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| 06:08.37 | LaF0rge | mahlzeit |
| 06:37.56 | Hopscotch | gooooooooooooood moorrrrrrrrrrrning |
| 06:57.15 | LaF0rge | gruesse aus mumbai :) |
| 06:57.21 | Hopscotch | huch |
| 06:57.43 | Hopscotch | ich hab die woche grüße aus antalya geschickt - quasi von dort wo drei stunden später ein bombenkrater war |
| 06:57.46 | LaF0rge | gestern noch in bangalore, heute in mumbai ;) |
| 06:57.51 | LaF0rge | aha |
| 06:58.21 | Hopscotch | hast du die ccc-jungs mal angesprochen wegen dvb-t? |
| 06:58.47 | LaF0rge | ja, interesse besteht |
| 06:58.51 | Hopscotch | subba |
| 06:59.07 | LaF0rge | man will dich mit den ilmenauer videoleuten kurzschliesen bzgl. uebergabeschnittstellen/etc |
| 06:59.14 | Hopscotch | ah, klasse |
| 06:59.32 | Hopscotch | dann sollte ich vermutlich mal nen vortrag anmelden :) |
| 07:01.26 | Hopscotch | bist du eigentlich am w/e auf linux-kongress oder bist noch in indien? |
| 07:38.17 | LaF0rge | ich bin in berlin |
| 07:38.26 | LaF0rge | eli hat da ihren umzug, ich kann nicht zum kongress |
| 07:38.34 | LaF0rge | bin nur vom 3.9.-10.9. in .de |
| 07:38.54 | Hopscotch | oh - eine woche |
| 07:39.03 | Hopscotch | schade... :( |
| 07:39.27 | Hopscotch | ich hoff, der umzug wird net zu stressig - ich hab da letztens bei freunden mitgeholfen udn hatte hinterher zwei tage lang rückenschmerzen... |
| 07:39.51 | LaF0rge | ich hatte da bisher noch keine probleme... hoffe nicht dass es diesman anfaengt |
| 07:40.07 | Hopscotch | hehe - sind es besonders viele bücher oder besonders viele schuhe? :) |
| 07:41.16 | LaF0rge | beides |
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| 07:41.37 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: mist :) |
| 07:43.55 | Hopscotch | hi koen_ |
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| 07:44.30 | koen_ | good morning all |
| 07:44.37 | Hopscotch | :) |
| 07:44.37 | ao2 | hi |
| 07:44.40 | Hopscotch | hiho |
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| 08:13.43 | stefan_schmidt | morning all |
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| 08:27.30 | koen | hey stefan_schmidt |
| 08:29.49 | stefan_schmidt | hi koen |
| 08:30.45 | koen | I'll have a look at putting exz7 in OE later today |
| 08:32.41 | stefan_schmidt | nice |
| 08:42.14 | koen | | drivers/char/sa1100-rtc.c:130: error: static declaration of 'rtc_interrupt' follows non-static declaration |
| 08:42.19 | koen | the rtc bug is stil in |
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| 08:45.29 | koen | and the serial bug as well: |
| 08:45.30 | koen | | drivers/serial/pxa.c:246: error: static declaration of 'serial_pxa_irq' follows non-static declaration |
| 08:47.31 | koen | the solution is to remove the 'static' from the function declaration |
| 08:48.22 | stefan_schmidt | koen: You compile with gcc 4.x? |
| 08:48.34 | koen | yes |
| 08:48.36 | koen | 4.1.1 |
| 08:48.58 | stefan_schmidt | ok, i don't tested this. sorry |
| 08:49.06 | koen | after remove the two statics: NOTE: package linux-ezx-2.6.16.13-ezx7-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 08:49.44 | stefan_schmidt | Wanna provide a small gcc4-fix.patch for the other gcc 4.x user? |
| 08:49.55 | koen | working on it |
| 08:50.07 | stefan_schmidt | thanks |
| 08:50.54 | stefan_schmidt | morning neolynx |
| 08:51.21 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: The vibrator works fine on a780, but e680. |
| 08:51.40 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: It's included in ezx7 |
| 08:52.13 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: cool, just saw it |
| 08:54.49 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: Where in the original driver some ifdefs to different between a780 and e680? |
| 08:57.46 | koen | NOTE: Applying patch 'sa1100-rtc-gcc4.diff' |
| 08:57.47 | koen | NOTE: Applying patch 'pxa-serial-gcc4.diff' |
| 08:58.05 | mickeyl | morning |
| 08:59.26 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 08:59.28 | stefan_schmidt | morning mickeyl |
| 08:59.34 | koen | hmm |
| 08:59.49 | koen | I got the patches right the first time, before drinking coffee |
| 09:00.04 | stefan_schmidt | koen: :) |
| 09:00.05 | mickeyl | the e680 has no physical vibrator, so the code is uneffective on e680 |
| 09:00.45 | mickeyl | i'm not very happy with the vibrator API, eventually I will submit a patch to make this working w/ the LED interface. especially thanks to the timing feature of the LED it makes much more sense to do it like that than to use the ioctl API |
| 09:01.13 | koen | tie the vibrator to the network traffic :) |
| 09:01.23 | mickeyl | eeks, we don't want to kill it :) |
| 09:01.25 | koen | the more you use gprs, the more it vibrates |
| 09:01.46 | neolynx | stefan_schmidt: no ifdefs... |
| 09:02.20 | stefan_schmidt | neolynx: mickeyl just explained that the e680 has no physical vibrator. So it don't work. |
| 09:02.40 | mickeyl | the way the e680 vibrates is they're sending low frequency waves through the loudspeaker |
| 09:02.47 | mickeyl | which is funny, but it seems to work |
| 09:03.02 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Ah, blhawk talked about this. |
| 09:04.05 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Just discuss your ideas for the vibrator with neolynx. This was his first patch, too. :) |
| 09:04.30 | neolynx | mickeyl: yeah :) tell me more about the times LEDs ... |
| 09:04.35 | neolynx | mickeyl: yeah :) tell me more about the timed LEDs ... |
| 09:04.53 | neolynx | mickeyl: you can echo 1 - 4 to /dev/vibrator |
| 09:05.08 | neolynx | mickeyl: not only ioctl like the original driver does |
| 09:05.40 | stefan_schmidt | koen: The patches will be available here: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-ezx/ ? |
| 09:08.06 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: btw, i don't included your fullscreen logo as it makes development harder. But i like to do this later, when we are going stable. |
| 09:10.01 | mickeyl | neolynx: just have a look at the new LED driver. you get timings and triggers for free as these are provided by the generic led class driver. |
| 09:10.03 | koen | stefan_schmidt: the patches *are* available there ;) |
| 09:10.31 | stefan_schmidt | koen: i just saw your commit in #oe :) Thanks |
| 09:10.32 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: sure thing |
| 09:13.42 | LaF0rge | hi mickeyl! |
| 09:14.00 | mickeyl | cheers LaF0rge! |
| 09:14.05 | mickeyl | how's india been to you? |
| 09:14.19 | LaF0rge | great, as usual. |
| 09:14.28 | mickeyl | (i just sent you a mail re. ssh, it's all ok now, i have no idea why, but it's good :) |
| 09:14.34 | LaF0rge | the immigration already asks me 'why do you keep coming back so often' |
| 09:14.38 | mickeyl | heh, really? |
| 09:14.48 | mickeyl | you didn't seem to like the GPLv3 conference very much... |
| 09:15.00 | LaF0rge | maybe just the dns record wasn't updated yet |
| 09:15.09 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: I've just updated the oe tree |
| 09:15.43 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ok, i have a couple of changes in my local tree which i need to rsync today. |
| 09:51.33 | koen | "linux 2.4.18" |
| 09:56.25 | mickeyl | heh |
| 09:56.28 | mickeyl | which device |
| 09:56.28 | mickeyl | ? |
| 09:56.34 | koen | simputer amida |
| 09:56.54 | koen | sa1100 based |
| 09:57.03 | koen | and probably a sa1110 for usbhost |
| 10:36.14 | LaF0rge | koen: yes, it's old crap. new hardware in the pipeline |
| 10:36.36 | LaF0rge | the interesting stuff is the (still proprietary, but that will change) UI, check amidasimputer.com |
| 10:36.39 | koen | LaF0rge: new hardware can still use 2.4.ancient :( |
| 10:36.49 | koen | ah, right |
| 10:36.59 | koen | I remember mallum cursing at them |
| 10:37.10 | koen | they violate the gpl by using matchbox |
| 10:37.36 | koen | they say the wrote a lib from scratch using the exact function names from matchbox.... |
| 10:42.15 | LaF0rge | koen: they did write it from scratch |
| 10:42.21 | LaF0rge | honestly. |
| 10:42.53 | koen | last I heard mallum didn't believe them |
| 10:43.16 | LaF0rge | koen: when was that? |
| 10:43.27 | koen | last year or so |
| 10:43.33 | LaF0rge | they have sent the code to an independent expert, who verified it. |
| 10:43.48 | LaF0rge | I've just ben talking to their senior management staff (CTO, etc.) |
| 10:52.40 | LaF0rge | koen: actually even back then when they were alleged of the copyright infringement they contacted me |
| 10:53.10 | LaF0rge | koen: and asked me how to proove that they're innocent. and they did as I suggested: find an independent expert, release the code under NDA to him, and have him verify it |
| 10:54.06 | koen | ah, ok |
| 10:54.20 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: how is it which immigration to india? would they allow you to stay? |
| 11:07.49 | koen | stefan_schmidt: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/a780/ |
| 11:23.59 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Angstrom for a780 with ezx7? cute |
| 11:24.18 | koen | that bootstrap-image includes strace and gdb :) |
| 11:24.31 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 11:24.45 | koen | but I suspect you need to untar the modules.tar.gz to get some modules |
| 11:25.04 | stefan_schmidt | Are you able to build gpe-image or opie-image for angstrom and a780? I would test it. |
| 11:25.39 | koen | gpe yes, opie no |
| 11:26.29 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: ? i don't want to stay but come back ;) |
| 11:26.44 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: but the immigration official was happy with my reply "i love india"" |
| 11:26.48 | stefan_schmidt | gpe has a working tscalibrate again? |
| 11:27.13 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: i very much hope you stay in germany |
| 11:27.26 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Only for one week... |
| 11:27.50 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: but it's interesting to know ones options :) |
| 11:28.28 | koen | stefan_schmidt: gpe-image is in the same dir |
| 11:28.44 | koen | stefan_schmidt: but I'd like to get the basis working before going to GUIs :) |
| 11:29.32 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Thanks. I just like to give it a quick test in the evening. :) |
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| 11:33.51 | stefan_schmidt | hi [g2] |
| 11:37.58 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt hey! welcome back from vacation ! |
| 11:38.06 | [g2] | GL with studying |
| 11:38.20 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: thanks |
| 11:39.14 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I saw the mux patch from LaF0rge on the ml |
| 11:39.31 | [g2] | you mentioned you were trying to get OE updated |
| 11:39.38 | [g2] | what's the status on that ? |
| 11:39.59 | [g2] | LaF0rge THX for sending that patch out btw |
| 11:43.01 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I just have my problems with using oe. No big problems, but i have not the time atm to dig into it. |
| 12:22.54 | LaF0rge | g2: sorrry for keeping it so late |
| 12:23.34 | [g2] | LaF0rge a million THX for all you do -- don't sweat the small stuff :) |
| 12:24.13 | [g2] | on balance you're miles ahead in the game |
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| 13:57.39 | LaF0rge | if any of you wants to tune into india: http://213.251.129.40:80 ;) |
| 14:09.21 | mickeyl | strange kind of music |
| 14:09.28 | mickeyl | interesting though |
| 14:33.10 | LaF0rge | ;) |
| 14:33.13 | LaF0rge | i _love_ it |
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| 15:42.31 | SuN | Hm, interesting music. |
| 15:42.56 | SuN | It's more... cheerful than western middle eastern music. |
| 15:44.31 | SuN | And less.. esoteric than most western/middle Asian music. |
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| 15:59.32 | mickeyl | righto |
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| 18:24.06 | LaF0rge | whois sun |
| 18:24.28 | LaF0rge | ;). |
| 18:24.29 | Hopscotch | sun is set |
| 18:24.32 | Hopscotch | :) |
| 18:24.50 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: it is very much here... 5mins to midnight |
| 18:24.57 | Hopscotch | hmmm |
| 18:25.12 | Hopscotch | we have a thunderstorm coming to würzburg |
| 18:25.21 | LaF0rge | we have monsoon :) |
| 18:25.34 | Hopscotch | ok, you win :D |
| 18:26.11 | LaF0rge | they already have sandbags at the entrances of all buildings |
| 18:26.19 | Hopscotch | oh god... |
| 18:27.00 | LaF0rge | the most heavy rains here apparently are over (this year june/july) |
| 18:27.37 | LaF0rge | other parts of india are currently swamped by torrential rains. |
| 18:28.36 | LaF0rge | the most interesting bit i read today was gsm 02.30 |
| 18:28.51 | LaF0rge | "man-machine interface of the mobile station" |
| 18:29.03 | LaF0rge | describes how the keyboard is supposed to look like |
| 18:29.09 | LaF0rge | and that you ought to see the number you're dialling ;) |
| 18:29.31 | Hopscotch | not all phones have that... |
| 18:30.22 | LaF0rge | The use of this clause 5 of the specification is not mandatory. |
| 18:30.38 | LaF0rge | The organization providing the facility may require "Approved to 02.30-Section 5" as part of its procurement |
| 18:30.38 | LaF0rge | specification. |
| 18:31.21 | Hopscotch | that explains how it is possible that a phone i recently saw only hat voice dial and a small mirror where the buttons belonged |
| 18:31.52 | LaF0rge | that nokia strange stick phone? |
| 18:32.10 | LaF0rge | i had to use one of these recently in shanghai |
| 18:32.25 | Hopscotch | yeah, afair it was a nokia |
| 18:32.33 | Hopscotch | girlie thing... |
| 18:32.44 | LaF0rge | i don't think so |
| 18:33.06 | LaF0rge | that one I'm referringto is more "graphical designer" and "mac user" thingie |
| 18:33.52 | Hopscotch | hmmm |
| 18:34.57 | ao2 | <Hopscotch> we have a thunderstorm coming to würzburg |
| 18:35.20 | Hopscotch | righto |
| 18:35.51 | ao2 | ... The name of my english teacher at Liceo (high scool) was Wurzburger :) |
| 18:36.12 | Hopscotch | hehe |
| 18:36.19 | ao2 | and she was storming, trust me |
| 18:36.24 | Hopscotch | lol |
| 18:37.06 | LaF0rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.06 | LaF0rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.28 | Hopscotch | i wonder why.... |
| 18:37.41 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: yes, I don't understand that either. |
| 18:37.52 | LaF0rge | maybe one should call up the ETSI |
| 18:38.02 | LaF0rge | and ask themfor guidance |
| 18:38.29 | LaF0rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.29 | LaF0rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.09 | Hopscotch | hmmm |
| 18:39.10 | LaF0rge | on/off switch: optional |
| 18:39.12 | LaF0rge | *g* |
| 18:39.29 | Hopscotch | mine doesn't have one |
| 18:39.47 | Hopscotch | and neither a reset button - which would really make sense... |
| 18:52.30 | LaF0rge | A user may cause a DTMF tone to be generated by depression of a key |
| 18:52.36 | LaF0rge | very depressing |
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| 22:23.35 | [g2] | did you guys see this ? http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15659 |
| 22:34.23 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Not yet. |
| 22:36.13 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I'm interested in your OE issues |
| 22:37.04 | [g2] | I've got a LiveCD that includes all the tools to run OE like monotone 0.28 and build openezx among other things |
| 22:37.17 | [g2] | or whether it's just OE churn that's the issue |
| 22:41.51 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, nothing technical in the article. Working with the community? hmm |
| 22:42.32 | [g2] | exactly working with the community |
| 22:42.59 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: It's only oe churn. Monotone and bitbake works fine. |
| 22:43.25 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: But i was still not able to produce an opie or gpe image myself. |
| 22:43.35 | [g2] | that's why I'd like to have semi-frozen versions for stuff like the a780 machine |
| 22:43.54 | [g2] | I produced both about a 1/1.5 months ago |
| 22:44.06 | stefan_schmidt | yes, atm i use the oe of the day. :) |
| 22:44.08 | [g2] | I think I even produced the qemu image |
| 22:44.48 | stefan_schmidt | Of course it works, sometimes. :) |
| 22:44.59 | [g2] | so simply base lining (just preferred versions for openezx) would go a long way to solving that issue |
| 22:45.09 | stefan_schmidt | It's more a problem with myself to dig into it. |
| 22:45.30 | [g2] | not really :)... I've been using OE for nearly 2 years now |
| 22:46.16 | [g2] | OE and the OE community are great, but it's really a "developer" mindset and that's an OE developer |
| 22:47.09 | [g2] | the OE community is trying to reach out with documentation and lots of super enhancements |
| 22:47.27 | [g2] | but it's still a work-in-progress as are a lot of open source things |
| 22:48.10 | stefan_schmidt | jip, but that's no problem for me. My problem is time to work with it. |
| 22:48.53 | stefan_schmidt | I can see that the stuff works good as i use different oe based images for tests on my phones. |
| 22:50.32 | stefan_schmidt | I'm just not able to build one myself. |
| 22:53.41 | [g2] | well it should be as simple as checking out a specific rev of the OE metadata |
| 22:55.19 | stefan_schmidt | If you have one for me, i can test it tomorrow. |
| 23:07.41 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I'll try doing an update and build later |
| 23:09.13 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: thanks |
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| 23:16.13 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
| 23:16.19 | [g2] | sweet dreams |