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| 08:31.20 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:16.52 | blkhawk[work] | Morning |
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| 10:11.43 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 10:53.58 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
| 10:54.56 | |dion| | stefan_schmidt: not morning here but.. :) |
| 11:00.01 | florian_kc | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 11:00.14 | florian_kc | |dion|: we have UGT here :-) |
| 11:06.31 | stefan_schmidt | |dion|: It's noon here, too. :) |
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| 13:50.26 | robtaylor | morn |
| 14:14.35 | florian_kc | hi robtaylor |
| 14:14.36 | florian_kc | hi mickeyl |
| 14:15.52 | robtaylor | hey florian_kc, mickeyl :) |
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| 15:31.03 | Appleonkel | hello |
| 15:31.40 | florian_kc | hi Appleonkel |
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| 15:32.54 | Appleonkel | i installed opie on my a780, followed this guide http://people.openezx.org/mickeyl/ |
| 15:33.24 | Appleonkel | but opie don't accept anything from the touschscreen |
| 15:34.22 | Appleonkel | ssh access works fine |
| 15:34.59 | mickeyl | are you sure you used the kernel below mickeyl/kernel ? |
| 15:35.16 | Appleonkel | yes i'am sure |
| 15:35.36 | Appleonkel | i used another rootfs and the touchscreen is working correct |
| 15:36.02 | mickeyl | is /dev/input/event* present? |
| 15:36.19 | Appleonkel | yes it is |
| 15:37.11 | mickeyl | how does /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh looks like? |
| 15:37.38 | mickeyl | try starting opie via ssh in nodaemon mode and have a look at any error messages |
| 15:37.59 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.05 | mickeyl | stop it before that |
| 15:44.33 | Appleonkel | that is silly |
| 15:44.42 | Appleonkel | i tried serveral times |
| 15:44.58 | Appleonkel | i reinstall your rootfs and now it is still working |
| 15:47.39 | mickeyl | heh. good ;) |
| 15:48.08 | Appleonkel | bthx anyway |
| 15:48.29 | mickeyl | np |
| 15:48.43 | mickeyl | although you shouldn't get too comfortable with opie on OpenEZX |
| 15:48.50 | mickeyl | it looks like the default GUI will move to something else |
| 15:49.32 | Appleonkel | i will see |
| 15:56.25 | ade|desk | mickeyl: know something you'd like to spill ? |
| 15:56.56 | mickeyl | nothing more than that we're trying to get OpenMoko to OpenEZX |
| 15:57.18 | ade|desk | ah |
| 15:57.46 | stefan_schmidt | yes, openmoko is very welcome here. Clean software stack for a cellphone is still missing. |
| 15:57.48 | ade|desk | Moko is rather close to Moto... in some fonts its hard to say which is which ;) |
| 15:57.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:57.59 | mickeyl | "Hello Moko" |
| 15:58.19 | stefan_schmidt | If somebody likes to port opie later... |
| 15:58.37 | mickeyl | sure thing. opie-II may be an interesting alternative once it's there |
| 15:58.46 | mickeyl | opie-1 is just... uhm... old |
| 15:58.49 | stefan_schmidt | ...if is it still alive at this time. SCNR. ;) |
| 15:58.49 | ade|desk | they should be take to a cliff top and pushed ? |
| 15:59.44 | mickeyl | nah. let the best thing win. the Moto phones have 48MB RAM, that will be the most sensible factor |
| 16:00.10 | mickeyl | i'm still not sure whether such a UI intensive framework based on X/Gtk+ runs usable on the EZX phones |
| 16:00.30 | mickeyl | but we'll see sooner or later |
| 16:00.41 | stefan_schmidt | but there are more intersting things in openmoko as only gui |
| 16:01.06 | stefan_schmidt | think about the gsm stack with hooks for blacklisting |
| 16:01.33 | stefan_schmidt | write your own netfilter^W cellphone-script. :) |
| 16:02.43 | mickeyl | of course, yeah |
| 16:03.28 | letoto | yay for anti-spam fighting on cellphones |
| 16:03.40 | letoto | Neal Stephenson was right in Diamond Age |
| 16:03.53 | letoto | your AI fighting with my AI to determine we're both human enough to want to talk |
| 16:04.29 | stefan_schmidt | letoto: Neal Stephenson is a god. Think about Snow Crash. |
| 16:05.21 | letoto | the problem with neal stephenson is he is too much god |
| 16:05.30 | letoto | that's why he wrote a few metric ton of books |
| 16:05.36 | letoto | editor couldnt control him :P |
| 16:05.46 | florian_kc | heh |
| 16:05.49 | letoto | everything since cryptonomicon has been crap imho :) |
| 16:05.57 | letoto | including cryptonomicon |
| 16:06.16 | letoto | his best are Diamond Age, Snowcrash, Zodiac and Interface |
| 16:06.24 | letoto | (last one written under pseudoniem Steve Bury) |
| 16:06.26 | florian_kc | that reminds me on my new stephenson book waiting for me at home :-) |
| 16:06.45 | letoto | florian: there goes christmas break eh? :) |
| 16:07.34 | florian_kc | letoto: its even worse... its likely that there is no real christmas break this year :-/ |
| 16:07.50 | stefan_schmidt | cryptonomicon was fine with me. Only to long. |
| 16:08.10 | florian_kc | yep, that one was great |
| 16:08.21 | florian_kc | (i don't fear long books) |
| 16:08.29 | letoto | cryptonomicon was nice for the first 1/3 |
| 16:08.33 | ade|desk | due to lack of demand , christmas has been cancelled |
| 16:08.35 | letoto | and the last 1/5th |
| 16:08.41 | letoto | he doesnt know how to end books! |
| 16:08.58 | ade|desk | like dire straits and songs |
| 16:09.05 | stefan_schmidt | ade|desk: what is christmas? ;) |
| 16:09.16 | florian_kc | letoto: there are only a few people who know/knew this art... |
| 16:09.39 | florian_kc | Lem knew :-) |
| 16:10.02 | letoto | christmas is that time near the end of the year where you can code without customers disturbing you |
| 16:10.13 | ade|desk | stefan_schmidt: an excuse to pretend to enjoy your families company |
| 16:10.38 | stefan_schmidt | ah, the short break between work/study and ccc congres. :) |
| 16:11.09 | mickeyl | that reminds me |
| 16:11.29 | ade|desk | letoto: christmas is the time when the annual shutdown happens so that you have to come in and work your magic to get things up again before everyone comes back to complain |
| 16:11.35 | letoto | parkinn was full but they cleared out a block of reserved rooms |
| 16:11.51 | letoto | so give parkinn a shot :) |
| 16:12.05 | letoto | anyone staying for NY in berlin? |
| 16:13.49 | stefan_schmidt | All have hotel rooms only stefan_schmidt has gym. :) |
| 16:14.06 | letoto | hehe |
| 16:18.11 | florian_kc | Hrm... geeks are not the same then a few years ago... mallum is married, i am... and there are quite some of them with girlfriends ;) |
| 16:18.36 | letoto | oh no. we have become mainstream!! average! |
| 16:19.54 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 16:20.21 | stefan_schmidt | We can still hack the whole night. (After GF/wife is sleepinmg) ;) |
| 16:22.27 | ao2 | and some geeks do sports, too... |
| 16:23.51 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: indeed :-) |
| 16:24.48 | stefan_schmidt | heh, but nicer. |
| 16:25.04 | florian_kc | true |
| 16:25.10 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: wow, is that right? I heard rumors of it |
| 16:28.49 | ao2 | it seems it is true, there are documented examples |
| 16:29.33 | ade|desk | how does vfork work then ? |
| 16:30.16 | stefan_schmidt | heh, I have to start again as well. |
| 16:30.18 | florian_kc | that#s the cheaper variant, right? |
| 16:35.28 | ade|desk | does it help with people who can't manage memory? |
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| 16:35.48 | florian_kc | sometimes ;) |
| 16:35.50 | letoto2 | always test software bugs on your desktop :P |
| 16:41.30 | ade|desk | my roadmap indicates fork testing near April 07, with deliverable near Jan 08... but there could be a penalty due if completed too early |
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| 16:43.12 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 16:43.16 | stefan_schmidt | hi nevarrie |
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| 17:00.59 | stefan_schmidt | hi vmaster_ |
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| 18:08.57 | ade|desk | hometime |
| 18:09.01 | ade|desk | cya folks |
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| 19:02.16 | SuN | Your Aspie score: 102 of 200; Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 112 of 200 |
| 19:02.27 | SuN | Doh |
| 19:03.06 | SuN | Anyway, if anyone wants to take the test, it's at http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php ;) |
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| 22:15.17 | proberts | Hey! We finally got the legal right here in the US to unlock phones (carrier lock): http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061122/digital_copyright.html?.v=5 |
| 22:26.55 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 22:27.01 | proberts | hi |
| 22:27.09 | stefan_schmidt | hi proberts |
| 22:27.36 | stefan_schmidt | That mean you get the unlock code for your phone when you just ask? |
| 22:27.57 | proberts | Maybe... at least means it isn't illegal to unlock it yourself (or have someone do it for you) |
| 22:29.27 | proberts | Cingular threatened to cancel my account when they refused to unlock my phone (already finished contract) and I said "fine - I'll just do it myself" (wanted to use it with pre-paid SIM in EU) |
| 22:32.14 | stefan_schmidt | nice |
| 22:32.26 | proberts | Yeah - carriers are scum here. |
| 22:33.02 | proberts | T-Mobile is about the only one that isn't crooked, but their are way behind on technology. |
| 22:33.13 | proberts | s/their/they're |
| 22:33.29 | proberts | hmmm... guess I haven't learned how to use that yet. |
| 22:34.04 | stefan_schmidt | you need a / and the end |
| 22:34.08 | stefan_schmidt | s/end/end./ |
| 22:34.24 | proberts | Ah... ok.. will it take any sed arguments? |
| 22:34.44 | proberts | s/./[dot]/g |
| 22:34.51 | proberts | cool :) |
| 22:35.33 | stefan_schmidt | hehe |
| 22:36.29 | proberts | you don't happen to know if there is a Motorola firmware flashing util that runs under Linux? (Like RSD or whatever the windows prog is called) |
| 22:38.21 | proberts | Another fun Cingular fact: They're being sued because they purchased AT&T Cellular and intentionally degraded AT&T customer's service quality, then told them they had to buy a new Cingular contract to fix the problem. |
| 22:38.28 | stefan_schmidt | ezxflash |
| 22:38.35 | proberts | thanks :) |
| 22:39.10 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: how is your project going. fb and sound seems to work for your needs, right? |
| 22:40.00 | proberts | I've got fb and dsp working... I just need to get input working. Can't open /dev/kepad... although I haven't tried much else yet. |
| 22:40.32 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, my phones only have touchpad |
| 22:41.09 | stefan_schmidt | oh, my A780 ha a keypad, but I never tried to get it working with own software. |
| 22:41.21 | proberts | I'm a little concerned I won't be able to intercept input, but only view it, so the EZX system will also get the input and overwrite my app's UI in the fb. |
| 22:42.01 | proberts | I'm hoping I can lauch a process that locks up the QT input thread until my app exits. |
| 22:45.27 | proberts | I did hexedit a hack for the selinux policy file, but haven't been able to get it back on to the device. (turns out I can 'touch' the file on the phone, but not mod it, so maybe Mot's policy lets me open "w", but errors the actual writes.) I may try to mod the firmware directly and reflash the phone. |
| 22:46.04 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 22:46.23 | stefan_schmidt | would make sense if they don't allow us to write the policy file. :) |
| 22:46.56 | proberts | I - I thought that was too easy. Odd that I can touch it, and the date updates though. |
| 22:47.06 | proberts | (yeah - I...) |
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| 23:04.31 | file | proberts: aliens! |
| 23:04.50 | proberts | file: where!? |
| 23:04.58 | file | proberts: in the corner :( |
| 23:05.22 | proberts | *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* That'll teach them. |
| 23:07.47 | proberts | :P |
| 23:08.59 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: I caught part of your JTAG conversation the other day... are you getting something to get JTAG out of your EZX phone? |
| 23:09.30 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: That's the plan. |
| 23:10.09 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: Can you get a JTAG interface w/o taking the phone apart? |
| 23:11.13 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: You need to take away the cover |
| 23:11.45 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: Do you just have the same mini-USB connector on the A/E series as the E2 has? |
| 23:12.40 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: I don't have a E", but i guess it should be the same. Moto called it enhanced mini usb |
| 23:13.04 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: You can get serial console over this port, but no jtag. |
| 23:13.31 | proberts | Will that help you find the AP->BP magic code? |
| 23:14.42 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: It's hopefully one of my weapons. I'll start with printk's and multimeter first |
| 23:40.05 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: lol - hopefully it's software and there won't be a thriving EZX chipping business like with the Playstation. :P |
| 23:40.35 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: It _is_ software, as it works with the 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:41.14 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: We just have a bug in our code. And me and Harald don't find him only in the code. :( |
| 23:45.24 | proberts | stefan_schmidt: Is the BP actually sending a shutdown signal to the AP, or does it just turn off the power (or just shut off the BP and the AP continues to run)? |
| 23:46.24 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: That is one off the questions. I think it advices the pcap controller to just shut off. |
| 23:46.53 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: If it would send a shutdown signal we just could not handle it. :) |
| 23:47.16 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: I hopefully get a better understanding for it next weekend. |
| 23:54.34 | proberts | Hmmm... I suppose can can't loopback mount a cramfs image as writeable. :( |
| 23:58.40 | stefan_schmidt | proberts: unpack, change, make new cramfs. :) |