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| 08:07.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:09.34 | ao2 | Hi Hopscotch |
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| 09:50.26 | ao2 | linux-2.6.24 has been released |
| 09:52.05 | LuitvD | i noticed :) |
| 10:13.11 | ao2 | there are some changes in pxafb, let's see if they are useful to us |
| 10:16.19 | LuitvD | :) |
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| 12:55.11 | flyhorse|linux | i want to know how to build a crosscompile tools using the newest gcc and so on |
| 12:55.28 | flyhorse|linux | who has a build script ? |
| 12:56.31 | Gottox | flyhorse|linux: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ something like this? |
| 12:57.22 | Gottox | or use kamikaze |
| 13:00.09 | florian | or crosstool :-/ |
| 13:00.37 | florian | or get a ready made tooolchain, e.g. Angstrom should have one for some devices |
| 13:12.11 | flyhorse|linux | en ... |
| 13:12.27 | flyhorse|linux | crosstool can't use the last gcc ? |
| 13:13.34 | flyhorse|linux | i want to use the newest gcc & glibc .. |
| 13:14.18 | florian | flyhorse|linux: that might be possible... the most up to date tool you can use to build a toolchain is OpenEmbedded. |
| 13:14.32 | flyhorse|linux | o ... |
| 13:14.46 | florian | flyhorse|linux: Its not trivial to get running, but once it works it can do a lot more |
| 13:14.50 | florian | brb, food |
| 13:15.35 | flyhorse|linux | o .. thx i will try now |
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| 15:29.10 | LuitvD | oeh, SDIO support would be fun :D |
| 15:29.24 | LuitvD | would make my phone WiFi-enabled :D |
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| 16:30.26 | WyrM | Hi. |
| 16:49.41 | ao2 | hi WyrM, welcome back |
| 16:50.20 | WyrM | ao2: hi. Thanks :) |
| 16:51.01 | WyrM | ao2: im doing some work on ezx-bp, to get gpio configuration from phone.c, and moving the platform_device to phone.c |
| 16:51.22 | WyrM | what else was conflicting with a910? |
| 16:51.31 | WyrM | s/was/is/ |
| 16:53.14 | ao2 | Yes I have to admit I am egoistically happy to see you here again :) |
| 16:54.35 | ao2 | there are some GPIOs dfined for Wlan power mode, I do not know where to put them, but anyway it is still too early to think to wlan, mci, usbnet and stuff comes first |
| 16:54.56 | ao2 | s/comes/come |
| 16:55.39 | ao2 | ok, so I put on hold the trasition to 2.6.24 |
| 16:56.58 | ao2 | as long as it is well paid I guess that being overloaded is ok |
| 16:56.58 | WyrM | ao2: (.24) Please, no, the changes i will do now will not conflict with your work for .24 |
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| 16:57.35 | WyrM | ao2: not as much i want, but its fine for living in Brasil :) |
| 16:58.03 | ao2 | well, actually I think it is just a metter of reshuffling things and fix some include, the first round of blind apply'n'compile went pretty well |
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| 17:30.28 | ao2 | ah WyrM, Harald suggested us to not put timestamps on the diffs, you can simply append the following line to your .quiltrc to follow this |
| 17:30.31 | ao2 | QUILT_NO_DIFF_TIMESTAMPS="true" |
| 17:31.40 | ao2 | this way we should get less noise in commits |
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| 17:32.27 | WyrM | ao2: thanks, i had forgot that :) |
| 17:43.45 | WyrM | damn, my 3 batteries are discharged. |
| 17:45.27 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2088 /branches/kernel-2.6.23.x-patches/ (19 files): |
| 17:45.27 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: * change my email |
| 17:45.27 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: * remove comments directed to Alex Zhang |
| 17:45.27 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: * remove __init from *_pcap_init |
| 17:46.17 | WyrM | lagged bot :) |
| 17:50.19 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: wyrm * r2090 /branches/kernel-2.6.23.x-patches/ezx-bp.patch: |
| 17:50.19 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: * change bp driver to get all gpio configuration via platform_device (untested until my |
| 17:50.19 | CIA-37 | OpenEZX: batteries charge) |
| 17:51.01 | WyrM | CIA-37: you skipped r2089 ;) |
| 17:51.26 | LuitvD | lol |
| 17:51.42 | LuitvD | hi WyrM |
| 17:51.47 | WyrM | LuitvD: Hi! :) |
| 17:51.52 | LuitvD | nice to see you here again :) |
| 17:52.16 | LuitvD | how's your a1200? |
| 17:52.44 | stefan_schmidt | wb WyrM |
| 17:52.45 | WyrM | LuitvD: just cleaned it. 2mm of dust over it ;) |
| 17:52.54 | WyrM | Hi stefan_schmidt :) |
| 17:53.08 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: Will you make it to bossa? |
| 17:53.15 | LuitvD | both batteries + a desktop charger + shipping: 15 euro's :) |
| 17:53.27 | LuitvD | original motorola batteries :D |
| 17:53.29 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: alphaone, mickeyl and me will be also there. If not we could perhaps meet afterwards |
| 17:53.35 | WyrM | stefan_schmidt: Yes. Got approval from my boss. |
| 17:53.50 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: alphaone and me will stay some days longer to see a bit more of your nice country |
| 17:53.59 | stefan_schmidt | WyrM: great, looking forward to. |
| 17:54.34 | WyrM | stefan_schmidt: bye! Looking forward to meet you on bossa :) |
| 17:55.31 | LuitvD | bossa? |
| 17:56.05 | WyrM | LuitvD: indt conference in march. |
| 17:56.17 | WyrM | let me find the url. |
| 17:56.18 | LuitvD | indt? :P |
| 17:56.23 | LuitvD | lol |
| 17:56.31 | WyrM | instituto nokia de tecnologia. |
| 17:56.44 | WyrM | R&D of nokia here in Brasil. |
| 17:57.02 | LuitvD | found something... |
| 17:57.49 | WyrM | http://www.bossaconference.indt.org/ |
| 17:59.06 | LuitvD | why do all fun things have to be so far away :( |
| 18:00.09 | WyrM | LuitvD: err, most conferences happen near YOU, and far from ME :) |
| 18:00.37 | LuitvD | luckily for you this great conference is near YOU |
| 18:00.44 | WyrM | ;) |
| 18:00.55 | LuitvD | bossa is quite a specific one... |
| 18:01.30 | LuitvD | IMHO FOSdem is too wide... |
| 18:01.39 | LuitvD | I'll try to be there though :) |
| 18:03.13 | goxboxlive | hi WyrM |
| 18:03.28 | WyrM | goxboxlive: Hi! :) |
| 18:04.17 | goxboxlive | There hasent been any development lately on the A780 AFAICS |
| 18:07.47 | WyrM | goxboxlive: Yes, i am quite overloaded with paid work lately.. |
| 18:11.24 | goxboxlive | WyrM: ok |
| 18:12.57 | LuitvD | I hope .24 gets us closer to a working 18bpp display |
| 18:14.12 | WyrM | LuitvD: are there changes to fbcon to support 18bpp on .24? |
| 18:14.45 | WyrM | fb changes are pretty easy, and the patch you sent me some time ago looks correct. |
| 18:14.54 | LuitvD | WyrM: it seems there are pxafb changes... |
| 18:15.25 | ao2 | LuitvD, I managed to get white text using 32bpp and some patches, but since A910 still doesn't boot from MMC i don't know if it is correct for X too |
| 18:16.04 | WyrM | ao2: what is wrong with the mmc on a910? |
| 18:16.10 | WyrM | doesnt get recognized? |
| 18:16.35 | LuitvD | ao2: 32bpp? is that 18bpp unpacked? |
| 18:16.35 | ao2 | still don't know, I'll investigate more accurately after 2.6.24 port |
| 18:17.41 | LuitvD | mmc did work on my E6, so I could try some things |
| 18:18.10 | ao2 | 16 or 32bpp is what fbcon expects, I guess the .bpp setting have nothing (or very little) to do with the (18bpp) hardware interface |
| 18:19.44 | ao2 | maybe the latter have to be selected using LCCR3? |
| 18:20.10 | WyrM | once pcap works mmc is very easy :) the .flags on the pcap platform_data usually can do all the needed magic. |
| 18:20.30 | WyrM | i have no idea about all the fb code :) I never really touched it. |
| 18:20.52 | ao2 | ok, I'll keep in mind the .flags field |
| 18:20.56 | LuitvD | ao2: yeah, but I guess 18bpp packed was 24, and 18bpp unpacked was 32 bit in configurations |
| 18:22.04 | ao2 | anyway WyrM, only recently I got what you meant with "removing ezx.h", all the bits should be scattered in the respective subsystem/driver |
| 18:24.57 | LuitvD | hmm, I hope I can help this project soon :P |
| 18:25.15 | LuitvD | I need more Linux knowledge |
| 18:25.17 | ao2 | We hope so :P |
| 18:26.45 | LuitvD | I seem to have programming skills :P got an 9.2 for C-programming |
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| 18:28.31 | LuitvD | and this is only the first semester of electronic engineering & design :) |
| 18:29.18 | LuitvD | there's much more to come (ARM7 assembly coding, RTOS, etc.) |
| 18:37.25 | WyrM | ao2: yes, and configured on the machine configuration file. This will allow us to have a single kernel that runs on all phones. |
| 18:38.38 | WyrM | a good example is the .flags for PCAP. On motorola 2.4 it uses #ifdefs to change PCAP behaviour, you need to recompile if you want to change it. Our version allows runtime switching. :) |
| 18:40.55 | WyrM | we still need a bootloader that correctly passes the machine id to accomplish this, i am already working on it |
| 18:54.58 | ao2 | u-boot2 ? |
| 18:55.57 | LuitvD | you-boot |
| 19:03.42 | WyrM | ao2: i tried u-boot already, still a lot of work to make it run as 2nd stage bootloader :( |
| 19:05.51 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:05.57 | mickeyl | i wish Laf0rge would spend a bit time |
| 19:06.17 | mickeyl | i need to pester him next time i see him |
| 19:07.13 | LuitvD | it's a shame knowledge and spare time don't come together here :P |
| 19:07.32 | LuitvD | I've got the spare time, but not enaught knowledge :P |
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| 19:07.59 | LuitvD | s/enaught/enough/ |
| 19:08.18 | LuitvD | (why did I type enaught :P my english is fading) |
| 19:18.17 | WyrM | i am going to Ubatuba (3 days on the beach), be back next week :) |
| 19:18.27 | LuitvD | lucky basterd |
| 19:18.40 | LuitvD | the weather here sucks badly |
| 19:18.57 | WyrM | Even developers need to have some fun from time to time. |
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| 20:26.40 | univac | LuitvD: where sucks? ;p |
| 20:28.01 | LuitvD | the netherlands |
| 20:28.15 | LuitvD | last few days were bad |
| 20:28.26 | LuitvD | today was a little better though... |
| 20:30.46 | univac | netherlands - mmmmm, weed |
| 20:30.47 | univac | hehe. |
| 20:31.00 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:31.13 | LuitvD | where are you from? 'merica? |
| 20:31.20 | univac | Poland |
| 20:31.36 | LuitvD | ah, didn't know Poland had that view on the Netherlands :P |
| 20:31.53 | univac | weed, mushrooms and red streets in amsterdam |
| 20:31.57 | univac | :> |
| 20:32.22 | LuitvD | true, but that's just amsterdam, and only a small part of amsterdam |
| 20:32.36 | univac | yup |
| 20:34.58 | LuitvD | for me alcohol is sufficient :P |
| 20:35.39 | LuitvD | cafeïne, nicotine, THC, don't need all that |
| 20:44.41 | univac | i prefer only alco, mj and lsd |
| 20:44.44 | univac | only ;) |
| 20:45.19 | LuitvD | mj? :S |
| 20:45.42 | univac | why you don't like? |
| 20:45.53 | LuitvD | I don't know what you mean... |
| 20:45.59 | ao2 | I only get camomile... |
| 20:46.48 | univac | mj - thc |
| 20:46.48 | LuitvD | ao2: hmm, warm fruity tea |
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| 22:52.55 | samuel | I'm trying to get an A780 to see the internet from my Ubuntu Desktop. It's set up so that the phone (at 192.168.0.202) can ping the computer at 192.168.0.201, but it cannot ping google. I have run iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE and echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:53.23 | samuel | (as root) |
| 22:53.52 | samuel | Can anyone shed some more light on what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 22:59.10 | ao2 | samuel, missing dns? |
| 22:59.50 | samuel | ohh, yes, sounds sensible. |
| 23:00.16 | samuel | wait - I just tried to ping the DNS Server that the computer uses, but it didn't work. |
| 23:00.32 | samuel | (ie ping it from the phone, it pings fine from the desktop) |
| 23:03.46 | ds2 | how usable is the current 2.6 code on the A780 with respect to battery life (power management)? |
| 23:04.35 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Not at all |
| 23:04.43 | stefan_schmidt | :/ |
| 23:05.38 | ao2 | samuel, follow this guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking it is pretty clear |
| 23:06.34 | samuel | ao2: Thanks :) |
| 23:07.28 | LuitvD | power management? what's that? how does it taste? |
| 23:08.30 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: For now we don't even have all the hw support ready, not talking about stable. Sad but true. |
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| 23:22.18 | stefan_schmidt | Hi agd5f |
| 23:22.24 | agd5f | stefan_schmidt: hey! |
| 23:22.33 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Long not seen. How is it going? |
| 23:22.41 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Let me guess. Busy. |
| 23:22.59 | agd5f | heh, yeah :) how have things with you been? |
| 23:24.42 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Busy with OpenMoko work. Not enough time/energy to hack on OpenEZX next to it. |
| 23:24.59 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Still some progress here. Not as fast as we like though. |
| 23:25.12 | agd5f | yeah. I'm in teh same boat at AMD |
| 23:25.32 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Work from home, or in an AMD ofice? |
| 23:25.34 | stefan_schmidt | office |
| 23:26.58 | agd5f | home :) |
| 23:27.39 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Same here. I like it. But sometimes it leads to slacking. :) |
| 23:27.47 | agd5f | heh |
| 23:29.21 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: You like how this raedon AMD stuff works out? I mean FOSS style working and big company style working don't match pretty well from my experience. :) |
| 23:30.03 | agd5f | it's been an interesting experience so far |
| 23:30.21 | agd5f | generally most of the company is supportive of open source however |
| 23:33.12 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: Good to hear. I have a lot hope in this. FOSS graphics driver are one of the last big problems we have. |
| 23:34.12 | agd5f | yup |
| 23:34.46 | ds2 | okay, that is not good to hear |
| 23:35.13 | ds2 | the openezx site would have one to believe the A780 is working great :( |
| 23:36.49 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: hmm, from what site exactly you read this statement? |
| 23:39.11 | ds2 | stefan: the status chart in the wiki I think |
| 23:39.42 | ds2 | but that's allfine. I'll do what I want on it with the stock 2.4 kernel and just work around the factory stuff |
| 23:41.04 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: hmm, what do you think we can improve to make this more clear? It's mostly about single hw features status tracking. Having complete stable hw support with good PM is still hard work |
| 23:41.22 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: (2.4) Sad but reasonable |
| 23:41.36 | ds2 | you could put PM as a seperate item |
| 23:41.57 | ds2 | it would nice to know that using the code can drain the batteries in minutes ;) |
| 23:42.23 | ds2 | (i know that's an exaggeration but...) |
| 23:42.57 | ds2 | all I want to start with is to add PAN bluetooth support |
| 23:43.01 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: hmm, that could be a good addition. Let me think about it |
| 23:43.26 | ds2 | so 2.4 or 2.6 would work for me; 2.6 would allow me to manage the kernel with all the other little project kernels I have with git |
| 23:45.46 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: You could spend some month to get the basics done, before starting with BT PAN. Would allow you to use 2.6 (with git) ;) |
| 23:46.26 | ds2 | stefan_schmidt:that's fine.. but if the battery at the end lasts less then 30minutes... that seems to be a waste |
| 23:46.55 | stefan_schmidt | That reminds me that Harald had the idea that we shold throw all the vendor kernel dumps into a nice git with branches and all. |
| 23:47.17 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: The months for the basics whould be used for PM of course |
| 23:47.26 | ds2 | but 2.4 + GIT usage is rather rare :/ |
| 23:47.44 | ds2 | i fell in love with the abiity to do a git add remote and manage things |
| 23:48.03 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: It's just that we all have them in one place. See difference between different dumps, nice searching, etc |
| 23:48.15 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 23:49.29 | ds2 | the big thing with the A780 is it is cheaper to get a new one on Amazon then it is to buy a GSM module by itself |
| 23:50.49 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: So you like to integrate it as an GSM module extension for your notebook over BT PAN? |
| 23:51.15 | ds2 | stefan_schmidth: sort of. for a Nokia N800 |
| 23:51.33 | ds2 | and it is also the only cheap source of a EDGE capable GSM module |
| 23:52.03 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: ah, but did't the N series has a really nice BT support for all kind of mobile phones? |
| 23:52.23 | ds2 | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 23:52.41 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: So why you need to hack the A780 for it? |
| 23:53.02 | ds2 | stefan_schmidt: cuz I want to use PAN. the N series don't do PAN |
| 23:53.16 | stefan_schmidt | Honestly I think everything < UMTS sucks for data |
| 23:53.21 | ds2 | with PAN I can export my network access to a car computer or wahtever else I can think of |
| 23:53.42 | ds2 | I am in the US and other means of data are provided by horrible carriers |
| 23:53.55 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Ah, more modding. I thought just for the connection between these two gadgets. Now it makes sense. :) |
| 23:54.33 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Only EVDO or EDGE? No UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA? |
| 23:55.21 | ds2 | HSDPA is from AT&T/Cingular only; EVDO is from Sprint/Verizon. they are all very expensive and their "unlimited" plans get shutdown if you do more then 1-2G/month |
| 23:55.37 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: I can nearly feel your pain. :) |
| 23:55.38 | ds2 | EDGE is available through Tmobile |
| 23:55.53 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: I have a UMTS real flat here in .de |
| 23:56.10 | ds2 | not to mention Tmobile unlimited data is the cheapest ($30 US) whereas the other two start at $80 for unlimited |
| 23:56.13 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Makes working mobile with a notebook ok |
| 23:56.29 | ds2 | stefan_schmidth: how's the latency for interactive stuff like ssh? |
| 23:56.32 | stefan_schmidt | 25 EUR here |
| 23:56.38 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: baad |
| 23:56.43 | ds2 | 25?! that is nice |
| 23:56.55 | ds2 | what carrier? |
| 23:57.22 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: IRC, syncing IMAP, a little browsing and pushing/poping SCMs is working. Nothing else do I need on the road. |
| 23:57.42 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Base, a daughter company from E-Plus. |
| 23:58.36 | ds2 | stefan_schmidt: any coverage in other parts of EU? |
| 23:59.03 | stefan_schmidt | ds2: Only for heavy roaming prices. |
| 23:59.19 | stefan_schmidt | HSDPA/HSUPA world flat would be cool. :) |
| 23:59.27 | ds2 | yep |
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