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| 00:17.06 | treke | about 180 in this srpm |
| 00:22.23 | chouimat | wooooohooooo pay tv signal trap just died |
| 00:22.41 | gb2 | pay tv trap? |
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| 00:24.58 | chouimat | gb2: something in the pole that block the signal for a specified channel ... so when it's work the signal is at -60db the one here wasn't working great ... with a power buster I was to see the channel but without a good picture ... now the trap is dead so I have a crisp picture :) |
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| 00:30.06 | gb2 | chouimat: heh |
| 00:30.21 | gb2 | i think just about all the pay stuff here is now digital |
| 00:30.38 | gb2 | so you have to decrypt it to get it |
| 00:43.25 | chouimat | gb2: analog here ... they are installing digital tv but since people are so conservative they won't buy it |
| 00:45.18 | treke | ok |
| 00:45.23 | treke | so I know my magnia is booting |
| 00:45.29 | treke | it's the network driver that doesnt work |
| 00:46.18 | kergoth | treke: ah |
| 00:48.27 | treke | sending text to the serial port makes it appear on the lcd |
| 00:48.54 | treke | so I just echod "Boot" to the lcd at S99 and saw it pop up |
| 00:49.19 | kergoth | ahh nice |
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| 00:49.56 | treke | yeah. So I'll build .22, since it had the new eepro 100 driver in it |
| 00:51.15 | W8TVI | treke: the sg20 yahoo group has a file about the LCD |
| 00:51.44 | treke | yeah. They have an app for doing more useful control over it, but this gets the job done for debugging |
| 00:53.13 | W8TVI | http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AAS8P4-NeiAHnVrI9rcrBf8W4nmyTiEkhmNpqOJ9fF9ozKwr3eqj6olVVXml2d_lE9s5ZGjP8lO1erhmv8x2x81QLA/Magnia%20SG20%20General%20Customization%20Guide.pdf |
| 00:53.25 | W8TVI | I think thats the one with the info about the LCD at the end |
| 00:53.43 | treke | yeah. We arent to customization yet. We're still at "make it do something" |
| 00:53.49 | W8TVI | :) |
| 00:54.32 | W8TVI | and this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg10/files/ |
| 00:54.39 | W8TVI | has some handy looking files |
| 00:54.49 | treke | yeah. I havent looked at the sg10 group |
| 00:54.51 | treke | just the sg20 |
| 00:55.07 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.07 | W8TVI | Files to install toshiba LCD and power control for E-smith |
| 00:55.08 | treke | I'm wondering how useful any of toshibas stuff is :) |
| 00:55.34 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.34 | W8TVI | Toshiba Source Code Access Agreement |
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| 01:16.34 | W8TVI | kergoth`bbl: starting a new compile? |
| 01:31.17 | treke | hmmm .22 didnt build |
| 01:38.27 | treke | wow. Debian enables a bunch of shit in their kernels |
| 01:39.10 | treke | they actualy enable support for PS/2's with MCA busses and ESDI hard drives |
| 01:43.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:43.10 | kergoth | our native build is pretty messed up |
| 01:43.32 | kergoth | since it installs sme of the libs into build/, some into target/ in staging, and target/lib isnt in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, which breaks the AC_TRY_RUN() tests |
| 01:43.47 | kergoth | need to add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, only when we arent CROSS |
| 01:44.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:45.02 | kergoth | we dont have conditionals yet |
| 01:45.05 | kergoth | thats a problem |
| 01:45.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:45.15 | kergoth | grr |
| 01:45.35 | gb2 | heh |
| 01:45.51 | kergoth | could probably do it via lamba in a ${@} replacement |
| 01:45.55 | kergoth | but thats ugly as hell |
| 01:46.17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats the status of the cross compiler? |
| 01:46.39 | kergoth | havent messed with it recently |
| 01:46.42 | kergoth | been sick |
| 01:47.02 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: bummer |
| 01:47.12 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: no hurries of course, just checking |
| 01:47.18 | treke | W8TVI: ping |
| 01:47.33 | W8TVI | treke: pong |
| 01:47.52 | treke | W8TVI: can you check and see what ide controller the sg20 uses? |
| 01:47.57 | treke | I sort of forgot to look :p |
| 01:47.58 | W8TVI | hold on |
| 01:48.31 | W8TVI | 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 01:48.51 | W8TVI | 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] (rev c4) |
| 01:48.51 | W8TVI | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] |
| 01:48.51 | W8TVI | 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 40) |
| 01:48.52 | treke | via. Not too specific, but better than nothing |
| 01:49.00 | treke | ahh. There we go |
| 01:49.06 | W8TVI | :) |
| 01:54.18 | treke | cool. the reason it didnt bood the fist time is because I hadnt enabled ide support :p |
| 01:55.35 | W8TVI | opps |
| 01:55.37 | W8TVI | oops |
| 01:56.12 | treke | yeah. minor oversight |
| 01:56.55 | treke | hahaha |
| 01:57.05 | treke | it looks line the console came up on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:57.53 | treke | but my magnia is on the network with debian stable |
| 01:58.51 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:59.01 | kergoth | had to move to 2.4.22? |
| 01:59.33 | chouimat | ? |
| 02:01.15 | treke | .21 |
| 02:01.28 | kergoth | ah, what was missing for the networking? |
| 02:01.48 | treke | I think it was the becker eepro100 that was the problem |
| 02:01.55 | treke | I'm using the intel e100 driver now |
| 02:02.09 | kergoth | ahh |
| 02:02.36 | treke | I remembered that being a problem with my desktop, the eepro100 driver wouldnt work with the onboard chipset |
| 02:03.53 | treke | kergoth: I'll grab a .config for you once I get home |
| 02:04.02 | treke | could probably just dd the sucker |
| 02:04.10 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:04.18 | treke | next up is bridging, then nat |
| 02:24.50 | ljp | sharp officially announces the sl-6000 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6804055064.html |
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| 02:25.31 | W8TVI | cool |
| 02:25.38 | W8TVI | ljp: where's yours? |
| 02:26.11 | MSpin | weee...time to see if I can get the new build system to work :) |
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| 02:28.53 | chouimat | ljp: price? |
| 02:30.23 | treke | W8TVI: so, erm, do you have any idea what to do with this rtl819? |
| 02:31.18 | W8TVI | there are drivers for it |
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| 02:31.40 | treke | I have it loaded. Just not sure how the interface works |
| 02:32.05 | treke | I have an eth1, just not sure how that relates to the 8 ports on the back |
| 02:32.27 | W8TVI | eth1 should be the "Wan" port |
| 02:32.34 | W8TVI | eth0 should be the switch |
| 02:32.34 | treke | eth0 is |
| 02:32.55 | W8TVI | well on the toshiba setup it is anyway |
| 02:33.05 | treke | that isnt the case on my setup, Remember I'm using debian with things loaded differently |
| 02:33.29 | kergoth | treke: theres one NIC connected to the WAN port, the other is connected internally to the 8 port switch |
| 02:33.39 | W8TVI | 8139too 16288 1 |
| 02:33.39 | W8TVI | mii 2280 0 [8139too] |
| 02:33.47 | W8TVI | the switch is a real switch |
| 02:33.50 | treke | oh |
| 02:34.00 | treke | so it's really like there is a 9 port switch with one port hardcoded? |
| 02:34.06 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:34.09 | W8TVI | no... |
| 02:34.12 | treke | ah. That clears it up. |
| 02:34.30 | kergoth | yes. there are 9 exposed ports, plus an internal connection to the 2nd NIC |
| 02:34.34 | W8TVI | ita 7 port with an uplink port, and a hardwired port |
| 02:34.38 | kergoth | er 8 exposed |
| 02:34.42 | kergoth | eh? |
| 02:34.50 | W8TVI | it a 7 port switch |
| 02:34.51 | kergoth | ah, yeah |
| 02:34.53 | treke | kergoth: What I was confused on was how the thing worked. |
| 02:35.01 | kergoth | its an 8 port switch that happens to have one of them hardwired |
| 02:35.05 | kergoth | simple enough |
| 02:35.20 | kergoth | treke: yea |
| 02:35.20 | treke | yeah. Your explanation worked. |
| 02:35.21 | W8TVI | one uplink rj45 on the switch, and a intel EEpro100S |
| 02:35.55 | kergoth | bbl |
| 02:35.58 | treke | need some glue so I can glue this foot back on |
| 02:38.19 | W8TVI | treke how it the top attached? |
| 02:38.38 | W8TVI | do I just need to remove the hdd door and the screws and slide the top off? |
| 02:38.44 | W8TVI | 2 or 3 screws |
| 02:38.56 | treke | just remove the door and screws and slide |
| 02:39.19 | W8TVI | cool. strait back? |
| 02:39.35 | treke | yup |
| 02:39.43 | W8TVI | k |
| 02:39.49 | treke | don;t try taking off the feet :p |
| 02:40.12 | W8TVI | k |
| 02:40.33 | W8TVI | but mine lost its rubber "feet" when I put it in my laptop bag |
| 02:40.42 | MSpin | so, I'm trying to build glibc for i386...but it's configure is failing with "configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile" |
| 02:40.44 | treke | ah. |
| 02:40.51 | W8TVI | still has the plastic corners |
| 02:40.57 | W8TVI | but not the rubber feet |
| 02:41.06 | treke | It's the corner I brook off :p |
| 02:41.13 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:41.25 | treke | It looked like it had to be removed to open it up :p |
| 02:41.31 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:44.43 | treke | this desk is a mess |
| 02:50.45 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:51.41 | treke | 2 18 inch monitors, 1 magnia, one mid tower, and a powerbook :p |
| 02:52.05 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:52.12 | W8TVI | lets see |
| 02:53.59 | W8TVI | 1 19" monitor, 3 zarii (1 dead), on sony pda, 1 sg20, a few computer parts keyboard, wireles mouse, usb joystick, 3 stacks of floppys and cds... and a sony portable cd player |
| 02:54.22 | W8TVI | and a printer and digial camera |
| 02:55.17 | treke | ah, Didnt take into acount the two phones. two keyboards, couple books. And a plant. |
| 02:56.52 | chouimat | night |
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| 03:10.08 | ljp | hmmm |
| 03:11.44 | ljp | shhooo beee dooobeee doo |
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| 03:16.21 | W8TVI | beware the penguins |
| 03:18.38 | treke | wtf. now the nick isnt working |
| 03:18.54 | ljp | hmm, how do I do an ibot message? |
| 03:19.09 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for ljp: bleh |
| 03:19.26 | ljp | he has no botmail help |
| 03:43.17 | treke | and it was working so well. wtf |
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| 03:46.01 | ljp | ? |
| 03:46.32 | treke | ljp: this magnia was working. Now it doesnt work |
| 03:48.38 | ljp | ahh |
| 03:50.02 | W8TVI | what did you do to it? |
| 03:50.27 | W8TVI | toshiba uses the 8139too driver |
| 03:50.39 | W8TVI | works great on my setup |
| 03:51.25 | treke | if I knew what I did I would fix it |
| 03:51.33 | treke | about the backup and reinstall |
| 03:52.10 | ljp | ibot: shoot kernel-ipaq |
| 03:52.13 | | ACTION shoots kernel-ipaq in the head. |
| 03:53.18 | W8TVI | treke: http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html |
| 03:53.37 | treke | I know what the fucking 8139too driver is |
| 03:54.08 | treke | the eepro is also doing nothing |
| 03:54.12 | W8TVI | How this driver differs from the 2.4 "8139too.c" |
| 03:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | damn 8139 |
| 03:54.26 | CosmicPenguin | National Semiconductor is such a pain in the ass |
| 03:54.37 | treke | Beats me. The 8139 is in no way involved with this situation |
| 03:54.38 | W8TVI | rtl8139 |
| 03:55.29 | treke | the issue at hand is making the eepro100 work again. |
| 03:55.49 | ljp | treke: what soundcard driver does the 3600 use? |
| 03:55.59 | treke | the ud1341 driver. |
| 03:56.24 | W8TVI | I know that toshiba uses the e100 driver, but you said thats what you are usin |
| 03:56.38 | treke | Yes. it is what I'm using. |
| 03:58.24 | treke | something I did caused it to stop working. |
| 04:00.19 | ljp | hmmm... |
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| 04:02.40 | W8TVI | treke: you might want to email this guy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg20/message/679 |
| 04:02.52 | treke | already have |
| 04:02.56 | W8TVI | he made a 70mb debian image |
| 04:02.58 | W8TVI | ah |
| 04:07.40 | kergoth | jeeze, like 15 packages in the oe metadata repos fail due to missing dependencies |
| 04:07.59 | treke | hehe. easy to miss since we dont use oemake :) |
| 04:08.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:08.08 | kergoth | i use it now though |
| 04:08.24 | treke | do you? |
| 04:08.25 | kergoth | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils-cross|gcc-.*cross|uclibc'` oemake -a |
| 04:08.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:08.35 | treke | doesnt that try building everything? :p |
| 04:08.37 | kergoth | grep out Bad Things that break us |
| 04:08.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:08.40 | kergoth | multiple versions, etc |
| 04:08.50 | kergoth | but without uclibc, buildign all providers doesnt make anything explode horribly |
| 04:08.56 | treke | hehe |
| 04:09.04 | treke | it just makes things really really slow :p |
| 04:09.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:09.16 | kergoth | like i really need tarballs of both qte 2.3.6 and 2.3.7. |
| 04:09.58 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:10.00 | kergoth | me neither |
| 04:10.11 | kergoth | i can see looking for APs if you're already somewhere doing something and you want to see if you have wifi |
| 04:10.15 | kergoth | just out of convenience |
| 04:10.17 | treke | yup. |
| 04:10.18 | kergoth | but to actively look? |
| 04:10.21 | kergoth | i mean shit, get a lif |
| 04:10.26 | kergoth | theres a lot of better things to be doing |
| 04:10.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:11.19 | treke | I could see doing it once, but it just doesnt seem like a recurring activity :(( |
| 04:11.26 | kergoth | yea |
| 04:11.47 | treke | even then, I barely get reception on the far side of my apartment. I don't see where I'd find it driving |
| 04:11.51 | W8TVI | I dont wardrive, but I might run kismet while I'm driving someplace |
| 04:12.57 | kergoth | yeah, that i could see. |
| 04:13.01 | kergoth | you're already going somewhere, why not |
| 04:13.38 | W8TVI | I'd like to setup a computer setup in my car that had wireless and played mp3s and did APRS for me... |
| 04:14.38 | W8TVI | I could have it just watch for aps and log them while I was just driving around places |
| 04:16.26 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 04:16.56 | ljp | I would have to 'warride' instead of wardrive |
| 04:22.10 | kergoth | treke: resourceext staging target was broke |
| 04:22.17 | kergoth | fixed |
| 04:22.33 | treke | what was broken? |
| 04:22.47 | kergoth | it had more than just binaries, libs, and includes to install in the 'install' target |
| 04:22.54 | kergoth | DESTDIR was "", prefix was set |
| 04:23.00 | treke | ah yeah |
| 04:23.03 | kergoth | datadir in our configure run isnt relative to prefix |
| 04:23.07 | kergoth | its our ${datadir} expanded |
| 04:23.11 | kergoth | and we werent overriding that |
| 04:23.12 | treke | I was working on that one when I pushed |
| 04:23.20 | kergoth | just set DESTDIR to staging_dir |
| 04:23.23 | kergoth | datadir=/share |
| 04:23.26 | kergoth | bindir=/build/bin |
| 04:23.28 | kergoth | libdir=/target/lib |
| 04:23.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:26.08 | kergoth | the old xfree86 build fails due to not adding our cppflags/cflags to the imakemdep_cpp.h generation |
| 04:26.26 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 04:38.23 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 04:38.30 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 04:38.44 | Speedy2 | Just wondering, does anyone here use a 3Ware IDE RAID(perhaps 7506) card under Linux? |
| 04:38.50 | Speedy2 | What's new kergoth? |
| 04:39.25 | kergoth | only raid cards i use are megaraid scsi controllers |
| 04:39.29 | kergoth | nada, busy with work |
| 04:39.37 | kergoth | you? |
| 04:39.40 | Speedy2 | Busy |
| 04:39.48 | Speedy2 | But I did my first hardware test this morning and all was well! |
| 04:40.00 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:40.21 | Speedy2 | Yeah...design used 50% of an FPGA, there's plenty testing left. |
| 04:41.30 | kergoth | treke: ugh, xfree86 build doesnt work if I dont set CROSS_DIR to my actual toolchain dir? that sucks |
| 04:41.31 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That low-pass filter thing help out? |
| 04:41.55 | treke | kergoth: it doesnt? |
| 04:41.56 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah, though i didnt end up using it due to the lag involved when doing drags |
| 04:42.03 | kergoth | treke: well, it does a for i in * in CROSS_DIR |
| 04:42.05 | kergoth | treke: :) |
| 04:42.12 | treke | kergoth: that's the old build |
| 04:42.17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:42.24 | kergoth | testing it anyway since it isnt in nonworking |
| 04:42.27 | kergoth | should i move it over? |
| 04:42.31 | treke | that requires CROSS_DIR to be set |
| 04:42.35 | kergoth | k |
| 04:42.36 | treke | sure. Maybe even unsupported |
| 04:42.50 | treke | it's being replaced slowly with the autotools packages |
| 04:46.48 | treke | wish I could dump the boot sequence to a text file |
| 04:48.40 | TimRiker | treke: that's what serial consoles are good for. |
| 04:48.45 | Speedy2 | Yo Tim. |
| 04:48.52 | treke | TimRiker: No serial :) |
| 04:48.54 | kergoth | TimRiker: magnia doesnt have one :) |
| 04:49.03 | kergoth | would be nice if it did |
| 04:49.03 | treke | well. My serial console is a 2 line character lcd |
| 04:49.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:49.15 | kergoth | videotape it! :P |
| 04:49.29 | TimRiker | hmm. usb? never tried a usb serial console.... |
| 04:49.33 | treke | no usb |
| 04:49.39 | kergoth | hey you should try netconsole |
| 04:49.45 | kergoth | i hear good things |
| 04:49.55 | kergoth | course, you're having connectivity problems |
| 04:49.56 | kergoth | so nevermind |
| 04:50.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:50.04 | treke | hehe |
| 04:51.18 | treke | freaking had connectivity |
| 04:56.38 | treke | run-parts $* >> /tmp/bootlog |
| 04:56.58 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 05:02.28 | treke | hmmm. apparently debian doesnt use runparts for initscripts |
| 05:03.49 | kergoth | edit /etc/init.d/rc and rcS |
| 05:04.44 | treke | bit too late :) |
| 05:05.29 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:06.07 | treke | already halted. took a similar approach. not sure if it will work :p |
| 05:06.41 | treke | linux init=/sbin/fakeinit :p |
| 05:09.55 | treke | which failed miserably since / is ro :p |
| 05:11.08 | kergoth | mount /tmp early |
| 05:11.11 | kergoth | make it tmpfs |
| 05:11.15 | treke | good plan. |
| 05:13.06 | treke | also probably need to stop debian from wiping /tmp |
| 05:13.15 | kergoth | heheh, thatd be good |
| 05:13.21 | kergoth | i wonder why debian doesnt use tmpfs for /tmp. |
| 05:15.09 | treke | hmmm. Kernel paniced and tried killing init when I did that :p |
| 05:15.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:15.21 | kergoth | doh |
| 05:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I wish I had good alpha capabilities with MW |
| 05:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | I need to do a transparent copy |
| 05:33.31 | treke | hmm, 9 |
| 05:33.54 | treke | 9:30. I should go home |
| 05:33.54 | kergoth | yep, you should |
| 05:37.54 | ljp | hmmm |
| 05:38.09 | ljp | I could swear it was 15:37 |
| 05:42.33 | treke | hmmm |
| 05:42.43 | treke | console on parallel port perhaps? |
| 05:43.05 | kergoth | hehe, could do that.. get one of those old laplink cables.. |
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| 05:45.12 | treke | I'll have to bug pb about it tomorrow :p |
| 05:48.40 | ljp | good thing today is thursday |
| 05:52.59 | treke | looks like write only. Darn |
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| 06:02.53 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit - I can't install the new galeon without loading gnome |
| 06:03.15 | treke | thats always been the case |
| 06:03.35 | CosmicPenguin | 1.2x installed with just GTK |
| 06:03.46 | treke | out of the box? |
| 06:03.53 | treke | or with patches? |
| 06:04.03 | CosmicPenguin | out of the box |
| 06:04.45 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, well, I guess thats the breaks |
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| 06:13.07 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 06:13.36 | W8TVI | I just took apart my sg20 and now that I have it back toghter, the top line on the LCD is all black and the bottom line is blank |
| 06:13.42 | treke | mphaha |
| 06:16.18 | W8TVI | guess I'll have to do it again |
| 06:16.27 | W8TVI | see what didn't get pluged in right |
| 06:16.50 | W8TVI | I did take alot of pictures |
| 06:19.05 | W8TVI | back in a bit |
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| 06:31.18 | treke | dammit. WORK |
| 06:31.30 | ljp | I AM at work! I swear! |
| 06:31.35 | kergoth | liar |
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| 06:32.52 | W8TVI | all I did was poke at the cable for the LCD and its fine now |
| 06:32.59 | ljp | I am really getting sick and tired of pedalling to and from work all the time |
| 06:33.29 | ljp | I want to be lazy and drive the 5 minutes home! |
| 06:34.34 | W8TVI | treke: I need to go and put more LCD messages in the startup scripts |
| 06:34.54 | treke | hehe |
| 06:35.33 | ljp | funny how make -j20 compiles faster than make |
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| 11:19.14 | Twiun | good morning |
| 11:33.19 | lpotter | good evening |
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| 14:14.55 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
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| 15:03.58 | Twiun | hmmm php looks surprisingly simply if you already know how to code |
| 15:04.03 | Twiun | s/simply/simple/ |
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| 16:08.36 | treke|home | urgh. too early |
| 16:12.10 | Twiun | urgh. not late enough |
| 16:14.07 | treke|home | oh well. Just 8 hours till my weekend |
| 16:14.44 | Twiun | no friday for you? |
| 16:14.54 | treke|home | nope :) |
| 16:15.05 | Twiun | ~lart treke|home |
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| 18:13.47 | kergoth | hmmm, thats annoying. |
| 18:13.59 | kergoth | tried to do a native OE metadata build |
| 18:14.10 | kergoth | but my desktop is glibc 2.2.x, my target is glibc 2.3.x |
| 18:14.19 | kergoth | and it sees that its native and tries to run the runtime tests |
| 18:14.41 | kergoth | which all fail due to missing libs. if you add staging/target/lib to the ld library path, it fails since it cant find the glibc 2.3 versioned symbols :) |
| 18:14.58 | kergoth | so i cheated and told it i was building from i386 for i686, which it took to mean crosscompiling, so it skips all the AC_TRY_RUN tests :) |
| 18:15.09 | kergoth | now just need a fully populated site/i686-linux |
| 18:18.02 | gb2 | kergoth: most of the arm stuff should be right for 686 |
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| 18:18.18 | kergoth | gb2: yeah, thats what i was thinking.. |
| 18:18.23 | kergoth | wish there was an easier way to populate it |
| 18:18.46 | kergoth | maybe just oebuild everything but glibc 2.3, noncross, which will succeed, then cat all the config.cache's together |
| 18:18.50 | kergoth | and then $(BUILD_CC) $(ALL_LDFLAGS) -o subst subst.o |
| 18:18.52 | kergoth | er |
| 18:19.00 | kergoth | and then do a script to rip out only the ones that are also in arm-linux |
| 18:23.07 | gb2 | that might work |
| 18:23.42 | kergoth | if i had an m4 parser, i'd go through everybody's aclocal.m4 seeking AC_TRY_RUN calls within AC_CACHE_CHECK |
| 18:23.51 | kergoth | and use that as a list of what we need |
| 18:23.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:35.22 | bipolar | yo |
| 18:36.51 | kergoth | ehy bipolar |
| 18:36.55 | kergoth | s/eh/he/ |
| 18:40.14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:40.54 | kergoth | we need a better way to track packages vs oe interdependency. make a OE version requirement var in the .oe |
| 18:41.01 | kergoth | s/make/maybe/ |
| 18:41.38 | kergoth | does portage have such a thing atm? |
| 18:44.22 | treke | where is pb when you need him |
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| 18:54.03 | W8TVI | heh |
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| 19:14.48 | Pendalar | anyone who makes Z or PPC games about? |
| 19:15.01 | Pendalar | preferably Z but don't guess my question will matter much |
| 19:20.02 | W8TVI | bill zendric does |
| 19:20.13 | kergoth | you mean kendrick? :) |
| 19:20.55 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 19:23.44 | Pendalar | heh |
| 19:23.59 | Pendalar | doesn't... eh... warmi? |
| 19:24.05 | Pendalar | I think he's who I am thinking of |
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| 19:51.12 | treke | hmmm. what would you call a serial port that'd you'd connect to the pin on a mother board |
| 19:59.33 | treke | maybe I'll go to frys tomorrow and look |
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| 20:17.15 | TimRiker | http://www.tapwave.com/product/index.asp <- hack that one? |
| 20:18.21 | treke | Is it just a coincidence that the picture says "Tim's Zodiac?" |
| 20:19.37 | lpotter | read comments http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story.php?news_id=3556 |
| 20:23.07 | prpplague | lpotter: still no price |
| 20:24.11 | TimRiker | treke: ;-) |
| 20:26.25 | prpplague | lpotter: funny reading the comments |
| 20:26.57 | lpotter | TimRiker: that kinda reminds me of the vercel |
| 20:29.04 | TimRiker | lpotter: still have your's? |
| 20:29.13 | TimRiker | I've got parts, but not a working unit. |
| 20:29.30 | lpotter | yes.. but warwick touched it, |
| 20:29.51 | lpotter | and the screen flaked out. the connector was flaky in the forst place |
| 20:30.04 | lpotter | firt |
| 20:30.08 | lpotter | bleh |
| 20:30.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:33.00 | TimRiker | reseat the cable? that often fixes em. |
| 20:33.19 | lpotter | tried.. many times.. |
| 20:33.22 | TimRiker | can't help the typing though. |
| 20:33.45 | TimRiker | bummer. |
| 20:33.47 | lpotter | I need an irc client with autospell-as-you-go |
| 20:34.22 | lpotter | the cable had been loose anyway, and was difficult to reseat it enough to get it to work correctly |
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| 20:37.20 | lpotter | I am quite sure I have the only working or notworking vercel on this continent |
| 20:41.31 | treke | hmmm. Looks like buying one of the necessary cables will be tough. Perhaps rewiring one would be easier |
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| 21:17.28 | heatsink | is treke.net down? |
| 21:17.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:18.26 | heatsink | oh okay.. |
| 21:19.38 | Pendalar | =-x |
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| 21:21.06 | gb2 | oh neat, looks like buying liquor on sundays is going to be legal |
| 21:21.08 | gb2 | sweet |
| 21:21.24 | kergoth | really? |
| 21:21.26 | kergoth | nice |
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| 21:21.49 | kergoth | woah, everything built |
| 21:22.06 | kergoth | everything in our packages repos with the exception of binutils-cross/uclibc/gcc.*cross/avr-libc/ncurses 4.2 |
| 21:22.09 | gb2 | massachusetts is going to get gay marriages, liquor on sundays, and no smoking. more and more yuppie every day. |
| 21:22.14 | W8TVI | kergoth: try it again... you must have done something wrong |
| 21:22.23 | W8TVI | :) |
| 21:22.46 | kergoth | yeah, its spooky |
| 21:22.51 | kergoth | im gonna rm -rf tmp and try again |
| 21:22.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:22.57 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:29.51 | kergoth | ibot: die |
| 21:29.53 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:29.56 | treke | ibot die |
| 21:29.57 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:29.59 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:30.01 | treke | cool |
| 21:31.22 | W8TVI | ibot die |
| 21:31.23 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:37.59 | treke | mickeyl: |
| 21:38.11 | kergoth | hey mickey |
| 21:38.19 | mickeyl | hi kergoth, treke |
| 21:40.06 | mickeyl | damn. |
| 21:40.13 | mickeyl | the optional doc tabs patch breaks something |
| 21:40.18 | treke | haha |
| 21:40.25 | mickeyl | i have a freeze on resume |
| 21:40.32 | kergoth | heh, thats not good |
| 21:40.33 | treke | lemme guess... every app that uses DocLnk? |
| 21:40.34 | mickeyl | reproducably the doc patch |
| 21:40.59 | mickeyl | treke: no. that's no problem. the server interface supports launchers without doc scanning |
| 21:41.17 | mickeyl | but that resume freeze is giving me a hard time |
| 21:41.25 | mickeyl | can't reasonably debug that crap atm. |
| 21:44.04 | kergoth | suspend/resume issues are always a bitch to debug |
| 21:44.18 | kergoth | it was no fun debugging the suspend/resume ordering in kernel space amongst the drivers |
| 21:44.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:44.28 | mickeyl | no kidding |
| 21:44.28 | kergoth | printk's sprinkled in every pm suspend/resume callback |
| 21:44.30 | mickeyl | i can imagine |
| 21:49.13 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 21:49.16 | mickeyl | it doesn't happen everytime |
| 21:49.20 | mickeyl | that makes it worse |
| 21:49.23 | kergoth | doh |
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| 21:55.34 | kergoth | W8TVI: the build's still going... i think its actually going to complete again without incident! |
| 22:00.30 | kergoth | i should run OE on my Z and crosscompile to x86 |
| 22:00.33 | kergoth | just because i can |
| 22:01.05 | heatsink | hahaha |
| 22:01.13 | heatsink | any idea if treke will be up? |
| 22:01.20 | kergoth | google for that tarball |
| 22:01.33 | Pendalar | I was going to try OZ->crosscompile to x86 but I couldn't feel out the need |
| 22:01.51 | Pendalar | since I usually compile via ssh not on the zaurus, unless ZGCC2 proves to be interesting |
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| 22:02.38 | treke | i', up now |
| 22:04.37 | heatsink | treke i mean the server |
| 22:04.41 | heatsink | treke.net |
| 22:05.30 | treke | I just got off the phone with the admin. Their going to call me back when they can look at it. |
| 22:05.48 | treke | The server is supposed to boot on its own after power outages, doesnt seem to be doing so though |
| 22:10.09 | ljp | maybe it runs windows |
| 22:12.46 | gb2 | perhaps it's fsck'ing |
| 22:12.52 | gb2 | or sitting at a failed fsck |
| 22:13.03 | gb2 | i hate when that happens |
| 22:13.42 | treke | could be. But it's happened every time it's tried booting. So something is going on. And definitly not fscking since it power was restored at 5:30 yesterday morning :p |
| 22:14.42 | gb2 | treke: "unexpected inconsistancy" |
| 22:14.52 | treke | hehe. |
| 22:15.03 | treke | Oh well. I pinged the admin again. Not much i can do but wait |
| 22:15.51 | gb2 | i've seen initscripts setup to fail after that into a state where everything is readonly but sshd is started so root can ssh in to fix things. |
| 22:16.40 | treke | yeah. ssh isnt listening |
| 22:17.53 | pb_ | treke: maybe you should invest in a UPS. |
| 22:18.09 | treke | pb_: Power goes out for hours at a time. |
| 22:18.17 | pb_ | ah. |
| 22:18.32 | treke | more of "the electric company is turning your area off for a while" |
| 22:18.47 | gb2 | kergoth: found any differences from arm-linux? |
| 22:19.04 | treke | usually happens more during the summer though. Winter is the "our internet connection dies every time it rains" |
| 22:19.06 | prpplague | treke: try running a datacenter in honduras, lol |
| 22:19.13 | treke | prpplague: Fun. |
| 22:19.28 | pb_ | treke: heh |
| 22:19.35 | prpplague | treke: we had to install a 38kw ups, and a 50kw generator |
| 22:20.01 | treke | <prpplague> Service may be temporarily interupted while we resolve a conflict with revolutionaries. |
| 22:20.25 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:21.05 | treke | <prpplague> Servers on the west side of the facility may be adversly affected by grenades |
| 22:21.15 | kergoth | gb2: a couple, but not many |
| 22:21.16 | kergoth | -db_cv_mutex=${db_cv_mutex=no} |
| 22:21.16 | kergoth | +db_cv_mutex=${db_cv_mutex=x86/gcc-assembly} |
| 22:21.20 | prpplague | treke: ha |
| 22:22.13 | gb2 | ah |
| 22:22.45 | gb2 | kergoth: i wonder if any of those would be different on uclibc |
| 22:23.13 | kergoth | hmm good question |
| 22:23.30 | kergoth | i'd expect most of those differences would be compile/link tests |
| 22:23.37 | kergoth | "build environment" issues more than target |
| 22:23.50 | kergoth | bleh, headache |
| 22:24.14 | gb2 | yeah, there are very few things that differ between the two now |
| 22:25.38 | kergoth | ah crap. |
| 22:25.40 | kergoth | bluez-sdp fails |
| 22:25.46 | kergoth | libtool issue :( |
| 22:25.59 | kergoth | -rpath /usr/lib is on the libtool line, /usr/lib gets added to our lib search path |
| 22:26.03 | kergoth | boom boom |
| 22:26.38 | kergoth | anyone feel like wading through libtool shell code for me? |
| 22:27.13 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 22:28.50 | kergoth | i'm still sick, libtool will win the battle |
| 22:29.08 | pb_ | kergoth: sucks. |
| 22:29.26 | pb_ | I wish automake didn't have this -rpath fetish. |
| 22:30.06 | treke | * #openembedded takes a step back and volunteers pb_ |
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| 22:30.40 | gb2 | heh |
| 22:30.54 | kergoth | 6,293 lines to wade through |
| 22:30.57 | kergoth | just what i wanted to do today |
| 22:31.10 | gb2 | libtool wouldn't be so bad if vim could successfully syntax highlight it |
| 22:31.18 | *** join/#openembedded pb_ (~pb@2002:5160:45ef:0:240:95ff:fe30:aa84) |
| 22:31.21 | pb_ | safe to come back now? |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:49.11 | treke | pb_: Got a parallel port console questiong for you. Is it possible to get an actually getty running on the port, or is it write only support for kernel messages? |
| 22:51.03 | kergoth | crap |
| 22:51.15 | treke | no need, went before I left |
| 22:51.30 | kergoth | /bin/sh ../arm-linux-libtool --mode=link ccache arm-linux-gcc -Wall -g -O2 -L/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -L/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -o sdpd main. |
| 22:51.38 | kergoth | mkdir .libs |
| 22:51.40 | kergoth | ccache arm-linux-gcc -Wall -g -O2 -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -o sdpd main.o request.o service.o cstate.o servicedb.o -L/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -L/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X1 |
| 22:51.48 | kergoth | /usr/lib/libbluetooth.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 22:51.50 | kergoth | note: no rpath on that line, yet its still picking up /usr/lib from somewhere :( |
| 22:52.03 | treke | ah. bluez. |
| 22:53.13 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 22:53.22 | TheMasterMind1 | bought some webcams, but doesn't seem to be any linux support for em |
| 22:53.23 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 22:53.35 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid z-star chipset |
| 22:54.12 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 22:57.31 | *** join/#openembedded prpplague (~billybob@12.148.134.14) |
| 23:00.21 | W8TVI | kergoth: cool about the thing almost working |
| 23:01.00 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 23:01.24 | W8TVI | got it? |
| 23:01.35 | kergoth | well, one of the problems |
| 23:01.39 | kergoth | theres still another one |
| 23:01.40 | prpplague | better see a doctor and get a shot |
| 23:01.40 | W8TVI | cool |
| 23:02.07 | W8TVI | just spent the last hour or so working on the roof |
| 23:02.38 | kergoth | woah |
| 23:02.41 | kergoth | it fixed both problems |
| 23:02.42 | kergoth | at once |
| 23:02.52 | gb2 | kergoth touched the magic spot |
| 23:02.57 | kergoth | yay |
| 23:06.15 | kergoth | hey look, now it fails in a completely different way |
| 23:06.17 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 23:08.14 | ljp | cool |
| 23:08.57 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 23:08.57 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 23:09.19 | mickeyl | is it me or does the latest ipkg-build enforces to have a SOURCES field in the .control. bails out if you don't have it |
| 23:09.39 | mickeyl | a warning would've been sufficient... |
| 23:09.47 | TheMasterMind1 | with ipkg, its never you |
| 23:09.57 | mickeyl | hehe, true that :) |
| 23:10.19 | kergoth | woo hoo! |
| 23:10.21 | kergoth | bluez-sdp built! |
| 23:10.30 | kergoth | yay for kicking libtool's ass |
| 23:11.26 | kergoth | yep, sure shit |
| 23:11.34 | kergoth | on occasion itd still add the libdir= from the .la |
| 23:11.43 | kergoth | my libdir-la.patch kiilled one instance of it, but not all |
| 23:13.08 | kergoth | now it adds the path that we found the .la in, but not the path the .la says it should be in |
| 23:13.12 | kergoth | hackish, but works |
| 23:20.41 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 23:20.45 | kergoth | night mickeyl |
| 23:21.05 | kergoth | agian |
| 23:21.06 | kergoth | again |
| 23:21.25 | pb_ | treke: LP_CONSOLE is write only, kernel messages. There's no standard protocol for bidirectional console, unless you use PLIP. |
| 23:22.01 | kergoth | heh. plip console. thatd be kinda cool |
| 23:22.36 | pb_ | mickeyl|away: yes, ipkg-build insists on Source: now. if you want to send a patch to add a --disable-sanity-checks option, feel free. |
| 23:23.00 | kergoth | heh, i think we evilly just patch it out atm |
| 23:23.21 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:23.47 | pb_ | I'd have thought it should be easy for you to provide a source: header, actually. You have all the source URLs on hand, right? |
| 23:24.01 | kergoth | how does Source: seperate multiple sources? |
| 23:24.12 | kergoth | we use remote sources, remote patches, local patches, .. |
| 23:24.52 | ljp | what if sources arent available? |
| 23:25.04 | kergoth | if its gpl, you're in deep shit |
| 23:25.04 | pb_ | ljp: then you lose. |
| 23:25.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:25.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:25.29 | kergoth | pb_: if you're going to use a Source header, you should probably have a License header as well |
| 23:25.40 | pb_ | kergoth: it's just a list of urls. I forget offhand how they're separated though. |
| 23:25.54 | W8TVI | oh the joys of making a totaly new build system |
| 23:26.02 | ljp | Source=not available |
| 23:26.05 | kergoth | ahhhh two simultanious glibc builds |
| 23:26.05 | pb_ | kergoth: yep, not a bad idea |
| 23:26.49 | pb_ | ljp: if the sources really aren't available, I guess you would just leave out the Source:. |
| 23:28.18 | ljp | is ipkg ever going to be made into a library? |
| 23:28.26 | gb2 | Source: http://lame-site/binary-tarball.tar.gz |
| 23:28.35 | pb_ | ljp: yes. florian is working on that. |
| 23:28.41 | ljp | awesome |
| 23:28.53 | kergoth | pb_: there an ML its being discussed on? |
| 23:29.15 | pb_ | kergoth: dunno. familiar-dev@ would be the place, but I don't know if it's actually being discussed there. |
| 23:29.22 | kergoth | k |
| 23:29.38 | kergoth | just wondering, since OE needs some of the same things (e.g. the dependency digraph) |
| 23:45.12 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a big fan of Gentoo, but I wonder sometimes how good the packaging infrastructure is |
| 23:45.30 | CosmicPenguin | In terms of people, that is |
| 23:47.36 | ljp | mmmmm espresso |
| 23:52.49 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit - they replaced the fricking fstab |
| 23:53.13 | treke | hehe. |
| 23:53.33 | treke | welcome to reason number 2 on why I don't still use gentoo :p |
| 23:54.21 | W8TVI | damn jobs around here... |
| 23:54.47 | W8TVI | eather they want years of experince, or they pay minimum wage |
| 23:55.09 | kergoth | apply anyway. |
| 23:55.36 | treke | what's the worst they can do, not give you the job? |
| 23:55.47 | kergoth | exactly. it cant hurt, and you never know. |
| 23:55.52 | W8TVI | I have been... all year |
| 23:56.04 | kergoth | my first job in computing they asked for way more than i had, but i got the job |
| 23:56.10 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:56.19 | W8TVI | no computer jobs... |
| 23:56.21 | W8TVI | here |
| 23:56.32 | W8TVI | I've been looking |
| 23:56.35 | kergoth | heh, that sucks |
| 23:56.39 | treke | <kergoth> Man I wish digi hadn't given me that job |
| 23:56.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:56.45 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:57.08 | treke | jus think, if you hadn't been at Digi, you wouldnt have spent your days bored off your ass |
| 23:57.14 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:57.15 | kergoth | exactly |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | wouldnt be where i am now |
| 23:57.21 | treke | and if you weren't bored off your ass you wouldnt have built OZ |
| 23:57.27 | W8TVI | there was one computer job back 2 years ago, but it would have been for less money than I was makign at sams club and less hours |
| 23:59.39 | Titeuf | CosmicPenguin : the main problem I can see with emerge under gentoo (and it's the same with almost all packages managers) is that dependencies may be broken when you update |