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| 00:36.26 | jonwil | hi |
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| 04:09.28 | jonwil | anyone here? |
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| 07:14.39 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:34.47 | jonwil | hi |
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| 08:21.04 | ghane | jonwil: hows the z6? |
| 08:21.11 | jonwil | good |
| 08:21.19 | jonwil | Good as a phone that is |
| 08:21.33 | jonwil | The question of hacking I cant answer at this point |
| 08:21.35 | ghane | but not so hackable |
| 08:21.41 | ghane | I bought one two weeks ago |
| 08:22.42 | jonwil | right now my #1 wish is to find a way to read the entire AP filesystem (e.g. /bin, /lib etc) off the phone |
| 08:22.42 | ghane | dosesnt look too good, but it must be possible |
| 08:22.43 | ghane | hehe same here |
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| 08:22.43 | ghane | i tried to run shellscripts or linux binaries on it |
| 08:23.00 | ghane | it should be possible but it doesnt seem to be possible with the stock firmware |
| 08:24.02 | ghane | i wonder what firmware or hacks were used by the one that posted all the /proc information on the wiki |
| 08:24.39 | jonwil | I do know that you can download various "monster packs" from sites online (which appear to be firmwares leaked from motorola service departments and put together somehow) |
| 08:27.06 | jonwil | and that some of those "monster packs" have hacks that enable usbnet and telnet and things |
| 08:27.30 | jonwil | but it seems as though all codegroups except for 2 have signatures attached |
| 08:27.32 | jonwil | and cant be changed |
| 08:27.45 | jonwil | not like EZX where AP root filesystem codegroup can be changed easily |
| 08:29.46 | ghane | exactly |
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| 08:30.26 | ghane | but the question is if we can use the stock kernel (signed?) and try just modifying the boot parameters do use the sdcard as root? |
| 08:30.37 | ghane | or the sd card driver are just modules loaded later? |
| 08:31.43 | ghane | usbnet seems to work with stock firmware, but not really useful, since no telnet is enabled, and i dont even get an ip address on the phone |
| 08:31.48 | ghane | brb |
| 08:36.32 | jonwil | If someone made an open phone that had the form factor I like (either Z6 type shape or L6/L7/E8 type candybar) shape, I would probobly buy one and ditch closed phones for good |
| 08:36.58 | jonwil | but the FIC Neo (the most open phone) has touchscreen and no physical keypad |
| 08:37.00 | jonwil | which I dont like |
| 08:38.47 | jonwil | the good thing about the Z6 is that Moto seem to be fully GPL complient with the phone |
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| 08:47.14 | ghane | jonwil: exactly the reason why i bought the Z6, i had the hope that it might be possible to open it, and its a form factor that i could live with |
| 08:47.28 | ghane | will probably get a Neo anyway, but never going to use it as a phone |
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| 08:47.56 | jonwil | what AP software revision is on your Z6? |
| 08:47.59 | ghane | jonwil: what timezone are you in? (or GMT offset or whatever) |
| 08:48.15 | jonwil | Mine is R60_G_80.32.0FR |
| 08:48.18 | jonwil | I am in Perth |
| 08:48.23 | ghane | just a sec |
| 08:48.24 | ghane | perth? |
| 08:48.29 | jonwil | which is GMT+8 with 1 hour for daylight savings |
| 08:48.30 | jonwil | Australia |
| 08:48.41 | jonwil | so Daylight savings is in effect |
| 08:49.11 | ghane | oh ok |
| 08:49.22 | ghane | that sucks |
| 08:49.26 | ghane | i'm in gmt+1 |
| 08:49.38 | ghane | makes communication a bit harder |
| 08:49.44 | ghane | i have to leave in like 10 minutes |
| 08:50.09 | ghane | but at least now we are two trying to get into the z6 |
| 08:51.35 | jonwil | I think when it comes to Moto linux phones there are 2 camps. There is this group that wants to do open source type stuff with the phone and gain access through legal means |
| 08:52.07 | ghane | bootloader is a3.c9 |
| 08:52.35 | jonwil | mine is a3.c4 |
| 08:52.51 | ghane | i want to do open source stuff, but it seems impossible to do it fully "the right way" on this one |
| 08:53.12 | ghane | c9 is the one to be used with other firmwares i read somewhere |
| 08:53.16 | jonwil | the other camp seems to not care about it being linux or otherwise |
| 08:53.36 | jonwil | they are just doing the same "monsterpacks" and such as has been done with p2k phones like RAZR |
| 08:53.55 | ghane | it seems like that other modder camp have more success with the z6 than the oss/linux one |
| 08:54.21 | jonwil | so far the other camp seems to be about replacing firmware with other firmware (probobly illegally leaked from moto service) |
| 08:54.36 | ghane | R60_G_80.33.15R |
| 08:54.59 | jonwil | my bp SW version is r60_g_80.32.0fr |
| 08:55.07 | ghane | oh yes, do you know how is that? is there any update service for moto phones? |
| 08:55.16 | ghane | semc and nokia has that |
| 08:55.45 | ghane | by is r60_g_80.33.05r |
| 08:56.03 | jonwil | what carrier is yours with btw? |
| 08:56.14 | ghane | swedish one |
| 08:56.16 | ghane | Telia |
| 08:56.17 | jonwil | ok |
| 08:56.18 | jonwil | Mine is with Vodafone australia running a Crazy Johns flex |
| 08:56.27 | jonwil | i.e. its sold by Crazy Johns |
| 08:56.33 | jonwil | but Vodafone owns the towers and cells |
| 08:56.33 | ghane | also has Telenor which is sort of Vodaphone |
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| 08:56.43 | jonwil | and it says "vodafone AU" on the screen |
| 08:56.57 | ghane | i've bought my Z6 from germany |
| 08:57.11 | ghane | they are not sold in sweden |
| 08:58.09 | jonwil | btw, earlier I downloaded one of these so-called monsterpacks |
| 08:58.33 | jonwil | and I was taking brief look at contents of various CGs including root FS and "flex FS" (i.e. the one with default ringtones and all that stuff) |
| 08:58.50 | jonwil | but since its not same f/w as my own phone, its of no use to me whatsoever in hacking |
| 08:59.16 | jonwil | Do you know if there is a way to see if my phone is network locked or not? |
| 08:59.30 | ghane | no idea |
| 09:00.03 | jonwil | my old phone was Motorola L6 |
| 09:00.06 | ghane | i was actually also going to look at that monsterpacks, but i could not unpack them with the unsbf tool |
| 09:00.19 | ghane | i'm mostly using SEMC (SonyEricsson) |
| 09:00.20 | jonwil | I found tool called SBF-Recalc 1.2.8.rar which unpacks them |
| 09:00.25 | ghane | this is my first moto |
| 09:00.29 | ghane | ah that one |
| 09:00.48 | jonwil | then I use squashfs tool to unpack the squashfs compressed CGs |
| 09:01.06 | jonwil | I am a lifelong moto user |
| 09:01.10 | ghane | ah |
| 09:01.28 | jonwil | before I had L6, my first ever mobile phone was something called an E378i |
| 09:01.28 | ghane | i must say they feel kinda odd to use |
| 09:01.33 | ghane | menus are strange |
| 09:01.53 | ghane | not that consistant like the SEMC phones imo |
| 09:02.11 | ghane | How come i have to press Options to get the Cancel option on an edit screen? |
| 09:02.15 | jonwil | which was a piece of crap (mostly because it supported some japanese invented crap called i-Mode and not regular J2ME or www) |
| 09:03.35 | jonwil | I see a lot of noise from phone carriers that allowing an "open" phone (i.e. one with full development being possible) will harm their network |
| 09:03.42 | jonwil | Personally I think thats garbage |
| 09:03.57 | jonwil | As long as all sensitive GSM/GPRS/etc bits are on BP side |
| 09:03.59 | ghane | lol imode ya |
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| 09:04.08 | jonwil | and BP side is restricted from modification |
| 09:04.21 | jonwil | then you shouldnt be able to break the network with open phone |
| 09:04.28 | ghane | so you dont have symbian and windows mobile phones there? |
| 09:04.37 | jonwil | yes we do have symbian and windows mobile |
| 09:04.49 | ghane | or what "open" phones do you mean? |
| 09:05.22 | jonwil | even symbian and wm phones have limits |
| 09:05.28 | ghane | ya true |
| 09:05.29 | jonwil | and are often restricted as to what you can do |
| 09:05.42 | ghane | i know that |
| 09:05.48 | ghane | symbian have all this signing stuff |
| 09:05.56 | ghane | but even then you cant do everything |
| 09:06.14 | jonwil | I can tell you right now that if it was legally and technically possible, AT&T would have banned the FIC Neo from their network by now |
| 09:06.20 | jonwil | as would a number of other carriers |
| 09:06.31 | ghane | oh |
| 09:07.58 | ghane | well i have to run now |
| 09:08.14 | ghane | let me know if you make any progress with the z6 |
| 09:09.24 | ghane | later |
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| 10:18.29 | LuitvD | mornin' |
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| 10:30.53 | jonwil | z`zhi |
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| 11:26.28 | goxboxlive | ellisway: |
| 11:26.44 | goxboxlive | hi what do you mean test? In openezx or in the standard one? |
| 11:27.53 | goxboxlive | ellisway: you have to get outside, the antenna isent very good on A780 |
| 11:34.28 | ellisway | it was outside |
| 11:35.01 | ellisway | i left it in the car on the car charger over night |
| 11:35.05 | ellisway | still no fix |
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| 13:34.25 | drWyrM | ao2: ping |
| 13:39.43 | LuitvD | hi drWyrM |
| 13:40.47 | drWyrM | hi LuitvD :) |
| 13:40.57 | ao2 | hi drWyrM |
| 13:41.07 | drWyrM | ao2: Hi! |
| 13:41.20 | LuitvD | hi ao2 |
| 13:41.28 | ao2 | hi LuitvD |
| 13:41.59 | drWyrM | ao2: have you tried both, pcap voltage regulators that are already known to power up the MMC? |
| 13:42.26 | ao2 | I'm compiling a kernel with PCAP_MCI_TF and one with PCAP_MCI_SD, and let you know the messages on the console |
| 13:42.48 | LuitvD | drWyrM: gonna try building a new .24 kernel, anything I need to look for in the booting process? |
| 13:43.00 | drWyrM | ao2: good, enable the mmc driver debug messages. |
| 13:43.05 | LuitvD | drWyrM: and is there a patch for 18bpp available? |
| 13:45.54 | drWyrM | LuitvD: only for older kernels, and they are quite broken. |
| 13:46.19 | drWyrM | LuitvD: IIRC someone was trying to push bpp>16 to mainline. |
| 13:46.44 | ao2 | LuitvD, for 18bpp there is a patch in OE, it is for another device org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/gumstix-kernel-2.6.21/pxafb-18bpp-mode.patch |
| 13:50.21 | LuitvD | hmm, I'll see if I can prepare that for .24 |
| 13:50.34 | LuitvD | or is that a waste of time? |
| 13:51.30 | drWyrM | LuitvD: see the "pxafb 18bpp support" thread on arm-linux ML. |
| 13:52.12 | drWyrM | LuitvD: i think that someone will push the 18bpp support to mainline soon. |
| 13:54.53 | LuitvD | can't find the arm.linux.org.uk ML |
| 13:55.03 | LuitvD | :S |
| 13:55.22 | ao2 | http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernel |
| 13:55.34 | LuitvD | thanks |
| 13:56.49 | LuitvD | hm, there's a patch for .24.r7 too... |
| 13:57.04 | LuitvD | .24 final must be possible too then, right? |
| 14:00.42 | LuitvD | hhm, already there :P |
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| 14:18.15 | ao2 | first the messages with MMC_DEBUG turned off: I get this one with both PCAP_MCI_TF and PCAP_MCI_SD |
| 14:18.18 | ao2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.39 | ao2 | now booting with debug turned on |
| 14:22.42 | ao2 | mmh, how dumb am I? I need to setup nfsroot to be able to capture the exact messages. So please another little bit of patience :) |
| 14:33.06 | drWyrM | ao2: its a good idea to disable CONFIG_SDIO_UART, and focus on MMC only. |
| 14:33.19 | ao2 | ok, will do |
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| 16:29.52 | ao2 | ok, nfsroot is almost working now. Forgetting about OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1" in /etc/default/portmapper was driving me crazy :) |
| 16:50.24 | ao2 | good, audio also produces some buzzy, but still recognizable, sound |
| 16:50.26 | ao2 | anyway |
| 16:50.57 | ao2 | with PCAP_MCI_TF and MMC_DEBUG I get these messages (dmesg | grep mmc): |
| 16:51.18 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 0Hz busmode 1 powermode 0 cs 0 Vdd 0 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.18 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 0Hz busmode 1 powermode 1 cs 0 Vdd 23 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.18 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 304688Hz busmode 1 powermode 2 cs 0 Vdd 23 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.18 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 304688Hz busmode 1 powermode 2 cs 1 Vdd 23 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.19 | ao2 | mmc0: starting CMD0 arg 00000000 flags 000000c0 |
| 16:51.19 | ao2 | mmc0: req done (CMD0): 0: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 |
| 16:51.21 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 304688Hz busmode 1 powermode 2 cs 0 Vdd 23 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.23 | ao2 | mmc0: starting CMD8 arg 000001aa flags 000002f5 |
| 16:51.25 | ao2 | mmc0: req done (CMD8): -110: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 |
| 16:51.27 | ao2 | mmc0: starting CMD5 arg 00000000 flags 000002e1 |
| 16:51.29 | ao2 | mmc0: req done (CMD5): 0: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 |
| 16:51.31 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 0Hz busmode 1 powermode 0 cs 0 Vdd 0 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:51.33 | ao2 | mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SDIO card |
| 16:51.35 | ao2 | mmc0: clock 0Hz busmode 1 powermode 0 cs 0 Vdd 0 width 0 timing 0 |
| 16:56.43 | ao2 | ok, also PXAMCI messages can be useful |
| 17:06.49 | ao2 | drWyrM, I get the same messages with any setting: http://rafb.net/p/71v4TL90.nln.html |
| 17:08.04 | ao2 | here's the whole dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/Y0zumL88.nln.html |
| 17:24.48 | ao2 | now trying without PCAP_CS_AH |
| 17:27.12 | drWyrM | CS_AH is not related. |
| 17:27.43 | drWyrM | if you got some kind of sound, then the CS_AH configuration is surely ok. |
| 17:28.58 | drWyrM | looks like you never got a reply from any mmc commands sent. |
| 17:29.30 | drWyrM | looks like gpio configuration or power issue. |
| 17:46.33 | drWyrM | ao2, try to configure PCAP to power ON the wlan chip. |
| 17:49.09 | ao2 | ok |
| 17:49.10 | drWyrM | vreg2 bit 1 and AUXVREG bit 1, see drivers/power_ic/module/peripheral.c. |
| 17:49.37 | ao2 | anyway without CS_AH, I get mmc0: new SDIO card at address 0001 |
| 17:49.51 | drWyrM | hum... |
| 17:50.13 | ao2 | still ahve't tried with debug on |
| 17:50.14 | drWyrM | sound still works? |
| 17:50.49 | ao2 | mmh, I didn't noticed if sound works |
| 17:50.58 | drWyrM | better, cat /proc/pcap and pastebin :) |
| 17:52.09 | ao2 | ok. I'll be back later, I have to do some homework now, sorry. |
| 17:52.21 | drWyrM | ao2, ok :) Bye. |
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| 22:46.03 | ao2 | <6>libertas: eth0: Marvell WLAN 802.11 adapter |
| 22:46.11 | ao2 | but still no MMC card :) |
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| 22:54.52 | jonwil | hi |
| 23:08.54 | ao2 | bye, see you tomorrow |
| 23:42.06 | drWyrM | Nice, the wlan chip was successfully probed.. That was fast :) |