| 00:04.19 | chouimat | treke: treke|home treke|laptop chuckr is searching you |
| 00:08.09 | pb_ | maybe all the trekes have /ignore chuckr set. |
| 00:08.14 | lpotter | he's at Neverland |
| 00:08.27 | pb_ | heheh |
| 00:13.34 | mithro-- | Neverland? |
| 00:16.57 | lpotter | ya. Jacko's place |
| 00:18.49 | mithro-- | !? |
| 00:24.49 | lpotter | miceal jackson == Jacko |
| 00:24.55 | lpotter | michael |
| 00:25.27 | lpotter | his ranch is named Neverland |
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| 00:45.15 | masticator | I say we sick Jacko on Saddam |
| 00:45.22 | masticator | put them in a cell together |
| 00:54.55 | lpotter | to old |
| 01:02.30 | treke|home | hmmm. I did a damn fine job sleeping through sunday |
| 01:06.16 | mithro-- | treke|home: its 11:34am on monday |
| 01:06.33 | treke|home | well shit, I did a better job than I thought |
| 01:13.22 | mithro-- | anyone know much about storage features of the C860? |
| 01:14.06 | treke|home | it's a usb mass storage driver that reads either the SD card or the cf card |
| 01:14.18 | mithro-- | treke|home: yeah i know that part :) |
| 01:14.29 | treke|home | what more do you want to know? |
| 01:14.30 | mithro-- | do we have the source code for it? |
| 01:14.39 | treke|home | yes. it's in the kernel source |
| 01:15.15 | mithro-- | treke|home: in 2.4.18? |
| 01:15.25 | treke|home | in the embeddix patch |
| 01:16.08 | mithro-- | so we could the storage stuff working under openzaurus? |
| 01:16.35 | treke|home | yes |
| 01:18.11 | mithro-- | does the embeddix patch apply to the sharp 2.4.18 kernel? |
| 01:19.40 | treke|home | no. it *is* the sharp 2.4.18 kernel |
| 01:21.38 | treke|home | haha |
| 01:21.53 | treke|home | lpotter: I like that picture, that difinitly does look like the Opie O |
| 01:22.20 | treke|home | " LINUX / WinCE : PDA Standard OS" |
| 01:22.45 | lpotter | ya |
| 01:23.12 | lpotter | and I can see the green icon for screenshotapplet |
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| 01:25.37 | lpotter | I am hoping they are on the list and can talk about it |
| 01:32.04 | mithro-- | anyone remeber where i can find the instructions for mounting a jffs rom? i remeber you need mtdram block device or something |
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| 03:29.29 | chouimat | treke|home: seen today Simpsons? |
| 03:36.52 | mithro-- | treke: you decided to do 2.95.2 or 3.3 roms? |
| 03:44.55 | treke|home | mithro--: I've done both |
| 03:44.58 | treke|home | and it's 2.95.3 |
| 03:51.00 | mithro-- | treke|home: can we use 'em yet? |
| 03:51.43 | treke|home | I cant imagine many people would want to :) lots of HEAD is horribly broken |
| 03:52.21 | chouimat | treke|home: opie head? |
| 03:52.24 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:08.15 | mithro-- | whats horribly borked :) |
| 04:09.47 | treke|home | some apps don't start. ntp support doesnt work. |
| 04:09.53 | treke|home | out of the box opie doesnt start |
| 04:10.00 | treke|home | lets see what else was there |
| 04:14.41 | gawel | btw, what kind of diff program is being used to produce patches? (seems like it is not gnu diff) |
| 04:15.14 | treke|home | wtf |
| 04:15.23 | treke|home | mickey made the default for the OZ images german |
| 04:20.16 | treke|home | I dont get how he did it though since that isnt something buildroot does |
| 04:25.45 | treke|home | maybe I'll build decent gcc2 images :p |
| 04:26.56 | chouimat | treke|home: lol |
| 04:31.11 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:35.51 | treke|home | ok. so when using the kernel and initrd fromt he openzaurus website, networking works. |
| 04:35.57 | treke|home | No idea what is up with peoples problems |
| 04:41.56 | mithro-- | treke|home: some decent 2.95 images would make alot of people happy |
| 04:48.02 | treke|home | getting uploaded |
| 04:48.45 | gawel | wee. gnupg just built under oe. ah the simple pleasures of life. |
| 04:52.06 | mithro-- | treke|home: HEAD or 1.0.3? |
| 04:52.18 | treke|home | 1.0.3 |
| 04:59.21 | chuckr | you guys still there? |
| 05:00.19 | treke|home | no one here but us trolls |
| 05:02.45 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a cave troll |
| 05:02.55 | CosmicPenguin | treke is a just a regular troll |
| 05:03.31 | treke|home | yup. I'm *very* regular this weekend |
| 05:04.46 | mithro-- | treke|home: cool |
| 05:05.22 | treke|home | 12 minutes remaining |
| 05:18.48 | mithro-- | treke|home: url? |
| 05:18.58 | treke|home | uploading still |
| 05:19.03 | treke|home | 10 seconds |
| 05:19.09 | treke|home | then I have to remember to extract it :p |
| 05:22.57 | gawel | anybody knows what the difference between DEPENDS and RDEPENDS in a oe package spec file is? |
| 05:26.13 | treke|home | DEPENDS specifies the dependencies to build a package |
| 05:26.40 | treke|home | RDEPENDS specifies run time depends, and are used for the packages that are generated |
| 05:26.46 | gawel | doh. makes sense |
| 05:26.51 | gawel | treke: thanks |
| 05:31.53 | mithro-- | treke|home: url? |
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| 05:46.34 | lpotter | bleh |
| 05:46.42 | treke|home | no url yet |
| 05:51.07 | lpotter | whats a url? |
| 05:52.26 | CosmicPenguin | its like an uri but with an l |
| 05:52.34 | mithro-- | treke|home: if you need webspace i have about 45gig spare :) |
| 05:52.52 | treke|home | no I need time to deal with this |
| 05:53.22 | mithro-- | treke|home: no prob, the offer stands if you find you need it :) |
| 05:54.03 | treke|home | though I'm down to only 7 gig free. Wondery where it all went |
| 05:54.18 | treke|home | its on openzaurus.org |
| 05:55.23 | mithro-- | treke|home cool :) |
| 05:56.12 | mithro-- | i'll get my friend to try it out |
| 05:56.21 | mithro-- | he'll be pleased |
| 06:04.32 | mithro-- | treke|home: where on oz? |
| 06:04.48 | treke|home | same place all the gcc 3.3.5 images for husky are |
| 06:04.48 | treke|home | :p |
| 06:05.00 | treke|home | er all the 3.3.5 images |
| 06:06.11 | mithro-- | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.3.5/husky/gcc2/ |
| 06:06.50 | mithro-- | the dates just seem a bit old |
| 06:07.14 | treke|home | ? |
| 06:07.19 | treke|home | 3.3.5 is a bit old |
| 06:07.27 | mithro-- | ahh okay :) |
| 06:07.47 | treke|home | the gcc3 images are from Novemver 29th |
| 06:08.01 | treke|home | the gcc2 image is from december 4 |
| 06:08.28 | mithro-- | so which ones did you just upload? :) |
| 06:08.36 | treke|home | The gcc2 images |
| 06:09.18 | mithro-- | ??official/????/husky/????/initrd.bin :) |
| 06:09.41 | treke|home | you pasted the freaking url a few minutes ago |
| 06:09.48 | mithro-- | o :) |
| 06:09.51 | mithro-- | okay |
| 06:09.53 | mithro-- | sorry |
| 06:10.42 | mithro-- | i assumed the datestamp would have been sometime in the last couple of days which was what was causing me confusion |
| 06:11.08 | treke|home | no, I built the images a week and a half ago |
| 06:11.27 | mithro-- | thats okay :) i just didn't take into account tar preserving timestamps :) |
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| 06:59.24 | W8TVI|z | that was fun |
| 06:59.36 | treke|home | hmmm. this head build sure went smoother than normal |
| 06:59.54 | W8TVI|z | ive been playing rainbow 6 for the last few hours on line |
| 07:01.24 | W8TVI|z | been kicking a$$ |
| 07:02.03 | W8TVI|z | why? |
| 07:02.07 | treke|home | tedious |
| 07:03.08 | W8TVI|z | its fun hunting other players with a .50 cal Desert Eagle |
| 07:03.25 | treke|home | hehe. sounds like my fond memories of delta force online |
| 07:03.34 | W8TVI|z | heh |
| 07:04.04 | treke|home | ah wait desert eagle |
| 07:04.06 | W8TVI|z | its even more fun sniping them with the .50 cal sniper rifle |
| 07:04.43 | W8TVI|z | or the fal |
| 07:05.03 | treke|home | we'd get four or give people online, most of us chose the rifle, then 10 minutes or so you'll hear a gun shot |
| 07:05.16 | treke|home | was even better at lan parties |
| 07:05.19 | treke|home | "boom" |
| 07:05.21 | treke|home | "shit" |
| 07:05.28 | W8TVI|z | but anything that you can make a haed shot with |
| 07:05.49 | treke|home | dammit |
| 07:06.01 | treke|home | now buildroot only builds german... |
| 07:06.09 | W8TVI|z | I like taking the .50 rifle and waiting for two people to linw up |
| 07:06.59 | W8TVI|z | the .50 DE doesnt quite have the punch of the rifle |
| 07:07.41 | W8TVI|z | but a good center mass shot with it will still kill |
| 07:09.23 | W8TVI|z | the .50 DE is still a BFG |
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| 07:16.40 | W8TVI | hmmm... let me guess... my aunt sent all three of us those two 1mb jpgs of some chistmas lights that they too from a moving car... |
| 07:18.13 | W8TVI | damn it... she did |
| 07:18.22 | W8TVI | and they are sucky pictures too |
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| 07:53.10 | schurig | moin! |
| 07:53.31 | gawel | earl moin 8> |
| 07:53.49 | schurig | not for me, it's almost 9:00 am |
| 07:54.06 | gawel | 1am here |
| 07:54.35 | schurig | What is Tetrawhatever, some poisonous chemistry? |
| 07:55.14 | gawel | schurig: nah. it's after umberto eco's book. tetrapyloctomy='science of splitting hair in 4' |
| 07:55.55 | schurig | gawel: I, I read the name of the rose (very good) and the book about the pendulum of Faucault (very boring). |
| 07:56.09 | gawel | yeah, it's from foucalt's pendulum |
| 07:56.21 | schurig | (not sure about the english names of the books, I read them in german) |
| 07:57.27 | gawel | schurig: err, so do you guys tests ipks built under oe on actual zaurus box? 8> |
| 07:57.40 | treke|home | gawel: no |
| 07:58.01 | treke|home | oe wont actually run on a zaurus |
| 07:58.08 | schurig | mickeyl_away: I have updates for OZ/packages/busybox to newest busybox. Should I put them into BitKeeper or would this be not-so-good for the upcoming OZ release? |
| 07:58.11 | gawel | ah. goody. 8> there are some name differences between buildroot and oe |
| 07:58.46 | gawel | treke: updates to oe packages should be sent to chris (kergoth), right? |
| 07:58.58 | treke|home | send them to the openembedded-devel list |
| 07:59.10 | gawel | ok |
| 08:01.08 | schurig | gawel: when I finally switch over to OE, I'll test the packages on my platform (which is not Zaurus) |
| 08:01.33 | schurig | for now I'm in a state of shame: I developed the first half of the OE buildroot, but now I'm not even using it :-( |
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| 08:05.23 | lpotter | bleh |
| 08:05.43 | lpotter | shame on you |
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| 08:09.24 | schurig | lpotter: BTW, do you remember that I once asked you if TT has a list of database driver plugins? |
| 08:10.58 | schurig | lpotter: I made some database-gateway. On my target I'm still using Qt3E GPL, therefore the database plugin is GPL, too. It connects via QSocket to some database driver server (in Qt3, too) to a linux host, |
| 08:11.39 | schurig | lpotter: and this db-server then uses normal QT3-plugins to get to the real database. So I can connect from my Ramses to, say, a SAPDB database where I don't have a driver for the PXA processor |
| 08:18.03 | treke|home | wtf |
| 08:18.10 | treke|home | someone already spotted the gcc2 image |
| 08:18.49 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 08:20.05 | lpotter | schurig: I dont think qt3 supports anything but mysql and sqlite currently, but I can find out more about it |
| 08:20.40 | lpotter | that sounds really cool, though |
| 08:20.41 | schurig | lpotter: we were talking about EXTERNAL projects, e.g. Qt3 supports SAPDB a.k.a MAXDB |
| 08:21.00 | lpotter | ahh, ya. I am not up on qt3 |
| 08:21.16 | schurig | lpotter: ok, it's fine. |
| 08:21.38 | schurig | lpotter: hehe, I'm not at qt2.3 anymore. Here in the company we use Qt3.2.x only. |
| 08:22.05 | lpotter | hopefully, qtopia will move on to qte4 |
| 08:22.19 | schurig | lpotter: it's a little bit faster on the Ramses. And it has the database stuff which we need. Unfortunately this made me abondon Opie/Qtopia/whatever |
| 08:22.45 | lpotter | understandable |
| 08:22.55 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 08:23.20 | lpotter | but I can see how advanced handhelds might need to move on also, just to get at the db stuff |
| 08:23.38 | treke|home | lpotter: explain that to trolltech :) |
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| 08:24.38 | lpotter | well, I am wuite sure there is a very good reason why qtopia has stayed at 2.3 |
| 08:24.47 | lpotter | s/wuite/quite |
| 08:25.16 | treke|home | I bet it's just a trick to keep linux on pdas in the dark ages |
| 08:25.16 | lpotter | but we have someone up in oslo working on qte specifically |
| 08:25.52 | lpotter | yup |
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| 10:35.11 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 10:35.16 | | pb_ <~pb@2002:5160:45ef:0:240:95ff:fe30:aa84> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 10h 7m 34s ago, saying: 'Spyro: if you only have one battery, the apm interface ought to suffice.'. |
| 10:35.16 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen pb |
| 10:35.17 | | pb <~dick@216.113.200.41> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 177d 54m 7s ago, saying: 'can anyone help'. |
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| 10:55.49 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 10:56.15 | mickeyl | hiho cmartin |
| 10:56.17 | mickeyl | how are things? |
| 10:58.00 | mickeyl | ibot: mithro |
| 10:58.04 | | mickeyl: are you using Windows? |
| 10:58.06 | mickeyl | mithro--: ping |
| 11:28.55 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you remember why we deactivated ppp in the simpad kernel? |
| 11:29.35 | cmartin | mickeyl: IIRC we only had a problem when it was built as a module or together with something else |
| 11:30.10 | mickeyl | no, that was pcmcia |
| 11:30.31 | mickeyl | ah we had a build error when PPP_ZLIB_DEFLATE was enabled |
| 11:30.35 | mickeyl | but other than that, it should work |
| 11:32.53 | cmartin | k, why is it disabled in our config then? hmmm, that deflate thing could have been the reason it wouldn't compile in for me last night - module built fine |
| 11:35.36 | cmartin | BTW: just sent holger my identity.pub so I can start a bit of transitioning to oe - any suggestions where I should start (already read GettingStarted) |
| 11:36.14 | mickeyl | no idea frankly |
| 11:36.31 | mickeyl | i'm not really into oe yet |
| 11:36.42 | mickeyl | i'm waiting for kergoth to lay the foundation and an example for deviceisms |
| 11:36.58 | mickeyl | but there are a quite a bit of packages needing migration |
| 11:37.12 | cmartin | you're not, i thought you were migrating packages |
| 11:38.37 | mickeyl | not really, i did a bit of work, but not very much. i got distracted by releasing OpenZaurus 3.3.5 for all models |
| 11:39.12 | cmartin | i thought that was you that put up that "Contributing" section the opensimpad wiki |
| 11:39.25 | cmartin | s/ to the |
| 11:40.13 | mickeyl | can't remember. i was project hopping in the last weeks - worked on too much stuff simulteanously |
| 11:40.24 | mickeyl | or rather in parallel |
| 11:41.51 | mickeyl | bbl, lunch time |
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| 13:11.12 | funkyjoe | could somebody tell how to force bk to install updates etc.? I get this error message when takepatch tries to install...."takepatch: packages/ifupdown/SCCS/s.Makefile is locked w/o writeable gfile?" |
| 13:13.22 | cmartin_lunch | funkyjoe: you seem to have made changes to the ifupdown Makefile - either commit your changes or remove them with bk unedit |
| 13:15.30 | funkyjoe | cmartin: thanks! |
| 13:16.24 | funkyjoe | cmartin: I had changed some paths for correct download, that was the problem. bk documentation is awful |
| 13:17.39 | cmartin | funkyjoe: i think bk helptool is pretty good |
| 13:18.41 | funkyjoe | cmartin: when you know what to search ;-) ok. now its working... |
| 13:19.00 | cmartin | true |
| 13:19.21 | cmartin | it took me awhile to get used to also |
| 13:20.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: when the transition is made to OE will all future packages be compiled with gcc 3.3? |
| 13:22.17 | mickeyl | for oe we try to make sure all packages will compile with both 2.95x and 3.x. What compiler to use for the distribution will be the choice of the distributors (us) |
| 13:23.19 | mickeyl | i strongly recommend using 3.3 for future OpenSIMpad releases though. It generates faster code and interestingly less buggy code |
| 13:23.21 | cmartin | why does the GettingStarted document only mention cross-3.3 and only offers a download of that version? |
| 13:23.49 | mickeyl | probably because 3.3 is more interesting than 2.95 |
| 13:24.06 | cmartin | k, do the final bc breaking point will be the release of the first openembedded-based images |
| 13:24.15 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 13:24.15 | cmartin | s/ do/ so |
| 13:24.19 | mickeyl | maybe even using uclibc |
| 13:24.23 | mickeyl | we'll see |
| 13:24.58 | cmartin | which advantages does uclibc3.3 have over gcc3.3? |
| 13:25.11 | mickeyl | ? |
| 13:25.19 | mickeyl | uclibc is libc |
| 13:25.20 | mickeyl | gcc is a compiler |
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| 13:25.40 | mickeyl | so we want to use gcc3-uclibc for future releases |
| 13:26.03 | cmartin | sorry, was confused there |
| 13:31.24 | mickeyl | schurig: did more tests with qt3? how's it performing |
| 13:37.24 | cmartin | schurig: did you receive my identity.pub for oe-buildroot access? |
| 13:37.25 | schurig | "Tests"? We're using it for some months now |
| 13:37.43 | schurig | cmartin: no, I didn't. When did you send it? |
| 13:37.51 | cmartin | this morning |
| 13:38.13 | schurig | cmartin: okay, I did not check my home-email this morning. Right now I'm at work |
| 13:38.20 | cmartin | k |
| 13:38.55 | mickeyl | "tests" yeah - performance tests against qt2 |
| 13:39.39 | schurig | months ago we made some drawing tests, here Qt3 was faster |
| 13:40.12 | schurig | the dialog creation is still somewhat slow, maybe I have to customoze new, new[], del and del[] |
| 13:40.35 | mickeyl | schurig: if it was only me, opie would be on qt3 since months. however, for now i hesitate to do the porting because the release of the first qt4 betas is not far away |
| 13:41.37 | schurig | mickeyl: harlekin said that the first alpha or beta for qt4 is not far away. And that it makes sense to port Opie directly to Qt4, not first to Qt3. |
| 13:41.47 | schurig | i can live with that. |
| 13:42.15 | schurig | It's just that ramses-launcher sucks compared against parts of Opie |
| 13:42.49 | schurig | e.g. our launcher has all apps compiled into it, statically. Urgs. But then again, I'm not the Qt3-developer here, I'm Mr.Kernel and Mr.IPKs. :-) |
| 13:43.08 | mickeyl | yeah :) |
| 13:43.28 | mickeyl | will you contribute to opie again if we're on qt4? |
| 13:43.38 | mickeyl | (i miss your cleaning up ;) |
| 13:43.54 | schurig | mickeyl: very likely. |
| 13:44.31 | schurig | right now I could put tn5250 into Opie, if one wants to backport this then to qt2. But I guess not many people care for conntions to IBM AS/400 :-) |
| 13:45.44 | mickeyl | probably ;) |
| 13:45.50 | mickeyl | but hey, who knows |
| 13:45.57 | schurig | other things, like our barcode scanner configuration dialog, are even less interesting to the general public ... |
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| 14:01.46 | schurig | I should look for some memory performance test program |
| 14:02.16 | schurig | mickeyl: I think someone mentioned this during the last two weeks on linux-arm-kernel |
| 14:03.04 | mickeyl | ah yeah - the bufferable fbmem has been integrated since 2.5 |
| 14:03.22 | mickeyl | at least for SA |
| 14:03.25 | mickeyl | no idea about PXA |
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| 15:57.06 | chouimat | hi |
| 15:59.58 | schurig | ho |
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| 16:02.34 | Disconnect | morning all |
| 16:19.24 | chouimat | hi schurig Disconnect |
| 16:20.40 | schurig | chouimat: how did you know that I disconnect <grin>? |
| 16:21.05 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:21.07 | schurig | going home ... |
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| 16:43.07 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:43.35 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:44.10 | Twiun | hiya |
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| 16:48.54 | treke | mornin kergoth |
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| 17:00.19 | kergoth | bleh |
| 17:00.26 | chouimat | http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/552552.html |
| 17:02.36 | kergoth | gb2: fyi, i narrowed the glibc toolchain build failures, seemingly, down to a difference between my binutils .oe's and the current ones in packages.. will play with it until i figure out whats causingi t |
| 17:02.56 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 17:03.00 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:03.25 | chouimat | kergoth: I proposed that we do a fund raising so you can have internet at home :) |
| 17:03.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:03.51 | kergoth | i talked to my apartment office |
| 17:03.57 | kergoth | they're going to send somebody by to check into it today |
| 17:03.59 | kergoth | so hopefully.. |
| 17:04.06 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 17:04.39 | chouimat | hmmm allready 15cm of snow |
| 17:05.49 | Disconnect | kergoth: hey. how'd the deadline go last week? |
| 17:06.25 | kergoth | quite well, got everything done but one training item, and that i'm doing this week |
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| 17:16.19 | Disconnect | cool |
| 17:17.33 | gb2 | kergoth: cool |
| 17:17.57 | kergoth | heh, i wonder if by chance it was the removal of hte ldscripts |
| 17:18.00 | gawel|sleep | morn |
| 17:18.39 | kergoth | damnnit, i hate it when an app has their own local "configure" script with tests and shit that isnt autoconf |
| 17:19.23 | chouimat | hmmmm can someone explain to me why suddently CVS segfault here |
| 17:19.29 | kergoth | it doenst like it |
| 17:19.31 | kergoth | er |
| 17:19.34 | kergoth | it doesnt like you |
| 17:19.47 | chouimat | kergoth: thanks this is very helpful |
| 17:19.49 | treke | it's in good company |
| 17:19.56 | gawel|sleep | quick (hopefully) quetion: can one build stuff dependet on kernel (in essence on kernel headers), like say, oh ppp on oe? do i inherit kernel class? |
| 17:20.19 | treke | kergoth: Good little flame ware on the zaurus.com boards |
| 17:20.20 | treke | kergoth: proto vs sash |
| 17:20.22 | kergoth | gawel|sleep: kernel oeclass is for building kernels, not their modules |
| 17:20.22 | chouimat | treke: hi ... url? |
| 17:20.22 | gawel|sleep | choimat: friday was 'fuck with gawel' week. today is your turn. |
| 17:20.33 | chouimat | gawel|sleep: hehe ... go back to sleep |
| 17:20.34 | mickeyl | treke: did you upload a shepherd kernel which writes to tty1 ? |
| 17:20.39 | treke | no |
| 17:20.45 | treke | I didnt upload any shepherd kernel |
| 17:20.47 | kergoth | gawel|sleep: should just be as simple as building it, pointing it to staging_incdir for kernel headers, assuming you've built a kenrel and put its headers there |
| 17:20.57 | treke | I uploaded for husky |
| 17:20.58 | gawel | kergoth: thanks |
| 17:22.59 | treke | sash also said he's no longer going to work on qtopia stuff |
| 17:23.31 | chouimat | treke: url? |
| 17:23.39 | treke | chouimat: zaurus.com/dev/board |
| 17:26.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: hi. i have several questions... you'll be here in two hours? |
| 17:26.31 | kergoth | mickeyl: yep |
| 17:26.38 | mickeyl | great. l8er, then |
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| 17:42.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:44.36 | Disconnect | kergoth: how's that keyboard stuff coming? ;) |
| 17:45.00 | kergoth | untouched. here's hoping they fix my internet today |
| 17:45.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:49.13 | kergoth | mickeyl_away: heh, libetpan 0.31 was already in nonworking/, incomplete. you can use bk mvdir to move shit out of there once its working.. that way you retain history. |
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| 17:55.40 | treke | hehe |
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| 17:56.07 | kergoth | we're using db3 in oe atm |
| 17:56.11 | kergoth | its the only libdb i bothered to add |
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| 17:56.24 | kergoth | but according to harlekin, it isnt necessary for etpan to build |
| 17:56.27 | treke | stupid old format Makefiles |
| 17:56.29 | treke | oh? |
| 17:56.36 | kergoth | need to patch its configure to make it configure cmdline controllable |
| 18:00.12 | kergoth | heh, added a qte ./configure -devfs cmdline opt |
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| 18:18.37 | kergoth | hey XavierXeon |
| 18:19.02 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 18:54.40 | gawel | btw, how come toolchain 3.3.2 now installs into /opt and not in /usr/local/arm? |
| 19:13.42 | kergoth | gawel: because i wanted to package it as an rpm/ipk/deb for distribution, and packages shouldnt ever touch /usr/local |
| 19:14.36 | treke | kergoth: btw, opt/cross/platform/vernum would probably be a better choice than just /opt/cross |
| 19:14.41 | kergoth | ugh, why the hell does gdb cache -buildsystem- bits |
| 19:15.15 | kergoth | treke: well, target_alias aka target_sys already keeps them independent. cross/bin/ could contain arm-linux-gcc, ppc64-linux-gcc, arm-uclibc-linux-gcc, whatever |
| 19:15.24 | kergoth | version wouldnt be a bad idea though |
| 19:15.25 | treke | ah |
| 19:16.19 | treke | yeah if they can all coexist withing one /opt/cross, then that's fine. |
| 19:16.37 | kergoth | yeah. gb2 has had a glibc and uclibc chain living side by side |
| 19:16.46 | kergoth | so i think we're okay there. |
| 19:16.56 | kergoth | problem with version is, what version do we put? glibc? gcc? binutils? :) |
| 19:17.27 | treke | all three? |
| 19:17.37 | treke | just some way to keep more than one installed at a time |
| 19:18.44 | treke | /opt/cross/3.3.2-2.95-2.14.90.0.7/bin |
| 19:19.00 | treke | er /opt/cross/3.3.2-3.2.3-2.14.90.0.7/bin |
| 19:19.33 | kergoth | man thats ugly |
| 19:19.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:19.37 | kergoth | but yeah, could |
| 19:19.53 | treke | I'd settle for cross/3.3.2 :p |
| 19:19.58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:30.19 | gb2 | i had them living side-by-side if they had different target_alias's |
| 19:30.38 | gb2 | so arm-linux vs. arm-uclibc-linux |
| 19:30.58 | gb2 | you can add a number after linux and have it work too |
| 19:31.10 | gb2 | arm-linux295 might work |
| 19:31.34 | W8TVI | ibot stupid question |
| 19:31.36 | | THAT'S A STUPID QUESTION. No, I WILL NOT ANSWER IT. |
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| 19:39.30 | kergoth | gb2: yeah thats true, suppose we could stuff version into the vendor.. |
| 19:39.39 | kergoth | doesnt matter much to me |
| 19:41.13 | lpotter | mmmm coffee |
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| 19:51.34 | mickeyl | re |
| 19:53.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: i have two things - at first, sorry, i didn't see that you already started with libetpan 0.31 in nonworking. couldn't move it also to there, because i didn't want to overwrite yours. although i could get libetpan to build, one cheat was necessary, because the build system looked in target/lib/.libs instead of target/lib. any idea how to fix that? isn't that (once again) a libtool problem? |
| 19:54.09 | kergoth | thats a configure.{in,ac} thing |
| 19:54.20 | kergoth | their db macro doesnt check the root of hte dir we pass as the libdir |
| 19:54.32 | kergoth | it expects that we're passing it a location of the db -sources- |
| 19:54.36 | kergoth | whichi s why its checking .libs |
| 19:54.40 | mickeyl | ah understood. |
| 19:54.44 | kergoth | i'm fixing that |
| 19:54.50 | kergoth | db is optional in the libetpan build |
| 19:54.56 | kergoth | but their configure script doesnt let you disable it |
| 19:55.08 | kergoth | i'm going to swipe apache's libdb checking macros and stuff them into libetpan's configure |
| 19:55.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:56.35 | mickeyl | very good. thanks. the other thing i have is I started with a fresh clone of oe and packages and although i built the native autoconf and automake, the versions in my local PATH were preferred. did something change in this direction? STAGING_BINDIR should always be prefered shouldn't it? |
| 19:57.01 | kergoth | it should. look at oe.conf, it prepends to PATH, so should pick them up.. |
| 19:57.04 | kergoth | could be a bug |
| 19:57.11 | kergoth | use oebuild showdata to check the PATH |
| 19:57.26 | mickeyl | ok, will do that. |
| 19:58.56 | mickeyl | oh and a last (slightly offtopic) question... did you ever had the situation when you started a new thread and suddenly the program hangs and if you do 'top' you see all the threads of that program in 'S' state. the hang occurs right after the clone syscall... i'm totally out of ideas, because i don't even use locking or stuff |
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| 19:59.16 | mickeyl | there's enough memory and resources |
| 19:59.20 | mickeyl | so that's no the problem |
| 19:59.35 | mickeyl | it's on the 5500 Z btw. (with glibc 2.3.2) |
| 19:59.48 | mickeyl | on the desktop that program works... (of course... it's always like that...) |
| 20:10.15 | lpotter | hmmm deee dummm .... |
| 20:12.21 | lpotter | they got some weird games down here |
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| 20:22.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, odd |
| 20:37.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:38.23 | Pendalar | checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 20:38.37 | kergoth | you probably didnt add the crosscompiler to the PATH |
| 20:38.41 | Pendalar | general user failed to do something error? |
| 20:38.45 | kergoth | but i'd need more info to say for certain |
| 20:39.53 | gawel | kergoth: new toolchain (3.3.2) now installs into /opt, right? is buildroot updated to look for new toolchain there, or does it expect 3.3.2 in /usr/local/arm/3.3.2? |
| 20:39.58 | Pendalar | hmm pretty sure it is but I'll check |
| 20:40.23 | Pendalar | PATH=$OEDIR/bin:/usr/local/arm/3.3/bin:${ORG_PATH} |
| 20:40.32 | gawel | pendalar: make sure you export your PATH 8> |
| 20:40.42 | Pendalar | of course |
| 20:40.47 | gawel | pendalar: what package do you get this on? |
| 20:40.52 | kergoth | gawel: buildroot wont obey it, add it to the path manually |
| 20:41.22 | Pendalar | although I didn't write this env change script |
| 20:41.23 | mickeyl | Pendalar: TARGET_ARCH=arm in local.conf ? |
| 20:41.24 | kergoth | Pendalar: more context. open up config.log for that package and look at the errors around that |
| 20:41.25 | Pendalar | glib |
| 20:41.30 | Pendalar | mickeyl: yes |
| 20:42.06 | mickeyl | hmmm i had that once in a toolchain... can't remember in which one. i ended up creating a missing link from as to ../bin/arm-linux-as |
| 20:42.20 | Pendalar | kergoth: it said do_configure error, then I pulled that error out of the /tmp for do_configure on glib |
| 20:42.24 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:42.27 | Pendalar | lemme find the config.log |
| 20:42.27 | kergoth | and? |
| 20:42.36 | kergoth | tmp/base/pn-pv-pr/blah/config.log |
| 20:42.45 | kergoth | (pn = package name, pv = package version, pr = package revision) |
| 20:43.47 | gawel | pendalar: try to downloading latest toolchain: http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ for 3.3.2. i've seen this problem too... |
| 20:43.58 | Pendalar | looks like it is pulling i686, but what in particular do you want to know in config.log? |
| 20:44.06 | kergoth | if its using i686, your local.conf isnt right |
| 20:44.16 | kergoth | it must be conf/local.conf relative to the dir you're running oebuild/oemake from |
| 20:44.52 | Pendalar | patcher, autoconf ,automake build |
| 20:45.03 | Pendalar | TARGET_ARCH=arm is in the local.conf |
| 20:45.22 | kergoth | sounds like your oe tree is out of date. your BUILD_SYS isnt defaulting to "" |
| 20:45.30 | kergoth | bk pull in both oe and packages, and bk -r co -q in both |
| 20:45.39 | Pendalar | did that ~5 minutes ago |
| 20:45.57 | kergoth | well, you're doing something wrong. |
| 20:46.03 | Pendalar | of course *grin* |
| 20:46.10 | kergoth | oebuild showdata autoconf/autoconf-native_*.oe|grep i686 |
| 20:46.47 | Pendalar | yep I agree, it's building for the wrong arch |
| 20:46.55 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:46.57 | kergoth | no. |
| 20:47.02 | kergoth | autoconf-native is SUPPOSED to build for .. nativfe. |
| 20:47.11 | kergoth | but it should be using 'gcc', not 'i686-linux-gcc' |
| 20:47.39 | Pendalar | hmm |
| 20:48.10 | gawel | WRONG TOOLCHAIN |
| 20:48.34 | Pendalar | updating gawel, can only do so fast |
| 20:48.43 | Pendalar | unless you wanna lend me a t3 or something |
| 20:48.56 | gawel | 8> suuuure |
| 20:49.50 | Pendalar | trying other guesses in the interm of 5 minutes eta |
| 20:52.08 | kergoth | Pendalar: whats BUILD_SYS set to in your showdata output on autoconf-native? |
| 20:52.19 | kergoth | assuming its autoconf-native failing |
| 20:52.26 | Pendalar | BUILD_SYS="i686-linux" |
| 20:52.35 | Pendalar | no it build, glib was the one that failed |
| 20:53.33 | kergoth | ugh |
| 20:53.33 | kergoth | why didnt you say that? |
| 20:53.33 | kergoth | thats completely different |
| 20:53.33 | W8TVI | gui coding sucks |
| 20:53.33 | kergoth | check TARGET_ARCH, TARGET_SYS, and TARGET_PREFIAX |
| 20:53.55 | Pendalar | BUILD_SYS="i686-linux" BUILD_ARCH="i686" for glib |
| 20:54.09 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:54.11 | Pendalar | doesn't have target etc vars in the log |
| 20:54.18 | kergoth | log? |
| 20:54.46 | Pendalar | doh let me make sure I know what I'm pasting is from what you are wanting |
| 20:55.09 | kergoth | oebuild showdata glib/blahblah.oe |
| 20:55.15 | kergoth | thats where i want information from |
| 20:56.03 | Pendalar | TARGET_ARCH="arm" |
| 20:56.15 | Pendalar | sys => arm-linux |
| 20:56.25 | Pendalar | prefix arm-linux- |
| 20:56.33 | kergoth | and what about HOST_PREFIX? |
| 20:57.01 | Pendalar | arm-linux- |
| 20:57.10 | kergoth | so its building with arm-linux-gcc then. |
| 20:57.49 | kergoth | send your failed do_configure log to the openembedded devel list |
| 20:58.00 | Pendalar | ok |
| 21:00.06 | Pendalar | trying with a 'fresh' toolchain although I think it's the same |
| 21:00.42 | gawel | pendalar: do you have binutils-native built? |
| 21:01.12 | Pendalar | I see no -native |
| 21:01.38 | W8TVI | what about -natives-restless? |
| 21:01.58 | Pendalar | 4 oe files, cross, ulibc-cross, ulibc, and regular |
| 21:02.28 | W8TVI | hmmm... I didnt even get a ha ha out that one |
| 21:02.33 | kergoth | dont build a toolchain with oe. it still has kinks. |
| 21:02.40 | Pendalar | which one do you want me to try? |
| 21:03.19 | Pendalar | W8TVI: my mind is too far gone |
| 21:03.40 | W8TVI | ah |
| 21:03.41 | kergoth | *almost* have glib 2.0 building hapily |
| 21:04.26 | Pendalar | so it's not supposed to build? =-P |
| 21:06.35 | lpotter | almost only counts in handgernades and Jr. High sex |
| 21:07.02 | Pendalar | horseshoes, handgrenades, and .. |
| 21:07.18 | gb2 | nukes |
| 21:07.24 | kergoth | hey, its compiling |
| 21:07.24 | Pendalar | abomb =-P |
| 21:07.25 | gb2 | close definately counts for nukes |
| 21:07.25 | kergoth | woo! |
| 21:07.58 | Pendalar | the phrase my teachers always used "close only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades, and a-bombs" |
| 21:09.04 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | close also counts in mustard gas, nerve agent, and the always frightening chilli dog attack |
| 21:09.50 | treke | mmmmmh chili dog |
| 21:09.57 | kergoth | waoh |
| 21:09.58 | kergoth | woah |
| 21:10.01 | kergoth | glib-2.0 built :) |
| 21:10.01 | W8TVI | ninja penguins! |
| 21:10.30 | kergoth | commit != push |
| 21:10.31 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:10.50 | Pendalar | lil push? |
| 21:10.53 | Pendalar | quasi push |
| 21:11.55 | Pendalar | actually glibc is what I'm having issues with but I of course realize it's a system wide thing, any other non -native is going to fail |
| 21:12.12 | kergoth | can you run arm-linux-gcc from your commandline? |
| 21:12.32 | Pendalar | weird, no |
| 21:12.33 | kergoth | well thatd explain it then. |
| 21:12.34 | Pendalar | heh possible problem *cough* |
| 21:12.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.40 | kergoth | ~whaleslap Pendalar |
| 21:12.48 | | ACTION slaps Pendalar upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:13.37 | W8TVI | Subject: EFFector 16.35: Support EFF This Holiday Season |
| 21:13.53 | W8TVI | * Deep Links (15): RIAA Can Now Legally Shoot Self in Foot |
| 21:14.00 | kergoth | k, pushed glib-2.0 |
| 21:14.07 | kergoth | we need 2.1, 2.2, or 2.3? |
| 21:14.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14.47 | Pendalar | why not latest? |
| 21:15.15 | kergoth | dunno, just picked one at random. dunno which gtk2 needs |
| 21:15.32 | kergoth | we need libatk, pango, gtk2 added |
| 21:16.50 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 22:58.46 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 22:59.03 | | It's great to be back! |
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| 23:04.39 | gawel | kergoth: error traceback available at http://www.tetrapyloctomy.org/oz/oe_error.html |
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| 23:12.13 | gawel | kergoth: this may be related. build of busybox does fine. when building ipkg we croak: http://www.tetrapyloctomy.org/oz/oe_error_busybox.html |
| 23:12.46 | kergoth | that one's a bug in the busybox .oe |
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| 23:26.46 | lpotter | ibot: ide |
| 23:26.47 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ide is for the GUI, but the compiler is not nessesarly compliing a GUI application |
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