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| 04:41.38 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2104 /trunk/src/host/boot_usb/boot_usb.c: |
| 04:41.38 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: add support for setting machine_id from boot_usb cmdline |
| 04:41.38 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: usage: boot_usb <kernel> [machid] [cmdline] [initrd] |
| 04:48.06 | nooop | 还有人更新？ |
| 04:48.24 | nooop | sorry, still update? |
| 04:48.27 | drWyrM | English please. |
| 04:48.30 | drWyrM | :) |
| 04:48.35 | nooop | forget, :P |
| 04:49.19 | nooop | drWyrM, you guys are still updating? |
| 04:50.44 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2105 /branches/kernel-2.6.24.x-patches/ezx-core.patch: |
| 04:50.44 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * remove machine_id hacks. |
| 04:50.45 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * You need boot_usb r2104 or newer to boot! |
| 04:50.45 | CIA-23 | OpenEZX: * Dont flash this kernel on a blob2 phone yet! |
| 04:50.47 | drWyrM | nooop: slowly, but development still going on. |
| 04:51.43 | nooop | drWyrM, the motorola is going to sell this part. |
| 04:52.02 | nooop | but I still hope this will go on.:D |
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| 07:23.59 | Fry-kun | hello anyone/everyone |
| 07:30.52 | Fry-kun | o/` la la la... o/` |
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| 07:45.29 | Fry-kun | so, i take it mmc isn't working in .24 |
| 07:45.34 | Fry-kun | but seems to in .21 |
| 07:45.43 | Fry-kun | why is that? |
| 07:46.10 | Fry-kun | (this is on a1200) |
| 07:46.21 | Fry-kun | or, should i say, what should I do to fix it? |
| 07:55.11 | Fry-kun | getting "unrecognised SCR structure version 1" |
| 07:56.03 | AndiM | Fry-kun: dump the whole struct at that place and mention the values at the relevant existing LKML thread, thanks! |
| 07:57.25 | Fry-kun | is there a proper way of dumping it? |
| 07:57.46 | AndiM | I skipped the unrecognised SCR struct bailout and it ""worked"" for me then, but I suspect some issue in pxamci host-specific driver. OTOH some TI SD controllers have the same issue, thus either their host driver is also buggy or it's a problem in common SCR reading code. |
| 07:58.03 | AndiM | yes: add the required log lines ;) |
| 07:58.35 | AndiM | I've been researching this stuff during the whole evening yesterday... |
| 07:59.07 | AndiM | (takes a lot of time getting familiar with SD stack and chipset-specific operational theory) |
| 07:59.24 | Fry-kun | ugh |
| 07:59.44 | AndiM | But it's very refreshing to see that there seem to be several other people who experience it. |
| 08:00.06 | Fry-kun | isn't there something i can just start hacking on? |
| 08:01.17 | AndiM | you mean something else? |
| 08:02.39 | Fry-kun | yes |
| 08:03.04 | Fry-kun | i mean, |
| 08:03.38 | Fry-kun | i don't have too many hours to spend, but i'd like to do something |
| 08:03.55 | AndiM | Fry-kun: same thing, same thing :) |
| 08:04.05 | AndiM | let me think a bit... |
| 08:04.05 | Fry-kun | if it takes very long getting familiar with SD stack/etc, then i'd rather work on something else |
| 08:04.27 | AndiM | Fry-kun: let me work on this, I intend to get this stupid problem nailed soon. |
| 08:05.06 | AndiM | Fry-kun: the problem is that the SCR struct is shifted (swapped?) by one 32bit value for some reason. |
| 08:05.20 | Fry-kun | unrelated question: if I made a change in that file (sd.c) and run "make -f patches/Makefile.OpenEZX" -- isn't it supposed to catch that the file was changed and recompile the image? |
| 08:05.34 | Fry-kun | ..because it just says nothing to be done :( |
| 08:05.43 | AndiM | Fry-kun: same question here... I simply kill all relevant .o and rebuild. |
| 08:06.00 | AndiM | but yeah, dependencies "should" just work... in theory. |
| 08:06.00 | Fry-kun | oh okay |
| 08:07.21 | AndiM | do you want to do userspace stuff or kernel? |
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| 08:08.58 | Fry-kun | what do you mean by userspace? |
| 08:09.06 | Fry-kun | openmoko stuff? |
| 08:09.08 | AndiM | LuitvD: do we have something useful to do for Fry-kun? ;) |
| 08:09.15 | AndiM | Fry-kun: yup, app stuff or so. |
| 08:09.26 | LuitvD | good mornin' |
| 08:09.28 | Fry-kun | they both sound like fun, heh :) |
| 08:09.36 | Fry-kun | hi LuitvD |
| 08:09.44 | Fry-kun | i don't know either |
| 08:10.01 | AndiM | Fry-kun: I intend to try to integrate compcache userspace support in default openmoko environment. openmoko is soooo slow with 48MB... |
| 08:10.02 | Fry-kun | but considering i already have the environment all ready for kernel, I'll try that first |
| 08:10.42 | AndiM | Fry-kun: suspend/resume is said to work not reliably enough (interrupt handler issues or so), maybe try to improve stuff there? |
| 08:12.19 | Fry-kun | mm, okay.. |
| 08:12.29 | Fry-kun | how do i get started? |
| 08:12.49 | AndiM | or maybe that's not the best thing to do initially ;) |
| 08:13.08 | Fry-kun | heh |
| 08:13.43 | AndiM | Fry-kun: I noticed that with GSM card inserted my phone shuts down rather immediately, probably gsmd issue. |
| 08:14.25 | AndiM | maybe it would be useful to check whether it also happens for you and then try to figure out why it does this (maybe don't start gsmd and then run it manually to analyse what happens) |
| 08:14.55 | Fry-kun | GSM card == SIM card? |
| 08:14.58 | AndiM | (this is on Angstrom openmoko image) |
| 08:15.07 | AndiM | uh, yeah, forgot that term ;) |
| 08:15.39 | Fry-kun | oh, i see - openmoko.. i didn't get that far |
| 08:15.46 | Fry-kun | sure, i can try that |
| 08:17.24 | Fry-kun | how do I get openmoko running? |
| 08:18.21 | AndiM | simple, boot a normal kernel via usb, and extract a rootfs on second ext2/3 SD card partition |
| 08:18.49 | AndiM | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ or so |
| 08:19.27 | Fry-kun | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/a1200/RC1/ is empty... |
| 08:19.32 | AndiM | and... uh... well, that kernel actually shouldn't be "normal" since it should kill the SCR structure bailout. |
| 08:19.42 | Fry-kun | haha |
| 08:19.55 | Fry-kun | well, .21 doesn't complain about the SCR |
| 08:19.59 | Fry-kun | does that help? |
| 08:20.20 | AndiM | true. you could use .21, but it's probably better to use .24 to be current. |
| 08:20.27 | Fry-kun | mmmkay |
| 08:32.36 | Fry-kun | i guess we'll continue around this time tomorrow ;) |
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| 12:32.47 | SuN | Nice! |
| 12:35.04 | jonwil | Cant do too much to it since its my main phone |
| 12:35.11 | jonwil | but I will definatly want to do some form of hacks to it :P |
| 12:35.19 | SuN | Still, it looks like a very decent phone. |
| 12:35.24 | jonwil | yeah, it does |
| 12:35.34 | jonwil | better than my current L6 which is starting to show its age |
| 12:35.49 | SuN | I'm too used to my E6 to replace it, but I've seriously considered getting a Z6. |
| 12:36.04 | jonwil | Just as long as the Z6 doesnt have that !@#%$#@#$ bug where the battery meter doesnt always show the real amount of juice in the battery |
| 12:36.23 | SuN | I guess the E6's battery meter is pretty inaccurate, but I charge it daily anyway. |
| 12:38.39 | jonwil | the Z6 isnt perfect (I would rather a candybar) but hey, no-one makes a linux candybar |
| 12:38.52 | SuN | E28 :) |
| 12:39.18 | SuN | I wouldn't know where to buy one other than in a CHinese street though. |
| 12:39.22 | jonwil | yeah |
| 12:39.25 | jonwil | thats my point |
| 12:39.51 | jonwil | the Z6 I am getting is 100% free since I am signing on to a contract for 12 months |
| 12:40.11 | SuN | There's a great contradiction in that sentence :D |
| 12:40.20 | jonwil | true |
| 12:40.38 | jonwil | but I dont pay any money for the phone, just the plan |
| 12:40.47 | SuN | But if you make enough calls, I guess it's relatively affordable. |
| 12:41.19 | SuN | I consider a 12-month contract and a free phone paying for the phone in 12 terms. |
| 12:41.31 | jonwil | well I pay $49AUD per month |
| 12:41.45 | jonwil | and for that I get about $300AUD worth of calls etc |
| 12:42.06 | jonwil | which I can use for just about anything |
| 12:42.18 | jonwil | except international calls, premium rate numbers and such |
| 12:42.21 | jonwil | i.e. stuff I dont use anyway |
| 12:42.26 | SuN | Yeah |
| 12:42.59 | jonwil | and Vodafone have good coverage so its all good |
| 12:43.34 | SuN | Well I pay about AUD15 for 200 minutes and an additional 15 for my internet plan, but I'm not exactly a frequent caller. |
| 12:43.49 | jonwil | with which carrier? |
| 12:43.59 | SuN | KPN (Dutch) |
| 12:44.03 | jonwil | ok |
| 12:44.06 | SuN | I converted the values :) |
| 12:44.28 | jonwil | :) |
| 12:44.35 | SuN | They have the best network available in NL |
| 12:46.21 | SuN | I'll be in CHina in April, I'm strongly considering bringing back an E28 phone if I can find one. |
| 12:47.38 | jonwil | Is it just that the right people dont own the new phones? :P |
| 12:47.52 | SuN | Seems to be the case. |
| 12:48.18 | SuN | The A780 and E680 are more open as well. |
| 12:48.28 | SuN | Easier to hack. |
| 12:48.32 | jonwil | hmmm yeah |
| 12:48.50 | jonwil | probobly why they didnt see a release from any western (US, europe etc) carriers |
| 12:48.55 | jonwil | whereas the newer ones are more locked down |
| 12:49.02 | jonwil | and easier to convince carriers to accept |
| 12:49.23 | SuN | They tried to market the A780 here, but it wasn't accepted very well. |
| 12:49.50 | SuN | I guess it was too unconventional. |
| 12:49.52 | jonwil | if Moto would produce a UMTS 3G linux candybar or slide phone, I would SO buy one :P |
| 12:50.04 | SuN | Same goes for E6/Ming, I guess. |
| 12:50.25 | SuN | Which is a shame because both are very powerful phones. |
| 12:50.25 | jonwil | but it seems like Moto dont have EZX (or whatever they call it) ported to whatever 3G chipset they are using |
| 12:50.48 | SuN | Yeah, I don't think there's any 3G chip that supports Linux at the moment. |
| 12:51.43 | jonwil | although 3G is only good if you actually need the speed |
| 12:52.18 | SuN | My plan is limited to 128kbit, but I can imagine the latency on 3G would be a lot less. |
| 12:52.28 | SuN | It's pretty bad with GPRS. |
| 12:53.01 | jonwil | well I only want mobile internet so I can look stuff up when I am not at home |
| 12:53.14 | SuN | I use it to kill time when in public transport. |
| 12:53.29 | SuN | Mainly browsing slashdot :) |
| 12:55.05 | SuN | They haven't for E6, I know that. |
| 12:55.13 | jonwil | whats missing for E6? |
| 12:55.17 | SuN | Kernel source |
| 12:55.44 | jonwil | have you asked moto for kernel source for E6? |
| 12:55.44 | SuN | They've been making empty promises on their open source board for... well, years, basically. |
| 12:55.53 | SuN | People have. |
| 12:56.01 | jonwil | ok |
| 12:56.25 | SuN | I guess since it's basically EOL they're not going to bother unless someone takes it to court. |
| 12:56.46 | SuN | Well, in Motorola's case, because they're getting away with it. |
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| 13:17.41 | jonwil | I think in the general case though part of the problem is all the tangled mess of IP that often surrounds things. |
| 13:19.34 | jonwil | I have worked in companies and seen how hard it can be to deal with "IP" |
| 13:19.47 | jonwil | especially if its not 100% owned by the company making the device being sold |
| 13:20.45 | jonwil | I have also found that being as specific as possible when it comes to what you are asking for does help |
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