| 00:02.07 | stefan_schmidt | dion: http://wiki.openezx.org/Mux_cli |
| 00:02.43 | proberts_ | Have you guys figured out what sends the AP side init to the BP yet? |
| 00:03.46 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: AT+USBSTAT |
| 00:04.15 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: alphaone and dion figured this out today. |
| 00:04.44 | proberts_ | Which app send it though? |
| 00:04.49 | proberts_ | s/send/sends/ |
| 00:05.09 | proberts_ | dion/alphaone: Congrats BTW! |
| 00:05.12 | stefan_schmidt | Now we can figure out the last bugs with the 2.6 mux_cli driver and test it with opentapi |
| 00:06.27 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: We did not traced the sender app just test the commands yet. |
| 00:06.56 | alphaone | proberts: Thanks |
| 00:10.00 | alphaone | proberts: Reverse engineering the AT commands is on my priority below fixing kernel 2.6, so... |
| 00:30.31 | proberts_ | Any of you guys have a suggestions how I can anonymously release my EZX API and still provide support somehow? |
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| 00:39.47 | alphaone | proberts_: I don't really understand what you are trying to do... |
| 00:47.03 | proberts_ | I need something like an anonymous source forge. I want to release my API as OS, but can't have it tracked back for me because we're (company ) trying to get a real API to do business with Motorola |
| 00:52.47 | alphaone | Hmm |
| 00:56.00 | alphaone | Probably all these portals require that you provide your real name |
| 00:57.15 | proberts_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.17 | alphaone | How about using Trac on a friend's Server? |
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| 08:25.45 | dion | hi all.. just wake up |
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| 08:54.38 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:14.35 | koen | stefan_schmidt: you have mail :) |
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| 10:53.54 | dotmonkey_ | nh_work:are you avaible now? |
| 11:10.34 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
| 11:10.51 | koen | hey stefan_schmidt |
| 11:12.49 | alphaone | morning all |
| 11:13.17 | koen | hey alphaone |
| 11:13.23 | stefan_schmidt | koen: You mean email or snail mail? |
| 11:13.45 | koen | both :) |
| 11:14.17 | stefan_schmidt | koen: heh |
| 11:15.41 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I take a look at tracking system. :) |
| 11:15.59 | koen | it won't enter the system till midnight |
| 11:16.32 | stefan_schmidt | ah, ok |
| 11:24.06 | alphaone | :-) |
| 11:24.14 | alphaone | New toys |
| 11:31.15 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: When was I supposed to be home again? |
| 11:31.34 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: 14:00 |
| 11:33.40 | alphaone | Thanks :-) |
| 11:44.28 | stefan_schmidt | wb mickeyl |
| 11:45.01 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 12:37.36 | ao2 | mmh, dumb me, how to add a new page to the wiki? |
| 12:37.55 | mickeyl | call a non-existing page via web browser |
| 12:38.02 | mickeyl | or add a WikiName to another page |
| 12:38.02 | koen | then click 'edit' |
| 12:38.03 | mickeyl | and then call that |
| 12:38.45 | stefan_schmidt | bbl |
| 12:38.46 | ao2 | thanks |
| 12:38.58 | koen | mickeyl: any life in the prototype? |
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| 12:41.38 | dotmonkey_ | is there anyone working on ROKR E2 now? |
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| 12:48.28 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 13:56.23 | [g2] | koen I noticed on the ML that opentapi is in OE |
| 13:56.42 | koen | yep |
| 13:56.50 | [g2] | is there an angstrom build for the A780 in OE too ? |
| 13:57.07 | koen | sure |
| 13:57.17 | koen | MACHINE=a780 DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 |
| 13:57.36 | [g2] | does that build and boot ? |
| 13:57.52 | koen | it booted last I tried |
| 13:58.06 | koen | but my a780 is on its way to germany :) |
| 13:59.04 | stefan_schmidt | koen: We try it for you. :) |
| 13:59.22 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt are you getting koen's phone on loan ? |
| 13:59.33 | koen | yes |
| 13:59.44 | [g2] | lucky phone :) |
| 14:00.00 | [g2] | to be cared for by both koen and stefan_schmidt :) |
| 14:00.20 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:00.49 | [g2] | koen OE still builds the usb dl tool too correct ? |
| 14:00.58 | koen | it should |
| 14:02.32 | [g2] | koen. Ok so one should be able to build an OE a780/angstrom-2007.1 that boots and runs via USB that can be used as a testing platform for AP-BP comms right ? |
| 14:02.49 | koen | yes |
| 14:04.20 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt and the last thing, the phone stays up if loaded via USB, but you guys are in the final stages of figuring out keeping the phone up when booted from flash correct ? |
| 14:05.27 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: We are in the final stage with having working mux_cli from a flashed kernel. |
| 14:06.16 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt :) so the keep-alive is solved now ? |
| 14:06.27 | nh_work | dotmonkey_: I'm here now |
| 14:07.02 | nh_work | dotmonkey_: I'm not doing much with the E2 right now. proberts_ has been a lot more active than I have, but I know most of the progress that has been made so far... |
| 14:07.06 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: It seems to be the AT+USBSTAT from userspce. But we still need to fix some things in mux_cli to verify this. |
| 14:07.34 | [g2] | congrats and great work to all involved ! |
| 14:08.29 | nh_work | stefan: that's great. I wonder if we can make usb booting/rootfs work on the E2 as well... |
| 14:10.49 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: That's what dotmoney suggested on the ml. It would be fine if you could verify this with your E2 and the modified boot_usb |
| 14:11.39 | nh_work | stefan: I'd like to. We'll see how much time I have. Work is going to be crazy for the next month. :( I'm in charge of too many projects. |
| 14:14.33 | nh_work | stefan: I read the mailing list, but I didn't see what needed to be changed to make usb boot work on the E2? |
| 14:15.43 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: dotmonkey attached a modefied version of boot_usb. Need to make a diff to see the changes. |
| 14:16.36 | nh_work | oh, I see |
| 14:16.45 | nh_work | took me a bit to find it |
| 14:17.43 | jonwil | so right now a flashed phone will stay allive and function normally if you send the AT+USBSTAT command to the BP, right? |
| 14:18.01 | koen | jonwil: it should |
| 14:18.06 | jonwil | And a kernel booted over USB leaves the BP in "flash mode", correct? |
| 14:18.31 | jonwil | which means you cant talk to the BP at all |
| 14:19.08 | jonwil | also, if I understand correctly, the 2.6 EZX patchset we have has some USB issues preventing mux_cli from talking to the BP, right? |
| 14:20.44 | alphaone | jonwil: Yeah, under 2.6 opentapi cannot open the mux devices |
| 14:20.44 | stefan_schmidt | all right |
| 14:21.14 | jonwil | so do we have any solution for the boot_usb = bp in flash mode? |
| 14:21.22 | jonwil | or is that something that is unfixable? |
| 14:21.55 | stefan_schmidt | We don't know right now. |
| 14:22.12 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:22.22 | stefan_schmidt | There are some hints that a BP reset could work. But we never good it working. |
| 14:22.34 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:22.38 | koen | what about using passthrough and loading mux_cli on your workstation? |
| 14:23.12 | jonwil | in any case flashing kernel to phone is the option most people want |
| 14:23.48 | jonwil | i.e. getting boot_usb to talk to the BP is less important than getting flashed-to-phone to talk to BP and stay alive and stuff |
| 14:24.12 | jonwil | Has anyone been able to get a working BLOB build (for e.g. e680 or a780) that can be reflashed to the phone? |
| 14:24.28 | stefan_schmidt | koen: We thought about this, but it would mean we need to port the mux_cli to x86 first... |
| 14:24.56 | koen | mux_cli isn't arm specific, right? |
| 14:25.14 | koen | it's just and usb2vuart demuxer |
| 14:25.17 | alphaone | So the handshake works again |
| 14:25.53 | stefan_schmidt | koen: ATM there are arm specific bits inside, as it was only ported from the 2.4 moto version. :( |
| 14:26.00 | alphaone | And I think after first handshake completion some interrupt handler is removed, but I'm not sure ATM |
| 14:26.12 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: You can test it. :) |
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| 14:26.32 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: So can you :-) |
| 14:26.44 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: When we ever have a working JTAG setup we will test to flash another bootloader. |
| 14:26.50 | nh_work | stefan: have you had any recent communication with moto? |
| 14:27.10 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: No, no recent. Why you ask? |
| 14:27.34 | nh_work | stefan: just curious if they know or care about the progress that's been made recently. |
| 14:27.47 | jonwil | Have motorola compiled with GPL on EZX phones yet |
| 14:27.53 | jonwil | or are there phones that they are in violation on? |
| 14:28.09 | jonwil | whats the progress with JTAG? |
| 14:29.07 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: We should know the right testpads now, but don't get it working. But atm is has low priority for us. |
| 14:29.14 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:29.26 | jonwil | is it because the jtag device you guys have is not the right kind |
| 14:29.31 | jonwil | or right settings? |
| 14:29.48 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: They still have my email from further contacs. I guess they are just not interested in our work. |
| 14:30.07 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: Settings. We have three different JTAGs here. :) |
| 14:30.45 | nh_work | stefan: I think we will very quickly have a better kernel than they do. |
| 14:32.36 | stefan_schmidt | nh_work: That's what I hope. But it seems they are not interested in improving it after the have shipped it. Company style. |
| 14:32.39 | koen | [g2]: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20061219/a780/ |
| 14:32.56 | nh_work | stefan: I suppose. It's odd that they would use linux and ignore one of the most useful aspects of using it. |
| 14:33.28 | jonwil | Also you have to remember that the standards moto set for what they ship and support are much higher than the standards openezx set |
| 14:33.30 | nh_work | At least the phones are open enough for us to work with. |
| 14:33.44 | [g2] | koen THX, are you planning on having binary releases available ? |
| 14:33.53 | nh_work | jonwil: I'm not convinced of that. :P |
| 14:33.59 | koen | [g2]: ? |
| 14:34.54 | [g2] | koen that's a daily build right ? |
| 14:35.19 | [g2] | ok a snapshot build |
| 14:35.30 | koen | [g2]: right |
| 14:37.12 | jonwil | One thing is that motorola probobly wont use anything as a base other than what MontaVista are willing to provide |
| 14:37.22 | jonwil | perhaps the next EZX phones will contain a 2.6.x kernel |
| 14:37.50 | vmaster | heh, with x < 10 ;) |
| 14:38.48 | jonwil | I hope openmoko ends up having the featureset that users actually want |
| 14:39.28 | nh_work | it'll probably take a while. |
| 14:39.40 | jonwil | the software can be improved |
| 14:39.48 | jonwil | as long as openmoko has the right hardware in there |
| 14:39.55 | nh_work | yeah, the advantage of opensource. :) |
| 14:40.24 | jonwil | From reading the specs on the openmoko page the one item that should be included that isnt is Bluetooth |
| 14:40.26 | jonwil | full bluetooth |
| 14:40.42 | [g2] | I think MV announced what the next mobile platform will look like: iirc gcc 4.2 and 2.6.18 |
| 14:40.58 | jonwil | with the possibility to support all bluetooth bits (OBEX, A2DP etc) |
| 14:41.08 | [g2] | I think it's scheduled for Q1/Q2 '07 |
| 14:41.19 | koen | gcc 4.2 hasn't even been released yet :) |
| 14:41.27 | jonwil | I would actually say that Bluetooth would be a much more usefull thing to have on the openmoko phone than GPS |
| 14:41.31 | [g2] | I know |
| 14:41.44 | [g2] | but it's not Q2 '07 yet either |
| 14:41.53 | [g2] | it could be all FUD |
| 14:41.54 | jonwil | although IIRC some kind of location functionality is required by the FCC in the US for 911 functions |
| 14:41.57 | nh_work | Are they using bluez? |
| 14:42.12 | jonwil | is who using bluez? |
| 14:42.15 | jonwil | Montavista? |
| 14:42.17 | nh_work | yeah |
| 14:42.17 | jonwil | OpenMoko? |
| 14:42.22 | jonwil | I have no clue |
| 14:42.22 | nh_work | montavista |
| 14:42.34 | jonwil | Although motorola wrote their own bluetooth stack for EZX IIRC |
| 14:42.49 | nh_work | yeah, I couldn't remember if it was moto that wrote it or MV |
| 14:42.54 | [g2] | koen http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2533860956.html |
| 14:42.59 | jonwil | do we have anything that can talk to the bluetooth on the EZX platform yet? |
| 14:42.59 | koen | moto also used MV professional instead of MV mobile |
| 14:43.10 | jonwil | or is that something we need to reverse engineer and figure out? |
| 14:46.13 | jonwil | libtapi exports some bluetooth related APIs |
| 14:46.31 | mickeyl | FWIW, OpenMoko will use BlueZ, if we have BT on the device. |
| 14:46.45 | jonwil | I suspect that some of the unknown AT commands are used to tell the BP to tell the bluetooth chip what to do |
| 14:47.41 | jonwil | Given how ubiquitious Bluetooth is on phones these days, not having bluetooth on a phone with all these other features would be a shame IMO |
| 14:47.59 | jonwil | even if adding bluetooth means adding more to the cost of the phone, people would probobly ok with that |
| 14:48.04 | jonwil | and would pay more for bluetooth |
| 14:48.20 | mickeyl | that's what I told all who listened to me |
| 14:48.56 | jonwil | I guess it also depends on what bluetooth chips are available that can talk to the Samsung Soc |
| 14:49.46 | jonwil | I dont see a GPS chip as being all that usefull IMO |
| 14:50.05 | jonwil | but thats just me |
| 14:51.22 | mickeyl | oh, for me it is |
| 14:51.29 | mickeyl | can't wait to implement automatic profile switching based on location |
| 14:51.47 | jonwil | ok, yeah, a GPS chip is usefull |
| 14:52.11 | mickeyl | i agree if I have to chose I'd take BT everytime |
| 14:52.23 | SuN | I wonder if that can be done by using cell identification numbers. |
| 14:52.54 | mickeyl | cell granularity is varying a lot |
| 14:53.00 | SuN | Like, if you're on the cell closest to your home, turn on bluetooth and try syncing. |
| 14:53.03 | koen | with max 30km radius |
| 14:53.21 | jonwil | if they do do BT hopefully it will do all the things that most phones cant (like A2DP stereo for exmple) |
| 14:53.43 | mickeyl | i'm not sure which level of hw support a2dp needs |
| 14:53.51 | mickeyl | it's probably not just a software thing |
| 14:53.55 | jonwil | will openmoko have a Java VM? |
| 14:54.07 | mickeyl | if someone ports one... |
| 14:54.10 | koen | some sun dude said he'd look at it |
| 14:54.26 | jonwil | Sun are planning to release a reference J2ME VM |
| 14:54.33 | jonwil | with support for various bits of the standard |
| 14:54.39 | jonwil | so porting one seems definatly possible |
| 14:55.40 | mickeyl | it all boils down to which widget set they choose for their reference implementation |
| 14:55.51 | mickeyl | if it's gtk+, chances are good we see something |
| 14:56.33 | jonwil | surprised that openmoko is going GTK when most phones seem to be going with QT |
| 14:56.47 | jonwil | or is QT not "free" enough for openmoko |
| 14:57.15 | koen | qtopia hasn't been GPL for over a year |
| 14:57.23 | koen | so it's "not free at all" |
| 14:57.29 | mickeyl | Qt isn't LGPL, that's it. |
| 14:57.47 | mickeyl | I would loved to use Qt, but they wanted LGPL |
| 14:57.48 | jonwil | I know QT was GPL |
| 14:58.14 | mickeyl | Qtopia is something entirely different which was no option |
| 14:58.18 | mickeyl | because FIC wanted X11 |
| 14:58.39 | koen | smart FIC :) |
| 15:02.36 | nh_work | Last time I did gtk I wasn't terribly fond of it though. :/ |
| 15:02.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:03.02 | mickeyl | i have an ambivalent relationship to gtk as well |
| 15:03.13 | mickeyl | it sucks for some things |
| 15:03.17 | mickeyl | as does Qt |
| 15:03.20 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 15:03.30 | mickeyl | my choice had been EFL |
| 15:03.34 | mickeyl | if it was only me |
| 15:06.31 | nh_work | mickeyl: I haven't played around with Raster's stuff in a while. I probably haven't been giving him a fair shake lately. |
| 15:06.46 | nh_work | I used to hang out in #e on efnet years ago. |
| 15:07.06 | mickeyl | nh_home: you really should. It's exciting stuff. Edje is just the bomb. |
| 15:07.43 | nh_work | mickeyl: It seems a lot more useful for mobile/embedded stuff. |
| 15:08.14 | nh_work | mickeyl: I'm not sure what I think of it for the desktop. He's been reluctant to finish things in the past. :) |
| 15:08.31 | mickeyl | absolutely. it's kind of fun that the show-off project is the E window manager and desktop environment, but it's really suitable for embedded systems |
| 15:08.50 | mickeyl | yeah, he rocks at inventing new things, but sucks at maintaining |
| 15:10.04 | nh_work | mickeyl: in some ways I'm surprised that openmoko isn't using efl. gtk always struck me as an odd choice for mobile devices. |
| 15:10.41 | mickeyl | like i said, you won't find too many LGPL'ed "commercial-grade" (whatever that may be) widget sets |
| 15:11.14 | nh_work | mickeyl: yeah, I guess that's the limiting factor. I'm actually suprised we haven't seen some kind of mobile-gtk fork. |
| 15:11.15 | mickeyl | i think there isn't anything besides Gtk and EFL, and EFL has the problem that it's still too new |
| 15:11.28 | koen | nh_home: why would it need a fork? |
| 15:11.30 | mickeyl | nh_home: I'm glad we didn't see one. |
| 15:11.37 | koen | nh_home: look at the disaster qtopia is |
| 15:11.38 | mickeyl | nh_home: but we raised awareness |
| 15:11.49 | mickeyl | which is much more important mid-time IMO |
| 15:12.45 | nh_work | koen: I was vaguely wondering if it could be slimmed down significantly, but I honestly haven't looked at it recently enough to judge such matters. :) |
| 15:13.45 | nh_work | btw, how hard is it to add new widgets like the openmoko guys are doing? |
| 15:14.13 | mickeyl | that depends on how many compromises regarding styling you want to do |
| 15:14.20 | mickeyl | simple compound widgets are a breeze |
| 15:14.28 | mickeyl | couple of minutes :) |
| 15:14.40 | mickeyl | completely new widgets take more time of course |
| 15:15.12 | mickeyl | one widget took me two weeks full time :/ |
| 15:15.23 | mickeyl | because of X11 transparency issues |
| 15:15.26 | nh_work | mickeyl: are any of the openmoko widgets going up stream? |
| 15:15.52 | mickeyl | nh_home: i don't think so, they're too specialized to achieve a certain style |
| 15:15.56 | mickeyl | however |
| 15:16.05 | mickeyl | they will point out where Gtk+ needs more degrees of freedom |
| 15:16.11 | mickeyl | which is a good starting point for patches |
| 15:19.36 | nh_work | mickeyl: I wonder if GPE will adopt any of your widgets. It'd be nice if some kind of standard emerged. |
| 15:21.00 | florian_kc | that's definitely a good idea to think about... |
| 15:23.39 | mickeyl | yeah. GPE has done quite a lot of good things for embedded stuff, but at the same time it shows its historical growth. A bit of a fresh injection won't hurt |
| 15:27.41 | florian_kc | exactly... but a common device backend to run the frontends on would be even more important. |
| 15:30.57 | mickeyl | full ACK |
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| 15:45.21 | robtaylor | mickeyl: i've always thought an gdk backend for Evas would be interesting .. |
| 15:45.36 | robtaylor | probably require some changes in GTK though, due to it being stored mode |
| 15:46.02 | koen | robtaylor: you're everywhere! |
| 15:46.46 | robtaylor | koen: lol, well i do keep my irsssi window at 166 columns ;) |
| 15:47.58 | mickeyl | robtaylor: yeah. now that they went towards cairo this will be unlikely. then again, as long as Evas contains an X11 backend we might see some EFL apps on openmoko sooner or later ;) |
| 15:48.41 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah, thats true, i was a bit shocked to fins that cairo is now part of gdk's abi, which completely sucks |
| 15:48.49 | robtaylor | *find |
| 15:49.07 | mickeyl | it's a tough indirection and they payd badly for it |
| 15:49.16 | koen | especially the reasoning |
| 15:49.30 | koen | "we will include cairo in the hope it will be fast in the future" |
| 15:50.03 | robtaylor | i think my comment on it at GMAE 'stabby stabby stabby abi stab them all to death' |
| 15:50.22 | robtaylor | =) |
| 15:50.51 | robtaylor | but tbf cairo is getting a lot faster now |
| 15:51.13 | robtaylor | gtk mainline is now almost as fast as 2.6 was |
| 15:51.17 | koen | 'faster', not 'fast' |
| 15:51.36 | robtaylor | koen: yeah, inded, but enough fasters can give you fast ;) |
| 15:51.41 | koen | nokia was a big help with giving out 770s like candy :) |
| 15:52.02 | robtaylor | yeah, cworth now tests cairo on the 770 regularly |
| 15:58.58 | jonwil | what is a 770? |
| 15:59.20 | dion | nokia |
| 16:03.07 | robtaylor | nokia.com/770 |
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| 16:21.06 | jonwil | what connectivity options does 770 have? |
| 16:21.07 | jonwil | GSM? |
| 16:21.10 | jonwil | UMTS? |
| 16:21.12 | jonwil | WiFi? |
| 16:21.15 | mickeyl | bt+wifi |
| 16:21.17 | mickeyl | it's not a phone |
| 16:21.20 | jonwil | ok |
| 16:22.19 | jonwil | I think where we are headed though is a full PC (laptop/tablet/whatever) with GSM (or more likely UMTS with HSDPA) built right in |
| 16:22.37 | jonwil | so it appears to windows just like a network card with a special driver |
| 16:23.05 | jonwil | then again its more likely that people will use UMTS PC cards for that |
| 16:24.32 | jonwil | I think there is a market out there for a phone aimed as busonessmen. Something that has bluetooth plus good software for things like time management and diary functions. |
| 16:24.35 | jonwil | But it wouldnt be a full PDA |
| 16:25.26 | jonwil | more to the point, there is a market out there for a high end phone that ISNT a PDA but which comes without a camera at all |
| 16:25.46 | jonwil | many places have restrictions on visitors (and even employees) bringing camera phones in |
| 16:25.52 | jonwil | but have no restrictions on non camera phones |
| 16:26.03 | jonwil | but all the non camera phones on the market universally suck |
| 16:26.21 | jonwil | so picture a phone like a V3 RAZR minus the camera |
| 16:26.56 | file | they have laptops out there already with cellular connectivity built in |
| 16:27.01 | file | including tablets as well |
| 16:27.26 | jonwil | I didnt know that :) |
| 16:28.01 | file | won't be called the iPhone |
| 16:28.09 | jonwil | why do you say that? |
| 16:28.17 | file | because Cisco has that name and have just started using it |
| 16:28.24 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 16:28.39 | jonwil | maybe it would be the iMobile |
| 16:28.52 | jonwil | or iCell |
| 16:28.53 | robtaylor | iPod phono? |
| 16:29.01 | robtaylor | =) |
| 16:29.03 | file | iSold my soul! |
| 16:29.12 | robtaylor | iCon! |
| 16:29.24 | jonwil | I recon myself that apple would be better off building a new ipod with bluetooth |
| 16:29.37 | robtaylor | oh, i'd like that a lot |
| 16:29.40 | jonwil | and then allowing it to work with all phones |
| 16:29.51 | jonwil | so that for example you could download songs over GPRS on your phone |
| 16:29.52 | koen | iPhony |
| 16:29.55 | jonwil | and put them on your ipod |
| 16:29.58 | file | over GPRS? good golly |
| 16:30.00 | jonwil | over bluetooth |
| 16:30.00 | robtaylor | koen wins |
| 16:30.03 | file | that would take a bit |
| 16:30.14 | jonwil | well whatever data standard is out there |
| 16:30.16 | jonwil | HSDPA |
| 16:30.19 | jonwil | or EDGE |
| 16:30.25 | jonwil | or whatever it is |
| 16:30.31 | file | EVDO, HSDPA, UMTS, EDGE |
| 16:30.48 | jonwil | also the ipod would work like bluetooth headset for the phone |
| 16:31.01 | jonwil | and when call comes in, music on ipod goes on pause |
| 16:31.18 | jonwil | and you can start listening and talking over ipod headphones plus a microphone |
| 16:31.26 | jonwil | after call is ended, music resumes |
| 16:33.26 | jonwil | thinking back to openmoko, another great thing about openmoko is that using any audio file you like as a ringtone (either from removable storage or from built-in flash) should be easy :) |
| 16:33.54 | robtaylor | jonwil: mm, most phones do that already, you know |
| 16:34.11 | jonwil | my motorola L6 required a bit of effort to do it on |
| 16:34.27 | jonwil | it required me to download and install p2k.sys (which may or may not be legal) |
| 16:34.43 | jonwil | and then required me to use a 3rd party program to upload the audio and image files I wanted |
| 16:35.12 | robtaylor | how bizarre |
| 16:35.29 | jonwil | the same was true on my motorola E378i |
| 16:35.53 | robtaylor | on my nokia, you just load on an mp3 using bluetooth, flash, gprs, whatever |
| 16:36.03 | robtaylor | then set it as the ringtone. |
| 16:36.14 | jonwil | over bluetooth it would probobly be different |
| 16:36.23 | jonwil | but I dont have any other bluetooth devices |
| 16:36.39 | jonwil | it is certainly harder to upload stuff over USB than it needs to be |
| 16:37.00 | robtaylor | a usb bluetooth dongle is about 15-20 quid at the momeny |
| 16:37.10 | jonwil | not here in australia it isnt :) |
| 16:37.15 | jonwil | its a fair bit more than that |
| 16:37.18 | jonwil | last I looked |
| 16:38.15 | koen | robtaylor: motorola has never produced a sane or useable OS for a phone |
| 16:38.39 | koen | robtaylor: my a780 with asian firmware requires effort to make a *phonecall* |
| 16:38.58 | robtaylor | koen: yeah, i've got an a780 too, it really sucks =) |
| 16:39.01 | koen | my nokia 6021 with stockfirmware is a lot more usuable |
| 16:39.10 | jonwil | I like my L6 |
| 16:39.21 | robtaylor | yeah nokia's have always had the best ui |
| 16:39.32 | jonwil | and if I was going to replace it I would probobly go for an E2 ROKR or an L7 or the new RIZR Z1 |
| 16:39.43 | robtaylor | the series 60 stuff was pretty crappy for a while, but even that seems to be sorted now |
| 16:40.10 | robtaylor | jonwil: i'd only use a Motorola phone if i'd replaced the OS with one of my making.. |
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| 17:17.20 | SuN | koen: this is the second time you've accused Motorola of making just crap, but I told you the firmware my E680i has is very different from the A780, even though it might look the same. I thas none of the issues you're describing. |
| 17:17.55 | SuN | It* |
| 17:18.10 | koen | crap software as well |
| 17:18.51 | koen | both can't do anything usefull with bluetooth as well |
| 17:18.52 | SuN | Yeah. But it's not an E680i, so what's the point? |
| 17:19.55 | SuN | And the V70 is 1) ancient and 2) a style phone, not representative at all. |
| 17:20.19 | koen | all recent motophones are style phones |
| 17:20.26 | koen | lets discard all of them |
| 17:20.40 | koen | geee, comparative science is fun |
| 17:21.21 | SuN | (remove context) -> (add your own) -> (profit) |
| 17:21.57 | SuN | We could quarrel about the definition of a style phone. |
| 17:22.36 | SuN | It just hurts me that you discredit all that Motorola has made, while you haven't even used half of what they made. |
| 17:23.36 | koen | v70 -> crap, razr v3 -> crap, a780 -> crap |
| 17:23.52 | koen | those are the phone I have used |
| 17:26.59 | SuN | <koen> robtaylor: motorola has never produced a sane or useable OS for a phone -> so that's a lie, that's the only thing I want to prove. |
| 17:27.36 | koen | not a lie, and extrapolation |
| 17:27.46 | koen | s/and/an/ |
| 17:28.53 | koen | show me a motorola phone I can keep in my pocket and have my powerbook connect to the internet using gprs over bluetooth |
| 17:29.20 | koen | there are none |
| 17:29.46 | koen | you always have to take it out, press 'yes' a zillion times and have it fail for unknown reasons |
| 17:30.48 | SuN | How would I know? I've only touched a handful of Motorola phones. I'm not implying they all connect a powerbook to the internet without issues. |
| 17:30.59 | SuN | But having tried only a handful, I can't say none of them support it. |
| 17:31.28 | koen | you're forgetting the key part |
| 17:31.37 | koen | 'can keep in my pocket' |
| 17:32.00 | koen | I do not want to take it out to press 'yes' 'accept', etc |
| 17:32.21 | SuN | Well those would be the "issues" I was talking about. |
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| 18:55.27 | dion | strage.. /me tried to use 3 SD cards by two different vendors with 2.6 kernrel. Looks like cards by Kingston works and cards by Transcend don't workss. |
| 19:08.20 | nh_work | dion: my 2G card isn't working in my E2. I think it's a Ritek. |
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| 19:48.19 | dion | nh_work: the most interesting is that Kingston card work's fine with 2.4 kernel and don't work with 2.6 |
| 19:50.00 | nh_work | odd |
| 19:52.35 | dion | but non-working card is 2gb. and working one is 1gb.. currently i can't get another 2 gb card to test it |
| 19:54.34 | agd5f | dion: 2 GB cards often report the wrong block size |
| 19:55.05 | agd5f | dion: take a look at the sdhci ML archives for more |
| 19:57.15 | dion | ok..will look |
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| 21:35.59 | proberts | Any of you guys have a suggestion for a good SVN hosting company? |
| 21:36.51 | [g2] | proberts I've been looking around for something like that |
| 21:38.19 | proberts | I just got an email from the one I was using saying they had a hardware problem and lost 100% of everything. What a joke... their business is supposed to be offsite data and they even lost their backups. |
| 21:38.27 | [g2] | I was thinking svn+trac+mantis |
| 21:38.53 | [g2] | or bugzilla |
| 21:39.13 | [g2] | I've seen some that do offsite backups every few hours |
| 21:40.29 | [g2] | oh... and e-mail+spam filtering too |
| 21:40.37 | proberts | This one did weekly, but I guess they must have stored them in the same place. |
| 21:40.43 | [g2] | heh |
| 21:40.54 | [g2] | it's really sad |
| 21:42.54 | proberts | Yeah - they even lost stuff like user accounts. They aren't even a really cheap service. Total joke. I've had drives, servers, and raids crash and have never lost 100%. |
| 21:45.42 | koen | that happens when your primary + secondary machines + offsite backups gets abducted by aliens |
| 21:45.50 | koen | s/gets/get/ |
| 21:46.11 | proberts | :P |
| 21:51.49 | proberts | fyi - the company is called "DevSecure" |
| 21:52.09 | proberts | sorry - DevGuard |
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| 21:57.15 | vmaster | i hope they're out of business now? |
| 21:58.09 | proberts | Not yet... but it's only been one day. I can't imagine anyone who had a repository with them sticking around... even though they're offering everyone who lost data a free month of service. |
| 21:58.51 | vmaster | lol |
| 21:58.55 | koen | heh |
| 21:59.06 | koen | another point for distributed scms |
| 21:59.56 | proberts | They also said if anyone happened to download a personal backup file, they won't charge for the bandwidth to upload it to them so they can restore the repository with it. |
| 22:00.02 | proberts | :P Nice, eh? |
| 22:00.17 | vmaster | yeah, so why are you looking for someone else? |
| 22:02.56 | [g2] | lol |
| 22:03.30 | [g2] | DevGuardToo -- We've been through the mill and have learned from our mistakes ! |
| 22:03.40 | vmaster | hehehe |
| 22:03.50 | proberts | [g2]: Who are you using now? |
| 22:03.58 | [g2] | for SVN ? |
| 22:04.02 | proberts | yeah |
| 22:04.20 | [g2] | I'm not right now. I've got a hosted server, but I'm not running SVN on it |
| 22:04.41 | [g2] | I had svn and trac running on one of my boxes when I had a T1 to the house |
| 22:05.04 | [g2] | but the hosted services is a lot cheap and way faster |
| 22:05.17 | proberts | We have servers here we could run it on, but want an offsite solution, in case there's a fire or burglary, etc... |
| 22:05.36 | [g2] | there are trac+svn plans for like $7 a month with 200G and 2TB dl iirc |
| 22:06.09 | proberts | Price is not as important as reliability (especially now) :P |
| 22:06.15 | [g2] | proberts I'd think you could push the data pretty easily |
| 22:06.34 | [g2] | actually, you could just SVN pull |
| 22:06.54 | [g2] | have a cron job pulling updates every 15 minutes |
| 22:07.35 | [g2] | then poll the backup site to see it hasn't crashed and is still running |
| 22:08.06 | [g2] | I think it also depends on the amount of traffic and repo size |
| 22:08.14 | proberts | I rather just have our company pay to have someone do that for us. Then it's not my problem if it crashes. |
| 22:10.51 | proberts | plus repositories are pretty cheap, as you said. $15-$20/month it seems is top-end. |
| 22:10.53 | [g2] | proberts what else are you looking for with SVN ? |
| 22:11.14 | [g2] | yeah the SVN+trac enterprise is like $15 |
| 22:12.02 | proberts | Just need a offsite central repository to store projects and let various contractors in different countries have version control for porting/localization. |
| 22:12.09 | [g2] | I was thinking a tiered service of like free-to-a-good-cause/5/10/15 based on usage/size |
| 22:12.42 | [g2] | right, and have key'ed access for writes |
| 22:12.56 | [g2] | for nslu2-linux we've got key'd write access |
| 22:12.59 | [g2] | it's kinda nice |
| 22:13.44 | [g2] | generate certs and just revoke them when the contractor/dev is done |
| 22:36.41 | jaebird | koen: I had a V540 moto phone that I kept on my desk just so I could connect to the internet when my wireless broadband went down...no key presses required :) |
| 22:36.56 | jaebird | And it had EDGE built-in |
| 22:37.10 | koen | cool |
| 22:37.16 | jaebird | :) |
| 22:37.19 | koen | over bluetooth? |
| 22:37.22 | koen | or usb cable? |
| 22:37.30 | jaebird | i'll sell it to you when my E2 is openmoko! |
| 22:37.34 | jaebird | bluetooth |
| 22:37.41 | koen | I have a nokia 6021 now |
| 22:37.48 | koen | that just works(tm) |
| 22:37.57 | koen | including sync with osx and great battery time |
| 22:38.04 | jaebird | in some ways it was the best moto phone (better than E2) but no features |
| 22:38.34 | jaebird | my broadband use to be notoriously buggy, so my phone was my backup |
| 22:38.58 | jaebird | Can't seem to figure out if the E2 REALLY has EDGE caps or not :( |
| 22:40.45 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Your wiki changes looks good. |
| 22:41.56 | jaebird | There is only 2wks to January... |
| 22:42.15 | koen | is viewsvn/viewvc installed on svn.openexz.org? |
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| 22:43.04 | ao2 | thanks, I am not sure wheter or not add instruction on how recreate original morotola fs on external flash (it is quite easy to do, some tarring and commenting mount operations) |
| 22:44.17 | stefan_schmidt | koen: It'S on http://svnweb.openezx.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ |
| 22:45.03 | koen | great, thanks |
| 22:45.27 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: If ot can just be done from the system on the phone add it. Perhaps somebody will find it usefull. |
| 22:46.19 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Is there a way to get the tracking site in english? My dutch is not that good. :) |
| 22:46.52 | koen | https://secure.postplaza.nl/tracktrace/ |
| 22:47.06 | koen | fill in 3SRRRK5461265 and press the orange button labeled 'zoeken' |
| 22:47.42 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 22:47.59 | stefan_schmidt | Now he tell my something about postzcode of buitenland |
| 22:48.39 | koen | [x] 'buitenland', leave postalcode blank |
| 22:48.44 | stefan_schmidt | Needs my german postcode? |
| 22:48.48 | stefan_schmidt | ah |
| 22:48.55 | koen | "De verzendstatus van Aangetekend naar het buitenland en Internationaal Pakket Plus Buiten de Europese Unie (CC....) kan niet op deze wijze gevolgd worden." |
| 22:49.12 | koen | which translates to "the clerk lied and you can't track it" |
| 22:49.35 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 22:49.37 | stefan_schmidt | thanks |
| 22:49.55 | koen | it'll probably show 'delivered' once you sign for it |
| 22:49.55 | stefan_schmidt | Strange that they don't have an english version. |
| 22:51.53 | koen | btw, I updated opentapi in angstrom: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=opentapi |
| 22:52.00 | stefan_schmidt | I let you know when it arrived. |
| 22:53.05 | stefan_schmidt | koen: you're fast. :) |
| 22:53.17 | koen | OE is so fast |
| 22:53.24 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 22:54.31 | jaebird | OE = Open Embedded or OpenEZX ? |
| 22:54.39 | koen | OpenEmbedded |
| 22:55.06 | jaebird | what is fast...you guys running OE on something already? |
| 22:55.10 | stefan_schmidt | way to much project names. We should use numbers instead. ;) |
| 22:55.48 | stefan_schmidt | jaebird: OE already runs on _many_ devices. |
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| 22:56.06 | jaebird | :) |
| 22:56.08 | jaebird | phones? |
| 22:56.16 | koen | OE is a buildsystem |
| 22:56.19 | stefan_schmidt | jaebird: The opie and gpe imgas mentoined in the wiki are build with oe. |
| 22:56.21 | koen | not a distribution |
| 22:57.53 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Has Harald submitted bb file for amida already? |
| 22:58.02 | stefan_schmidt | s/file/files/ |
| 22:58.04 | koen | nope |
| 22:58.12 | koen | I've only seen binaries |
| 22:58.20 | koen | I should harass harald for the sources |
| 22:58.23 | koen | gpl and all ;) |
| 22:58.28 | stefan_schmidt | sigh, he should not have so much projects in parallel. |
| 22:58.56 | stefan_schmidt | jaebird: Yes, OpenZaurus is one distro using oe buildsystem. |
| 23:01.15 | jaebird | my dog was hit and killed today by the UPS man...very mixed emotions, like the package -- miss the dog. |
| 23:01.30 | stefan_schmidt | ouch |
| 23:01.38 | proberts | sorry to hear that |
| 23:01.57 | jaebird | she knew better...started chasing cars, probably out of boredom |
| 23:02.12 | stefan_schmidt | :( |
| 23:03.19 | jaebird | hardest part was telling the kids when they got home from school |
| 23:04.26 | jaebird | anyways...it is really cool to see so much progress with these motos, I read this channel every day |
| 23:05.18 | jaebird | i will try to help whenever i can...time just isn't my friend right now |
| 23:10.47 | nh_home | jaebird: I know what you mean.L. |
| 23:10.49 | nh_home | :/ |
| 23:11.35 | jaebird | nh_home: shallow, I know but I wish there would have been some Neo |
| 23:11.40 | jaebird | in the box |
| 23:12.17 | nh_home | jaebird: right now I'm fighting to get a bunch of projects done before our new director arrives. |
| 23:12.40 | nh_home | I'll probably be working like 12-14 hour days for the next 3 weeks. |
| 23:12.48 | jaebird | lucky me...my projects are all around the house, i'm on vac till jan 3 |
| 23:13.26 | jaebird | however I worked a 15 month year this time if avg is 40 hrs / week |
| 23:13.37 | nh_home | jaebird: I guess technically I don't *have* to do this, but I think I'm better off if I do. |
| 23:14.01 | jaebird | nh_home: took me one whole day just to detox |
| 23:14.05 | nh_home | I've heard rumors that he wants to bring with an entirely new code base for one of the projects I'm working on from his old job. |
| 23:14.12 | nh_home | jaebird: I believe it. |
| 23:14.26 | jaebird | what do they think we are made of? |
| 23:14.49 | jaebird | Sometimes having fun with the fam is a good thing... |
| 23:15.47 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah. My wife is pregnant right now. Once we have the baby I'm going to have to stop working so much. |
| 23:15.52 | jaebird | My problem is that after I've relaxed for a bit I start to get jittery and need to do something...like install plone everywhere i can :) |
| 23:16.32 | jaebird | nh_home: yes you should...we now have 3, i was working on my MS during the first 2 and it really sucked |
| 23:16.58 | nh_home | jaebird: I actually was going to start my MS this fall. :/ |
| 23:17.06 | nh_home | probably won't do it now though. |
| 23:17.38 | jaebird | you just need to do all of your pros and cons up front...there are costs with everything you know |
| 23:18.34 | jaebird | I do it again if faced with the same choice, but try to spend more time with the kids...maybe go slower on the classes |
| 23:18.59 | jaebird | who knows right? |
| 23:19.23 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah, I'm not sure. Right now I'm busy enough at work that I don't think I could reasonably do classes. Having a kid ontop of it would be way too much. |
| 23:19.41 | jaebird | will work pay for it? |
| 23:20.00 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah, I actually work for a supercomputer center at a University, so it's a great deal. |
| 23:20.15 | nh_home | jaebird: free with no strings attached. No grade requirements. |
| 23:20.43 | jaebird | A smart man once told me that if you keep giving, they will keep taking. You need to communicate boundaries for your acceptable work load. |
| 23:20.53 | jaebird | Now I just need to follow the advice :) |
| 23:21.19 | jaebird | That man was the CEO |
| 23:21.22 | nh_home | jaebird: heh, it's complicated. |
| 23:22.14 | nh_home | jaebird: I probably could work reasonable hours the next 3 weeks, but it means that my project of the last year might get canned. |
| 23:22.35 | jaebird | now i must wrestle with plone, css, and iexplore ... fun isn't it! |
| 23:22.40 | nh_home | hehe |
| 23:23.05 | jaebird | nh_home: yeah personal blood and sweat is always more dear to us. |
| 23:24.15 | nh_home | jaebird: There's a lot of politics involved. Various power plays that need to be addressed. :) |
| 23:25.04 | jaebird | nh_home: good luck to you...these are exciting times for communications devices...woohoo |
| 23:25.30 | nh_home | jaebird: yep. :) I'm really excited about openezx. Great progress has been made in the last couple of months. |
| 23:25.53 | nh_home | jaebird: I think the winds of change are blowing. |
| 23:26.24 | jaebird | I agree, my E2 sitting here on my desk doesn't know what is about to hit it |
| 23:26.56 | nh_home | jaebird: ah, you have an E2 as well! |
| 23:27.07 | jaebird | My biggest complaint is that i cannot multitask...grrrr |
| 23:27.17 | proberts | sweet! A third E2 user |
| 23:27.32 | nh_home | proberts: yeah! :) |
| 23:27.48 | jaebird | for instance, listening to my podcast and want to make a quick call, or take a picture...etc |
| 23:27.57 | nh_home | proberts: apparently there is another one on the forum who got usb_boot working |
| 23:28.10 | proberts | nh_home: Is that the one on the mailing list |
| 23:28.13 | proberts | ? |
| 23:28.17 | nh_home | proberts_: yeah |
| 23:28.32 | nh_home | proberts_: he was in channel this morning at like 4:00am, but must have gone afk when I got here. |
| 23:28.46 | proberts | nh_home: What's his channel nick? |
| 23:29.22 | jaebird | i put up some of the initial stuff on the wiki about a month ago |
| 23:29.33 | nh_home | proberts: dotmonkey |
| 23:29.49 | jaebird | but haven't done much else but sit on this channel! |
| 23:29.53 | nh_home | jaebird: that's right, I knew I had seen your name before... |
| 23:30.35 | proberts | does purl have a 'seen' function? |
| 23:30.54 | proberts | or other bots here? |
| 23:30.55 | nh_home | proberts_: if we can usb_boot, we might be able to take the recent work to do usb root_fs and work on the phone without flashing. |
| 23:31.09 | proberts | !seen dotmonkey |
| 23:31.14 | proberts | nh_home: Cool |
| 23:31.38 | nh_home | proberts: yeah, if I ever get any free time that's what I want to do next. |
| 23:31.50 | jaebird | i really want my ogg files on my E2 |
| 23:32.15 | proberts | nh_home: I downloaded some emulators to look at porting. Since I'm a little familiar with mame source, I'll probably try it first. |
| 23:32.21 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah, I looked briefly into that. I even tried emailing the motorola E2 list, but my message never posted. |
| 23:32.35 | nh_home | proberts: nice! |
| 23:32.41 | jaebird | it is so silly that they did not include it |
| 23:32.48 | nh_home | proberts: hrm... that's the other thing, I wanted to look into your library too. |
| 23:32.55 | nh_home | too much to do, too little time. |
| 23:33.14 | proberts | jaebird: IIRC, mkezx have a working mplayer build for the E2 that doesn't require flashing the phone. |
| 23:33.34 | nh_home | proberts: does it use the framebuffer device or qt? |
| 23:33.35 | jaebird | proberts: really? |
| 23:33.42 | jaebird | that sounds interesting |
| 23:33.54 | proberts | nh_home: I'm trying to figure out how to release it. It's almost finished... just need to clean up and document the API calls. |
| 23:33.59 | proberts | nh_home: framebuffer. |
| 23:34.04 | nh_home | proberts: nice |
| 23:34.27 | jaebird | proberts: you need a pen name |
| 23:34.45 | proberts | nh_home: I originally wanted to make it work with the ezx/qt API on the phone, but it's so different from QTe that I decided not to |
| 23:34.47 | jaebird | you could always incorporate in nevada... |
| 23:35.08 | jaebird | like those ads i always hear on the radio |
| 23:35.48 | nh_home | proberts: Do they publish any information/source for it (ezx/qt)? |
| 23:35.53 | proberts | nh_home: It wraps framebuffer, oss, keypad, backlight, and power management. |
| 23:36.23 | jaebird | proberts: i have been following your work...and am very interested to try it out |
| 23:37.40 | proberts | nh_home: I downloaded the QTe 2.4 API from the Trolltech site (think that was the version...it was the same as the E2 reports), but none of the apps on the phone use much of QTe directly... the all call ezx libs. |
| 23:37.41 | nh_home | proberts: I'm impressed you've done it so quickly. |
| 23:38.31 | nh_home | jaebird: probably. I imagine it's just a bug in the code. |
| 23:39.06 | proberts | nh_home: Well, it's a pretty basic API - nothing fancy.... nothing really that complex. The hardest thing was the kernel modules, but those really just hijack the moto ones, so not a lot of code. |
| 23:39.08 | jaebird | or the process hogging moto javex |
| 23:39.45 | proberts | jaebird: I think the skipping issue was fixed in a newer firmware. I know Mot also fixed the camera quality issues. |
| 23:40.27 | jaebird | i have 45, and they are mostly gone, but still pop up once in awhile |
| 23:40.50 | proberts | If we can get a ogg codec module compiled for helix, it shouldn't be hard to make helix player use it. |
| 23:41.09 | jaebird | that is what i first thought too |
| 23:41.27 | jaebird | it is already in the helix project |
| 23:42.04 | jaebird | just needs to be compiled for the arch...but when I ran into readonly filesystems, i decided that it was more than i wanted to do |
| 23:42.16 | proberts | Really? I'll have to download helix player source and see if the codecs build under dev-ezx. |
| 23:42.36 | jaebird | go for it... |
| 23:43.19 | proberts | If there's not an env to tell helix where to get the codecs, we can try to hijack helix's open() calls and redirect to /mmc or /ezxlocal |
| 23:43.28 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah, proberts finally figured out it was cramfs after we spent like 2 weeks pouring over the motoac security code. :) |
| 23:43.32 | jaebird | i use the helix player on my desktop and it plays oggs just fine |
| 23:43.48 | jaebird | nh_home: yeah i saw that traffic |
| 23:44.28 | jaebird | i thought it was only readonly...but when proberts went down the se linux path, i figured he was smarter than the rest of us and kept my mouth shut |
| 23:44.51 | nh_home | jaebird: heh, warn us next time! ;) |
| 23:45.04 | proberts | Yeah - I'm not any smarter, as I proved. :P |
| 23:45.16 | jaebird | what is cool is that now we KNOW it is not the se linux stuff...a worthwhile endevour |
| 23:45.27 | nh_home | true. And we know how to get around it if we need to. |
| 23:45.41 | jaebird | otherwise somebody would say..."maybe se linux...yadayada" |
| 23:46.59 | nh_home | I'm hoping at this point someone can get a 2.6 kernel working via usb_boot, and eventually just flash our own system to it. |
| 23:47.07 | jaebird | did you see the E6 was released? |
| 23:47.11 | nh_home | s/it/the phone |
| 23:47.37 | nh_home | jaebird: yeah. I wonder if it's using chameleon. |
| 23:48.04 | jaebird | it really looks like a small iteration from the E2 from the hardware perspective |
| 23:48.16 | jaebird | I bet it is also a quadband GSM |
| 23:48.25 | jaebird | sold as a tri-band |
| 23:48.47 | nh_home | probably. Speaking of that, I wonder if we can enable edge through some blackmagic. |
| 23:49.16 | jaebird | nh_home: i have tried any seem edit I can get my hands on...none of the enable EDGE |
| 23:49.25 | proberts | I think I saw someone say it could be done by editing "the seem" (whatever exactly that is) |
| 23:49.53 | nh_home | jaebird: has anyone mapped out the seems on the E2 yet? |
| 23:50.10 | jaebird | I've hacked several seems on my phone, one for quad band, one for gprs icon, etc |
| 23:50.23 | nh_home | jaebird: I haven't gotten around to doing that yet. |
| 23:50.35 | jaebird | nh_home: i have the ones that have worked on my phone mapped here, but not published yet |
| 23:50.36 | nh_home | jaebird: I get good reception already so I haven't bothered. |
| 23:51.02 | jaebird | my place of business uses 850 repeaters in the buildings...without the edit, my signal was 0 |
| 23:51.09 | nh_home | ah |
| 23:51.11 | jaebird | now it is 5 by 5 |
| 23:51.25 | nh_home | I get poor reception in the elevator, but I don't think we have any repeaters. |
| 23:51.53 | jaebird | if you go out into the sticks, some places only use 850 |
| 23:52.15 | jaebird | the thing about the E6 that is intriguing is the touch screen |
| 23:52.43 | jaebird | couple that with the new touch/drag keyboard, and I could email in a flash |