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| 03:26.56 | dotmonkey | hi proberts |
| 03:27.04 | proberts | Hey :)! |
| 03:27.30 | dotmonkey | I have read the IRC log,and found that you have some Chinese stuff to be translated? |
| 03:27.32 | proberts | dotmonkey: You don't by any chance happen to be Chinese (PRC)? |
| 03:28.10 | proberts | Yeah - Well, actually just proof read. We got 4 translations of some screen stuff and each one is a little different. |
| 03:28.40 | dotmonkey | And what can I help you? :-) |
| 03:29.47 | proberts | Would you be willing to take a look at the spreadsheet and see if the translations look right (or which are right...) There's about 15 sentences/commands (like "Help Screen", "Save RIngtone", etc...) |
| 03:30.17 | dotmonkey | OK,just send it to my mailbox |
| 03:30.29 | proberts | COOL! Thanks. |
| 03:30.40 | dotmonkey | you are welcome |
| 03:30.54 | proberts | When I finish the product I'll send you a copy with all the bells and whistles! |
| 03:31.15 | proberts | Do you have OpenOffice of MS Office? |
| 03:31.25 | dotmonkey | MS Office |
| 03:31.32 | proberts | Ok - I'll send an XML |
| 03:31.36 | proberts | sorry - XLS |
| 03:31.49 | proberts | Actually - do you have an E2? |
| 03:31.49 | dotmonkey | but txt is enough,isn't it? |
| 03:32.04 | dotmonkey | Of course~ |
| 03:32.26 | dotmonkey | If not,why could I make out the patch for E2? :-) |
| 03:32.37 | proberts | :P |
| 03:33.27 | proberts | Text is fine, it was just easier to organize the language files as a spreadsheet... plus most people here don't have a text editor set up to support unicode. |
| 03:34.02 | dotmonkey | hmm,OK.and have you get my mail address? |
| 03:34.32 | proberts | It's on the OpenEZX mailing list, right? |
| 03:34.41 | dotmonkey | have to go now,I will read your mail sometime later today/ |
| 03:34.49 | proberts | ok - Thanks again! :) |
| 03:34.51 | dotmonkey | Yes,dotmonkey@gmail |
| 03:35.02 | proberts | XieXie :) |
| 03:35.13 | dotmonkey | BuKeQi :-) |
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| 04:16.15 | proberts | dotmonkey: I sent the file off. When ever you have time to look at it is great. It's after work hours here anyway. |
| 04:16.51 | dotmonkey | OK,~ |
| 04:17.12 | proberts | dotmonkey: So, is Chinese your primary language? |
| 04:17.25 | dotmonkey | writing EMU driver now :-) |
| 04:17.39 | dotmonkey | yes,I am born in China Mainland |
| 04:19.20 | proberts | Wow. Your English is really good. From reading your posts, I would have thought English was either your first language or another close language like German. |
| 04:21.27 | dotmonkey | :) |
| 04:21.41 | proberts | dotmonkey: Thanks again. (headed home) |
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| 06:26.24 | proberts | Anyone know how to remove an installed mpkg file? |
| 06:27.41 | proberts | (through the menu system) ... doesn't seem like it can be done. e2mod's tutorial has the user text edit the menu files |
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| 07:04.07 | dotmonkey | hi proberts |
| 07:04.24 | proberts | hi |
| 07:04.49 | dotmonkey | I have finished the translation and replied the email |
| 07:05.02 | proberts | sweet! THANKS! |
| 07:05.37 | dotmonkey | But I just translated the words in the pictures,I can not access the xls file |
| 07:06.38 | dotmonkey | Because "CRC error" |
| 07:06.38 | proberts | ok... weren't the pictures already in Chinese? |
| 07:07.28 | dotmonkey | yes |
| 07:08.03 | proberts | Ah - ok... that's actually good, since your translation back to english matches the original. |
| 07:09.07 | dotmonkey | you have the original version? |
| 07:09.11 | proberts | Did the words for "Ringtone" and "select/OK" match the common names for those things in Chinese? |
| 07:09.48 | dotmonkey | yeah~ |
| 07:10.22 | dotmonkey | Ringtone is "Ling Sheng".. |
| 07:10.47 | dotmonkey | can not input chinese words under my ARCH Linux..:-( |
| 07:12.03 | proberts | Yeah - We had it first in English and had someone do a translation for us, but it was an older guy that hasn't lived in China for quite a while and he didn't even know what a Ringtone was. So then we had a friend's wife do it, but she's actually from Taiwan. Then another guy did one for us, but Chinese wasn't his first language, so it was very different from the first two. So then he had his friend do another one, which is what |
| 07:12.03 | proberts | we used. |
| 07:12.03 | dotmonkey | Ringtone is 铃声 :-) |
| 07:12.08 | dotmonkey | Copy from google |
| 07:12.28 | proberts | What does "Linn Sheng" translate to literally? |
| 07:13.45 | dotmonkey | Ringtone is 铃声,ling sheng is the prounciation. |
| 07:14.00 | proberts | Do you have OpenOffice? It should work with unicode regardless of the underlying OS I think. |
| 07:15.36 | proberts | What type of work do you do there (in China)? |
| 07:15.47 | dotmonkey | Haven't install that :-(,the network is so slow.I you like I will install now,but you must waiting for long |
| 07:16.10 | dotmonkey | I have no job now,I am a colledge student~ |
| 07:16.51 | dotmonkey | But it's time for me to find job now. |
| 07:17.01 | proberts | No, the translation you did back to english is great. I was just suggesting OpenOffice if you wanted Unicode editing in Linux. |
| 07:17.07 | proberts | What are you studying? |
| 07:17.35 | dotmonkey | Construction management :-) |
| 07:18.02 | proberts | So being a linux guru is just a hobby? :P |
| 07:18.19 | dotmonkey | I even dont install chinese input method in linux,I just do programming works in Linux |
| 07:19.06 | dotmonkey | yeah,but I think I will find a job about computer rather than construction. |
| 07:22.39 | proberts | What sort of computer stuff are you interested in doing? Which languages/platforms do you work with? (If we can talk someone into paying for our software, we'll need some help porting and localizing for the Chinese mobile market) |
| 07:23.07 | dotmonkey | BTW:what's RMX? |
| 07:24.37 | proberts | http://www.lowermars.com/RMX_Partners/RMX_Announce.html |
| 07:24.53 | dotmonkey | I am interesting in embedded programming,and familiar with asm(x86&arm platform)/C language. |
| 07:25.00 | proberts | Ringtone (truetone) remixer |
| 07:25.23 | dotmonkey | But all the knowledges is learned by myself. |
| 07:25.43 | proberts | cool. That's where we're trying to make our mark. We want to create native-api apps (no j2me) for mobile devices. |
| 07:26.04 | dotmonkey | Really? |
| 07:26.30 | dotmonkey | I have another study on that,Chinese as well |
| 07:26.55 | dotmonkey | have found QTE in the phone :) |
| 07:27.07 | proberts | Yeah. Too many people flooding the market with j2me games/apps. |
| 07:28.11 | dotmonkey | I dont like java very much,though it's the first programming language I learned. |
| 07:28.20 | proberts | Every time we show RMX off on a phone, people are blown away, because they're used to seeing all the crappy J2me stuff. (The head of Motorola US Development said it was the most amazing java app he'd ever seen :P ) |
| 07:29.01 | dotmonkey | What company do you work for? |
| 07:30.13 | proberts | Well... sort of "Lower Mars, LLC" ... it's my own company with 2 partners. Although I'm there full-time, I hesitate to say I'm working there, since I'm not getting paid and living off savings :P |
| 07:30.39 | dotmonkey | :) |
| 07:30.50 | proberts | well... and some freelance work here and there. I also do visual effects for tv/film. |
| 07:32.02 | dotmonkey | But it's hard to sold software in China,there are so many crackers. |
| 07:32.33 | proberts | There's a distributor we've let have a 3-month license of RMX that's meeting next month with 2 companies in China. One is Motorola PRC, the other is some company that is tied in with China Mobile and Foxcon. |
| 07:34.02 | proberts | RMX doesn't really have that problem. The main thing that drives income are plug-ins called "MixPacks", which contain new samples and ringtones to play with. |
| 07:34.07 | dotmonkey | RMX is native app now? |
| 07:34.49 | proberts | :P Well, I've hacked it so it works on an E2. It's running legit on Symbian (and desktop Linux) |
| 07:35.30 | dotmonkey | Really?But there's no SDK for E2 released!... |
| 07:35.50 | dotmonkey | will you tell me how did you hack it? :) |
| 07:35.56 | proberts | I've got a low-level API I wrote for the E2 I'll release as soon as I have a chance to write up some docs for it. |
| 07:36.32 | dotmonkey | dont forget gvie me a copy first~ :-) |
| 07:36.34 | proberts | Although if you want a copy now I'll happily send one to you.... it's just the only docs are the example program's comments. |
| 07:36.51 | proberts | just a sec... I'll tarball it and send it over. |
| 07:37.00 | dotmonkey | Thanks~ |
| 07:37.31 | proberts | i started porting multipac and mame over as well, but haven't had a chance to finish it. |
| 07:38.23 | dotmonkey | But how did you get the function defines? |
| 07:39.38 | dotmonkey | s/defines/definitions/ |
| 07:40.16 | dotmonkey | thanks purl |
| 07:40.17 | proberts | There's some ezx API protos/headers I made from disassembling the .so's, but there's a lot of hackery and it's a very "low level" API. For example, all the gfx are through the framebuffer device, which is wrapped in the API. |
| 07:41.05 | dotmonkey | but we cannot get the type of the return value,can we? |
| 07:41.41 | proberts | The main things are two kernel modules. One usurps the keypad and the other power management |
| 07:42.06 | dotmonkey | and I get segment falults when I tried to excute programs link with libqte-mt |
| 07:43.01 | dotmonkey | Maybe the kernel modules are more easy?Moto has release the source of them. |
| 07:44.06 | proberts | There's headers for some of the libezx*.so stuff I needed, but not a ton of stuff. |
| 07:45.00 | dotmonkey | the same as those of A768? |
| 07:45.33 | proberts | I tried doing stuff first with QTe but had the same problem. I think Mot must have customized a lot of stuff... plus every app also loads all the Zapp stuff in addition to the Qapp QTe stuff. |
| 07:45.40 | proberts | Do you have dev-ezx installed? |
| 07:46.38 | proberts | :( The whole tgz is only 29k! I feel like I've done more work that that on it. :P |
| 07:49.01 | dotmonkey | It seems that Moto used a lot of Z classes rather than Q classes which may works well. |
| 07:49.29 | dotmonkey | dev-ezx?do you mean the header files and the toolchain? |
| 07:53.02 | proberts | the toolchain and standard headers, yeah. The directory paths in the makefiles (2 of them) are set up for compiling in a subdirectory of the dev-ezx directory, but that's mainly for finding the EZX so's during linking. (so you may need to change that) |
| 07:55.16 | dotmonkey | have you dumped out the classes and functions of EZX-SOs? |
| 07:56.46 | proberts | Some of the functions, yes. In the include directory there are headers with protos for some of the functions in libezxappbase.so, libezxpm.so, libezxsound.so, and libezxtapi.so |
| 07:57.33 | proberts | But I didn't need anything high-level to get RMX running as a demo on the E2... so there's no window or sound server stuff. |
| 07:58.31 | dotmonkey | the libraries use the stand CXX-ABI,but I knows too little about C++,will you write a tool to dump all the libraries? |
| 07:58.51 | dotmonkey | That's Great! |
| 07:59.16 | dotmonkey | Got your mail,Thanks again :) |
| 08:00.57 | proberts | you can get some info with 'readelf -a --wide libfoo.so | c++filt' and compare that with an disassembly dump from objdump. I've been using a demo of IdaPRO, but it's going to expire soon and doens't work that great for ELF stuff anyway, so I want to write something native in Linux that does what Ida does... or at least what I was using it for. It should be too hard to write... finding the time will be harder. |
| 08:02.31 | dotmonkey | IDA Pro just couldn't show the C++ symbol names |
| 08:03.08 | dotmonkey | there are a lot of functions whose name start with _Z,they are all C++ functions |
| 08:04.08 | dotmonkey | I need a tool to convert the _Z functions names to C++ class/function names. |
| 08:04.51 | proberts | There's an option in Ida under "demangle names" to "assume GCC 3.X names" (or similar) that will demangle the symbols correcly, although you have to refresh all the list windows to see it. |
| 08:05.19 | proberts | if you dump them out with readelf, c++filt will give you the correct protos. |
| 08:05.54 | dotmonkey | Got it,thanks~ |
| 08:06.14 | proberts | np |
| 08:06.41 | proberts | It's too bad it's not easier to get the object variables. :P |
| 08:12.48 | proberts | dotmoneky: What firmware version does your E2 have? |
| 08:13.40 | dotmonkey | 45P |
| 08:13.46 | proberts | cool. |
| 08:13.57 | dotmonkey | why? |
| 08:14.37 | proberts | To see if libxze2 worked with it if you had a firmware I didn''t (I have 45P and 33P) |
| 08:15.08 | dotmonkey | how can I do to clean out the unuseful messages in the result of 'readelf -a --wide libfoo.so | c++filt'? |
| 08:15.21 | dotmonkey | I just want the function protos. |
| 08:16.17 | proberts | (looking) |
| 08:17.29 | dotmonkey | what's libezx2?I can not find it in my E2. |
| 08:17.40 | proberts | that's my API. |
| 08:17.56 | proberts | sorry - "libxze2" |
| 08:18.32 | dotmonkey | and how did you make out the lib? |
| 08:18.51 | dotmonkey | and what does it including? |
| 08:19.41 | proberts | Check the example programs and include directory for a full list, but it gives an app low-level gfx, audio, keypad, and power management access. |
| 08:20.13 | dotmonkey | OK~Thanks |
| 08:20.17 | proberts | ...although gfx and audio are just wrappers to /dev/fb0 and /dev/dsp |
| 08:22.57 | proberts | ok ... try this: |
| 08:23.22 | proberts | readelf --relocs libfoo.so | c++filt | grep ARM_JUMP_SLOT | grep -v 00000000 | awk '{printf("%s\n",$5)}' |
| 08:24.04 | proberts | oops... sorry... you also need "--wide" |
| 08:24.06 | proberts | so... |
| 08:24.52 | proberts | readelf --wide --relocs libfoo.so | c++filt | grep ARM_JUMP_SLOT | grep -v 00000000 | awk '{printf("%s\n",$5)}' |
| 08:25.49 | proberts | you can add 'sort' to the end to help. |
| 08:25.56 | proberts | get a better output. |
| 08:26.19 | proberts | Oh - crap.. awk is truncating the arguments. |
| 08:26.28 | proberts | just a sec again... |
| 08:28.53 | dotmonkey | Great thanks~ |
| 08:29.18 | proberts | readelf --wide --relocs libezxappbase.so | c++filt | grep ARM_JUMP_SLOT | grep -v 00000000 | awk -F ' ' '{printf("%s\n",$7)}' | sort |
| 08:31.07 | proberts | ok ... one better |
| 08:31.13 | proberts | readelf --wide --relocs libezxappbase.so | c++filt | grep ARM_JUMP_SLOT | grep -v 00000000 | awk -F ' ' '{printf("%s\n",$4)}' | sort |
| 08:32.18 | proberts | although a few mangled names seem to not be demangled, and there are multiple destructors with the same proto, but I'm not sure why. |
| 08:33.38 | proberts | Hmmm.... looks like there are duplicate constructor protos as well. |
| 08:34.09 | dotmonkey | you can read the C++ ABI,it will tell you why duplicate constructors exist. |
| 08:35.06 | proberts | ok . thanks |
| 08:35.31 | dotmonkey | but I couldn't understand it :-) |
| 08:35.44 | proberts | I'd like to know how the linker knows which one to link; |
| 08:36.49 | dotmonkey | Cool!The result dump by your command is so beatiful~ |
| 08:40.58 | proberts | thnx :P |
| 08:45.37 | dotmonkey | another question:how can we dump the functions imported by a problem? |
| 08:47.23 | proberts | oh - one thing on libxze2 that's not in the example apps yet. If you have the screensaver enabled on your phone and write an app that uses libxze2, you'll need to call UTIL_SetScreensaverStatus(0) when you want to make sure the screen saver is off (like when processing keypad input or updating the screen) |
| 08:47.27 | proberts | checking... |
| 08:48.26 | dotmonkey | OK,thanks |
| 08:48.50 | proberts | for imports, I think you can just remove the '-v' from the second grep |
| 08:52.32 | dotmonkey | readelf will read the imported function with "--relocs"? |
| 08:52.32 | proberts | relocs dumps the plt as well |
| 08:52.32 | proberts | yeah - that appears to work (remove the -v) |
| 08:52.35 | dotmonkey | Thanks for your so much help,must going to have supper now,cu. |
| 08:52.44 | proberts | np .. thanks again for checking the translations. |
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