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| 06:51.50 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:21.29 | LaF0rge | hi |
| 07:36.19 | blkhawk[work] | Morning |
| 08:02.40 | stefan_schmidt | morning |
| 08:03.25 | LaF0rge | stefan: I have some good news from Motorola about which I'm not able to talk about. But I'll now concentrate on touchscreen/sound rather than hacking mux_cli. |
| 08:05.19 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: fine :) |
| 08:12.48 | blkhawk[work] | LaF0rge: then don't ;) |
| 08:17.24 | LaF0rge | I'm merely informing you about my change in priorities |
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| 12:39.27 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: We need a central place for the code moto released. At the moment this flying around at to many places. |
| 12:43.49 | LaF0rge | stefan: ftp.gpl-devices.org |
| 12:44.02 | stefan_schmidt | file: back from italy? |
| 12:44.25 | file | no |
| 12:44.27 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: OK |
| 12:44.39 | file | I'm sitting in the hotel lobby... I'm the last person to leave, and I leave in like 5 hours |
| 12:44.40 | stefan_schmidt | file: Wow, that is a long devel meeting |
| 12:44.44 | LaF0rge | stefan: just upload the stuff to the incoming directory and send me emai |
| 12:44.46 | LaF0rge | email |
| 12:44.48 | file | yup |
| 12:45.20 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Should i upload the cd we get last? i think you get the same one. |
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| 12:47.44 | LaF0rge | stefan: yes, I can do that. |
| 12:48.21 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: ack |
| 12:48.24 | LaF0rge | uploading right now |
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| 12:51.25 | stefan_schmidt | ysakaed: hi |
| 12:51.29 | stefan_schmidt | agd5f: hi |
| 12:51.33 | file | if anyone is in Pisa... and wants to entertain me... please yell loudly out over the city |
| 12:51.34 | file | thanks. |
| 12:52.09 | stefan_schmidt | file: :) |
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| 12:54.03 | file | in other news, my A780 has been working out great here |
| 12:56.03 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: hi |
| 12:56.11 | ao2 | hallo |
| 12:56.33 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I don't want to know how much money you spend for hardware every month. :) |
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| 13:03.25 | jonwil | hi |
| 13:03.35 | stefan_schmidt | hi |
| 13:07.43 | LaF0rge | stefan: mh, I don't want to know either ;) |
| 13:08.14 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: rofl |
| 13:09.38 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: rootfs is a good idea. So we have all the same starting point |
| 13:09.49 | LaF0rge | yes |
| 13:09.58 | LaF0rge | at least for now debian should be doing fine. |
| 13:10.54 | LaF0rge | i wonder what the status of the arm eabi port is |
| 13:11.48 | ao2 | LaF0rge, I know that they decided a name for the port so far :) |
| 13:12.35 | jonwil | Got some news from my motorola cotact which I just posted to the list |
| 13:12.45 | stefan_schmidt | ao2: wow, a name. great. ;) |
| 13:13.29 | jonwil | Firstly, they are about to launch a new site for people to download open source code from the phones |
| 13:13.56 | jonwil | secondly, they are still trying to locate some of the stuff they put on the phones (like sed and samba) which is why they werent on the earlier CD AFAIK |
| 13:14.17 | jonwil | also, they are looking into a1200 kernel plus the other stuff (such as those kernel modules that say "GPL" in them) |
| 13:14.33 | ao2 | good news jonwil |
| 13:14.45 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 13:15.08 | ao2 | but we take them with caution :) |
| 13:15.36 | jonwil | also, from what I have seen and heard, it looks like with a1200 (and future ezx phones), they are trying to find more ways to seperate GPL bits from non GPL bits |
| 13:15.47 | jonwil | so they have to give out less code/secrets |
| 13:16.18 | jonwil | and also they seem to be looking for ways to make it harder to just replace stuff (based on what I can see in the a1200 firmware image anyway) |
| 13:16.29 | jonwil | an example is the way they did the Transflash stuff in a1200 |
| 13:18.36 | stefan_schmidt | With their own bootloader we get problems to boot our own kernel. :( |
| 13:19.01 | LaF0rge | stefan: ? |
| 13:19.02 | stefan_schmidt | But perhaps this feature is still inside the chainloaded blob |
| 13:20.34 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: If i understand the mail right, they first boot into proprietary code and load blob afterwards. |
| 13:20.39 | stefan_schmidt | on A1200 |
| 13:21.13 | stefan_schmidt | So we can not communicate with the first one, but hopefully still with blob |
| 13:21.45 | jonwil | we need to see what they release |
| 13:21.50 | jonwil | and what it looks like |
| 13:22.06 | jonwil | Although I suspect blob exists now only as a way to set all the bits the linux kernel needs |
| 13:22.10 | stefan_schmidt | yes, and we need an A1200 |
| 13:22.49 | jonwil | I wouldnt be surprised to see future motorola phones having protection so that all code that runs on them has to be signed |
| 13:24.19 | LaF0rge | stefan: I think I'll have one soon |
| 13:24.36 | LaF0rge | jonwil: neither would I be surprised. but that has legal (gpl) implications |
| 13:24.43 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: i know you would say something like this. :) |
| 13:25.19 | jonwil | I dont believe it has GPL implications unless they start using stuff under GPLV3 once that is released |
| 13:25.30 | jonwil | As far as I know, they are only required to release the source code |
| 13:25.40 | jonwil | they dont have to provide a way to replace the software |
| 13:25.57 | LaF0rge | jonwil: oh yes it has implications. GPLv3 only makes explicit what v2 already intends |
| 13:26.04 | LaF0rge | i have already enforced this a number of times out-of-court |
| 13:26.29 | jonwil | ok, I will take your word for it |
| 13:27.07 | LaF0rge | the whole idea is to enable the user to run modified versions. |
| 13:30.02 | blkhawk[work] | ya |
| 13:30.34 | blkhawk[work] | I want to be able to do cool stuff with mine |
| 13:31.00 | blkhawk[work] | like frozen bubble ;) |
| 13:31.15 | jonwil | I am sure motorola have big expensive in-house lawyers that fully understand their GPL obligations |
| 13:31.34 | blkhawk[work] | jonwil: you sure about that? |
| 13:34.35 | jonwil | Any corporation that big will have in-house lawyers, there is no way they could afford not to |
| 13:34.44 | jonwil | what with all the lawsuits flying every which way these days |
| 13:34.53 | LaF0rge | yes, but they have to deal with all sorts of issues, not only with software copyright law |
| 13:35.04 | jonwil | true |
| 13:37.51 | LaF0rge | usb1.1 is definitely too slow for a 1gb storage device |
| 13:38.17 | blkhawk[work] | usb 1.1 is too slow for almost anything |
| 13:38.43 | LaF0rge | well, it's ok for keyboards. my typing can't keep up with usb ;) |
| 13:44.37 | blkhawk[work] | hmmm |
| 13:44.53 | blkhawk[work] | does the usb plug support a serial port mode? |
| 13:45.25 | blkhawk[work] | I might have an old pda keyboard that i could mod to work as an input device..... |
| 13:46.39 | LaF0rge | blkhawk: yes you can make it a UART |
| 13:52.31 | blkhawk[work] | nice |
| 13:52.50 | blkhawk[work] | there are many cool things one can do with a serial port |
| 14:09.30 | LaF0rge | ok, debootstrap now running |
| 14:20.04 | LaF0rge | it's nice to see your telephone resolving dependencies ;) |
| 14:20.25 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 14:20.39 | LaF0rge | btw: does your phone also only show 14MB ram in 2.6.x? |
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| 14:23.34 | stefan_schmidt | prpplague: hi |
| 14:23.49 | prpplague | hey |
| 14:25.13 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I've got still not rootfs running. And the messages on the lcd are to fast to see. |
| 14:25.59 | LaF0rge | oh, no root. |
| 14:26.22 | LaF0rge | it seems like we need to pass mem= with the kernel cmd line since there is no valid ATAG |
| 14:26.29 | LaF0rge | stefan: what a boring thing to do |
| 14:26.36 | LaF0rge | ;) |
| 14:27.11 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I play with my 2 years old godchild. It's funny |
| 14:27.29 | stefan_schmidt | And yes, i need wlan in the garden asap. :) |
| 14:28.48 | LaF0rge | stefan: what kind of nerd are you... |
| 14:28.49 | LaF0rge | ;) |
| 14:29.26 | blkhawk[work] | heh I just managed to get my t-online crap router exchanged for a less crappy one |
| 14:30.28 | file | less crappy is good |
| 14:31.26 | blkhawk[work] | yes |
| 14:31.34 | blkhawk[work] | speedport w500v |
| 14:31.40 | blkhawk[work] | basically it was fine |
| 14:31.44 | blkhawk[work] | but crappy |
| 14:31.54 | blkhawk[work] | would not let me phone voip with freenet |
| 14:32.02 | blkhawk[work] | so i made a complaint |
| 14:32.07 | blkhawk[work] | and got myself a new one |
| 14:32.12 | blkhawk[work] | w501v |
| 14:39.29 | LaF0rge | speedport w500v runs linux, did you know? |
| 14:39.51 | LaF0rge | you could actually work on improving it :) |
| 14:52.14 | blkhawk[work] | LaF0rge: yes i know |
| 14:52.37 | blkhawk[work] | but the nww one has usb - i think |
| 15:23.43 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I've a girlfriend, a godchild and a garden. So perhaps that is the reason why my c skills could be better. ;) |
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| 18:13.01 | blkhawk | lo |
| 18:13.31 | file | hola |
| 18:13.38 | stefan_schmidt | hi |
| 18:21.33 | LaF0rge | re stefan |
| 18:21.45 | LaF0rge | stefan: my phone also doesn't want to boot from p1. |
| 18:21.49 | LaF0rge | mmcblk0p2 works |
| 18:23.02 | stefan_schmidt | it works for p1, if the option is enabled. I know this is strange. |
| 18:23.29 | stefan_schmidt | There should be no coherence |
| 18:24.50 | LaF0rge | no, it's totally arbitrary |
| 18:24.50 | LaF0rge | now it even boots from p1 |
| 18:24.50 | LaF0rge | there is some kind of race condition |
| 18:26.00 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, ok |
| 18:27.33 | LaF0rge | sometimes it works a couple of boots, sometimes it doesn't |
| 18:28.00 | stefan_schmidt | so yes this sounds _really_ like a race |
| 18:29.10 | LaF0rge | i don't really understand why, though |
| 18:29.23 | LaF0rge | the devices should be known immediately after the partition scan |
| 18:30.35 | stefan_schmidt | and we also waiting 5 seconds |
| 18:39.48 | stefan_schmidt | ah, real mail on the phone. :) |
| 18:40.02 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: what size? |
| 18:40.12 | LaF0rge | stefan: 139MB |
| 18:40.21 | stefan_schmidt | Fine |
| 18:40.24 | LaF0rge | i didn't really look at the size too much |
| 18:40.43 | stefan_schmidt | yes, but it should fit on 256MB |
| 18:40.57 | stefan_schmidt | A lot people have cards in this size, only |
| 18:49.46 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: yeah, rootfs doc upload. :) |
| 18:50.03 | LaF0rge | http://people.openezx.org/laforge/openezx-debian-sarge-root-20060512.tar.bz2 |
| 18:50.03 | LaF0rge | http://people.openezx.org/laforge/openezx-debian-sarge-root-20060512.README |
| 18:50.29 | LaF0rge | it definitely fits in 256mb |
| 18:50.41 | LaF0rge | see you later |
| 18:50.46 | stefan_schmidt | cu |
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| 19:34.09 | LaF0rge | re |
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