00:07.45 | stefan_schmidt | hi florian |
00:08.22 | florian | hi stefan_schmidt |
00:09.20 | stefan_schmidt | hi wobbling file |
00:09.58 | file | I just bought the cheapest quad band GSM cellphone I could... whopping $65 unlocked |
00:10.08 | file | and by whopping I mean acceptably cheap |
00:10.43 | stefan_schmidt | yes, $65 is acceptably |
00:10.57 | stefan_schmidt | ~change 65 USD to EUR |
00:11.04 | koen | file: just say 'bomb president assissin' and you'll get a free holiday, courtesy of echelon as well |
00:11.22 | stefan_schmidt | lol |
00:11.25 | file | it's cheaper for me to buy a T-Mobile USA prepaid SIM card and use it, then it is to roam with my CDMA GSM linked SIM card |
00:12.36 | file | that's me slightly ranting |
00:14.29 | file | actually it may have been cheaper... |
00:14.58 | stefan_schmidt | of course cheaper, but harder to manage... |
00:15.29 | file | phone was $44.99 USD in total, and T-Mobile SIM was $12 USD |
00:16.18 | file | anyway - how goes things in the Linux on phone world? |
00:17.17 | stefan_schmidt | file: ezx slow, neo1973 fast. :) |
00:17.24 | file | hehe |
00:17.37 | stefan_schmidt | we still fight the AP/BP communication. |
00:18.03 | stefan_schmidt | Better to say we fight it not right now, but have to do. |
00:18.08 | file | tried stabbing it? |
00:18.10 | stefan_schmidt | time... |
00:20.23 | stefan_schmidt | It's hard to debug, as the BP seems to shut down the AP after 40-50s without correct handshake. |
00:20.36 | file | oh I hate that sort of stuff |
00:20.42 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway I have to look at this again. |
00:21.12 | stefan_schmidt | But the next weeks a have to deal with my uni courses first. |
00:21.27 | koen | hrm |
00:21.30 | koen | uni courses |
00:21.31 | stefan_schmidt | ~lart homework |
00:21.37 | koen | oooh |
00:21.42 | koen | 'linear systems' |
00:21.50 | stefan_schmidt | ups |
00:21.50 | koen | that one is fun |
00:22.36 | stefan_schmidt | I have communications system, that's fun, but not to much new stuff. |
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01:18.46 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
01:19.08 | florian | stefan_schmidt: nightr |
01:23.18 | [g2] | nite stefan_schmidt |
01:24.31 | florian | [g2]: uh? |
01:25.13 | [g2] | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071007/ |
01:26.02 | [g2] | at night they all said "good night" to one another and there was a bunch of them |
01:26.17 | file | sleeeeepy >_< |
01:26.20 | florian | :-) |
01:27.40 | [g2] | or maybe it was "the Waltons" I'm thinking of |
01:28.33 | [g2] | yeah it's the Waltons |
01:29.23 | [g2] | series was only over 25 years ago |
01:29.33 | [g2] | damn I'm old |
01:31.29 | florian | :-) |
01:31.34 | florian | good night :-) |
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08:17.01 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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10:31.49 | florian_kc | good morning |
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12:28.43 | stefan_schmidt | hi all |
12:29.13 | florian_kc | hi stefan_schmidt |
13:10.14 | nh_work | morning |
13:12.08 | stefan_schmidt | hi florian_kc nh_work |
13:14.03 | florian_kc | hello nh_work |
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17:07.59 | stefan_schmidt | re |
17:08.05 | stefan_schmidt | good news |
17:08.34 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt you get a FIC phone ? |
17:08.42 | [g2] | or chocolate ? |
17:08.48 | koen | or solved the irq issue? |
17:08.51 | koen | bienenstich? |
17:08.53 | stefan_schmidt | Together with some friends I succesfully stripped a E680 completely. |
17:09.05 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
17:09.18 | stefan_schmidt | chocolate, good idea |
17:09.21 | [g2] | cool, kinda like the salted slug ? |
17:09.23 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/tmp/Stripped-E680/ |
17:10.05 | stefan_schmidt | Had a hard time to unsolder the shields |
17:10.35 | stefan_schmidt | The photos could be better, but ok for now. |
17:10.43 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt Ok you just too it's top off |
17:11.35 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: 'too it's top off' ? |
17:11.43 | [g2] | took |
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17:14.30 | SuN | Good news, it's completely broken! ;) |
17:14.59 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt when the nslu2-linux wiki comes back up I'll show you stripped hw |
17:15.22 | [g2] | componets baked off and PCB power-sanded to the traces |
17:15.44 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: -v please |
17:16.03 | SuN | Heh |
17:16.05 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: IIRC you showed me already. |
17:16.06 | SuN | Geek! ;) |
17:16.23 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: thanks. ;) |
17:16.40 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt ah... ok |
17:16.57 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Looks nice.. |
17:17.10 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt that's cool about hte e680 |
17:17.27 | [g2] | are you looking for something or just playing ? |
17:20.02 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I like to get a better overview of the used chips. |
17:21.22 | stefan_schmidt | Also good pictures can be used for marking jtag and serial pads. |
17:23.32 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt amen! |
17:23.46 | koen | and it's fun to take apart stuff |
17:23.52 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
17:24.25 | [g2] | koen even more fun to put stuff back together and have it work! :) |
17:24.55 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: yes, it still works. :) |
17:25.04 | [g2] | yup |
17:25.17 | [g2] | we're missing the BSDL file |
17:25.36 | [g2] | but the JTAG pinout is to a small pitch connector |
17:27.30 | koen | vmaster probably has one |
17:27.41 | [g2] | well off to lunch |
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17:28.06 | [g2] | koen do you know vmaster is adding xscale support to openocd ? |
17:28.41 | koen | nope |
17:28.56 | [g2] | yeah he's working on it now |
17:29.20 | [g2] | lennert and I have a high-speed JTAG adapter for the Loft |
17:29.34 | [g2] | but it works on the Spartan 3s too |
17:29.38 | koen | Surprisingly I have never needed jtag |
17:29.55 | [g2] | heh... GUI guys ! :) |
17:30.21 | [g2] | hw breakpoints will be nice and trace buffers |
17:30.38 | [g2] | anyway off to lunch |
17:33.05 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Who is vmaster? |
17:33.26 | koen | Dominic Rath of openocd fame |
17:34.32 | koen | http://openocd.berlios.de/web/ |
17:34.44 | koen | "It’s been a while since the last post, but a lot has happened since then. OpenOCD is now at SVN revision 114 (115 once I commit my latest XScale changes)." |
17:44.12 | stefan_schmidt | ah, you can get BSDL file from intel: http://www.intel.com/design/pca/products/pxa27x/tools.htm |
17:44.38 | stefan_schmidt | But have to accept a license. |
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18:10.44 | koen | stefan_schmidt: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/19/1961.html |
18:19.14 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, perhaps I have to subscribe to handhelds kernel-discuss |
18:19.59 | koen | not much interesting there |
18:20.10 | koen | just wanted to show you the mail harald wrote |
18:30.00 | stefan_schmidt | koen: thanks, details about openmoko are always interesting for me. |
18:36.30 | florian_kc | bbl |
18:45.06 | ljp | anone know about the a768? as in what bootloader it uses? |
18:45.21 | mickeyl | iirc customized version of blob |
18:45.29 | SuN | So how big (physically) is the Neo1973 going to be? |
18:45.35 | SuN | Can't seem to find any specs on that. |
18:45.48 | koen | 11x5x1.8 |
18:46.05 | koen | that's what nh_work extrapolated from the screen |
18:46.18 | stefan_schmidt | hi mickeyl, ljp |
18:46.24 | SuN | Smart :) |
18:46.26 | SuN | Thanks |
18:46.42 | SuN | That's very similar to the E680, it seems. |
18:47.02 | mickeyl | well, i can measure my devel board |
18:47.04 | mickeyl | hold on |
18:47.09 | mickeyl | the case is missing tho :D |
18:47.47 | stefan_schmidt | ljp: It should be blob as moto used this in all older EZX phones. |
18:47.53 | mickeyl | 6cm by 10cm |
18:47.55 | mickeyl | roughly |
18:48.07 | mickeyl | no idea about the depth, since it's all lose here |
18:48.07 | mickeyl | heh |
18:48.25 | mickeyl | i had the case in my hand at tuesday, but forgot to take measures |
18:48.36 | SuN | Hm, so it's slightly wider. |
18:49.28 | mickeyl | yeah, but still comfortable for one-hand operation |
18:49.30 | mickeyl | imo |
18:50.28 | SuN | Are the pictures on e.g. linuxdevices.com representative or are there any last-moment differences? |
18:51.00 | SuN | I used to want the smallest phone on the market at any time, but the E680 has changed my feeling about that. |
18:51.13 | SuN | It's not small, but I wouldn't call it bulky. |
18:51.43 | mickeyl | the pictures come very close |
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23:17.12 | lkcl | does anyone recognise the garbage pre-and-post- in this: http://hands.com/~lkcl/hp6915/btuart.trace.decoded.txt |
23:28.19 | stefan_schmidt | lkcl: hmm, never seen. |
23:36.35 | koen | mux_cli is motorola-ware |
23:36.50 | koen | we are forced to live with that on the ezx phones |
23:37.20 | koen | as harald explained in his reply |
23:43.22 | stefan_schmidt | lkcl: If vendors add their own specific stuff we have to live with it. Using the TS 270.10 is the right way anyway. |
23:54.42 | koen | http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08#20061108-openmoko-gpl-clarification |
23:54.45 | koen | interesting |
23:55.19 | koen | good news, although I don't get why agpsd is closed source |
23:55.52 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I guess some algorithms are perhaps patented. |
23:56.18 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Or the company just want to public them. :( |
23:56.19 | koen | that or they didn't want to rewrite from scratch |
23:56.48 | stefan_schmidt | perhaps |
23:57.02 | koen | attach a listener to the kernel and parse the output -> reverse engineered agpsd :) |
23:57.20 | stefan_schmidt | But there must be a job the community has to do... :) |
23:58.17 | koen | I can live with a closed agpsd I guess |
23:59.37 | stefan_schmidt | We should be able to replace it with a stupid gpsd in afirst step. |