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| 08:21.02 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:30.33 | yang | I read the status page, the phone isn't fully supported for calling yet? |
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| 08:34.38 | ade|desk | yang: no it is not ready |
| 08:34.58 | ade|desk | at least not with 2.6 |
| 08:36.31 | yang | but its progressing fast i guess |
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| 08:40.46 | ade|desk | indeed |
| 08:42.06 | yang | so the porting is only done for A780 & E680 ? so these 2 phones are advised for a purchase? |
| 08:50.19 | yang | I am wondering if A780 comes with a pencil? |
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| 08:54.27 | ade|desk | yang: these have the most development atm, however, openezx work is for all ezx devices, just more dev when the devices are available |
| 08:54.44 | ade|desk | yang: yes the A780 does have a stylus |
| 08:55.28 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:17.24 | ade|desk | morning florian_kc |
| 09:50.45 | jonwil | if I had more money and more time, I would love to get an E2 ROKR to hack on... |
| 09:51.26 | jonwil | So far, its the only EZX phone that I actually like the looks of |
| 10:18.08 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
| 10:18.56 | florian_kc | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 10:20.06 | koen | hey stefan_schmidt |
| 10:20.12 | stefan_schmidt | hi florian_kc koen |
| 10:32.06 | dionua | stefan_schmidt: hi |
| 10:32.17 | stefan_schmidt | hi dionua |
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| 11:39.07 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 11:45.23 | blkhawk[work] | lo |
| 11:45.42 | dionua | ?? |
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| 13:01.13 | stefan_schmidt | hi agd5f |
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| 13:15.09 | stefan_schmidt | hi LaF0rge |
| 13:15.22 | stefan_schmidt | nice to read you again. :) |
| 13:47.23 | agd5f | stefan_schmidt: hi |
| 13:59.08 | blkhawk[work] | hi LaF0rge |
| 14:00.18 | LaF0rge | hi stefan |
| 14:04.10 | koen | stefan_schmidt: FYI, there's a big clocksource patch on L-A-K now, that might give troubles like the genirq thing |
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| 14:08.22 | prpplague | greetings all |
| 14:08.59 | koen | hey prpplague |
| 14:09.17 | florian_kc | prpplague: hi |
| 14:09.56 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Thanks, I real linuax-arm-kernel now. |
| 14:10.10 | stefan_schmidt | hi prpplague |
| 14:10.31 | prpplague | visited the wiki pages the other day, looks like some nice progress |
| 14:10.50 | prpplague | whats up the kernel model for the actual phone support? |
| 14:10.51 | [g2] | prpplague get lost! |
| 14:10.58 | prpplague | :( |
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| 14:11.13 | [g2] | 5 4 3 2 1 .... |
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| 14:11.24 | [g2] | bingo |
| 14:11.25 | prpplague | [g2]: :P |
| 14:11.40 | [g2] | hey you missed the 5 4 3 2 1 .... :) |
| 14:11.55 | koen | prpplague: the baseband cpu keeps turning of the application cpu |
| 14:12.04 | koen | prpplague: some handshaking/init issue |
| 14:12.13 | prpplague | [g2]: hehe |
| 14:12.48 | prpplague | koen: hmm |
| 14:13.00 | prpplague | koen: so do we have code for that module? |
| 14:13.41 | koen | 2.4 code and some bootloader sources |
| 14:13.54 | koen | jim_rayner and stefan_schmidt have been working on that |
| 14:14.09 | prpplague | koen: ahh ok |
| 14:14.22 | prpplague | koen: i was curious as to how the interface was working |
| 14:14.32 | prpplague | koen: the code available on the openezx pages? |
| 14:14.32 | koen | muxer over usb |
| 14:14.51 | stefan_schmidt | and handshakes over gpio... |
| 14:14.52 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:15.18 | koen | see http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-October/000813.html for the thread summing up the efforts |
| 14:17.03 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:17.41 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: it doesn't seem to like my firewall for some reason... |
| 14:20.36 | prpplague | koen: thanks |
| 14:21.21 | stefan_schmidt | I'll use it on a dedicated interface on my router. Not to much firewall rules needed this way. |
| 14:22.14 | prpplague | current the bootloader is a modified blob, correct? |
| 14:22.38 | stefan_schmidt | prpplague: yes |
| 14:24.31 | prpplague | hmm, well just about anything that uses blob could be made to use apex which is under pretty active dev |
| 14:24.54 | LaF0rge | u-boot is the only way to go :) |
| 14:25.11 | florian_kc | hi LaF0rge |
| 14:25.16 | LaF0rge | hi florian. |
| 14:25.34 | florian_kc | u-boot is always a good idea :-) |
| 14:25.37 | prpplague | LaF0rge: i find u-boot has too much bloat these days, i can do a full featured build of apex in just 12k |
| 14:25.39 | LaF0rge | I've ported u-boot to a number of arm based boards now, and it's very easy to do. If only I had some time left for ezx |
| 14:25.54 | LaF0rge | prpplague: who cares about flash usage in the EZX phones? |
| 14:26.12 | LaF0rge | I'm also currently adding USB DFU (device firmware upgrade) to u-boot, which could become handy. |
| 14:26.30 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:26.31 | LaF0rge | we want a bootloader with usb device stack. everything else isn't a good idea. |
| 14:26.57 | LaF0rge | how will you update the phone firmware with a bootloader that doesn't have usb device support? |
| 14:27.12 | mickeyl | re |
| 14:27.14 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: http://hg.maintech.de/centiboot?mf=48506e8d200b;path=/ |
| 14:27.19 | florian_kc | hi mickeyl |
| 14:27.21 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: we could talk about the license |
| 14:27.25 | stefan_schmidt | hi mickeyl Hopscotch |
| 14:27.27 | prpplague | LaF0rge: i already have some usb stack support for apex |
| 14:27.31 | Hopscotch | huhu stefan |
| 14:28.10 | prpplague | LaF0rge: basically a cdc/acm interface that can use the usbser.sys driver under windows, similiar to the serial gadget driver |
| 14:28.32 | LaF0rge | nah. |
| 14:28.55 | LaF0rge | prpplague: there is an official standard for device firmware upgrades. just because nobody uses it, doesn't mean that free software shouldn't set a good example |
| 14:29.18 | prpplague | LaF0rge: hmm, i'm not familiar with that |
| 14:29.19 | LaF0rge | cdc/acm is good for console emulation, though |
| 14:30.08 | prpplague | LaF0rge: ah interesting |
| 14:30.18 | prpplague | LaF0rge: i'll have a look at that |
| 14:30.51 | LaF0rge | prpplague: if you want example code for a device implementation, look at http://svn.openpcd.org/trunk/firmware/src/dfu/ |
| 14:31.08 | prpplague | LaF0rge: thanks |
| 14:32.49 | prpplague | LaF0rge: btw, congrads on the d-link court ruling |
| 14:33.45 | blkhawk[work] | anybody going to 23c3? |
| 14:34.01 | stefan_schmidt | blkhawk[work]: yes |
| 14:34.19 | blkhawk[work] | cool as every year i will be going too |
| 14:37.54 | prpplague | LaF0rge: is the an opensource winblows driver implementation for DFU ? |
| 14:38.11 | LaF0rge | prpplague: not that i'm aware of. |
| 14:38.28 | Hopscotch | dfu is not really specified |
| 14:38.39 | prpplague | hmm, thats a big drawback |
| 14:38.41 | Hopscotch | it just defines a way how to send data from a device and receive data back |
| 14:38.45 | LaF0rge | prpplague: but dfu-programmer (from sfu) uses libusb, so it should be possible to make it work with cygwin |
| 14:38.58 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: yes, and that's all you need. |
| 14:39.03 | Hopscotch | what you get is a send-packet/receive-packet mechanism |
| 14:39.08 | prpplague | LaF0rge: yea thats not really an option for production/commercial implementation |
| 14:39.14 | Hopscotch | yes, but you need to implement your own protocoll on top of that |
| 14:39.15 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: it's perfectly possible to have a device-independent firmware download/upload tool |
| 14:39.34 | Hopscotch | yes, as long as all firmwares implement the same commands |
| 14:39.36 | LaF0rge | prpplague: why not? you compile it once on windows and package it for your customers |
| 14:39.44 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: well, that's what the spec is for |
| 14:40.04 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: if the vendors chose to deviate from the standard, then it doesn't work. that's not something dfu specific... |
| 14:40.34 | Hopscotch | afair the standard has no knowledge about commands like "write to flash", etc... |
| 14:40.55 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: it has 'download firmware' and 'upload firmware' |
| 14:41.11 | prpplague | LaF0rge: yea i doubt management would go for that |
| 14:41.21 | Hopscotch | ok, then i remember wrong - sorry... |
| 14:41.34 | LaF0rge | prpplague: well, that's not the kind of management i want to work for then ;) |
| 14:41.59 | prpplague | LaF0rge: hehe |
| 14:43.22 | LaF0rge | prpplague: my policy is: If there is a publicly documented standard, use it. almost no matter what the cost is, even if it means in this example to write a windows dfu downloader |
| 14:43.54 | Hopscotch | windows is problematic there as it doesn't have a libusb equivalent |
| 14:43.58 | prpplague | LaF0rge: and for personal projects i tend to follow the same policy |
| 14:44.04 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: there is a libusb port for windows |
| 14:44.09 | Hopscotch | there is? |
| 14:44.10 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: where's the problem? |
| 14:44.15 | Hopscotch | seems i'm outdated... |
| 14:44.29 | LaF0rge | http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:44.34 | Hopscotch | the problem was - last time i checked - that you needed a specific kernel driver for every device |
| 14:44.46 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: libusb now supports win32, macos, *bsd and linux (at least). i think solaris is in the works |
| 14:44.55 | Hopscotch | *snuff* |
| 14:45.03 | Hopscotch | seems i haven't checked good enough |
| 14:45.21 | Hopscotch | well, i'm using ethernet now anyways |
| 14:45.22 | LaF0rge | Can be used as a filter driver for existing, already installed devices. This feature allows libusb-win32 to communicate with any installed USB device. |
| 14:45.44 | Hopscotch | ah, that's the trick... |
| 14:46.00 | LaF0rge | An user friendly GUI installer has been added for the filter driver. |
| 14:47.00 | LaF0rge | A reboot isn't necessary. *lol* |
| 14:47.29 | Hopscotch | :) |
| 14:51.30 | prpplague | LaF0rge: thanks for the info, i'll do some testing for our next device |
| 14:52.29 | LaF0rge | prpplague: no problem, happy if i can help spread the word ;) |
| 14:52.42 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:53.34 | florian_kc | hrm... my u-boot does not like sd cards :-/ |
| 14:54.30 | koen | nobody likes sd cards |
| 14:55.37 | florian_kc | so it seems.. |
| 14:57.41 | [g2] | LaF0rge I'm intrested in the u-boot usb support for the OSD |
| 14:58.36 | [g2] | http://www.neurosaudio.com/osd/osd.asp |
| 14:59.02 | [g2] | it currently uses u-boot |
| 15:00.05 | florian_kc | cute |
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| 15:27.13 | blkhawk | lo |
| 15:29.58 | florian_kc | hi blkhawk |
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| 17:30.01 | nh_work | LaF0rge: had much time to play with your E2? Supposedly mine is coming soon (from a terribly slow ebay seller). |
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| 17:55.50 | LoneStar | E6 is going to release |
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| 18:05.47 | nh_work | LoneStar: yeah, I saw that. |
| 18:06.27 | nh_work | Lonestar: I paid for my phone nearly a month ago, and am still waiting for it. :( |
| 18:16.42 | LoneStar | it's too bad |
| 18:18.41 | blkhawk | nh_work: that sounds bad - lets hope you will get it in the end |
| 18:19.12 | nh_work | blkhawk: yeah. I hope so. I paid with paypal using a credit card, so at least there are a couple of safety nets. |
| 18:26.07 | blkhawk | well |
| 18:26.30 | blkhawk | lets hope it only got stuck in customs :P |
| 18:38.19 | nh_work | blkhawk: I think he's just a bad seller. He's given me tons of excuses. |
| 18:38.49 | nh_work | He claims he shipped it on monday so we'll see I guess. |
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