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| 06:57.45 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:11.09 | stefan_schmidt | good morning |
| 07:16.08 | LaF0rge | hi stefan |
| 07:17.56 | stefan_schmidt | hi LaF0rge |
| 07:18.21 | stefan_schmidt | You have to earn money for more gadgets. ;) |
| 07:33.46 | LaF0rge | that, too. but I'm mostly annoyed with the AP/BP handshake problems |
| 07:34.01 | stefan_schmidt | take your time |
| 07:34.01 | LaF0rge | takes some time to get back the motivation ;) |
| 07:35.03 | blkhawk[work] | Morning |
| 07:35.15 | stefan_schmidt | morning blkhawk[work] |
| 07:35.19 | blkhawk[work] | :) |
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| 11:11.11 | Hopscotch | mahlzeit |
| 12:05.40 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 12:23.02 | LaF0rge | re |
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| 13:03.48 | stefan_schmidt | hi agd5f ao2 |
| 13:03.58 | ao2 | hallo |
| 13:11.30 | agd5f | hey |
| 13:47.56 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:48.08 | mickeyl | THE PHONE IS THERE |
| 13:48.13 | stefan_schmidt | yeah |
| 13:48.18 | koen | mickeyl: congrats |
| 13:48.21 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 13:48.29 | mickeyl | the battery is wrapped in some stuff with a hologram |
| 13:48.35 | mickeyl | am i supposed to remove that stuff before putting it in? |
| 13:49.18 | stefan_schmidt | i'm not sure what you mean here. |
| 13:49.48 | mickeyl | a white cover with text written on it |
| 13:50.02 | stefan_schmidt | oh |
| 13:50.11 | stefan_schmidt | no, let it on |
| 13:50.15 | stefan_schmidt | just put it in |
| 13:50.18 | mickeyl | hmm ok, it hardly fits in with the cover though |
| 13:50.47 | stefan_schmidt | same here |
| 13:51.00 | mickeyl | i'm afraid i won't be able to pull it out once it's in |
| 13:52.05 | stefan_schmidt | after you've done it 30 times. It works great. ;) |
| 13:52.09 | mickeyl | heh, ok |
| 13:52.23 | mickeyl | i'll run and buy a prepaid SIM for the a780 |
| 13:52.28 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 13:52.32 | stefan_schmidt | bye |
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| 15:19.22 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 15:19.32 | koen | stefan_schmidt: wb |
| 15:36.58 | mickeyl | re |
| 15:37.09 | mickeyl | looks like I'm too dumb to see in which direction the transflash card should be inserted |
| 15:37.14 | koen | heh |
| 15:37.26 | mickeyl | contacts on the upper side or not? |
| 15:37.36 | koen | mickeyl: send your phone to me and I'll insert if for you ;) |
| 15:37.54 | mickeyl | heh, i'm just careful. i know these slots are fragile |
| 15:38.11 | mickeyl | and of course there isn't a picture of inserting a card in the manual |
| 15:38.35 | koen | google? |
| 15:39.35 | stefan_schmidt | moment, i take a look |
| 15:39.40 | mickeyl | thank! |
| 15:39.41 | mickeyl | s |
| 15:40.29 | stefan_schmidt | Contacts first, text to the backside of the phone |
| 15:40.43 | mickeyl | thanks, trying.... |
| 15:41.19 | mickeyl | phew. it's in |
| 15:41.23 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 15:44.22 | mickeyl | ok, charging. I'll leave it there for an hour now and clean the dishes |
| 15:44.30 | mickeyl | sorry for being so chatty, but i'm really excited :D |
| 15:47.09 | ao2 | I think we can understand you :) |
| 15:47.37 | stefan_schmidt | :D |
| 16:10.21 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: oh, please keep exited! |
| 16:15.26 | LaF0rge | keep being excited ;) |
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| 17:28.46 | koen | mickeyl: is it done charging yet? |
| 17:29.27 | mickeyl | no, still charging. I played with the MOTO interface a bit. Not bad, but definitly something we can do much better |
| 17:29.43 | mickeyl | nice highres display |
| 17:29.50 | mickeyl | keys feeling pretty good |
| 17:30.03 | mickeyl | cam with fullscreen finder is also fun :) |
| 17:30.14 | mickeyl | i hate the .mid ringtones :D |
| 17:30.48 | mickeyl | first thing my wife said "oh that looks cute. can i have it after you're done?" |
| 17:30.57 | koen | :) |
| 17:31.01 | mickeyl | "honey, it'll take a while...." |
| 17:31.12 | Hopscotch | hehe - she doesn't want it after you're done :) |
| 17:31.18 | Hopscotch | at least if it looks like harald's |
| 17:31.21 | mickeyl | heh. that's right :D |
| 17:31.37 | mickeyl | "honey, it boots a kernel into a framebuffer console... now you can have it" |
| 17:31.55 | koen | "it shuts off after 1 minute too" |
| 17:32.19 | mickeyl | oh and... it doesn't work as a phone... but other than that.... |
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| 17:32.37 | mickeyl | hey tim |
| 17:32.40 | mickeyl | how are you doing? |
| 17:35.30 | mickeyl | TimRiker: you're no longer doing any embedded things? |
| 17:42.22 | Hopscotch | sadly they're pretty expensive |
| 17:43.17 | koen | and a780 vs a1200 |
| 17:44.37 | LaF0rge | koen: I have an apple bt keyboard, but i'm unable to make it work with any linux/bt device I own |
| 17:44.51 | TimRiker | mickeyl: well, it's not my main job at the moment, still hacking on things on the side. |
| 17:45.36 | TimRiker | need to hack up the bluetooth stack so I can toggle using my laptop keyboard with the phone over bluetooth. |
| 17:45.51 | koen | LaF0rge: I have a 'smart bt keyboard' which uses SSP instead of HID |
| 18:05.35 | LaF0rge | i think it's quite easy to make bt on the openezx kernel working, though |
| 18:05.46 | LaF0rge | should be just a bit of PCAP register twiddling. |
| 18:06.03 | LaF0rge | but since i cannot even get that keyboard to work with my desktop linux, it wouldn't reeally help [me] |
| 18:14.10 | koen | is it possible to run devmem2 during the initial handshake? |
| 18:14.19 | koen | or can you distill everything from the 2.4 source? |
| 18:22.47 | LaF0rge | devmem2 ? what is that? |
| 18:23.11 | LaF0rge | for getting BT Working? That's just telling the PCAP to enable one of its power supplies |
| 18:23.32 | LaF0rge | both AP and BP can switch on/off individual power supplies |
| 18:23.38 | LaF0rge | actually, you can even set the voltage |
| 18:27.41 | LaF0rge | of course once both run, there has to be some cooperation |
| 18:27.56 | LaF0rge | but as of now, the BP is not operational, so we have 'all power over registers' |
| 18:28.18 | LaF0rge | we can even prevent the phone from being switched off via power button, if we pull the reset line to BP and keep it pulled ;) |
| 18:32.17 | LaF0rge | power off apparently happens in a way that PCAP2 interrupts the BP, which then tells pcap to switch off certain power regulators |
| 18:32.53 | LaF0rge | in normal operation mode, the BP will allert the AP to shutdown, and only then power off after AP has shut down. |
| 18:35.13 | LaF0rge | not to mention, i would be very thankful for anyone verifying my thesis in http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-May/000435.html by flashing the current 2.6.x kernel into the phone rather than using boot_usb |
| 18:36.44 | Hopscotch | anyone means "tommy and me" i guess? |
| 18:39.07 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: no, stefan or mickey or whoever could also do it, i guess ;) |
| 18:39.15 | Hopscotch | hehe |
| 18:39.30 | Hopscotch | well, your phone is at tommy's place right know |
| 18:39.36 | Hopscotch | and tommy is working on the eeg stuff |
| 18:39.44 | Hopscotch | but i could pick it up tomorrow |
| 18:40.30 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Sorry, i'm out here. Still have no devel phone. Use it day-by-day. :( |
| 18:40.31 | agd5f | LaF0rge: http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/handhelds.org/packages/devmem2/ - it's a simple program for read from and write to anywhere in memory. useful for figuring out how handhelds are wired up or configured |
| 18:41.33 | LaF0rge | agd5f: we have no questions whatsoever on the AP side |
| 18:41.51 | LaF0rge | the BP is totally separate, nothing memory mapped/... |
| 18:42.24 | Hopscotch | which doesn't make things easier... |
| 18:42.52 | LaF0rge | if it wasn't powering off the AP, it would be easy. |
| 18:48.17 | LaF0rge | my theory could also be verified by adding some printk's to the original kernel and then flashing that |
| 18:48.37 | LaF0rge | oh, no printk's. |
| 18:49.15 | LaF0rge | but somehow make it noticable (e.g. switch on and off the backlight) that in the 'power-on pressed too short' case the BP gets power and then a WDI2 interrupt to shut down |
| 18:49.25 | LaF0rge | could maybe even verified electrically |
| 19:24.57 | koen | are 07.10 (de)muxers generic? |
| 19:25.06 | koen | I see a lot of phone projects writing their own |
| 19:29.20 | LaF0rge | koen: AFAIK there are quite a few optional features in the protocol. |
| 19:29.31 | LaF0rge | so it might be that some phones support them and some not |
| 19:29.42 | LaF0rge | the muxers that i've seen so far only implement the minimum subset |
| 19:30.06 | LaF0rge | and they tend to do it in userspace, which i think is good for prototyping/testing, but not for the final release |
| 19:31.03 | LaF0rge | but i think it should be feasible to write one that suits all, even if it has to contain some workarounds or tables of device-specific settings |
| 19:31.23 | koen | I think the h6300 people did one in the kernel, but I'm not sure |
| 19:33.08 | LaF0rge | oh, good. |
| 19:33.21 | LaF0rge | i hope it's implemented as a line discipline. do you have a url for me? |
| 19:34.33 | koen | it should be in OE: packages/linux/linux-h6300-omap1-2.6.16.16/ |
| 19:35.12 | LaF0rge | ok, i'll check |
| 19:35.49 | LaF0rge | maybe it can be reused. my plan was to submit something generic to the kernel. a generic line discipline. |
| 19:35.59 | koen | sounds good |
| 19:40.56 | koen | I always get confused between all the different projects doing phone stuff |
| 19:42.20 | koen | LaF0rge: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gsmmux/ |
| 19:42.48 | LaF0rge | koen: yes, i know that one |
| 19:42.55 | koen | ah, ok |
| 19:43.01 | LaF0rge | i was planning to use this for prototyping in ueserspace with libusb |
| 19:45.55 | mickeyl | I'll attempt to boot our kernel some time tomorrow. How do I know that things work? Do we have framebuffer + output? Is there any way to see bootloader output? |
| 19:50.36 | Hopscotch | hmmm... after reading some of gsm07.10 i think it is much like x.25... |
| 19:50.41 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: you mean via boot_usb or flash? |
| 19:50.46 | LaF0rge | boot_usb ist pretty painless. |
| 19:50.48 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: boot_usb |
| 19:51.08 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: framebuffer is working, you can actually run Xfbdev on it, with touchscreen |
| 19:51.24 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: well, it's itu/etsi protocols ;) |
| 19:51.36 | LaF0rge | aren't they all somehow similar |
| 19:51.41 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: communication goes via usb-ethernet yet? |
| 19:51.46 | mickeyl | i.e. ssh |
| 19:51.59 | LaF0rge | yes |
| 19:52.00 | LaF0rge | exactly |
| 19:52.08 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: q.921 is the same stuff... seems like they never gave up after they lost to tcp/ip |
| 19:52.16 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ok, excellent. last question for now, do i need to remove the battery or is there a way to turn on/off after a kernel panic? (i won't insert a bootable transflash on first try) |
| 19:52.20 | LaF0rge | serial console (with some specially-made usb cable that actually runs rs232 on the usb plug) used to work but is broken now |
| 19:52.37 | LaF0rge | just use the power-off key |
| 19:52.58 | LaF0rge | it works instantaneously when BP is in flash mode (like boot_usb does) |
| 19:53.04 | mickeyl | ah woot! |
| 19:53.10 | mickeyl | excellent testing conditions |
| 19:53.10 | LaF0rge | so switching on/off is faster than with the original firmware |
| 19:53.24 | mickeyl | great! can you upload your last-known-good defconfig please? |
| 19:53.29 | mickeyl | i want to start from something known |
| 19:53.33 | LaF0rge | mickey: it's in the quilt patchset |
| 19:53.39 | LaF0rge | as .config |
| 19:53.49 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: hmm really? it looked like there were many things built as modules |
| 19:53.57 | mickeyl | important things like touchscreen and usb :) |
| 19:54.02 | LaF0rge | yes |
| 19:54.10 | LaF0rge | touchscreen is a module for easier debugging/development |
| 19:54.16 | LaF0rge | and usb-host is a module for the same reason |
| 19:54.22 | LaF0rge | usb-device is built-in |
| 19:54.35 | mickeyl | hmm ok, so when I want to boot without a transflash i need to compile these things in |
| 19:54.36 | LaF0rge | so you ssh in and load those modules. |
| 19:54.58 | LaF0rge | yes, but you can't use the touchscreen without userspace anyway |
| 19:54.59 | LaF0rge | ;) |
| 19:55.03 | LaF0rge | neither the usb-host |
| 19:55.12 | LaF0rge | because it's not attached to anywhere outside of the device |
| 19:55.24 | mickeyl | *nod* :) |
| 19:55.31 | LaF0rge | so what's the problem? no tf card? |
| 19:55.38 | LaF0rge | wasn't there one included with the phone/ |
| 19:55.46 | mickeyl | i'm a bit reluctant to pull it off and in again |
| 19:55.48 | LaF0rge | mine came with 256mb tf card for the map |
| 19:55.54 | mickeyl | the slot appeard pretty fragile to me |
| 19:55.59 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 19:56.04 | mickeyl | i have one as well (copilot) |
| 19:56.08 | LaF0rge | i can assure you it will survive many cycles ;) |
| 19:56.28 | LaF0rge | if you're worried, check for the TF physical specs and look for the number of insertion cycles ;) |
| 19:56.31 | blkhawk | :) |
| 19:56.33 | mickeyl | heh, ok. |
| 19:56.38 | LaF0rge | [i didn't do that, but I plug/unplug all the time] |
| 20:01.16 | LaF0rge | unfortunately http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/OEM/WhitePapersAndBrochures/TransFlash/TransFlash_Brochure.pdf doesn't give an insertion/removal cycle count |
| 20:01.49 | mickeyl | ok, crossing fingers then :D |
| 20:04.06 | LaF0rge | mickey:; hey, it's meant to be removed/inserted. |
| 20:04.38 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: hmm you mean that's the 'removable' in 'removable disk' ? |
| 20:06.43 | LaF0rge | pqi says 10,000 mating cycles |
| 20:07.02 | mickeyl | that will do until we have it working ;) |
| 20:07.51 | LaF0rge | apparently all vendors of connectors say 10k as well (such as http://anh.electronic.com.tw/products/connectors/memory-card/microsd.htm) |
| 20:08.30 | LaF0rge | ok, one of them says 5,000 |
| 20:11.16 | mickeyl | fair enough# |
| 20:11.22 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 21:25.15 | mickeyl | ok, the first boot wasn't very successful |
| 21:25.21 | mickeyl | all i got was some fancy colors |
| 21:25.31 | koen | ah, so the magic smoke didn't escape |
| 21:25.31 | mickeyl | had to remove the battery to get it off |
| 21:26.55 | mickeyl | anyone ever seen it fail like that? |
| 21:27.54 | mickeyl | guess i should boot a known-good kernel first.... |
| 21:30.30 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: After you have loaded the kernel via usb_boot it takes some time to uncompress. |
| 21:31.15 | stefan_schmidt | Then some fancy colors and kernel messages in the framebuffer afterwards. |
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| 21:36.15 | mickeyl | cu |
| 21:36.19 | mickeyl | so the fancy colors are normal |
| 21:36.29 | mickeyl | but i didn't see any messages in the fb |
| 21:44.12 | mickeyl | hmm darn |
| 21:55.26 | mickeyl | anyone have LaF0rge's ezx6 zImage handy? |
| 21:58.52 | ao2 | I'll send you in a moment |
| 21:59.27 | mickeyl | great, thanks |
| 21:59.37 | mickeyl | i need to know what's going wrong here |
| 21:59.46 | mickeyl | whether it's my toolchain, the kernel, the boot_usb or whatever |
| 22:00.04 | koen | from years of experience, I suspect the latter |
| 22:00.52 | ao2 | http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/tmp/zImage |
| 22:01.14 | mickeyl | thanks. |
| 22:01.18 | mickeyl | you booted that one successfully? |
| 22:01.25 | ao2 | I compiled the image myself and I can confirm it does work |
| 22:01.34 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:02.39 | mickeyl | ok, same situation |
| 22:02.47 | mickeyl | hangs |
| 22:02.51 | mickeyl | probably right after decompressing |
| 22:03.42 | ao2 | it happened one time or two for me, screen white with some bluish stripes. But all the other times harald kernel booted just fine |
| 22:04.12 | mickeyl | yes, exactly that here |
| 22:04.29 | koen | is there a backup battery present? |
| 22:04.45 | mickeyl | besides, i have a flag entry that's new |
| 22:04.48 | mickeyl | i just added it into the wiki |
| 22:04.55 | mickeyl | 0x958a95aa |
| 22:05.01 | mickeyl | enough tests for today |
| 22:05.05 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:05.40 | ao2 | bye |
| 22:05.51 | ao2 | I go, too |
| 22:12.55 | SuN | Doh! |
| 22:13.12 | SuN | All this time I wonder why I'm not getting any output in minicom from my simpad... |
| 22:13.18 | SuN | THen I realize the cable isn't even connected. |
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| 22:48.59 | jonwil | hi |