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12:02.10drWyrMGood morning.
12:03.29koenbom dia
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20:07.33drWyrMthere are rumours on motorolafans.com about google and openmoko working together on gphone :)
20:07.53drWyrMhttp://www.motorolafans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14527
20:09.29stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: wwong
20:09.51stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: They just annouced their own baby
20:10.03stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/index.html
20:10.41stefan_schmidthttp://www.openhandsetalliance.com/press_110507.html
20:10.47stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Hi btw. :)
20:12.22drWyrMstefan_schmidt: Hi :)
20:13.30drWyrMAre they releasing just a platform? Or will they start producing the hardware too?
20:13.42stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: mom, back in 10 minutes
20:32.05stefan_schmidtre
20:32.22stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Screenshots from what?
20:33.46stefan_schmidtBTW, I got myself an A1200
20:34.05stefan_schmidtAnd alphaone got an A1200 and an MOTORAZR2 V8
20:34.15stefan_schmidtSo new stuff to hack on. :)
20:34.23drWyrMtheir software platform. What are they using? I only found information about running the Linux Kernel.
20:34.52stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: They annouced nothing more. All marketing blah atm
20:35.15stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: We have to wait and hope that they show a SDK at the 12th
20:35.35stefan_schmidthttp://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_overview.html
20:35.47stefan_schmidtThat's the most "technical" detail I found.
20:36.07drWyrMstefan_schmidt: Congrats! :)  I plan to do some intensive OpenEZX hacking for the next weekend. Maybe finish the gsmd integration and start a1200's FB work.
20:36.36stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: thanks
20:36.42stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: gsmd would rock
20:37.04stefan_schmidtalphaone already had a look at the fb patches, not sure about his status on this
20:37.07drWyrMIf they release too much information, there will be plenty of other devices running gphone before their hardware reaches the market ;)
20:37.47stefan_schmidtalphaone: In the meantime, while waiting for your new toys, you could hack on the 18bpp fb stuff. :)
20:38.40stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: I'm not sure when they will come out with a real gphone. My guess is that they wait a bit how the android stuff turns out
20:39.12drWyrM"Who can join the Open Handset Alliance?"
20:39.39drWyrMOpenMoko should contact'em now. ;)
20:41.06stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: For now it seems all about marketing. And trust me, we should care about real problems and less about marketing.
20:41.11stefan_schmidt:/
20:42.02drWyrMstefan_schmidt: just joking ;)
20:42.40stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Sure, I just a bit upset when learning how the business stuff seems to work.
20:42.50stefan_schmidtBut anyway
20:43.26drWyrMgphone looks like YAFFOSSFMP
20:43.27stefan_schmidtThis we I have no time, but I schedule more and more time for my spare time projects and would really like to work a full we on OpenEZX again
20:43.53drWyrMYet Another First Free Open Source Something For Mobile Phones ;)
20:44.03stefan_schmidtheh
20:44.29drWyrMthere will be a war to decide who is really the "first" :)
20:44.31stefan_schmidtYeah, it seems the time for smething-with-FOSS-on-mobiles
20:45.13stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: How much time do you think will a full working gsmd for ezx take?
20:46.14drWyrMstefan_schmidt: i dont know about gsmd internals.. I believe that 15 minutes if someone with gsmd knowledge take a look at it :)
20:47.06stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Hard to find such people nowadays. :)
20:47.09drWyrMwith pty.c ezxd is talking with gsmd, but gsmd seems to not recognize a simple "OK" as reply, and then refuses to send another commands.
20:47.26stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Problem is that to many people think of different ways to implement it all.
20:48.16drWyrMstefan_schmidt: gsmd had to be more flexible from the start, with much more pluggable code than just the vendor plugin. :)
20:48.53drWyrMthis would allow people to implement a lot of different whatever, with no relevant impact on the core.
20:49.47stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: If Harald would not have been dragged in all the other stuff I hoped that had happened. But a good design take ages, and building a product don't give you this time.
20:49.48stefan_schmidt:(
20:50.28stefan_schmidtAnd then all the different patches got pulled in with, from different people with different ideas how to handle the whole stuff
20:52.25stefan_schmidtAnyway, atm the gsmd team works on getting the damn thing stable on the neo. That has of course priority, sorry.
20:55.57goxboxlivehi drWyrM : I dont have my A780 by hand now, could u you give the path to the brightness file?
20:56.03goxboxlivehi stefan_schmidt
20:57.18drWyrMstefan_schmidt: Yes, i understand this :) And i am in favour of letting things settle down, before demanding anything on gsmd-devel :)
20:57.48stefan_schmidthi goxboxlive, long not read. :)
20:57.58goxboxlive:-)
20:58.10drWyrMgoxboxlive: IIRC /sys/class/backlight/ezx-bl/brightness
20:58.18goxboxlivedrWyrM: thx
20:58.30stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: I know it's suboptimal, but we are still able to deal with this
20:58.30goxboxliveit seems correct
20:59.25stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Another point. Some time ago we spoke about sending some core patches upstream.
20:59.40stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Harald offered to review them first.
20:59.53stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: Which patches you would see as candidates?
20:59.59goxboxlivestefan_schmidt: i where able to communicate with the modem yesterday with Qtopia on A780, but it gave me a error CMS 4 or something. BUt at least it responded :-)
21:00.08stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: For a timeframe like mid of december.
21:00.19stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: cooool
21:00.49stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: Using the qtopia multiplexer code?
21:01.02drWyrMi would start with ezx-pcap, as all the fun code depends on pcap in some way..
21:01.21goxboxlivebut we have a long way to go. Man the mux stuff on A780 is complicated comparing to htc devices.
21:01.27goxboxlivestefan_schmidt: yes
21:01.41stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: indeed
21:01.51stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: hmm, you feel that one is ready?
21:02.16drWyrMstefan_schmidt: No :/
21:02.22goxboxlivedrWyrM: the A780 flash bootloader howto is updated. I'll take a look at the wiki page.
21:02.25drWyrMI feel that there are no ready patches.. :/
21:02.28stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: I always though that it still is not really stable, but I was away for some time...
21:02.43stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: *sigh*
21:03.03goxboxlivehttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/A780/bootloader/HOWTO_FLASH_A780.TXT
21:03.42stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: How about ezx-core?
21:03.46drWyrMeverything still needs some work. In the case of PCAP, i need to look at other IRQ demultiplexer codes, and see if it really should be done like we are doing it.
21:05.25drWyrMstefan_schmidt: ezx-core would not be accepted with the current headers.. But with a _little_ work, to remove ezx.h and use just pxa-regs.h it would be accepted.
21:05.45drWyrMbut not too useful without PCAP :/
21:06.49stefan_schmidtSo all ways point to pcap
21:07.35stefan_schmidtPerhaps we should really start with this one. :)
21:07.37drWyrMbbiab.
21:11.58stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: The howto looks interesting. Still need to fully read it.
21:12.33stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: Would you also like to integrate this one into the wiki? At least a link to it.
21:13.52goxboxlivestefan_schmidt: Yes please add it if ypu like. I dont have write access to the wiki now (not registrated) I am moving so i dont have time to actullay sit in front of my computer. My wife is yelling if i am :-)
21:14.45stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: (wife) heh
21:15.03stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: You prefer the full text in the wiki or a link?
21:15.28drWyrMgoxboxlive: if you are using ezxd as middleware for chatting with the modem, ezxd can implement software answered AT commands, just see which command end in an error, and implement a fake command for it ;)
21:17.00drWyrMATZ is such a fake command, crazy motorola removed ATZ from TI's Neptune.
21:24.10goxboxlivestefan_schmidt: doesnt mather for me, just do what you think is best. I think it's best to have the whole HOWTO at the wiki, not just the link.
21:24.29goxboxlivedrWyrM: ok, i'll further on it when i have settle at my new casa :-)
21:27.04stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: Fine with me.
21:27.11stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: I'll add it
21:29.04drWyrMgoxboxlive: speaking "casa" (in portuguese) means that you are moving to a portuguese speaking country? ;)
21:30.42goxboxlivedrWyrM: well that wouldnt have been so bad actually. But i will still be up here north wind the wind and the snow.
21:36.51stefan_schmidtgoxboxlive: http://wiki.openezx.org/Dual_boot first import
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21:40.42drWyrMThe only time i went to a place with below zero (celsius) temperature was a -3 degrees, at 5:00 AM on "Pico dos Marins" (http://www.trilhasetrilhas.tur.br/PapelDeParede/Img51B.jpg), at 2400 mts abobe sea level. :)
21:41.08stefan_schmidtdrWyrM: wow, I really would miss snowboarding
21:41.49blobsterjust got first snow couple of days ago here :)
21:42.13blobsterhere = Finland
21:43.14stefan_schmidtblobster: There are days where you have no snow? ;)
21:43.30blobsterheh, like 9 months :D
21:44.31blobsternah, maybe more like 6 :)
21:47.05drWyrMHere is hot like hell. And when it starts raining, sometimes it lasts to a whole month, raining every day..
21:47.20drWyrMand i am not near the amazon forest (aka rain forest) :)
21:48.28stefan_schmidt:)
21:49.13ao2It's hard to get below zero here too, in southern Italy and nearby the sea. (It's quite strange to speak about weather in #openezx...)
21:49.46blobsterweather is a global topic :)
21:50.04ao2I freeze at 4C already, have you ever tought about how weather can change people minds?
21:51.36drWyrMao2: what do you mean by change people minds?
21:51.43ao2blobster, I recall a scene from "My Fair Lady" when she was suggested to talk only about weather and heald when she don't know ehat to say...
21:52.40blobsterthere's always something to discuss about the weather :)
21:54.07stefan_schmidtHow is the wheater today? Always a good question to ask a girl in the club. ;)
21:54.24blobsterheh, it sure is :)
21:55.23ao2drWyrM, there are at least two kinds of changes I can see, one is contingent it's more about _mood_ than _mind_. But I can see also that poeple from warm places _generally_ think in a different way than poeple from cold places
21:56.29drWyrMao2: you are right :) People from warm places usually eat less and sleep more too :)
21:56.56drWyrMThe weather influences our lives in a lot of ways :)
21:57.47goxboxlivedrWyrM: Where are living? I thouht everyone beside med and some soumi guys where from germany.
21:57.59drWyrMBrazil.
21:59.36blobsterFinland
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22:01.44drWyrMgoxboxlive: and you?
22:03.59blobsterdoes anyone know does the neo1973 have a slot for the stylus it comes with?
22:04.27drWyrMblobster: the neo's stylus is bigger than the phone. hehehe.
22:04.48blobsteryes, so it seems. just wondering whether it has some smaller too
22:05.23blobstera smaller stylus I mean
22:07.14stefan_schmidtblobster: No slot :(
22:07.24blobsteroh :(
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22:26.53goxboxlivedrWyrM: Brazil sounds warm and nice I am from Oslo Norway
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