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00:07.45stefan_schmidthi florian
00:08.22florianhi stefan_schmidt
00:09.20stefan_schmidthi wobbling file
00:09.58fileI just bought the cheapest quad band GSM cellphone I could... whopping $65 unlocked
00:10.08fileand by whopping I mean acceptably cheap
00:10.43stefan_schmidtyes, $65 is acceptably
00:10.57stefan_schmidt~change 65 USD to EUR
00:11.04koenfile: just say 'bomb president assissin' and you'll get a free holiday, courtesy of echelon as well
00:11.22stefan_schmidtlol
00:11.25fileit's cheaper for me to buy a T-Mobile USA prepaid SIM card and use it, then it is to roam with my CDMA GSM linked SIM card
00:12.36filethat's me slightly ranting
00:14.29fileactually it may have been cheaper...
00:14.58stefan_schmidtof course cheaper, but harder to manage...
00:15.29filephone was $44.99 USD in total, and T-Mobile SIM was $12 USD
00:16.18fileanyway - how goes things in the Linux on phone world?
00:17.17stefan_schmidtfile: ezx slow, neo1973 fast. :)
00:17.24filehehe
00:17.37stefan_schmidtwe still fight the AP/BP communication.
00:18.03stefan_schmidtBetter to say we fight it not right now, but have to do.
00:18.08filetried stabbing it?
00:18.10stefan_schmidttime...
00:20.23stefan_schmidtIt's hard to debug, as the BP seems to shut down the AP after 40-50s without correct handshake.
00:20.36fileoh I hate that sort of stuff
00:20.42stefan_schmidtAnyway I have to look at this again.
00:21.12stefan_schmidtBut the next weeks a have to deal with my uni courses first.
00:21.27koenhrm
00:21.30koenuni courses
00:21.31stefan_schmidt~lart homework
00:21.37koenoooh
00:21.42koen'linear systems'
00:21.50stefan_schmidtups
00:21.50koenthat one is fun
00:22.36stefan_schmidtI have communications system, that's fun, but not to much new stuff.
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01:18.46stefan_schmidtnight all
01:19.08florianstefan_schmidt: nightr
01:23.18[g2]nite stefan_schmidt
01:24.31florian[g2]: uh?
01:25.13[g2]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071007/
01:26.02[g2]at night they all said "good night" to one another and there was a bunch of them
01:26.17filesleeeeepy >_<
01:26.20florian:-)
01:27.40[g2]or maybe it was "the Waltons" I'm thinking of
01:28.33[g2]yeah it's the Waltons
01:29.23[g2]series was only over 25 years ago
01:29.33[g2]damn I'm old
01:31.29florian:-)
01:31.34floriangood night :-)
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08:17.01Hopscotchgood morning
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10:31.49florian_kcgood morning
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10:38.52LoneStargood morning florian_kc
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12:28.43stefan_schmidthi all
12:29.13florian_kchi stefan_schmidt
13:10.14nh_workmorning
13:12.08stefan_schmidthi florian_kc nh_work
13:14.03florian_kchello nh_work
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17:07.59stefan_schmidtre
17:08.05stefan_schmidtgood news
17:08.34[g2]stefan_schmidt you get a FIC phone ?
17:08.42[g2]or chocolate ?
17:08.48koenor solved the irq issue?
17:08.51koenbienenstich?
17:08.53stefan_schmidtTogether with some friends I succesfully stripped a E680 completely.
17:09.05stefan_schmidtheh
17:09.18stefan_schmidtchocolate, good idea
17:09.21[g2]cool, kinda like the salted slug ?
17:09.23stefan_schmidthttp://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/tmp/Stripped-E680/
17:10.05stefan_schmidtHad a hard time to unsolder the shields
17:10.35stefan_schmidtThe photos could be better, but ok for now.
17:10.43[g2]stefan_schmidt Ok you just too it's top off
17:11.35stefan_schmidt[g2]: 'too it's top off' ?
17:11.43[g2]took
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17:14.30SuNGood news, it's completely broken! ;)
17:14.59[g2]stefan_schmidt when the nslu2-linux wiki comes back up I'll show you stripped hw
17:15.22[g2]componets baked off and PCB power-sanded to the traces
17:15.44stefan_schmidtSuN: -v please
17:16.03SuNHeh
17:16.05stefan_schmidt[g2]: IIRC you showed me already.
17:16.06SuNGeek! ;)
17:16.23stefan_schmidtSuN: thanks. ;)
17:16.40[g2]stefan_schmidt ah... ok
17:16.57stefan_schmidt[g2]: Looks nice..
17:17.10[g2]stefan_schmidt that's cool about hte e680
17:17.27[g2]are you looking for something or just playing ?
17:20.02stefan_schmidt[g2]: I like to get a better overview of the used chips.
17:21.22stefan_schmidtAlso good pictures can be used for marking jtag and serial pads.
17:23.32[g2]stefan_schmidt amen!
17:23.46koenand it's fun to take apart stuff
17:23.52stefan_schmidtheh
17:24.25[g2]koen even more fun to put stuff back together and have it work! :)
17:24.55stefan_schmidt[g2]: yes, it still works. :)
17:25.04[g2]yup
17:25.17[g2]we're missing the BSDL file
17:25.36[g2]but the JTAG pinout is to a small pitch connector
17:27.30koenvmaster probably has one
17:27.41[g2]well off to lunch
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17:28.06[g2]koen do you know vmaster is adding xscale support to openocd ?
17:28.41koennope
17:28.56[g2]yeah he's working on it now
17:29.20[g2]lennert and I have a high-speed JTAG adapter for the Loft
17:29.34[g2]but it works on the Spartan 3s too
17:29.38koenSurprisingly I have never needed jtag
17:29.55[g2]heh... GUI guys ! :)
17:30.21[g2]hw breakpoints will be nice and trace buffers
17:30.38[g2]anyway off to lunch
17:33.05stefan_schmidtkoen: Who is vmaster?
17:33.26koenDominic Rath of openocd fame
17:34.32koenhttp://openocd.berlios.de/web/
17:34.44koen"It’s been a while since the last post, but a lot has happened since then. OpenOCD is now at SVN revision 114 (115 once I commit my latest XScale changes)."
17:44.12stefan_schmidtah, you can get BSDL file from intel: http://www.intel.com/design/pca/products/pxa27x/tools.htm
17:44.38stefan_schmidtBut have to accept a license.
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18:10.44koenstefan_schmidt: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/19/1961.html
18:19.14stefan_schmidthmm, perhaps I have to subscribe to handhelds kernel-discuss
18:19.59koennot much interesting there
18:20.10koenjust wanted to show you the mail harald wrote
18:30.00stefan_schmidtkoen: thanks, details about openmoko are always interesting for me.
18:36.30florian_kcbbl
18:45.06ljpanone know about the a768? as  in what bootloader it uses?
18:45.21mickeyliirc customized version of blob
18:45.29SuNSo how big (physically) is the Neo1973 going to be?
18:45.35SuNCan't seem to find any specs on that.
18:45.48koen11x5x1.8
18:46.05koenthat's what nh_work extrapolated from the screen
18:46.18stefan_schmidthi mickeyl, ljp
18:46.24SuNSmart :)
18:46.26SuNThanks
18:46.42SuNThat's very similar to the E680, it seems.
18:47.02mickeylwell, i can measure my devel board
18:47.04mickeylhold on
18:47.09mickeylthe case is missing tho :D
18:47.47stefan_schmidtljp: It should be blob as moto used this in all older EZX phones.
18:47.53mickeyl6cm by 10cm
18:47.55mickeylroughly
18:48.07mickeylno idea about the depth, since it's all lose here
18:48.07mickeylheh
18:48.25mickeyli had the case in my hand at tuesday, but forgot to take measures
18:48.36SuNHm, so it's slightly wider.
18:49.28mickeylyeah, but still comfortable for one-hand operation
18:49.30mickeylimo
18:50.28SuNAre the pictures on e.g. linuxdevices.com representative or are there any last-moment differences?
18:51.00SuNI used to want the smallest phone on the market at any time, but the E680 has changed my feeling about that.
18:51.13SuNIt's not small, but I wouldn't call it bulky.
18:51.43mickeylthe pictures come very close
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23:17.12lkcldoes anyone recognise the garbage pre-and-post- in this: http://hands.com/~lkcl/hp6915/btuart.trace.decoded.txt
23:28.19stefan_schmidtlkcl: hmm, never seen.
23:36.35koenmux_cli is motorola-ware
23:36.50koenwe are forced to live with that on the ezx phones
23:37.20koenas harald explained in his reply
23:43.22stefan_schmidtlkcl: If vendors add their own specific stuff we have to live with it. Using the TS 270.10 is the right way anyway.
23:54.42koenhttp://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08#20061108-openmoko-gpl-clarification
23:54.45koeninteresting
23:55.19koengood news, although I don't get why agpsd is closed source
23:55.52stefan_schmidtkoen: I guess some algorithms are perhaps patented.
23:56.18stefan_schmidtkoen: Or the company just want to public them. :(
23:56.19koenthat or they didn't want to rewrite from scratch
23:56.48stefan_schmidtperhaps
23:57.02koenattach a listener to the kernel and parse the output -> reverse engineered agpsd :)
23:57.20stefan_schmidtBut there must be a job the community has to do... :)
23:58.17koenI can live with a closed agpsd I guess
23:59.37stefan_schmidtWe should be able to replace it with a stupid gpsd in afirst step.

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