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| 06:30.33 | blkhawk[work] | lo |
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| 06:53.59 | stefan_schmidt | morning |
| 07:14.26 | LaF0rge | hi stefan |
| 07:14.50 | LaF0rge | although I made some minimal progress just before falling asleep |
| 07:15.59 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:19.03 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I read your blog entry. :( |
| 07:19.32 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: But you should eat even it don't work. ;) |
| 07:39.39 | LaF0rge | stefan: I'm trying to loose some weight anyway |
| 07:39.57 | LaF0rge | [although the plan is not to eat nothing ;)] |
| 07:40.30 | LaF0rge | scnr |
| 07:42.10 | stefan_schmidt | rofl |
| 07:50.38 | Hopscotch | mahlzeit :) |
| 08:05.30 | LaF0rge | efore the cuppa was finished we had drawn a conclusion “A Geek’s girlfriend is web 2.0” - She has a face, at times a front end with rounded corners but beyond that she is mostly just a nice concept ;) |
| 08:45.20 | SuN | Black, white or red.. that IS the question. |
| 09:14.07 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Do you have killed the openezx apache? |
| 09:14.24 | stefan_schmidt | stefan@fairlight:~/Projekte/OpenEZX/svn.openezx.org/trunk/homepage/xml$ telnet www.openezx.org 80 |
| 09:14.25 | stefan_schmidt | Trying 213.95.27.124... |
| 09:14.25 | stefan_schmidt | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 09:17.21 | ao2 | hallo |
| 09:17.51 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: hi |
| 09:37.10 | LaF0rge | stefan: restarting the vps |
| 09:37.16 | LaF0rge | stefan: now it has bigger resourec limits |
| 09:37.55 | LaF0rge | i don't really want those limits anyway. but they are _obligatory_, even though theoretically Kconfig allows you to disable them, it doesn't work |
| 09:50.21 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Thanks. Apache eats memeory again? |
| 09:51.55 | stefan_schmidt | http://www.openezx.org/news.html#20060515 |
| 10:09.18 | ao2 | hey, stefan_schmidt. I think I have an idea for the logo, but I have not the drawing skill to make a professional looking one. Can I submit simply my idea and a draft, and let someone else can reuse it? |
| 10:11.12 | file | ^_^ |
| 10:12.19 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: of course. Just write it into the wiki. A new page like logo_proposals would be fine. |
| 10:14.26 | ao2 | When I talk about "professional looking" I think to the new FreeBSD logo, for example. That is very nice IMHO. |
| 10:14.44 | stefan_schmidt | Do you have a link? |
| 10:15.38 | ao2 | http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html |
| 10:16.45 | stefan_schmidt | looks good. |
| 10:16.57 | stefan_schmidt | And they have a _lot_ of artwork. :) |
| 10:20.51 | file | why am I up so early... |
| 10:22.03 | stefan_schmidt | file: to long in italy... |
| 10:22.13 | file | yes, very true |
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| 10:25.13 | file | how is everyone doing today? |
| 10:35.08 | ao2 | I've got a cold. |
| 10:42.05 | file | :\ |
| 10:42.12 | file | warm up and drive that cold away! |
| 10:43.02 | ao2 | thanks |
| 11:02.30 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: I just added a stub. http://wiki.openezx.org/Logo_proposals |
| 11:02.55 | ao2 | ah, ok |
| 11:03.39 | ao2 | I was putting a page on my site. I will link it in that page. |
| 11:05.04 | ao2 | thanks |
| 11:05.23 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 11:33.43 | stefan_schmidt | http://people.openezx.org/stefan/10-minutes-inkscape-proposal.png |
| 11:35.41 | stefan_schmidt | http://people.openezx.org/stefan/10-minutes-inkscape-proposal.svg |
| 11:35.41 | stefan_schmidt | i know my grphic skills are bad... |
| 12:28.30 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 12:41.25 | LaF0rge | re |
| 12:46.40 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Who should i contact to get upload file working on wiki.openezx.org? |
| 12:46.43 | stefan_schmidt | http://wiki.openezx.org/Special:Upload |
| 12:51.48 | LaF0rge | stefan: TommyMT or hopscotch |
| 12:52.21 | stefan_schmidt | ack |
| 12:52.34 | TommyMT | stefan_schmidt: I'll activate it |
| 12:53.05 | stefan_schmidt | thanks |
| 12:54.24 | TommyMT | stefan_schmidt: should be working now |
| 12:54.33 | LaF0rge | tommy: thanks |
| 12:55.09 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: wow, that was fast. :) |
| 12:55.46 | TommyMT | stefan_schmidt: it wasn't too hard (chown www-data:www-data /var/www/wikis/openezx/images/) |
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| 12:58.55 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: OK, so i have a new problem for you. :) |
| 12:59.05 | stefan_schmidt | Try upload a valid PNG |
| 12:59.06 | stefan_schmidt | The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. |
| 13:00.07 | TommyMT | moment... |
| 13:07.49 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: Works now. Thanks |
| 13:17.37 | stefan_schmidt | TommyMT: Something is still wrong with mime type here. 2005-05-15-Johannes-Traub.png (37KB, MIME type: text/plain) |
| 13:17.56 | stefan_schmidt | Perhaps that is the reason why the image is not displayed. |
| 13:24.30 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 13:30.46 | stefan_schmidt | The A1200 kernel source is available. |
| 13:31.05 | webmind | yay |
| 13:31.57 | stefan_schmidt | But the website is a pain. ;) |
| 13:34.55 | stefan_schmidt | PRODUCT=E680|PRODUCT=E680I|PRODUCT=A780|PRODUCT=SUMATRA|PRODUCT=SUMATRAI|PRODUCT=HAINAN|PRODUCT=BARBADOS|PRODUCT=MARTINIQUE |
| 13:35.26 | stefan_schmidt | The codenames looks interesting. Perhaps more new models. :) |
| 13:42.46 | ao2 | here is my logo proposal: http://shell.studenti.unina.it/~ospite/section/it/etc/openezx.html |
| 13:42.54 | ao2 | I will add it to the wiki |
| 13:44.22 | SuN | LaF0rge: "That's why we condone copying of original Motorola firmware images as |
| 13:44.22 | SuN | well as proprietary motorola firmware update software. " -> if you say it like that, you're saying you tolerate stolen firmware, I don't think that's what you want :) |
| 13:45.41 | SuN | stefan_schmidt: could be the A8xx and A9xx series, or Rokr E2 |
| 13:46.17 | ao2 | s/condone/condemn ? A lapsus? :) |
| 13:47.17 | SuN | Or simply "not condone" :) |
| 13:48.39 | SuN | https://opensource.motorola.com is a very good step. |
| 13:48.51 | SuN | Though one could say it took them too long in the first place. |
| 13:49.30 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: Cool pictures. The dog beast idea is interesting. :) |
| 13:49.32 | LaF0rge | SuN: thanks |
| 13:50.27 | LaF0rge | ao2: great idea, indeed |
| 13:54.17 | ao2 | thanks, added to the wiki |
| 13:58.34 | LaF0rge | the a1200 seems pretty similar. |
| 13:58.53 | LaF0rge | i thought I once read that it was running 2.6.x, but that apparently was just some wrong rumour |
| 13:59.06 | LaF0rge | a1200 has FOTA support (flash-update on the air). |
| 13:59.14 | LaF0rge | that kind of stuff makes me get the creepes |
| 13:59.41 | LaF0rge | *rotfl* start_reason.c |
| 14:00.58 | SuN | Most ads talk about 2.4 (not sure why that's relevant enough to put in an ad on Ebay). |
| 14:03.40 | stefan_schmidt | wow the diff from a780-e680 to a1200 kernel is big. 14MB |
| 14:03.52 | LaF0rge | stefan: most of it is noise, I guess |
| 14:03.57 | LaF0rge | it actually looks very similar |
| 14:04.04 | LaF0rge | pcap, ezx-ts, sound, ... |
| 14:04.44 | LaF0rge | the have some better power management, the FOTA stuff, selinux, etc. |
| 14:05.16 | LaF0rge | even the low-level init code arch/arm/mach-ezx/hainan.c is very similar to the old a780.c |
| 14:05.22 | LaF0rge | usb-device stack is the same |
| 14:05.38 | LaF0rge | I can't find a defconfig for it, though |
| 14:06.07 | stefan_schmidt | So we need to figure out the small intersting bits from the noise... |
| 14:10.43 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: arch/arm/def-configs/ezx-hainan ? |
| 14:14.19 | LaF0rge | stefan: oh, sorry |
| 14:15.13 | LaF0rge | so they do have selinux activated |
| 14:17.14 | LaF0rge | and nfsroot support |
| 14:22.41 | stefan_schmidt | Can we buy an A1200 in germany? |
| 14:23.15 | LaF0rge | stefan: no, they don't ship yet. some stores accept pre-orders as of now, AFAIK |
| 14:23.30 | stefan_schmidt | But they plan to ship? |
| 14:24.00 | stefan_schmidt | That qould mean there is a ezx phone available on germany again. :) |
| 14:24.46 | LaF0rge | a780 still are available from stock, afair |
| 14:25.54 | stefan_schmidt | yes, from stock only. :( |
| 14:26.01 | LaF0rge | ok, apparently only a hand ful of stores by now |
| 14:26.29 | stefan_schmidt | A lot people mailed linux-magazin after my article because they get none. :( |
| 14:27.31 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, they changed to cramfs and jffs2 |
| 14:39.06 | SuN | Sounds like a good idea. |
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| 14:54.53 | LaF0rge | stefan: very unfortunate. |
| 15:05.50 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Yes. So hopefully A1200 is available soon and we can support it. :) |
| 15:06.36 | blkhawk[work] | :) |
| 15:06.40 | blkhawk[work] | works done |
| 15:06.43 | blkhawk[work] | see you all soon |
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| 16:12.20 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 16:12.43 | file | sweet... my internal build of our software knows it's version number again... pure sillyness I think |
| 16:14.06 | LaF0rge | re stefan |
| 16:14.30 | LaF0rge | stefan: oh, which one? possio? |
| 16:14.39 | LaF0rge | stefan: and i bet it's a cardbus card and not pcmcia |
| 16:15.15 | stefan_schmidt | Vopdafone Mobile Connect aka Option Qualcomm 3G CDMA |
| 16:15.34 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Yes, of course it is cardbus. |
| 16:16.07 | LaF0rge | stefan: yeah, one of the serial-over-usb-attached-to-ohci-behind-cardbus thingies |
| 16:16.21 | stefan_schmidt | 12,5 Euro the card and 12 Euro shiping from Austria. |
| 16:16.37 | LaF0rge | great |
| 16:16.50 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Yes, i read about it. Perhaps i have to add vendor id to usbserial |
| 16:16.53 | LaF0rge | stefan: you can try whether it supports ts07.10 |
| 16:17.01 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 16:17.12 | LaF0rge | AT+CMUX, IIRC |
| 16:18.12 | stefan_schmidt | Hopefully i can do some GPRS test in the evening. I still lack of an UMTS SIM. |
| 16:20.08 | file | GPRS is so... sort of slow... and laggy |
| 16:20.08 | LaF0rge | (on the a780) |
| 16:20.11 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Interesting, will there be some news about this at some time? |
| 16:20.34 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: BASE telephonie and umts flat? |
| 16:20.38 | LaF0rge | stefan: i first want to get tocuhscreen working, so people can start with gui stuff. |
| 16:20.44 | LaF0rge | stefan: yes, probably |
| 16:20.57 | LaF0rge | it's such a pity that there is no data flat rate without a voice flatrate |
| 16:21.09 | LaF0rge | I don't need voice. I don't even have 5EUR call charges on both mobile and fixed lines together a month |
| 16:21.33 | stefan_schmidt | Yes. And If you use the eplus flat, you pay the same. |
| 16:21.59 | LaF0rge | yes. but maybe you can actually make data calls (CSD) in the voice flat rate? ;) |
| 16:22.40 | file | I use more minutes then I notice some months |
| 16:22.45 | file | I fluctuate between 300 to 800 |
| 16:22.51 | LaF0rge | doing both gprs and a CSD channel to v.110/isdn on the other side would be a nice try ;) |
| 16:23.31 | stefan_schmidt | file: wow, to many girlfriends. ;) |
| 16:23.36 | file | ha |
| 16:23.45 | file | and I avoid the phone like the plague since my work is that... |
| 16:24.26 | LaF0rge | the firrst mobile phone that i ever was interested in was the a780 since you can use it for data stuff. |
| 16:24.26 | stefan_schmidt | wow this card has fancy blue and green leds. |
| 16:24.44 | file | LaF0rge: I've grown attached to my A780... contemplating switching to GSM service now |
| 16:25.08 | LaF0rge | I'm only interested in the technical aspects. gsm/isdn/dect/voip protocols. once the stuff starts working (i.e. you can make calls) it's uninteeresting. |
| 16:25.28 | file | VoIP IT UP! |
| 16:26.50 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: We have talk to them at cebit. |
| 16:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | Asking for source code, they telled us, that they had changed nothing inside the kernel... |
| 16:27.42 | stefan_schmidt | We will see |
| 16:27.51 | Hopscotch | we'll nail them :) |
| 16:27.52 | file | I am so screwed up with time... |
| 16:28.00 | file | it's only 1:30PM, and it feels like it's at least 5 |
| 16:30.39 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: Of course. :) |
| 16:32.50 | LaF0rge | file: it _is_ 6.30pm ;) |
| 16:33.25 | blobster | huh, thought it was 7:30pm :D |
| 16:36.48 | TimRiker | LaF0rge: in the US there t-mobile has a unlimited data with no voice (well $.20/min) plan for blackberries. Blackberry plans seem to work fine with the ezx |
| 16:38.20 | Hopscotch | TimRiker: just out of curiosity - do you know how much it is per month? |
| 16:38.32 | TimRiker | 29.99 or something like that. |
| 16:38.41 | TimRiker | USD that is. |
| 16:38.59 | TimRiker | ~exchange for germany |
| 16:39.17 | Hopscotch | that's a data flat for << 20 euros... |
| 16:39.17 | file | bah |
| 16:39.25 | TimRiker | purl: change 29.99 USD to EUR |
| 16:39.51 | Hopscotch | anyways - t-mobile doesn't offer a data flat in its homecountry... |
| 16:40.03 | Hopscotch | and if the would it would cost > 100 euros... |
| 16:40.26 | TimRiker | the normal phone data flat rate is like 49.99 USD. |
| 16:40.28 | LaF0rge | .nl seems to have decent data flatrates |
| 16:40.32 | file | the plan here... that I'd have to go on for fear of having to pay out all my life savings... |
| 16:40.38 | file | is $100 CAD/100MB |
| 16:41.00 | Hopscotch | ouch |
| 16:41.07 | file | 1.5MB is $15 |
| 16:41.17 | file | it's such a rip off |
| 16:41.23 | file | The 100 MB plan provides a generous data allotment for use with laptops wirelessly-enabled with a Sony Ericsson GC89 EDGE / Wi-Fi Card. |
| 16:41.27 | file | "generous data allotment" HA |
| 16:41.45 | Hopscotch | that's not even a week of the most important news sites |
| 16:41.53 | file | and then, $3/MB overage fee |
| 16:42.26 | Hopscotch | damn crap won't download anything because of firewalls... |
| 16:42.49 | file | oh, and you have to pay extra for a "VPN access account" |
| 16:42.51 | Hopscotch | luckyly it was only a testaccount without fees |
| 16:42.55 | file | which gives you a dynamic external IP |
| 16:43.17 | Hopscotch | same thing here - normal access is NAT only |
| 16:43.41 | LaF0rge | we need to open a MVNO. one that is data-only and has transparent IP access |
| 16:44.06 | file | :D |
| 16:44.12 | Hopscotch | i'm in the boat |
| 16:44.26 | file | geez, three expense reports... bloody hell |
| 16:46.09 | Hopscotch | shouldn't be too complicated over that ppp link |
| 16:47.48 | LaF0rge | timriker: yes, the mobile operaters should just do that. |
| 16:49.34 | file | so - what should we call our MVNO? |
| 16:50.01 | Hopscotch | FreeBits :) |
| 16:50.06 | file | it would actually be very cool to use all open source software to run a MVNO... like that's possible, but still very cool |
| 16:50.28 | Hopscotch | (in germany bit is a beer as well) |
| 16:50.46 | Hopscotch | sadly only the geeks will understand the pun |
| 16:53.31 | file | you know, I sometimes wonder how companies... just random companies... spring up and become an MVNO? |
| 16:53.35 | file | er, minus the ? |
| 16:54.02 | LaF0rge | it's actually quite hard at least here |
| 16:54.16 | file | not in the US apparently |
| 16:54.25 | LaF0rge | you need to do a good job in trying to convince the MNO that you're not actually stealing his customers |
| 16:54.39 | file | http://www.salefone.com/salefone/index.php there's one right there |
| 16:54.39 | LaF0rge | potential customers |
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| 18:36.40 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 18:40.19 | LaF0rge | re stefan |
| 19:09.16 | blobster | :D |
| 19:12.16 | blkhawk | mymy |
| 19:12.25 | blkhawk | it gets lively in here with all these people |
| 19:12.32 | blkhawk | not that i mind ;) |
| 19:13.37 | blobster | It would be great somehow to make this automatic. All day it would log everyhting that you do here |
| 19:42.04 | stefan_schmidt | re |
| 19:42.12 | file | ^_^ |
| 19:47.08 | stefan_schmidt | Insert the card only gives me: |
| 19:47.10 | stefan_schmidt | pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 |
| 19:47.38 | stefan_schmidt | and with /sbin/cardctl info i get no infromation |
| 19:48.59 | stefan_schmidt | So it seems damaged. But under windows, i know it's evil, i'am able enter pin and send sms. |
| 19:49.27 | file | would you say damaged... or purposely restricted |
| 19:49.50 | stefan_schmidt | restricted |
| 19:50.07 | stefan_schmidt | The card itself looks fine. |
| 19:50.11 | SuN | FIrmware requirement perhaps? |
| 19:50.19 | file | that would be evil |
| 19:50.28 | file | if it requires initial firmware to be loaded upon driver initialization |
| 19:50.38 | SuN | But not uncommon, unfortunately. |
| 19:50.53 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: Perhaps, but all i found about this card was just usbserial with special vendor and product id |
| 19:51.18 | SuN | Hm |
| 19:51.38 | SuN | Well, no cardctl ident doesn't have to mean it doesn't work. |
| 19:51.47 | stefan_schmidt | And even under windows i'm not able to get a gprs link. strange strange |
| 19:51.57 | SuN | Might be broken after all then. |
| 19:52.01 | file | stabbbbbbbbbb it |
| 19:52.54 | stefan_schmidt | file: What do you mean? |
| 19:53.01 | file | stab it. |
| 19:54.15 | stefan_schmidt | Sorry i still don't understand. :( |
| 19:54.33 | file | it's my way of solving problems, I stab them with something sharp |
| 19:54.44 | stefan_schmidt | ah |
| 19:54.45 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 19:55.01 | stefan_schmidt | Perhaps i wait with this step some more time. ;) |
| 19:55.28 | file | haha |
| 19:55.56 | stefan_schmidt | But this channel is about OpenEzx and not about Stefan-personal-problems. |
| 19:56.06 | SuN | You need some serious tool to stab a cardbus card, though. |
| 19:56.17 | file | could melt it... |
| 19:56.29 | SuN | stefan_schmidt: well, I don't see anyone talking about openezx, and so far you've been entertaining :) |
| 19:57.10 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 20:02.08 | SuN | http://koti.mbnet.fi/hannu-h/images/childmolesting.jpg |
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| 20:38.02 | ao2 | goodbye |
| 20:38.12 | stefan_schmidt | bye |
| 20:58.54 | stefan_schmidt | night |
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| 21:57.18 | SuN | :) |
| 22:06.21 | file | meep meep |
| 22:31.42 | parmaster | hi |
| 22:32.50 | stefan_schmidt | hi |
| 22:33.00 | file | hi |
| 22:33.52 | parmaster | how is everything going with the kernel? |
| 22:34.39 | blkhawk | n8 |
| 22:38.06 | stefan_schmidt | parmaster: Harald makes progress. But of course it will take some time. |
| 22:38.50 | parmaster | ah, well good to hear there is progress and everyone appreciates the effort |
| 22:39.32 | parmaster | its probably possible to add an encryption layer for voice too no? |
| 22:39.53 | parmaster | if you could work out a key exchange protocol |
| 22:40.28 | stefan_schmidt | If you make a data call, i see no problem. |
| 22:40.54 | stefan_schmidt | Voice call looks difficult to me |
| 22:41.20 | parmaster | yeah voice call requires some kind of modem |
| 22:41.45 | parmaster | always does, even on land lines |
| 22:42.10 | stefan_schmidt | parmaster: sorry, only 5 hours for sleep left. More discussion later... |
| 22:42.24 | parmaster | ah ok, sleep well :) |
| 22:42.35 | stefan_schmidt | night |
| 22:43.00 | SuN | The problem is, voice call is a fixed protocol, and it doesn't provide encryption on a user level... the only thing you can send is audio. |
| 22:45.10 | parmaster | yeah and i'm not sure that part is even touched because i think they are using a layer to keep that app seperate |
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| 22:46.00 | SuN | Also, the audio is compressed with a lossy codec, so there's no way to get a real digital signal across. |
| 22:46.32 | parmaster | right, i'm familiar with how it works :) |
| 22:46.41 | parmaster | but i can place a gsm modem call |
| 22:46.47 | SuN | OH, data call. |
| 22:46.49 | SuN | Yeah |
| 22:46.50 | parmaster | through circuit switched |
| 22:46.55 | SuN | As long as the other side supports it. |
| 22:47.00 | parmaster | rigth |
| 22:47.13 | SuN | But your bandwidth would only be 9600baud though, unless you use GPRS. |
| 22:47.22 | parmaster | i mean, i'm talking about phone running distro to phone running distro |
| 22:47.28 | parmaster | yep |
| 22:47.55 | parmaster | i've seen 14.4 work |
| 22:48.35 | parmaster | anyway it would require some kind of soft modem i guess |
| 22:49.43 | parmaster | but the phone must already have a hardware one built-in? |
| 22:49.52 | SuN | Yep |
| 22:50.16 | parmaster | so it wouldn't be too hard |
| 22:50.33 | SuN | I have a feeling it might be implemented even before real voice calls. |
| 22:51.21 | parmaster | it would just be the matter of key exchange which isn't hard.. and the ability to press something to switch from voice and go data via the modem |
| 22:51.42 | parmaster | the key exchange would actually happen after going data |
| 22:52.31 | parmaster | it would be an AT to originate and an ATR or whatever to put the modem into receive mode |
| 22:52.53 | SuN | The eventual protocol is arbitrary, anything can run on top of the data connection. |
| 22:53.06 | parmaster | right |
| 22:53.40 | parmaster | its just the ability to "go secure" once you've got a voice call going that i'm wondering about |
| 22:54.29 | parmaster | the command set supports it for the modems.. and i don't see any reasons why the hardware wouldn't be able to do it..but there might be one |
| 22:54.59 | parmaster | i run xanadux on an htc blueangel |
| 22:55.13 | parmaster | its pretty similar |
| 22:55.27 | SuN | How useful is it though? |
| 22:56.02 | parmaster | but the xanadux is built from the ground up as a distro... no native apps for the phone |
| 22:56.20 | parmaster | phone was never made to run linux.. it just simply does now :) |
| 22:56.35 | parmaster | being able to go secure? |
| 22:56.45 | SuN | No, being able to actually use the phone :) |
| 22:57.28 | parmaster | i can make voice calls on the blueangel |
| 22:57.33 | parmaster | and receive |
| 22:58.58 | SuN | How about SMS? |
| 22:59.06 | parmaster | haha, so yeah talking on the phone is well basically what its purpose in life is :-) |
| 22:59.36 | parmaster | but i'm thinking given these days and times we live in being able to go secure becomes more valuable too |
| 23:00.27 | parmaster | let me check |
| 23:01.49 | parmaster | not sure about sms right now |
| 23:01.55 | parmaster | i'll boot linux on it |
| 23:02.07 | parmaster | good part is we load linux via sd card |
| 23:02.22 | parmaster | so it keeps the WM2K3 on it |
| 23:02.33 | SuN | That's good? ;) |
| 23:02.37 | parmaster | just loses the settings after you load linux |
| 23:02.54 | SuN | Yeah I know what it's like, I used to run Linux on my Jornada. |
| 23:03.10 | parmaster | hey, its another sale it to the public point! look! it dual boots! |
| 23:03.30 | parmaster | right so you run familiar before |
| 23:03.48 | SuN | No, it was a custom thing... it had an sh3 cpu. |
| 23:03.55 | SuN | I've had a couple of Zaurii though. |
| 23:04.00 | SuN | Still have a C860 |
| 23:05.03 | parmaster | instead of those i just got the blueangel |
| 23:05.38 | parmaster | but i'd like to get an a1200 ming too ;) |
| 23:05.50 | SuN | That's definitely on my wishlist too. |
| 23:06.01 | SuN | THe blueangel form factor isn't ideal for me. |
| 23:06.13 | SuN | My E680 is a much better cellphone/pda compromise in my eyes. |
| 23:06.28 | parmaster | yeah? |
| 23:06.35 | SuN | It's a lot smaller. |
| 23:06.44 | parmaster | it has wifi right? |
| 23:06.47 | SuN | Nope |
| 23:06.53 | parmaster | ah |
| 23:06.54 | SuN | Just bluetooth. |
| 23:07.28 | SuN | WIth wifi, it'd easily be the ultimate phone. |
| 23:07.40 | parmaster | blueangel has built in wifi |
| 23:08.07 | SuN | Yeah, very nice... but I wouldn't want to carry it around as my cellphone. |
| 23:08.09 | parmaster | still waiting for them to complete the addition of the acx100 driver for it in the xanadux dist tho |
| 23:08.23 | parmaster | too big for you? |
| 23:08.27 | SuN | Yeah |
| 23:08.33 | SuN | And the antenna... pff. |
| 23:09.04 | parmaster | theres no visible antenna on a blueangel |
| 23:09.15 | parmaster | or you mean, the fact that signal sucks? |
| 23:09.24 | SuN | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/uploads/xanadux.gif |
| 23:09.28 | SuN | That's not a blueangel? |
| 23:09.33 | parmaster | no :) |
| 23:09.48 | SuN | Oh |
| 23:09.57 | SuN | Well, scratch that antenna part then :) |
| 23:10.13 | parmaster | xanadux runs on quite a few of HTC's phones |
| 23:10.46 | SuN | Well... ARM is ARM :) |
| 23:11.11 | parmaster | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel |
| 23:11.17 | parmaster | thats a blueangel |
| 23:11.25 | parmaster | yep,yaay for it being an arm |
| 23:11.55 | parmaster | what processor does e680i have? |
| 23:12.08 | SuN | PXA270, 300MHz |
| 23:12.16 | SuN | Or 312 I think |
| 23:12.39 | parmaster | hmm |
| 23:13.22 | parmaster | dunno anything about pxa270 |
| 23:13.39 | parmaster | these are xscale (arm yaay) PXA255 |
| 23:14.20 | SuN | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.51 | SuN | And PXA255 is basically a PXA250 bugfix :) |
| 23:15.04 | parmaster | ah cool |
| 23:15.04 | SuN | Which essentially made it twice as fast though. |
| 23:15.59 | SuN | The 250 had a nasty cache bug, making it hardly any faster than a strongARM 206MHz (SA1110) |
| 23:16.12 | parmaster | ah |
| 23:16.30 | parmaster | some of the old compaq ipaqs used those |
| 23:16.51 | parmaster | so what arch is the pxa270? |
| 23:17.29 | SuN | Xscale |
| 23:17.32 | SuN | Or ARM, rather |
| 23:17.44 | parmaster | yeah, same |
| 23:18.01 | parmaster | so i guess you could port familiar to it if you really wanted to |
| 23:18.13 | SuN | Without too much trouble |
| 23:18.20 | SuN | But what's really important is the phone part. |
| 23:18.42 | SuN | It needs to be more than just a compact iPaq with no wifi :) |
| 23:18.56 | parmaster | but, what i'm looking forward to.. is your harald's nice little distrocoming some day so it can get ported to htc's :) |
| 23:19.27 | SuN | Familiar not sufficient? |
| 23:19.46 | parmaster | its nice to have an open world :) |
| 23:20.00 | parmaster | do you work on the project as well? |
| 23:20.08 | parmaster | i mean as far as kernel dev |
| 23:20.20 | SuN | Nope, I'm not really into kernel stuff. |
| 23:20.50 | SuN | I'm planning on starting on phone stuff as soon as the drivers get settled, though. |
| 23:21.27 | parmaster | right, i agree.. i'm waiting for the wifi driver inas far as the blueangel is concerned... |
| 23:22.07 | parmaster | i need to load debian sarge and get everything together familiar, bitbake (openembedded) etc. |
| 23:22.41 | parmaster | i just want to be able to create workable ipkg's for familiar i guess.. |
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| 23:23.30 | parmaster | like nothing to crazy like bgp daemons and openswan or anything:) |
| 23:25.16 | parmaster | just having my phone do something in its downtime would be good |
| 23:25.34 | SuN | It has downtime? :) |
| 23:26.10 | parmaster | not like pvm.. maybe just some daemon that one of the universities wrote up to crunch numbers on them and have a pc feed it out for arm |
| 23:26.26 | parmaster | i should get a tablet pc with an arm maybe... |
| 23:26.31 | parmaster | that'd make it easier |
| 23:26.43 | SuN | I have a Simpad... but it's old. |
| 23:27.07 | SuN | This new Linux pad that was announced seems promising. |
| 23:27.17 | parmaster | url? |
| 23:28.06 | parmaster | some day these htc's will just keep selling cheaper and cheaper as people discard the |
| 23:28.10 | parmaster | them |
| 23:28.52 | parmaster | and as phones they honestly don't take that much power |
| 23:28.54 | SuN | http://madpenguin.org/cms/index.php/?m=show&id=6827&page=1 |
| 23:31.09 | parmaster | wow, that is cool |
| 23:32.16 | parmaster | the new motorola Q phone is there answer to the blackberry and it runs on a pa270 |
| 23:32.27 | parmaster | err pxa270 |
| 23:32.37 | parmaster | i wonder if its openezx arch |
| 23:32.51 | SuN | It's supposed to be Windows, I think. |
| 23:32.52 | parmaster | i only know one beta tester and he's got WM5 on it |
| 23:33.09 | SuN | Tecnically it's probably a lot like the current Linux phones. |
| 23:33.34 | SuN | Since they put the Neptune baseband in pretty much all their phones, and the pza270 platform is kept pretty standard, I think. |
| 23:34.28 | parmaster | so you think neptune is in the moto Q? |
| 23:34.44 | SuN | I'm assuming |
| 23:35.05 | parmaster | so it could run linux some day then |
| 23:35.09 | SuN | If they're bold enough to hack it into Linux, why not WIndows? :) |
| 23:35.15 | SuN | Probably |
| 23:36.23 | SuN | BUT, what Linux needs most now is a good set of embedded phone software. |
| 23:36.42 | parmaster | i completely agree |
| 23:36.45 | SuN | Frankly, I'm impressed with what Moto had done with EZX. |
| 23:36.51 | SuN | has done, even |
| 23:37.13 | parmaster | me as well |
| 23:37.22 | SuN | There's room for improvement, but as a phone, it functions quite well. |
| 23:37.36 | parmaster | oh, and ah heres the answer gomunicator under familiar has the sms support. |
| 23:37.50 | SuN | Does that work yet though? |
| 23:38.10 | SuN | Hm, apparently it does. |
| 23:38.33 | parmaster | yeah, there are some things about how far along the porting is coming though |
| 23:38.45 | parmaster | for one you have to create a raw audio file for a ringtone |
| 23:38.48 | parmaster | some other things |
| 23:38.49 | SuN | Well, as soon as the drivers get settled, I plan on dissecting gomunicator to turn it into a set of separate apps. |
| 23:39.04 | parmaster | excellent idea |
| 23:40.10 | SuN | We're probably going to need some sort of phoned that launches apps on events. |
| 23:40.32 | SuN | I'm assuming incoming calls don't get handled when gomunicator isn't running.\ |
| 23:41.00 | parmaster | correct |
| 23:41.08 | SuN | The ringtone issue is rather strange. |
| 23:41.38 | SuN | Only 16KHz |
| 23:42.09 | SuN | You know what I expect to be a real pain to create? A decent MMS app. |
| 23:42.24 | parmaster | yeah thats the first thing i looked for |
| 23:43.08 | parmaster | but you can rip code and analyze from whats in gomunicator already |
| 23:44.07 | SuN | Yeah, and move it to appropriate places. |
| 23:44.47 | SuN | Like... signal strength should go in the GPE bar, and stay there, feeding off some driver, or hooking into the phoned thingy. |
| 23:45.29 | parmaster | right |
| 23:46.07 | SuN | Not sure about message and call notification yet... I guess simple dialogs would do, but I like the flashing icon in Motorola's interface. |
| 23:52.04 | parmaster | i wonder how mucha used 3680i goes for nowadays |
| 23:52.11 | parmaster | err e680i |
| 23:53.09 | parmaster | i basically want to have preloaded pvm images (or something similar) for allthe different kinds of phones and architectures |
| 23:53.21 | parmaster | at least concentrating on arm to start |
| 23:53.48 | parmaster | it'd be cool just to have a little field of phones working on something somewhere |
| 23:54.04 | parmaster | yes, i know it sounds crazy |
| 23:54.09 | SuN | Heh, or just get a single x86 box that outpowers them all :) |
| 23:54.15 | parmaster | exactly |
| 23:55.56 | parmaster | also there is the factor of, for a poor person in third world country a phone and a usb or blutooth keyboard |
| 23:57.51 | parmaster | i mean you can actually already get a hand crank charger for one |
| 23:58.08 | parmaster | so that whole thing about the mit laptop is ridiculous |
