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| 02:52.56 | jonwil | gaah work damnit |
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| 08:11.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 11:34.13 | ghane_ | good morning |
| 11:35.10 | jonwil | morning |
| 11:35.26 | jonwil | wishes there was some better documentation on the USB stuff on the z6 :( |
| 11:35.29 | jonwil | Its belcarra OTG |
| 11:36.31 | jonwil | Looks like the good stuff is in the userspace binaries such as usbd (which remain closed source :( ) |
| 11:37.12 | ghane_ | ok? |
| 11:37.26 | ghane_ | what stuff are you referring to? |
| 11:38.04 | jonwil | Its the stuff in drivers/otg in the kernel source |
| 11:38.07 | jonwil | Thats the driver part |
| 11:38.18 | jonwil | more specifically, the problem I have is this: |
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| 11:39.06 | jonwil | If I connect the z6 in modem mode to my windows machine and send it AT+MODE=8, it switches into usb networking mode and uses the motousbnet.sys driver. |
| 11:39.34 | jonwil | As part of the switch, code in usbd calls ifconfig usbl0 on the phone to set the IP address |
| 11:39.51 | jonwil | Now, on my linux machine, I can connect it |
| 11:39.54 | jonwil | and send it AT+MODE=8 |
| 11:40.04 | jonwil | and it switches into usbnet mode (and is visible as such with lsusb) |
| 11:40.16 | ghane_ | ah ya it doesnt set ipaddress when in linux |
| 11:40.18 | jonwil | but there is something missing since the phone doesnt run the ifconfig line |
| 11:40.46 | jonwil | I am trying to find out what the windows driver sends to the phone that the linux open source zaurus usbnet driver is not sending |
| 11:40.50 | ghane_ | but what if you check with usbtrace like you did for the flash? |
| 11:41.08 | jonwil | I can usbtrace the conversation |
| 11:41.11 | ghane_ | or its a mess |
| 11:41.21 | jonwil | I dont know enough usb to understand what the hell is going on |
| 11:41.27 | ghane_ | ah |
| 11:41.34 | ghane_ | well probably me niether |
| 11:41.36 | jonwil | and I havent found a usbtracer for linux that I can use to see just whats different |
| 11:42.13 | jonwil | woah, motorola has posted source for the PEBL U9 |
| 11:42.41 | ghane_ | ya i heard that |
| 11:42.41 | jonwil | This one is using, among other things, Webkit |
| 11:42.41 | ghane_ | oh |
| 11:42.41 | jonwil | Same rendering engine as the iPhone |
| 11:42.47 | ghane_ | ya i know |
| 11:43.03 | ghane_ | originally its the Konqueror's KHTML |
| 11:43.06 | jonwil | yes |
| 11:43.15 | ghane_ | its pretty funny |
| 11:43.16 | jonwil | Makes sense since then motorola has one less 3rd party program on there |
| 11:43.30 | ghane_ | i had an idea to separate the KTHML from KDE once many years a go |
| 11:43.49 | jonwil | Something else interesting for the u9 is this download mqtkit-R6632_G_81.11.29R_A.tgz |
| 11:44.15 | ghane_ | and then webkit/webcore came out |
| 11:44.23 | ghane_ | mqtkit sounds interesting |
| 11:44.51 | jonwil | This mqtkit seems to be a set of QT headers for the u9 |
| 11:45.10 | jonwil | With trolltech and then motorola copyrights |
| 11:45.35 | jonwil | I am SO going to see if these are of any use for us z6 and v8 hackers :P |
| 11:45.43 | ghane_ | probably the u9 was meant to support the SDK that they never released |
| 11:46.26 | jonwil | the U9 is an ugly phone IMO |
| 11:47.09 | ghane_ | indeed |
| 11:48.59 | jonwil | I genuinely believe that the development and technical people at motorola would like to see more stuff released (i.e. full native SDK) but the busniness and management people are worried about the risks (e.g. risks if someone uses it to go postal with the AT&T cell network) |
| 11:49.40 | ghane_ | management people sucks |
| 11:49.40 | jonwil | or the risks when someone creates something that the carriers dont like and the carriers stop carring the phones |
| 11:50.30 | ghane_ | i wished the global cellphone market was more like it is in sweden |
| 11:50.54 | jonwil | It looks likle they are using a complete konqurer embedded on the phone |
| 11:51.42 | ghane_ | lol, it does? |
| 11:52.14 | ghane_ | i havent looked too much on webkit, but it kinda makes sense, its all QT |
| 11:52.24 | ghane_ | or well webkit isnt QT, but konqueror is |
| 11:52.43 | ghane_ | downloading the full U9 sources now |
| 11:52.46 | jonwil | yeah |
| 11:53.40 | jonwil | They seem to be using fuse for something also |
| 11:54.26 | jonwil | As for mqtkit, my guess is that they released that to be complient with the konqurer and webkit licence (GPL/LGPL) |
| 11:58.04 | jonwil | hmmm ok, its not konquerer |
| 11:58.07 | jonwil | Its actually libkio |
| 11:58.10 | jonwil | whatever the hell that is |
| 11:58.22 | jonwil | So its obviously webkit + libkio + motorola front end |
| 11:58.38 | jonwil | what I wouldnt give for a CG36 from a u9 :P |
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| 12:04.32 | ghane_ | hehe |
| 12:04.35 | ghane_ | brb food |
| 12:26.39 | ghane_ | back |
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| 12:34.16 | jonwil | join #openmagx plz |
| 14:32.22 | jonwil | damnit, I want to download the windows driver kit so I can use it to help with reversing of motousbnet.sys but I cant download it |
| 14:32.24 | jonwil | gaah |
| 14:45.12 | ghane_ | why cant you download it? |
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| 14:54.09 | jonwil | mainly because its 2gb and uses some funky MS file downloader |
| 14:54.12 | jonwil | but I got something going now |
| 14:54.14 | jonwil | so its good |
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| 15:15.51 | ghane | gotta go now |
| 15:15.56 | ghane | be back on thuesday |
| 15:16.49 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:16.51 | jonwil | cya |
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| 22:00.48 | jonwil | hi |
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