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| 08:16.51 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:20.04 | stefan_schmidt | morning Hopscotch, koen, ao2 |
| 08:20.25 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:53.12 | ao2 | hallo |
| 08:56.35 | ao2 | stefan_schmidt, did you give a look to ezx8? Even if I blindly modify the code in ezx-pcap.c to go on in compilation, a bit later I have an assembly error I can't understand. |
| 09:02.18 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Sorry, I'm at work and need to generated some signed certificates for our ldap server. Reply in 40 minutes. |
| 09:03.36 | koen | ezx8? |
| 09:03.41 | koen | is that online somewhere? |
| 09:09.47 | ao2 | a preliminary version here: |
| 09:11.09 | ao2 | http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/tmp/patches-2.6.18-ezx8-pre1.tar.bz2 |
| 09:12.15 | ao2 | patches apply cleanly but some code do not compile, and I wasn't able to fix that. That was because of genirq and some other changes. |
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| 09:16.12 | stefan_schmidt | hi jim_rayner. Nice work in the wiki. |
| 09:16.26 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: I'm stalled at the same problem. |
| 09:17.32 | stefan_schmidt | I had a look at the patches from tglx to fix the in-tree driver. Most of the time he only changed the #include from asm/irq.h to linux/irq.h |
| 09:17.54 | ao2 | stefan_schmidt, maybe we should make a plan to get more acquainted about kernel programming. Doing a team study we can learn faster. |
| 09:17.59 | stefan_schmidt | But this don't help here. |
| 09:18.22 | jim_rayner | stefan_schmidt: thanks |
| 09:18.23 | koen | having the drivers in mainline would have helped |
| 09:18.33 | stefan_schmidt | The pcacp irq driver is somewhat different |
| 09:18.46 | stefan_schmidt | koen: So you care about this? |
| 09:19.11 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Send me a link, once you have the patches ready. |
| 09:19.21 | koen | stefan_schmidt: I'm pissed of at the way openezx is making it so hard for themselves |
| 09:19.42 | stefan_schmidt | koen: But you only talking. |
| 09:20.01 | koen | yes |
| 09:20.19 | koen | talking is more usefull than holding back patches |
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| 09:20.49 | koen | or waiting till the code reaches the 'perfect' state before showing it to L-A-K |
| 09:21.16 | stefan_schmidt | koen: not perfect, but working |
| 09:22.09 | koen | what's stopping you from sending pcap-irq.c to L-A-K asking for porting advice? |
| 09:23.00 | stefan_schmidt | i thought about _that_, and perhaps doing this. |
| 09:23.19 | ao2 | even a working but messy code would not be accepted, but koen is obviously right in a thing: _interaction_ with mainline is essential |
| 09:23.32 | stefan_schmidt | But you talk about submit patches for inclusion. |
| 09:24.13 | stefan_schmidt | The problem is still that i don't wrote this code and don't understand most of it. |
| 09:24.48 | stefan_schmidt | Not a good basement for submit. |
| 09:24.55 | koen | them send all the patches to L-A-K as a RFC |
| 09:25.26 | koen | I'm an not a programmer, so I can't send patches to L-A-K and respond to feedback |
| 10:22.24 | blkhawk | moin mickeyl |
| 10:22.47 | stefan_schmidt | moin mickeyl |
| 10:25.50 | mickeyl | morning blkhawk, hi stefan_schmidt |
| 10:27.19 | blkhawk | anybody know whats "special" about the startup and shutdown gifs? |
| 10:27.46 | blkhawk | I made a animated gif based on the openezx logo and it soes not work quite right |
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| 10:30.37 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:30.46 | blkhawk | morning |
| 10:30.49 | stefan_schmidt | morning florian_kc |
| 10:32.19 | blkhawk | so no idea? |
| 10:33.13 | stefan_schmidt | blkhawk: no |
| 10:34.21 | blkhawk | oh well |
| 10:34.25 | blkhawk | thanks anyway |
| 10:37.58 | jim_rayner | blkhawk: have you tried the moto gifs from /usr/language/animation |
| 10:39.20 | blkhawk | jim_rayner: ya - i can't seem to get why they are "different" |
| 10:39.29 | blkhawk | I mean the animation plays |
| 10:39.31 | blkhawk | just once |
| 10:39.36 | blkhawk | I have looping on |
| 10:40.49 | jim_rayner | blkhawk: I see, unfortunately I can't help you with that, interesting to know |
| 10:42.32 | blkhawk | wanna have it? |
| 10:44.33 | jim_rayner | I would for fun, how about putting it on the wiki |
| 10:47.52 | blkhawk | jim_rayner: I will put it there once it works - right now it only works right on a pc |
| 10:48.14 | blkhawk | http://ebn24.com/loop.gif |
| 10:53.26 | jim_rayner | blkhawk: like it : ) |
| 10:54.13 | blkhawk | I will see if I fixed it |
| 10:54.15 | blkhawk | :) |
| 10:54.28 | blkhawk | I will make a matching boot logo too |
| 10:54.41 | blkhawk | the linux pinguin i have it there is getting old |
| 10:57.38 | ao2 | nice animation |
| 10:58.39 | blkhawk | ao2: haha thanks but its really simple to make :P |
| 10:58.56 | blkhawk | I will post an update as soon as i find out wth is wrong with it |
| 10:59.07 | ao2 | I imagine, albeit simple it is quite effective |
| 11:05.37 | blkhawk | is there a usb-boot based flash app? |
| 11:05.52 | blkhawk | so one can reflash in case of a botched update? |
| 11:06.14 | blkhawk | without all the propitary motorola stuuf? |
| 11:08.12 | ao2 | I think there is a flash tool, you should see on laforge svn repository |
| 11:09.52 | blkhawk | ao2: is it the normal rwflash tool or something special? |
| 11:10.57 | ao2 | I'm looking, AFAIR it is usb based |
| 11:12.52 | blkhawk | ah - the rwflash.o is probably only needed for the stock kernel |
| 11:14.18 | ao2 | http://svnweb.openezx.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/src/host/ezxflash/ |
| 11:16.19 | ao2 | I never tried it |
| 11:18.48 | blkhawk | well i will only in an emergency |
| 11:18.57 | blkhawk | the rwflash.o happens to work well |
| 12:03.08 | jim_rayner | Does anyone have a working telnet solution via the usb gadget/device drivers on 2.6.16.13? |
| 12:05.54 | koen | eew |
| 12:05.57 | koen | why not use ssh? |
| 12:17.54 | jim_rayner | Happy to use anything, just getting the connection with the a780 is my difficulty |
| 12:28.53 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: i'll try something different - running the kernel from flash. i intended to try ezxflash anyway |
| 12:41.58 | jamey | hi florian_kc |
| 12:42.00 | jamey | hi stefan_schmidt |
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| 12:43.06 | jamey | does anyone know if Motorola designed the A780 or if it was done by someone like HTC? |
| 12:47.24 | jim_rayner | I assume Motorola due to the specifics of baseband. I believe the AP design is derived from Intel's mainstone board |
| 13:04.08 | florian_kc | hi jamey |
| 13:08.04 | koen | jim_rayner: the AP is a of-the-shelf pxa270 |
| 13:20.55 | mickeyl | it's an original Motorola design |
| 13:29.29 | jim_rayner | koen: I meant the dev board they used for prototyping |
| 13:40.52 | jamey | that's what I assumed but I thought it was worth checking |
| 13:48.29 | florian_kc | Do we have a list of codegroups for the a780? |
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| 14:29.37 | stefan_schmidt | florian_kc: We have a list with codegroups in the wiki |
| 14:30.30 | stefan_schmidt | hi jamey |
| 14:35.36 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: hmm... |
| 14:35.51 | florian_kc | stefan_schmidt: maybe i'm blind, but i don't find it |
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| 15:16.10 | florian_kc | What does "Incorrect ADDR answer at 00020000" mean? |
| 15:29.51 | ao2 | florian_kc, for more technical question it is better to write to openezx-devel ml. Harald Welte read it and he can help on such things |
| 15:30.48 | ao2 | this channel _should_ be technical as well, but there's some problem at the moment :) |
| 15:32.06 | florian_kc | ao2: ok, will do... i just sit in front of the device an want to make this stupid kernel boot as fast as pssibele to ess what my filesystem does |
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| 15:47.36 | jim_rayner | florian_kc: which source are you using |
| 15:47.59 | florian_kc | jim_rayner: the motorola source with a few patches to make it build |
| 15:50.41 | jim_rayner | is that using ezx-crosstool |
| 15:50.54 | florian_kc | no, using OE |
| 15:59.51 | jim_rayner | florian_kc: aah, apologies, is this coming out on the screen during boot? |
| 16:03.31 | florian_kc | jim_rayner: |
| 16:03.34 | florian_kc | oops |
| 16:03.57 | florian_kc | no, soem random noise only... and writing the kernel to flash fails somehow. |
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| 16:18.09 | jim_rayner | florian_kc: can you put the OE conf & patches somewhere public so can try to recreate your problem |
| 16:18.44 | florian_kc | jim_rayner: yes sure, give me some minutes |
| 16:19.17 | koen | see how it helps when people put their work online? |
| 16:20.09 | florian_kc | koen: that's one of the ideas of http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/FloriansWorkspace |
| 16:20.09 | koen | ao2: could you post the your patches (or the url) and the problems you are seeing to the mailinglist? |
| 16:20.42 | koen | I'm still annoyed by the fact that it took weeks to get the mux_cli patch online |
| 16:21.05 | koen | and the general 'cathedral' style development |
| 16:22.19 | mickeyl | there's not so much cathedral style here |
| 16:22.24 | mickeyl | it's rather no-style |
| 16:22.35 | mickeyl | because really there's nothing happening atm. |
| 16:22.36 | mickeyl | or is it? |
| 16:22.42 | koen | when it takes weeks to get code from hd -> web it's cathedral |
| 16:22.50 | mickeyl | ah that was one case |
| 16:22.52 | mickeyl | forget that one |
| 16:22.58 | koen | mickeyl: people have been working on 2.6.18 |
| 16:23.04 | florian_kc | mickeyl: i fixed a segfault in fixloader :-) |
| 16:23.13 | mickeyl | good good. very good, actually. |
| 16:23.42 | koen | mickeyl: I can't cluebat the "Oh noooos, it's not good enough yet for review" paradigma out of people |
| 16:27.16 | jim_rayner | florian_kc: no rush, playing football in a mo., will try your patches when return, about an hour or so |
| 16:27.28 | mickeyl | koen: you are thinking kernel patches? |
| 16:27.32 | koen | ah simple mail stating "I have a patch that doesn't work, maybe someone has an idea how to fix it" goes such a long way |
| 16:27.36 | koen | mickeyl: yes |
| 16:27.40 | mickeyl | ah. well |
| 16:27.50 | mickeyl | harald basically disappeared from the world |
| 16:27.51 | koen | mickeyl: the OE people tend to commit their stuff :) |
| 16:28.14 | mickeyl | if all would've run as expected, I'm sure a780 would have hit mainline |
| 16:28.20 | mickeyl | but too many business stuff came "in the way" |
| 16:28.26 | koen | mickeyl: it wouldn't |
| 16:28.40 | koen | since the code would never have been "good enough to submit" |
| 16:28.48 | mickeyl | it would have been then |
| 16:28.53 | mickeyl | because it would have been worked on |
| 16:28.57 | mickeyl | which didn't happen |
| 16:29.12 | mickeyl | so, if no kernel developer jumps in, i don't see anything happen very soon |
| 16:29.15 | koen | I think harald and stefan have way too high standards |
| 16:29.42 | koen | throw the patchset at L-A-K, record feedback and learn from it |
| 16:30.07 | koen | the feedback would give a clear TODO for people interested in working on openezx |
| 16:31.18 | koen | right now two people are working on 2.6.18 and both have trouble with the new genirq stuff |
| 16:31.32 | koen | but I only know that because I'm on IRC most of the day |
| 16:32.50 | florian_kc | hmm yes, that's a common probelm that irc is used for stuff that should go to the mailinglists |
| 16:33.17 | koen | and that asking for help doesn't hurt |
| 16:34.54 | florian_kc | koen: depends on how you ask... "it doesn't work, plz advise" ;) |
| 16:35.45 | koen | that would be "I'm porting linux 2.2.10 to ARM and it doesn't work, plz fix" |
| 16:36.47 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 16:38.39 | florian_kc | jim_rayner: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~florian/index.php?path=a780/ |
| 16:39.17 | florian_kc | jim_rayner: you just need to place the tarball in the files subdir... |
| 16:40.46 | koen | there, 'plz fix' mail sent |
| 16:46.43 | koen | http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-September/000792.html |
| 16:48.31 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 16:59.18 | ao2 | koen, thanks! Next time I will try to be less lazy. And I will try to release more and often :) even non working code. |
| 16:59.33 | koen | :) |
| 17:00.06 | koen | people without irc now know what work is being done and what problems are present |
| 17:00.17 | ao2 | claro |
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| 18:09.39 | florian | re |
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| 19:43.25 | jim_rayner | florian: your .bb and patches built okay and appears to boot to SA1100 Real Time Clock Driver |
| 19:44.53 | jim_rayner | then does nothing, can press keys and messages shown on the screen, so hasn't crashed |
| 20:05.42 | florian | jim_rayner: on a a780? |
| 20:06.16 | jim_rayner | florian: yes |
| 20:06.42 | florian | jim_rayner: using boot_usb? |
| 20:08.07 | jim_rayner | florian: yes. Difference could be gcc glibc - for 2.4 ezx I use gcc 3.3.6 with glib 2.3.2, both with mvista patches |
| 20:10.22 | florian | jim_rayner: well... my binary seems to work for stefan_schmidt |
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| 20:14.44 | jim_rayner | florian: is the problem that binaries work for others but not you. If so happy, then I'm to test the binary also |
| 20:15.40 | jim_rayner | florian: apologies, should have read I'm happy to test the binary also |
| 20:23.15 | florian | jim_rayner: ok |
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| 20:37.23 | florian | jim_rayner: http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/files/zImage |
| 20:42.22 | jim_rayner | florian: your image is the same for me, appears to boot upto the sa1100 rtc then no further |
| 20:44.59 | florian | gah... why does my stupid device refuse to boot this kernel?! |
| 20:45.14 | koen | remove the rtc driver? |
| 20:45.51 | florian | koen: that's not the point - my a780 just turns off |
| 20:46.02 | koen | right |
| 20:46.29 | koen | but it without the rtc driver jim_rayner can boot his... |
| 20:47.26 | florian | are there multiple hardware revisions if this device? |
| 20:49.48 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 20:50.02 | stefan_schmidt | puh, that was a hard day. |
| 20:50.05 | koen | there are multiple bootloader versions iirc |
| 20:51.10 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I'm just aware of one blob version used in the old phones. The new ones have a pre-bootloader and blob afterwards. |
| 20:53.16 | stefan_schmidt | But yay, i managed the exam i've learned so much for. Now only minor subject is need for my pre-diploma. :) |
| 20:53.37 | florian | stefan_schmidt: congratulations |
| 20:53.46 | stefan_schmidt | florian: thanks |
| 20:53.56 | florian | hrm... that reminds me to my own studies :-/ |
| 20:54.03 | stefan_schmidt | :/ |
| 20:55.24 | stefan_schmidt | oh yes, time... |
| 20:56.12 | florian | uh... more problems |
| 20:56.28 | florian | that stupid u-boot doesn't like to become little endian :-/ |
| 20:56.56 | stefan_schmidt | florian: u-boot for ezx, or another device? |
| 20:57.18 | florian | stefan_schmidt: for another device luckily :-) |
| 20:57.35 | stefan_schmidt | ah |
| 21:01.20 | florian | which archive is meant in Dmitry's answer? |
| 21:03.25 | florian | i guess he doesn't want me to svn up |
| 21:08.44 | stefan_schmidt | koen: I just replied to your 'please fix' mail. |
| 21:09.30 | stefan_schmidt | florian: i think he have an archive with new version of his stuff. Newer as ezx svn. |
| 21:10.13 | florian | stefan_schmidt: hmm... "newer al ezx svn" sounds broken by design ;) |
| 21:11.05 | stefan_schmidt | florian: we just pushed dimitrys code in ezx svn |
| 21:11.24 | stefan_schmidt | florian: PErhaps he has version control himself |
| 21:11.25 | florian | stefan_schmidt: ok - many thanks |
| 21:11.58 | stefan_schmidt | florian: But if there are new stuff, we need to update svn as well. So please inform me, if you find something. |
| 21:14.20 | florian | stefan_schmidt: something like this... sounds like i should just ask him |
| 21:16.49 | stefan_schmidt | florian: https://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000352.html |
| 21:19.34 | florian | stefan_schmidt: oh - many thanks |
| 21:19.48 | stefan_schmidt | florian: np |
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| 21:38.59 | florian | oops |
| 21:44.03 | florian | i'll buy a new workstation some time... |
| 21:53.44 | florian | "Erasing phone memory..." |
| 21:53.51 | florian | *scary* |
| 21:55.57 | florian | how long is this expected to take? |
| 21:57.51 | florian | ok, finished :-) |
| 21:57.54 | florian | phew |
| 22:01.11 | florian | ok, i should have removed some images |
| 22:05.21 | florian | here we go... i'd never thought i could feel lucky seeing the montavista logo ;) |
| 22:05.39 | stefan_schmidt | florian: so the flashed kernel boots? |
| 22:05.49 | florian | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 22:05.56 | stefan_schmidt | florian: congrats |
| 22:06.20 | stefan_schmidt | florian: But there is still the question, why it don't boot vie boot_usb. |
| 22:06.35 | florian | stefan_schmidt: yeah... |
| 22:07.08 | florian | ezxflash is much better than the crappy tool for the philips 968 |
| 22:07.24 | stefan_schmidt | florian: So you have a starting point for your development. |
| 22:07.44 | stefan_schmidt | i only used the rwflash kernel module |
| 22:08.59 | stefan_schmidt | can you flash the kernel only from the bootloader with ezxflash? |
| 22:09.56 | florian | should be possible... i'll try as soon as i have one without the rtc driver. |
| 22:10.42 | stefan_schmidt | interesting |
| 22:12.43 | florian | in wonder why the kernel stops at this point |
| 22:14.25 | stefan_schmidt | Try the one i build for you. This one don't stops at rtc driver. |
| 22:17.10 | florian | ok, let me try |
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| 22:20.16 | florian | stefan_schmidt: cool, works... i flashed loader and kernel only |
| 22:20.52 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Nice, you mean blob with loader? |
| 22:20.53 | florian | stefan_schmidt: ok - why doesn't your kernel stop at the rtc driver? |
| 22:21.44 | stefan_schmidt | florian: I just noticed it. Don't to anything special. |
| 22:22.04 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ah moment |
| 22:22.07 | florian | stefan_schmidt: maybe i need to use a different compiler |
| 22:23.24 | stefan_schmidt | florian: i use the old ezx-crosstool. (To lazy for something new atm) |
| 22:23.44 | stefan_schmidt | florian: But before another compiler try this kernel code: http://ftp.gpl-devices.org/pub/vendors/Motorola/A780/original_kernel.tar.gz |
| 22:23.54 | florian | stefan_schmidt: which gcc does it use? |
| 22:24.07 | florian | stefan_schmidt: ok |
| 22:24.12 | stefan_schmidt | It's one released before opensource.motorola.com |
| 22:24.44 | stefan_schmidt | i used it because of the ezxbutton.h stuff. Perhaps there are more changes in it. |
| 22:25.02 | stefan_schmidt | arm-linux-gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 |
| 22:26.17 | florian | ok, i used 3.4.4 |
| 22:31.59 | stefan_schmidt | time to sleep. night all |
| 22:32.30 | florian | stefan_schmidt: good night and thaks for your help |
| 23:07.33 | florian | good night |
