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| 06:21.41 | blkhawk[work] | lo |
| 06:22.47 | blkhawk[work] | whats new? |
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| 07:13.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:49.40 | iceskycn | good morning |
| 07:55.31 | dion|sleep | hiall |
| 07:57.48 | iceskycn | hi |
| 07:58.14 | blkhawk[work] | morning |
| 07:58.16 | iceskycn | The problem which tun.o can't insmod is resolved on yesterday |
| 07:58.32 | blkhawk[work] | seems like EZX is finally moving :P |
| 07:59.07 | iceskycn | thanks a lot |
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| 09:10.00 | icesky | hi all |
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| 15:00.46 | drWyrM | stefan_schmidt: any information about the machine id allocation? |
| 15:04.41 | stefan_schmidt | drWyrM: I had a short chat with Ben Docks (S3C Mainatiner) |
| 15:04.43 | stefan_schmidt | drWyrM: http://pastebin.ca/479090 |
| 15:05.29 | stefan_schmidt | drWyrM: So if we have really differences which are not detectable during runtime it should be ok |
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| 15:07.24 | stefan_schmidt | drWyrM: Another though. Can't we work with MACH_EZX_$PHONE? |
| 15:08.16 | drWyrM | yes. i was thinking about a way to make userspace detect the machine type. but registering new machines still seems the best way. |
| 15:08.33 | drWyrM | stefan_schmidt: its exactly what i was thinking :) mach_ezx_* |
| 15:08.38 | koen | stefan_schmidt: have a chat with RP, since he maintains all the 'different' zaurus models |
| 15:08.55 | stefan_schmidt | drWyrM: ok |
| 15:08.57 | drWyrM | koen: corgi.c has 4 differente mach types. |
| 15:09.03 | stefan_schmidt | koen: ah, good idea |
| 15:09.25 | drWyrM | its the abosulutely same code, and 4 mach ids. |
| 15:10.09 | stefan_schmidt | hmm |
| 15:10.14 | drWyrM | argh, its my keyboard defect. not mine ;) |
| 15:10.19 | koen | yes, but there are more than 4 zaurus models :) |
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| 15:12.36 | stefan_schmidt | So we should chat with RP and think more about it. I don't like all the solutions, but in the end we have to deal with this in a sane way. |
| 15:13.37 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, food and social contacts now. cu |
| 15:14.00 | drWyrM | ops, on corgi.c its 3 mach ids (husky, sheperd and corgi) poodle has 1, spitz 3 (spitz, borzoi, akita) |
| 15:14.30 | drWyrM | i think that RP uses 1 mach id for each model. lets see... ;) |
| 15:14.54 | drWyrM | ao2: i saw you question later on the backlog, sorry for not responding last night.. |
| 15:15.10 | ao2 | about lcd power? |
| 15:15.16 | drWyrM | i think we should not turn the lcd off on intensity 0 |
| 15:15.48 | drWyrM | the user may want to eg have a clock on even with the backlight off. |
| 15:16.17 | koen | right |
| 15:17.13 | ao2 | well, I meant when echoing 1 to /sys/class/backlight/power <- I was not referring to the brightness property |
| 15:17.13 | drWyrM | some users like even a animated screensaver. :) |
| 15:17.46 | ao2 | right now changing power property simply set the brightness to 0, while we should deal with hemm _power_ ... |
| 15:18.12 | ao2 | I agree what with brightness = 0 the lcd has to be still powered |
| 15:18.18 | ao2 | s/what/that |
| 15:18.28 | drWyrM | ao2: intensity = 0 is the same as backlight power off isnt it? |
| 15:23.50 | ao2 | well, things can be seen in different ways. At this point I have to say that I would turn off the lcd _also_ with brightness = 0, but it's just me |
| 15:24.22 | drWyrM | i think we are not chating about the same thing. |
| 15:24.27 | drWyrM | lcd or backlight? |
| 15:24.51 | drWyrM | lcd, i am sure should not be touched by backlight controls. |
| 15:26.22 | ao2 | what I tought is that the "uen user" (that that we have them right now :) ) does know the distinction between lcd and backlight, for him it is just the screen, so a screen with 0 brightness can be equivalent to a screen powered off (to save some battery) |
| 15:27.00 | ao2 | but I suspect that my english makes undertanding me a bit more complicated than neccesary :) |
| 15:28.17 | ao2 | ah drWyrM, do you have a JTAG adapter? On some not-to-be-mentioned manuals I found some indication about jtag testpads |
| 15:31.30 | drWyrM | i agree about the battery saving, but the same average users is the one that demands an "animated screensaver". we cant restrict the user possibility to have a image on the lcd, even with the backlight off. |
| 15:31.48 | drWyrM | you can turn both off anyway, by using console blank. |
| 15:32.12 | drWyrM | no, i dont have a jtag adapter yet. |
| 15:33.14 | drWyrM | but i am looking for building a wiggler and start playing with that. |
| 15:33.39 | drWyrM | but i am afraid of opening my phone ;) i always break some plastic when i try that. |
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| 15:35.49 | ao2 | well, I opened it once, maybe you can give a look inside before opening your: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/gallery/gallery_images/foto/naked%20moto/index.html |
| 15:37.27 | drWyrM | ao2: you r brave. :) any scratches after that? |
| 15:39.30 | ao2 | It got out sane... I made the last photo to show that it is still working :) |
| 15:40.00 | drWyrM | ao2: have you ever flashed your a780? |
| 15:40.11 | ao2 | never |
| 15:40.30 | drWyrM | neither userspace? |
| 15:40.41 | drWyrM | usr/setup? |
| 15:41.00 | drWyrM | dont you have at least mpkg support? |
| 15:41.21 | drWyrM | i have flashed mine on the first week. hehehehe |
| 15:44.44 | drWyrM | there are some guys on motorolafans which moved most of the QTapps out of the strataflash, and even changed the rootfs to ext2 r/w these are brave guys. :) |
| 15:45.26 | drWyrM | dion: its rw? |
| 15:46.08 | dion | it's combination of ro branch (original) + rw branch on /diska/ (ext3) |
| 15:46.48 | dion | + patched mmcsdapp (just replace /dev/mmca* to /ram/mmca* and create symlinks). I got kernel panic without it |
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| 15:47.48 | drWyrM | dion: so, this way you can write to any place on the rootfs? |
| 15:48.00 | dion | drWyrM: yes. it's like knoppix livecd. |
| 15:48.24 | dion | all changes will be stored in old "/diska/" filesystem |
| 15:48.52 | drWyrM | any documents? howto? |
| 15:49.30 | dion | but i got non-working java app installed (looks like motorola gui checks, is /diska mounted?) |
| 15:49.30 | dion | drWyrM: sorry no.. there is only readme in unionfs source |
| 15:51.09 | dion | http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html |
| 15:54.09 | dion | i can give you unionfs.o kernel module if this will help. but it's easy to build it. also i can give you link to my final codegroups. (for e680) |
| 16:03.33 | ao2 | the most I did with motorola stuff was to copy the whole system to external flash, recompiling my own kernel to boot from mmc device and run an "original" motorola rootfs from external flash (but with the bp in flash mode.. which made the thing quite useless :)) |
| 16:05.07 | drWyrM | dion: please, this would be really helpful. |
| 16:05.27 | drWyrM | dion: your cgs are with blob2 also? |
| 16:05.36 | dion | no :( |
| 16:05.41 | dion | http://xen.inhex.net/ezx/ |
| 16:06.45 | dion | I can't create blob2-enabled cgs now, because i can't test it. (USB is broken on my phone). |
| 16:07.54 | dion | i can't charge my phone too |
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| 16:19.27 | drWyrM | ao2: you should try flashing. Its fun. blob2 makes testing cycles much faster because you dont need to flash again to test code with bp in normal mode. And theres almost no risk. |
| 16:20.07 | ao2 | Yes, I think I will try blob2 very soon |
| 16:20.31 | drWyrM | ao2: all kinds of windoze users with absolutely no technical knowledge are able to flash. with cracked and black market unstable windows apps... |
| 16:20.53 | drWyrM | ao2: u r lacking just the courage. :) |
| 16:21.49 | ao2 | well, I appreciate your interest about my self-confidence :) |
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| 22:08.50 | ao2 | bye |
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