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| 00:46.09 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 00:46.09 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1391 reenable sharp_buz (for now) |
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| 01:28.30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:28.43 | kergoth | my final pass gcc build keeps failing. odd |
| 01:29.37 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 07:00.39 | W8TVI | ibot xmms-e |
| 07:00.41 | | you can get XMMS-E at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net Don't use the feed. Its borked. download the IPKs and then install them |
| 07:01.08 | W8TVI | ibot no, xmms-e is <reply> you can get XMMS-E at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net Don't use the feed. Its borked. download the IPKs and then install them. |
| 07:01.09 | | okay, W8TVI |
| 07:01.23 | W8TVI | Do'h |
| 07:01.38 | W8TVI | ibot no, xmms-e is <reply> You can get XMMS-E at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net Don't use the feed. Its borked. Download the IPKs and then install them. |
| 07:01.40 | | W8TVI: okay |
| 07:01.43 | W8TVI | better |
| 07:10.04 | mithro | ibot xmms-e |
| 07:10.08 | | You can get XMMS-E at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net Don't use the feed. Its borked. Download the IPKs and then install them. |
| 07:10.45 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:11.03 | mithro | how is that different to the first one? |
| 07:11.40 | W8TVI | fixed the caps |
| 07:11.45 | W8TVI | Fixed the caps |
| 07:12.05 | mithro | ahh okay :) |
| 07:49.34 | treke|home | that'll teach me to post an email on the run |
| 07:50.18 | treke|home | Forgot to add updater.sh, a kernel, and sent out the wrong url :p |
| 07:51.31 | treke|home | mithro--: btw, I put up a copy of libstdc++ for download. Havent tested it, but it should work |
| 07:54.15 | lpotter | heh |
| 07:54.18 | lpotter | _should_ |
| 07:54.26 | treke|home | damn. the osx toolchain directory is empty on handhelds.org |
| 07:54.54 | treke|home | lpotter: As in, I think just tarriing up libstdc++ and untarring it on the device would work, but I dont care enough to try :p |
| 07:55.01 | lpotter | thats because SCO ownz OS X |
| 07:57.48 | lpotter | what needs libstdc++? |
| 07:58.02 | treke|home | a bunch of opie stuff |
| 07:58.10 | lpotter | *sigh* |
| 07:58.13 | treke|home | mediaplayer, aqpkg, konq |
| 07:58.39 | treke|home | probably more |
| 07:58.54 | lpotter | thats silly |
| 07:59.11 | lpotter | mediaplayer? |
| 07:59.26 | lpotter | 1 or 2? |
| 07:59.46 | treke|home | 2 |
| 07:59.54 | treke|home | 1 might. not sure |
| 08:00.29 | lpotter | shouldnt |
| 08:02.00 | lpotter | ahh. ther eit is |
| 08:02.43 | lpotter | why would anyone use libstdc++ when they have qt already available |
| 08:03.06 | treke|home | because it's easy to use something in the standard c++ library? :p |
| 08:04.21 | lpotter | they could do it just as well in qt |
| 08:04.39 | lpotter | might as well include libgtk |
| 08:04.48 | treke|home | Then they wouldnt be using the standard facilities :) |
| 08:05.43 | lpotter | no. qt has may stdc++ workalikes |
| 08:06.12 | treke|home | So people should use the nonstandard qt constructs? |
| 08:07.59 | lpotter | why |
| 08:08.24 | lpotter | it adds yet another lib people have to install |
| 08:08.38 | lpotter | its redundant |
| 08:08.56 | treke|home | maybe qt is the redundant one |
| 08:09.04 | lpotter | heh.. |
| 08:09.20 | lpotter | not when you are developing apps for qtopia/opie that already uses qt |
| 08:09.22 | treke|home | if it's reimplementing features already provided for by the standard libraries |
| 08:16.46 | lpotter | its bad for you to eat and then go to sleep |
| 08:16.59 | treke|home | I ate a couple hours ago |
| 08:17.06 | treke|home | just took a while to drive home |
| 08:17.33 | lpotter | ahh. then your safe |
| 08:18.12 | lpotter | damn debians still down |
| 08:18.18 | treke|home | the restraunt was 90 miles away :p |
| 08:19.02 | lpotter | hmm. must have been an important date |
| 08:19.17 | treke|home | hehe. nah. |
| 08:19.38 | treke|home | just going out to dinner with my father. |
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| 08:38.08 | lpotter | jacko is a freak |
| 08:39.01 | treke|home | Finally we agree on something. |
| 08:39.09 | lpotter | heh |
| 08:39.20 | lpotter | what is wrong with that guy |
| 08:39.36 | treke|home | http://www.sbsheriff.org/jpg/pio/11200301.jpg |
| 08:39.44 | lpotter | is mug shot and desc says he weighs 120 lbs |
| 08:39.49 | treke|home | We are supposed to believe that is a black male :) |
| 08:41.03 | lpotter | only in California |
| 08:41.36 | lpotter | dont see any Australian black people turning themselves white |
| 08:44.59 | lpotter | jacko's afraid of little puny dogs cause they bite |
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| 14:10.31 | heatxsink | anyone awake? |
| 14:12.26 | Twiun | yup |
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| 14:20.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: found something really useful for skinning the new opie site |
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| 14:20.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: http://www.opensymphony.com/sitemesh/example-diagram.jsp |
| 14:21.08 | Twiun | mickeyl: best of all there's a php version :) |
| 14:21.34 | mickeyl | Twiun: looks interesting |
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| 14:22.29 | mickeyl | Twiun: by the way, I have a draft for the 1st oe/oz/opie newsletter out there. could you proof read and give some corrections/additions, please? |
| 14:22.58 | Twiun | mickeyl: sure, twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 14:23.25 | Twiun | I'll be testing php-mesh with a wiki, to see how it behaves |
| 14:24.21 | Twiun | mickeyl: it's also transparent - no changes to the core content is necessary, it behaves like the decorator design pattern |
| 14:24.27 | mickeyl | underway |
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| 14:25.32 | mickeyl | sounds good. i've always been after anything where I can reuse the content without doing major reformatting and stuff only because of changing the design and layout of a site |
| 14:25.55 | mickeyl | i thought CSS are a good thing for that, but I'm not sure if they're sufficient |
| 14:29.21 | Twiun | it depends on the content |
| 14:29.37 | Twiun | I don't think we need all that much in terms of frills really |
| 14:29.55 | Twiun | oh, btw, going to fosdem? |
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| 14:31.34 | mickeyl | probably not. we have a deadline end of february to get continued fundings for our research project |
| 14:33.30 | Twiun | oh well... if the reason's money ;) |
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| 14:34.02 | Twiun | so far, got some guys from GCJ, Kaffe, GNU Classpath, seeing who else is going |
| 14:34.44 | Twiun | Also seeing if I can take some people I know from London |
| 14:34.59 | Twiun | and the associated ladies (they can visit brussels) |
| 14:44.28 | pb_ | is fosdem in february again? |
| 14:44.29 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok, got it, I'll read it after lunch |
| 14:44.40 | Twiun | pb_: yup, weekend of the 21/22nd |
| 14:44.49 | pb_ | aha. I'll make a note in my diary. |
| 14:45.06 | Twiun | Great :) Another person to meet in the flesh |
| 14:45.32 | pb_ | heh, indeed. Is it in the same place as last year? |
| 14:46.01 | Twiun | Brussels? |
| 14:46.07 | pb_ | yah |
| 14:46.08 | Twiun | This'll be my first fosdem |
| 14:46.27 | pb_ | ah, right. |
| 14:46.34 | pb_ | last year's was quite good fun. |
| 14:46.40 | pb_ | well, this year's I guess |
| 14:47.30 | Twiun | Hehe, brb, lunch! |
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| 17:41.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: writing up my reply now |
| 17:41.55 | mickeyl | k, thanks |
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| 18:00.44 | Twiun | sent |
| 18:01.25 | Twiun | Monday's my last day on this contract btw, so tuesday->friday I should be able to devote to the website |
| 18:02.52 | mickeyl | great |
| 18:02.54 | mickeyl | got it |
| 18:02.59 | mickeyl | very valuable comments - thanks |
| 18:03.18 | Twiun | I'm planning on making the news/newsletter bit very simple to admin - probably a directory where you put items with the date/title in the filename (easy to iterate over) |
| 18:03.32 | mickeyl | yeah, that's reasonably. KISS principle :) |
| 18:03.38 | mickeyl | reasonable. |
| 18:03.38 | Twiun | mickeyl: my pleasure, I'll ask you to do the same for mine ;) |
| 18:03.42 | mickeyl | of course :) |
| 18:04.04 | Twiun | yeah, I'll keep everything on a file basis if possible |
| 18:04.14 | Twiun | none of that web admin interface stuff ;) |
| 18:04.28 | Twiun | well... unless it's required |
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| 18:05.31 | Twiun | ibot: seen hardwire |
| 18:05.32 | | hardwire is currently on #gct (3d 17h 50m 17s) #openzaurus (3d 17h 50m 17s) #tacobeam (3d 17h 50m 17s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 1d 20h 32m 51s |
| 18:05.49 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 18:08.10 | W8TVI|z | I wonder why my dad rebooted my server... |
| 18:08.22 | Twiun | just for kicks probably |
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| 18:40.59 | Pendalar | ipaq h1935 for $199, worth it? |
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| 18:44.09 | mickeyl | Twiun: consider the following phrase: |
| 18:44.16 | mickeyl | Feel free to provide feedback or send in questions. Questions of broad interest will be answered in the next newsletter. |
| 18:44.24 | mickeyl | what's better? broad interest or common interest? |
| 18:44.59 | pb_ | "broad interest" sounds better to me. or "general interest". |
| 18:45.00 | Pendalar | common |
| 18:45.07 | mickeyl | hmm... 1:1 |
| 18:45.09 | mickeyl | more opinions? |
| 18:45.11 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:45.14 | Pendalar | general is good too |
| 18:45.37 | Pendalar | "broad interest" sounds like some phrase which is altogether proper, but never used and sounds... off |
| 18:45.46 | mickeyl | i see |
| 18:45.49 | mickeyl | it's general then. |
| 18:46.01 | Pendalar | broad == woman or part of broadband |
| 18:46.04 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 18:46.04 | treke|home | I'm interested in broads. :p |
| 18:46.20 | Pendalar | yep that's what I was thinking *grin* |
| 18:46.49 | mickeyl | treke|home: can you check if the zImage i compiled for husky works? some reported problems with hanging after the OZ logo. |
| 18:47.11 | treke|home | sure. Or you could just steal the zImage I compiled |
| 18:47.16 | treke|home | home.treke.net/~ggilbert |
| 18:47.21 | mickeyl | i could do that and hope that it's binary compatible |
| 18:47.30 | treke|home | Why wouldnt it be? |
| 18:47.54 | treke|home | We havent made any major kernel changes |
| 18:47.54 | mickeyl | changed configuration options? |
| 18:48.07 | mickeyl | k, taking your image |
| 18:48.12 | treke|home | I just build with the default kernel config |
| 18:48.19 | treke|home | and remove the sysreq patch |
| 18:48.29 | mickeyl | console= ? |
| 18:49.06 | treke|home | mickeyl: Whatever the defconfig points to is what I use |
| 18:49.15 | mickeyl | null then. ok |
| 18:49.36 | treke|home | yeah. My only change is removing the sysreq key so that the home button works. |
| 18:49.54 | mickeyl | good. that shouldn't hurt. |
| 18:50.21 | treke|home | and there you go downloading |
| 18:50.28 | mickeyl | hmmm i wish dsl would be symmetric :) |
| 18:50.44 | treke|home | you can get it |
| 18:50.49 | mickeyl | not here |
| 18:51.17 | treke|home | download done. |
| 18:51.21 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 18:51.22 | mickeyl | it's up |
| 18:52.56 | Pendalar | staples has the ipaq h1935 for $199, would that run linux decently? |
| 18:53.03 | mickeyl | don't think so |
| 18:53.16 | mickeyl | h19xx support is pretty experimental |
| 18:53.17 | treke|home | Pendalar: Not a great port, but it should be doable |
| 18:53.22 | mickeyl | but pb_ may comment on that |
| 18:53.25 | treke|home | no expansion though |
| 18:53.37 | W8TVI | Pendalar, for that price, get another sl-5500 of ebay |
| 18:53.46 | Pendalar | in that case I'll either get another low end zaurus as a backup, or save up for a c760/860 |
| 18:53.50 | Pendalar | yeah |
| 18:53.53 | mickeyl | save up |
| 18:54.05 | treke|home | erm, a 5500 and a 1935 arent exactly comparable machines :p |
| 18:54.11 | Pendalar | I know jack about WinCE pda's .. always stayed away from them |
| 18:54.12 | treke|home | ohwait the 1935 isn't the pxa255 |
| 18:54.28 | pb_ | h1935 is one of the s32c2410 based machines. They certainly have the ability to run linux, but we don't have a full port yet. |
| 18:54.46 | Pendalar | pb_ : thanks |
| 18:54.57 | pb_ | Ben Dooks is (nominally) working on that, but progress seems to be slow. |
| 18:55.25 | treke|home | ah cool. demo is back to work on the axim |
| 18:56.47 | treke|home | mickeyl: If I did a clean pull of buildroot, does it compile? |
| 18:58.32 | mickeyl | only if you have a populated source directory |
| 19:01.19 | W8TVI | http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4312.html Motorola pick Trolltech framework |
| 19:01.20 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.22 | treke|home | the axim is a nice machine |
| 19:01.30 | Twiun | mickeyl: sorry I didn't answer - been busy vectorising pingizaurus |
| 19:01.37 | Twiun | mickeyl: rescuing him from raster oblivion |
| 19:01.56 | treke|home | pb_: You know if anyone has built a arm-linux toolchain for OS X? |
| 19:02.36 | pb_ | treke|home: not sure. you could ask dc_, maybe. |
| 19:03.25 | treke|home | cool. There was an empty osx directory on hh.o. so I figured someone had at least thought about it :p |
| 19:06.04 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah nice |
| 19:07.17 | Twiun | mickeyl: it's 8mb atm ;) going to trim that down a bit |
| 19:08.45 | mickeyl | huh yeah |
| 19:08.46 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:10.29 | Twiun | hmmm, or I _would_ if it supported vector file formats |
| 19:10.38 | pb_ | ha. |
| 19:17.19 | yeiazel | Twiun: have you vectorized the "Z" ? |
| 19:19.47 | Twiun | yeiazel: yeah, using a tool that comes with coreldraw 9... it's not pretty yet though |
| 19:19.58 | Twiun | yeiazel: going to get a nice b/w vector next |
| 19:23.46 | yeiazel | ok |
| 19:28.11 | Twiun | brb, dinner |
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| 20:05.37 | treke|home | mickey|dinner: ping me when you get back |
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| 20:40.30 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.themastermind1.net/boxes.txt |
| 20:40.31 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:40.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i have too much time |
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| 20:53.19 | treke|home | TimRiker: yo |
| 20:53.27 | treke|home | TimRiker: Got debian working properly on the magnia |
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| 20:58.13 | W8TVI | hey TimRiker |
| 20:58.28 | W8TVI | TimRiker: see the inside of an SG20 at http://the-collective.net/~kb8sjt/magnia/ |
| 21:13.26 | W8TVI | treke|home: ping |
| 21:14.20 | W8TVI | treke|home: one of the guys in our LUG just got a sg20 on ebay |
| 21:16.04 | treke|home | cool |
| 21:25.08 | ljp | mmmmmmmmmmm espresso in the morning |
| 21:30.20 | ljp | I thought sg was cancelled from tv? |
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| 23:11.33 | ljp | hmm |
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| 23:17.36 | W8TVI | I'm glad that I have VNC installed on my other computer |
| 23:18.54 | ljp | me too, so I can take control over your desktop and freak you out |
| 23:19.17 | W8TVI | not behind my firewall |
| 23:19.18 | W8TVI | :P |
| 23:19.36 | W8TVI | I set the wrong refresh on for the old monitor |
| 23:19.46 | W8TVI | this way I can fix it |
| 23:29.51 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:29.52 | W8TVI | http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11322 |
| 23:30.23 | W8TVI | guess its time to upgrade to smb 3 |
| 23:30.53 | W8TVI | "And now, Samba 3 offers full Active Directory support." |
| 23:32.49 | treke|home | so it can be a directory server now? |
| 23:33.08 | W8TVI | don't know... thats what the post says |
| 23:33.37 | treke|home | that would be the first time I've ever seen that claim :) |
| 23:34.13 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:34.16 | W8TVI | "A while back I noticed that the benchmark was done on a PC with 512MB of RAM. That probably forced Windows 2003 Server to use the paging file as on the test system by veritest, it performed several times higher than it did in eweek's test. Perhaps using 512MB of RAM was meant to cripple Windows 2003 Server so it couldn't perform as well as it should. Just a thought." |
| 23:34.46 | W8TVI | 512mb of ram "crippling" windo'hs 2k3? |
| 23:35.50 | W8TVI | rh9 as the samba server on my network with only 500mhz cpu and 256mb of ram NEVER had trouble or slowed down |
| 23:36.02 | W8TVI | even printing huge print jobs |
| 23:37.27 | treke|home | nope. looks like it cant be the server yet. darn |
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