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| 01:04.07 | jaebird | motorola spends their time thinking up names _they_ think are cool |
| 01:04.19 | jaebird | instead of developing open phones |
| 01:04.44 | jaebird | my E2 is almost ready to retire....and my neo is about to be born, woot! |
| 01:06.09 | stefan|camp | jaebird: So you will spent the E2 once we release the first snapshot for your neo? ;) |
| 02:08.39 | jaebird | stefan: spent? |
| 02:09.37 | stefan|camp | jaebird: A wrong german to english translation for donate :) |
| 02:09.41 | jaebird | :) drink bear will code |
| 02:09.47 | jaebird | s/bear/beer/ |
| 02:10.15 | jaebird | mickeyl says ~7 days... |
| 02:10.35 | stefan|camp | jaebird: Working on it :) |
| 02:10.37 | jaebird | I already tried snapshot 2007.2 from alphaone |
| 02:10.43 | jaebird | looking good |
| 02:11.04 | stefan|camp | jaebird: Yeah, still some todos on our needs-to-be-fixed list though |
| 02:11.05 | jaebird | i called a friend who also has a neo and we talked on the headset |
| 02:11.11 | jaebird | no worries |
| 02:11.24 | jaebird | i'm very patient and excited to get involved |
| 02:11.38 | stefan|camp | heh, good |
| 02:11.51 | jaebird | people at work are raising their eyebrows... |
| 02:12.10 | jaebird | we even have a little ir&d effort to use the neo as a portable device for our app |
| 02:12.18 | stefan|camp | ah |
| 02:12.26 | jaebird | so 07 is a good year |
| 02:12.41 | jaebird | saw the deal with motorola today...tad late i must say |
| 02:13.08 | jaebird | i'm glad you got in as a dev |
| 02:13.25 | jaebird | i was affected by the at&t 3G SIM snafu |
| 02:13.37 | jaebird | but i ebayed a 2G card...so i'm ok for now |
| 02:14.16 | stefan|camp | That's a sad one. Especially because we depend on TI support for this stuff.:( |
| 02:14.45 | jaebird | i was chuckling since i'm only a few miles from TI in dallas... |
| 02:15.25 | jaebird | hopefully it won't be too expensive for all parties involved to get it fixed...developers, openmoko, ti, etc... |
| 02:15.58 | stefan|camp | jaebird: Should be ok, but we will see. |
| 02:16.12 | stefan|camp | Anyway, time for bed now. Already 4:16 am |
| 02:16.16 | stefan|camp | Night all |
| 02:16.18 | jaebird | yeah...we deal with vendors at our buiz.. |
| 02:16.23 | jaebird | gnight |
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| 09:28.18 | florian | good morning |
| 09:28.49 | LoneStar | good morning florian |
| 09:29.10 | LoneStar | how is your gpe^2 going? |
| 09:32.15 | florian | LoneStar: Not too bad, but slower than expected... |
| 09:37.50 | LuitvD | lol |
| 09:38.16 | LuitvD | florian: what are you running it on? |
| 09:39.55 | florian | LuitvD: It depends... mostly native on my PC, a SPV C600 (that's a HTC Tornado in fact), Motorola A780 or even the Neo1973 |
| 09:40.22 | LuitvD | and all run it slowly? or do you just have high expectations? :P |
| 09:40.39 | florian | http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/gpe%c2%b2-on-a-htc-tornado/ |
| 09:41.15 | florian | LuitvD: heh no, development is slower than expected... |
| 09:42.01 | florian | in fact its slow on the spv currently, but that's mostly because of the X server eating up cpu cycles. |
| 09:43.16 | LuitvD | doesn't it run DirectFB? |
| 09:43.30 | LuitvD | a/doesn't/can't |
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| 09:55.33 | florian | LuitvD: maybe.... but i'm convinced that it won't work out of the box. |
| 09:56.24 | florian | LuitvD: in fact i don't see a need for this... kdrive rocks and solves a lot of problems for you. |
| 09:56.43 | LuitvD | right.... |
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| 09:57.03 | LuitvD | I'm still not sure about what to run on my R6 :P |
| 09:57.11 | LuitvD | s/R6/E6/ |
| 09:57.51 | LuitvD | I'm getting it today or tomorrow :P |
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| 11:38.19 | LoneStar | do you ever plan to support non-touchscreen phones? |
| 11:43.51 | florian | LoneStar: in g(pe)^2? yes... it works pretty well already, the spv e.g. does not have a touchscreen. |
| 11:45.47 | LoneStar | sounds great |
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| 15:20.39 | pjz | Sadly I think that the Neo may not come out a winner in the Phone Wars |
| 15:21.02 | pjz | despite having shown the other players The Way |
| 15:21.46 | pjz | It's just difficult for them to compete with the engineering experience of, say, Motorola |
| 15:23.07 | dion | hi all |
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| 18:59.35 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:13.35 | SuN | pjz: are you kidding? Motorola leaves lots of room for improvement, the only thing they might be better at is creating fashionable gizmos like laser-etched keypads, etc. |
| 19:15.14 | SuN | Apart from the camera, the Neo has pretty much the same features as my E6, but larger memory, 640x480 screen, motion sensor, GPS, USB host. |
| 19:16.04 | SuN | And right now there are 100s of people working on the Openmoko software, more than Motorola can ever put on a single cellphone software project, most likely. |
| 19:16.34 | SuN | The latest EZX offering is not bad at all, but it has limits that are easily undone in software implemented in OS. |
| 19:17.51 | SuN | I doubt the Neo will be a winner any time soon, but it is however a pioneer, and that's pretty much the purpose, I guess. |
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| 19:54.44 | pjz | SuN: the A910 is pretty nice |
| 19:55.23 | dion | is it GSM? |
| 19:56.38 | agd5f | dion: I think all the ezx phones are at this point |
| 19:57.04 | LuitvD | dion: GSM, GPRS |
| 19:57.13 | dion | heh. I'm waiting for CDMA1x+EV-DO phone :) |
| 19:57.45 | LuitvD | and looks like it has WLAN too |
| 19:58.42 | LuitvD | # Connectivity |
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| 19:59.31 | SuN | Their technical marvelling has produced a 1.3MP camera! |
| 19:59.36 | SuN | :) |
| 19:59.38 | dion | wifi is great |
| 19:59.51 | SuN | They're nice, but still not at their full potential. |
| 20:00.08 | SuN | Wifi is pretty cool, but with good 3G/GPRS coverage, I could do without, I guess. |
| 20:01.02 | dion | yes.. Now it's available 3G here.. so i'm looking for 3g phone |
| 20:02.21 | LuitvD | SuN: that's quite a difference... 3G/GPRS :P |
| 20:02.40 | LuitvD | 3g phones are all but cheap... |
| 20:02.48 | LuitvD | the Z8 is gonna be 3G |
| 20:02.52 | LuitvD | full HSDPA |
| 20:05.23 | SuN | Well, the screen is the main limit anyway, I'd say. |
| 20:05.31 | SuN | I have unlimited GPRS on my E6 now. |
| 20:05.58 | LuitvD | I'm gonna have that too I guess :) |
| 20:06.07 | SuN | One thing that baffles me is that the E6 can't run more than one J2ME app at the same time. |
| 20:06.07 | LuitvD | sure about the latter |
| 20:06.12 | SuN | It seems like an artificial limit. |
| 20:06.23 | LuitvD | strange |
| 20:06.31 | LuitvD | on the stock software that is? |
| 20:06.35 | SuN | Yep |
| 20:06.45 | LuitvD | how is the stock software? usable? |
| 20:06.57 | SuN | Latest version is pretty good. |
| 20:07.07 | SuN | Beats the hell out of any Symbian phone in speed, anyway. |
| 20:07.22 | LuitvD | where did you get your E6? :P mine's on it's way from LA, USA |
| 20:07.23 | SuN | And the interface is really straigh-forward, apart from some quirks. |
| 20:07.34 | SuN | My dad brought it from China. |
| 20:07.41 | SuN | He was there for business. |
| 20:07.43 | LuitvD | lucky basterd :P |
| 20:07.50 | SuN | Yeah, comes in handy :) |
| 20:07.53 | LuitvD | my dad never goes anywhere :P |
| 20:08.00 | SuN | No taxes either, luckily. |
| 20:08.05 | SuN | Hm, heh. |
| 20:08.05 | LuitvD | that's good |
| 20:08.12 | SuN | Well, I'm sure he's a nice guy! :D |
| 20:08.31 | SuN | My dad is in China a couple of times a year, and 2 or 3 times in Germany as well. |
| 20:09.14 | LuitvD | my dad just works in utrecht :P |
| 20:09.18 | LuitvD | plain and simple |
| 20:09.38 | SuN | The onboard browser (opera mobile) is not bad, but I find myself using Opera Mini (j2me) more often now, because it's a lot faster and has a fancier UI. |
| 20:09.53 | LuitvD | faster? |
| 20:09.54 | SuN | It's faster because opera's servers fetch the page, then serve it back to you. |
| 20:09.56 | LuitvD | how is that possible? |
| 20:09.58 | SuN | So less bandwidth. |
| 20:10.01 | LuitvD | ah |
| 20:10.06 | LuitvD | that's interesting |
| 20:10.29 | SuN | Yep |
| 20:10.50 | LuitvD | maybe nice to set up my computer as a proxy to pre-process the data :P |
| 20:10.52 | SuN | And it's pretty zippy, the interface isn't slow at all, which I didn't expect from J2ME. |
| 20:11.19 | LuitvD | yeh, it's pretty much optimised |
| 20:11.29 | SuN | Not sure if that's doable, using the onboard software.. it has to have proxy support, obviously, of which I'm not sure. |
| 20:11.50 | SuN | I wish opera had pen gestures, though. |
| 20:12.11 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:12.29 | LuitvD | on a device like the E6 those are very usefull indeed |
| 20:12.33 | SuN | And there's no text input in the GUI, it always switches back to an ugly generic QT input field. |
| 20:13.14 | SuN | Opera Mini supports the touch screen, but obviously, apart from the gestures, there's not much involved, except for scrolling and clicking buttons. |
| 20:13.22 | SuN | Would be nice to have shortcuts :D |
| 20:13.31 | SuN | I use them a lot in desktop Opera. |
| 20:14.11 | SuN | I would like to use a J2ME e-mail app, since the onboard one doesn't support interval checking, but I can't have it running and run Opera mini at the same time, unfortunately. |
| 20:14.49 | SuN | I'm eager to try Opera Mini (or whatever browser) on different mobile platforms, but I'm pretty sure this is one of the zippiest machines available. |
| 20:15.12 | SuN | The pixel viewer is evidence as well, it zooms word docs as if it were nothing, |
| 20:16.46 | LuitvD | yeah, can't wait to see that stuff :P |
| 20:17.15 | LuitvD | I should get my laptop's Bluetooth to work... then I can connect to my E6 easily in the future |
| 20:17.27 | SuN | It's really a feature phone, and that's how they're marketing it. It can't do ALL the fancy stuff a Windows Mobile phone can do, but the things it can do, it does really well. |
| 20:17.49 | SuN | I was trying to get my laptop to use bluetooth for GPRS, but I only brought my obscure BT CF card. |
| 20:17.56 | SuN | Gonna try with bluetooth. |
| 20:18.23 | LuitvD | BT CF? wow... amazing that stuff like that is made :P |
| 20:18.45 | SuN | I used it with my Zaurus. |
| 20:19.01 | LuitvD | I have a WiFi + BT card built-in to my laptop... but the BT part hasn't worked yet |
| 20:19.05 | SuN | It worked, but it uses UART instead of a real driver, which is pretty slow, and complicated. |
| 20:19.08 | LuitvD | some strange driver stuff... |
| 20:19.08 | SuN | Hmm |
| 20:19.10 | SuN | No driver? |
| 20:19.40 | LuitvD | usb-hid doesn't recognize it... and the stock drivers only come for XP 32-bit |
| 20:20.11 | LuitvD | and I'm using Ubuntu 64-bit :P |
| 20:20.21 | SuN | Doh |
| 20:20.39 | SuN | Isn't there something like 64/32bit ndiswrapper-wrapper? |
| 20:20.41 | LuitvD | couldn't get it to work on Ubuntu 32-bit either though... |
| 20:20.47 | SuN | Oh |
| 20:20.54 | SuN | AHh, and ndis only works for... ndis, heh. |
| 20:21.03 | LuitvD | and ndiswrapper only works for wifi indeed |
| 20:21.29 | LuitvD | in a strange way I did try ndiswrapping the BT drivers though... |
| 20:21.48 | LuitvD | ndiswrapper never looked that angry at me :P |
| 20:22.04 | SuN | A bad case of the bluez! |
| 20:22.09 | SuN | pun :D |
| 20:22.33 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:22.47 | LuitvD | somebody needs to reverse-engineer my drivers |
| 20:23.10 | SuN | Yeah yeah, after they figure out the E6 drivers, please :D |
| 20:23.51 | LuitvD | everything else on my brand new laptop works though... |
| 20:24.13 | SuN | That's a lot of luck, nowadays/ |
| 20:24.17 | LuitvD | yeah |
| 20:24.28 | LuitvD | still, the WiFi doesn't really 'work' properly |
| 20:24.41 | LuitvD | but it does connect me to the internet |
| 20:24.43 | LuitvD | eventually |
| 20:25.16 | LuitvD | the Network Manager in Ubuntu can't setup my self-compiled drivers properly... I guess |
| 20:25.29 | LuitvD | it just doesn't configure the iface |
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| 20:41.55 | LuitvD | damn, I think I have to take my USB bluetooth dongle with me... |
| 20:41.56 | LuitvD | :( |
| 20:52.30 | SuN | Missing extensions for the wifi? |
| 20:53.06 | LuitvD | guess so |
| 20:53.13 | LuitvD | and completely missing drivers for BT |
| 20:53.37 | LuitvD | so a fucked-up BT+WiFi card, from a driver point-of-view |
| 20:54.03 | LuitvD | rt61 chipset WiFi... buggy standard driver in Ubuntu... one that crashes upon usage of WEP |
| 20:54.22 | SuN | That sucks. |
| 20:54.36 | SuN | I wish they'd build that stuff up with minipci devices so you can replace them. |
| 20:54.37 | LuitvD | yah |
| 20:54.56 | LuitvD | think I should dump the windoze drivers on launchpad for someone to reverse-engineer |
| 20:55.43 | SuN | Does that actually work? |
| 20:59.42 | LuitvD | does what work? |
| 20:59.49 | SuN | Launchpad |
| 21:00.36 | LuitvD | it does |
| 21:00.49 | LuitvD | works just as well as any other bugtracker IMHO |
| 21:01.15 | SuN | I mean, does it actually get you working stuff? I'm sure it works pretty well, technically, but... |
| 21:01.22 | LuitvD | it is a minipci device actually |
| 21:01.23 | LuitvD | :P |
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| 21:02.10 | SuN | Ahh, replace with Intel :D |
| 21:02.14 | SuN | Wifi, that is. |
| 21:02.20 | SuN | Or anything supported, really, heh. |
| 21:02.31 | LuitvD | I dumped quite a few bugs on launchpad, and recieved feedback and patches |
| 21:02.46 | LuitvD | well... it's a BT+WiFi mini-PCI card... |
| 21:02.52 | SuN | Hmm |
| 21:02.59 | LuitvD | and I don't want to loose the BT |
| 21:03.12 | LuitvD | coz that's the thing I |
| 21:03.19 | LuitvD | 'm trying to get working |
| 21:04.59 | LuitvD | but for my holidays I can get by with my USB BT dongle... |
| 21:05.12 | LuitvD | going away for 2 weeks starting this friday |
| 21:05.51 | LuitvD | I really hope I'll have my E6 tomorrow... |
| 21:05.56 | SuN | What's the destination? |
| 21:05.59 | LuitvD | if not it's fucked |
| 21:06.06 | LuitvD | destination: 100km south :P |
| 21:06.14 | LuitvD | something like that |
| 21:06.30 | LuitvD | going for 'Chaam', in 'Noord-Brabant' |
| 21:06.41 | LuitvD | that's near 'Baarle-Nassau' |
| 21:06.42 | SuN | Sounds exciting :D |
| 21:06.56 | LuitvD | heheh, it isn't actually |
| 21:07.00 | LuitvD | it's quite relaxing |
| 21:33.44 | LuitvD | without my laptop it'd be just frustrating, but with it, it's quite good |
| 21:35.25 | SuN | :D let's hope the weather won't be too good. |
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