IRC log for #openezx on 20070801

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03:19.55Fry-kunhowdy everyone
03:20.27Fry-kunback from vacation... anything interesting happen while i was gone?
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16:12.48LuitvDyeehaa, 18 years old
16:12.54LuitvDgood day
16:13.15koenLuitvD: youngster
16:13.23LuitvDkoen: sorry :(
16:14.02LuitvDnow's my time to step into maturity I guess...
16:14.45LuitvDaren't you on holidays koen? seems like everyone here is gone...
16:14.56LuitvDchannel is silent all the tim
16:14.59LuitvDe
16:15.14koenno, I returned from holidays already
16:15.32koennow "m sitting about home not preparing for exams
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16:46.56pjzhey, not preparing for exams is hard work
16:47.00pjztakes a lot of time to do that
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18:28.41webmindcrap... lost my login of my a780 :(
18:54.21SuNFlash time!
19:20.09webmindyeah :)
19:20.30SuNWhat's the state of the latest A780 firmware?
19:20.35webminddunno
19:20.44webmindhaven't played with my a780 for a while
19:20.59webmindjust tried it because I needed a phone for tomorrow
19:21.13SuNWhat are you using as your main phone?
19:22.36webmindI used to use my nokia
19:22.44webmindbut my work just blocked it for international use
19:22.50webmind(going to ccc tomorrow)
19:23.00webmindso I scraped up an old prepaid sim
19:23.11webmindand now found my old samsung phone
19:26.57LuitvDccc?
19:27.25webmindChaos Computer Club (Camp)
19:27.39webmindbig international hacker camp near berlin
19:27.40LuitvDand where is that? :S
19:27.43LuitvDah
19:27.46LuitvDnice
19:27.52webmindquite
19:28.07webmindCCC is one the first places I heard about the a780 hacks
19:28.29LuitvDlol
19:28.42LuitvDoh I really hope my E6 will ship soon
19:28.53webmindE6 ?
19:29.03LuitvDMotorola ROKR E6
19:29.04webmindis it a new linux motorola phone ?
19:29.07webmindk
19:29.08SuNE6 is a nice phone, I like mine :)
19:29.14LuitvDyou have one?
19:29.16LuitvDcool
19:29.18SuNYep
19:29.28LuitvDI really can't wait to get mine
19:29.57LuitvDhave been waiting for a month already... can't remember how I survived that month... but another month WILL kill me
19:30.11SuNEverytime I see someone with a Symbian or WinCE phone, I get a little jealous because of the fancy graphics they have. But upon closer inspection, all those phones are very slow, crash a lot and are generally still buggy.
19:30.24SuNWhat's taking so long?
19:30.32LuitvDconfirmation I guess...
19:30.43LuitvDconfirmed my address 6 times now
19:30.52SuNWoa
19:30.57SuNPaypal, or the seller?
19:31.14LuitvDseller
19:31.20LuitvDpaypal is unconfirmed
19:31.26LuitvDthat's why the seller needs to confirm
19:31.35LuitvDwhich he asked for thrice
19:31.49SuNWeird
19:31.51LuitvDand after that he suddenly remembered he needed some ID too
19:31.57LuitvDwhich I then scanned and mailed
19:32.07LuitvDand then it got silent for a small week
19:32.32LuitvDand when I mailed to ask about the status, he asked what my eBay account was :S
19:32.53LuitvDI think I'll not be too positive when reviewing him...
19:32.58SuNHmmmm
19:33.09SuNDepends on whether you'll get anything in the first place, I guess.
19:33.33LuitvDbut I'm not going to get angry on my birthday... tomorrow I'll take another shot at him
19:34.40webmindbut is the E6 a linux phone ?
19:35.01LuitvDyes
19:35.02SuNYep
19:35.15webmindnice
19:35.35LuitvDI think I'm heading downstairs for some icecream :)
19:35.44LuitvDbrb
19:36.17SuNIt's really just an evolution of the A780, but the firmware is quite a lot more polished than A780 (and E680i), and the form factor is pretty nice.
19:41.29webmindSuN, it has gps ?
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19:43.49SuNNope
19:43.50webmindhow is motorola btw in upholding the gpl stuff ?
19:44.04webmindI know there was some trouble in the beginning
19:44.34SuNThey're still holding stuff back, saying they need to clear legal issues. They're releasing _some_ stuff but definitely not more than they're supposed to.
19:44.52SuNBut they did set up the whole opensource.motorola.com thing, which is a step in the right direction.
19:45.58SuNZ6 is already opensources, just like the E6, but they're several firmware versions behind.
19:47.06SuNKernel for E6 is missing, for instance.
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20:04.31webmindSuN, that's still crap then
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21:51.25LuitvDdamned, is this guy stoned or what...
21:51.36LuitvDthe guy I wanted to buy the ROKR E6 from
21:51.52LuitvDmailed him half a week ago, to ask about my shipment status.
21:52.10LuitvD2 days later, he asked for my eBay username (what the hell?)
21:52.19LuitvDI directly mailed him back
21:52.30LuitvDno response for 3 days
21:52.39LuitvDSo I just emailed him again
21:53.45LuitvDand once more, the same question (what my eBay username is) while I quoted the message that gave him my eBay username
22:05.24SuNIs this a trusted seller?
22:05.46LuitvDoh, powerseller even
22:05.47LuitvD:S
22:05.51LuitvDoddly
22:05.52SuNHmm
22:06.14LuitvDhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136855044&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019
22:06.16LuitvDthat item
22:07.58SuNWell, he has an aol e-mail address, that tells something :)
22:08.11LuitvDI have had contact...
22:08.38SuNNo, the fact that he uses AOL tells something about him, I mean.
22:08.54LuitvDwell
22:09.17LuitvDand that aol email address is part of the annoyance... clearly, messages don't group up like in gMail... and he doesn't quote older messages...
22:10.35LuitvDand I guess stock isn't the problem...
22:10.57SuNFrom the sound of it, he's just genuinely confused.
22:10.57LuitvDhe has a listing of 19 available ROKR E6-es
22:11.03LuitvDyeah
22:11.29LuitvDthe unconfirmed PayPal account is the source of his confusement
22:11.35LuitvDI guess
22:11.47agd5fLuitvD: FWIW, I bought mine here: http://www.hi-mobile.net/Motorola/Motorola-E6-Fully-Unlocked/ and everything went smoothly.
22:12.10SuNHm.. this is probably too late, but you can easily confirm paypal with your bank account in NL now.
22:12.13SuNTakes about 4 days.
22:12.16LuitvDagd5f: does that ship to the netherlands?
22:12.31LuitvDagd5f: it's out of stock there, at the moment
22:12.48LuitvDSuN: I know
22:13.09LuitvDbut I don't want PayPal to be able to automatically withdraw money...
22:13.20LuitvDI don't like 'automatische incasso'
22:14.26SuNHm, is that a requirement? I activated it about a week ago but I didn't pay attention, I guess.
22:15.37LuitvDit is
22:15.52LuitvDyou did the activation with the two bank deposits?
22:15.58SuNYeah.
22:17.08SuNGot 20 cents from them :D
22:17.08LuitvDin the terms you got after that, you agree that PayPal can use 'automatische incasso' to withdraw funds at your command
22:17.08agd5fLuitvD: not sure about the shipping
22:17.09LuitvDoeh, I actually got 31 cents :P
22:17.09SuNWell I actually used that for Ebay.
22:17.32SuNYou can always undo automatic transfers, too... though you do have to pay attention.
22:17.32SuNBastard!
22:17.45LuitvDI just really don't want anybody to be able to automatically withdraw money from MY ACCOUNT
22:18.18SuNI dunno, I don't distrust them any less than my phone company and health insurance.
22:18.19agd5fmy paypal is verified, but it doesn't always show up properly in ebay since they seem to use different address verification software
22:18.25SuNAny more, I mean.
22:18.39LuitvDlol
22:18.44LuitvDdouble negative, always works
22:19.10LuitvDit's a bloody triple negative... good lord
22:19.18LuitvDdon't distrust them any less...
22:19.57LuitvDso you do distrust them some more, or equally much? XD
22:20.10SuNWell, it basically means I consider Paypal the same as my phone company and health insurance :D
22:20.22LuitvDanyways, it's not PayPal I do not trust
22:20.31LuitvDit's the Internet I'm worried about
22:20.36LuitvDphishing and stuff
22:20.41SuNAhh ok
22:20.57SuNA fair concern, I guess.
22:20.58LuitvDhell, I'm very cautious when eBanking even...
22:21.05SuNEven though I personally never fell for anything like that.
22:21.09SuNIt's all too obvious.
22:21.35LuitvDmijn-postbank I do trust, and the same for iDeal, but it shouldn't get any more exotic then that
22:21.48SuN:D
22:22.02SuNI wired money to an off-shore citibank account once, I only barely got it back.
22:22.17SuNSince then I became more careful, but still..
22:22.30LuitvDlol, how old are ya? :P
22:22.34SuN24
22:22.44SuNWhy? ;D
22:22.52LuitvDoh, just curious :P
22:23.18SuNIt was when I imported my Zaurus from Japan. THey didn't accept paypal at the time.
22:23.29SuNOff-shore accounts are usually used to evade taxes :)
22:23.48SuNBut they accepted moneybookers, which IMO is much nicer than paypal.
22:23.56SuNIt's just that paypal is all the hype now.
22:24.03LuitvDdon't even know moneybookers...
22:24.14SuNIt's British, I think.
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22:24.30LuitvDis google checkout going to be the new hype ?
22:24.56LuitvDin the netherlands iDeal is the shopping hype of the year :P
22:25.21LuitvDI really really use that a lot :P
22:25.35SuNHeh, iDeal is stupid. Many shops charge extra for it, while it's only just a hyperlink to your internet banking app.
22:25.40SuNIf they don't charge, I use it.
22:26.04LuitvDsame here
22:26.16LuitvDand most places I buy stuff, don't charge any extra
22:26.32LuitvDsome even discount you a bit
22:26.39SuNOh, that's very nice.
22:26.45SuNAnd it's instant, that's cool too.
22:26.47LuitvDbecause plain banking gives them extra work
22:27.04LuitvDwell, my transfers to postbank accounts are instant too
22:27.05LuitvD:P
22:27.08SuNI'm glad they finally found out.
22:27.28SuNYeah, but it's connected to their systems so their systems know that as well.
22:27.49SuNOtherwise you have to wait when one of the employees checks the account, even though the money is already there.
22:28.01LuitvDand 90% of my payments to other banks (rabo and ABN Amro for example) are within 24 hours :P
22:28.24LuitvDrabo > postbank can take 3 days :P
22:28.33SuNTook a long time for that to happen. Not long ago POstbank took about 3 days to other accounts.
22:28.38SuNYeah, that's awful.
22:28.43LuitvDindeed
22:28.50SuNABN-AMRO ftw, even though they're practically Barclays :D
22:29.36LuitvDbest thing is, Randstad told me I'd get paid on wednesday, after a week of working.... I got the money on tuesday already :P
22:30.06LuitvD'verzamelgiro' to a Postbank account is instantanious too :)
22:30.18SuNWhat the hell is that? :)
22:30.38LuitvDit's when companies tell the bank to make a bulk payment
22:31.11LuitvDfor Randstad (uitzendbureau) it's useless to make a seperate payment for each employee
22:31.27LuitvDPayPal uses 'verzamelgiro' too :P
22:31.35SuNHmm, ok
22:32.04LuitvDyou just give your bank a list of account numbers, names and prices, and the next day, they bulk-transfer the money
22:32.10LuitvDvery nice service
22:33.21SuNWhat did you do?
22:33.39LuitvDfix a database, and fill it up
22:33.49SuNHm, not bad.
22:33.54SuNBeats picking tulips, I guess.
22:33.58LuitvD(and I did some archiving, filled 32 boxes with files
22:34.45LuitvDyeah, it really does... nice people, just a laptop and a bunch of files
22:34.59LuitvDgood food in the restaurant
22:35.30LuitvDand a very good salary (way above minimum gross salary)
22:36.24SuNYeah, not bad for a not-even-18-year-old.
22:36.47LuitvDthis vacation I thought I had to work a month or 2 to get money together for my studies... turned out the two weeks at Eureko/Achmea Holding were sufficient :)
22:37.09SuNYou only need 500 eur for your study?
22:37.14LuitvDit was twice the minimum salary of a 17-year-old
22:37.31LuitvDno, I needed about 300 MORE for my study :P
22:37.42LuitvDI already had a bunch of money
22:38.11LuitvDI needed 300 more, and wanted about 600 all together
22:38.50LuitvDso 500 through that job, a big chunk of money because I graduated, and now some more because it was my birthday :)
22:38.59LuitvDgoal reached
22:39.40LuitvDnew laptop, mobile phone coming soon (I hope), and some reserves for my school books, other school material, and my college-funds
22:42.08LuitvD<PROTECTED>
22:42.09LuitvDanyhow
22:42.14LuitvDI'm off for some sleep
22:42.20LuitvD'night all :)
22:42.21SuNSo soon?
22:42.24SuNG'night
22:42.25LuitvDheheh
22:42.31LuitvDquarter to 1
22:42.36SuNI know :D
22:42.37LuitvDthat's not soon...
22:42.42LuitvDnot for me
22:42.53LuitvDbut it's not late either :)
22:43.01LuitvD5 is late :P
22:43.16LuitvD'night 'night
22:43.18SuNThat's the time I normally go to bed during the vacation, heh.
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