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| 00:31.33 | W8TVI|lib | ibot, seen W8TVI |
| 00:31.36 | | w8tvi is currently on #opie (18h 36m 46s) #zaurus (18h 36m 46s) #openembedded (18h 36m 46s) #magnia (18h 36m 46s) #openzaurus (18h 36m 46s). Has said a total of 114 messages. Is idling for 6h 28m 29s |
| 00:34.22 | kergoth | ibot: webpal |
| 00:34.23 | | from memory, webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping!, or schematics are available from: http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/ |
| 00:34.57 | Twiun | re |
| 00:35.18 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 00:35.56 | Twiun | couldn't sleep ;) |
| 00:36.34 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:36.58 | Twiun | you what it's like when you've got this bug you can't seem to fix... |
| 00:37.20 | Twiun | it's like a scab you just have to pick at constantly |
| 00:38.11 | treke | then I realized the reason i couldnt reproduce the bug was that it was fixed two weeks ago. |
| 00:38.19 | Twiun | argh, those are bad |
| 00:38.42 | Twiun | mine's completely reproducible unfortunately |
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| 01:11.46 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 01:11.46 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.352 Add glibc-initial, and install glibc into cross_dir, for glibc toolchain builds. |
| 01:15.16 | Disconnect | kergoth: so I need to build gcc-initial, then gcc-cross? |
| 01:15.34 | Twiun | WOOOOOHOOOO! |
| 01:15.39 | Twiun | found the frigging bug |
| 01:15.40 | kergoth | order is: |
| 01:15.53 | kergoth | binutils, glibc-initial, gcc-initial-cross, glibc, gcc-cross |
| 01:16.45 | Disconnect | ok cool |
| 01:16.55 | Twiun | kergoth: found the bug that was preventing Swing from showing up in fbAWT... see if you can find the bug in this buffer copy code |
| 01:16.58 | Twiun | for(int i=x;i<xmax;i++) |
| 01:17.00 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.03 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.05 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.08 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.27 | kergoth | this is relatively foreign, but shouldnt you be calling getPixels against i & j? |
| 01:18.40 | Twiun | yup |
| 01:18.45 | Twiun | 7 frigging days |
| 01:18.50 | kergoth | hehe, i hate those |
| 01:18.51 | Disconnect | heh |
| 01:19.07 | Twiun | it just goes to show that staring at code 24/7 impairs your reasoning |
| 01:19.20 | Disconnect | yep. shoulda posted that a week ago and saved yourself some time ;) |
| 01:19.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:19.50 | Twiun | I didn't know that's where the problem was though |
| 01:20.02 | Twiun | I've got a good 18k lines it could have been in |
| 01:20.03 | Disconnect | well then we can't help you, can we? |
| 01:20.07 | Disconnect | don't paste that.. |
| 01:20.14 | Twiun | Haha, FIND ALL MY BUGS! |
| 01:20.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:20.42 | Twiun | no, but at least now Swing should be happening before end feb |
| 01:20.53 | Twiun | ready for fosdem |
| 01:21.31 | Twiun | ... might host a fbAWT/VNC server on Jason's box for that occasion |
| 01:21.37 | Twiun | give it some load |
| 01:22.31 | Disconnect | give it lots of load - post it to slashdot. ;) |
| 01:22.38 | Twiun | no slashdotting until this is ready for primetime :) |
| 01:22.53 | Disconnect | but how will you know w/o the slashdot acid test? |
| 01:23.10 | kergoth | damnit, i need polish for this cd |
| 01:23.43 | Twiun | Disconnect: there's really nothing to show to /. yet :) |
| 01:23.50 | Twiun | this thing's about 40% done |
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| 01:24.34 | Disconnect | kergoth: 7-11 might carry that sort of thing these days. if you are willing to pay $15 for it ;) (well.. its 7:30 there.. sounds like time for a trip to best buy or *mart or some such) |
| 01:27.42 | Disconnect | ugh. ipkg-build. |
| 01:28.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:28.59 | Disconnect | ugh. thats right. ipkg-utils won't build cuz distutils is only available in python 1.5... |
| 01:29.12 | Disconnect | (at least in deb) |
| 01:29.35 | kergoth | you're buliding a toolchain, just disable package_ipk for now |
| 01:29.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30.07 | Disconnect | ah here it is, its in python-dev .. how odd. |
| 01:31.25 | Disconnect | do I need to clean glibc-initial? |
| 01:32.39 | Twiun | Grrr... hate these projects that need the latest tools ;) |
| 01:32.41 | Twiun | automake, autoconf, libtool, m4 |
| 01:35.24 | Disconnect | could be worse. I'm dealing with this one mess, got two build systems, none of them work quite right, the releases don't match the.. oh. nevermind. ;) ;) :) ;) ;) |
| 01:37.49 | Twiun | buildroot's always worked fine for me :) |
| 01:38.49 | Disconnect | try building 3.3.5 with the official 3.x/2.95.x toolchains, using the default configs. (if that works, great.. then try it with the husky config..) |
| 01:40.53 | Twiun | ahh, no point you see, all I have is this 5000d :) |
| 01:41.20 | Twiun | and I don't even have that anymore as I've lent it to Opie's future GUI designer |
| 01:41.53 | Twiun | that's one of the reasons I'm concentrating on the Java dev |
| 01:43.14 | Disconnect | no need for a Z, it won't get far enough to install anything ;) |
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| 02:16.59 | Twiun | g'night |
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| 02:28.07 | chouimat | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031130210334574 |
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| 03:17.16 | treke|home | kergoth: ping |
| 03:17.55 | kergoth | treke|home: pong |
| 03:18.10 | ljp | pang |
| 03:18.32 | Disconnect | plop |
| 03:18.34 | treke|home | kergoth: hh.o is only applying rmk's patches to their 2.6 tree and not nico's pxa patch. You happen to know if the pxa patch is still relevant? |
| 03:18.51 | kergoth | they applied schurig's bkpxa patchset |
| 03:18.59 | kergoth | should have about everything they need |
| 03:19.16 | treke|home | ok. |
| 03:19.36 | treke|home | I figured hh.o had made a sane decision, just wanted to double check |
| 03:21.04 | ljp | hh.o is that a new module? |
| 03:21.13 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:27.47 | treke|home | labeled "pxa buzzer data" |
| 03:28.03 | ljp | sound |
| 03:29.49 | chouimat | hi treke|home ljp |
| 04:22.57 | CIA | repository=03packages user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 04:22.57 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.353 Remove unnecessary sets of the S variable, we have a sane default for that now. |
| 04:36.39 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:44.57 | treke|home | ok. Thats enough kernel crap for one night :) |
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| 06:35.22 | ljp | mickeyl: ping yet |
| 07:05.57 | W8TVI | ibot: seen W8TVI |
| 07:05.58 | | w8tvi is currently on #opie (1d 1h 11m 8s) #zaurus (1d 1h 11m 8s) #openembedded (1d 1h 11m 8s) #magnia (1d 1h 11m 8s) #openzaurus (1d 1h 11m 8s). Has said a total of 127 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 07:10.47 | W8TVI | kergoth: did Tim get yopy? |
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| 07:34.28 | treke|home | cool. There's a project that's working on reverse engineering the broadcom wireless drivers, and they seem to be making a bit of progress |
| 07:54.54 | cyn | conglomerate looks to be a neat editor but it also appears to be dog slow |
| 07:55.01 | cyn | s/editor/xml editor/ |
| 07:55.23 | cyn | entirely unrelated to oe/oz except we're lacking docs and I'm on a docbook trip |
| 07:55.42 | cyn | and when I say 'we' I say it like I do something, which is an utter lie but makes me feel good |
| 08:01.43 | Twiun | it's still true though |
| 08:01.56 | Twiun | what's conglomerate done in? gpl? |
| 08:02.01 | Twiun | oh, and g'morning btw |
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| 08:54.56 | treke|home | oops |
| 08:55.03 | treke|home | bent pin in the cf slot |
| 08:55.11 | treke|home | wonder how that got out of wack |
| 08:56.04 | Twiun | sticking your fingers in there again? |
| 08:56.25 | treke|home | nope :) |
| 08:56.36 | treke|home | all fixed now. |
| 08:56.37 | Twiun | must be the pin-goblin |
| 08:56.49 | treke|home | well not all fixed, but sufficiently fixed |
| 08:57.44 | ljp | hmm |
| 09:02.24 | treke|home | http://gpe.handhelds.org/albums/wip/port_6217.png |
| 09:06.43 | Twiun | nice :) |
| 09:06.50 | Twiun | still working on gpe I take it |
| 09:07.16 | treke|home | Not really. Just hoping to get a decent c760 gpe install :) |
| 09:11.47 | ljp | heh |
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| 09:55.57 | Barna | Anyone tried to run DOSBox (dosbox.sf.net) under the Zaurus? :-) |
| 09:57.41 | Twiun | I'm sure somebody has, have you looked on ZSI and searched the oz mail archives? |
| 10:09.48 | Barna | Where can I search through the mail archives? |
| 10:13.44 | Twiun | I'd use google ;) |
| 10:13.50 | Twiun | sf.net doesn't have search facilities |
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| 10:27.58 | Barna | I've found a compiled binary, but the creator of these said, it crashes without any message... at least on his Z5000D (http://www.htw-dresden.de/~s2028/Zaurus/dosbox_v0.58_ARM.gz) |
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| 11:08.43 | mickeyl | *ywan* |
| 11:08.55 | mickeyl | hey i'm even too tired to yawn correctly |
| 11:08.58 | mickeyl | morning, btw. |
| 11:09.32 | Twiun | hey mickeyl :) |
| 11:09.47 | Twiun | got something for ya: http://adorphuye.com/images/fbAWT.03dec03.png |
| 11:10.00 | Twiun | Swing on fbAWT... partially working :) |
| 11:16.33 | mickeyl | sweet! |
| 11:16.47 | Twiun | looks much better than my junk :) |
| 11:16.53 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:17.15 | Twiun | can't comment on speed yet though, input layer is completely foobar'd for Swing for some reason |
| 11:21.01 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 11:21.05 | mickeyl | definitly progressing though |
| 11:21.23 | Twiun | I'm aiming to finish before fosdem |
| 11:25.09 | ljp | mickeyl: are simpads still available? |
| 11:25.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: seen the ML Post from chicken with Intimate on his simpad? |
| 11:25.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: I just wonder how he gets hda and eth0 at the same time |
| 11:26.01 | mickeyl | cmartin: not hda |
| 11:26.03 | mickeyl | cmartin: nfs |
| 11:26.09 | mickeyl | with pivot_root |
| 11:26.17 | mickeyl | the installation is around 650MB |
| 11:26.23 | cmartin | hmm... in the screenshot i see hda and ide0 |
| 11:26.37 | mickeyl | ljp: only on ebay |
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| 11:27.02 | mickeyl | cmartin: ask him. he will later this day be on #opie.de |
| 11:27.10 | mickeyl | (like every day ;) |
| 11:27.16 | cmartin | k |
| 11:28.01 | ljp_ | there was a discussin of qtopia and tablets, and I mentioned opie on simpad, and one of the devs wants one |
| 11:31.05 | mickeyl | ljp: ah. sounds good. ebay seems your only choice though. the models are sold out everywhere |
| 11:32.09 | ljp_ | that is what I thought and thats what I told him :) |
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| 12:20.18 | Twiun | can't wait for the FUD to hit the fan |
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| 12:22.52 | ljp | fud fan |
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| 12:47.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: OT - python packages - maybe it's better to remove those packages from opensimpad.org and point people to your feed instead |
| 12:47.28 | cmartin | mickeyl: what do you think? |
| 12:48.23 | cmartin | mickeyl: it would minimize administration |
| 13:01.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes, definitly a good idea |
| 13:01.17 | mickeyl | vanille.de/feed/python |
| 13:01.24 | mickeyl | there's packages for both gcc2 and gcc3 |
| 13:01.42 | crazy-b | hmm whats the difference between the initial and non-initial builds? i guess whenever i see an initial, i have to oebuiold that first? |
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| 14:05.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:06.48 | crazy-b | hi chouimat |
| 14:08.02 | Twiun | howdy chouimat |
| 14:08.24 | chouimat | Twiun tired |
| 14:09.14 | Twiun | chouimat: me too, satisfying coding session though :) http://adorphuye.com/images/fbAWT.03dec03.png |
| 14:10.07 | chouimat | Twiun me it was a very very short night even if i slept 9 hours ,... |
| 14:10.46 | Twiun | after that success, my 5 hours sleep feels like 10 |
| 14:11.25 | chouimat | not for me ... brb need coffee |
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| 14:28.03 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:28.30 | mickeyl | is it possible to get the compiler version out of an arbitrary binary? |
| 14:32.04 | chouimat | mickeyl hi not sure ... and how is the 3.3.2 collie image? |
| 14:33.34 | mickeyl | "how" ? |
| 14:33.39 | mickeyl | it's great |
| 14:34.11 | mickeyl | gcc3 and newer pcmcia-cs seems to have cured the hotplug problems |
| 14:34.20 | mickeyl | however you have to live with 6 seconds suspend time |
| 14:34.30 | mickeyl | but i can live with that if it wakes up correctly :) |
| 14:39.21 | crazy-b | hmm. why is my custom oebuild not installing to the relative dir tmp/base/package-name/package-name but to / ?! i only used inherit autotools which did the job, but installs to a wrong dir ?! |
| 14:42.12 | crazy-b | aeh i mean it does not install to the "image" dir |
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| 14:45.18 | gb2 | mickey: gcc throws it into either the .note or .comment section |
| 14:45.26 | gb2 | mickey: but that's often stripped out |
| 14:45.49 | mickeyl | ah right |
| 14:46.09 | mickeyl | ipkg strips everything before packing |
| 14:46.18 | mickeyl | then it has to be done @ compile time |
| 14:46.28 | gb2 | what is it you're trying to do? |
| 14:47.05 | chouimat | mickeyl where is it ... and the apps are compiled with gcc 3.3.2 too? |
| 14:47.22 | mickeyl | gb2: certain things. first cosmetics: i want opie-sysinfo to show the gcc version number it has been compiled with. 2nd) i want our package manager to warn if you try to install a gcc2 program on a gcc3 system |
| 14:48.04 | mickeyl | chouimat: oz.org/official/experimental/mickey/collie-gcc3 - yes, the apps are compiled with 3.3.2 - in fact only the apps, because the kernel and the modules have to be compiled with gcc 2 thanks to embedix |
| 14:48.09 | gb2 | mickey: compiler used for the kernel is in /proc/version |
| 14:48.16 | mickeyl | (or thanks to gcc) |
| 14:48.30 | mickeyl | gb2: yeah, but that doesn't match the app |
| 14:48.36 | chouimat | mickeyl that sucks btw |
| 14:48.38 | gb2 | true |
| 14:49.03 | mickeyl | chouimat: i know... but even if the kernel would be compilable we had the problem with the sd-module ... |
| 14:49.25 | chouimat | ya |
| 14:49.59 | chouimat | ok I really need to finish this vpn thingy so I can ship it by the 12h10 bus ... |
| 14:51.02 | chouimat | mickeyl you seems to allways forget to put a feed.tar.bz2 :) |
| 14:51.54 | mickeyl | ah well... |
| 14:52.05 | mickeyl | this is a minor priority task |
| 14:52.13 | gb2 | mickey: gcc2 stuff should wokrk fine on a gcc3 system |
| 14:52.23 | mickeyl | gb2: we're talking about g++ here |
| 14:52.34 | gb2 | mickey: libstdc++ differs |
| 14:52.44 | mickeyl | everything c++ differs |
| 14:52.55 | chouimat | mickeyl and a major pain for me ... nm I will download them later ... and 2.6 test seems to handle my work load better than 2.4.20-22 |
| 14:53.11 | mickeyl | chouimat: well... what's so hard in doing "wget -r" ? |
| 14:53.21 | gb2 | mickey: i guess the application libraries differ |
| 14:53.40 | chouimat | mickeyl actually i think the problem is in front of the screen |
| 14:55.35 | gb2 | i thought there was some way around that issue |
| 14:55.36 | gb2 | hrm |
| 15:01.50 | gb2 | it ought to be possible to determine c++ ABI from the binary |
| 15:02.06 | gb2 | and it ought to be possible to do up compatibility libraries |
| 15:02.20 | gb2 | (which would take up space, sure) |
| 15:02.27 | gb2 | but would allow the user to run both ABIs |
| 15:02.30 | mickeyl | mithro was working on it |
| 15:02.39 | mickeyl | i don't know the status of those libs |
| 15:02.44 | Twiun | mithro got them to work afaik |
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| 15:03.25 | chouimat | hi TimRiker |
| 15:03.55 | chouimat | mickeyl what is opie-doctab? |
| 15:04.14 | gb2 | i'm thinking on the problem of supporting both uclibc and glibc built stuff as well |
| 15:05.01 | chouimat | http://www.askmen.com/jokes/index.html |
| 15:07.20 | mickeyl | chouimat: first time wizard app to disable the doc tab |
| 15:07.29 | chouimat | ok |
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| 16:06.30 | bipolar | >0.o< |
| 16:09.43 | mickeyl | ? |
| 16:11.10 | bipolar | you mickeyl |
| 16:11.22 | bipolar | just making faces at everyone :p |
| 16:11.30 | mickeyl | aah |
| 16:11.35 | mickeyl | your normal behaviour |
| 16:11.35 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:11.41 | bipolar | woot! new multisync released! |
| 16:11.49 | bipolar | now syncs palm too! |
| 16:12.04 | bipolar | and ldap... nice |
| 16:12.39 | mewyn | multisync? |
| 16:13.00 | bipolar | mewyn: multisync.sf.net |
| 16:13.59 | bipolar | now I just have to wait for the debian packager to get it uploaded. :) |
| 16:14.17 | mewyn | do you think i could make it sync with isync? |
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| 16:14.50 | mewyn | it does ldap, so that would sync the contacts |
| 16:15.36 | bipolar | yes. |
| 16:15.50 | bipolar | not sure about isync |
| 16:15.58 | bipolar | iapp = mac? |
| 16:16.03 | mewyn | yes |
| 16:16.07 | bipolar | hmmm |
| 16:16.25 | bipolar | if it did ical, that would work. Then it could sync kde calendar too. |
| 16:18.02 | mewyn | isync uses syncml |
| 16:19.50 | bipolar | mewyn: oh! |
| 16:20.01 | bipolar | mewyn: there you go then. multisync does syncml |
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| 16:25.49 | bipolar | now if only opengroupware would get it's syncml plugin working I'd be all set. |
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| 16:31.55 | gb2 | mickeyl: oh. did you try readelf -V on a binary? |
| 16:32.19 | gb2 | that may tell you enough info about whether a file is gcc3 or gcc2 abi |
| 16:32.34 | tiptone | anybody know how long www.zaurus.com has been down ? |
| 16:33.38 | mickeyl | gb2: good idea, trying that - thanks |
| 16:33.50 | mickeyl | tiptone: since spencer left... since monday |
| 16:35.16 | Twiun | tiptone: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=463 |
| 16:38.13 | tiptone | Twiun: thanks, i never check the ZUG site, wish i would have knows docs.zaurus.com was going down... |
| 16:38.26 | Twiun | tiptone: I never do either ;) |
| 16:38.34 | Twiun | tiptone: found out this link today |
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| 16:44.33 | Twiun | can usb2.0 cdrw drives be powered entirely by usb or does that not have enough power? |
| 16:47.20 | dan2003 | definatly not enough power, unless u plan on burning at very low sppeds, then it might be possible |
| 16:47.36 | dan2003 | but i doubt any cdrw has been designerd to ork like this |
| 16:48.13 | gb2 | fog% readelf -V test |
| 16:48.14 | gb2 | ... |
| 16:48.17 | gb2 | Version needs section '.gnu.version_r' contains 2 entries: |
| 16:48.32 | gb2 | ... |
| 16:48.33 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.33 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.33 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.53 | Twiun | dan2003: actually, I don't think I'd do burning on usb power... it's mostly the cdr and dvdr playback |
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| 16:49.05 | gb2 | so it is properly listing the ABI for libraries in gcc3 |
| 16:49.26 | gb2 | gcc296 compiled version doesn't have versioned library deps there. |
| 16:49.33 | dan2003 | i doubt thats possible either, i dont think the burning part requires taht much more power than reading |
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| 16:59.02 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 17:31.45 | treke | kergoth: Very coold deal. That w100 patch has been updated to handle all rotations |
| 17:32.26 | bipolar | kergoth is awake? |
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| 18:00.28 | mickeyl | treke: apropos rotation patch... |
| 18:00.34 | mickeyl | will this ever come to opie ? |
| 18:00.48 | treke | No. |
| 18:00.52 | treke | it isnt an opie patch |
| 18:01.00 | mickeyl | since when? |
| 18:01.05 | mickeyl | you always talked about patching opie |
| 18:01.12 | treke | It's never been one. This is a kernel patch |
| 18:01.20 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 18:01.42 | mickeyl | i'm talking about autorotation on c7x0 |
| 18:01.59 | treke | It adds support to the w100fb driver to handle rotation at the kernel level instead of faking it through qte |
| 18:02.08 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 18:02.13 | mickeyl | sounds scary... |
| 18:02.18 | mickeyl | but cool |
| 18:02.36 | mickeyl | hmm - that would be the solution to my directfb problems |
| 18:02.48 | treke | what directfb problems? |
| 18:02.51 | mickeyl | directfb doesn't handle rotated fb |
| 18:03.03 | mickeyl | so everything is rotated |
| 18:03.10 | mickeyl | and i planned to use that for a bootmenu |
| 18:03.23 | treke | http://www.piro.hopto.org/~piro/zaurus/linux-c750-20031124-2.patch.bz2 |
| 18:03.33 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 18:03.38 | mickeyl | that would definitly improve qte speed a lot |
| 18:03.45 | mickeyl | did you test it yet? |
| 18:03.52 | treke | Mallum is testing it |
| 18:03.56 | mickeyl | great |
| 18:04.01 | mickeyl | crossing fingers |
| 18:04.05 | treke | mickeyl: In theory it would improve performance for landscape mode |
| 18:04.11 | treke | not portrait though |
| 18:04.36 | kergoth | obviously it wont affect qte as much as it does X.. qte handles rotation far far more sanely |
| 18:04.38 | mickeyl | yeah. but then again, landscape is the one that matters when you want to use the keyboard |
| 18:04.39 | W8TVI | was there a netsplit about an hour or so ago? |
| 18:04.41 | treke | yeah |
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| 18:05.00 | treke | qte does a really good job. X was slow as hell. |
| 18:05.13 | mickeyl | how can i trigger rotation from userspace? |
| 18:05.16 | mickeyl | (with that patch) |
| 18:05.19 | treke | mickeyl: fbset |
| 18:05.25 | mickeyl | aah |
| 18:05.29 | mickeyl | nice |
| 18:05.31 | treke | head has a qcop call |
| 18:05.57 | treke | mickeyl: It would probably break horribly still since the ts would suddently be in a different orientation |
| 18:06.45 | chouimat | re |
| 18:07.03 | mickeyl | treke: yeah. that has to be synchronized with odevice |
| 18:07.12 | mickeyl | or rather qte |
| 18:07.14 | kergoth | i was going to fix that, but its annoying having to modify both tslib and qte, so i figured i'd just finish writing libtscal and get the calib algo out of qte entirely |
| 18:07.15 | mickeyl | or both |
| 18:07.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: sounds like a sane plan |
| 18:07.51 | treke | Well mallum says the proc entry isnt working in an obvious manner |
| 18:07.59 | kergoth | now if only i could find the time to do so.. |
| 18:07.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:11.34 | chouimat | arrrggg gusb-storage sucks |
| 18:14.02 | mickeyl | treke: who did that patch? |
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| 18:19.27 | mickeyl | hmm... there are loads of patches in this directory |
| 18:19.36 | mickeyl | i wonder which ones would be useful for us |
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| 18:26.46 | treke | fun. Our phones just magically decided to die |
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| 18:27.05 | gb2 | how appropriate. |
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| 18:28.30 | treke | yeah. I'm blaming the alarm guys since they are the only ones in the phone room :) |
| 18:29.03 | treke | but it was wierd. Every card just magically stopped working simultaneously. |
| 18:30.37 | gb2 | our phone system did that a few weeks ago |
| 18:30.44 | Pendalar | and in the distance you hear "welcome back mr. anderson" |
| 18:31.02 | treke | so I turned it off and turned it back on and everything is flowers and puppy dogs again |
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| 18:43.12 | dan2003 | glibc built but i dont have ipkg-build, where can i get this? |
| 18:43.39 | dan2003 | thinking about it it must be in buildroot |
| 18:51.15 | treke | ok. all the non w100fb or lcd buffering code is stripped out of this patch |
| 18:52.51 | kergoth | dan2003: ipkg-utils-native |
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| 18:54.51 | dan2003 | i cant get glib to build, fails configuring with a similar problem to what i had the other day but not th same |
| 18:55.10 | dan2003 | checking for extra flags to get ANSI library prototypes... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 18:55.10 | dan2003 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed |
| 18:55.32 | kergoth | sounds like you havent build autoconf-native, automake-native, and libtool-cross. |
| 18:55.35 | kergoth | s/build/built/ |
| 18:56.05 | dan2003 | ok, i havent so need to do em first, is there a list somewhere of the orderin which to build things? |
| 18:56.10 | kergoth | oebuild showdata path/to/what/you/want/to/build.oe|grep ^DEPENDS |
| 18:56.20 | dan2003 | ok, that will do |
| 18:56.31 | kergoth | can you confirm the use of showdata is in the wiki? |
| 18:56.37 | kergoth | need to get all this stuff documented |
| 18:56.46 | kergoth | showdata dumps all the package metadata, both variables and functions |
| 18:57.57 | dan2003 | im not sure what u mean by confirm the use of is in the wiki |
| 18:58.02 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:58.14 | kergoth | NOTE: if you wnat to know what order to build shit in, use showdata |
| 18:58.17 | kergoth | what did you just ask me? |
| 18:58.19 | kergoth | WRITE IT DOWN |
| 18:58.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:59.56 | kergoth | ugh, i so need caffeine |
| 19:00.01 | dan2003 | showdata isnt mentioned on the getting started page |
| 19:00.09 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:00.13 | dan2003 | but a methid to check depneds is |
| 19:00.21 | kergoth | what method? |
| 19:00.31 | dan2003 | i either missed it the other day, didnt get it at the time, or its been added since |
| 19:00.52 | dan2003 | grep ^DEPENDS pkg_dir/*.oe to find those dependencies. |
| 19:00.58 | kergoth | thats incorrect |
| 19:01.06 | kergoth | depends come from more than just the .oe |
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| 19:01.12 | kergoth | autoconf-native, etc come in via autotools.oeclass |
| 19:01.13 | chouimat | mickeyl ping |
| 19:01.18 | dan2003 | ok |
| 19:01.19 | kergoth | libtool-cross comes from libtool.oeclass |
| 19:01.19 | kergoth | etc |
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| 19:01.27 | kergoth | can you replace that with a call to oebuild showdata? |
| 19:01.29 | kergoth | in the wiki |
| 19:01.31 | dan2003 | ill use the what u mentioned above :) |
| 19:02.05 | mickeyl | chouimat: pong |
| 19:02.08 | treke | hmmm. 860s for 590. |
| 19:02.16 | treke | That's better than brando. |
| 19:02.22 | chouimat | mickeyl the 3.3.2 image rocks |
| 19:02.41 | mickeyl | chouimat: :D |
| 19:02.55 | mickeyl | yeah, it's pretty fast |
| 19:03.06 | Pendalar | treke where? |
| 19:03.13 | treke | mickeyl: what toolchain did you get |
| 19:03.14 | treke | ? |
| 19:03.21 | mickeyl | treke: handhelds.org 3.3.2 |
| 19:03.24 | treke | Pendalar: just closed the window |
| 19:03.27 | chouimat | mickeyl about 50% faster |
| 19:03.27 | Pendalar | I assume that's without shipping and what not? |
| 19:03.39 | treke | mickeyl: Make sure you distribute a copy of libstdc++ |
| 19:03.40 | Pendalar | that's why god put the History area in most browsers |
| 19:03.54 | mickeyl | treke: already in the image |
| 19:03.59 | mickeyl | treke: and in an ipk |
| 19:04.00 | treke | cool |
| 19:04.07 | treke | I just had a tarball of it for my image :) |
| 19:04.21 | treke | you have free time to test a gcc 2 build? |
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| 19:04.33 | mickeyl | treke: for c7x0 ? |
| 19:04.35 | treke | yeah |
| 19:04.46 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, why not. where ? |
| 19:04.53 | treke | lemme post it |
| 19:05.02 | treke | I did it on sunday, just havent had a chance to reflash |
| 19:05.05 | gb2 | kergoth: i was thinking of sprinkling in a few sanity tests into the glibc and uclibc toolchains so improper builds fail fast rather than either failing later, or succeeding and building nonsense. |
| 19:05.16 | gb2 | any objections to that? |
| 19:05.22 | treke | Pendalar: http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=743 |
| 19:05.23 | mickeyl | treke: oh and please take a look at kernel-h3600 in the buildroot. it fails but i have no idea why. since it's your package, maybe you have an idea |
| 19:05.26 | treke | it's in that thread |
| 19:05.26 | kergoth | gb2: hmm, doesnt sound like a bad idea.. what sort of checks? |
| 19:05.34 | mickeyl | gb2: sounds good |
| 19:05.39 | gb2 | kergoth: uclibc actually targeting uclibc |
| 19:05.50 | gb2 | similar with the glibc ones |
| 19:06.12 | treke | Pendalar: Apparently 590 is including shipping |
| 19:06.26 | treke | Which would make it a really really good deal. |
| 19:07.32 | gb2 | just some quick checks on the target stuff. like: if TARGET_SYS contains uclibc fail for a glibc gcc toolchain |
| 19:07.33 | gb2 | and similar |
| 19:07.58 | kergoth | gb2: thats pretty hackish |
| 19:08.01 | Pendalar | treke and includes the export taxes? |
| 19:08.08 | kergoth | i mean, what if i build one of other libcs? |
| 19:08.21 | treke | Pendalar: Nope. |
| 19:08.42 | gb2 | kergoth: that's fine. |
| 19:08.48 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:08.56 | Pendalar | hm so $630ish in the end I'd guess |
| 19:08.57 | gb2 | hrm. |
| 19:08.58 | kergoth | my point is, C libraries other than uclibc and glibc will still stomp all over one another |
| 19:09.01 | kergoth | do we hardcode them all |
| 19:09.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:09.09 | treke | Pendalar: The import taxes tend to be luck. I paid none for my c760 |
| 19:09.09 | kergoth | the proper solution is already in the TODO |
| 19:09.19 | gb2 | kergoth: my idea is you don't let it build the other libc |
| 19:09.27 | chouimat | mickeyl I'm quite pleased with the speed ... I don't need to get a new zaurus or ipaq based on the 400mhz xscale ;) |
| 19:09.28 | kergoth | split staging by package, with symlinks for PROVIDEs |
| 19:09.39 | Pendalar | heh whether it was smuggeled or fedex'd? heh |
| 19:09.42 | treke | chouimat: the screen is the nice part :) |
| 19:09.46 | treke | Pendalar: FedEx. |
| 19:09.47 | kergoth | then if i depend on virtual/libc, that dir's include and lib paths get added to my flags |
| 19:09.52 | Pendalar | weird.. |
| 19:09.53 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: not to mention that the xscale dma sucks rocks |
| 19:09.54 | treke | Pendalar: It went through customs, there just wasnt any charge. |
| 19:09.55 | kergoth | which only ever points at the top satisfier |
| 19:09.56 | gb2 | kergoth: hrm. |
| 19:09.58 | Disconnect | Pendalar: I paid nothing in duties. someone ended up paying $15 or some such. |
| 19:10.13 | Pendalar | I wonder how it's random |
| 19:10.17 | gb2 | kergoth: there are still a few nonsensical builds. |
| 19:10.22 | treke | They probably don't check every package. |
| 19:10.25 | Pendalar | I guess dependant on whether than can prove it's to be resold or not or something |
| 19:10.29 | Disconnect | Pendalar: depends on what crates it ends up in |
| 19:10.30 | kergoth | gb2: ? |
| 19:10.39 | gb2 | kergoth: target is uclibc, and you attempt to build the glibc based cross compiler. |
| 19:10.56 | gb2 | or viceversa |
| 19:11.06 | Pendalar | is there some decent way to have the same outcome near every time? |
| 19:11.19 | kergoth | gb2: the glibc based gcc will depend on glibc and on down |
| 19:11.28 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin don't know ... I just shipped a vpn solution ... and I have some time off now |
| 19:11.38 | kergoth | oh, i see what you mean.. splitting staging wont split cross_dir |
| 19:11.46 | gb2 | that too. |
| 19:11.53 | treke | probably no legal way of doing it :) |
| 19:12.06 | kergoth | because the staging split will keep everything happy in that area |
| 19:12.10 | Pendalar | legal is choice |
| 19:12.11 | kergoth | nobody will link against the wrong libs |
| 19:12.20 | treke | Pendalar: Just seems to be luck of the draw. I know people who have gotten hit every time they've imported and others who have never been hit |
| 19:12.20 | gb2 | kergoth: i'm very close to having split cross_dir working |
| 19:12.21 | kergoth | but cross_dir, not sure how one could solve that elegantly |
| 19:12.25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:12.30 | gb2 | relatively elegantly too |
| 19:12.41 | gb2 | kergoth: i386-uclibc-linux vs. i386-linux |
| 19:12.46 | gb2 | is the current thing i'm doing |
| 19:13.01 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 19:13.07 | kergoth | theres no way for that to work if it tries to build both |
| 19:13.24 | kergoth | we only have one binutils build.. |
| 19:13.28 | kergoth | guess if we had a second one we'd be fine |
| 19:13.35 | gb2 | yeah |
| 19:13.42 | kergoth | then all the u clibc chain .oe's alter TARGET_VENDOR |
| 19:13.45 | kergoth | thatll do |
| 19:13.51 | gb2 | we have 2 binutils builds right now |
| 19:13.57 | treke | arg. want to flash a kernel and I don't have a cf reader :( |
| 19:13.57 | andreas__ | hi. does anybody know how i can use the irda interface on my simpad to make a connection to my laptop? |
| 19:14.10 | gb2 | kergoth: why should they alter it? |
| 19:14.14 | kergoth | andreas__: the same way you'd use an irda interface on any linux device to your laptop? |
| 19:14.24 | andreas__ | kergoth: and that is? |
| 19:14.25 | kergoth | gb2: hm? |
| 19:14.27 | treke | mickeyl: http://home.treke.net/~ggilbert/gcc2-3.3.5-husky |
| 19:14.35 | gb2 | kergoth: have the uclibc toolchain ones force target_vendor? |
| 19:14.43 | kergoth | gb2: the uclibc package at a minimum has to use the uclibc chain |
| 19:14.50 | andreas__ | kergoth: i tried irlan, ircomm, irnet, ircp and anything with ir in the beginning i can think of |
| 19:14.56 | kergoth | gb2: which implies a proper set of the target prefix/sys/vendor |
| 19:15.05 | kergoth | otherwise itll use i386-linux, default |
| 19:15.11 | gb2 | right |
| 19:15.21 | gb2 | my thought was fail to build the package if target_vendor != -uclibc |
| 19:15.27 | chouimat | yes! arm-linux-3.3.2-gcc |
| 19:15.30 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:15.31 | andreas__ | but no sucess. ircp doesn't get a connection, irlan doesn't transfer any data |
| 19:15.39 | kergoth | if we force vendor, it could build both chains in a single build run |
| 19:15.46 | kergoth | if your cross_dir split is in place anyway |
| 19:15.53 | gb2 | yeah, that's true |
| 19:16.03 | chouimat | kergoth and add the compiler version to the name ... |
| 19:16.06 | gb2 | kergoth: staging/target/ needs some rethinking. |
| 19:16.12 | kergoth | gb2: yep. |
| 19:16.21 | gb2 | chouimat: that's a little trickier, but that is also doable in this sort of setup |
| 19:16.21 | kergoth | i like the idea of splitting it up by package |
| 19:16.36 | kergoth | then i only ever get he libs *i* want |
| 19:16.37 | kergoth | fo rexample |
| 19:16.40 | gb2 | kergoth: staging/target/${toolchain}/... ? |
| 19:16.42 | kergoth | say oemake builds 4 versions of libnet |
| 19:16.44 | kergoth | i depend on the one i want |
| 19:16.52 | kergoth | and i dont get anything of the other versions |
| 19:16.56 | gb2 | where toolchain is the magic correct thing that's eluding me right now |
| 19:17.03 | gb2 | s/thing/name/ |
| 19:17.05 | kergoth | here, example |
| 19:17.08 | kergoth | ncurses 5.3 build |
| 19:17.11 | chouimat | gb2 I know but i have it's easier for maintenance and for using distcc and teambuilder too ... |
| 19:17.16 | kergoth | drops its libs in staging/target/ncurses-5.3-r0/lib |
| 19:17.24 | kergoth | and headers in staging/target/ncurses-5.3-r0/include |
| 19:17.32 | kergoth | and staging/target/ncurses-5.3 is a symlink there |
| 19:17.38 | kergoth | as is ncurses |
| 19:17.41 | chouimat | hmmm lacks of sleep == my english and french spelling sucks |
| 19:17.46 | kergoth | then i express dependency in bash |
| 19:17.53 | kergoth | DEPENDS = ncurses |
| 19:18.06 | gb2 | it populates CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS? |
| 19:18.15 | kergoth | adds -I${STAGING_DIR}/target/ncurses to the flags |
| 19:18.15 | kergoth | yup |
| 19:18.23 | kergoth | no package shared data overlap |
| 19:18.26 | kergoth | nobody stomps on anyone else |
| 19:18.29 | treke | plenty of sleep == my english spelling sucks |
| 19:18.32 | gb2 | how would you handle multiple toolchains? |
| 19:18.35 | gb2 | another subdir indirection? |
| 19:18.43 | kergoth | toolchains are no different wrt staging |
| 19:18.45 | gb2 | s/inderection// |
| 19:18.50 | gb2 | kergoth: libs are |
| 19:18.59 | gb2 | uclibc lib != glibc lib |
| 19:19.02 | kergoth | no they arent. the uclibc gcc package DEPENDS on uclibc, not glibc |
| 19:19.07 | gb2 | no no |
| 19:19.08 | kergoth | just dont depend on virtual/libc |
| 19:19.15 | chouimat | treke and you're native ... |
| 19:19.16 | gb2 | build shared ncurses |
| 19:19.16 | kergoth | depend on glibc or uclibc |
| 19:19.20 | gb2 | it'll depend on uclibc |
| 19:19.25 | gb2 | or glibc |
| 19:19.32 | treke | chouimat: My spelling isnt actually that bad when I pay attention. |
| 19:19.34 | kergoth | gb2: thats a multiple provides situation. |
| 19:19.39 | kergoth | no different than what we'll hit in oemake. |
| 19:19.40 | gb2 | hrm. |
| 19:19.42 | treke | chouimat: It's just irc/email/aim that it sucks in |
| 19:19.46 | kergoth | just need a way to specify which provider of virtual/libc i want |
| 19:19.56 | gb2 | kergoth: i see what you're meaning. |
| 19:19.57 | chouimat | treke my english spelling is better than my french ... |
| 19:20.14 | chouimat | anyone know if there is a port of busybox for FreeBSD? |
| 19:20.25 | gb2 | kergoth: so stage glibc into staging/target/glibc.../include and lib |
| 19:20.25 | gb2 | ? |
| 19:20.28 | treke | chouimat: With things like irc I just type the first thing that comes to mind whether it is correct or not :) |
| 19:20.33 | kergoth | gb2: yep |
| 19:20.36 | gb2 | ah. |
| 19:20.44 | kergoth | all PROVIDERS are linked |
| 19:20.49 | gb2 | right |
| 19:20.50 | kergoth | PN-PV, PN, and so on |
| 19:20.52 | gb2 | gotcha |
| 19:20.56 | kergoth | quite clean |
| 19:20.58 | kergoth | only prob i see is |
| 19:21.04 | kergoth | really fucking long commandlines due to all our -I's |
| 19:21.06 | gb2 | and if i get my crossdir stuff setup ok, that'll work right too. |
| 19:21.07 | kergoth | could hit length limits |
| 19:21.10 | kergoth | gb2: exactly |
| 19:21.16 | chouimat | treke on IM we usaly write something like : koi de 9? instead of Quoi de neuf .... |
| 19:21.24 | treke | hehe |
| 19:21.25 | Pendalar | treke: that would be about $546.84 direct from hightech-co.jp |
| 19:21.28 | Disconnect | hrm. irda sorta works. had to run irattach by hand, then it seems to be alive. |
| 19:21.37 | kergoth | it could build both toolchains in one pass, then immediately abort when it moves to actual 'virtual/libc' builds if it doesnt know who you prefer |
| 19:21.38 | Pendalar | so other than fluffed for shipping... that may or may not be good |
| 19:21.59 | treke | Pendalar: The post I saw was saying 590 with shipping. |
| 19:22.01 | gb2 | kergoth: right. |
| 19:22.03 | Pendalar | dependant on if you can get the unit shipped from .jp to .us for less than $35 |
| 19:22.08 | treke | That is a damn good price no matter how you cut it |
| 19:22.13 | andreas__ | Disconnect: what do i have to use on my laptop to get a connection? ircp? openobex? |
| 19:22.26 | kergoth | gb2: obviously this implies we need to move the interpackage digraph interaction into the OE core |
| 19:22.27 | gb2 | kergoth: i'm also working at figuring out what we need in the way of "compat" packages. |
| 19:22.30 | Pendalar | true I don't see how they can be making much profit on it |
| 19:22.32 | kergoth | gb2: along with multiple provides handling at that level |
| 19:22.37 | gb2 | kergoth: think mostly uclibc system, but you need to run a glibc app |
| 19:22.44 | gb2 | install the glibc-compat package |
| 19:22.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:22.50 | treke | Pendalar: The profit is in the price already |
| 19:22.55 | treke | Pendalar: Same as any other store. |
| 19:22.57 | kergoth | thatd be pretty cool if you could pull it off |
| 19:23.00 | Disconnect | yep and it beams.. |
| 19:23.06 | Disconnect | andreas__: I use irobex_palm3 |
| 19:23.07 | gb2 | redhat has been doing it for years with c++ stuff |
| 19:23.49 | treke | Pendalar: the biggest difference is that they are shipping out of the us, so there is some paperwork/more expensive shipping |
| 19:23.51 | kergoth | gb2: well, this is a bit more complex, what with needing a different ld-*.so and stuff, but yeah, still reaosnable |
| 19:23.54 | kergoth | thatd be very cool |
| 19:24.06 | gb2 | kergoth: that's not an issue, their namespaces don't overlap |
| 19:24.12 | kergoth | ah, good |
| 19:24.13 | gb2 | well. |
| 19:24.24 | treke | dynamism jacks up the price to 900 bucks because they do support/conversion, and probably pay more per device |
| 19:24.25 | gb2 | it becomes an issue if you want uclibc and glibc versions of say.. ncurses |
| 19:24.40 | kergoth | you know, i wish /usr/lib was as split and clean as my proposed staging breakdown |
| 19:24.43 | kergoth | ;) |
| 19:25.02 | treke | well that and they are greedy mofos |
| 19:25.17 | gb2 | kergoth: x86_64 and similar have this issue too |
| 19:25.18 | kergoth | gb2: hmm, indeed |
| 19:25.22 | gb2 | kergoth: you have a /lib and /lib64 |
| 19:25.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:25.38 | kergoth | so we may need a /usr/lib/uclibc/lib |
| 19:25.45 | kergoth | or glibc, depending on which is primary |
| 19:25.50 | gb2 | yeah. |
| 19:26.37 | gb2 | not too bad since they have different dynamic linkers .. |
| 19:26.44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:27.15 | treke | ~lart sourceforge for hiding email addresses in mail archives |
| 19:27.17 | kergoth | just think of how large shit gets if you need just one glibc build package.. glibc is such a monster |
| 19:27.21 | andreas__ | ok, my simpad says "found AP301" (ap301 is my laptop)... let's try if this obex stuff works |
| 19:27.42 | gb2 | it means you are defining a distinct "primary" though |
| 19:27.55 | kergoth | wouldnt have to, if we ditch /usr/lib/*.so entirely |
| 19:27.59 | gb2 | unless you do completely distinct namespaces |
| 19:28.02 | kergoth | in favor of /usr/lib/[clib]/lib |
| 19:28.03 | kergoth | right |
| 19:28.22 | gb2 | /usr/lib/${multilib}/... |
| 19:28.34 | gb2 | ;) |
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| 19:28.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:28.42 | kenb | hi kergoth |
| 19:28.46 | kergoth | hey kenb |
| 19:28.47 | kergoth | how goes? |
| 19:29.01 | kenb | not bad. I see 3.3.5 is out. Where's the kernel-source available? |
| 19:29.12 | kenb | OE bkbits or OZ bkbits? |
| 19:29.13 | gb2 | kergoth: supporting old gcc2 c++ stuff shouldn't be hard either |
| 19:29.18 | treke | apparently someone has a working broadcom driver for linux ppc, but I cant get his email addres to see what he did |
| 19:29.20 | kergoth | kenb: 3.3.x is buildroot, 3.5.x is OE based |
| 19:29.20 | kenb | Need to build new FreeS/WAN packages. |
| 19:29.27 | kenb | kergoth: okay, cool. |
| 19:29.45 | gb2 | kergoth: since gcc3 stuff has the proper CXXABI versioning, you can teach the dynamic linker to key on that |
| 19:29.56 | kenb | obot: oz buildroot |
| 19:29.58 | kergoth | hmm true |
| 19:30.00 | kenb | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 19:30.02 | | methinks oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 19:30.17 | andreas__ | Disconnect: irobex_palm3 says "Sorry, unable to connect!" |
| 19:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - builds go much faster when you only build the X server and libraries... :) |
| 19:31.45 | kenb | kergoth: anyone got thier hands on a 6000 yet? |
| 19:31.58 | kergoth | kenb: not that i know of |
| 19:32.19 | kenb | kergoth: k. That's what I'd like to target next ;) |
| 19:32.21 | Disconnect | andreas__: running as root, discovery/receive on on both sides, irattach on both sides? |
| 19:32.30 | kenb | kergoth: TI still being nice to you? |
| 19:32.31 | Disconnect | andreas__: if its not showing in /proc/net/irda/discovery, nothing will work |
| 19:33.07 | andreas__ | Disconnect: both devices "see" ech other in discovery |
| 19:33.14 | kergoth | kenb: yeah. portions are getting boring, but every job gets that wya |
| 19:33.25 | andreas__ | the simpad has receiving enabled |
| 19:33.26 | kenb | kergoth: beats Digi tech support, I'm sure =) |
| 19:34.00 | chouimat | kergoth 3.5.x is available? |
| 19:34.00 | Disconnect | andreas__: run irobex_palm3 on the receiver, then irobex_palm3 file on the sender |
| 19:34.06 | Disconnect | (in that order) |
| 19:34.26 | andreas__ | don't have it on the receiver... |
| 19:34.27 | kergoth | chouimat: no |
| 19:34.32 | kergoth | kenb: oh hell yes |
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| 19:35.16 | andreas__ | i thought the simpad hat some kind of file xfer app running, because i can enable a function called "receive files" |
| 19:35.44 | kergoth | *opie* has an irda applet, yes, but if you cant get irobex_palm3 working, opie wont. it just uses it |
| 19:36.46 | andreas__ | crap |
| 19:36.55 | kenb | back later. |
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| 19:37.10 | andreas__ | so this function doesn't do anything if i don't have irobex installed? |
| 19:37.44 | kergoth | last i checked you need the tools, yeah |
| 19:37.53 | kergoth | couldve changed since then, but i dont think so |
| 19:38.13 | Disconnect | as soon as I had the tools running (irattach, anyway) all the irda functions lit right up. |
| 19:38.31 | Pendalar | I've had no luck with IR/DA thus far |
| 19:38.43 | Pendalar | but that's what I get for having a old IR keyboard |
| 19:39.13 | Pendalar | finally found a qmode2 port for zaurus that's website hasn't crapped out.. might try again |
| 19:39.53 | gb2 | kergoth: would you be opposed to some selector for toolchain "naming" such that we have CROSS_DIR=${CROSS_DIR_PREFIX}/${TOOLCHAIN}/ |
| 19:39.57 | gb2 | or something similar |
| 19:40.04 | andreas__ | i'll give irlan another try |
| 19:40.14 | kergoth | gb2: hmm, why? |
| 19:40.41 | gb2 | kergoth: i keep going drastically back and forth on whether my toolchain coexisting is the right idea. |
| 19:40.57 | gb2 | i guess i'll keep thinking about it. |
| 19:41.03 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 19:41.26 | kergoth | i dunno, do we want to allow building gcc2 chains as well |
| 19:41.27 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:41.35 | kergoth | if so, we'll need some form of split for that alone |
| 19:41.44 | gb2 | the only reason i see them being useful is for building compat libraries |
| 19:41.51 | gb2 | and that could be an entirely self contained process |
| 19:42.06 | Pendalar | nah 3.3.2-1 or so is fine ;-) |
| 19:42.30 | kergoth | thats true. seperate metadata repos for the compat stuff? |
| 19:42.50 | gb2 | doesn't need to be |
| 19:42.54 | gb2 | compat-libs package |
| 19:42.57 | gb2 | or similar |
| 19:43.02 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:43.16 | gb2 | redhat has a compat-db package for example |
| 19:43.19 | kergoth | well, you'd obviously have to fuck with your path and make sure it doesnt add cross_dir |
| 19:43.30 | kergoth | unless compat-libs builds a local chain to work with |
| 19:43.33 | gb2 | sure. it's a big .oe |
| 19:43.39 | gb2 | it would |
| 19:43.59 | gb2 | it has the advantage of discouraging people from building it |
| 19:44.00 | gb2 | ;) |
| 19:44.02 | kergoth | k, thatd work |
| 19:46.23 | gb2 | kergoth: my method of doing multiple toolchains in the same space is entirely dependant on the TARGET_PREFIX being different for the two chains. |
| 19:46.34 | gb2 | it will work though once i do 1-2 more patches. |
| 19:47.10 | gb2 | which means vendor becomes less freeform and actually means something. |
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| 19:53.08 | gb2 | kergoth: and my concern is the user having gcc-cross and gcc-uclibc-cross both in the build queue with TARGET_VENDOR set to some value |
| 19:53.35 | treke | fun. We made the front page of the paper here in santa barbara |
| 19:53.41 | treke | and not for a good reason :) |
| 19:54.03 | W8TVI | hows that? |
| 19:54.10 | W8TVI | and who is "we" |
| 19:54.34 | treke | work. |
| 19:54.47 | W8TVI | ah |
| 19:58.07 | treke | An ex employee is saying records were falsified. |
| 20:00.02 | ljp | doh |
| 20:00.54 | ljp | its a frickin school - who cares |
| 20:03.12 | treke | no. I'm over 14, so michael isnt interested in me |
| 20:03.44 | Twiun | treke: so, when did you resign from that company? |
| 20:03.51 | treke | hehe |
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| 20:20.57 | andreas__ | hey i'm getting a ping reply from my simpad :) |
| 20:21.02 | Disconnect | cool |
| 20:21.10 | andreas__ | but it's 500ms :/ |
| 20:21.25 | Disconnect | sounds like irda to me... |
| 20:22.33 | Disconnect | now.. if you're on a nic or wlan or usbnet, that is prolly bad ;) |
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| 20:24.27 | andreas__ | better than nothing... but not much better |
| 20:25.19 | newbie | anyone know whats up with the zaurus devnet? seems to be dns changed or spenceers gone so its gone? |
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| 20:32.31 | newbie | anyone know whats up with the zaurus devnet? |
| 20:33.13 | ljp | ya, spencer isnt there anynmore |
| 20:33.36 | ljp | a bit ironic that it went down the day after his last day |
| 20:33.38 | newbie | i know what but did they take the dev site down because of that? |
| 20:33.47 | ljp | dunno |
| 20:34.16 | newbie | thats what i'm thinking too... it looks intensionally removed as the host is competely gone |
| 20:36.37 | ljp | I was in the middle of writting a post when it went down. try to submit and its been gone ever since |
| 20:37.49 | newbie | yeah... they just sabatoged the dev community and haven't publicly announced the 6000 in the us... looks like they may be pulling out for real |
| 20:38.59 | newbie | they had market, didn't market very good and looks like they may just drop it from the US now... just talking out of my ass but this could be it |
| 20:43.07 | ljp | wait till January for the 6000 |
| 20:50.25 | andreas__ | ok, now i've got problems when i try to make a scp connection from my laptop to the pad. scp says "libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", although the file is in /usr/lib |
| 20:50.38 | andreas__ | the other direction works (pad -> laptop) |
| 20:50.40 | kergoth | dead symlink? |
| 20:50.44 | kergoth | ls -l /usr/lib/libcrypto* |
| 20:50.47 | andreas__ | no symlink |
| 20:54.32 | W8TVI | kergoth: |
| 20:54.33 | W8TVI | <Disconnect> W8TVI: poke kergoth to req hostspace and bw from handhelds.. 12mbit straight to the backbone. actual on-call techs and admins. uptime.. actual, honest-to-god uptime.. |
| 20:54.37 | W8TVI | heh |
| 20:55.56 | ljp | do they have bk? |
| 20:56.07 | ljp | heh |
| 20:56.12 | W8TVI | for the OZ webpage |
| 20:56.13 | kergoth | ljp: he means for the web hosting |
| 20:56.15 | kergoth | not the repositories |
| 20:56.26 | kergoth | not a bad idea really |
| 20:57.07 | W8TVI | I was just complaining about the slow (even for dialup) connection the the website |
| 20:57.18 | W8TVI | its was reacting very slow |
| 20:57.38 | treke | who knows, maybe oe will be a good influence on them |
| 20:57.45 | kergoth | yeah, with rt on treke.net until hh.o can run it, and the rest on hh.o.. no more SF |
| 20:57.46 | W8TVI | heh |
| 20:58.21 | treke | kergoth: Point bugs.openzaurus.org at treke.net |
| 20:58.30 | kergoth | k |
| 20:58.31 | kergoth | bbiab |
| 20:58.34 | treke | or something of the sort, then you can just move it to hh.o once they are ready |
| 20:58.42 | ljp | ahhh |
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| 21:12.44 | treke | mickey|tv: ping |
| 21:17.52 | ljp | heh.. |
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| 21:18.11 | ljp | I'm going snorkeling at our christmas party |
| 21:18.37 | chouimat | ljp only -15C outside |
| 21:18.45 | ljp | haha |
| 21:18.59 | ljp | 22C here |
| 21:19.43 | W8TVI | 0C here |
| 21:20.06 | kergoth | 61F here |
| 21:20.36 | chouimat | kergoth it's better than here .... |
| 21:20.51 | kergoth | there's no way i'm ever moving back to MN |
| 21:20.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:21.04 | ljp | ha |
| 21:21.14 | ljp | likin' them cowgirls, eh? |
| 21:21.20 | kergoth | "sorry mom, HELL no" |
| 21:21.31 | ljp | ride 'em cowboy! woooo! |
| 21:21.43 | kergoth | heh, MN has some nice looking women as well, so more for the weather |
| 21:21.47 | ljp | ya, mines like that also |
| 21:21.51 | gb2 | it's in the 20s outside, brrr. |
| 21:21.58 | chouimat | hmmm i wonders what is today porn movie on pay tv |
| 21:22.02 | gb2 | feels really cold with the wind though |
| 21:22.26 | ljp | too bad its going to be rainy at our 3 day xmas party |
| 21:23.47 | ljp | oh well. they'd better have good stock of good rum |
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| 21:47.24 | kergoth | yo TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:48.44 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 21:48.55 | TheMasterMind1 | waiting for damn ups people |
| 21:48.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ditching SF. they're creating an 'oe' project on hh.o for us |
| 21:49.20 | TheMasterMind1 | supposed to get cf->ide adapters from prpp and a replacement lcd for my laptop |
| 21:49.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice |
| 21:49.42 | ljp | rain. hmmpft |
| 21:50.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you feel like making heavy modifs to the openzaurus.org codebase to make it less collie specific? |
| 21:50.16 | kergoth | noda's so damn busy nowadays |
| 21:50.27 | kergoth | maybe i should send out a call for help email with a list of shit we need done |
| 21:51.01 | ljp | what!? downplaying 5500?! |
| 21:51.08 | kergoth | ~fishslap ljp |
| 21:51.11 | | ACTION slaps ljp up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:51.33 | ljp | man, its raining buckets here |
| 21:51.36 | kergoth | i wnat openzaurus.org to just link to openembedded.org and pass along that its for the Z |
| 21:51.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: not really.. |
| 21:51.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i found my cf so i wanna do some kernel .21 stuff |
| 21:51.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: didnt think so, figured i'd ask tho |
| 21:51.58 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 21:52.12 | kergoth | you want to check into mickey|tired's reported suspend/resume flakiness? |
| 21:52.18 | kergoth | at least try to isolate it to a driver/subsystem |
| 21:52.21 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:53.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i'm reworking our image creation stuff |
| 21:53.42 | kergoth | it runs postinsts at creation time, and we modify the postinsts that we know will break in that context to just return a certain exit code |
| 21:53.55 | kergoth | oeinstall sees that, and adds it to /etc/default/reconfigure |
| 21:54.02 | kergoth | which is a list of packages to reconfigure at first boot on the device |
| 21:54.17 | TheMasterMind1 | oh sweet |
| 21:54.18 | kergoth | so itll only have to run like 2 or 3 postinsts at first boot, the rest will have been done alrady |
| 21:54.25 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 21:54.32 | kergoth | yea, should speed it up a bit |
| 21:54.35 | TheMasterMind1 | thats always been an issue |
| 21:54.42 | TheMasterMind1 | "a bit" |
| 21:54.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:54.50 | kergoth | yeah, we'vfe always known some scripts would work at image creation time.. |
| 21:54.58 | kergoth | like creating the rcX.d links.. i mean theres no reason not to do that now |
| 21:55.07 | TheMasterMind1 | we might not even need twuin's cool progress bar anymore |
| 21:55.32 | kergoth | doesnt matter much. wont be waiting for many packages |
| 21:55.37 | gb2 | very few scripts should need to be actually run on the device |
| 21:55.39 | kergoth | mainly the ssh keys is where you'll sit a while |
| 21:55.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:55.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:56.02 | mickey|tired | since we got rid of honoring the dependencies its pretty fast anyway |
| 21:56.12 | gb2 | heh, i'm remembering my cellphone generating an RSA keypair |
| 21:56.13 | mickey|tired | s/its/it's |
| 21:56.18 | gb2 | that took a while |
| 21:56.26 | kergoth | its still needless though, no reason to run shit we dont need to run |
| 21:56.32 | mickey|tired | sure |
| 21:56.35 | kergoth | in addition, this makes things happier for devices with a read only rootfs. |
| 21:56.41 | kergoth | more done at image creation time |
| 21:57.22 | kergoth | which was the main reason i did it |
| 21:57.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:57.31 | mickey|tired | hehe |
| 21:57.34 | mickey|tired | right |
| 21:59.21 | treke | kergoth, mickey|tired patch works. |
| 21:59.37 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:59.40 | mickey|tired | cool |
| 21:59.56 | kergoth | hrm hrm |
| 21:59.58 | mickey|tired | treke: notice any speed difference |
| 21:59.58 | mickey|tired | ? |
| 22:00.02 | kergoth | we should add xinetd to oe |
| 22:00.18 | treke | mickey|tired: Looks like it needs to be aptched into qte also :) |
| 22:00.26 | treke | kergoth: it's an ioctl now |
| 22:00.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:00.35 | mickey|tired | ok for me |
| 22:00.48 | kergoth | i was gonna say, fbset doesnt give you everything, only rez, not which direction |
| 22:00.49 | treke | mickey|tired: Its hard to tell because the touchscreen doesnt work :) |
| 22:01.01 | treke | kergoth: The old one used the res to determine direction |
| 22:01.07 | mickey|tired | :D |
| 22:01.09 | kergoth | treke: yeah, i know |
| 22:01.19 | kergoth | but theres 4 orientations, and oyu can only express two of them easily with fbset |
| 22:01.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01.48 | treke | mickey|tired: Basically we need to overload the rotation code to not do software rotation on c7x0, but emit the proper ioctl and look at the framebuffer properly |
| 22:01.57 | treke | ljp: Anyone at trolltech interested in doing this for us? |
| 22:02.09 | ljp | doing what? |
| 22:02.27 | treke | ljp: Making qte use hardware rotation |
| 22:02.52 | ljp | hmm |
| 22:03.11 | ljp | device specific? |
| 22:03.14 | treke | yes |
| 22:03.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:03.45 | ljp | TT doesnt have cubes, we have real offices.. most with windows |
| 22:04.04 | kergoth | bastard |
| 22:04.09 | ljp | :) |
| 22:04.18 | ljp | I can close my door if I want |
| 22:04.31 | gb2 | someone here just added a 4th wall to his cube |
| 22:04.41 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:04.41 | Disconnect | heh |
| 22:04.44 | gb2 | we had one sitting around after an area was reconfigured |
| 22:04.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: so do we if i close my eyes :) |
| 22:04.53 | gb2 | so he dragged it across the open wall |
| 22:04.58 | Disconnect | but its all good - I'm the only one in the office :) |
| 22:05.17 | Disconnect | (well.. 99% of the time anyway.. its me, a fax and a server room |
| 22:05.17 | ljp | any details about how the hardware rotates? |
| 22:05.18 | gb2 | i'm in a hardware lab with 3 other people |
| 22:06.41 | ljp | I dont even have to overheads lights on in my office |
| 22:06.45 | gb2 | where hardware lab == section of cubes with conductive carpet and some extra table space to pile crap on |
| 22:06.59 | ljp | although I do share the office now with John Ryland |
| 22:07.37 | ljp | hmm, I mean.. I can turn off the overhead lights |
| 22:07.59 | pb_ | so can I, though it gets rather dark when I do that. |
| 22:08.02 | kergoth | ljp: re hardware rotation, it asks the imageon to do it |
| 22:08.25 | Disconnect | wow I just totally exploded a travel mug of coffee. |
| 22:08.35 | ljp | oh. hmm. like. pleaseRotateThisYouBastard() |
| 22:08.40 | Disconnect | it looks like a mob hit, coffee in a spray pattern -everywhere-.. |
| 22:09.07 | kergoth | Disconnect: heh, howd you pull that off |
| 22:10.31 | Disconnect | kergoth: cracking knuckles I think. the seconds before it are kinda a blur ;) but I do have a clear memory of slipping and watching my arm rocket forward in a perfect backhand that sent coffee spraying 5' away before the mug landed (6" away) and started gurgling out onto the desk.. |
| 22:10.32 | treke | ljp: You send an ioctl and apply a kernel patch |
| 22:10.44 | Disconnect | got coffee -over- my Z but not a drop on it :) |
| 22:10.52 | Disconnect | (although the switch behind it may never be the same) |
| 22:10.57 | kergoth | doh |
| 22:10.59 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:11.50 | ljp | I doubt TT would want to do something like that if it involves a specific device and an additional kernel patch |
| 22:11.59 | Disconnect | the wall, the switch, the monitor for the 2k desktop, the usb hub, my keys.. ugh. |
| 22:12.06 | mickey|tired | treke: can you make a minimal example program how to use that patch and i'll take a look |
| 22:12.23 | treke | mickey|tired: I'm uploading it |
| 22:12.39 | mickey|tired | k |
| 22:12.57 | Disconnect | treke: cheat. do the example in tcl. its something like ioctl(open("/dev/fb"),12,"portrait") ;) |
| 22:13.18 | ljp | but hey. I can run it past those that decide |
| 22:13.52 | Disconnect | ioctl [ open "/dev/fb" ] 0x122 -param "clockwise" thats it.. |
| 22:14.28 | treke | http://treke.net/downloads/w100-rotate.diff |
| 22:14.51 | treke | http://treke.net/downloads/rotate.c |
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| 22:17.29 | ljp | hmm. looks easy enough |
| 22:18.31 | treke | the rotation part is easy. I just dont know what to do to the qte code to make it do that instead of doing the rotated drawing |
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| 22:18.48 | kergoth | i need to finish libtscal |
| 22:18.53 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:18.55 | kergoth | no fucking time |
| 22:18.58 | treke | while still doing whatever is needed for the ts |
| 22:18.58 | kergoth | and when i have time, i dont want to |
| 22:19.57 | kergoth | ljp: I have a dead simple tslib implementation, with ./configure integration (./configure -tslib) for qte that i did for TI here.. i'll ask, but maybe we can push it up to you guys |
| 22:19.57 | andreas__ | now scummvm is running on my simpad... but the thing is blocking the whole screen, how can i get to my keyboard to get through the copy protection? |
| 22:20.37 | ljp | that would be great. I know they wanted to implement tslib |
| 22:21.10 | ljp | you know the copyright requirements if the code is significant |
| 22:22.02 | ljp | treke: just change where the qcop call does rotation, maybe |
| 22:22.22 | kergoth | ljp: k. with disconnect's help, it looks like we've nearly completed the proper kernel keymap support for it as well. |
| 22:22.29 | kergoth | do you guys want that, or are you gonna implement it yourselves? |
| 22:22.41 | treke | cool. |
| 22:23.08 | ljp | I can run it past them. |
| 22:23.35 | ljp | I know warwick said they wanted to do both |
| 22:23.51 | kergoth | k, ask and let me know |
| 22:23.52 | ljp | only thing is the copyright has to be assigned to TT |
| 22:24.01 | ljp | so we can sell it |
| 22:24.14 | kergoth | well, i think portions of it came from X's kdrive |
| 22:24.22 | kergoth | but thats MIT license, you should be able to sell |
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| 22:24.30 | kergoth | the rest of it is my copyright, so i can do whatever |
| 22:24.56 | ljp | ok, just make sure the proper attributes to outside stuff is somewhere |
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| 22:25.23 | kergoth | k, i'll add a proper header |
| 22:31.22 | treke | ljp: The rotate.c code is mallum's, but I doubt the copyright will be a problem for a 5 line function that can only be written one way :) |
| 22:33.03 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: i dunno.. if sco somehow gets involved you never know |
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| 22:36.35 | W8TVI | ibot literal hancom |
| 22:36.37 | | hancom is <reply> try http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/files/Sl-5000d.zip |
| 22:36.51 | W8TVI | ibot no, hancom is <reply> try http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html |
| 22:36.52 | | okay, W8TVI |
| 22:37.00 | W8TVI | ibot hancom |
| 22:37.01 | | try http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html |
| 22:37.17 | chouimat | ljp ping |
| 22:40.21 | ljp | hey |
| 22:46.19 | icefox | or use the rippers |
| 22:46.21 | icefox | :) |
| 22:47.59 | W8TVI | icefox: you can just download the thing right from hancom and it works on both OZ and the sharp rom |
| 22:49.06 | icefox | cool |
| 22:50.24 | mickey|tired | treke: rotate.c handhelds both rotation & zoom ? |
| 22:51.08 | mickey|tired | seems so - and what's that fastsysclk 75Mhz and 100Mhz for? |
| 22:55.00 | treke | mickey|tired: yes |
| 22:55.05 | treke | dunno |
| 22:55.25 | mickey|tired | the patch needs some nice #defines instead of those hardcoded values though ;) |
| 22:55.36 | treke | I believe mallum just copied the sysctl options |
| 22:56.28 | mickey|tired | k |
| 22:57.37 | treke | ok. Benefits meeting |
| 23:13.41 | dan2003 | heh.. just spent all evening trying to figure out why wep wasnt worknh on my Z, turned out to be my access points firmware! heh |
| 23:14.01 | dan2003 | the really silly thing is it said it was up-to-date on its config page |
| 23:14.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:14.54 | dan2003 | so if any1 has a belkin 54 and wonders why wep isnt working |
| 23:15.17 | dan2003 | make sure u have firmware 2.00.01 |
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| 23:15.35 | kergoth | heh, want to submit an faq? |
| 23:15.53 | dan2003 | could do i supose, on the oz site? |
| 23:16.06 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:16.10 | dan2003 | ok, i will |
| 23:16.19 | kergoth | call it "why doesnt wep work with my belkin 54 access point" or something |
| 23:16.43 | dan2003 | ok |
| 23:20.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: the platform specific stuff also comes into play with things like base-files too |
| 23:21.25 | dan2003 | done |
| 23:21.39 | dan2003 | time for some sleep now! |
| 23:21.39 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 23:21.39 | W8TVI | dan2003: glad you said something about that... just remember to turn my wep back on |
| 23:21.50 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: basically, we need a better way to handle distribution specific policy |
| 23:22.04 | dan2003 | cya l8r |
| 23:22.06 | kergoth | e.g. debian-like vs redhat-like vs mylittleembeddeddevicewithmyownstructure |
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| 23:22.28 | kergoth | profiles work, just not using the gui |
| 23:22.34 | W8TVI | :( |
| 23:22.41 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: how tough would it be to define a sandbox for each platform type, and then change the OEs to look there for the files |
| 23:22.43 | kergoth | look online into how debian does mappings with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:22.57 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hmm, not very.. i was thinking something like that would be nice |
| 23:23.13 | W8TVI | it'd be kinda handy to have a launcher plugin like the srap rom |
| 23:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | like have the busybox OE check for platforms/${MACHINE}/busybox/defconfig |
| 23:23.15 | W8TVI | sharp |
| 23:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | But it would have to have a default fall back, of course |
| 23:23.30 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i'm thinking we create a FILESPATH |
| 23:23.39 | kergoth | colon seperated list of places to try |
| 23:23.44 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good idea |
| 23:23.48 | W8TVI | launcher wlan profile plugin |
| 23:24.04 | kergoth | first place it should look is relative to the .oe |
| 23:24.08 | kergoth | er no |
| 23:24.13 | kergoth | first is relative to your current build dir (TOPDIR) |
| 23:24.18 | kergoth | then platforms/ |
| 23:24.26 | kergoth | then the global relative tto the .oe location |
| 23:28.43 | CosmicPenguin | I think for something like base-files, you would have to have a completely different oe for each platform type |
| 23:29.00 | W8TVI | kergoth: do you know how the network profiles thing was implemented on the sharp rom? its it a plugin like in OZ our built into the launcher? |
| 23:29.08 | W8TVI | s/our/or |
| 23:29.16 | kergoth | sharp used the pcmcia-cs crap |
| 23:29.29 | kergoth | dunno if it was a plugin or not |
| 23:30.25 | W8TVI | what I'm getting at, is if its something easy to rip out of the sharp rom, and be most of the way there to a plugin for OZ :) |
| 23:30.30 | kergoth | no. |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | its already partially implemented for OZ |
| 23:30.46 | kergoth | using /etc/network/interfaces existing clean mechanisms |
| 23:30.53 | kergoth | just needs to get bugfixed |
| 23:31.59 | W8TVI | what about a launcher plugin along the idea of sharps? |
| 23:32.06 | kergoth | um |
| 23:32.12 | kergoth | oh, an *applet*? |
| 23:32.18 | W8TVI | sorry |
| 23:32.21 | W8TVI | yes |
| 23:32.48 | kergoth | dunno if anyone has started on one |
| 23:32.49 | W8TVI | kergoth: you know, one of those launcher thingys! :P |
| 23:32.54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:33.41 | W8TVI | seems to me, the best place to put it would be in the wireless applet |
| 23:34.30 | W8TVI | all I want is to be able to make some profiles in the network settings app and beable to change them from an applet on the launcher |
| 23:34.44 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:34.48 | W8TVI | get rid of that useless graph and put it there :) |
| 23:35.05 | kergoth | we should add ifupdown-roam support to networksettings |
| 23:35.10 | W8TVI | I happen to go use public aps some times |
| 23:35.15 | kergoth | it can automatically change mappings based on tons of stuff |
| 23:35.19 | kergoth | like what APs are nearby |
| 23:35.22 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:35.24 | kergoth | or if a gateway is pingable |
| 23:35.25 | W8TVI | that'd be cool |
| 23:36.14 | W8TVI | if the sees TCFW it switches to TCWF profile, but when it gets back home and sees my W8TVI ap it loads up my WEP profile |
| 23:36.29 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:36.53 | W8TVI | and also would would be good, is to have it so you can tie a profile to a certan AP's MAC |
| 23:37.08 | kergoth | ifupdown-roam can do that |
| 23:37.13 | kergoth | uses iwscan & friends |
| 23:37.17 | kergoth | to list nearby access points |
| 23:37.25 | W8TVI | I wish I could code |
| 23:37.31 | W8TVI | so I could help out |
| 23:37.35 | kergoth | learn |
| 23:37.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:37.57 | W8TVI | the little I know about "programing" is from mIRC's mircscript |
| 23:38.12 | W8TVI | at least I know how to use if-then-else |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | get a book on python |
| 23:38.40 | W8TVI | easy to learn? |
| 23:39.19 | kergoth | yup, quite |
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| 23:41.23 | W8TVI | I learned (at least basic) mirc script by ripping apart other peoples scripts and making htem better |
| 23:42.47 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 23:42.48 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.09 | chouimat | W8TVI I have the special edition of Meaning of life DVD here |
| 23:43.16 | kergoth | monty python rocks |
| 23:43.31 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:43.37 | chouimat | will probably get the holy grail or life of brian next week |
| 23:47.39 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:47.48 | kergoth | i just realized i havent listened to any music at all today |
| 23:47.49 | kergoth | eerie |
| 23:49.46 | ljp | ooooohhhh. thats an omen! |
| 23:53.24 | chouimat | kergoth get the new Dream Theater |
| 23:53.55 | kergoth | good? k |
| 23:54.09 | chouimat | kergoth excellent ... great coding music |
| 23:54.16 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:55.18 | chouimat | kergoth as about every kind of music if you're like it and are in the mood to listen to it :) |
| 23:55.26 | kergoth | well yeah |
| 23:55.38 | kergoth | i've been listening to a lot of Rasputina lately |
| 23:56.26 | chouimat | kergoth was listening to some classic influenced progressive metal lately |
| 23:57.58 | chouimat | mmmm spinach instead lettuce in a sandwich is good |
| 23:58.35 | kergoth | i need to find a local place that carries non mainstream tunes |
| 23:59.38 | chouimat | kergoth that's can be a problem ... but you can order via the web too and try hmv.ca (amazon now) but the price are in cad .... |
| 23:59.53 | kergoth | yeah thats true. |
