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| 00:01.12 | _Psycho | damn all the key look fucky like the first release of OZ :) |
| 00:01.53 | Mellen | Which version of sed is required to build glibc? I'm getting: sed: file ../scripts/output-format.sed line 21: Unknown command: ``Q'' |
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| 00:12.03 | ljp | whats sed? |
| 00:12.55 | Twiun | hey ljp |
| 00:13.07 | ljp | yo |
| 00:14.12 | _Psycho | hey ljp, quicklauncher always open date and time |
| 00:14.18 | Mellen | sed... gnu sed... $ man sed |
| 00:14.26 | _Psycho | everything that is "linked" to it, just open date and time |
| 00:14.39 | _Psycho | i guess it doesnt work like quickexec ? :) like todolist -> quickexec |
| 00:14.40 | _Psycho | etc |
| 00:14.43 | ljp | real developers use sed |
| 00:14.54 | _Psycho | or maybe its hmm i think i got an idea |
| 00:15.26 | ljp | qtopia 1.7 and opie use qucklaunch, not quickexec |
| 00:15.33 | ljp | quicklaunch |
| 00:15.43 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 00:15.54 | W8TVI | quacklaunch? |
| 00:15.55 | _Psycho | but somehow quicklaunch always start date/time only |
| 00:15.58 | W8TVI | :P |
| 00:17.08 | Mellen | What version of sed are you guys using? Mine is 3.02 and doesn't have the 'Q' command (which is also the same as 'q') |
| 00:17.18 | Mellen | also=almost |
| 00:17.45 | ljp | 3.02.80 here |
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| 01:17.16 | Twiun | ljp: so, those good news... it going to be a Lorn-Announcement or a Press release from HQ? |
| 01:17.31 | ljp | :) |
| 01:17.35 | treke|laptop | I'm guessing it's going to be a decent mail client |
| 01:17.41 | treke|laptop | but what do I know |
| 01:17.46 | ljp | it will be from Qtopia Community |
| 01:17.57 | ljp | announcement |
| 01:18.30 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 01:25.23 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|laptop: hehe |
| 01:28.52 | treke|laptop | ok. rotate should work now |
| 01:30.50 | Soopaman | hey guys |
| 01:30.56 | Soopaman | mike vick is playing |
| 01:31.03 | Soopaman | turn off irc till the game is over |
| 01:31.46 | treke|laptop | mike vick? Who the hell is mike vick |
| 01:32.01 | Soopaman | are you serious? |
| 01:33.55 | treke|laptop | I'm as serious as a missing wang. |
| 01:36.34 | Soopaman | quarterback for the atlanta falcons |
| 01:37.14 | treke|laptop | eh. Who cares about baseball |
| 01:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 01:37.50 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought quaterbacks were in football |
| 01:37.54 | treke|laptop | same shit |
| 01:38.09 | Soopaman | heh |
| 01:38.12 | TheMasterMind1 | true |
| 01:40.17 | masticator | yo. |
| 01:51.02 | ljp | hey |
| 01:51.13 | Twiun | hey mast |
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| 02:07.46 | chouimat | hey masticator |
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| 02:31.39 | sheenmaster | "Switch over to a bootloader which allows a reliable system backup/restore, " |
| 02:31.41 | sheenmaster | regarding that |
| 02:31.45 | sheenmaster | a bootloader isn't necessary |
| 02:32.02 | sheenmaster | it could be done from an init script |
| 02:32.35 | sheenmaster | remount / as ro then rip and image |
| 02:32.45 | sheenmaster | and crop or pad it to make it flashable |
| 02:33.09 | sheenmaster | Should I just write this myself, or has someone else already done it? |
| 02:41.39 | cyn | how do you restore in that scenario sheenmaster |
| 02:42.09 | sheenmaster | reflash |
| 02:42.20 | cyn | heh |
| 02:46.51 | absentia | re |
| 02:48.35 | Pendalar | someone know the dimensions of a c860 off the top of their head? =-x |
| 02:49.20 | sheenmaster | Pendalar: smaller than me Sun E3500, larger than an SD card. |
| 02:49.29 | sheenmaster | s/me/my |
| 02:49.30 | cyn | prolly same as c7x0's |
| 02:49.51 | cyn | well, depends on battery i suppose if you want the full on dimensions |
| 02:49.51 | treke|la1top | s/7x0/760 |
| 02:49.56 | cyn | :) |
| 02:50.03 | treke|la1top | 4.7" x 3.3" x 0.9" (120 x 83 x 23.2 mm) |
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| 02:50.05 | cyn | s/full/full info/ |
| 02:50.06 | treke|la1top | that's the 760 |
| 02:50.08 | absentia | has kergoth been missing for two days? |
| 02:50.13 | treke|la1top | weekend |
| 02:50.17 | absentia | I'm hoping to finish the oemake -a |
| 02:50.31 | cyn | ibot: dims760 is 4.7" x 3.3" x 0.9" (120 x 83 x 23.2 mm) |
| 02:50.33 | | cyn: okay |
| 02:50.48 | absentia | ok, time to do bills. |
| 02:50.52 | cyn | mmm bilz |
| 02:50.54 | absentia | see ya |
| 02:50.56 | cyn | l8r |
| 02:51.03 | Pendalar | the normal (larger) battery |
| 02:51.15 | cyn | then yeah it should be what treke|la1top said |
| 02:51.22 | cyn | la1top? heh |
| 02:51.58 | Pendalar | ok |
| 02:52.19 | Pendalar | basically what I'm wanting to know is these proporta cases, if it'd fit |
| 02:53.10 | Pendalar | but alais it won't |
| 02:53.31 | Pendalar | 160x80x20mm internal |
| 02:53.35 | Pendalar | almost right =-e |
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| 02:55.13 | Pendalar | too bad, sweet case |
| 02:55.29 | Pendalar | might could be sanded or something |
| 02:56.14 | sheenmaster | We could set my Sun on top of it. That out to squeeze it into shape. |
| 02:56.27 | Pendalar | http://www.proporta.com/detail.asp?id=371 |
| 02:56.36 | Pendalar | I just want some sort of hardcase |
| 02:58.10 | absentia | most all my suns were stolen |
| 02:58.21 | sheenmaster | absentia: that sucks |
| 02:58.37 | treke|laptop | hmmm. know what oe needs? |
| 02:58.42 | treke|laptop | some kind of script to manage the feeds |
| 02:59.37 | sheenmaster | absentia: You're welcome to a few of my sparcstation if you want them. 128mB/ram, 32bit. Probably not worth shipping costs. |
| 02:59.48 | sheenmaster | s/sparcstation/sparcstations |
| 03:00.01 | absentia | what model ? |
| 03:00.22 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: saw alias? |
| 03:02.09 | sheenmaster | 30 5's, 2 20's, and an ss1000E(4 proc, two boards) |
| 03:02.28 | absentia | nice |
| 03:02.35 | absentia | I had an 8cpu 576mb ss1000 |
| 03:02.39 | absentia | sounded like a dc10 when it was running |
| 03:02.47 | sheenmaster | Mine's also rather loud. |
| 03:02.58 | absentia | why do you have that arrangement/count of machines? |
| 03:03.07 | absentia | I don't think those will run sol9, correct? |
| 03:03.10 | absentia | or 10. |
| 03:03.22 | absentia | I have an LX in the closet... didn't get stolen. |
| 03:03.54 | sheenmaster | I have 2.6 on the SS1000; don't have a copy of 7 or 8. 9 won't run. |
| 03:04.08 | absentia | yup |
| 03:04.16 | absentia | those are at your house? |
| 03:04.36 | sheenmaster | The rest run OpenBSD 3.2 |
| 03:05.17 | sheenmaster | The majority. One is in my stereo as an ESD server. |
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| 03:05.32 | absentia | heh |
| 03:05.35 | sheenmaster | I bought the E3500 afterward |
| 03:05.40 | absentia | I now live in a shoebox in nyc |
| 03:05.46 | _Psycho | oh back |
| 03:05.49 | _Psycho | that break was good |
| 03:05.51 | absentia | so I decided instead of trying to get anet going here, etc.. Id just buy my first pc... colo |
| 03:05.57 | absentia | nice! |
| 03:06.06 | absentia | a friend here has a 440 shell, just no cpu |
| 03:06.08 | _Psycho | Qtopia 1.7 look too great to give up =p |
| 03:07.00 | Soopaman | you have picture of 1.7? |
| 03:07.02 | sheenmaster | 8G/ram, 8M/l2 cache, 8 ultrasparc procs, 8 FC-AL fibre channel drives, and two differential scsi controllers |
| 03:07.18 | absentia | what do you do with that beast? |
| 03:07.19 | sheenmaster | oh, and a beautiful 8-bit framebuffer |
| 03:07.22 | _Psycho | soop nope, not atm ;) too buggy hehe |
| 03:07.23 | sheenmaster | truly stunning |
| 03:07.27 | absentia | cg6 ? |
| 03:07.35 | _Psycho | i have to fix the launcher and the keyboard |
| 03:07.48 | _Psycho | and themy TS lib have an error |
| 03:07.59 | absentia | I never used my suns for graphics, but it was sad not being able to see more than 256 colors when browsing... |
| 03:08.14 | sheenmaster | absentia: I have a few, but they're all the same. It would cost me $6,000 and two processors to get 24-bit. |
| 03:08.26 | absentia | not worth it |
| 03:08.39 | sheenmaster | As soon as it gets here (less than two weeks), I'll be using it for development. |
| 03:08.56 | absentia | dev what ? |
| 03:09.17 | sheenmaster | Anything that can compile 8 copies of GCC in five minutes is worthy of my skills. |
| 03:09.20 | absentia | I use to dev on ultras.. when the first came out... |
| 03:09.22 | sheenmaster | Can't say, NDA with my client. |
| 03:09.31 | absentia | but pcs are faster these days -- unless you're doing pure sparc stuff |
| 03:09.34 | absentia | ah |
| 03:09.39 | absentia | ndas are overrated. |
| 03:09.44 | sheenmaster | I formed a software company in June, expecting to be rich by next June. |
| 03:09.50 | absentia | ya |
| 03:09.56 | absentia | I filed a patent for auctions on the internet |
| 03:10.00 | absentia | sued enron for 30 million |
| 03:10.05 | absentia | they filed chap 11 instead of payin |
| 03:10.13 | absentia | I always hope to be rich by next june |
| 03:10.17 | absentia | hasn't happened yet |
| 03:10.50 | sheenmaster | I'm thinking of patenting logic gates. |
| 03:11.17 | absentia | nice |
| 03:12.22 | sheenmaster | I'm not very optimistic about switching to Solaris. |
| 03:12.27 | sheenmaster | But Linux doesn't have FC-AL support. |
| 03:13.14 | sheenmaster | So I'll probably spend a month or so tracking down and installing, bitching all the time about how much more I could get done with apt-get on my side. |
| 03:13.24 | absentia | dunno |
| 03:13.34 | absentia | what does linux have to fiber? |
| 03:13.38 | absentia | we're thinking 'bout going to linux at work |
| 03:13.51 | absentia | from tru64 alphas and sun 3500... |
| 03:13.56 | sheenmaster | Linux has apt-get. |
| 03:14.17 | absentia | it's debian |
| 03:14.25 | absentia | what can you get with apt-get that you can't get for sun ? |
| 03:15.02 | sheenmaster | It's the speed at which I can get it. |
| 03:15.17 | sheenmaster | No hunting down packages, dependencies, etc. |
| 03:15.17 | absentia | but how often do you get ? |
| 03:15.24 | absentia | you know aobut sunfreeware.com ? |
| 03:15.34 | sheenmaster | On my laptop? Daily. |
| 03:15.47 | absentia | strange |
| 03:15.55 | sheenmaster | Debian/Sid |
| 03:16.08 | sheenmaster | I do upgrades whenever a new unstable version is released. |
| 03:16.39 | absentia | strange |
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| 03:22.53 | sheenmaster | how so? |
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| 03:25.18 | sheenmaster | New updates come up, with features that I need. |
| 03:25.20 | W8TVI | All work and now play makes Jack a dull boy. |
| 03:25.25 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 03:25.30 | W8TVI | All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. |
| 03:25.32 | W8TVI | lol |
| 03:26.18 | W8TVI | All play and no work makes Jack a poor boy. |
| 03:27.38 | sheenmaster | Work and play without calculus and French homework makes me a failing boy. |
| 03:28.07 | absentia | weee |
| 03:28.21 | absentia | chase wants me to deposit 4600 to increase my credit line... |
| 03:28.30 | omin0us | heh |
| 03:28.47 | omin0us | absentia: you find that thing yet on ipk's? |
| 03:28.58 | absentia | bills |
| 03:29.02 | treke|laptop | you could also give me 4600 |
| 03:29.19 | treke|laptop | I wont increas your credit line, but it's probably for the best |
| 03:29.44 | absentia | a friend of mine had a black amex... |
| 03:29.47 | _Psycho | 4600 would not be bad for my debt line =p |
| 03:29.47 | absentia | those are cool. |
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| 03:32.53 | absentia | I dunno, I think I'll do it |
| 03:33.13 | absentia | we're saving it as a joke |
| 03:33.17 | absentia | my wife got a check from chase too... |
| 03:33.21 | absentia | hers was for $4.00 |
| 03:33.23 | absentia | heheh |
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| 04:00.42 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:00.58 | ljp | oz work with corgi? |
| 04:01.10 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 04:01.18 | treke|laptop | dont you have a corgi? |
| 04:01.33 | ljp | we just got one in the office last week |
| 04:01.39 | ljp | whoch kernel? |
| 04:01.41 | treke|laptop | uhm |
| 04:01.51 | treke|laptop | you know that corgi is the c700 right? |
| 04:01.59 | _Psycho | ljp curious |
| 04:02.06 | _Psycho | you applied the keyboard patch on your image ? |
| 04:02.11 | _Psycho | i just did cause it was missing a lots of keys =p |
| 04:02.21 | ljp | oh. |
| 04:02.31 | ljp | I thought corgi was 5600 |
| 04:02.36 | treke|laptop | poodle is the 5600 |
| 04:02.44 | ljp | _psy: ya |
| 04:02.47 | ljp | ahh |
| 04:02.49 | _Psycho | k |
| 04:02.52 | ljp | eh hmm |
| 04:02.54 | _Psycho | just did |
| 04:03.01 | omin0us|away | i always forget which dog name i am, except collie |
| 04:03.02 | _Psycho | only the quicklauncher bug left for me i guess |
| 04:03.03 | ljp | does poodle work with oz? |
| 04:03.06 | omin0us|away | what is the 760? |
| 04:03.11 | treke|laptop | husky |
| 04:04.56 | ljp | no poodle yet, eh |
| 04:05.09 | treke|laptop | poodle is supported |
| 04:05.48 | _Psycho | someone know why quicklauncher always just launch the date/time thing ? :) |
| 04:06.21 | omin0us|away | i swear to got they added something in these new roms to keep it from working with internet connection sharing on my XP box |
| 04:06.31 | omin0us|away | it worked in 3.2 |
| 04:06.39 | omin0us|away | and now 3.3.5 won't do it |
| 04:06.42 | ljp | who is 'they'? |
| 04:06.45 | omin0us|away | or Sash's rom |
| 04:07.00 | omin0us|away | They isn't anyone because i know they didn't actually do that |
| 04:07.04 | omin0us|away | it just seems like it |
| 04:07.50 | _Psycho | ljp since your the TT god =p on the 1.54 stuff like todolist was symlink to -> quickexec, does that still work the same with the new thing ? todolist -> quicklauncher ? |
| 04:08.05 | _Psycho | or i have to remove all the symlink, they are handled differently ? |
| 04:13.47 | ljp | yes quicklauncher works the same, with respect to the symlinks |
| 04:14.06 | treke|laptop | can it launch the quickexec libraries? |
| 04:14.12 | _Psycho | thansk |
| 04:14.43 | _Psycho | then i dont get why quicklauncher always launch date/time ;) |
| 04:14.53 | _Psycho | well gonna work on the keyboard / ts fix first |
| 04:14.58 | _Psycho | hmm probaly tomorow =p |
| 04:16.46 | ljp | if your ts isnt working, then it might be thinking you are clickin on datetime |
| 04:16.52 | _Psycho | ts work fine |
| 04:17.10 | _Psycho | but i get error from ts_close i think its linked wrong or something |
| 04:17.26 | _Psycho | some program like opera return me error about undifined reference to ts_close |
| 04:17.44 | _Psycho | Thats a possibilty why the launcher could bug thought |
| 04:18.15 | _Psycho | i might just static link tslib into libqtwe |
| 04:18.18 | _Psycho | qte* |
| 04:19.57 | _Psycho | bah i found the problem |
| 04:20.44 | _Psycho | Every files in bin are updated, except that one (ql) |
| 04:20.57 | _Psycho | i wonder why the copy skipped it |
| 04:21.13 | _Psycho | anywya back to ts/keyboard |
| 04:21.20 | _Psycho | damn i wanted a working version for tomorow at work |
| 04:21.21 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 04:22.01 | _Psycho | Im also curious about treke question |
| 04:22.12 | _Psycho | <treke|laptop> can it launch the quickexec libraries? |
| 04:23.17 | ljp | doubt it |
| 04:24.01 | _Psycho | Hmm might try |
| 04:24.06 | ljp | thats really Sharps thing , quickexec |
| 04:24.18 | _Psycho | is not like Hancomstuff linked to quickexec and like use hamcon libraries |
| 04:24.22 | _Psycho | thats would be a good test isnt ? |
| 04:24.26 | _Psycho | ok i see |
| 04:24.28 | _Psycho | what you mean |
| 04:24.55 | _Psycho | Anyway, ill learned so much stuff these past 4 weeks compiling and recompiling |
| 04:25.21 | _Psycho | I check the buildroot and understand most of it now =p |
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| 04:29.21 | ljp | ibot: seen TimRiker |
| 04:29.22 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #pet, 7h 52m 18s ago, saying: 'ibot status'. |
| 04:32.23 | ljp | hmm |
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| 04:39.00 | absentia | re |
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| 04:45.25 | treke|laptop | ugh |
| 04:45.47 | treke|laptop | mickey needs to start posting questions to the opie-devel mailing list and not in the source |
| 04:46.12 | _Psycho | hehehe |
| 04:47.47 | absentia | ha |
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| 05:12.24 | treke|laptop | eventually the right function is going to get called |
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| 05:15.24 | treke|laptop | ok. This is getting even weirder. |
| 05:15.42 | treke|laptop | I'm calling the Zaurus ODevice's rotation() function |
| 05:15.52 | treke|laptop | when called from the init() function the right one gets called |
| 05:16.11 | treke|laptop | when I call it directly, the base class rotation() gets called |
| 05:23.16 | cyn | $this-> |
| 05:23.28 | cyn | screwy pointer somewhere or something |
| 05:27.24 | treke|laptop | someone said it might because the rotation() function isnt being declared as virtual |
| 05:27.56 | treke|laptop | if thats the problem, I might not be able to do this cleanly without breaking bc :) |
| 05:30.22 | Soopaman | hmm... |
| 05:30.41 | Soopaman | anyone know how to repair touchscreens? |
| 05:39.45 | cyn | I think the word you're looking for is 'replace' |
| 05:39.50 | cyn | :( |
| 05:41.05 | Soopaman | hmm.. 'cause i swapped a touch on my pda, but it is not being recognized yet |
| 05:41.25 | Soopaman | any ideas as to where i should start double checking? |
| 05:42.14 | W8TVI | Soopaman: make sure its ribbon cable is pluged in fully |
| 05:43.11 | ljp | there are ts utilities |
| 05:55.42 | Soopaman | k.. lemme open the device again |
| 05:58.02 | cyn | yeah ribbon cables can be a BITCH on those puppies |
| 05:58.10 | cyn | be very careful not to strip the circuit too |
| 05:58.16 | cyn | that stuff practically rubs off |
| 06:01.03 | Soopaman | k |
| 06:02.38 | absentia | ok |
| 06:05.56 | treke|laptop | ok. now mickey will leave me alone |
| 06:11.01 | treke|laptop | ljp: ping |
| 06:14.21 | Soopaman | does it matter if the touchscreen isn't stuck to the screen? |
| 06:14.55 | Soopaman | ie, the glue that binds it to the screen is worn |
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| 06:20.10 | ljp | pong |
| 06:20.50 | _Psycho | i hope this image will be better |
| 06:20.55 | _Psycho | i wanna go bed=p |
| 06:30.38 | ljp | hmm |
| 06:35.42 | ljp | treke: pong |
| 06:36.00 | treke|laptop | forgot what I was going to ask |
| 06:36.37 | ljp | ahh, ok. answer is no |
| 06:38.36 | Mellen | bk pull finger |
| 06:57.01 | ljp | bleh |
| 06:58.03 | treke|laptop | we should require md5sums on the card during the flash process |
| 07:01.15 | ljp | why? |
| 07:02.49 | treke|laptop | just an extra check to make sure people don't flash broken images |
| 07:04.44 | ljp | I think it should use the sums if they are there, otherwise just try |
| 07:06.14 | ljp | try to flash, that is |
| 07:08.00 | Soopaman | hmm. if the contacts are clean on my touchscreen , but the glue is off, would this cause my touchscreen film not to work? |
| 07:08.25 | ljp | dont know |
| 07:11.14 | treke|laptop | ok. I pinged sash for his kernel patch |
| 07:12.09 | ljp | what kernel patch? |
| 07:12.47 | treke|laptop | ljp: the one he uses for the X11 image |
| 07:13.16 | treke|laptop | he's using something along the lines of the w100fb modification I've been playing with |
| 07:13.43 | ljp | ahh |
| 07:13.48 | treke|laptop | he rotates the framebuffer by default so the performance hit comes in on pda mode instead of landscape mode |
| 07:14.10 | treke|laptop | btw, if you are looking for something to do, an applet to enable or disable on the fly rotation would be cool |
| 07:16.30 | ljp | actually, I am being lazy this afternoon |
| 07:16.43 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 07:16.57 | treke|laptop | oh well. I can worry about that tommorrow |
| 07:17.00 | treke|laptop | it wont be tough |
| 07:17.59 | ljp | hit myhead ysterday while swimming, and my neck is all kinked up |
| 07:18.23 | treke|laptop | eew |
| 07:18.31 | treke|laptop | I take it the party is over? |
| 07:19.32 | ljp | ya, its Monday, and about time to go home |
| 07:32.41 | Soopaman | boo |
| 07:32.54 | Soopaman | no ts for me :( |
| 08:02.49 | treke|laptop | cool. sash posted his patch |
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| 09:22.56 | treke|home | ok. I feel like an idiot |
| 09:23.13 | treke|home | I've had this lamp for two years now and I just figured out it had a second brightness setting |
| 09:24.52 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.09 | ljp | but you need a special light bulb too |
| 09:28.47 | treke|home | I have one |
| 09:28.59 | treke|home | I just never thought to turn the knob a second time |
| 09:29.04 | ljp | ahh |
| 09:29.28 | treke|home | the power outlet is controlled by a wall switch, so I never use the knob :) |
| 09:29.53 | treke|home | mickeyl_away: good morning |
| 09:49.58 | mickeyl | hey good morning treke |
| 09:50.03 | mickeyl | and congratulations. you did it :) |
| 09:50.08 | treke|home | hehe |
| 09:50.11 | mickeyl | can't wait to try :) |
| 09:50.16 | mickeyl | any issues yet? |
| 09:50.23 | treke|home | took all night. Got stuck on some stupid c++ thing |
| 09:50.31 | treke|home | other than probably breaking bc for libopie? :p |
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| 09:51.12 | mickeyl | treke: that's ok :) |
| 09:51.32 | mickeyl | anyway even |
| 09:51.48 | treke|home | Other wise it works well. Added a rotateDefault() QCOP call that rotates to whatever ODevice thinks is the preferred rotation |
| 09:52.26 | treke|home | on most devices it will go back to portrait mode. On C7x0 it will go to whatever is proper based on the hinge |
| 09:52.45 | treke|home | and clears the flip state so you dont get wierd rotations next time you hit the rotate icon :) |
| 09:52.54 | mickeyl | sweet. now why am i stuck in the office... wanna try that .) |
| 09:53.31 | treke|home | It checks a conf file for a disabled entry, we just need a little task bar applet to write that out |
| 09:54.02 | treke|home | and probably an option in the appearance settings app |
| 09:54.14 | mickeyl | yeah, that'd be nice |
| 09:54.26 | mickeyl | I take care about that |
| 09:59.40 | treke|home | if you want to build in buildroot, you need to adjust our packages/qte |
| 09:59.56 | treke|home | we are still building against the 2.3.4 patches to qt and not the 2.3.7 patch |
| 10:00.16 | treke|home | I'll fix it in the morning, i want to get my data restored onto my device and hit the sack |
| 10:01.44 | mickeyl | k sounds good. |
| 10:03.48 | treke|home | sash also released his kernel source |
| 10:03.59 | mickeyl | ah nice. cacko.biz ? |
| 10:04.01 | treke|home | slighly different from the japanese patch, so I'm picking through it |
| 10:04.08 | treke|home | it's on the ZUG forums |
| 10:04.10 | mickeyl | cool |
| 10:04.26 | treke|home | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=490 |
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| 10:49.35 | Mellen | hello |
| 11:00.11 | Mellen | Someone should add sed v4 as an requirement to compile oe-packages. |
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| 11:44.08 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 12:16.09 | Mellen | Nice. Didn't know I could edit the wiki. /me is learning new stuff every day. :) |
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| 12:26.49 | heatxsink | treke|home: that linux.cacko.biz site? which Z is that for? |
| 12:26.51 | heatxsink | do you know? |
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| 12:28.49 | mickeyl | treke: ping |
| 12:41.08 | JBernardo | mickeyl: you're here? |
| 12:41.15 | mickeyl | y |
| 12:41.45 | JBernardo | anyone else has complained of usermanager and oxygen not working on your 3.3.6pre0 release? |
| 12:42.06 | mickeyl | not that i know |
| 12:42.15 | mickeyl | check that libstdc++ is installed |
| 12:42.33 | mickeyl | but then again, aqpkg shouldn't work either without libstdc++ |
| 12:43.31 | JBernardo | it is, and all files seem to be on the right places... But quicklauncher is unable to create the app window for those two (and only those) |
| 12:43.48 | mithro | the gcc3 rom? |
| 12:43.57 | Bernardo | I have /root, /home and /opt on sd. Yes, the gcc3 rom |
| 12:44.03 | mithro | gcc2 stuff won't work on a gcc rom without my compat libs |
| 12:45.03 | mickeyl | Bernardo: hold on... i have a Z with 3.3.6pre0 right here. i'll check |
| 12:45.08 | Bernardo | those apps are suposedly gcc3 (from the opie base) |
| 12:45.11 | Bernardo | mickeyl: thanks |
| 12:45.33 | Bernardo | mithro: where can I get your libs? I'd like to have scummvm and zshopper working |
| 12:45.47 | mithro | www.mithis.com/zaurus/ipkgs/ |
| 12:49.59 | Bernardo | thanks, which should I use, only oz-compat_0.4? |
| 12:51.30 | mithro | yeah |
| 12:51.42 | Bernardo | thanks. |
| 12:53.12 | mithro | i need more testers |
| 12:53.33 | Bernardo | :) I see... |
| 12:53.46 | Bernardo | Well, I'm downloading it now, we'll see. |
| 12:54.44 | heatxsink | mithro: more testers? |
| 12:55.32 | mithro | heatxsink: of my compat modules |
| 12:55.55 | mithro | they allow 2.95 compiled stuff on 3.2/3.3 rom |
| 12:58.53 | Bernardo | mithro: it fails at postinst, claiming a missing /etc/init.d/quickexec |
| 12:59.10 | Bernardo | mine is at /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/quickexec |
| 13:15.15 | mithro | hrm |
| 13:15.15 | mithro | their should be a /etc/init.d/quickexec |
| 13:15.49 | mithro | Bernardo|lunch: can you do a "ipkg files oz-compat" |
| 13:29.31 | Bernardo|lunch | mithro: there is a /mnt/card/etc/init.d/quickexec |
| 13:29.46 | Bernardo|lunch | I normally install to sd |
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| 13:34.57 | mithro | why did ipkg-link not do the linking? |
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| 14:06.06 | Bernardo | mithro: that was before ipkg-link, during "ipkg add oz-compat... -d sd" |
| 14:07.16 | Bernardo | and I've created a link between /mnt/card/etc/init.d/quickexec and /etc/init.d/, and it installed. After I ran "ipkg-link add oz-compat", rebooted, but I still can't get zshopper or zipsc to work |
| 14:13.34 | Bernardo | # Shopper |
| 14:13.34 | Bernardo | Shopper: relocation error: Shopper: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 14:13.44 | Bernardo | oops, he left |
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| 15:10.40 | Bernardo | hi mickeyl, did you check oxygen and usermanager? |
| 15:10.41 | mickeyl | Bernardo: grrr... our net has been reconfigured for a presentation tomorrow. can't test now - will do when i'm home later today |
| 15:10.51 | Bernardo | ok, np |
| 15:11.17 | Bernardo | It's just that here is a holiday today, so it's one of the rare days I was able to connect to irc |
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| 16:09.38 | icefox-work | Hey, anyone know what commandline options qpe accepts for its vnc server? |
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| 16:21.49 | Disconnect | icefox-work: your best bet might be to read the source. (not because thats a good answer, but because its the only one :( ..) |
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| 16:37.28 | masticator | wussup watermelons. |
| 16:41.20 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin masticator treke|home mickeyl |
| 16:43.42 | mickeyl | hi chouimat |
| 16:44.38 | chouimat | mickeyl: thinking about getting a ps2 with the linux kit for xmas and getting opie on it |
| 16:46.15 | Disconnect | mickeyl: did you tag 3.3.5? (I thought you or treke had done so) bk pull didn't pick it up, wondering if its a bk bug |
| 16:46.17 | mickeyl | nice. that'd mean a new architecture for us |
| 16:46.39 | mickeyl | Disconnect: I thought I had... but then again, I did thousand things simulteanously and maybe it got lost |
| 16:46.40 | treke|home | cool. That's mips isnt it? |
| 16:46.45 | mickeyl | what was the command again? |
| 16:46.52 | chouimat | treke|home: yup |
| 16:46.53 | Disconnect | mickeyl: run 'bk tags' and it should show it. |
| 16:47.08 | mickeyl | uhm... atm. i don't have any buildroot trees |
| 16:47.19 | Disconnect | ah. what was the revision? I'll check bkweb |
| 16:47.38 | chouimat | treke|home: just read your last email on openzaurus* mailing list ;) |
| 16:48.01 | mickeyl | 1.1375.1.1 should be it |
| 16:49.39 | Disconnect | damnit. my tivo froze up. |
| 16:50.35 | Soopaman | heh |
| 16:50.38 | Soopaman | tivo's rule |
| 16:53.32 | Disconnect | mickeyl: ok according to bkweb its not tagged. so you can do 'bk tag -r1.1375.1.1 v3.3.5' and on the next push it'll add it in |
| 16:53.46 | mickeyl | ok, when I'm at home |
| 16:53.48 | mickeyl | no bk tree here |
| 16:53.52 | Disconnect | cool np. |
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| 17:03.16 | Disconnect | random side note. mtd is still doing a HEAD cvs checkout. |
| 17:04.05 | kergoth | blah. both internet and directv went down at home, guess the apartment complex had a cable connectivity issue |
| 17:04.52 | mickeyl | sucky |
| 17:05.43 | kergoth | yeah, my apartment is really boring without tv or internet |
| 17:05.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06.30 | Disconnect | heh |
| 17:07.03 | Disconnect | which gives me plenty of time to harrass kergoth ;) ;) and to poke at the release procedure doc until its worth submitting |
| 17:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: what news on the survey app? |
| 17:10.32 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: was sick yesterday ... drank too much saturday night ... I'm finishing a bug fix for a client and I'm back on it ... |
| 17:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: no worries, take your time |
| 17:12.27 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: will probably have it done by the weekend ... currently updating KDE to beta2 |
| 17:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: any problems so far? |
| 17:13.09 | chouimat | with the survey app or kde? |
| 17:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | survey app |
| 17:13.53 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: beside the need to have 2.95.2 ... no but I will try to make it 3.3(gcc and qt too) ready ... |
| 17:14.17 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I can toss it at a 3.3 complier too |
| 17:14.19 | CosmicPenguin | If that would help |
| 17:14.38 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: it's just fltk 1.0.11 that is not 3.3 ready ... |
| 17:15.15 | CosmicPenguin | But I love it so... :( |
| 17:15.31 | kergoth | arg, the bsd w/ advert clause is incompatible with lgpl and gpl due to the additional restrictions, correct? |
| 17:15.46 | chouimat | yup |
| 17:18.49 | kergoth | damnit |
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| 17:32.13 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 17:32.18 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:32.26 | kergoth | mickeyl: you know of any decent documentation on BPF? |
| 17:33.17 | mickeyl | bpf... bpf... berkeley packet filter? |
| 17:33.37 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:34.07 | mickeyl | ah. none that i know. the manual page is pretty detailed (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bpf) but other than that... |
| 17:34.11 | kergoth | playing with libpcap at the code level for the first time, need to capture only icmp echo replies with specific content |
| 17:34.15 | kergoth | thanks |
| 17:34.17 | kergoth | k |
| 17:34.23 | jdh41 | arg. fogot to rename ZImage file before flashing. hopefully it won't mind a 2.4.6 kernel with Oz 3.3.5 |
| 17:34.26 | treke | hmm. harlekin started on a new mail client? |
| 17:34.32 | treke | I hope he doesnt call it opie-mail3 |
| 17:34.37 | mickeyl | treke: hehe |
| 17:34.40 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:34.42 | kergoth | looks like it.. looks like its etpan based too eh |
| 17:34.43 | mickeyl | just plain "mail" |
| 17:34.54 | treke | cool. |
| 17:36.57 | mickeyl | anyone know of a compressed QDataStream ? |
| 17:38.44 | Disconnect | jdh41: it'll fail. but you've prolly found that out by now. |
| 17:38.48 | treke | hmmm. anaconda based debian isos |
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| 17:41.26 | chouimat | wtf? http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1498 |
| 17:42.57 | treke | mickeyl: The new mileage app on zsi is a mockery of qte |
| 17:43.07 | treke | the fricken thing renders in a 240x320 window |
| 17:43.14 | treke | in the upper left hand corner of the screen |
| 17:43.42 | jdh41 | Disconnect: it boots |
| 17:43.54 | jdh41 | it jsut doesn't like allowing me to access the CF card to right thre problem |
| 17:43.57 | treke | chouimat: if you think that is wierd... http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1478 |
| 17:44.03 | jdh41 | now to force my CF USB reader to work |
| 17:44.29 | chouimat | treke: wtf? |
| 17:44.39 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:45.10 | treke | mickeyl: I don't even know how they managed to make that happen. qte is damn hard to break that horribly |
| 17:46.34 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:46.45 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:47.23 | mickeyl | (those guys are using a weird gui layout anyway) |
| 17:47.45 | mickeyl | then again, we need a OLayout class as part of the bigscreen extension |
| 17:47.52 | chouimat | treke: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=941 <--- this one? |
| 17:47.54 | mickeyl | automatically tweaking spacing and margins |
| 17:48.05 | mickeyl | yeah |
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| 17:48.43 | chouimat | hmmm a very usefull app for me ... |
| 17:49.09 | mickeyl | no doubt useful |
| 17:49.18 | mickeyl | but could be improved... gui wise |
| 17:49.36 | chouimat | mickeyl: yah but since I don't have a car ... |
| 17:58.59 | treke | chouimat: count yourself lucky |
| 17:59.12 | treke | cars are grealy overratesd |
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| 18:04.15 | chouimat | treke: I know I managed to be 10 years without |
| 18:05.43 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:07.12 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
| 18:08.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: hm, you're familiar with pcap, right? I need to obtain as many packets as possible over a specific period.. it doesnt seem like pcap_dispatch or pcap_loop would easily facilitate ceasing what its doing when we reach the overall timeout point. would it be best to run the main loop myself, calling pcap_next()? |
| 18:08.42 | Disconnect | treke: try zradio on a c7x0 some time. 320x240 works. 640x480 and it draws 4 of the background images, then render in the top left one.. |
| 18:12.59 | treke | zradio? |
| 18:13.10 | treke | hehe |
| 18:13.35 | treke | xmms/qte does the same thing, but I can forgive xmms |
| 18:13.40 | treke | since it's a hack by desogn |
| 18:17.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: exactly. that's what I do. pcap_next is the way to use. I combine that with a select(pcap_fileno()) |
| 18:18.14 | kergoth | cool, thats what i figured |
| 18:18.29 | mickeyl | thankfully, later versions also can use nonblocking operations. so you can either use select or poll |
| 18:19.00 | mickeyl | (poll by calling pcap_next and receiving a 0) |
| 18:19.09 | kergoth | ah, thats cool |
| 18:19.41 | mickeyl | for Wellenreiter II I created a socket notifier and so I get notified if a new packet is available through the qt event loop |
| 18:19.56 | mickeyl | which is the most elegant for GUI applications |
| 18:20.01 | mickeyl | s/way/ |
| 18:20.03 | kergoth | I need to do something incredibly simple for work, in an lgpl lib, but my lack of familiarity with raw sockets+bpf and/or libpcap and libnet is slowing me down |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:21.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: maybe looking into libopie2/OPacketCapturer.cpp which encapsulates libpcap in a documented way can help. |
| 18:21.16 | kergoth | ah, not a bad idea |
| 18:21.38 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 18:55.23 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 18:55.36 | Twiun | how much does python+pyqt weigh when installed on a Z? |
| 18:56.43 | mickeyl | oh quite a bit |
| 18:57.00 | mickeyl | ~ 3 MB iirc |
| 18:57.11 | mickeyl | at least |
| 18:57.21 | mickeyl | depends on what additional modules you need |
| 18:57.39 | Twiun | ok :) |
| 18:57.52 | Twiun | just measuring how big I can allow the JVM to be |
| 18:57.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:57.58 | mickeyl | see http://vanille.de/projects/python |
| 18:58.06 | mickeyl | you can click on each package and see the installed size |
| 18:58.06 | Twiun | atm it'll weigh about 3mb as well |
| 18:58.19 | mickeyl | (a nice .spy script btw.) |
| 18:58.33 | chouimat | http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=D333BE79-44EE-407B-B960-BF1FA49CAE39 |
| 18:58.35 | Twiun | ok, ok, I'll see about installing mod_python :) |
| 18:58.45 | mickeyl | spyce is the bomb |
| 18:58.51 | mickeyl | easy like php but.... python :D |
| 19:00.00 | Twiun | :) |
| 19:01.37 | Twiun | would it make any sense to have .py files compressed in some way (something akin to jar files)? |
| 19:03.04 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:03.08 | mickeyl | python 2.3 can import out of zip files |
| 19:03.12 | mickeyl | :D |
| 19:03.23 | Twiun | cool are they called .pyz? |
| 19:03.32 | Twiun | I was looking at the pyqt contents |
| 19:03.36 | mickeyl | no, .zip) |
| 19:03.42 | Twiun | those are some *big* py files |
| 19:03.51 | mickeyl | i know |
| 19:03.59 | mickeyl | well, the .py files are small |
| 19:04.03 | mickeyl | the cmodules are big |
| 19:04.17 | mickeyl | but think about it - you need a wrapper function for nearly each API call |
| 19:04.21 | mickeyl | that's why they're so big |
| 19:04.32 | Twiun | ah yes, I was reading the wrong lines |
| 19:04.50 | Twiun | that's also the reason why qtawt is so small |
| 19:04.58 | Twiun | it's not a 1-1 mapping |
| 19:07.51 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickey@allanon.vanille.de |
| 19:07.51 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1383 enable to apply piro's patch through the config system |
| 19:09.42 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:09.47 | mickeyl | shouldn't zaurus.com be up again today? |
| 19:09.52 | kergoth | in theory |
| 19:10.01 | treke | hehe. So you noticed the config system couldnt enable that patch :p |
| 19:10.24 | mickeyl | treke: i had that in a tree that i wiped. |
| 19:10.33 | kergoth | piro's patch? |
| 19:10.45 | mickeyl | treke: no the enabling bits in kernel-common/config.in |
| 19:10.48 | mickeyl | s/treke/kergoth |
| 19:11.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: what do you use for packet creation generally? libnet? or something custom? |
| 19:11.08 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 19:11.15 | treke | kergoth: Some experimental stuff. 3 button touch screen, w100fb updates, buffering, looks like clock speed changes. |
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| 19:11.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: nothing yet. no package creation. but i looked through everything out there and... actually i wasn't satisfied with any of the network libraries. |
| 19:11.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: gotcha |
| 19:11.54 | kergoth | libnet feels hackish, and every fucking version is compatible with the rest |
| 19:11.58 | kergoth | but it works |
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| 19:12.06 | mickeyl | yeah - that's a bit scary |
| 19:12.07 | kergoth | treke: ah |
| 19:12.31 | kergoth | zcip requires libnet 1.0.x, doesnt work with libnet 1.1.x, doesnt work with libnet 0.0.x, we have all three in OE, and oemake builds all three |
| 19:12.32 | treke | buildroot is also updated to use the 860 patch now instead of the 750/760 patch |
| 19:12.35 | kergoth | talk about asking for trouble |
| 19:12.40 | treke | Been working fine on my husky |
| 19:12.55 | mickeyl | yeah, works fine - also on the shepherd |
| 19:12.57 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:13.08 | kergoth | anyone reviewed it piece by piece yet? |
| 19:13.17 | mickeyl | yea |
| 19:13.25 | mickeyl | basically three changes |
| 19:13.43 | mickeyl | some scary asm stuff in pxa.S |
| 19:13.45 | kergoth | 3 button touch screen doesnt belong in kernel space |
| 19:13.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:13.54 | treke | hehe. |
| 19:14.05 | mickeyl | and additions to power management and power button handling |
| 19:14.17 | treke | mickeyl: Any idea what that power button change is? |
| 19:14.40 | kergoth | the proper way to do it is in qte/opie declare a certain normally unused modifier to affect TS input |
| 19:14.44 | mickeyl | treke: i think it fixes our problems with on/off |
| 19:14.46 | treke | yeah let's rice it up |
| 19:14.49 | mickeyl | when operating the power button |
| 19:14.50 | kergoth | then in the kernel map, map what we want to that modif |
| 19:14.51 | treke | mickeyl: ok? cool. |
| 19:15.02 | treke | mickeyl: sash's patch also touches that |
| 19:15.30 | mickeyl | too much patches out there atm. |
| 19:15.35 | mickeyl | and I don't get most of it |
| 19:15.52 | treke | his is mostly the piro patch with some modifications that I'd like to get into oz |
| 19:16.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: have you thought about taking a 'packet' module/plugin library for both packet creation and decoding? |
| 19:16.20 | kergoth | would be nice to see something like libnet, but also with the ability to decode, and modular |
| 19:18.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes. i thought of that - however until recently there has not been a possibilty to send packets in monitor mode, so i wasn't interested in creation. someone has done it though and I'll definitly come up with something re. hijacking wireless mobile clients etc. |
| 19:19.11 | mickeyl | atm. the patch is only in the airjack driver |
| 19:19.19 | mickeyl | didn't get that to work with orinoco/spectrum cards yet |
| 19:19.26 | mickeyl | we'll see |
| 19:20.12 | mickeyl | If only the Ethereal folks would be interested in a generic packet API... |
| 19:20.13 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 19:23.30 | ljp | vfat symlinks?? |
| 19:25.00 | treke | umsdos fs |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | treke: heh, i just emailed asking why not use the existing umsdos |
| 19:25.58 | treke | who did you email |
| 19:25.58 | treke | ? |
| 19:26.03 | kergoth | the list |
| 19:26.08 | Twiun | I tried umsdos once... |
| 19:26.12 | treke | oh. I havent read the list recently |
| 19:26.25 | Twiun | mangled the whole CF filesystem |
| 19:26.41 | kergoth | some guy brought up some patch that uses .lnk files for symlink support in vfat in the kernel |
| 19:26.44 | kergoth | instead of just using umsdos |
| 19:26.50 | kergoth | thats odd, i used it on my z without trouble |
| 19:26.56 | treke | ick |
| 19:26.57 | Disconnect | kergoth: I run that patch on my laptop, works fine. |
| 19:27.25 | kergoth | well, it seems silly to reimplement something thats existed for years |
| 19:28.07 | Disconnect | lnk->symlink is way simpler (and works better) than umsdos. (afaik nobody actually uses umsdos. I seem to recall that didn't even build for a while in 2.4.) |
| 19:28.09 | Twiun | mickeyl: anything else you want on the server? (perl, php and python in there so far) |
| 19:28.30 | kergoth | Disconnect: builds fine now, but yeah, afaik its not even maintained in 2.6 |
| 19:30.16 | mickeyl | Twiun: mysql would be nice |
| 19:30.54 | mickeyl | treke: did you get the new kernel to build usb-storage modules? it doesn't build them for me |
| 19:31.03 | treke | builds fine. |
| 19:31.41 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:31.49 | mickeyl | treke: can you upload an ipk |
| 19:31.53 | treke | it's on I wonder if conber is ever going to release this mystery mail client he wrote |
| 19:31.59 | treke | mickeyl: I dont have any ipks for it |
| 19:32.07 | mickeyl | treke: hmm why not? buildroot should make them |
| 19:32.16 | treke | I dont think it did |
| 19:32.20 | treke | maybe I'm wrong |
| 19:32.34 | mickeyl | well - it doesn't here |
| 19:32.37 | mickeyl | that's why i asked |
| 19:32.47 | mickeyl | where are your modules from then? Ö:D |
| 19:33.01 | treke | I scp'd them out of the build tree |
| 19:33.17 | treke | it's the storage_fd module |
| 19:34.20 | mickeyl | does it have any dependencies other than usbdcore? |
| 19:34.37 | treke | I didnt see anything else |
| 19:35.49 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:35.52 | mickeyl | okay |
| 19:36.09 | treke | I'll look when I get a chance |
| 19:36.14 | mickeyl | it's here |
| 19:36.18 | mickeyl | it doesn't load though |
| 19:36.27 | mickeyl | ./lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/kernel/drivers/usb/device/storage_fd/storage_fd.o: init_module: Invalid argument |
| 19:36.41 | treke | I know |
| 19:36.58 | treke | It probably needs you to pass in the device to read |
| 19:37.06 | mickeyl | hmm odd |
| 19:37.08 | mickeyl | it's there in the config |
| 19:37.16 | mickeyl | well... passing it manually now... |
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| 19:37.54 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:38.03 | mickeyl | would need /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf from a c860 |
| 19:39.13 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok, mysql installed fine :) |
| 19:39.23 | mickeyl | Twiun: great. got moinmoin working yet? |
| 19:39.43 | Twiun | mickeyl: not yet :) |
| 19:40.05 | Twiun | mickeyl: this is just the test machine on vmware remember, I'm building up an inventory of what the production machine will have |
| 19:40.14 | mickeyl | aw right |
| 19:40.31 | Twiun | best do this on something other than my production server... |
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| 19:44.44 | pb_ | ljp: and you didn't do anything to stop them? |
| 19:45.34 | Disconnect | any docs on using buildroot? ('its in the faq' counts ;) ..) mostly just on building images |
| 19:45.35 | ljp | nope. I do understand why, though :) |
| 19:46.05 | treke | SPEAK |
| 19:46.15 | Disconnect | woof! |
| 19:46.25 | treke | sit corgi sit. |
| 19:47.34 | Disconnect | anyway. simple question - the 3.3.5-PXA_image config can just be copied to .config and built with 'make oldconfig;make' right? |
| 19:47.50 | Disconnect | (to get an initrd and zImage) |
| 19:49.22 | Bernardo | mickeyl: did you manage to check usermanager? |
| 19:51.50 | mickeyl | second.. |
| 19:52.15 | ljp | although, it is too bad it is _Texas_ Instruments and not Bahamas Instruments |
| 19:56.23 | mickeyl | Bernardo: you're right. something's up with that |
| 19:56.56 | Bernardo | usermanager and oxygen both show that behaviour. And I think usermanager already failed like that in 3.3.5 |
| 19:58.07 | Bernardo | in the meantime, the DEPENDS for mp3blaster seem to be incomplete in the oe buildroot. I have build ncurses, which seems to be the only dependency, and the configure fails looking for a libpthread or libpth |
| 20:01.49 | mickeyl | Bernardo: got it |
| 20:02.12 | mickeyl | Bernardo: build problems. both need stl but don't link to it. d'oh |
| 20:02.16 | omin0us | didn't someone say that the devnet was supposed to be back up today? |
| 20:02.33 | treke | it's still today for 12 more hours |
| 20:02.55 | omin0us | i know |
| 20:03.02 | Bernardo | mickeyl: that would explain it... Btw, how did you check, gdb? |
| 20:03.07 | omin0us | i was just wondering if that was true or not |
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| 20:03.22 | mickeyl | Bernardo: no - i checked via ldd on desktop and compared with ldd on arm |
| 20:03.31 | Disconnect | omin0us: zaurus.com at least |
| 20:03.37 | mickeyl | (I already had something like that in suspicion) |
| 20:03.41 | ljp | I have 18 hours of today left |
| 20:03.48 | omin0us | Disconnect: aren't you the admin |
| 20:04.04 | Disconnect | omin0us: um. how about no..? |
| 20:04.11 | omin0us | so zaurus.com will be back up. but not zaurus.com/dev |
| 20:04.13 | Disconnect | omin0us: aren't you? |
| 20:04.32 | omin0us | Disconnect: sorry, i can't remember who said they were, some guy in here |
| 20:04.37 | omin0us | thought mabey it was you |
| 20:04.38 | mickeyl | treke: just tried suspending and resuming 5 times with the hardware button. works :) |
| 20:04.41 | treke | cool |
| 20:05.00 | Bernardo | mickeyl: thanks. Now to check how to build the opie packages with oe |
| 20:05.11 | mickeyl | i hate it that we are revisions behind the sharp rom |
| 20:05.12 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 20:05.15 | mickeyl | always |
| 20:05.43 | mickeyl | and there are still undisclosed kernel patches, e.g. how come i can resume by pressing the "ok" button on a sharp rom and not on our rom? |
| 20:06.19 | Bernardo | mickeyl: with kernel 2.6.0 and oe buildroot, I think we will surpass the sharp rom |
| 20:06.39 | mickeyl | Bernardo: definitly. can't wait for that... *crossingFingers* that it will actually happen though |
| 20:06.43 | treke | hehe |
| 20:06.46 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 20:07.08 | mickeyl | eeek |
| 20:07.11 | mickeyl | my hands are dirty |
| 20:07.13 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 20:07.29 | Disconnect | mickeyl: afaik c7x0 has the same resume buttons on sharp and on OZ. (power and home) |
| 20:07.30 | Bernardo | treke: is it on the way to be buildable using the oe buildroot? |
| 20:07.39 | treke | Is what on it's way to being buildable? |
| 20:07.42 | treke | 2.6.0? |
| 20:07.44 | mickeyl | Disconnect: no, it was definitly "ok" on the SharpROM |
| 20:07.47 | Bernardo | kernel 2.6.0 |
| 20:07.50 | treke | no |
| 20:07.52 | mickeyl | Disconnect: and that doesn't work here on our ROM |
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| 20:07.56 | Bernardo | :( |
| 20:08.08 | mickeyl | Disconnect: sorry |
| 20:08.17 | treke | mickeyl: you sure it's not home? |
| 20:08.19 | Disconnect | mickeyl: on 7x0? strange. (home is labeled power on on mine) |
| 20:08.24 | treke | mickeyl: Home is the one labeled power on... |
| 20:08.28 | mickeyl | right right |
| 20:08.31 | mickeyl | too much work |
| 20:08.35 | mickeyl | i'm getting senile |
| 20:08.43 | Disconnect | lol |
| 20:09.40 | mickeyl | treke: can you upload your ipks of qte and libopie1 ? i want to try autorotation but don't want to build ;) |
| 20:09.50 | treke | wtf |
| 20:10.07 | treke | how can it not want to build... |
| 20:10.18 | mickeyl | no - "i" don't want to build |
| 20:10.20 | mickeyl | :) |
| 20:10.22 | Disconnect | btw I'd love to see autorotation, o->rotate and per-app rotation (with per-app taking precedence..) |
| 20:10.24 | treke | ah |
| 20:10.35 | treke | Disconnect: Feel free to implement it :) |
| 20:10.57 | mickeyl | yeah, please one rotation dimension more :D |
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| 20:11.04 | mickeyl | it's not complicated enough yet |
| 20:11.05 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:11.05 | treke | that would be unbelievably nasty to handle |
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| 20:11.22 | Disconnect | treke: afaik its just a matter of bringing per-app rotation back, right? (and adding it to the top of the 'what do we do to start this app' list..) |
| 20:12.05 | treke | Disconnect: you need to rotate the whole screen, and then unrotate it when the app exits |
| 20:12.17 | treke | or when you switch out of the app |
| 20:12.19 | Disconnect | treke: yah. oooh.. and when it switches out. |
| 20:12.21 | Disconnect | thats a mess. |
| 20:12.35 | treke | and you need to make sure you unrotate back to the proper mode |
| 20:12.42 | Disconnect | hrm. but to do a 'open in this rotation' wouldn't be hard (after that let the user deal with it ;) ..) |
| 20:12.59 | Disconnect | not "right" (with autorotation back and forth and around..) but it'd work. hrm. |
| 20:13.25 | Disconnect | I'll put it on my list of things to consider hacking on once I get through some of the other patches |
| 20:13.45 | treke | probably more sensible to not do it at all and just use the rotate applet than a half assed implemention |
| 20:14.23 | Disconnect | with autorotation (and the back buttons working) that'll solve my biggest use (opie-reader) |
| 20:15.38 | treke | mickey|dinner: http://home.treke.net/~ggilbert has the 3 ipks you need |
| 20:18.45 | treke | the keyboard is the last feature I'm really concerned about |
| 20:19.05 | treke | zooming would be nice in theory, but I don't see much need for it besides games |
| 20:19.19 | treke | which wont work well in portrait mode anyways |
| 20:19.28 | Disconnect | treke: you don't have a half-working keyboard ;) (actually, I don't know which Z you use, so that might be wrong.) |
| 20:19.32 | kergoth | keyboard is definately the main holdup at this point for every device (including collie 2.4.21) |
| 20:19.41 | kergoth | collie 2.4.21 relies on qte keymap support too |
| 20:19.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.44 | treke | Disconnect: Eh? |
| 20:20.07 | treke | Disconnect: I have a half working keyboard. Which is why I said "the keyboard is the last feature I'm really concerned about" :) |
| 20:20.10 | kergoth | i'll get the keyboard stuff done towards the end of this week, after my deadline & meetings |
| 20:20.16 | Disconnect | kergoth: no biggie. |
| 20:20.36 | kergoth | hmm, whats the preferred method of creating man pages? other than manually |
| 20:20.40 | treke | Though the keyboard in it's current state does do 99% of what I need, just some things that would be nice |
| 20:20.48 | treke | kergoth: copy the debian template? |
| 20:20.57 | kergoth | where's that at? |
| 20:21.04 | treke | hmmm. In debhelper, I think |
| 20:21.16 | kergoth | hmm, k |
| 20:21.27 | kergoth | thought about using tetex, but i've never used it, and dont have the time to learn |
| 20:21.48 | treke | You still have to write the text, but most of the basic formatting is there |
| 20:21.53 | gb2 | i didn't know tex could target roff stuff |
| 20:21.58 | treke | tex rocks |
| 20:22.08 | gb2 | treke: it'd be nice if it filled in the content for you ;) |
| 20:22.09 | kergoth | heh, can you make man pages with docbook? i like docbook |
| 20:22.17 | gb2 | kergoth: iirc, yes. |
| 20:22.18 | Disconnect | kergoth: there's some kde and gnome man page editor |
| 20:23.29 | Disconnect | gmanedit |
| 20:23.51 | kergoth | ah, will check that out |
| 20:24.10 | ljp | the easiest way to write man pages, is to get someone else to do it for you |
| 20:24.39 | ljp | thats how I wrote qmake man page :) |
| 20:24.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25.40 | kergoth | ljp: ti? or elsewhere? |
| 20:25.50 | ljp | ti |
| 20:25.52 | ljp | shhh |
| 20:26.10 | ljp | has to sell his house |
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| 20:58.09 | Twiun | rehi |
| 20:58.23 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 20:58.31 | Twiun | *another* one joining the ti ranks? |
| 20:58.38 | Twiun | what's the world coming to? |
| 20:58.45 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 20:59.01 | Twiun | kergoth: don't suppose TI do any embedded java, or have UK dev positions? :) |
| 21:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | Embedded... java? I know those words, but they make no sense together.... :) |
| 21:02.59 | ljp | its like TI is a big qtopia/opie developer vacuume |
| 21:09.02 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: hehe, and valid |
| 21:09.16 | Twiun | CosmicPenguin: most Java marked 'Embedded' is anything but |
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| 21:46.09 | sheenmaster | Does anyone know of a good place to wholesale order the Zaurus? |
| 21:46.17 | sheenmaster | Preferably SL-5500 |
| 21:46.27 | sheenmaster | At least a hundred units. |
| 21:47.11 | treke | call sharp. |
| 21:47.47 | ljp | what do you need 100 5000's for? |
| 21:47.52 | ljp | err 5500 |
| 21:48.15 | sheenmaster | Hardware/software bundle. |
| 21:48.57 | sheenmaster | I have the software done, but I need a Java pda to ship it with. |
| 21:49.21 | sheenmaster | s/done/written |
| 21:49.33 | ljp | ahh |
| 21:50.34 | sheenmaster | The PDA to be used must support Java, must be color (4-bit will work), and must cost less than $300 wholesale. |
| 21:51.03 | sheenmaster | The supplier that we were looking at is out of his mind, wanting $600 for 5600's. |
| 21:51.04 | ljp | I guess that rules out the 6000 with builtin wifi |
| 21:54.05 | heat | haha |
| 21:57.18 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 21:58.28 | ljp | hello |
| 22:03.53 | treke | whooops |
| 22:03.57 | treke | that is really stupid |
| 22:10.38 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 22:23.11 | sheenmaster | Does Jeode work with OZ on the ipaq? |
| 22:23.18 | treke | no |
| 22:23.29 | treke | there is no jeode for the ipaq |
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| 22:56.01 | CosmicPenguin | anyone played with the Ipaq 5500? |
| 22:56.04 | CosmicPenguin | Does TinyX work? |
| 22:57.15 | treke | CosmicPenguin: Opie does work, and I know there was work towards an accelerated driver |
| 22:57.17 | _Psycho | damn cacko.biz is sOOOO slow |
| 22:57.27 | _Psycho | i wanted to try the x11rom |
| 22:57.41 | CosmicPenguin | So the X server running on FB is a go? |
| 22:57.44 | _Psycho | damn russian isp =p |
| 22:57.58 | _Psycho | linux.cacko.biz |
| 22:58.00 | CosmicPenguin | treke: stupid comment |
| 22:58.01 | _Psycho | check yourself =p |
| 22:58.07 | CosmicPenguin | treke: ignore the idiot penguin |
| 22:58.21 | treke | CosmicPenguin: It might even have a better driver if kiethp ever got around to it |
| 22:59.10 | treke | CosmicPenguin: there are bootgpe images for it, so It must be a go. |
| 23:01.42 | pb_ | treke: I heard it was rude to point. |
| 23:02.18 | treke | maybe I'll poke |
| 23:02.28 | pb_ | pointing is fine. |
| 23:02.35 | treke | hehe |
| 23:04.05 | pb_ | tinyx does work on h5000, yes. The xserver-kdrive-fbdev in familiar unstable/0.7.2 is OK. |
| 23:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | sweet |
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| 23:04.24 | CosmicPenguin | How about the 5555? |
| 23:04.31 | pb_ | Yes, any 5000 series should be fine. |
| 23:04.34 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful |
| 23:04.57 | pb_ | We didn't get hardware-assisted rotation to work yet, unfortunately. The mediaq chip has some obscure restrictions that make that tricky. |
| 23:05.58 | treke | native is portrait, right? |
| 23:06.03 | pb_ | yup |
| 23:06.22 | treke | so it could be worse |
| 23:06.24 | pb_ | Not many people want to run in landscape, so I haven't been losing too much sleep over the rotation thing. |
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| 23:07.31 | treke | thats what I figured |
| 23:08.51 | chouimat | http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=19&WLBS=fsweb9&sku_id=0665000FS10035834&catid=&newdeptid=19# |
| 23:10.10 | _Psycho | what the #$$ wget command to only grab a directory with all the files (a feed) ? |
| 23:10.25 | mickeyl | -r |
| 23:11.02 | kergoth | -r -np -m is usually best |
| 23:11.07 | _Psycho | Ok |
| 23:11.09 | kergoth | np prevents it going upward (no parent) |
| 23:11.11 | _Psycho | i just saw the thing |
| 23:11.22 | _Psycho | i was wondering why it was starting with index.html there is no html in that dir |
| 23:11.29 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:11.40 | kergoth | generated. directory indexing. |
| 23:11.40 | _Psycho | and like index.html?M=A |
| 23:11.42 | _Psycho | and like index.html?S=A |
| 23:11.46 | _Psycho | Oh ok i see |
| 23:11.51 | _Psycho | anywya work fine now |
| 23:11.52 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 23:11.55 | kergoth | np |
| 23:13.07 | _Psycho | well i dont want to get subdirectory |
| 23:13.12 | _Psycho | suggestion ? :) |
| 23:13.19 | chouimat | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1406463,00.asp |
| 23:14.57 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:15.01 | mickeyl | no autorotation for me |
| 23:15.07 | mickeyl | it just sits there |
| 23:15.08 | pb_ | bad luck |
| 23:15.27 | mickeyl | treke: it's supposed to work without doing special magic or dance rain dances does it? |
| 23:16.01 | treke | it shouldnt need any magic raindance |
| 23:18.19 | treke | you updated all three packages? |
| 23:18.28 | mickeyl | i did a complete build |
| 23:18.36 | treke | you installed a new qte? |
| 23:18.41 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:18.45 | treke | it wont just update since the versions are the same |
| 23:18.56 | mickeyl | yeah that's clear. trying your packages now - maybe i did something wrong |
| 23:19.14 | mickeyl | btw., why opie-taskbar. what's new in there? |
| 23:19.26 | treke | the rotate applet is part of opie-taskbar |
| 23:19.47 | mickeyl | hmm you added something to the rotate applet? |
| 23:19.58 | treke | yeah. the rotate applet handles rotation |
| 23:20.00 | mickeyl | i didn't see it in the commit. sure you commited that? |
| 23:20.09 | mickeyl | (maybe the reason it doesn't work here) |
| 23:20.42 | treke | it's commited |
| 23:20.56 | treke | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/core/applets/rotateapplet/rotate.cpp |
| 23:21.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:23.22 | tux_mike | kergoth: i just installed irssi to the system |
| 23:23.38 | tux_mike | i'm gonna start using it, i need something better for channel logging |
| 23:24.25 | mickeyl | ahem |
| 23:24.29 | mickeyl | treke: that's gcc3, right? |
| 23:24.33 | treke | no |
| 23:24.34 | mickeyl | aaargh. |
| 23:24.38 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 23:25.10 | mickeyl | okay i give up for today. mine doesn't work and i can't use yours because it's gcc2 |
| 23:25.12 | mickeyl | shit happens. |
| 23:25.21 | masticator | wussup watermelons. |
| 23:25.28 | kergoth | hey masticator |
| 23:26.12 | masticator | the power company fixed my heat. yay! |
| 23:26.20 | chouimat | hey masticator |
| 23:26.23 | masticator | now I can go above 53 degrees in my house! |
| 23:26.50 | masticator | wussup chow. |
| 23:26.53 | chouimat | masticator: hehe ... but you didn't get -25C last week |
| 23:27.17 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:27.20 | chouimat | masticator: nothing much ... getting bored here ... need a new job ... embedded linux in eastern quebec sucks .... |
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| 23:28.20 | masticator | I hear Sharp is looking for a new developer support director |
| 23:28.21 | masticator | lol |
| 23:28.33 | kergoth | their idiocy boggles the mind |
| 23:28.34 | chouimat | masticator: hehe ... good pay? |
| 23:28.39 | masticator | well |
| 23:28.43 | masticator | yeah, I guess |
| 23:28.51 | masticator | it was my job |
| 23:29.02 | masticator | and it was spencer's |
| 23:29.55 | chouimat | masticator: but being alone and getting angry developer on me ... |
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| 23:32.26 | chouimat | wb masticator |
| 23:32.47 | Neo|Work | masticator: haven't seen you for some time (well probably more like I haven't been noticing you being here) |
| 23:32.52 | Neo|Work | what ar you up to these days |
| 23:32.52 | Neo|Work | ? |
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| 23:34.21 | _Psycho | Damn my new Qtopia image stay black |
| 23:34.22 | _Psycho | i hate that |
| 23:36.51 | _Psycho | nm it work after a format =p |
| 23:40.54 | _Psycho | damn still quite buggy, keyboard fixed thought |
| 23:43.30 | _Psycho | i have a question |
| 23:43.41 | _Psycho | its possible after a compile to merge 2 lib together ? |
| 23:43.53 | _Psycho | like including more lib into libqte ? |
| 23:43.59 | _Psycho | .so files |
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