| 00:00.14 | chuckr | usage report, I d'l the one from official/unstable/760, I think that's where i had it to begin with, and it's thoroughly and badly screwed, it thinks the usbd0 is a 802.11b, and can't be convinced otherwise |
| 00:06.54 | Disconnect | chuckr: just ooc, whats the md5 of the zImage? |
| 00:07.22 | Disconnect | (and for that matter, the initrd) |
| 00:07.55 | treke | it thinks usbd0 is 802.11b? wtf |
| 00:12.44 | ljp | its like a dog that thinks it human' |
| 00:13.40 | cyn_ | wooooooo firefly on dvd |
| 00:13.50 | Disconnect | cyn_: is that out already? |
| 00:32.20 | chouimat | ibot surfgirl |
| 00:32.22 | | surfgirl is, like, with who ljp want to wake up in the morning |
| 00:35.41 | treke | hehe. salse chick with the phone company just couldnt grasp the idea that I want no special features |
| 00:36.16 | treke | "Look at my account, I spend 2 hours a month on the phone. Why would I need call waiting" |
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| 00:40.57 | jdh41 | anyone care to tell me how to get an ipk out of OE? |
| 00:41.50 | treke | hmmm. |
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| 00:42.26 | treke | export INHERIT="package_ipk" |
| 00:42.34 | treke | mithro: got a more recent oz-compat package? |
| 00:43.19 | mithro | then version 4? |
| 00:43.27 | treke | than version 2 |
| 00:43.28 | mithro | s/4/0.4 |
| 00:43.35 | mithro | yes i have version 0.4 :) |
| 00:43.44 | treke | url? |
| 00:43.44 | mithro | see http://www.mithis.com/zaurus/ipkgs/ |
| 00:43.48 | treke | cool |
| 00:43.54 | treke | flashing back to gcc3 |
| 00:44.48 | mithro | that should have a graphical program which allows you to make a program use comapatible or not libs |
| 00:44.55 | mithro | it also works from the command line |
| 00:45.08 | chuckr | This is chuck I'm back you guys wwant something? |
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| 00:45.58 | mithro | the package needs alot more testing |
| 00:46.02 | mithro | it works for me pretty well |
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| 00:55.53 | jdh41 | treke: thanks |
| 01:00.22 | treke | preempt kernels dont work :p |
| 01:02.00 | jdh41 | is OZ3.3.5 built against glibc 2.3.2 or 2.2.4? |
| 01:02.54 | treke | 2.2.4 |
| 01:03.00 | jdh41 | thats what I tohught |
| 01:03.02 | treke | and 2.3.2 for gcc3 images |
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| 01:03.21 | jdh41 | ah, I was under the impression that it was built with gcc3 |
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| 01:09.46 | Twiun | hmmm... that doesn't look good |
| 01:11.33 | chouimat | night |
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| 01:23.34 | mithro | treke: any luck with the compat packages? |
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| 01:57.40 | cyn_ | Disconnect: not only is it out - I ordered it slow delivery and already gtot it |
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| 02:12.55 | mithro | treke|home: any luck with the compat packages? |
| 02:13.38 | treke|home | mithro: didnt try |
| 02:13.42 | treke|home | my kernel wouldnt boot |
| 02:13.54 | mithro | dang :( |
| 02:14.02 | treke|home | and the zaurus was the only cf/sd writer I had |
| 02:14.36 | mithro | treke|home: doh! |
| 02:15.23 | treke|home | no biggy. Just meant I could do anything till I got home. |
| 02:15.42 | Twiun | good thing you're home now :) |
| 02:15.44 | treke|home | new kernel is building away |
| 02:17.24 | mithro | coolies |
| 02:17.44 | Twiun | hrmph |
| 02:17.55 | Twiun | 3 subnets for 5 devices... |
| 02:18.01 | Twiun | talk about a mess |
| 02:18.01 | treke|home | sound good to me |
| 02:18.27 | Twiun | 1 subnet for wifi, 1 for green i/f and 1 for red 1/f |
| 02:19.10 | Twiun | all this because iptables doesn't like forwarding packets to the same subnets ;) |
| 02:19.34 | Twiun | or should I make the wifi part of the green i/f? |
| 02:19.42 | Twiun | can I have two nics on the same network? |
| 02:20.01 | mithro | green i/f? |
| 02:20.22 | Twiun | i/f==interface, green is the intranet, red is the internet |
| 02:20.29 | mithro | ahh |
| 02:20.31 | Twiun | orange is usually the DMZ |
| 02:20.44 | Twiun | but I've run out of machines and nics for that... |
| 02:20.56 | Twiun | although I could make another virtual nic |
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| 02:21.35 | Twiun | hmmm, I think I need to re-read the firewalling faq |
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| 02:39.12 | Twiun | wb Neo|Work |
| 02:39.25 | Twiun | what did you do to get K-lined? |
| 02:40.44 | W8TVI | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=msgid:<20030901172055.0525c67f.s_popov@prosyst.bg>&ic=1 |
| 02:48.51 | treke|home | kergoth_: ping |
| 02:59.07 | ljp | bleh |
| 02:59.18 | ljp | I gotto go get x-rayed |
| 03:00.57 | Twiun | eh? |
| 03:01.05 | Twiun | hiding WMD's again? |
| 03:01.52 | treke|home | up his ass |
| 03:02.43 | ljp | no. |
| 03:02.49 | ljp | for .au immigration |
| 03:03.05 | Twiun | gotta to get some sleep, g'night guys |
| 03:03.22 | ljp | chest xray |
| 03:03.36 | Twiun | ah, yes, for TB |
| 03:03.45 | ljp | checking for turbulousis |
| 03:04.10 | ljp | hope they dont discover my 4 hearts and 2 stomachs |
| 03:05.03 | ljp | or the borg nanoprobes |
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| 03:19.07 | Matthew_I | ya know what we need for opie and openembedded? |
| 03:19.27 | Matthew_I | a pocket sized version of openoffice that still uses the same file type |
| 03:20.01 | Matthew_I | in other words a word processor/spreadsheet/and presentation app that use the open office file formats |
| 03:21.21 | treke|home | feel free to help the opie developers write opie-office |
| 03:23.46 | chuckr | I think you guys are wrong. What's needed is pretty good reliability and useability for what's already there. It's rather amazing, what's already out there, but it needs to be reliable and documented before it could get really popular. Once that happens, it would take off on it's own pretty well |
| 03:24.58 | chuckr | usb has to work, recycling, on and off, reliably. packinging, also. The fonts, the other features. I'm not saying what's there isn't good, its great, but what's needed is to polish it, not add more jewels |
| 03:26.01 | treke|home | Polishing is great once the stuff is there to polish. For some people, having stuff that isnt there is important. |
| 03:26.17 | treke|home | It's a balance |
| 03:27.34 | treke|home | if you bought your pda to do writing on, a word processor could be a big deal to you |
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| 03:30.11 | chuckr | It's not a totally one sided thing, but having that wp isn't much use if the utils around it, needed to make it work (communications, filesystem, archiving, etc) don't work. They'll ask for that WP, but if the environ around it isn't there, they won't USE the wp. It's just shinier. |
| 03:30.42 | chuckr | its surely xexier to work on |
| 03:30.48 | chuckr | sexier |
| 03:31.42 | chuckr | The WP is only a jewel if it works in the whole system, else, it's just a pretty picture |
| 03:32.17 | treke|home | the word processor is a word processor if it processes words |
| 03:32.22 | chuckr | OTOH, I like to work on infrastructure, and I don't mind if you guys disagree with me |
| 03:34.35 | treke|home | I like polish apps, but when it comes down to whether I want more of the functionality I'm looking for versus, more time spent on features I dont use, it's an easy decision :) |
| 03:36.42 | Matthew_I | who are the opei-write developers |
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| 04:06.06 | chuckr | (laughing) I'm really not sure how to take your last line, it's a spoonerism. I like it from a number of ways! |
| 04:06.26 | chuckr | polish apps? |
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| 04:11.54 | Pendalar | does rm -rf tmp/* effectively 'start over' when doing oebuilds? |
| 04:14.22 | mithro | treke|home: any luck yet? |
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| 04:33.36 | treke|home | mithro: nope |
| 04:33.54 | treke|home | Pendalar: yup |
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| 04:37.17 | Pendalar | on oebuild glibc/glibc_2.3.2.oe |
| 04:37.31 | Pendalar | it keeps telling me malformed UTF-8 characters |
| 04:37.48 | Pendalar | Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected end of string) at /root/devel/openembedded/packages/tmp/staging/build/bin/patcher line 779, <DIFF> line 131. |
| 04:37.50 | Pendalar | sorta thing |
| 04:38.16 | Pendalar | patcher/autoconf/automake did fine |
| 04:40.08 | Pendalar | common problem or am I special |
| 04:40.37 | treke|home | ok. It's booting |
| 04:40.47 | treke|home | using the wrong image and zImage |
| 04:41.46 | treke|home | now to see if it's actually the kernel or the zImage that's fux0red |
| 04:42.53 | Pendalar | treke have any idea? |
| 04:43.04 | Pendalar | if not I guess I'll just pass til tomorrow night |
| 04:43.12 | treke|home | Pendalar: Nope. |
| 04:43.17 | treke|home | havent done any oe builds in a while |
| 04:43.20 | Pendalar | before all the others go to sleep |
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| 04:45.11 | gb2 | pendalar: try setting your locale to C instead of a utf8 locale |
| 04:45.17 | gb2 | but that is a bit odd. |
| 04:46.11 | Pendalar | can you idoicize that suggestion? |
| 04:46.34 | gb2 | trying to think of how actually :) |
| 04:46.44 | gb2 | env |grep -i utf |
| 04:46.51 | gb2 | what does that give you? |
| 04:47.02 | Pendalar | [root@NeXuS packages]# env |grep -i utf |
| 04:47.02 | Pendalar | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 04:47.11 | gb2 | try LANG=C |
| 04:47.14 | gb2 | then run the oebuild |
| 04:48.56 | Pendalar | k probably take a few minutes |
| 04:50.03 | Pendalar | I do believe you are right |
| 04:50.12 | gb2 | how large is /root/devel/openembedded/packages/tmp/staging/build/bin/patcher there? |
| 04:50.13 | Pendalar | you smart smart fella |
| 04:50.26 | gb2 | 34310 bytes? |
| 04:50.30 | Pendalar | well it got farther anyways |
| 04:51.02 | Pendalar | 36 =-x |
| 04:51.24 | Pendalar | I assume that's bad.. |
| 04:51.34 | gb2 | the server that hosts patcher has a tendency to return a short file |
| 04:52.13 | Pendalar | so I have a bad patcher oe file? |
| 04:52.22 | gb2 | no, the download was bad |
| 04:52.30 | gb2 | in your DL_DIR |
| 04:53.11 | gb2 | i'd remove that file and the .md5 file for it too |
| 04:53.31 | Pendalar | the dl dir is 34310 |
| 04:53.41 | Pendalar | but the one in the /tmp is 36 |
| 04:53.53 | gb2 | that's odd. |
| 04:54.34 | Pendalar | so =-) |
| 04:54.45 | gb2 | since patcher.oe should just copy the file from the downloads into staging |
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| 04:55.16 | gb2 | try rm'ing tmp/stamps/patcher* and tmp/staging/build/bin/patcher |
| 04:55.20 | gb2 | then oebuild patcher.oe again |
| 04:55.32 | Pendalar | I've rm -rf tmp/ various times now |
| 04:55.37 | gb2 | heh |
| 04:55.44 | gb2 | i have no clue how it corrupted it |
| 04:56.28 | Pendalar | I'll redo the first 3 for fun |
| 04:57.28 | Pendalar | the LANG=C did help though |
| 04:57.50 | Pendalar | but I guess if my patcher is broken I'm not going to get very far on anything |
| 05:01.40 | Pendalar | it fails on the do_configure |
| 05:01.46 | Pendalar | with checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
| 05:01.46 | Pendalar | FATAL: oe_runconf failed |
| 05:02.39 | Pendalar | any idea on that one? |
| 05:15.37 | treke|home | looks like its booting. finally |
| 05:19.55 | Pendalar | I'll try again tomorrow =-) |
| 05:19.57 | Pendalar | 'night all |
| 05:42.49 | mithro | treke|home: coolies |
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| 06:05.20 | treke|home | mithro: trying your compat library on gaim |
| 06:10.14 | treke|home | no good there |
| 06:10.26 | treke|home | uses libopie |
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| 06:13.23 | treke|home | hancommword is a no go also |
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| 06:18.12 | mithro | hancommword uses libsl |
| 06:18.16 | kaiser | :-) |
| 06:18.17 | W8TVI | kaiser: nope |
| 06:18.18 | kaiser | hello |
| 06:18.24 | mithro | 0.5 will have a libsl |
| 06:18.28 | treke|home | ah |
| 06:18.37 | mithro | try an older version of the hancom stuff if you want it to work |
| 06:18.37 | kaiser | question... |
| 06:18.40 | treke|home | wanna throw in a libopie also? |
| 06:18.56 | treke|home | mithro: Yeah I hvae them backed up somewhere. Figured I'd play with the new ones if they worked |
| 06:19.06 | kaiser | I am wanting to use java to write a client/server program using sockets for data collection |
| 06:19.08 | treke|home | kaiser: This isnt much of a java channel |
| 06:19.12 | kaiser | oh... |
| 06:19.14 | kaiser | hehe. |
| 06:19.20 | mithro | treke|home: the new ones should work once i have done libsl |
| 06:19.28 | kaiser | treke|home: figured I would try... cest la vie. |
| 06:19.32 | treke|home | cool. G |
| 06:19.41 | kaiser | any recommendation of some place else to ask about it? |
| 06:19.50 | treke|home | nope |
| 06:20.00 | treke|home | wonder how sdl would work. |
| 06:20.16 | mithro | sdl should work |
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| 06:20.49 | treke|home | More useful would be just recompiling libsdl :) |
| 06:20.52 | treke|home | since it's a c library |
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| 06:22.01 | treke|home | portabase worked |
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| 06:24.53 | mithro | s/libsdl/libsl |
| 06:25.16 | treke|home | I mean sdl :p |
| 06:25.24 | mithro | yeah |
| 06:25.27 | mithro | sorry :) |
| 06:31.42 | W8TVI | no! |
| 06:31.44 | W8TVI | oops |
| 06:31.51 | W8TVI | cant copy over VNC |
| 06:32.50 | W8TVI | try that again |
| 06:32.55 | W8TVI | no! |
| 06:32.57 | W8TVI | You don't have permission to access /wellenreiter/feed/ on this server. |
| 06:33.25 | W8TVI | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 06:33.31 | W8TVI | http://opie.net.wox.org/ |
| 06:33.53 | W8TVI | where do I get wellenreiter from then!? |
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| 06:49.52 | KingRobot | Wellenreiter moved |
| 06:49.59 | KingRobot | I found it earlier. |
| 06:50.16 | KingRobot | I forget where it is - mickeyl is hosting it now. |
| 06:51.23 | W8TVI | dang wep... |
| 06:51.35 | W8TVI | why cant it ever work right |
| 06:51.54 | KingRobot | Use iwconfig - that's the only way I've gotten it to work. |
| 06:52.29 | W8TVI | it seems to work fine on ljp's complie |
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| 06:53.09 | W8TVI | what do you do? |
| 06:53.35 | W8TVI | what command do you use that is |
| 06:53.49 | W8TVI | I know iwconfig, but what else |
| 06:54.03 | KingRobot | That's all... |
| 06:54.07 | KingRobot | hang on a sec. |
| 06:54.28 | KingRobot | Ok, here's the new Wellenreiter site: http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 06:54.34 | W8TVI | k |
| 06:54.46 | KingRobot | And here's how to use iwconfig for WEP: |
| 06:55.12 | KingRobot | iwconfig wlan0 key HHHH-HHHH-HH |
| 06:55.16 | W8TVI | ok |
| 06:55.18 | W8TVI | thanks |
| 06:55.23 | KingRobot | iwconfig wlan0 key on |
| 06:55.26 | W8TVI | I'll see if that will work for me :) |
| 06:55.31 | KingRobot | That's for 64 bit WEP. |
| 06:55.35 | W8TVI | k |
| 06:56.38 | KingRobot | It's a pain 'cause you've got to do it every time you insert the card, unless you write a shell script that loads when you insert the card, but if you're going to bother with that, you might as well be working on the real thing... |
| 06:56.53 | W8TVI | dang drivers |
| 06:57.07 | W8TVI | doesnt support wep |
| 06:57.10 | W8TVI | wrong command |
| 06:57.17 | W8TVI | grrr |
| 06:57.33 | W8TVI | me too |
| 06:57.38 | KingRobot | Odd... |
| 06:57.44 | W8TVI | what rom you using? |
| 06:58.09 | KingRobot | A very hacked up version of OZ 3.2 stable. |
| 06:58.14 | W8TVI | ah |
| 06:58.28 | W8TVI | I'm using 3.3.5 on the one that wont work right |
| 06:58.39 | KingRobot | Oh. |
| 06:58.47 | W8TVI | the one that works right "out of the box" is ljp's 3.3.4 |
| 06:59.09 | KingRobot | 3.3.4 - 5 wouldn't even boot right on my machine |
| 06:59.09 | W8TVI | wonder what he did to it |
| 06:59.23 | W8TVI | I have a 5000, and a 5500 |
| 06:59.30 | KingRobot | Mine the 5500 |
| 06:59.32 | W8TVI | running 3.3.4 on the 5500 |
| 06:59.41 | KingRobot | Which build? |
| 07:00.06 | KingRobot | ( There seems to be a couple of 3.3.4's floating around... ) |
| 07:00.24 | treke|home | 3.3.4 was never released, so it doesnt really map to any one release |
| 07:00.49 | KingRobot | Ahh - that explains it. |
| 07:01.14 | W8TVI | I"m using his build from nov 11, 03 |
| 07:07.40 | W8TVI | ibot Wellenreiter |
| 07:07.41 | | [wellenreiter] http://www.wellenreiter.net/ |
| 07:08.08 | W8TVI | ibot literal Wellenreiter |
| 07:08.09 | | wellenreiter is http://www.wellenreiter.net/ |
| 07:09.11 | W8TVI | ibot literal wellenreiter |
| 07:09.13 | | wellenreiter is http://www.wellenreiter.net/ |
| 07:09.19 | W8TVI | ok... |
| 07:10.59 | W8TVI | ibot no, wellenreiter is <reply> Wellenreiter info is avalble at http://www.wellenreiter.net/ and now downloadable from http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 07:11.01 | | W8TVI: okay |
| 07:12.26 | W8TVI | ibot waverider |
| 07:12.28 | | W8TVI: are you using Windows? |
| 07:12.38 | W8TVI | ibot wave rider |
| 07:12.41 | | Bye, rider |
| 07:12.54 | W8TVI | lol |
| 07:12.59 | W8TVI | ibot waverider is <reply> Wellenreiter info is avalble at http://www.wellenreiter.net/ and now downloadable from http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 07:13.01 | | okay, W8TVI |
| 07:13.15 | KingRobot | ibot wellenreiter ii |
| 07:13.16 | | wellenreiter ii is probably at http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 07:13.34 | W8TVI | that'll work too |
| 07:13.36 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:13.46 | W8TVI | all the bases are covered now |
| 07:15.06 | W8TVI | ibot collie |
| 07:15.10 | | from memory, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 07:18.43 | KingRobot | Hmmm... W8 - do you know where the appearance prefs are stored? I've been experimenting with KDE pixmap themes, and seem to have gotten myself somewhat stuck. :-/ |
| 07:18.54 | W8TVI | on what? |
| 07:18.58 | KingRobot | ( Under OPIE ) |
| 07:19.25 | W8TVI | er... it should be some where under /opt/qtdesktop |
| 07:19.27 | W8TVI | I think |
| 07:20.13 | KingRobot | KDE pixmap themes are *almost* drop-in compatible with OPIE Appearance. Very cool actually, until I tested this somewhat incomplete theme. |
| 07:21.57 | W8TVI | heh |
| 07:23.40 | W8TVI | http://www.vanille.de/projects/camera.html |
| 07:23.56 | W8TVI | now I want a Sharp CE-AG06 to mess with |
| 07:24.21 | KingRobot | I've heard they have pretty lousy quality. |
| 07:24.43 | W8TVI | better with mickey's app |
| 07:24.56 | KingRobot | Just wait for the SL-6000, and then hook up a USB cam... :-D |
| 07:25.03 | W8TVI | no thanks |
| 07:28.47 | W8TVI | now if only I could get some one to give me a CE-AG06 |
| 07:29.44 | KingRobot | Yes, now in that case, you wouldn't need to wait, OR spend the extra money :) |
| 07:29.52 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:29.58 | KingRobot | Ahh - qpe.conf |
| 07:31.12 | W8TVI | I'd like a small digital camera that I could take with me anywere that I was better than a $30 junk one |
| 07:31.26 | W8TVI | on some dumb "pen cam" |
| 07:31.50 | W8TVI | that camera would work with my zaurus... seeing that I take my zaurus with me everywere |
| 07:32.13 | KingRobot | The only reason I bought one of those pen cams was to take it up in my R/C aircraft once... |
| 07:32.22 | W8TVI | heh |
| 07:33.54 | W8TVI | I have an Olympus C700UZ, but with its 10x zoom, it makes it kinda big to take everywere |
| 07:35.42 | W8TVI | I take both my 5500 and my 5000 with me and my sony sj-20... |
| 07:36.32 | W8TVI | if I want to beam a biz card to some one with an old palm, I have to send it with my sony |
| 07:36.48 | W8TVI | otherwise if I send it with my zaurus, it crashes the palm |
| 07:37.03 | W8TVI | but my sony has POS 4.1 and it doesn't crash |
| 07:37.48 | W8TVI | if I could get my hands on an older palm pda then I might be able to figure out why the zaurus crashes the older pos |
| 07:54.08 | W8TVI | I cant code (yet) but I can BS |
| 07:54.10 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:54.15 | W8TVI | right treke? |
| 07:56.08 | W8TVI | well... I need to head to bed... got a job to go to tomorow |
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| 14:51.10 | kolla | ping? |
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| 17:53.33 | treke | morning CP |
| 17:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | treke: morning |
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| 17:59.35 | kergoth_ | heh, i see oliver hasnt lost his ability to piss me off |
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| 18:00.12 | treke | ha |
| 18:00.57 | kergoth | just replied, probably hasnt hit the list yet |
| 18:01.15 | treke | it has |
| 18:03.19 | kergoth | eilers doesnt know how to add things to a patch? heh |
| 18:04.14 | dan2003_ | if i evetually get to the end of this build process i think im gonna write a doc entitled "buildroot for dummies" :) |
| 18:04.32 | kergoth | why bother, its deprecated |
| 18:05.04 | dan2003_ | im building for simpad at the mo, as far as i can tell its still the way to, and some1 (i think mickey) confirmed it was only yesturday |
| 18:05.16 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
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| 18:05.23 | kergoth | that doesnt mean you should waste effort on it. |
| 18:05.45 | treke | hehe. I forgot how cool some of e's features were |
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| 18:24.29 | kergoth | brb, second trip to starbucks of hte day |
| 18:24.46 | treke | ha |
| 18:25.04 | kergoth | treke: all day meeting. heh. |
| 18:25.07 | kergoth | k bbl |
| 18:26.40 | chuckr | G'MORNING |
| 18:40.44 | dan2003_ | evening |
| 18:40.58 | Twiun | ljp: so... when's the announcement? |
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| 18:49.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:49.17 | kergoth | its amusing that i take a short lunch break and get caffeine instead of food. |
| 18:49.36 | kergoth | mmm donut |
| 18:49.51 | treke | registration day, so we have boxes of them sitting around |
| 18:50.36 | chuckr | hey guys, the sharp zaurus site is back |
| 18:53.25 | kergoth | whee, back to meeting |
| 18:58.34 | jdh41 | heh |
| 18:59.26 | jdh41 | the Schrodinger's zaurus.com paradox: It exists in both states until you ping it to see if its up. |
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| 19:36.04 | masticator | gah |
| 19:38.29 | kergoth`bbl | bleh |
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| 20:11.50 | kergoth | heh, that it100 box linked too off /. looks like a modern day version of a magnia. same functionality and similar original pricepiont |
| 20:20.06 | treke | you get debian up and running? |
| 20:20.39 | kergoth | nah. net access at home is down, as is my directv |
| 20:20.46 | kergoth | and i own no antenna. so no tv and no internet. |
| 20:20.52 | kergoth | no tv and no internet makes kergoth unhappy |
| 20:29.17 | gb2 | kergoth: find some wire? |
| 20:29.20 | gb2 | coathanger perhaps? |
| 20:29.27 | gb2 | kergoth: it'll be like a real texas tv. |
| 20:29.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:29.38 | kergoth | i could just go buy a damn antenna |
| 20:29.39 | kergoth | just lazy |
| 20:29.50 | kergoth | on the plus side, i can get a lot of development done with th elack of distractions |
| 20:29.56 | kergoth | think about it.. no tv and no irc.. :) |
| 20:31.10 | gb2 | when comcast turned off my cable (it was on in the unit when i moved in) i eventually bought an antenna |
| 20:31.11 | gb2 | it sucked a lot |
| 20:31.19 | gb2 | I'm now paying comcast for cable |
| 20:32.55 | chuckr | hello, anything new on the subject of 760 images? |
| 20:44.00 | TimRiker | me pays for basic cable and internet to comcast, but gets standard cable and internet cause the basic cable filter would block the internet access. ;-) |
| 20:47.34 | treke | hmmm. I need to start paying for cable again |
| 20:48.27 | treke | gb2: hehe. It was the same here. It worked for 3 or 4 months before they turned it off |
| 20:48.40 | treke | then I payed them too much for a year and havent been paying for a couple months |
| 20:55.24 | tux_mike | hey, anyone on the west coast? |
| 21:04.58 | chuckr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.47 | chuckr | could that possibly be 'cause of anything I could have mis-managed myself? |
| 21:08.57 | chuckr | how do you get a *real* clean re-booting? I might ahve some old cruft making this error occur |
| 21:09.34 | chuckr | I mean, pulling the power isn't good enough, how to zero alll possible memory short of disabling reflashing |
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| 21:21.25 | dan2003_ | ist that what option3 doesn in the fflash menu? |
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| 21:22.29 | chuckr | I don't know, my Japanese is runsy (that';s a joke, but are you sure that's what it is?) |
| 21:23.01 | chuckr | darn my typing is bad, rusty |
| 21:24.05 | dan2003_ | well when i was using sdharp rom and upgraded to cacko, it was screwy, things didnt work, option 3 fixed it all, thwn wehn i came to oz i had a few issues, again option 3 fixed it, there is an explanation on the jap site and something does a prety good translation, cant rmeber what tho, i dont think it was google |
| 21:24.57 | dan2003_ | i found a link to a traslated version whilst looking for sharp sources if that helps |
| 21:24.58 | chuckr | I know about the odd cacko innstall (I did it myself on experimentation, and it worked OK, but I liked opie better) |
| 21:25.25 | chuckr | I now have a 760 that I had to reflash, but I'd lost my original 760 image and can't find another to work |
| 21:25.35 | chuckr | they all boot, but they all fail to network usb |
| 21:26.07 | dan2003_ | ahh, i havent tried that since i got my wifi card, and i have always had oz since that |
| 21:26.14 | dan2003_ | sorry, only |
| 21:26.16 | chuckr | most boot very well. I guess it's the initrd.bin's that have improved, much |
| 21:26.36 | dan2003_ | i see if usbnet works for me |
| 21:26.44 | chuckr | that's the reason I've been working with treke so much lately |
| 21:27.12 | chuckr | the 760, for the last few days, thinks that usb has wifi characteristics |
| 21:28.33 | dan2003_ | ? in what way? |
| 21:49.20 | ljp | ugg |
| 21:52.38 | chouimat | cool solaris8 and 9 are free again and 10 is available too |
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| 22:17.44 | ljp | being hungover on friday mornign is fun |
| 22:19.33 | chouimat | ljp: having 103F of fever is funnier |
| 22:20.40 | ljp | heheh, fun when its -5c out, eh? |
| 22:20.57 | ljp | its frickin hot here today |
| 22:21.07 | ljp | 26C at 6:30 |
| 22:27.04 | chouimat | ljp: was 8C today with a lot of RAIN |
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| 22:30.14 | _Psycho | rain was terrible, its been like 10 hours non stop choui here =p |
| 22:30.20 | _Psycho | its still rainning too |
| 22:30.29 | _Psycho | good thing its not snow =p |
| 22:33.19 | chouimat | _Psycho: started this afternoon here ... and I had to go out ... I think I will be sick again :( |
| 22:34.53 | treke | "Oh we don't have any record of your new lease, can you leave your number and we'll call you back" |
| 22:35.01 | treke | sure you will. bastards |
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| 22:47.29 | ljp | treke: sounds like fun |
| 22:50.13 | chouimat | lol! when they did the autopsy of a 75 years old woman ... they found 3 chineses balls in her vagina .... |
| 22:51.35 | ljp | eewwwwwwww |
| 22:51.47 | ljp | thats too much information, there dude |
| 22:52.28 | chouimat | ljp: yup I agree |
| 22:52.50 | chouimat | ljp: the newscaster here had some trouble telling the news |
| 22:53.15 | CosmicPenguin | Why even report it? |
| 22:53.46 | Neo|Work | newsworthy? :) |
| 22:53.47 | ljp | I would have said, "No WAY am I going to deliver this script. sorry. next question" |
| 22:54.05 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: don't know ... |
| 22:54.22 | ljp | think if that was your grandmother |
| 22:54.36 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: you know the show you have on the radio when you get back from work ... |
| 22:54.41 | chouimat | ljp: exactly |
| 22:56.34 | chouimat | if they report that it's probably because nothing happened today ... |
| 22:56.50 | _Psycho | Talking about stupidity i heard a good one yesterday about a thief that got caught in australia =p |
| 22:56.58 | ljp | cant they at least report on what Celine Dion ate for breakfast? |
| 22:57.59 | chouimat | ljp: they do it ... |
| 22:58.20 | _Psycho | The guys went to his local store and bought a santa costume. Took his bike, went down to the bank, did his job, then runned away. The guys got caught, by the police, because he forgot to remove his santa red pants while he was on his bike =p |
| 22:58.47 | _Psycho | ljp they do it here =p |
| 22:58.48 | chouimat | lol |
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| 23:00.30 | chouimat | _Psycho: at least we can be grateful of what Rene did ... he married her ... as we say Jesus is not the only who sacrificed himself for mankind |
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| 23:11.50 | kergoth | re |
| 23:11.58 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 23:12.13 | fusion94 | i hate people |
| 23:12.22 | _Psycho | women too ? |
| 23:12.39 | chouimat | fusion94: so what are doing in here? |
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| 23:18.39 | ljp | I hate some people |
| 23:22.45 | fusion94 | ljp: heh.....currently i'm hating the people trying to mirror devnet |
| 23:23.42 | mickeyl | let them break it |
| 23:23.46 | mickeyl | who needs 3 forums? |
| 23:23.52 | mickeyl | if at all, we need 1 |
| 23:23.54 | mickeyl | nothing more |
| 23:23.56 | mickeyl | maybe less |
| 23:24.22 | ljp | well, theres things on devnet that they probably shouldnt be distributing |
| 23:24.34 | kergoth | personally i'd say none. mailing list + web gateway |
| 23:24.49 | mickeyl | yeah - people insist on forums, though |
| 23:25.26 | kergoth | well, give them a forum interface to the ML threads |
| 23:25.29 | treke | mail -> www gateway |
| 23:25.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:25.40 | fusion94 | kergoth: agreed |
| 23:26.10 | mickeyl | a forum interface to the ML threads lacks categorization |
| 23:26.21 | mickeyl | that's what people like (i assume) |
| 23:26.37 | treke | not at all. each mailing list is its own category |
| 23:26.46 | mickeyl | not that categorization would keep them from cross-posting, though |
| 23:26.47 | mickeyl | heh |
| 23:27.12 | kergoth | exactly. openembedded-devel is enough of a cateogry, and below that we have the threads. imho thats more than sufficient |
| 23:27.45 | treke | as it is, people have a hard time grasping that the mailing lists arent interchangable just because it's all the same people |
| 23:28.03 | kergoth | heh, i dont see whats hard to understand about it |
| 23:28.11 | kergoth | -devel is for .. development questions |
| 23:28.41 | treke | "This doesnt work, someone fix it" |
| 23:29.05 | kergoth | what really pisses me off, is people who ask support questions in this channel |
| 23:29.10 | kergoth | just because the correct one is quiet. |
| 23:29.18 | kergoth | silence doesnt make it suddenly on topic here. |
| 23:29.41 | treke | I like the ones who ask in every other channel and then ask in here |
| 23:30.38 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: too much cafeine and too little food today? :) |
| 23:31.08 | kergoth | it pisses me off everyday |
| 23:31.10 | kergoth | not just todya |
| 23:32.11 | fusion94 | kergoth: you need shiner bock |
| 23:33.52 | _Psycho | i dont like zug forums personnaly i prefer enterne.net one (I mean when i use it) phpBB is better imo =p but thats personnal |
| 23:34.02 | _Psycho | thats probably why i almost just post on externe =p |
| 23:35.18 | _Psycho | and i prefer forums over mailing list =p |
| 23:35.46 | _Psycho | talking about build gonna try and do a build for xu4 (ultima4) for the c7x0 i guess |
| 23:35.51 | kergoth | _Psycho: most developers prefer ML's. would you rather have dev support or no? |
| 23:35.52 | _Psycho | tonight |
| 23:35.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:35.54 | fusion94 | kergoth: hey...how do i reflash my z ?? |
| 23:35.59 | _Psycho | i got bored from qtopia 1.7 =p |
| 23:36.05 | kergoth | fusion94: by shoving it up your ass, no doubt |
| 23:36.25 | _Psycho | kergoth indeed, but forum are easier to search stuff, and find answer to questions for most peoples imo |
| 23:36.32 | kergoth | um |
| 23:36.38 | _Psycho | i dont know how i can calibrate in qtopia 1.7 else my image was decent =p |
| 23:36.38 | kergoth | _Psycho: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ |
| 23:36.41 | kergoth | _Psycho: use it. love it. |
| 23:36.42 | fusion94 | heh....i'll pass.....i |
| 23:36.47 | kergoth | we just need our lists archived there |
| 23:37.53 | _Psycho | Indeed, anyway im not gonna change the world =p |
| 23:38.00 | _Psycho | (at least tonight) |
| 23:38.25 | _Psycho | ljp around ? |
| 23:38.37 | _Psycho | i had some question regarding his 1.7 build =p |
| 23:38.49 | treke | the thing with forums is that I have to go search for new messages |
| 23:38.57 | treke | with a decent mail client they are there and visible |
| 23:39.00 | kergoth | what i hate about forums is .. using a browser |
| 23:39.07 | treke | and using a browser |
| 23:39.23 | _Psycho | treke, thats why externe.net is cool when you are logged on, you see every new messages only in orange, easy to spot and see new posts |
| 23:39.43 | treke | right but you have to go looking for them :) they dont come to you |
| 23:40.01 | CosmicPenguin | And you can't filter them |
| 23:40.02 | CosmicPenguin | or spell check |
| 23:40.05 | _Psycho | Yeah but, thats the point when you work, you want to "use time" |
| 23:40.06 | CosmicPenguin | or archive |
| 23:40.07 | _Psycho | =p |
| 23:40.11 | CosmicPenguin | or read off line |
| 23:40.18 | treke | "use time" |
| 23:40.19 | treke | ? |
| 23:40.31 | _Psycho | you know, fake that you work, but you actually doing nothing =p |
| 23:40.31 | kergoth | i assume he means s/use/waste/ |
| 23:40.51 | _Psycho | yeah i just cant find a good word for it |
| 23:40.51 | kergoth | heh, my time is valuable. if i'm going to fake that i'm working, i'm still going to be working, just on personal not professional stuff |
| 23:41.04 | ljp | ya, here |
| 23:41.14 | _Psycho | well my work is boring, couples of web site to browse during the day is great |
| 23:41.31 | kergoth | ljp: going to send my qte tslib patch i did at TI upstream. where to? |
| 23:41.43 | ljp | lpotter at trolltech.com |
| 23:41.50 | treke | troll@trolltech.com |
| 23:41.51 | kergoth | and is there some official processs by which i grant you guys hte rights to use it in qpl and gpl? |
| 23:41.59 | kergoth | or just note it in the copyright header? |
| 23:42.15 | ljp | not real sure. I can find out |
| 23:42.16 | _Psycho | ljp, i just had a question about qt 1.7, does it have a calibrate function ? program or whatever ? I was not able to find any last time =p |
| 23:42.25 | treke | kergoth: There is, but it involves nakedness, whipped cream, and an angry raccoon |
| 23:42.34 | ljp | yes, it has calibrate, it is in the server |
| 23:42.34 | *** part/#openembedded KingRobot (~Mathew@dsl093-185-092.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:42.36 | kergoth | ljp: do so. I'll email you this |
| 23:42.50 | ljp | groovey |
| 23:42.58 | _Psycho | how do i call it ? I tried some stupid stuff like qcop QPE/calibrate etc, but you know i dont know that part yet =p |
| 23:42.59 | kergoth | i'll send you the keyboard bits when they're complete as well for your review. probably this weekend sometime |
| 23:43.09 | ljp | we have a new office administrator. she's making cappichinos |
| 23:43.17 | ljp | and got me drunk last night |
| 23:43.24 | ljp | I think I like her |
| 23:43.24 | treke | is that slang for secretary? |
| 23:43.26 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:43.43 | ljp | more than secretary |
| 23:43.50 | kergoth | ugh, all day meeting so i didnt get by my apartment office |
| 23:43.54 | kergoth | so still no net or tv |
| 23:44.06 | pb_ | kergoth: they cut you off? |
| 23:44.07 | treke | yeah, I guess getting you drunk isnt in a normal scretary's job description |
| 23:45.01 | kergoth | pb_: dunno. both went down simultaniously. different companies for service, so must be a local/line issue.. havent had time to bitch at them |
| 23:45.19 | pb_ | aha. |
| 23:45.40 | ljp | mmmm and she delivers |
| 23:47.11 | kergoth | ljp: bastard |
| 23:47.56 | fusion94 | kergoth: you get DSL through SBC there ? |
| 23:48.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: wassup |
| 23:49.29 | kergoth | fusion94: its cable, not dsl, but it is through sbc |
| 23:49.32 | _Psycho | so ! how do i call function from server ? qcop QPE/stuf "load()" ? (thats might be good for my test), hmm i had another question ljp but i forgot it was something related to 1.7 too oh well =p |
| 23:49.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nada, fixing nonworking OE builds |
| 23:49.59 | _Psycho | oh just got called for beers (again) |
| 23:50.08 | _Psycho | too bad for xu4 =p |
| 23:50.53 | _Psycho | i need to stop typing smilies everywhere. |
| 23:50.56 | _Psycho | its a bad habit |
| 23:51.27 | fusion94 | kergoth: ugh......i think i'll just transfer my sbc dsl from california to sbc dsl there in texas when i move |
| 23:51.42 | kergoth | ah thats cool |
| 23:51.55 | ljp | I think work just got a bit more difficult |
| 23:52.04 | _Psycho | god tonight most be the beers night, i just got a call from a totaly different friend, who want to go at the same place to take beers |
| 23:52.44 | ljp | http://laddertheory.com |
| 23:53.33 | kergoth | picked up a 15yr laphroaig scotch last night. goood |
| 23:53.40 | fusion94 | kergoth: you'll have to come visit....that is if you have a vehicle |
| 23:54.35 | kergoth | yep, i do |
| 23:54.55 | _Psycho | nice web page |
| 23:55.14 | kergoth | heh, be back tomorrow, im goin home |
| 23:56.11 | ljp | fine. sit in your appartment with no tv or internet |
| 23:59.16 | pb_ | looks like kergoth started a stampede. |