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| 08:19.10 | stefan_schmidt | gug |
| 08:24.47 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 13:42.16 | jonwil | hi |
| 13:42.49 | stefan_schmidt | jonwil: hi |
| 13:46.08 | jonwil | I replaced my lost phone today |
| 13:46.14 | jonwil | I lost my old phone and now have a new one :) |
| 13:49.13 | stefan_schmidt | ezx this time? |
| 13:49.29 | jonwil | no, cant get ezx in australia |
| 13:49.35 | jonwil | and couldnt afford ezx in any case |
| 13:49.42 | jonwil | plus, they dont make ezx in candybar shape |
| 13:49.49 | jonwil | This one is a motorola L6 |
| 13:51.18 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 13:52.01 | jonwil | not that I wouldnt mind an ezx though :) |
| 13:53.54 | blkhawk[work] | why has it to be candy bar? |
| 13:54.21 | jonwil | I dont like clamshell phones |
| 13:55.06 | blkhawk[work] | well the e series isn't really clamshell |
| 13:55.13 | blkhawk[work] | its something else |
| 13:55.19 | jonwil | I seen it, I just dont like the way it looks |
| 13:55.23 | blkhawk[work] | same goes fot the A |
| 13:55.25 | blkhawk[work] | true |
| 13:55.37 | blkhawk[work] | they are not the slickest phones there are |
| 13:55.48 | blkhawk[work] | but i had a nokia 3650 before that |
| 13:56.01 | blkhawk[work] | and after that beast everything looks beautiful |
| 13:56.06 | jonwil | give me EZX phone in form factor of L6, L7, e378i, e398, e1000 or similar and I would be interested |
| 13:56.08 | blkhawk[work] | google for an image ;) |
| 13:56.23 | jonwil | compared to a motorola, any nokia is crap :) |
| 13:56.31 | blkhawk[work] | jonwil: i think the main problem is fitting the screen atm |
| 13:56.41 | blkhawk[work] | jonwil: oh, hardwarewise? |
| 13:56.44 | blkhawk[work] | yes i agree |
| 13:56.53 | jonwil | true, ezx phones have bigger screen than normal motos |
| 13:56.54 | blkhawk[work] | softwarewise maybe too |
| 13:57.02 | blkhawk[work] | but the ui is far better |
| 13:57.21 | blkhawk[work] | jonwil: exactly |
| 13:57.27 | jonwil | have you used normal non ezx motos or just ezx? |
| 13:57.56 | blkhawk[work] | just ezx - I played with the non-ezx phone of a frind for a bit |
| 13:58.03 | blkhawk[work] | better than ezx |
| 13:58.08 | blkhawk[work] | but not better than nokia |
| 14:00.04 | agd5f | I have to agree. I hate the flip phones too, but motorola seems to only make tri-band candy bar phones |
| 14:00.24 | jonwil | I believe the L7 is quad band I think |
| 14:04.53 | jonwil | even my new phone L6 says it is quad band on moto website |
| 14:05.27 | jonwil | besides, even if its not quad band out of the box, there is probobly a SEEM edit you can do to turn it on :P |
| 14:06.09 | jonwil | so anyone who says there are no quad band candybar motos is talking crap |
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| 16:25.59 | [g2] | does anyone know if high-speed (480) is supported on the a780 USB port ? |
| 16:29.11 | Hopscotch | nope, it is only usb 1.1 |
| 16:30.28 | blkhawk | ya |
| 16:30.31 | blkhawk | only 1.1 |
| 16:30.40 | blkhawk | Full Speed ahead :=) |
| 16:41.15 | [g2] | heh ... full speed ahead :) -- damn the torpedos |
| 16:41.56 | [g2] | hey for $262 US that I paid for the A780 it's a great deal |
| 16:42.37 | [g2] | and 1MB/sec isn't that bad an xfer rate |
| 16:43.05 | [g2] | s/guess/guesses/ |
| 16:43.40 | [g2] | Hopscotch blkhawk I'd also guess it's a 1.1 intf between the AP and BP too, right ? |
| 16:44.10 | Hopscotch | right |
| 16:44.18 | [g2] | excellent. THX |
| 16:45.17 | blkhawk | [g2]: the tf could do more |
| 16:55.16 | [g2] | blkhawk any idea how fast it runs ? Is it connect with 4 pins ? |
| 16:55.50 | [g2] | I've build the hdparm ipkg, but didn't download and test it yet |
| 16:56.22 | [g2] | hmmm... we may want to setup and ipkg repo |
| 17:01.40 | blkhawk | i have no idea really |
| 17:02.04 | blkhawk | but it does not feel any different from the internal flash |
| 17:02.08 | blkhawk | speedwise |
| 17:02.14 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 17:02.58 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: ipkg repo sounds good. If you need space, just ask harald for an dev-account. |
| 20:06.27 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|fifa2006: FYI: Harald has added your feed to http://planet.openezx.org/ |
| 20:07.56 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt is mickey|fifa2006 running a feed ? |
| 20:09.15 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: Yes, he wrote earlier this day: |
| 20:09.25 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl> if you want to add it to the planet, try http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/category/opensource/openezx/feed |
| 20:09.54 | [g2] | thx |
| 20:10.38 | stefan_schmidt | If anybody else have a blog with openezx category drope me or harald a mail. |
| 20:12.02 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt I was thinking about setting up the ipkg feed for at least one OE OpenEZX distro |
| 20:12.57 | [g2] | I'll be doing automated builds and pushing to a repo makes a fair bit of sense |
| 20:20.54 | stefan_schmidt | Nice. It's fine to have the possibility to install pakcages an easy way. |
| 20:21.52 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt well we can set it up to have the default ipkg repo point to planet.openezx.org |
| 20:22.19 | [g2] | then ppl would just build / boot and be able to ipkg update; ipkg install foo |
| 20:22.46 | [g2] | IMHO the more difficult question is what kind of distro to produce |
| 20:24.25 | [g2] | I'll have to check my web stats and see if anyone is pulling the Ubuntu build scripts |
| 20:25.31 | stefan_schmidt | I still prefer to let the user the choice which kind of GUI he would like to use. |
| 20:25.51 | stefan_schmidt | So we can start with an OPIE feed and add more later. |
| 20:26.22 | stefan_schmidt | Perhaps _bambam like to add a feed for eem. |
| 21:04.15 | [g2] | is BT working on the A780 ? |
| 21:04.34 | [g2] | or do we need some BCM drivers ? |
| 21:07.18 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: The BCM driver from the kernel works. We just need some init done. |
| 21:07.35 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt excellent |
| 21:07.50 | stefan_schmidt | There is a working bluez setup with the normal firmware. |
| 21:08.14 | stefan_schmidt | Some guy replaced the moto bluetooth driver with the one from bluez. |
| 21:08.45 | [g2] | Ok. I'm thinking of porting/creating and opie app (or using the opie media player 2) to remotely control Rhythmbox via BT |
| 21:08.45 | stefan_schmidt | I think harald wrote more about this to the ml... |
| 21:08.58 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 21:09.12 | [g2] | the other option is to stream to the phone via BT |
| 21:09.47 | [g2] | so basically walk outside and plug the phone's headset into speakers and then have the audio server stream toons for playing from the A70 |
| 21:09.53 | [g2] | s/A70/A780/ |
| 21:11.01 | [g2] | or even make a custom reciever for a BT module |
| 21:11.32 | [g2] | so basically one could remotely stream to the phone within like 100m |
| 21:14.23 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000334.html |
| 21:15.12 | [g2] | stefan_schmidt THX. you didn't have to look that up for me, but I do appreciate it :) |
| 21:22.26 | stefan_schmidt | [g2]: I was not sure, where i've read about it. Quick search in my mutt and finding the the html link was no big problem. |
| 21:22.28 | stefan_schmidt | :( |
| 21:22.31 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 21:53.14 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Ugly, but yellow. ;) http://openezx.org/test-yellow/ |
| 21:53.57 | ao2 | :) |
| 21:54.20 | ao2 | yes quite ugly, my eyes are crying |
| 21:54.21 | ao2 | :) |
| 21:55.28 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 21:55.59 | stefan_schmidt | My creative skills are lousy... |
| 21:56.37 | SuN | Could use some fancy gradients :) |
| 21:57.41 | SuN | stefan_schmidt: is it possible to change the stylesheet to have fonts in em instead of px? |
| 21:57.53 | ao2 | i will look at the css, fonts in em are good, too |
| 21:58.05 | SuN | The links on the left are way too small for me (and probably a lot of people that run 1280x1024+ ) |
| 21:58.07 | ao2 | we really want that page lloks good on our phones, too :) |
| 21:58.31 | SuN | Hm, Opera will take care of that... but I'm not sure if that should really be a requirement. |
| 21:59.07 | SuN | Better redirect to smallscreen.openezx.org or something. |
| 21:59.33 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: At the moment i only hack around in haralds css file. |
| 22:00.11 | stefan_schmidt | It would be perfectly fine for me if somebody would like help out for the layout of the page. |
| 22:00.21 | ao2 | SuN, maybe screen dimension can be handled simply using multiple stylesheets |
| 22:00.30 | SuN | I can help, but I'll have to know what my limits are. |
| 22:01.14 | SuN | ao2: possibly, but something should feed the right stylesheet then. |
| 22:01.19 | SuN | Could be scripted pretty easily though. |
| 22:01.34 | ao2 | in CSS2 we can specify media type |
| 22:01.35 | blkhawk | hmmm |
| 22:01.37 | ao2 | example: |
| 22:01.38 | ao2 | handheld |
| 22:01.39 | ao2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.59 | blkhawk | I should make a logo from the offical logo to flash to my phone |
| 22:02.51 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: I would like to keep the most content as is atm. So just modify the css file as first step. |
| 22:03.02 | SuN | blkhawk: perhaps animate it. |
| 22:03.08 | ao2 | create a openezx theme for the stock moto software could be an idea, too. Just for merketing :) |
| 22:03.22 | ao2 | marketing |
| 22:04.26 | SuN | stefan_schmidt: I understand... but I really suggest changing the menu structure sooner or later. |
| 22:06.39 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: We can do. We can even switch away from docbook. |
| 22:07.30 | SuN | Is that what's underneath it? |
| 22:07.32 | stefan_schmidt | But i don't like to mess around with things like cms, php, etc.. |
| 22:08.02 | SuN | How is the content currently generated? |
| 22:08.04 | stefan_schmidt | Yes. docbook-website |
| 22:08.39 | SuN | Hm, I've never seen that, need to look into that. |
| 22:08.40 | stefan_schmidt | We have xml files from which we generate the html files via makefile. |
| 22:09.00 | SuN | Sounds complicated. |
| 22:09.03 | SuN | ANd the xml is handmade? |
| 22:09.19 | stefan_schmidt | Just edit some things in the xml file and make && make distrib and the site is up to date |
| 22:09.50 | SuN | Heh, that may sound simple to you, but it sounds like a lot of work to me. |
| 22:10.02 | stefan_schmidt | Perhaps there are easier way, but harald and me are noe webdesigners at all. |
| 22:10.34 | stefan_schmidt | Harald uses this for netfilter.org, gpl-violations.org and some more projects. |
| 22:10.57 | stefan_schmidt | So the most stuff was already there and we only modified it a bit. |
| 22:12.36 | stefan_schmidt | As told before. If you've a good concept for another system, layout, whatever, i see no problem to change. |
| 22:13.26 | stefan_schmidt | Personally i like plain xhtml. |
| 22:14.00 | SuN | I'm not sure about a system that could be used, I've written some stuff myself, but the stuff I have written always involves having to write at least the content in (x)html manually (e.g. manually add linefeeds, hrefs, etc). |
| 22:14.14 | SuN | As for the layout, does docbook have any restrictions? |
| 22:15.29 | stefan_schmidt | I don't looked to deep atm. But it should be flexible. |
| 22:17.58 | SuN | You know.. I didn't think the orange version was bad at all (and not just because I'm Dutch) :) |
| 22:18.31 | SuN | Yellow and black makes it rather cold. |
| 22:18.59 | TommyMT | is there a official openezx-logo? |
| 22:20.40 | SuN | TommyMT: it's going to be based on this: http://www.subverse.co.nz/ezxlogo.html |
| 22:20.56 | TommyMT | but it's not final? |
| 22:21.30 | SuN | Close to, I think. |
| 22:22.06 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: This is the one, we voted for: http://www.subverse.co.nz/images/openezxf.png |
| 22:22.15 | TommyMT | Ok - as soon as it is final, I'll set is as logo for the wiki |
| 22:22.33 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 22:24.20 | stefan_schmidt | I think we'll have some different version, but font color should be fixed soon. |
| 22:24.58 | SuN | LaF0rge: why? |
| 22:25.07 | LaF0rge | a project homepage without any interaction or user-customized-portal-whatever features doesn't need it. |
| 22:25.23 | SuN | Well, you don't have to generate the page on each request, I agree. |
| 22:25.32 | LaF0rge | sun: i can give you a neverending list of reasons. security. being able to mirror it. performance. ... |
| 22:25.34 | SuN | But scripts to write out the html would help. |
| 22:26.03 | LaF0rge | sun: thats what we currently do. we have xml files that create html files which are statically served. |
| 22:26.03 | SuN | Scripts with something other than raw XML input, which sounds like a pain to me. |
| 22:27.07 | LaF0rge | well, depends. we write raw c code all the time ;) |
| 22:27.44 | SuN | Developers will be developers, I guess :) |
| 22:28.08 | LaF0rge | but I'm open to use templates and a database to generate the xml first. the docbook-xml has the advantage of being able to create other formats (for printing, etc.) from the same source |
| 22:28.35 | ao2 | What about a style like that? http://aint.ath.cx/~nine/openezx.html |
| 22:28.59 | SuN | Hm, to me, the yellow/black combo is very depressing. |
| 22:29.34 | SuN | I like the style otherwise though. |
| 22:29.34 | LaF0rge | i wouldn't call it depressing. but ... looking for a dictionary... |
| 22:29.51 | LaF0rge | exhausting ;) |
| 22:29.55 | LaF0rge | stressful? |
| 22:29.59 | ao2 | bluish colors would be easier to eyes, but keeping consistent with the logo would be a good think as well |
| 22:30.00 | LaF0rge | no. tiring! |
| 22:30.42 | SuN | Blue wouldn't necessarily conflict with the logo, I guess. |
| 22:30.49 | SuN | But please keep it away from primary blue :) |
| 22:30.55 | SuN | Darker, ok. Lighter, ok. |
| 22:31.16 | ao2 | with a bit of roundness here and there the yellow-black can be less tiring. Siure SuN I was not talking about pure blue :) |
| 22:31.51 | SuN | A lot of black generally gives an unfriendly appearance, if you ask me. |
| 22:31.52 | ao2 | ok, it's sleeping time. good night |
| 22:31.58 | SuN | Maybe switch the black and light-grey. |
| 22:32.09 | ao2 | i agree, SuN. good suggestion |
| 22:32.14 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: night |
| 22:32.14 | SuN | Or keep the black part white and use black borders, maybe. |
| 22:32.19 | SuN | G'night |
| 22:32.23 | LaF0rge | So as far as my opinion is concerned, I am very open to any suggestions on style. but I would definitely like to keep my hands on the technical side. |
| 22:32.32 | LaF0rge | ao2: night |
| 22:32.37 | ao2 | bye |
| 22:32.58 | SuN | LaF0rge: that's not a problem, as long as there's a way to change stuff in the layout without too much trouble. |
| 22:33.11 | SuN | You can do a lot with stylesheets, of course. |
| 22:33.50 | SuN | But I have doubts about the menu structure. |
| 22:34.20 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: What would you prefer? |
| 22:34.29 | LaF0rge | well, the way the menu is layed out is implemented by an XSLT. if we touch that, we can change about anything. |
| 22:34.46 | SuN | Plus.. validated xhtml is foor cool guys, but not if you use tables for layout :P |
| 22:34.49 | LaF0rge | but it's fundamentally hierarchical, that would be hard to change |
| 22:34.52 | SuN | stefan_schmidt: I'm thinking about it. |
| 22:35.24 | SuN | LIke, one thing that's rather pointless to me, is the contact menu with an extra webmaster link... unless you're going to add more addresses, it's pointless to have a submenu. |
| 22:36.25 | LaF0rge | yes. |
| 22:36.27 | SuN | ANd the About part doesn't have enough text to really justify submenus either. |
| 22:36.33 | LaF0rge | sun: that's mainly from copy+paste from other sites. |
| 22:37.04 | LaF0rge | sun: and that can all be changed by just touching layout.xml. removing a single line per entry, type make. |
| 22:37.42 | SuN | Alright, simple enough. |
| 22:39.02 | SuN | Also, I'd suggest a different layout (instead of the bars) for the menu options, the way they are now suggests they're title bars, but they're really menu options. |
| 22:39.21 | SuN | Basically, all the sublinks can leave... not sure about the news links though. |
| 22:39.53 | LaF0rge | sun: sounds reasonable |
| 22:40.35 | SuN | I like how you can instantly click on the news items, but the font size is too small right now, making it bigger would make it too big to fit in the menu, and it might just be too much information. |
| 22:41.54 | LaF0rge | sun: ack. |
| 22:41.54 | stefan_schmidt | We can remove the date in front of it. |
| 22:42.18 | LaF0rge | stefan: we can remove the indentation and make the lines wrap |
| 22:42.27 | LaF0rge | basically there's only one line that is too long |
| 22:42.29 | SuN | HM, wrapping is bad, IMHO |
| 22:42.42 | SuN | That'll make a big unreadable mess. |
| 22:43.09 | stefan_schmidt | Then we need short and long titles for the news. |
| 22:43.32 | stefan_schmidt | Short one for the menu and long for the real news |
| 22:44.18 | LaF0rge | stefan: i think we actually have them already. <title></title> and <titleabbrev></titleabbrev> |
| 22:44.26 | LaF0rge | but anyway, I dislike the whole way how news are done now. |
| 22:44.31 | LaF0rge | that needs to be an rss feed |
| 22:44.42 | stefan_schmidt | yes |
| 22:44.54 | LaF0rge | the docbook website xslt has included support, so you just xlink/xinclude the rss feed and it renders a list of the individual entries |
| 22:45.09 | LaF0rge | i think i tested that at one of the sites once... dunno where. |
| 22:45.18 | LaF0rge | but it's more or less documented in the docbook-website docs |
| 22:45.43 | stefan_schmidt | I'll take a look at the we. |
| 22:47.24 | SuN | One thing that's done on a lot of sites, is to make the news page the default homepage, so it won't need links in the menu, so, in the menu, news would be on top, then "about" or maybe simply "what is openezx?", "mailing lists", "contact", "links" |
| 22:47.40 | SuN | Hm, I forgot to build a verb construction in the last part, heh. |
| 22:47.52 | SuN | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ <- example |
| 22:47.59 | SuN | I think that's elegant and plain. |
| 22:48.12 | SuN | Incidentally, I like the colors too :) |
| 22:48.45 | LaF0rge | sun: yes, that scheme (news on the top page, via rss) would actually be possible very straight-forward with docbook-website, too. |
| 22:49.08 | stefan_schmidt | What about 2-3 phrases about the project first and the news afterwards. |
| 22:49.38 | SuN | Not a bad idea. |
| 22:50.34 | SuN | Would look a bit silly if one clicks on news though... unless it's not visible there, but that'd mean there has to be a "home" button, or people will never be able to navigate back to the introduction. |
| 22:50.58 | stefan_schmidt | So we have a short intro and the newest information both on the first site. |
| 22:51.25 | SuN | Actually.. here's an idea: front/homepage: short intro, 2-3 phrases or even a bit more, then top 3 (or more) news items, with a link to "More news...". |
| 22:52.00 | SuN | Left menu would be "Home", "News", "Mailing lists", "Contact", "Links", etc. |
| 22:52.05 | SuN | And no short news in the menu. |
| 22:52.31 | stefan_schmidt | Yes, that is good. |
| 22:53.12 | SuN | The "About website" option can be kept, but IMHO it shouldn't be in the main menu... maybe as a small link at the bottom, next to the validate xhtml link. |
| 22:53.37 | stefan_schmidt | I'll present something tomorrow evening. |
| 22:53.41 | SuN | Perhaps put that on one line with the copyright notice, with some separator between the different objects. |
| 22:54.02 | stefan_schmidt | Need some sleep. |
| 22:54.40 | stefan_schmidt | goodnight |
| 22:54.46 | SuN | G'night |
| 22:54.51 | LaF0rge | night stefan |
| 23:00.57 | [g2] | nite stefan |
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