| 00:15.40 | kergoth | :q! |
| 00:15.44 | kergoth | damnit |
| 00:15.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:16.54 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 00:19.33 | ljp | haha |
| 00:19.49 | ljp | bash: :q!: command not found |
| 00:20.00 | mule | hehe |
| 00:21.04 | ljp | if you used emacs, you wouldn't have to type so much commands |
| 00:21.45 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 00:22.29 | treke | hmmm. Could do the hh conference for 600 bucks. |
| 00:22.37 | treke | but I dont think I'd be able to sleep that weekend |
| 00:24.52 | treke | ljp: I'd be leaving at 5 in LA. getting to Boston at 6am. Going to CRL at 9, then getting out again at 6 pm :p |
| 00:25.14 | chouimat | treke: huh? |
| 00:25.29 | ljp | cool. |
| 00:25.41 | ljp | not even time for a quickie |
| 00:31.02 | treke | of course I can try sleeping on the plane I guess |
| 00:31.05 | chouimat | hmmm montreal boston for 199cad but I need to stay there 3 days |
| 00:31.33 | ljp | and can try to get bumped up to business class |
| 00:32.00 | treke | yup. It also works out since I wouldnt need to take the day off from work. I could just take off a bit early |
| 00:32.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:32.48 | kergoth | the outgoing triggers didnt go when i pushed those changesets |
| 00:32.49 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:34.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:36.42 | CIA | repository=03oe user=11kergoth@direwolf.ppp.ti.com |
| 00:36.42 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.221 Update TODO |
| 00:37.11 | kergoth | hmm, the cia bits for bk only shows the top changeset |
| 00:37.20 | kergoth | thats annoying |
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| 01:02.26 | mule | if I add a package to the buildroot using the instructions, what does it need to have in the source? Sorry I'm a complete newbie. |
| 01:03.29 | ljp | it downloads the source from wherever you specify |
| 01:04.01 | mule | ok...and the source needs to just be a sourcecode and a makefile? |
| 01:04.45 | kergoth | it can be whatever you want. |
| 01:04.51 | kergoth | it just runs the targets in teh packages makefile |
| 01:04.58 | kergoth | that doesnt imply that it has to use gnu make as its buildsystem |
| 01:05.44 | mule | erm...ok you're losing me now. But that's good, so if I make a .pro file, will anything in the buildroot make me a makefile? |
| 01:05.57 | kergoth | buildroot itself doesnt do anything |
| 01:06.03 | kergoth | buildroot can build qmake, which is in opie |
| 01:06.14 | kergoth | your package makefile in buildroot can then _call_ qmake to generate your makefile from your .pro |
| 01:06.29 | kergoth | buildroot isnt as intelligent as you think, it calls the targets you create. thats it. |
| 01:06.40 | mule | ermm....ok I see. Thanks |
| 01:06.43 | kergoth | OE on the other hand has classes that can automatically do things |
| 01:07.03 | mule | cant I just use oe? |
| 01:07.07 | kergoth | for example, if you 'inherit tmake', it will automatically generate the makefile from the .pro, and if you dont have a .pro but have the right vars in th e.oe, it'll output the .pro from its own metadata |
| 01:07.11 | kergoth | yes, you can. |
| 01:07.16 | kergoth | but it doesnt havef shit for packages in it yet |
| 01:07.27 | kergoth | it'll take us a while to get everything converted to it |
| 01:07.39 | mule | ok...I'll use the buildroot. |
| 01:08.04 | mule | ermm, when I test my apps, I have to compile them for i386 right? |
| 01:08.20 | treke | depends |
| 01:08.20 | mule | yes, I really am this stupid |
| 01:08.35 | treke | is your machine an x86 based system? |
| 01:08.35 | ljp | someone needs to write a buildroot -> oe package script :) |
| 01:08.44 | mule | treke: yes |
| 01:08.54 | treke | ljp: eew |
| 01:08.58 | ljp | I compile for i686 |
| 01:09.06 | mule | yes 686 |
| 01:09.19 | ljp | i386 is so... redhat |
| 01:09.30 | mule | so how can I set that up and use the qt libraries in the buildroot? |
| 01:09.57 | ljp | look at some of the other packages Makefile |
| 01:10.01 | mule | becasue I gues I dont need the qtopia sdk |
| 01:10.15 | ljp | buildroot can build you everything you need |
| 01:10.18 | mule | ljp: I mean for testing |
| 01:10.38 | ljp | oh. hmm, not sure if it can do that. ;) |
| 01:10.57 | kergoth | ljp: noidd started on a transition script |
| 01:10.59 | kergoth | ljp: dunno how far he got |
| 01:11.03 | mule | well it installed 2 sets of qt libraries, one for the host, and one for the target |
| 01:12.12 | mule | well, it's 2 am and I want to have written at least one app by morning |
| 01:12.27 | mule | and I don't know c, but it looks easy ;/ |
| 01:16.09 | ljp | c is c++ without class |
| 01:16.54 | mule | I dont know c++ either |
| 01:17.44 | ljp | ahh, well. there's a lot of docs on the net that can help. |
| 01:17.55 | mule | yes, they are helping |
| 01:18.07 | mule | its the qpe thing thta I am having trouble with |
| 01:20.09 | ljp | there's docs for that too |
| 01:20.20 | mule | yeah at trolltech? |
| 01:20.33 | ljp | yes. and you can also kinda use the opie docs too |
| 01:21.01 | mule | my failure of understanding is all the compiler library-linking rubbish |
| 01:21.20 | mule | I'll just steal it all from some other app |
| 01:26.47 | mule | which tmake.conf should I use? |
| 01:37.04 | chouimat | night |
| 01:45.53 | kergoth | treke: good plan |
| 01:46.42 | treke | you know would would make a buttload of money? Delivery service for alcohol sales |
| 01:47.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:47.31 | kergoth | thatd rule |
| 01:47.59 | kergoth | "hey, i'll take a pepperoni pizza, thin crust, and a bottle of glenlivet" |
| 01:48.48 | treke | mmmmh. thin crust |
| 01:52.17 | gb2 | there are places you can do that |
| 01:52.42 | kergoth | there are? |
| 02:01.53 | kergoth | damnit ipaq2 |
| 02:01.56 | kergoth | STOP HANGING |
| 02:06.38 | kergoth | damnit |
| 02:06.46 | kergoth | i need this test result for the arm configure of apache |
| 02:06.49 | kergoth | grr |
| 02:06.56 | kergoth | damn cable internet is fluctuating |
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| 02:13.22 | ljp | use a flux capacitor |
| 02:15.16 | mule | why do I get an error when compiling from qpeapplication.h: error qwsDisplay undeclared (first use this function) |
| 02:15.40 | mule | I dont use that function at all |
| 02:15.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:16.05 | kergoth | qwsDisplay is in qt/e |
| 02:16.12 | kergoth | is -DQWS in your compile line? |
| 02:16.36 | mule | nope |
| 02:16.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:16.56 | kergoth | you're using the wrong TMAKEPATH |
| 02:17.07 | kergoth | or QMAKESPEC, dpeending on which you're using |
| 02:17.16 | mule | ahh...yes, I wanted to build it for my desktop |
| 02:17.32 | kergoth | yes, you want the x86 qws one |
| 02:17.38 | kergoth | one dir down |
| 02:17.49 | mule | ok |
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| 02:19.06 | mule | well actually I was just running tmake and praying it knew what it was doing |
| 02:19.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:19.40 | mule | hey we all gotta learn - and if I dont do it as root, I wont bork anything |
| 02:19.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:20.24 | kergoth | god a configure run takes a while on the ipaq cluster |
| 02:20.29 | mule | TMAKEPATH is the path to the file tmake.conf? |
| 02:20.35 | kergoth | mule: yes |
| 02:20.47 | mule | rocking |
| 02:35.06 | kergoth | we will stay down. down where we belong. |
| 02:40.11 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 02:46.35 | kergoth | i waited all that time |
| 02:46.42 | kergoth | and use of a config.cache was disabled |
| 02:46.43 | kergoth | :( |
| 02:50.58 | mule | it works!! |
| 02:51.03 | kergoth | mule: nice |
| 02:52.08 | mule | life is all about $QTDIR and $QPEDIR |
| 02:53.41 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.46 | kergoth | damn imspaste. |
| 02:53.48 | kergoth | bleh |
| 02:53.50 | kergoth | damn fingers |
| 02:53.57 | kergoth | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3626101535 |
| 02:54.03 | kergoth | ^-the height of human stupidity |
| 02:54.34 | W8TVI | Current bid: £126.99 |
| 02:54.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:59.24 | W8TVI | anyone want to buy a Sony SJ-20 & USB cradle? |
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| 03:03.26 | kergoth | woah |
| 03:03.34 | kergoth | i just realized its a monday and i'm in a good mood |
| 03:03.37 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 03:03.41 | treke|home | Chunky_Ks: haha |
| 03:03.43 | treke|home | kergoth: haha |
| 03:03.44 | ulmer | damn, it's monday? |
| 03:03.57 | W8TVI | only for one hour more |
| 03:04.35 | _Psycho_ | hehe |
| 03:04.48 | treke|home | I've still got four more hours of it |
| 03:04.57 | treke|home | good thing I have a nice full bottle :) |
| 03:05.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:05.56 | ulmer | Bottle of? |
| 03:07.05 | kergoth | treke|home: per your idea about alcohol deliveries, my dad thinks we need to rent movies and sell junk food too |
| 03:07.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:07.40 | ulmer | There is a place here (Gainesville -- college town) that delivers Kegs. |
| 03:07.54 | kergoth | see thats a good business plan there. |
| 03:08.01 | treke|home | kergoth: I think you've got yourself a winner there |
| 03:08.08 | ulmer | I guess for those people who are partying too hard to go and get the third one. |
| 03:08.10 | treke|home | ulmer: laphroaig |
| 03:08.27 | ulmer | Eh? |
| 03:08.34 | treke|home | <ulmer> Bottle of? |
| 03:08.38 | ulmer | Ahh. |
| 03:08.40 | ulmer | Danke |
| 03:09.35 | kergoth | <customer> Hey guys, i need to party in 2 hours but i dont have time to get supplies! |
| 03:09.43 | kergoth | <store> no problem, what do ya need? |
| 03:09.59 | ulmer | treke: Whisky (no e) |
| 03:10.13 | treke|home | ulmer: yup |
| 03:10.45 | ulmer | <other-cust> Dude, the only people here sober enough to drive are under age. Can you deliver? |
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| 03:12.13 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 03:12.36 | ulmer | treke: I'm a blended Whiskey guy myself, but a buddy of mine is trying to teach me to drink single-malts |
| 03:12.47 | ulmer | I don't know if he's going to make it. ;) |
| 03:12.56 | absentiaZ | yum yum got my 760 |
| 03:13.10 | ljp | I like a coffee in one hand, a good red wine in the other |
| 03:13.28 | absentiaZ | i can run every app on the base sharp os and still have 22mb ram left over |
| 03:13.37 | kergoth | ljp: i dont want to know where you put the rum bottle |
| 03:13.41 | kergoth | absentiaZ: nice. |
| 03:14.04 | absentiaZ | brunello de montechello |
| 03:14.14 | treke|home | the rum bottle is down under |
| 03:14.23 | absentiaZ | kergoth: gonna do a backup and go to oz tomrrow |
| 03:14.32 | absentiaZ | privided im not nuked or gased |
| 03:14.44 | kergoth | we really need to fix that fucking table for the qt keyboard handler |
| 03:14.49 | kergoth | now that it affects so many devices |
| 03:14.55 | treke|home | absentiaZ: Hows performance on it? |
| 03:14.58 | kergoth | maybe i'll get that done this weekend |
| 03:15.31 | absentiaZ | i got over 3 hours online with dlink 660w on 760 out of the box |
| 03:15.49 | absentiaZ | treke: perhaps its the ram .... but it flies |
| 03:15.55 | absentiaZ | i clicked on 16 aps |
| 03:16.06 | absentiaZ | took 22 seconds for them to come up |
| 03:16.12 | absentiaZ | all of them |
| 03:16.30 | treke|home | absentiaZ: noticably faster than the 700? |
| 03:16.33 | absentiaZ | i rotated the screen at the same time |
| 03:16.34 | kergoth | wonder how it compares to the c750, which also has the lack of cache bug and bus speed boost that c760 has |
| 03:16.36 | absentiaZ | yes |
| 03:16.42 | absentiaZ | very very |
| 03:16.51 | absentiaZ | but i think its just the ram |
| 03:17.01 | treke|home | kergoth: Oh the c750 has a slower bus? |
| 03:17.07 | kergoth | apps feel more responsive than the c700 on the c750 too |
| 03:17.11 | absentiaZ | faster internal bus |
| 03:17.12 | ljp | the rum bottle is held by the waitress, and poured directly into my mouth |
| 03:17.15 | kergoth | treke|home: no, the 5600 and c700 |
| 03:17.20 | absentiaZ | but external is still 50% |
| 03:17.36 | absentiaZ | ljp drunk? |
| 03:17.36 | treke|home | kergoth: ah |
| 03:17.54 | ljp | me? no. at work |
| 03:18.05 | treke|home | absentiaZ: hope not. It's only noon or so around there :) |
| 03:18.06 | absentiaZ | i lost my orig dlink, so I bought a second |
| 03:18.12 | treke|home | kergoth: What is the bus spead anyways? |
| 03:18.14 | absentiaZ | ah... hhehehe |
| 03:18.41 | absentiaZ | honk kong time? |
| 03:18.46 | absentiaZ | what time zone? |
| 03:18.48 | ljp | having to wait for Oslo to wake up so I can work on an announcemnt |
| 03:18.58 | ljp | brisbane, australia |
| 03:19.02 | absentiaZ | yup |
| 03:19.05 | absentiaZ | figured |
| 03:19.38 | absentiaZ | ok... going to read more nerve gas survuval guides |
| 03:19.50 | absentiaZ | bomb sniffing dogs were out at work today... |
| 03:19.57 | absentiaZ | let the fun begin ... |
| 03:23.21 | kergoth | ../include/apr.h:430:2: #error no decision has been made on APR_PATH_MAX for your platform |
| 03:23.24 | kergoth | hmmm. |
| 03:27.23 | kergoth | ah, PATH_MAX wasnt defined |
| 03:37.34 | absentiaZ | isn't that what it said? |
| 03:38.48 | kergoth | no, it said APR_PATH_MAX |
| 03:38.50 | kergoth | i said PATH_MAX |
| 03:38.51 | kergoth | heh |
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| 03:42.12 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 03:46.33 | absentiaZ | 1024? |
| 03:46.36 | absentiaZ | 1023? |
| 03:46.48 | absentiaZ | or is it now 65535? |
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| 03:52.01 | w8tvi_ | An American, a Scot and a Canadian were in a terrible car accident. They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of them died before they arrived. Just as they were about to put the toe tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes. Astonished, the doctors and nurses present asked him what happened. Well," said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and t |
| 03:52.01 | w8tvi_ | he Scot and I were standing at the gates of heaven. St.Peter approached us and said that we were all too young to die, and said that for a donation of $50, we could return to earth. So of course I pulled out my wallet and gave him the $50, and the next thing I knew I was back here." "That's amazing!" said the one of the doctors, "But what happened to the other two?" Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over the |
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| 03:53.49 | ulmer | w8tvi: beatiful |
| 03:54.00 | ulmer | err... beautiful |
| 03:54.23 | w8tvi_ | :) |
| 03:54.44 | bipolar | lol |
| 03:59.49 | mule | how big should icons be please? |
| 04:00.40 | ljp | big enough to see, yet small enough to not cover the entire screen |
| 04:00.59 | mule | ermm...is there a default size? |
| 04:08.26 | kergoth | bleh, i need to pull over the host build tools into OE |
| 04:08.30 | kergoth | libtool is blowing shit up |
| 04:09.36 | absentiaZ | are there any keys for page up/down?-in netfront? |
| 04:09.39 | ulmer | kergoth: don't feel bad, it does that on AIX too... ;) |
| 04:09.57 | kergoth | libtool always blows shit up |
| 04:10.01 | kergoth | its not like i'm surprised |
| 04:10.16 | kergoth | sockopt.c:256: error: `SCTP_NODELAY' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 04:10.18 | kergoth | bah |
| 04:10.21 | kergoth | where the hell is that declared |
| 04:10.48 | ulmer | kergoth: did you STCP_NODEPAY? That I believe... |
| 04:10.52 | ulmer | err delay. |
| 04:11.08 | ulmer | kergoth: between the two of us we can almost type. |
| 04:11.19 | absentiaZ | ? |
| 04:11.27 | absentiaZ | no? |
| 04:15.16 | ljp | depends on where the icons are - taskbar are 16x16 I think. |
| 04:15.27 | ljp | launcher are 32x32 |
| 04:15.32 | ljp | I think |
| 04:17.51 | kergoth | ah crap |
| 04:17.54 | kergoth | stupid fucking buildsystems |
| 04:18.13 | kergoth | ~lart apr |
| 04:19.48 | ljp | sounds like a personal problem |
| 04:20.01 | ljp | needs packages |
| 04:20.12 | ljp | I should update this oe here |
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| 04:34.27 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.11 | ljp | just doing my job |
| 04:42.33 | bipolar | hmmm... it *seems* that the KDE in debian sid has the required librarys that kitchensync needs. So I can create a package that does not overwrite any files. |
| 05:01.58 | kergoth | grr. |
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| 05:23.54 | kergoth | damnit |
| 05:23.56 | kergoth | apache needs pcre? |
| 05:24.02 | kergoth | how many damn items do i have to add to OE today |
| 05:24.35 | W8TVI | too many |
| 05:26.33 | ljp | all of them, till I can build opie with it, damn it! |
| 05:30.32 | kergoth | i dont think you need apache's dependencies to build opie |
| 05:30.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:31.36 | mule | the way oz is going <cough> <hide> |
| 05:33.03 | kergoth | ~fishslap mule |
| 05:33.04 | | ACTION slaps mule up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:33.16 | mule | how can I pipe continuously to a file in linux? |
| 05:33.42 | ljp | | |
| 05:34.19 | mule | yes, but continuosly...I am oing to check tee, is it on oz? |
| 05:35.00 | kergoth | yes, it is |
| 05:35.12 | mule | bravo |
| 05:35.21 | ljp | I'm bored. maybe I will add some stuff to opie |
| 05:41.54 | ljp | hmm, howszabout opie-bartender |
| 05:43.25 | kergoth | heh, okay, we can use OE to build apache 2.0.47 now |
| 05:43.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:44.08 | mule | that's funny |
| 05:44.25 | kergoth | that was easier than you'd expect. |
| 05:44.34 | kergoth | i love adding auto* and tmake/qmake packages to oe |
| 05:44.41 | kergoth | the existing classes do all the work |
| 05:44.50 | kergoth | fille in source var, S var, save, build |
| 05:44.53 | kergoth | s/fille/fill/ |
| 05:44.59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:46.00 | ljp | its funny seeing yer boss drink a beer at work |
| 05:46.18 | kergoth | thats weird |
| 05:46.22 | ljp | :) |
| 05:46.47 | ljp | ya, I would except to see him drinking rum |
| 05:46.54 | ljp | oh, no. thats me |
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| 06:34.46 | kergoth | hm. |
| 06:34.56 | ljp | hmm. |
| 06:35.14 | kergoth | i should setup a minimal chroot dev env for buildroot/oe runs, to make sure some packages arent inappropriately depending on things in the build machine |
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| 06:37.13 | ljp | that migh tbe a good idea |
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| 08:08.16 | Twiun | good morning |
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| 08:15.37 | ljp | is it? |
| 08:16.51 | Twiun | absolutely |
| 08:17.11 | ljp | hmmm.. thats odd |
| 08:17.20 | ljp | I was thinking about going home. |
| 08:17.34 | ljp | does that mean I have to stay another 8 hours?! |
| 08:18.14 | Twiun | sounds about right. I'm obviously your boss and I say you should be working european TT times |
| 08:18.47 | ljp | ugh.. sometimes I need too |
| 08:22.33 | Twiun | conf calls? |
| 08:23.27 | ljp | no. usually emails |
| 08:25.04 | Twiun | why does that force you to work eu times though? |
| 08:29.44 | ljp | it doesn't just sometimes like to hear back before I leave for the say |
| 08:29.46 | ljp | day |
| 08:32.03 | Twiun | bah - why can't they just wait like the res of us :) |
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| 08:52.55 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for cmartin: I fixed Opie BRANCH_1_0, you can start preparing OpenSIMpad release candidates. |
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| 09:07.40 | Twiun | hey mickeyl, schurig |
| 09:12.14 | schurig | Twiun: hi 2u2! |
| 09:13.03 | mickeyl | hi Twiun |
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| 09:14.49 | stief | hi all |
| 09:16.06 | Twiun | hey stief |
| 09:22.10 | stief | hiya Twiun how are you doing ? |
| 09:24.25 | Twiun | not bad, battling with crappy code at work :) |
| 09:24.41 | Twiun | you? |
| 09:29.08 | stief | battling lamers at work, but i'm in bofh mode |
| 09:29.10 | stief | :P |
| 09:29.30 | stief | you work in the embedded world ? |
| 09:36.14 | Twiun | not at the moment - working in java1.1 though - so it's almost the same thing |
| 09:36.35 | Twiun | my OS stuff is for embedded deployment |
| 10:10.49 | stief | you have your own OS ? |
| 10:11.41 | Twiun | OS==open source ;) |
| 10:12.07 | Twiun | There's no way I'd have enough time to devote to a whole OS :P |
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| 10:24.44 | schurig | anybody here with a PXA device? |
| 10:26.44 | SuKoShi | yup |
| 10:27.41 | stief | Twiun: hehehe okee :) |
| 10:28.13 | stief | anybody in here with a super-H ? |
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| 11:00.06 | Twiun | I tell you, some developers need some serious brainpan adjustment |
| 11:07.02 | stief | brainpan adjustment ? Hehehe |
| 11:07.43 | Twiun | let's say that I think a lobotomy would be wasted |
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| 11:24.12 | Twiun | anyone have a link to the userfriendly cluebat highlights? |
| 11:24.42 | cmartin | mickeyl, ping |
| 11:25.32 | mickeyl | pong |
| 11:26.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: what did you do in Opie_1_0_BRANCH? |
| 11:26.55 | mickeyl | cmartin: well... i fixed it, so that you actually can execute applications. which is a good thing :D |
| 11:27.25 | mickeyl | cmartin: you couldn't start _any_ app prior to that fix |
| 11:27.52 | cmartin | no quicklaunch apps - i could start konqueror though |
| 11:28.28 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes - quicklaunch apps. it turned out to be a combination of packaging and dumb QLibrary. |
| 11:33.46 | cmartin | mickeyl: so i can remove the "cvsdate=" line in the Makefile and rebuild Opie? |
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| 11:38.39 | mickeyl | y |
| 11:38.51 | cmartin | k, will do |
| 11:48.00 | mickeyl | if everything runs fine on your test, then I'll look after VT switching. if that proves to be ok, then i'd say "go" for the release. |
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| 11:50.06 | mickeyl | cmartin: btw., any news re. skeye ? |
| 11:55.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: no, I will contact them again. My Problem is that I forgot to backup my mail folder when I installed Debian. |
| 11:55.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: that means I have no eMail Addresses or past Mails |
| 11:56.12 | cmartin | mickeyl: but i will contact my first contact person there and find out the address of the guy doing the kernel development |
| 11:57.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: it's pretty embarassing, but i have no other chance - this is also the reason i can't contact those people, who offered to do some documentation |
| 11:58.02 | cmartin | mickeyl: have any idea how i could let them know they should contact me again, so i can get them connected? |
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| 11:59.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: how 'bout a RFD (request for documentation) in both the english and the german forum? If they're still around, then they probably monitor the forum. |
| 12:00.04 | cmartin | sounds good, i'll try that |
| 12:01.09 | cmartin | maybe I could set up a seperate topic afterward where the documentation people could communicate there ideas |
| 12:01.55 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:03.07 | cmartin | mickeyl: is there a way to just update my opie sourcetree after using the cvsdate= line yesterday - or do i have to delete source/opie and pull the whole tree again? |
| 12:03.56 | cmartin | mickeyl: a cvs up would just update the cvsdated tree, right? |
| 12:04.12 | mickeyl | go into your sources directory in update manual |
| 12:04.16 | mickeyl | s/in/and |
| 12:06.03 | cmartin | mickeyl: you mean go into the sources DIR and run "cvs up" - but wouldn't that just update the tree with the cvsdate tag or is that only sent from the buildroot and not remembered by my sources DIR |
| 12:10.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: k, didn't see anything in the CVS Directory with that dat tag, so i suppose cvs up will get the most recent version |
| 12:10.51 | cmartin | s / dat / date |
| 12:15.18 | mickeyl | cvs only remebers BRANCH tags, not date |
| 12:15.28 | mickeyl | so cvs up downloads the most current BRANCH |
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| 12:28.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: i get an error on building - Unable to open /home/simpad/opensimpad-BRANCH/build/opie/core/tools/config.in for writing |
| 12:28.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: the directory build/opie/core/tools isn't there |
| 12:28.47 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:28.52 | mickeyl | cvs update -Pd ? |
| 12:29.07 | cmartin | i'll try |
| 12:29.35 | mickeyl | -Pd should be in your .cvsrc :D |
| 12:29.40 | mickeyl | add it if its not there |
| 12:30.32 | cmartin | i have no .cvsrc, only .cvspass |
| 12:30.45 | mickeyl | time to add one :) |
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| 12:31.16 | cmartin | with only -Pd as the contents? |
| 12:34.36 | mickeyl | no |
| 12:35.05 | mickeyl | mickeyl@gandalf:~$ cat ~/.cvsrc |
| 12:35.05 | mickeyl | cvs -l |
| 12:35.05 | mickeyl | diff -udN |
| 12:35.05 | mickeyl | update -Pd |
| 12:37.22 | cmartin | k, thanx - i didn't have that before and "cvs up" work fine - strange |
| 12:37.28 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:37.44 | cmartin | hi chouimat |
| 12:38.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: not strange at all |
| 12:38.33 | mickeyl | cmartin: man cvs |
| 12:38.33 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:48.17 | stief | the linux distro for zaurus is is freely availible ? |
| 12:48.31 | stief | i mean, if i buy a zaurus can i reinstall the OS on it ? |
| 12:49.30 | Twiun | certainly |
| 12:49.46 | Twiun | that why OpenZaurus came about |
| 12:50.37 | stief | cool, i'm thinking about buying one |
| 12:50.48 | stief | but OpenZaurus is allready installed when i buy it right ? |
| 12:51.00 | Twiun | you've got the wrong end of the stick |
| 12:51.13 | Twiun | OpenZaurus is itself a replacement for the default linux installation |
| 12:51.31 | stief | ahhhh okee |
| 12:51.37 | Twiun | the Zaurus comes preinstalled with a Sharp-customised linux distro |
| 12:51.51 | stief | let me google for openzaurus :) |
| 12:51.58 | Twiun | www.openzaurus.org :) |
| 12:52.15 | stief | cool :) you have a zaurus ? |
| 12:53.23 | Twiun | Yup, one of the early models: a Zaurus 5000d |
| 12:53.41 | stief | damn looks cool |
| 12:53.42 | Twiun | I don't really use it as a PDA though ;) |
| 12:53.53 | stief | more as a pocket linux pc ? :) |
| 12:53.54 | Twiun | mostly for development or reading ebooks |
| 12:54.21 | Twiun | yeah - I'm thinking of getting a c760 for the keyboard... much easier to type with it :) |
| 12:56.13 | chouimat | Twiun: $$$$ :) |
| 12:56.40 | stief | does the default linux zaurus distro suck ? |
| 12:56.42 | Twiun | chouimat: when I get paid at the end of this month, I'll be able to pay off CC, overdraft and still have extra to afford that :) |
| 12:57.10 | Twiun | stief: it's improved since the first release but it's still not perfect |
| 12:57.23 | chouimat | Twiun: ok |
| 12:58.39 | stief | Twiun: is it uC/linux that run on there ? |
| 12:59.56 | Twiun | stief: nope although someone is working on that |
| 13:00.10 | stief | Twiun: native linux ? which arch ? |
| 13:00.12 | Twiun | stief: just a normal linux distro with ARM patches |
| 13:00.12 | stief | arm ? |
| 13:00.18 | Twiun | yup |
| 13:00.30 | stief | ah so it has a MMU ? |
| 13:01.53 | Twiun | I don't know things down to that level - but someone will :) |
| 13:02.44 | stief | okee :) |
| 13:02.49 | stief | just curious |
| 13:02.57 | Twiun | stief: note that I specialise in Java, my C/C++ is pretty rudimentary as well... |
| 13:03.35 | stief | chouimat: that's really fast :) |
| 13:03.45 | Twiun | chouimat: btw, I gave up on using JMS for that other project.... it's just way too overengineered |
| 13:04.07 | chouimat | Twiun: jms? |
| 13:04.38 | schurig | stief: yes, it has a MMU |
| 13:05.04 | stief | schurig: ah okee thanks :) |
| 13:05.15 | schurig | JMS = java merde system (with the second word in french) |
| 13:05.19 | stief | schurig: there isn't much reason to have uC/linux then right ? |
| 13:05.52 | chouimat | schurig: you don't need to add merde to java, it's redundant :) |
| 13:05.57 | mickeyl | no - except you have really tight space constraints |
| 13:06.00 | Twiun | chouimat: Java Messaging System |
| 13:06.10 | chouimat | Twiun: ok |
| 13:06.16 | schurig | no, uCLinux doesn#t make sense. Twiun confused uCLinux with uclibc |
| 13:06.20 | Twiun | chouimat: it does all the pub.sub and p2p stuff |
| 13:06.34 | Twiun | schurig: oops :) |
| 13:06.44 | schurig | someone was working on uclibc, the very small c library (compared to glibc) |
| 13:06.46 | Twiun | entirely expected I suppose :) |
| 13:07.14 | mickeyl | uclibc work is on hold until andersee fixes his toolchain build. |
| 13:07.20 | mickeyl | that's the only thing holding us back |
| 13:10.03 | schurig | mickeyl: I have more and more the impression that we should stitch all of those roll-your-own-buildroot attempts and use Dan Kegel's scripts instead |
| 13:10.04 | chouimat | hmmm 2.6.0-test55-mm1 is out |
| 13:10.15 | Twiun | stief: interested in developing or just linux as a convenient OS? |
| 13:10.55 | mickeyl | schurig: what scripts? |
| 13:11.09 | mickeyl | test-55 ? |
| 13:11.12 | mickeyl | man are they quick ;) |
| 13:11.44 | schurig | I just bk pulled linux-2.5-test5 |
| 13:12.00 | chouimat | test5 keyboard problem here |
| 13:13.45 | stief | Twiun: devlopping accutally, i wanna learn embedded linux |
| 13:15.41 | mickeyl | good. we need kernel hackers |
| 13:17.02 | chouimat | hmmmm |
| 13:17.08 | mickeyl | no no |
| 13:17.23 | mickeyl | finishing 2.4.21-cl1 for Collie is more important :D |
| 13:17.41 | Twiun | and probably less complex? |
| 13:17.44 | schurig | hehe, everyone has his private pet |
| 13:18.32 | Twiun | Anyone fancy prioritising kergoth todo list and/or consolidating all the various TODO lists? |
| 13:18.46 | Twiun | s/kergoth/kergoth's/ |
| 13:19.03 | mickeyl | Anyone even |
| 13:19.04 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 13:19.57 | Twiun | sure you don't mean 'Anyone to Twiun'? |
| 13:20.04 | Twiun | and I can't anyway :) |
| 13:20.20 | Twiun | otherwise I'd have volunteered |
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| 13:21.57 | Twiun | Hi Dan |
| 13:22.15 | DanWilliams | hey Twiun |
| 13:27.31 | mickeyl | IMO finishing 2.4.21-cl1 should really have top priority |
| 13:27.42 | mickeyl | otherwise we will lose users to other ROMS |
| 13:27.50 | mickeyl | even to the SharpROM because it feels so much better with 2.4.18 |
| 13:28.46 | absentia | ? |
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| 13:32.58 | chouimat | hi plague |
| 13:34.54 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
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| 13:39.13 | mickeyl | ibot: oz scripts |
| 13:39.14 | | mickeyl: no idea |
| 13:39.18 | mickeyl | ibot: scripts |
| 13:39.19 | | mickeyl: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:39.23 | mickeyl | hm |
| 13:39.31 | mickeyl | ibot: ozscripts |
| 13:39.32 | | ozscripts is, like, function ozclean() { rm -rf $stamps/.$1.*; make SUBDIRS=packages/$1 clean-sources; make SUBDIRS=packages/$1 clean-sourcetrees; }, or function ozmake() { make SUBDIRS=packages/$1; }, or function oznew() { ozclean $1 && ozmake $1; } |
| 13:39.34 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:40.53 | stief | schurig: PXA ? what's that :) |
| 13:41.11 | prpplague | ibot: pxa |
| 13:41.12 | | i haven't a clue, prpplague |
| 13:41.18 | prpplague | ibot: pxa255 |
| 13:41.19 | | pxa255 is, like, http://developer.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/252780.htm or a pxa250 with the write back cache fixed |
| 13:42.15 | absentia | what is a "writeback cache" |
| 13:42.22 | absentia | how does it work? what is it supposed to provide? etc? |
| 13:47.17 | Twiun | ibot: a writeback cache is a magic microchip functionality. |
| 13:47.17 | | okay, Twiun |
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| 14:04.12 | Twiun | hey Tim |
| 14:04.38 | Twiun | lol, the invasion of the ti workers... |
| 14:05.37 | TimRiker | ~lart Twiun |
| 14:06.21 | absentia | asdf |
| 14:06.35 | absentia | sometimes, linux pisses me off |
| 14:06.52 | Twiun | as opposed to always being pissed of at Windows? |
| 14:07.00 | Twiun | or is there no correlation? |
| 14:07.11 | absentia | tw: exactly! |
| 14:07.23 | absentia | I'd rather put up with a system where I know... if I look.. I can find out how not to be poissed off |
| 14:07.37 | absentia | rather than just being forced to deal with the fact that I can't ever fix the blows.... |
| 14:08.03 | absentia | I prefer kde, but I'm investigating gnome as an alternative to windows as a corporate desk top |
| 14:08.11 | absentia | to me, gnome feels like a cage. |
| 14:08.33 | Twiun | I've been using a raw ssh session for a few weeks now - I'm much happier :) |
| 14:08.53 | absentia | ya... this is work... at home, I used solaris/cde and freebsd + kde |
| 14:09.26 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.32 | absentia | that's pretty funny. |
| 14:10.50 | Twiun | nice! |
| 14:10.57 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:11.06 | Twiun | they might well release later models by the time I get enough $$$ to buy one |
| 14:11.14 | absentia | I clicked on 16 apps... from the app screen... as fast as I could... and it only took 22 seconds for them ALL to come up. |
| 14:11.35 | absentia | ya, I bought the 700 a month before the 750/760 were announced |
| 14:12.18 | absentia | I also got like 3 hours of wifi from the 760 + dlink 660w... out of the box... I've chared full and I'll do better tests.... |
| 14:13.29 | absentia | I thought dynamism was in CA, but they're in IL |
| 14:13.55 | Twiun | whenever I get that device I'll stick my eth card in there - and use it specifically for ssh - instead of having a window on my desktop |
| 14:14.14 | absentia | ? |
| 14:14.16 | absentia | what device? |
| 14:15.44 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok, a new image is on my simpad - here's my first comments.... |
| 14:15.51 | Twiun | the c760 is there isn't a newer one by then :) |
| 14:15.58 | Twiun | cmartin: BOOM? |
| 14:16.23 | absentia | ah |
| 14:16.30 | cmartin | mickeyl: like i said yesterday - the keyboard spans the whole screen again |
| 14:16.31 | absentia | I don't get it... n ethernet so you won't have to have a window ? |
| 14:16.33 | absentia | what does that mean ? |
| 14:17.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: the console is still behind Opie - a cursor is blinking at the bottom right and when i put in a PCMCIA card the screen is garbled by kernel messages |
| 14:18.08 | absentia | who is the nick of th guy who does the zdebian... who has the site in .it ? |
| 14:18.21 | cmartin | Twiun: ? |
| 14:18.23 | Twiun | absentia: I use windows on my laptop, with an ssh window on it. I'm seeing myself use a c760 as a ssh-only terminal next to the laptop :) |
| 14:18.25 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: Hello |
| 14:18.49 | Twiun | cmartin: you went: "Here are my first comments..." and I went BOOM! Meaning something went wrong straight away :) |
| 14:18.51 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: Is it you that own the yopy.org web site ? |
| 14:18.55 | TimRikerHome | yes |
| 14:18.56 | absentia | ok |
| 14:19.17 | cmartin | Twiun: just a few minor things ;) |
| 14:19.43 | TimRikerHome | ~nslookup yopy.org |
| 14:19.49 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: I'am Amrein-Marie Christophe. One of the many people that should have ask you about yopy.org futur |
| 14:19.49 | TimRikerHome | ~nslookup sf.net |
| 14:20.14 | TimRikerHome | yopy.org is now hosted on SF.net |
| 14:20.38 | TimRikerHome | you interested in doing something with it? I'll add you to the SF project if you like and you can set up stuff there. |
| 14:21.08 | CAMCAM | What is the link ? |
| 14:21.18 | TimRikerHome | link? http://yopy.org/ ? |
| 14:21.32 | TimRikerHome | (or http://www.yopy.org/) |
| 14:22.22 | CAMCAM | There I find the old page with "Does the Yopy Suck?" and so on.. Is it correct ? |
| 14:23.46 | TimRikerHome | yep. that's all that is there at present. I'll edit in a SF link now... |
| 14:23.46 | CAMCAM | With links to http://elinux.org/, http://users.pandora.be/wouter.verhelst/yopy.html and http://rikers.org/ |
| 14:24.56 | CAMCAM | What do you espect of this new SF web site ? |
| 14:26.16 | TimRikerHome | ugh... /me forgets how to login to a new group.... |
| 14:26.37 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: updated jffs2 images for the yopy. |
| 14:26.59 | TimRikerHome | would be nice to get openembedded working for the yopy and point to the build tree. |
| 14:27.13 | CAMCAM | Yes. |
| 14:27.52 | CAMCAM | I would be happy to see a free and complet linux distribution for Yopy |
| 14:28.08 | CAMCAM | How about Debian ARM ? |
| 14:28.38 | CAMCAM | Why should we need OZ or Familiar ? |
| 14:28.57 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: sf link added. refresh to see it. |
| 14:29.42 | TimRikerHome | debian-arm is too large for internal flash. OZ/OE or familiar are much better suited to internal flash. |
| 14:30.07 | CAMCAM | There so much personnal Links on this page ;) |
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| 14:30.37 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: I have here a Debian image that use only 18 Mo with X11 and all debian tools |
| 14:30.40 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: not the opy sucks page, just the http://yopy.org/ page. |
| 14:31.03 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: I have a 4M image with X11 and pcmcia-cs (includes the kernel) |
| 14:31.43 | CAMCAM | Using Gmate image for base ? |
| 14:31.57 | TimRikerHome | nope. that's a TuxScreen based image |
| 14:33.07 | CAMCAM | What would be great in my point of view is to see a complet Debian compatible distrib |
| 14:33.26 | CAMCAM | I don't know if TuxScreen can use all Debian package easily |
| 14:34.26 | TimRikerHome | no TuxScreen cannot. it can pivot_root to a debian distro, but not install packages from there. different c libs. |
| 14:35.07 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: To have all in jffs2 on YP3000, you send serial commands to the boot loader, doesn't you ? |
| 14:36.04 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: I had mine booting into a jffs2 image. I had to send the image over in the bootloader. zmodem iirc. |
| 14:36.13 | CAMCAM | Complet Debian compatibility like Intimate... And the community only have to reduce .deb size |
| 14:36.23 | CAMCAM | ok |
| 14:36.53 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: that's fine with me. a yopy debian bootstrap image would be nice. |
| 14:37.06 | TimRikerHome | an OE build would also be nice. ;-) |
| 14:37.34 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 14:37.37 | CAMCAM | As I'm French... What do you mean by OE ? |
| 14:37.52 | CAMCAM | Sorry, OpenEmbbedde |
| 14:37.55 | CAMCAM | d |
| 14:40.37 | CAMCAM | I have at present a Yopy 3700 an iPaq and a SL-C760. I don't know if OE is the best choice for all of them... Apparently, Debian support Familiar team on their web site... |
| 14:41.19 | absentia | f'n shit |
| 14:41.24 | absentia | externe.net is getting so slow |
| 14:41.30 | absentia | took 16 seconds to generate that page |
| 14:41.34 | absentia | tht's just unacceptable. |
| 14:42.19 | CAMCAM | It takes 15 s before I can see what I have posted ;) |
| 14:42.53 | CAMCAM | More traffic ? |
| 14:43.46 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: You work at present on this OE port ? |
| 14:44.17 | CAMCAM | I see you CV so I was thinking that it's possible... :) |
| 14:45.12 | absentia | ok |
| 14:45.14 | absentia | it just got much faster |
| 14:45.15 | TimRikerHome | CV? |
| 14:45.27 | absentia | cirriculum vitae |
| 14:45.29 | absentia | resume |
| 14:45.35 | Twiun | absentia: killed the 4 quake servers running on there? |
| 14:45.40 | CAMCAM | yes |
| 14:45.49 | CAMCAM | Twiun ;) |
| 14:45.51 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: kergoth has been working on OE for non-zaurus devices lately. no yopy support yet, but I could lend him a device to test on. |
| 14:46.12 | absentia | tw: is that what it was?! :-) I'm just trying to post to my faq.. if you go to the FAQ page, which people seem to be ignoring... and go to the bottom, there's a link "ThatsNotAll" ... that's where I'm putting all my zaurus info |
| 14:46.31 | absentia | I'm trying to find sukoshi's feed url now... |
| 14:46.36 | absentia | gonna put some info regarding the 760 |
| 14:47.12 | CAMCAM | TimRikerHome: It could be very interesting. I don't know how to help as I'm a newbie in Linux programming in general |
| 14:47.27 | CAMCAM | I just work at present on Opie French TRanslation |
| 14:47.53 | killefiz | ahh - yeah ... more tasks for kergoth |
| 14:48.01 | absentia | hey killefiz.... |
| 14:48.53 | CAMCAM | killefiz: It's not easy. People here on mailing list have paint for me a bad image of kergoth |
| 14:49.06 | Twiun | killefiz: sure, why not? He's got those 8 hours or so at night... give him enough caffeine and he won't need sleep :) |
| 14:49.37 | TimRikerHome | CAMCAM: he's just overworked. ;-/ |
| 14:49.42 | Twiun | CAMCAM: he's just very busy and irritable - but a nice guy :) |
| 14:49.51 | killefiz | CAMCAM: just hang out here and make yourself you own picture ... kergot is a nice guy - just overtasked |
| 14:50.27 | CAMCAM | Why people don't help him then ? What is there main problem with kergoth choice ? |
| 14:50.50 | Twiun | he's being helped, but even with that help there's still a lot to be done |
| 14:51.04 | Twiun | and there's a steep learning curve |
| 14:51.12 | killefiz | oe/oz/opie has way too few developers |
| 14:52.05 | killefiz | maybe that is not really true: there seem to be a lot of developers - they're just not organized |
| 14:52.42 | CAMCAM | So they need a good leadership |
| 14:52.44 | killefiz | zsi lists 985 applications |
| 14:56.09 | CAMCAM | Twiun :) |
| 14:58.59 | absentia | kille: agreed. |
| 14:59.12 | absentia | kille: example... the home page isn't updated NEARLY enough. |
| 14:59.14 | absentia | the documentation is out of date |
| 14:59.29 | killefiz | zsi needs work |
| 14:59.31 | absentia | does something work on the c700 and not the 750? the 760 and not the 700? who knows! have to try it to find out. |
| 14:59.37 | absentia | what's zsi ? |
| 14:59.40 | killefiz | ibot: zsi |
| 15:00.03 | killefiz | zaurus software index |
| 15:04.21 | absentia | kill: ah! |
| 15:04.37 | absentia | killefiz: I miss the ability to search on killfiz for the lat XX entries |
| 15:04.44 | absentia | if I miss the current screen, I miss new apps! |
| 15:05.02 | absentia | I try to go their daily, and most of the time apps appear every other day or third day, but then sometimes, it seems like 15 appear at once |
| 15:05.10 | killefiz | add your wishes here: http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/zsiDoneRight |
| 15:05.29 | absentia | it would also be good, I think, to have a reviewers paragraph... and or icons for 700 comat, 750 comat, 760 compat |
| 15:05.37 | absentia | also, a lot of directions just don't seem complete. |
| 15:05.55 | absentia | like the xu4 and exult... some of the instructions are VERY details, and yet still miss information. |
| 15:06.38 | CAMCAM | killefiz: Most applications from killefiz.de work for Sharp ROM or OE ? |
| 15:06.40 | killefiz | absentia: click on "edit entry" and add the missing information |
| 15:06.57 | absentia | ok |
| 15:06.58 | absentia | going there now. |
| 15:06.59 | killefiz | CAMCAM: you'll have to try |
| 15:07.01 | absentia | ya... |
| 15:07.11 | absentia | I run twiki here at work... and use the wiki at externe.net extensively. |
| 15:07.15 | absentia | see me page: |
| 15:07.57 | killefiz | CAMCAM: the plan is to have a new csi code that lists working hardware/software combinations |
| 15:08.08 | absentia | http://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/ThatsNotAll |
| 15:08.12 | absentia | im editing that right now |
| 15:08.18 | absentia | kille: great! |
| 15:08.24 | absentia | kill: what is the code? perl, php? python? |
| 15:08.28 | absentia | bbiam |
| 15:10.44 | killefiz | absentia: php |
| 15:12.27 | gb2 | oh cool. new uClibc version |
| 15:12.38 | kergoth | did busybox pre3 release also? |
| 15:13.11 | absentia | ah |
| 15:13.14 | absentia | I don't know php |
| 15:13.40 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:14.19 | gb2 | kergoth: doesn't look like it |
| 15:14.51 | mule | why doesnt 'auto lo' in /etc/network/interfaces bring the loopback device up on boot in oz? |
| 15:14.57 | absentia | should'nt the openzaurus refs all be changed to openembedded? |
| 15:15.02 | absentia | killefiz? |
| 15:15.22 | kergoth | absentia: no. |
| 15:15.43 | kergoth | openzaurus is just hte zaurus incarnation of oe, and its name is well knwon enough that itd be foolish to ditch |
| 15:16.01 | mule | is that a known problem that lo doesnt come up on the first oz boot after flashing? |
| 15:16.21 | koyote | hrm |
| 15:16.24 | kergoth | mule: only first boot? |
| 15:16.31 | mule | then I run ifup |
| 15:16.40 | mule | and reboot, then it's fine |
| 15:16.47 | kergoth | mule: must be something that happens in the package reconfiguring that interferes or something |
| 15:16.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:16.59 | kergoth | if you flash, dont bring it up manually ,and reboot, does it come up fine? |
| 15:17.08 | mule | ermm..I will test that |
| 15:17.11 | kergoth | k |
| 15:17.19 | koyote | I've got problems with occasional power cycling. but I think I need to not worry about that until I've got something more stable. |
| 15:18.07 | absentia | kergoth: is there any way I can help with the openzaurus stuff? pages? |
| 15:18.22 | absentia | I find it... disappointing that it seems so idle, up front. |
| 15:19.05 | kergoth | docs need writing, faqs need updating, packages need converting to the new system |
| 15:19.11 | kergoth | i could go on |
| 15:19.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:20.12 | absentia | I know.... I know more about the system now so, unlike before where I felt it was wrong for me to wrote docs, I feel that now I can at least start to contribute |
| 15:20.21 | koyote | kergoth: so, what's the order? I'm not sure how the new system works, but what part of install doc needs to wait, what needs to be updated now? |
| 15:20.23 | absentia | and the more I do, the closer I would become to the system and thus the better the documentation and info would be, etc. |
| 15:20.37 | prh | kergoth: what new system? |
| 15:21.17 | gb2 | so, the next OZ is going to use the OE build system? |
| 15:22.37 | absentia | kille: check the page -- are my edits ok ? |
| 15:22.52 | absentia | yes, converting.... |
| 15:22.56 | absentia | prh: from sharp to oz. |
| 15:23.10 | absentia | for instance, I still don't know the difference between a NAND backup and the "backup" option. |
| 15:23.16 | absentia | it's not clearly explained. |
| 15:23.34 | absentia | I have a fresh 760 now... I want to backup the ENTIRE THING... shouldn't I go NAND? is that too low level? |
| 15:23.35 | absentia | etc. |
| 15:23.37 | prh | absentia: uhh |
| 15:23.50 | killefiz | absentia: what did you edit? |
| 15:23.57 | absentia | now I'm comfortable trashign my 700 .... I don't have to have it be "usable" anymore. |
| 15:24.03 | absentia | the doneright url |
| 15:24.27 | killefiz | ahh ok - i'll check it later |
| 15:24.34 | absentia | :-/ |
| 15:24.34 | absentia | ok |
| 15:24.58 | absentia | I notice thw first word or so was "whishlist" .. was that supposed to be "wishlist" ? I changed that. |
| 15:26.49 | absentia | kille: how stable/secure is the file area there? I see a lot of places that all seem to link back to your site... are there any mirrors in the workings? |
| 15:27.02 | CAMCAM | absentia: The NAND backup save the entire 128 Mo flash. All partitions and also the bootloader... ;) (wih Sharp secret tools) |
| 15:27.28 | kergoth | gb2: yes. we'll probably do one more release with the current system, then its 100% focus on the transition |
| 15:27.34 | absentia | aha, found zsi2 |
| 15:27.37 | kergoth | gb2: it'll take time to get all the packages con0verted |
| 15:27.42 | kergoth | converted |
| 15:27.59 | kergoth | brb, need to drop by starbucks before i fall asleep |
| 15:28.14 | absentia | camcam: yes... but what are the steps to do so on a 700? what about on a 760? is there a difference? how do you restore? etc. |
| 15:28.38 | absentia | seems to me that people should take the extra step to md5sum the files... write them out to cd with checksum, etc. |
| 15:29.04 | absentia | ok, zsi2 has top 25 and top 100 |
| 15:29.18 | absentia | er, most recent 25 and most recent 100 |
| 15:30.36 | prh | gb2: is he talking about moving away from ipkg? |
| 15:31.01 | mule | kergoth: the loopback is up after reboot without doing anything |
| 15:31.29 | mule | kergoth: cant a postinst script just run ifup? |
| 15:31.36 | mule | or ifconfig |
| 15:33.01 | absentia | kergoth, do you realize that the openzaurus site doesn't even render correctly on the netfront 3.0 on the 760 ? |
| 15:33.33 | koyote | that's not good |
| 15:35.19 | absentia | it's not a big thing -- the buttons on the left come up ove the text and boxes (tables?) ... |
| 15:35.35 | absentia | the oz site is updated once every 4 months, so I was just doing a periodic check. |
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| 15:36.01 | absentia | zsi2 doesn't seem to be as nicely displayed under opera7 ... as under mozilla |
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| 15:36.17 | absentia | the date at the right comes out on 3 lines.. under opera, which makes the software list VERY vertical. |
| 15:37.56 | absentia | wow... just found a new url: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 15:38.51 | treke | hmmm. I dont freaking get this |
| 15:38.56 | absentia | ah, but doesn't know about zaurus ipkgs |
| 15:38.57 | absentia | :-< |
| 15:39.01 | absentia | too bad. |
| 15:39.16 | treke | Why is it that plucker hauls ass when I'm looking at it, but when I go home it makes NO progress |
| 15:40.41 | treke | kergoth: Hah. ljp commited something to head that you should like :) |
| 15:40.58 | absentia | how close is famailiar to oz? zdebian? |
| 15:41.01 | treke | absentia: Netfront probably doesnt do css properly |
| 15:41.05 | absentia | can familiar ipkgs be used for oz or zdebian ? |
| 15:41.11 | treke | some can |
| 15:41.13 | treke | some can't |
| 15:41.15 | cmartin | absentia: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org is for familiar linux - check out http://killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 15:41.16 | absentia | treke: undoubtedly. |
| 15:41.19 | treke | depends on the age of the package |
| 15:41.24 | treke | ~lart glibc |
| 15:42.25 | absentia | ah |
| 15:42.41 | mule | haha |
| 15:42.49 | absentia | is killefiz the only site like that for oz/zaurus proggies? |
| 15:43.04 | treke | good ole glibc 2.3.2 has symbol version in it, so apps wont work on oz with glibc 2.2 :) |
| 15:43.39 | absentia | ah |
| 15:45.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: a few comments to the new image... |
| 15:46.01 | cmartin | mickeyl: the console is still behind opie - the cursor blinks in the lower-left corner and when inserting a PC-Card the screen is garbled by messages |
| 15:46.27 | cmartin | mickeyl: and like i mentioned yesterday - the keyboard spans the whole screen agyin |
| 15:46.32 | cmartin | again |
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| 15:47.16 | mickeyl | cmartin: keyboard issue is expected. they overwrote my changes |
| 15:47.20 | absentia | hey sukoshi .... |
| 15:47.37 | absentia | were you looking for c700 or c760 testers ? |
| 15:47.41 | treke | mickeyl: The change should probably be done someplace else |
| 15:47.57 | treke | mickeyl: If it does what I think it does |
| 15:48.26 | mickeyl | treke: the change was appropriate in inputmethods.cpp. they just overwrote it by blindly applying the new trolltech launcher :( |
| 15:48.34 | treke | input methods are pretty horribly broken on the c700 |
| 15:48.49 | mickeyl | brokeN? |
| 15:49.41 | treke | rendering wise |
| 15:50.04 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:50.10 | mickeyl | don't know what you mean |
| 15:50.12 | mickeyl | seems ok here |
| 15:50.42 | prh | has anyone worked on mapping the jappanese keys to ctrl and alt yet? |
| 15:50.57 | mickeyl | prh: finished |
| 15:51.08 | prh | mickeyl: ooh! presumably done in the kernel? |
| 15:51.13 | mickeyl | sure |
| 15:51.25 | prh | cool - got any build images around (for 750) |
| 15:51.59 | cmartin | bbl |
| 15:52.06 | cmartin | going home |
| 15:53.12 | SuKoShi | absentia: hey |
| 15:53.20 | absentia | hey |
| 15:53.38 | kergoth | mule: chances are one of the postinsts or something included in an ipk is interfering with bringup |
| 15:54.00 | kergoth | mule: possibly the ipk includes an ifstate that throws off the state of the universe, then one of the startup scripts removes it |
| 15:54.03 | kergoth | that sort of hting |
| 15:54.07 | kergoth | absentia: report it to the webmaster |
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| 15:54.25 | kergoth | treke: saw that, nice :) I still want a net hosted DB ala cddb, but for drinks :) |
| 15:54.28 | absentia | k: k |
| 15:54.38 | treke | dddb |
| 15:54.46 | treke | sounds like a debugger |
| 15:55.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:55.10 | kergoth | would be cool though |
| 15:55.20 | treke | hmmmm |
| 15:55.25 | kergoth | you could submit tons of variations on drinks, could even submit votes on their quality |
| 15:55.29 | treke | a web based debugger |
| 15:55.34 | kergoth | eek |
| 15:55.44 | treke | you turn it on and anyone browsing the page can debug your app for you |
| 15:58.42 | kergoth | hm, need to alter OE to choose staging_dir/build/* instead of staging_dir/target/* when arch=build_arch |
| 15:59.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: finally got rid of the orinoco oops by downgrading pcmcia-modules to the OZ 3.2 version. |
| 15:59.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: (in my testing image) |
| 16:00.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: the pcmcia _modules_, from the kernel? how the hell did that change |
| 16:00.05 | mickeyl | kergoth: don't ask me what we changed in pcmcia-modules... |
| 16:00.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: are you using a 3x chain or something? |
| 16:00.10 | kergoth | for kernel |
| 16:00.13 | mickeyl | kergoth: no way |
| 16:00.16 | mickeyl | kergoth: 2.95.3 |
| 16:00.26 | kergoth | thats what we always use |
| 16:00.28 | kergoth | wtf |
| 16:00.29 | mickeyl | right |
| 16:00.32 | kergoth | that doesnt make any sense |
| 16:00.32 | mickeyl | wtf. |
| 16:00.48 | kergoth | mickeyl: added pcre, expat, and apache to OE last night |
| 16:00.56 | kergoth | mickeyl: its so easy for autotools based packages.. |
| 16:01.02 | kergoth | set S and SRC_URI and start the build |
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| 16:01.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:01.07 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 16:04.17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:04.24 | kergoth | we need a better way to build a package for the build machine |
| 16:04.41 | kergoth | maybe make the tools automatically change ARCH and OS to match the build ones prior to executing it |
| 16:04.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:05.04 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 16:05.18 | kergoth | since really you can build anything we know how to build for native.. |
| 16:05.33 | kergoth | just need 1) a way to reflect build dependency on the native build |
| 16:05.41 | kergoth | and 2) necessary bits to make OE do it for you |
| 16:05.57 | treke | hmmm. all the suddent opie rotates the screen the wrong way |
| 16:06.00 | treke | sudden |
| 16:06.11 | mickeyl | and have it in _one_ package. i always find it cumbersume to maintain host-xxx and build-xxx packages. |
| 16:06.22 | treke | <treke> sudden |
| 16:06.23 | mickeyl | or don't you think? |
| 16:06.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: right |
| 16:06.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: they share the same build steps, generally |
| 16:06.39 | kergoth | now, the way i do it now is pretty clean |
| 16:06.52 | kergoth | ipkg-x86's .oe sets ARCH and OS and 'include's the ipkg .oe |
| 16:06.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:07.09 | kergoth | actually i put that in a class |
| 16:07.11 | kergoth | so ipkg-x86 does |
| 16:07.15 | kergoth | inherit noncross |
| 16:07.19 | kergoth | include ipkg-${PV}.oe |
| 16:07.20 | kergoth | done |
| 16:07.30 | kergoth | still a pain to do it for every oe though |
| 16:07.38 | kergoth | course not every package needs it.. but.. |
| 16:08.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:08.56 | kergoth | buildarch build shouldnt do any packaging |
| 16:09.11 | kergoth | wonder how to override that. maybe make the noncross class remove the do_install and do_package tasks |
| 16:11.16 | mickeyl | sounds sane. we may need special handling for wicked packages like python who use need their host-tools during the build stage anyway. |
| 16:11.24 | mickeyl | s/who/which |
| 16:11.36 | kergoth | like i said, we just need a way to express dependency on the build version |
| 16:11.42 | kergoth | then oemake will ensure those tools exist prior to execution |
| 16:12.08 | kergoth | right now its a differnet package name, just like buidlroot |
| 16:12.10 | kergoth | ipkg-buildarch |
| 16:12.10 | mickeyl | good |
| 16:12.15 | kergoth | (note its not x86.. hehe) |
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| 16:12.33 | mickeyl | very good :) |
| 16:12.36 | mickeyl | flexibility |
| 16:15.10 | kergoth | course there are things like libtool which are arch independent |
| 16:15.14 | kergoth | so a buildarch version isnt necessary |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth | so not sure how to handle that. |
| 16:16.05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:16.10 | koyote | bk really doesn't 'support' os X all that much |
| 16:16.17 | kergoth | koyote: no gui? or .. ? |
| 16:16.27 | treke | who needs a gui? |
| 16:17.15 | prh | why is it some Z kernels don't seem to put any output to the screen when booting (just flashing cursor) others do, but then they keep spouting stuff even opie is running... > |
| 16:17.38 | mickeyl | because different people are using different kernel configurations |
| 16:17.52 | prh | what config option is causing that? |
| 16:17.58 | mickeyl | e.g. our current shepherd kernel spits out debugging on console, because we _need_ that info |
| 16:17.58 | kergoth | the kernel commandline |
| 16:18.00 | kergoth | console= |
| 16:18.10 | prh | (I'd _like_ output during boot, but not scribbling over my GUI :O) |
| 16:18.13 | koyote | kergoth: mostly it's gui related. |
| 16:18.21 | prh | and where does the commandline get set? |
| 16:18.21 | mickeyl | prh: can't have both atm. |
| 16:18.23 | koyote | jsut not set up to dela with the unix behind os X |
| 16:18.40 | mickeyl | not until we have console redirection in opie |
| 16:18.44 | mickeyl | like in X... |
| 16:18.45 | koyote | maybe if I set up x... |
| 16:18.50 | mickeyl | I though about an applet for that |
| 16:18.51 | prh | mickeyl: Ahhh |
| 16:19.08 | prh | but where is the kernel command line set? |
| 16:19.10 | koyote | how long is that likely to take? |
| 16:19.20 | kergoth | koyote: heh, i never use those anyway :) |
| 16:19.25 | mickeyl | prh: packages/kernel-shepherd/shepherd |
| 16:19.26 | koyote | I seem to recall the one install of the 750 working fine that way. |
| 16:19.36 | prh | mickeyl: ta |
| 16:19.40 | koyote | kergoth: *shrug* I just want to compile. |
| 16:19.55 | kergoth | you dont need the gui |
| 16:20.06 | kergoth | we can walk you through anything you need to do with bk |
| 16:20.59 | koyote | well, ho about getting the buildroot for starters :) |
| 16:21.03 | koyote | hrm |
| 16:21.06 | prh | mickeyl: on the kernels that don't output to the screen - what is console= normally set to? |
| 16:21.11 | koyote | actually, I think I must eat lunch first. |
| 16:21.39 | mickeyl | prh: console=null |
| 16:21.48 | mickeyl | prh: or serial: console=ttyS0 |
| 16:22.33 | prh | right. ooh thats a good point - is there a joint usb/serial cable for the Z anywhere? |
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| 16:23.01 | bipolar_ | testing kopete... |
| 16:23.10 | kergoth | hmmm. |
| 16:23.13 | prh | for dev it would seem really handy to be using a serial console and still be able to use usb for ssh/samba |
| 16:23.14 | kergoth | koyote: read the faqs. |
| 16:23.22 | bipolar | ~bitchslap bipolar_ |
| 16:23.24 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of bipolar_ |
| 16:23.29 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:23.35 | koyote | kergoth: will do. I also need to make sure I've got both GCCs working, right? |
| 16:23.47 | kergoth | i'd like libtool to install a task that affects every package |
| 16:23.50 | kergoth | thats not possible. |
| 16:23.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:23.53 | kergoth | koyote: "both"? |
| 16:24.08 | koyote | i've gathered I need 2.95.3 and 3.x both... |
| 16:24.18 | kergoth | koyote: only if you want a 3.x userspace. its your decision. |
| 16:24.23 | koyote | I'd be glad to be wrong |
| 16:25.25 | koyote | anyway, food first. |
| 16:27.00 | kergoth | there we go |
| 16:27.10 | kergoth | automatically searches for ltmain.sh's and replaces them all at configure time |
| 16:27.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:27.19 | mickeyl | coolness! |
| 16:27.27 | kergoth | now to patch our libtool and ltmain.sh from our libtool package so it actually does something useful |
| 16:29.22 | kergoth | oh there it is |
| 16:29.26 | kergoth | it was in buildroot |
| 16:29.28 | kergoth | but unused |
| 16:30.08 | kergoth | damn |
| 16:32.14 | mickeyl | bbl in a few h |
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| 16:35.53 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
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| 16:36.16 | icefox | Anyone know what -noquicklaunch is for qtopia? |
| 16:36.45 | pb_ | kergoth: yo |
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| 16:39.04 | kergoth | pb_: beating up libtool. fun fun. |
| 16:39.17 | pb_ | kergoth: hah. |
| 16:43.47 | kergoth | hmm. |
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| 16:47.27 | kergoth | note to self: you cant choke a laptop. |
| 16:48.01 | absentia | I always threaten my unix boxes (ie: laptops) with installing windows on them |
| 16:48.09 | absentia | I note that my issues quickly go away like magic |
| 16:48.16 | kergoth | i should try that. |
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| 16:48.44 | kergoth | you know what bothers me |
| 16:48.47 | kergoth | is when packages include sources to other packages |
| 16:48.48 | kergoth | and build them |
| 16:49.05 | kergoth | that pisses me off. why cant you just link in the .a from it assuming its available like everybody else |
| 16:49.56 | kergoth | patching ltmain.sh wasnt sufficient |
| 16:49.57 | kergoth | I need to patch the m4 macros used to generate libtool from it |
| 16:50.04 | pb_ | suck |
| 16:50.17 | kergoth | the patch makes it no longer pick up libdir from .la files |
| 16:50.20 | kergoth | which is useful |
| 16:50.30 | kergoth | but libtool still contains its default lib path vars |
| 16:50.45 | kergoth | which we normally sed out, but i dont want to have to do that for every single package that builds itself a libtool |
| 16:50.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:51.03 | absentia | hmmm |
| 16:51.04 | pb_ | btw, I made a new release of libgpewidget with the right makefile gunk so that it plays nicely with buildroot's pkgconfig. so, if you bump the version number up to 0.68, it should compile out of the box. kind of a minor victory in the grand scheme of things, but one step at a time. |
| 16:51.15 | kergoth | pb_: glad to hear it |
| 16:51.18 | treke | kergoth: I generally have been patching the ltmain script |
| 16:51.39 | kergoth | like i said, patching ltmain isnt enough :) |
| 16:51.46 | kergoth | not all builds obey the LIBTOOL var to use ours |
| 16:51.46 | treke | ah |
| 16:51.51 | kergoth | either we make them all obey that |
| 16:51.53 | treke | I wasnt reading far enough up :) |
| 16:52.01 | kergoth | or we modify the macros so that every libtool that gets built is correct |
| 16:52.11 | pb_ | I think making all builds obey LIBTOOL is probably the right thing. |
| 16:52.13 | treke | or we kill the authors of libtool |
| 16:52.20 | kergoth | pb_: probably |
| 16:52.26 | pb_ | treke: that's not exclusive to the other options though |
| 16:52.34 | kergoth | pb_: but thats decidedly not the easy way |
| 16:52.37 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 16:52.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:52.51 | pb_ | hrm, right. |
| 16:52.57 | kergoth | btw, making builds automatically obey our vars is a pain |
| 16:52.58 | pb_ | fixing the macros doesn't sound that easy either, though |
| 16:53.04 | kergoth | i tried make -e to get it to obey all our vars from the env |
| 16:53.12 | mule | is the hotplug package for pcmcia and usb? |
| 16:53.19 | kergoth | but then if the toplevel build modifies or appends to them, the -e goes down into the submakes |
| 16:53.22 | kergoth | which undoes that |
| 16:53.35 | pb_ | ugh, right |
| 16:53.40 | pb_ | nasty |
| 16:53.43 | kergoth | if you make -e MAKEFLAGS="", you not only undo any other vars you set on the make commandline, you also assume that the build's toplevel touches the var |
| 16:53.53 | kergoth | because if it doesnt, and only a submake does, the submake wont have -e |
| 16:53.56 | kergoth | so wont obey it |
| 16:54.12 | kergoth | if you pass them all on the cmdline, make pukes because it dislikes var sets on the cmdline with spaces or dashes in them |
| 16:54.20 | kergoth | are we having fun yet? |
| 16:54.22 | pb_ | sigh |
| 16:54.37 | kergoth | make recursion-- |
| 16:56.11 | kergoth | a good example of this is gcc |
| 16:56.18 | kergoth | gcc's submake for the libstdc++ build uses libtool |
| 16:56.21 | kergoth | good luck getting it to obey it. |
| 16:56.27 | treke | gcc is a good example of something? Wow |
| 16:56.30 | kergoth | making that happy was a pain in the ass |
| 16:56.38 | kergoth | treke: yes, a good example of how to breakl us |
| 16:56.41 | kergoth | s/breakl/break/ |
| 16:56.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:57.39 | kergoth | hmm, we could output a makefile containing the sets of our exported variables |
| 16:57.47 | kergoth | then, when we call their make, we use make -f to load ours too |
| 16:57.50 | kergoth | before theirs |
| 16:57.56 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:58.04 | kergoth | i bet thatd be a clean way to do it |
| 17:00.15 | icefox | moc_examplebase.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._ZTV11ExampleBase+0x13c): undefined reference to `QWidget::dragLeaveEvent(QDragLeaveEvent*)' <- would that be a link error from qpe or qte |
| 17:00.46 | kergoth | its a link error from moc_examplebase |
| 17:00.52 | kergoth | if you mean what provides that symbol, thats a different question |
| 17:00.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:01.03 | icefox | yah, sorry |
| 17:01.32 | kergoth | i would have to assume its qte. |
| 17:02.03 | icefox | dang it was the includes I was using |
| 17:02.05 | icefox | qt vs qte |
| 17:02.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:02.18 | kergoth | ouch |
| 17:02.56 | icefox | thanks |
| 17:03.09 | icefox | for some reason talking it out loud solves half of your problems |
| 17:03.17 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:03.29 | icefox | even if you sound stupid in the process :0) |
| 17:03.37 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:03.41 | kergoth | hmm, /me writes a convenience function for outputting makefile-format metadata |
| 17:04.15 | mule | hotplug, what does it do? |
| 17:04.20 | kergoth | read. |
| 17:04.24 | kergoth | go read the documentation |
| 17:04.28 | mule | ok |
| 17:04.39 | mule | but in a line? |
| 17:04.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:04.57 | kergoth | hotplug is a userspace tool that handles hotplug events. |
| 17:05.06 | mule | thanjs |
| 17:05.07 | kergoth | things like usb device insertion or removal for example |
| 17:05.09 | icefox | cp -L $SDK/$QT/include/*.h ./ |
| 17:05.16 | icefox | should have been cp -L $SDK/$QTE/include/*.h ./ |
| 17:05.17 | icefox | hehe |
| 17:05.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:05.21 | mule | so it should fire when you connect to usb? |
| 17:05.26 | kergoth | mule: yes. |
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| 17:05.42 | mule | hm...well that is not working on poodle |
| 17:05.52 | mule | I am told |
| 17:06.05 | mule | who uses usb anyway ;/ |
| 17:06.20 | kergoth | usbdmonitor generates the hotplug events |
| 17:06.55 | mule | ok thanks, sorry to bother you |
| 17:08.12 | kergoth | oh, that solution doesnt work because our priority is the same as that of vars the buildsystem sets itself |
| 17:08.20 | kergoth | i wish i could _change_ where a var comes from |
| 17:08.26 | kergoth | so make things it came from the cmdline when it didnt |
| 17:08.30 | kergoth | just so its givne higher priority |
| 17:08.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:08.46 | kergoth | s/things/thinks/ |
| 17:09.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:09.09 | kergoth | guess there is no clean solution, except hacks on a per build basis |
| 17:09.13 | kergoth | what a pain. |
| 17:09.30 | kergoth | guess make -e MAKEFLAGS="" is the best solution for the moment, despite its problems |
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| 17:12.35 | kergoth | hmmm. |
| 17:15.11 | absentia | you know, I don't know what's up with these aterms, eterm, zterms.. whatever... xterms just work. |
| 17:15.28 | absentia | simple vt terminal.. and these stupid terms can't even get that straight. |
| 17:20.56 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 17:21.44 | absentia | anyone know how to switch tabs in opera7? (when in full screen?) |
| 17:24.03 | kergoth | hmm, if i output a include.mk whose sole job is to export our variables, then if i use make -e only at toplevel, they'll still get passed into the submakes! |
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| 17:28.54 | kergoth | damn |
| 17:28.56 | kergoth | it doesnt work :( |
| 17:29.04 | pb_ | hell |
| 17:29.20 | kergoth | wonder why. |
| 17:29.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:30.10 | kergoth | yep, the toplevel takes it from the env, but subs dont get it |
| 17:30.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:31.24 | kergoth | grr. |
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| 17:31.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:32.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:32.05 | kergoth | okay, thats expected |
| 17:32.08 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 17:32.23 | kergoth | i'd have to not export it, but append it to MAKEOVERRIDES! |
| 17:32.25 | kergoth | thats the key |
| 17:32.31 | absentia | hey, anyone who has kept a connection here, could you do a last "doneright" and give me the url fmor killefiz? thanks |
| 17:32.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:33.08 | kergoth | damnit, that didnt work either. |
| 17:33.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:33.46 | kergoth | oh well |
| 17:35.57 | W8TVI | absentia: what? |
| 17:37.58 | treke | kergoth: what is it with people that think 3 months without a new release is a dead project |
| 17:38.21 | kergoth | heh, they assume we're just sitting on our asses doing nothing |
| 17:38.31 | kergoth | apparently nobody looks at say, bitkeeper changelogs for example |
| 17:38.39 | treke | familiar goes on about a 3 month release cycle. Redhat does 6 months. Debian releases every 2 years |
| 17:39.08 | kergoth | server/.libs/libmain.al(exports.lo)(.data.rel+0x18): undefined reference to `ap_get_module_config' |
| 17:39.11 | kergoth | server/.libs/libmain.al(exports.lo)(.data.rel+0x1c): undefined reference to `ap_set_module_config' |
| 17:39.14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:40.06 | W8TVI | treke: lol |
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| 17:42.37 | kergoth | oh crap, thats why its failing |
| 17:42.55 | absentia | w8: nevemrind, I found it. |
| 17:42.56 | kergoth | it needs the arm version of util_debug for the lib, but we need the x86 one for a build tool |
| 17:43.00 | kergoth | i HATE that |
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| 17:49.48 | kergoth | damn you apache buildsystem. |
| 17:49.59 | kergoth | it used to build.. sniffle. |
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| 17:56.32 | absentia | ah, nethack into buildroot |
| 17:56.33 | absentia | amen to that |
| 17:58.28 | koyote | angband..... |
| 17:58.52 | absentia | call me a heretic, but I actually enjoy the qt nethack on the zaurus. |
| 17:59.08 | treke | heretic |
| 17:59.10 | absentia | since I leraned that clicking where there isn't a passageway near the char is search |
| 17:59.24 | koyote | I really like nethack, but angband is just a touch better for me |
| 17:59.28 | absentia | but I don't like playing the qt nethack under pc ... or here at work, under linux. |
| 17:59.47 | absentia | although, the qt seems to be lacking a few things.... text overlaps... etc. but over all, it's fun. |
| 17:59.50 | treke | the tiny tiles are too small |
| 18:00.00 | absentia | what is better about angband? ever play... omega? |
| 18:00.12 | absentia | treke: yes, that's another thing... it doesn't rmember the qt settings |
| 18:00.21 | absentia | go under the first menu... play in landscape mode, not enlarged |
| 18:00.28 | absentia | select 24 x 28 with "medium" font |
| 18:00.29 | absentia | it's perfect |
| 18:00.40 | absentia | if you go any larger than 28, you get horizontal lines, like underscores |
| 18:00.44 | absentia | but 24x28 is quite nice, really. |
| 18:00.44 | treke | landscape mode not enlarged? |
| 18:00.54 | absentia | ya, with the keyboard there, not in pda mode.... |
| 18:01.02 | absentia | and not in 320x240, but in 640x480 ... |
| 18:01.10 | treke | What 320x240? |
| 18:01.27 | absentia | by default, it launches in magnified mode? |
| 18:02.06 | absentia | I should upload an image to killefiz... with those settings. |
| 18:02.25 | treke | oh yes. Sharp rom had that zoom thing |
| 18:02.52 | kergoth | okay, oe_runconf now seds up the outputted libtool binaries |
| 18:02.56 | kergoth | to empty the lib search vars |
| 18:02.59 | kergoth | life is good. |
| 18:03.05 | treke | kergoth: no it isnt |
| 18:03.22 | kergoth | well, better. |
| 18:03.28 | kergoth | life Sucks Less(tm) |
| 18:03.31 | absentia | er, sorry, yes... I'm not in oz yet because of netfront. |
| 18:03.43 | kergoth | ibot: life |
| 18:03.43 | | [life] like a box of chocolates. |
| 18:03.59 | absentia | although now that I have the 760, I'll be more up to experimenting... as i can keep one in decent order as I royally screw up te other. |
| 18:04.05 | kergoth | ibot: no, life is <reply> This just in.. life Sucks Less(tm)! |
| 18:04.06 | | kergoth: okay |
| 18:04.40 | pb_ | wow, an unusually sunny outlook from kergoth |
| 18:05.17 | kergoth | pb_: defeating libtool has that affect |
| 18:05.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:05.51 | kergoth | or, maybe i should call it a stalemate |
| 18:06.20 | pb_ | I suspect it's just a tactical withdrawal on libtool's part. |
| 18:06.32 | pb_ | I fear it will be back with renewed force when we expect it least. |
| 18:06.33 | treke | it's really regrouping |
| 18:06.48 | treke | it'll strike when we least expect it |
| 18:07.19 | pb_ | yeah, libtool's a bastard for that. |
| 18:07.21 | treke | pb_: The solution to that problem is to always expect it. Then it will keep on waiting to strike |
| 18:07.44 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:07.57 | pb_ | ah yes, good plan. |
| 18:08.25 | pb_ | though it strikes me that something might be wrong when we're reduced to the level of conducting psychological warfare against libtool. |
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| 18:17.07 | treke | hmmm. time for the ugly techsupport part of my week |
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| 18:23.23 | treke | w00t. Down to 10 pages to process in plucker |
| 18:23.54 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:23.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:24.07 | kergoth | zsh finds termcap.h, but still doesnt -ltermcap in its link |
| 18:24.08 | kergoth | weird. |
| 18:24.10 | treke | yeiazel: You would die before you finished |
| 18:24.14 | yeiazel | treke: :) |
| 18:24.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:25.01 | kergoth | wtf |
| 18:25.18 | treke | woooot. It's now moved on to converting data! |
| 18:31.23 | treke | sadly it's running the same speed as the first part did |
| 18:31.47 | treke | so assuming it has th same ammount of data to process, it should be done on monday |
| 18:33.11 | kergoth | we should update to the new uclibc release in buildroot. |
| 18:33.14 | kergoth | or just add it to OE |
| 18:33.28 | treke | maybe we should freeze buildroot |
| 18:34.06 | kergoth | treke: not a bad idea. need to decide whether we do a new release of the universe before we do so though. |
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| 18:34.19 | kergoth | or perhaps we just upload a set of experimentals for all targets just to hold users over |
| 18:34.25 | kergoth | that might be best |
| 18:35.15 | treke | Use the conversion as an opportunity to prune or fix the stuff that's been broken for a while |
| 18:35.50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:35.58 | kergoth | kill unmaintained packages, or mark them as unmaintained |
| 18:36.03 | koyote | aha |
| 18:36.04 | koyote | http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_arm/index_en.html |
| 18:36.13 | koyote | this might work better for me |
| 18:37.28 | treke | kergoth: sadly the switchover means I need to use my ipaq again :) |
| 18:38.06 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 18:38.59 | treke | the hardware isnt bad, but the screen just looks nasty after the c700 :) |
| 18:39.07 | treke | unless I'm outdoors |
| 18:39.08 | kergoth | c7x0 rocks |
| 18:39.09 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 18:39.14 | kergoth | douglas is probably waiting for their c700 back |
| 18:39.19 | kergoth | need to drop by mail boxes etc or something |
| 18:39.29 | treke | hehe. When did they ask for it? |
| 18:39.38 | treke | ti probably has a mailroom |
| 18:40.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:40.38 | kergoth | good point |
| 18:40.51 | kergoth | they asked for it like two weeks ago or something |
| 18:40.57 | kergoth | keep forgetting |
| 18:41.36 | kergoth | probably |
| 18:42.20 | kergoth | wooo |
| 18:42.22 | kergoth | zsh finally builds |
| 18:42.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:42.36 | koyote | hrm, will this actuall work to compile oz, though? |
| 18:43.32 | kergoth | hm? |
| 18:43.37 | kergoth | OE can build _anything- |
| 18:43.42 | kergoth | its just a matter of adding the builds |
| 18:44.06 | koyote | I mean my corss compiler setup instructions |
| 18:44.34 | kergoth | .. what? |
| 18:44.47 | pb_ | coarse compiler? cool. |
| 18:45.03 | TimRikerHome | ~spell corss |
| 18:45.07 | | possible spellings for corss: Coors Cross cross Coriss cords Cos cos coarse course Cass Co's cars coos cows coys curs cuss joss cores corks corms corns corps Car's Coy's car's cow's cur's curse gorse coses criss Coors's Cora's Cord's Corissa coeds cord's courses corsair Ross coarser cods cots courser crass cress Cora Cord Cs Orsa cord cs |
| 18:45.07 | koyote | heh |
| 18:45.12 | koyote | cross. |
| 18:45.29 | TimRikerHome | sure it's not a Coors compiler? ;-) |
| 18:45.33 | koyote | a joss compiler could be useful, though. |
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| 18:50.34 | treke | w00t it's done |
| 18:50.45 | kergoth | woot |
| 18:50.48 | kergoth | zsh and dropbear build |
| 18:50.53 | kergoth | back to apache |
| 18:51.07 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:51.17 | kergoth | opie-reader can read those right? |
| 18:51.22 | treke | yup |
| 18:51.47 | treke | hmmm/ Tht reminds me. The scrollbar in opie-reader is a joke |
| 18:53.01 | treke | a 4 pixel scroll box does not work well on a 3.5inch 640x480 screen |
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| 18:54.28 | kergoth | oh, i should convert sysvinit and oz-base |
| 18:54.45 | kergoth | oz-base needs a better name |
| 18:54.46 | kergoth | oe-base? |
| 18:54.53 | kergoth | base-stuff? |
| 18:54.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:55.06 | chouimat | kergoth: basecrap? |
| 18:55.32 | kergoth | treke: whats debian call their package with the default sysvinit scripts? |
| 18:56.08 | kergoth | treke: and have you looked at OE yet? |
| 18:56.11 | treke | yeah |
| 18:56.12 | kergoth | </pester> |
| 18:56.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56.27 | pb_ | kergoth: initscripts, I think |
| 18:56.40 | treke | what pb_ said |
| 18:56.52 | kergoth | k, lets split that out of oz-base into initscripts then |
| 18:58.26 | kergoth | we also need to think about the best way to handle distributionisms |
| 18:58.39 | kergoth | just on the off chance somebody wants redhatish for example |
| 18:59.47 | kergoth | also need to think about how to handle configurations of things that affect size |
| 18:59.58 | kergoth | i.e. an OE config opt to select just how small we need shit |
| 19:00.04 | kergoth | size vs functionality |
| 19:02.01 | kergoth | well, those items cant be completed until we have more extensive variable set conditionals anyway |
| 19:02.52 | kergoth | hmm, wonder why i never finished hacking the build of glibc to get nptl to build |
| 19:03.37 | treke | what is nptl good for? |
| 19:03.59 | kergoth | its an alternative to linuxthreads. as to the specific benefits, i honestly dont know offhand. |
| 19:04.26 | treke | yeah I know its an alternative. Just wasnt sure why it was written |
| 19:04.43 | kergoth | pb_: would you happen to know offhand? |
| 19:10.20 | pb_ | sorry, what was the question? |
| 19:10.22 | pb_ | oh, nptl? |
| 19:12.25 | pb_ | I think the problem with linuxthreads is really that it's just inefficient. |
| 19:13.07 | pb_ | have a look in Uli's directory on people.redhat.com, I think there's some documentation there. |
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| 19:47.31 | james_lan | hello |
| 19:47.45 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:48.05 | james_lan | anything known wrong with mknod on busybox v0.61pre? |
| 19:48.29 | james_lan | trying to mknod lirc c 62 0 and it gives me major = 0 and minor = 0 |
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| 19:49.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49.55 | kergoth | wonder if we're up to 50 times thats been asked. |
| 19:50.01 | kergoth | check the mailing list archives. |
| 19:50.04 | treke | probably |
| 19:50.05 | james_lan | sorry |
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| 19:50.35 | treke | what good is lirc anyways? isnt range on the zaurus a foot? maybe 2? |
| 19:51.15 | james_lan | treke|home: $5.50 keyboards :) |
| 19:51.16 | kergoth | treke: its used for those irda keyboards too, since theres no kernel driver for most |
| 19:51.28 | treke | ah |
| 19:51.59 | treke | like the pocketop? |
| 19:52.00 | kergoth | treke: hehe, nice reply on that oz dead thread |
| 19:52.19 | james_lan | yep, via irk |
| 19:52.25 | treke | kergoth: Yeah. I'm beginning to get mildly pissed |
| 19:54.53 | treke | kergoth: His comment on it being dead from reading that page just boggles my mind |
| 19:59.25 | koyote | maybe you should put a post july entry up on the site :) |
| 20:01.25 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/packages$ bkdiffs |
| 20:01.26 | kergoth | Empty p.file content/SCCS/p.apache-2.0.47.oe - aborted. |
| 20:01.26 | kergoth | Empty p.file content/SCCS/p.libjpeg-6b.oe - aborted. |
| 20:01.26 | kergoth | Empty p.file content/SCCS/p.libpng-1.2.5.oe - aborted. |
| 20:01.26 | kergoth | Empty p.file content/SCCS/p.ncurses-5.3.oe - aborted. |
| 20:01.28 | kergoth | Empty p.file content/SCCS/p.zsh-4.1.1.oe - aborted. |
| 20:01.30 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:02.05 | treke | that means bad news |
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| 20:04.25 | absentia | where is the url to oz is dead thread :-> |
| 20:06.46 | koyote | apparently, i have a working cross compiler on os X. |
| 20:06.55 | kergoth | koyote: spiffy. build it or find it? |
| 20:06.57 | koyote | hell if I know how, thoug |
| 20:07.06 | koyote | found one to build, actually |
| 20:07.27 | killefiz | treke: should oz/ipaq use/compile alsa? |
| 20:07.33 | treke | yes |
| 20:07.35 | kergoth | koyote: tried making buildroot build yet? |
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| 20:08.30 | koyote | nope, just got the helloworld app done. I'm not sure yet how to do the building for buildroot, gotta grab that after this meeting |
| 20:08.32 | killefiz | hmm - it's bailing out compiling backpaq-uda1341.c |
| 20:08.40 | Bernardo | gi |
| 20:08.59 | kergoth | koyote: cool, keep me posted |
| 20:09.06 | treke | killefiz: Try setting a cvsdate |
| 20:09.22 | killefiz | treke: for alsa? is that fetched from cvs? |
| 20:09.26 | treke | yes |
| 20:09.40 | killefiz | ok ... do you have a known-to-work date? |
| 20:10.40 | kergoth | heh, could setup a class in OE that updates a cvsdate file with the checkout date at build completion automatically |
| 20:10.47 | kergoth | so every time it doesnt freak, it updates it |
| 20:10.59 | kergoth | would be better than just a striaght up HEAD build |
| 20:11.14 | treke | killefiz: try july |
| 20:11.38 | treke | the driver isnt changed very often :) |
| 20:11.44 | Twiun | re |
| 20:12.02 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 20:12.08 | kergoth | put libfb in OE |
| 20:13.01 | kergoth | qte 2.3.7 in OE builds now |
| 20:13.21 | kergoth | obviously missing lots of device specific alterations like the buildroot build, but progress. |
| 20:13.44 | treke | hmmm. that could be a problem with qte :) |
| 20:14.05 | kergoth | it has a few |
| 20:14.07 | kergoth | -xplatforms |
| 20:14.12 | kergoth | but none of hte opie and qtopia bits |
| 20:14.16 | Twiun | kergoth: was that put a request or an accomplished act? |
| 20:14.20 | kergoth | Twiun: request |
| 20:14.33 | kergoth | check it out, play with it, get a feel for it |
| 20:14.36 | kergoth | treke: yeah me too |
| 20:14.38 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, I'll pull oe and work on it |
| 20:14.49 | kergoth | I think we should put the patches into our repos rather than relying on teh opie checkout to build qte |
| 20:14.55 | kergoth | the interdependency just pisses me off |
| 20:14.58 | Twiun | ljp: any idea when qt will support namespaces? |
| 20:15.07 | Twiun | kergoth: likewise |
| 20:15.18 | kergoth | oh |
| 20:15.22 | kergoth | i forgot to check in that fix |
| 20:15.25 | kergoth | i fixed that stupid patcher bug |
| 20:15.33 | kergoth | where it aborts if the patch is already applied |
| 20:15.37 | kergoth | cause it just pissed me off |
| 20:15.44 | kergoth | ibot: seen schurig |
| 20:15.44 | | schurig <~schurig@pD958AFEA.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 6h 58m ago, saying: 'hehe, everyone has his private pet'. |
| 20:15.59 | treke | and make them provide libqte0 and conflict |
| 20:16.10 | kergoth | yay, more multiple provides issues |
| 20:16.10 | Twiun | kergoth: sounds like a sound fix |
| 20:16.16 | kergoth | course as long as they arent in the same repos, we'd be fine |
| 20:16.50 | treke | much better would be to get trolltech to accept enough of the patches that we could build either against the same source |
| 20:16.53 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah, i was adding the glibc 2.3.2 build.. which i pulled debian's patchset over to.. so itsl ike 30 patches.. and i didnt know the pnums for them.. |
| 20:16.59 | kergoth | Twiun: didnt feel like cleaning between each patch |
| 20:17.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:18.10 | Twiun | yeah, those multiple patches are painful |
| 20:18.14 | treke | kergoth: uhm stupid question, but |
| 20:18.39 | treke | kergoth: why not just set part of the SOURCES variable in qte to point to the opie patches in cvs |
| 20:18.44 | mule | can I ask a newbie c question? :) |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for schurig: you should put patcher in a source control system other than buildroot :) |
| 20:18.54 | kergoth | treke: oh, good point |
| 20:18.56 | treke | so you'd checkout opie/qt/ for the qtebuild |
| 20:18.59 | kergoth | treke: i almost forgot that it can do that |
| 20:19.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.14 | treke | ljp would have to make his own damn patch archive |
| 20:19.18 | kergoth | i've even done things like, include cvs://blahblah/this/that/that.oe |
| 20:19.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19.41 | kergoth | glibc takes way too damn long to build even with ccache. |
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| 20:19.58 | mule | I use popen() to run a shell command and get a pipe from it, now how can I stop my program from halting until that shell command is over...just conceptually |
| 20:20.46 | mule | like is there a way of checking for signals in a loop? |
| 20:20.48 | kergoth | heh, couldnt you just wait for EOF? |
| 20:20.59 | kergoth | read from the pipe until you end end of file |
| 20:21.01 | kergoth | or something |
| 20:21.06 | mule | yes, but EOF happens after 8 minutes |
| 20:21.19 | treke | kergoth: blocking io is his prolem I think |
| 20:21.32 | mule | I want my app to do stuff in the meantime |
| 20:21.41 | mule | treke: that sounds right |
| 20:21.42 | kergoth | and.. |
| 20:21.55 | kergoth | main loop + select() |
| 20:22.20 | mule | ermm...what? shall I just look up select()? |
| 20:22.27 | kergoth | hm, wonder how to make libtoolize grab the bits from our staging area's share |
| 20:22.30 | kergoth | mule: yes |
| 20:22.51 | mule | thankyou |
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| 20:37.32 | mule | ok this select() (if it even exists) what library or class or whatever is it in? |
| 20:37.53 | treke | libc |
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| 20:38.52 | absentia | roms: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?ZaurusRomTable |
| 20:39.18 | absentia | ok, I just can't take it any more |
| 20:39.22 | absentia | externe.net is just too slow to use. |
| 20:42.06 | Twiun | absentia: what's in your wiki? |
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| 20:49.52 | kergoth | server/.libs/libmain.al(exports.lo)(.data.rel+0x18): undefined reference to `ap_get_module_config' |
| 20:49.56 | kergoth | grr. |
| 20:51.40 | ljp | hmm |
| 20:53.07 | ljp | hahahha "How can we run a batch file in a iPAQ on windows CE platform." on opie ml |
| 20:53.20 | kergoth | uh |
| 20:53.21 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:53.36 | kergoth | wonder if thats the same guy that bid on the "New Folder" on ebay yesterday |
| 20:54.05 | ljp | hahaha |
| 20:58.12 | W8TVI-z | lol |
| 20:58.49 | killefiz | treke: cvsdate of july did not work but removing the backpaq "card" did. It's compiling now |
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| 21:00.41 | treke | hmmm. I did a build in july |
| 21:04.01 | kergoth | kergoth@direwolf |
| 21:04.02 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/packages$ nm tmp/base/apache-2.0.47-r0/httpd-2.0.47/server/.libs/libmain.al|grep util |
| 21:04.05 | kergoth | nm: util_debug.lo: File format not recognized |
| 21:04.07 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 21:04.10 | kergoth | theres the problem |
| 21:06.03 | kergoth | my attempt to cheat apache's buildsystem rather than finding a way to correct it properly has failed |
| 21:06.24 | ljp | hmm, apache, eh |
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| 21:28.20 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:28.32 | gb2 | kergoth: how much work would it be to implement building a toolchain installed into staging for building all the rest of the packages? |
| 21:28.39 | gb2 | i assume that's what the [ ] add gcc |
| 21:28.41 | gb2 | and friends in the todo are |
| 21:28.55 | Twiun | kergoth: trying to recruit a documenter for us |
| 21:29.01 | kergoth | gb2: eh? |
| 21:29.08 | kergoth | gb2: oh, buildroot already has that |
| 21:29.13 | kergoth | gb2: just a matter of bringing them over |
| 21:29.16 | kergoth | Twiun: cool |
| 21:29.19 | gb2 | ah, ok |
| 21:29.54 | gb2 | kergoth: i didn't realize the buildroot could entirely bootstrap the toolchain too |
| 21:29.55 | Twiun | kergoth: he looks to be a Java guy with a dust collecting iPAQ... he sounds like ideal material for all that beginner's documentation |
| 21:30.12 | kergoth | gb2: yeah, we use it to build the toolchains we put on openzaurus.org |
| 21:30.15 | kergoth | gb2: works pretty ewll |
| 21:30.17 | kergoth | well rather |
| 21:30.19 | kergoth | Twiun: nice. |
| 21:40.00 | Twiun | kergoth: drat, only managed to get a 'I'll send myself an email to remind me' commitment :( |
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| 21:40.22 | kergoth | Twiun: damn. good try though. |
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| 21:45.49 | mule | what beginner documentation? |
| 21:46.04 | koyote | I'd love some beginner documentation :) |
| 21:46.13 | mule | yes |
| 21:46.39 | Twiun | exactly - we had a prospective beginner who said he prefers documenting to coding!?!?! |
| 21:46.44 | Twiun | a very rare breed |
| 21:47.15 | koyote | um, hi. |
| 21:47.41 | kergoth | configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-linux-cpp" fails sanity check |
| 21:47.41 | kergoth | configure failed for srclib/apr |
| 21:47.42 | koyote | I'd much rather document, right now, myself |
| 21:47.43 | kergoth | gee thats helpful |
| 21:47.51 | kergoth | would be nice if itd actually give me the fucking error. |
| 21:48.19 | koyote | of course, I also want to be able to recompile anything i need to onboard, but I'm admittedly strange |
| 21:49.10 | gb2 | kergoth: config.log ? |
| 21:49.16 | kergoth | gb2: nothing useful :\ |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth | hrmph. |
| 21:49.29 | gb2 | look through the M4 for what the sanity check is? |
| 21:49.33 | kergoth | only happened after ip opulated staging with the glibc headers |
| 21:49.36 | kergoth | so it must be failing there |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | yeah, thats the next option |
| 21:49.41 | kergoth | i hate m4. |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | blech. |
| 21:51.11 | gb2 | ah. uclibc's buildroot has a uclibc_toolcahin package |
| 21:51.16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:51.28 | kergoth | wonder if mickey ever got our uclibc toolhcain build ini buildroot working |
| 21:51.30 | gb2 | that's how it handles the knotted build dependencies |
| 21:52.00 | gb2 | i've always wondered how to create separated binutils, gcc, libc packages which were bootstrappable |
| 21:52.22 | gb2 | and i have s suspicion nobody has solveed that |
| 21:52.22 | kergoth | OZ has them seperate, but they're highly interdependent :) |
| 21:52.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: no. didn't attempt to do that. i used andersee's toolchain buildscript, but as of 3.3, it creates a non-working g++ regarding STL. been waiting for him to fix that for weeks ;) |
| 21:52.35 | kergoth | you build binutils, then gcc pass one, then glibc, then gcc pass 2 |
| 21:52.41 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah, gotcha. |
| 21:52.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: did you see a new uclibc released today? |
| 21:52.47 | andersee | mickeyl: eh? |
| 21:52.48 | kergoth | mickeyl: hint hint. |
| 21:53.03 | gb2 | kergoth: yeah, i've got a big shell script i used to use that does that |
| 21:53.17 | gb2 | so you just have 2 gcc packages in that model? |
| 21:53.25 | mickeyl | andersee: hey :) |
| 21:53.31 | kergoth | gb2: in buildroot yeah. they share a common makefile actually |
| 21:53.37 | kergoth | gb2: for the core bits to reduce duplication |
| 21:53.39 | gb2 | ah |
| 21:53.40 | mickeyl | andersee: remember my little problem? |
| 21:53.41 | kergoth | gb2: see packages/cross-gcc/ |
| 21:53.59 | gb2 | yeah, i was looking at that before i went looking at how uclibc buildroot does it. |
| 21:54.01 | andersee | mickeyl: refresh my memory |
| 21:54.42 | mickeyl | andersee: arm-uclibc-g++ has a wrong search path for C++ headers prohibiting the compilation of programs using the STL. |
| 21:54.44 | kergoth | damnit |
| 21:54.52 | kergoth | i dont want to start up X |
| 21:54.59 | treke | hmmm. Looks like I get to go home early today :) |
| 21:54.59 | andersee | mickeyl: tried recently? |
| 21:55.18 | andersee | mickeyl: mjn3 and I have done a _lot_ of work on uclibc and buildroot recently |
| 21:55.20 | mickeyl | andersee: i tried building a 3.3 toolchain, but thati failed |
| 21:55.30 | andersee | when? |
| 21:55.34 | mickeyl | andersee: yesterday |
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| 21:55.57 | mickeyl | andersee: i don't have the logs ready but the toolchain build didn't finish |
| 21:56.12 | andersee | hmm |
| 21:56.25 | kergoth | andersee: remember he's probably using our buildroot, not yours. so any changes there wont propogate short of manual intervention |
| 21:56.33 | mickeyl | no |
| 21:56.36 | andersee | kergoth: ahhh |
| 21:56.44 | mickeyl | using the toolchain buildscript from uclibc cvs |
| 21:56.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:56.56 | kergoth | k, nm |
| 21:57.08 | treke | our buildroot can kick your buildroots ass |
| 21:57.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.51 | kergoth | treke: get oe. convert packages. |
| 21:58.02 | treke | After work. |
| 21:58.06 | kergoth | k |
| 21:58.14 | kergoth | gah, i'm lazy |
| 21:58.18 | kergoth | anyone know what AC_PROG_CPP does? |
| 21:58.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:58.31 | treke | checks for the C preprocessor? |
| 21:58.43 | kergoth | define checks |
| 21:58.46 | kergoth | oh fuck it |
| 21:59.18 | treke | kergoth: good question. It's probably in TFM |
| 21:59.53 | gb2 | looks like it attempts to include assert.h |
| 21:59.58 | mickeyl | ah i never have seen such an ugly overusage of #ifdef |
| 22:00.01 | mickeyl | _is_ that ugly |
| 22:00.42 | kergoth | gb2: thanks. |
| 22:02.52 | mickeyl | i like #ifdefs |
| 22:02.56 | mickeyl | i just don't like overusage of them |
| 22:03.25 | mickeyl | hmmm... damn. not _that_ simple like i thought... |
| 22:03.27 | Twiun | g'night folks |
| 22:03.34 | treke | it's easy for #ifdefs to make a mess of things |
| 22:03.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: why not just console=tty1, and run opie on tty2? |
| 22:03.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: instead of console=tty0 |
| 22:04.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: then it'll only go to one vt, not all |
| 22:04.04 | gb2 | kergoth: newer autocrap checks for more sanity than older versions did ti seems |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | s/all/foreground/ |
| 22:04.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: that is not sufficient. a lot of kernel messages always go to all active consoles |
| 22:04.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: eh? |
| 22:05.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: that shouldnt be the case. |
| 22:05.17 | gb2 | it also tries to include <ac_nonexistant.h> |
| 22:05.21 | gb2 | to make sure that fails |
| 22:05.22 | kergoth | console=null kills all messages, right? |
| 22:05.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: right. |
| 22:05.30 | kergoth | that implies that all messages go to console |
| 22:05.36 | kergoth | so if you set to tty1, all messages go to tty1. |
| 22:05.38 | kergoth | period |
| 22:05.44 | kergoth | isnt logic great? ;) |
| 22:05.54 | mickeyl | kergoth: sorry, but I have enough examples to counterproof. |
| 22:06.09 | kergoth | then fix the problem. |
| 22:06.13 | kergoth | dont hack around it. |
| 22:06.17 | gb2 | and the newer version does: #ifdef __STDC__ #include <limits.h> #else #include <assert.h> #endif |
| 22:06.22 | gb2 | rather than just assert.h |
| 22:07.13 | mickeyl | well, i wouldn't call redirection of /dev/console a hack. |
| 22:07.20 | treke | mickeyl: are you actually remembering to change virtual terminals? |
| 22:07.24 | mickeyl | treke: yes. |
| 22:07.47 | mickeyl | treke: i can show it to you. console=tty1, chvt 2, start opie, boom: i have kernel messages appearing on vt2. |
| 22:07.52 | kergoth | i would call it not obeying console=tty1 bad brokenness |
| 22:08.13 | mickeyl | right. |
| 22:08.16 | kergoth | and fuser /dev/tty1 shows the qpe process? |
| 22:09.22 | mickeyl | no idea offhand - must test that. |
| 22:09.33 | kergoth | sanity check, confirm its on vt2. |
| 22:09.33 | W8TVI | hmmm... |
| 22:09.51 | W8TVI | how do I get out of the diag mode on the sl-5500? |
| 22:09.58 | kergoth | clear the diag flag |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | then reset |
| 22:10.08 | W8TVI | oh ok :) |
| 22:10.21 | kergoth | its just that, a flag that makes the bootloader launch diags instead of the linux kernel |
| 22:10.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:10.33 | W8TVI | is there any other cool stuff I can look at? |
| 22:10.41 | kergoth | not really |
| 22:10.46 | mickeyl | that said, i'd wish we had a bootloader which at _least_ could change the kernel command line |
| 22:10.50 | W8TVI | ah... :( |
| 22:10.52 | mickeyl | ~lart angel |
| 22:10.58 | kergoth | i'll port blob or u-boot one of these days |
| 22:11.01 | kergoth | pretty low priority really |
| 22:11.04 | mickeyl | LAB |
| 22:11.05 | mickeyl | LAB |
| 22:11.06 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:11.09 | kergoth | heh, or that |
| 22:11.19 | W8TVI | gurb |
| 22:11.21 | W8TVI | grub |
| 22:11.23 | W8TVI | lol |
| 22:11.23 | mickeyl | that is too good |
| 22:12.08 | treke | hehe. if he didnt I could have sent him an ipaq at some point |
| 22:12.27 | kergoth | calculates an md5 sum on the contents of flash maybe? |
| 22:12.36 | W8TVI | hmmm. |
| 22:12.42 | W8TVI | :) |
| 22:12.55 | W8TVI | flash check sum |
| 22:12.56 | W8TVI | yep |
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| 22:13.03 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:13.21 | bobbyd | it appears this link no longer works: http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 22:13.22 | W8TVI | NG. csum=2f1b, sum=e6a7 |
| 22:13.34 | kergoth | bobbyd: its in old/ iirc |
| 22:14.06 | bobbyd | ok and is that the toolchain to get if I just want to compile the current buildroot? |
| 22:14.15 | kergoth | if you want gcc2.x, yes |
| 22:14.15 | mickeyl | depends on your target |
| 22:14.30 | bobbyd | target is a c700 |
| 22:14.36 | mickeyl | then yes. |
| 22:14.45 | mickeyl | you may choose to do a combined image though |
| 22:14.46 | bobbyd | kergoth: is there a version of gcc3.x |
| 22:14.49 | kergoth | personally i use a gcc3 userspace on my c7x0 |
| 22:14.50 | W8TVI | cool |
| 22:14.51 | kergoth | bobbyd: ? |
| 22:14.55 | kergoth | there are like 8 gcc3 chains out there |
| 22:14.58 | kergoth | you want 3.3.1 |
| 22:15.04 | bobbyd | ok |
| 22:15.06 | W8TVI | you can tap on the diag menu! |
| 22:15.28 | kergoth | they bothered putting TS support in diags? |
| 22:15.29 | kergoth | fun |
| 22:15.41 | W8TVI | hmmm... version list |
| 22:15.46 | bobbyd | an is there a build of that on the OZ site, of do I just compile one myself? |
| 22:15.50 | kergoth | christ |
| 22:15.56 | kergoth | openzaurus.fuckingorg/official/toolchain |
| 22:15.58 | kergoth | look. |
| 22:15.59 | W8TVI | sa1110 b5 |
| 22:16.15 | W8TVI | board: 01 |
| 22:16.31 | bobbyd | kergoth: it was a simple question, you dont have to get annoyed |
| 22:16.31 | W8TVI | says the rom is USA 2.38 |
| 22:16.49 | kergoth | bobbyd: i dunno, personally when i see a file, i assume there may also be other files there. |
| 22:16.53 | kergoth | bobbyd: but hey, maybe thats just me. |
| 22:17.00 | W8TVI | bobbyd: if you would just look at the OZwebsite you would see your answer! |
| 22:17.17 | bobbyd | W8TVI: i searched the faq, and I didnt find anything |
| 22:17.28 | W8TVI | "model"? 0002 |
| 22:17.34 | bobbyd | I'm sorry if that annoyed you |
| 22:17.45 | kergoth | damnit glibc, go. |
| 22:18.10 | W8TVI | says collie in the version menu |
| 22:18.25 | W8TVI | 20020221 |
| 22:19.10 | bobbyd | W8TVI: ok I'm obviously an idiot, I dont see any links to the toolchain from the main site. I've got it now though so thanks for your help |
| 22:19.28 | W8TVI | its in the FAQ |
| 22:20.03 | bobbyd | W8TVI: Where can I get OZ's source code (buildroot) and how do I compile it? |
| 22:20.13 | bobbyd | the link there didnt work, it's not like I didnt try to find it myself |
| 22:20.41 | bobbyd | it's this kind of attitude that makes me not even want to bother wasting my time trying to help make OZ better |
| 22:21.11 | bobbyd | I ask a simple question and get an arsey answer when I've just spent 12 hours at work fixing bugs and now I'm trying to help the OZ project |
| 22:21.49 | bobbyd | anyway, I'll go awany and compile this stuff and see if I can fix a few bugs that have been annoying me. thanks for the help |
| 22:22.06 | fdask | bobbyd: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 22:22.08 | mickeyl | bobbyd: good luck |
| 22:22.09 | fdask | check the faq dude |
| 22:22.36 | mickeyl | bobbyd: and have a look @ OzTODO in the wiki, if you have spare time |
| 22:23.27 | bobbyd | fdask: the link there doesnt work, that's the problem |
| 22:23.41 | treke | bobbyd: Use bitkeeper |
| 22:23.50 | fdask | oh... do you have buildroot? |
| 22:24.07 | kergoth | buildroot can build you a toolchain if you're patient |
| 22:24.09 | bobbyd | fdask: yes |
| 22:24.10 | fdask | the docs/BUILD txt has a link to an alternative toolchain |
| 22:24.35 | fdask | ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 22:24.37 | kergoth | fdask: reading docs. you and your extreme ideas |
| 22:24.50 | fdask | i like to shake up the establishment |
| 22:25.38 | andersee | fdask: I read some docs one. Was the worst 2 minutes of my life. |
| 22:25.44 | andersee | s/one/once/ |
| 22:26.49 | bobbyd | kergoth: ok, imagine you were someone who wanted to help on a project and get started. you go to the website, you read the faq, you try the link. it doesnt work. so you go to IRC and ask why the link is broken and what you need to do to get the toolchain. you then get ridiculed and sworn at for being an idiot. |
| 22:27.33 | mickeyl | *cough* would someone please correct the link and then lets get over that issue |
| 22:27.38 | bobbyd | it's a great welcome to the development of OZ, i hope you're all really happy that you've made someone who was enthusiastic and willing to help not want to bother |
| 22:27.53 | kergoth | apparently `ls` is quite a bother |
| 22:28.01 | kergoth | wouldnt want to see that docs dir or anything |
| 22:28.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, i'll take care of it |
| 22:28.13 | mickeyl | thanx |
| 22:28.22 | treke | kergoth: probably should just move 2.95.3 back into the direcoty |
| 22:28.30 | treke | since husky and shepherd need it |
| 22:28.33 | mickeyl | yeah, since it's still needed |
| 22:28.35 | bobbyd | if this is how you treat potential new developers I'm shocked |
| 22:28.37 | W8TVI | I guess it would help if I put the files to flash in the root dir of the CF card :) |
| 22:28.59 | bobbyd | this is my first attempt at helping on an open source project, I assumed it would be a friendly environment |
| 22:29.02 | mickeyl | bobbyd: call it initiation ritus, lough about it, and keep cool ) |
| 22:29.04 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 22:29.24 | mickeyl | we all have had that :D |
| 22:29.37 | mickeyl | well - maybe except our project leader ;) |
| 22:29.51 | kergoth | I have, not in this particular project, however |
| 22:29.54 | W8TVI | bobbyd, then you haven't dealt with linux geeks then |
| 22:30.14 | bobbyd | nope, I'm a games programmer |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | bobbyd: do read that url on how to ask questions, it would be beneficial |
| 22:30.33 | bobbyd | kergoth: i've already read it about 5 years ago |
| 22:30.40 | W8TVI | kergoth, we need that URL in the topic |
| 22:30.44 | kergoth | bobbyd: read it again. |
| 22:30.47 | kergoth | W8TVI: indeed. |
| 22:30.56 | W8TVI | bobbyd, then read it again and listen this time :P |
| 22:31.21 | bobbyd | i dont see how my question was at all ambiguous |
| 22:31.22 | kergoth | come on apache, you can build. |
| 22:31.41 | bobbyd | I think you need to gain some social skills |
| 22:31.42 | bobbyd | :) |
| 22:31.49 | mickeyl | lol |
| 22:31.52 | kergoth | I have social skills when I choose to exercise them |
| 22:31.55 | kergoth | or when you're paying me for support. |
| 22:31.58 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:31.59 | kergoth | so fork over some cash |
| 22:32.04 | bobbyd | $$$ |
| 22:32.06 | W8TVI | bobbyd, I think you need to gain linux social skills |
| 22:32.18 | mickeyl | better not ) |
| 22:32.49 | kergoth | bobbyd: once you've proven yourself to be semicompetent, I wont fuck with you anymore |
| 22:32.52 | kergoth | ask anyone around here |
| 22:33.02 | kergoth | or rather, not very often :P |
| 22:33.12 | W8TVI | kergoth: am I semicompetent yet? |
| 22:33.18 | W8TVI | ;) |
| 22:33.27 | kergoth | no comment |
| 22:33.27 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:33.30 | W8TVI | heh |
| 22:33.32 | bobbyd | I dont want to be fucked with at all thanks, I'd rather just get on with some coding |
| 22:33.51 | kergoth | aww thats so cute |
| 22:33.57 | kergoth | how he assumes his opinion matters |
| 22:33.58 | kergoth | *sniff* |
| 22:34.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:34.10 | bobbyd | kergoth: i'm probably old enough to be your dad |
| 22:34.11 | bobbyd | lol |
| 22:34.29 | bobbyd | I dont assume anything, everyones opinion matters ;) |
| 22:34.34 | kergoth | respect is earned, age doesnt help. |
| 22:34.45 | bobbyd | it would seem so |
| 22:35.06 | kergoth | now, to figure out why apache is exploding again |
| 22:35.16 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe/packages/tmp/base/apache-2.0.47-r0/httpd-2.0.47/srclib/apr/configure:Error: decision on anonymous shared memory allocation method failed |
| 22:35.19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:35.49 | bobbyd | I've got the stuff now, hope I can help in the future. |
| 22:35.51 | bobbyd | night |
| 22:35.56 | mickeyl | n8 |
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| 22:52.15 | stigger | What scripts get run when I drop the z in the cradle |
| 22:52.35 | kergoth | ls /etc/hotplug |
| 22:53.22 | stigger | all of them |
| 22:54.20 | treke | mickeyl: you tried op2 on shepherd? |
| 22:54.44 | stigger | I'm tring to make sure that sa1100_bi gets loaded |
| 22:54.58 | mickeyl | treke: no. but I heard it fails due to the embedix sound driver |
| 22:55.26 | treke | ah |
| 22:55.51 | treke | It doesnt seem to play anything, but it doesnt crash. |
| 22:56.01 | treke | The driver works somewhat since keyclicks work |
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| 22:56.34 | W8TVI | hmmm... this time the upgrade seems to be going ok... |
| 22:56.41 | kergoth | /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /lib/libpthread.so.0 when searching for /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 22:56.44 | kergoth | what the hell. |
| 22:56.47 | kergoth | /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 22:56.50 | kergoth | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 22:56.55 | kergoth | libpthread.so.0 is in the lib path.. |
| 22:57.00 | kergoth | but its not '/lib/libpthread.so.0' |
| 22:57.04 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:58.18 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:58.47 | W8TVI | dependincys suck |
| 22:59.34 | W8TVI | dependencies even |
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| 23:01.10 | W8TVI | http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/03/02/dependenciesSuck |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | root@miskatonic tmp]# rpm -i mplayer-gui-0.90rc4-2.i386.rpm |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | error: failed dependencies: |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | mplayer-skin is needed by mplayer-gui-0.90rc4-2 |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | [root@miskatonic tmp]# rpm -i mplayer-skin-default-1.6-3.noarch.rpm |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | error: failed dependencies: |
| 23:01.17 | W8TVI | mplayer-gui is needed by mplayer-skin-default-1.6-3 |
| 23:01.49 | kergoth | install them in one cmdline |
| 23:01.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.59 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:02.02 | W8TVI | but still |
| 23:02.05 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:02.15 | W8TVI | It's a bit stupid that the skin has a dependency on the gui. Sure, the skin is useless without the gui, but it doesn't _require_ it. Silly pacakgers, IMHO :) |
| 23:02.15 | W8TVI | Richard Jones - 2nd March 2003 20:51 |
| 23:02.58 | kergoth | heh, but the gui shoudltn depend ont he skin either. |
| 23:03.19 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:03.36 | W8TVI | it should have the skin built in |
| 23:03.44 | kergoth | thats less flexible |
| 23:03.52 | kergoth | though it _is_ the default one we're talking about |
| 23:03.55 | kergoth | even so. |
| 23:04.08 | W8TVI | yep |
| 23:04.24 | W8TVI | opieplayer has its defualt skin built in |
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| 23:05.38 | kergoth | suppose the skins should Recommends the gui |
| 23:05.42 | kergoth | and nothing in the other direction |
| 23:05.53 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:06.27 | W8TVI | have the program complain about the defualt skin not being installed |
| 23:06.34 | kergoth | yeah, thats much cleaner |
| 23:06.38 | W8TVI | don't have the depend on each other |
| 23:06.39 | kergoth | and retains flexibility |
| 23:07.21 | W8TVI | "Hey stupid! you forgot to install a skin!" |
| 23:08.41 | W8TVI | dang that vera font... |
| 23:09.05 | W8TVI | it seems to slow ipkg down to a crawl everytime! |
| 23:09.25 | kergoth | its regenerating the qt fontdir file in its postinst |
| 23:09.30 | kergoth | to ensure it matches what fonts really exist |
| 23:09.44 | mule | yes it definitely pauses for a while on vera |
| 23:09.59 | kergoth | should make that script faster |
| 23:10.03 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 23:10.06 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 23:10.08 | mule | its fine |
| 23:10.10 | kergoth | why the hell is this failing |
| 23:10.25 | kergoth | dont look for /lib/libpthread.so.0, bastard. |
| 23:10.28 | kergoth | look for libpthread.so.0 |
| 23:10.33 | kergoth | grr. |
| 23:10.58 | W8TVI | mule: not when it hangs on that file for 30mins or more on half of the upgrade runs |
| 23:11.10 | kergoth | uh, that isnt the script |
| 23:11.14 | kergoth | thats probably jffs2 hanging |
| 23:11.17 | kergoth | which has nothing to do with vera |
| 23:11.22 | mickeyl | 2.4.6 strikes again |
| 23:11.28 | mule | you wat 30 minutes? |
| 23:11.54 | W8TVI | I have had it not hang on that package 2 times |
| 23:12.24 | W8TVI | most of the time, I ctrl-c it and install that file by it self |
| 23:12.33 | W8TVI | then restart upgrade |
| 23:14.42 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:14.55 | mickeyl | usr/local/arm/3.3.1-uclibc/bin/arm-uclibc-gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fstrict-aliasing -Os -mlittle-endian -mtune=strongarm1100 -march=armv4 -fno-builtin -nostdinc -D_LIBC -I../../include -I. -I/usr/local/arm/3.3.1-uclibc/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/include -DNDEBUG -fPIC -I../../libpthread/linuxthreads/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux -I../../libpthread/linuxthreads/sysdeps/pthread -I../../li |
| 23:14.55 | mickeyl | In file included from signals.c:24: |
| 23:14.55 | mickeyl | ../../include/bits/sigcontextinfo.h:21:29: kernel-features.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:14.55 | mickeyl | make[3]: *** [signals.o] Error 1 |
| 23:15.04 | mickeyl | kernel-features ? |
| 23:15.04 | kergoth | ah ha! /me found the problem |
| 23:15.23 | mickeyl | andersee: this is where the gcc 3.3.1-uclibc toolchain build stops at |
| 23:15.42 | mickeyl | is my glibc too old? |
| 23:15.46 | mickeyl | kergoth: what was it? |
| 23:16.24 | kergoth | at leeast, i can make it go away.. but only by removing the -pthread cflag |
| 23:17.04 | mickeyl | then download it |
| 23:17.09 | andersee | mickeyl: I fixed that before the release |
| 23:17.17 | W8TVI | I've tried it and it don't work... |
| 23:17.21 | mickeyl | andersee: aah, ok - that was the build from yesterday. |
| 23:17.34 | andersee | mickeyl: You seem to have a uClibc snapshot from a couple days ago |
| 23:17.39 | kergoth | heh, -lpthread fails in the same way |
| 23:17.45 | kergoth | damn you gcc. |
| 23:17.50 | kergoth | find it in my lib path, not in /lib. |
| 23:18.38 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for cmartin: rebuild your kernel to let the VT problems go away. inputmethod size is fixed. |
| 23:20.33 | kergoth | this is so strange. |
| 23:20.58 | kergoth | oh |
| 23:21.00 | kergoth | i'm an idiot. |
| 23:21.59 | pb_ | kergoth: oh dear |
| 23:22.38 | pb_ | hah |
| 23:22.40 | kergoth | uhm, nevermind. |
| 23:22.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:23.48 | kergoth | is there a way to reference the dir the script is in, from the script? |
| 23:23.53 | kergoth | so i can have it check in the damn dir its in :) |
| 23:24.05 | W8TVI | ./? |
| 23:24.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:24.15 | pb_ | dirname $0, I guess |
| 23:24.35 | kergoth | W8TVI: ./ is probably pwd, the dir the user's buliding in, not the dir the script resides in. |
| 23:24.37 | pb_ | . would be your cwd, which might be different. |
| 23:24.40 | kergoth | right |
| 23:25.26 | pb_ | in the degenerate case, $0 would be ./myscript and the directory would indeed be . |
| 23:32.26 | CIA | repository=03buildroot user=11mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 23:32.26 | CIA | 07ChangeSet@1.1313 Makefile: version bump due to enhanced model support ;) |
| 23:32.39 | mickeyl | d'oh! |
| 23:32.39 | kergoth | mickeyl: avoid using commit -d |
| 23:32.43 | mickeyl | that was hours away |
| 23:32.43 | kergoth | mickeyl: the messages arent very useful |
| 23:32.47 | kergoth | cia was offline |
| 23:32.51 | kergoth | navi was down |
| 23:33.00 | mickeyl | hmm - i never used bk commit -d |
| 23:33.06 | mickeyl | just using bk commit here |
| 23:33.12 | kergoth | you arent specifying changeset comments then |
| 23:33.16 | kergoth | note Makefile: |
| 23:33.20 | kergoth | is that toplevel? |
| 23:33.26 | mickeyl | no |
| 23:33.31 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 23:33.34 | mickeyl | i see |
| 23:33.40 | kergoth | it doesnt hsow the path when using the default changeset comments |
| 23:33.45 | kergoth | (aka commit -d) |
| 23:34.01 | mickeyl | how can i create a changeset comment via command line (always created them via citool) |
| 23:34.04 | kergoth | so i've been avoiding its use, doing commit -y"bleh" |
| 23:34.21 | kergoth | eheh |
| 23:34.22 | mickeyl | k |
| 23:34.33 | kergoth | ci accepts -y too |
| 23:34.38 | kergoth | its the equiv of cvs's -m |
| 23:35.04 | mule | yes!! I forked a process |
| 23:35.09 | mickeyl | bed time |
| 23:35.12 | mickeyl | g'night all |
| 23:35.17 | kergoth | night mickeyl |
| 23:38.13 | mule | If I know a process id, is it possible to send something to that process's stdin ? |
| 23:38.40 | W8TVI | that was werid... I had opie shut down to do the update, and I wanted to shut off the backlight, so I held down the menu button for a sec and the zaurus shut off |
| 23:48.32 | kergoth | pb_: its a linker script, looks like just changing /lib/libpthread.so.0 to libpthread.so.0 was sufficient |
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| 23:48.43 | kergoth | course now i'm getting undefined references, but thats unrelated |
| 23:50.11 | chouimat | hmmmm who is sending me a 50MB email |
| 23:50.59 | _Psycho | Wow, thats it i just quit EQ |
| 23:51.05 | _Psycho | that was had to leave all the friends there |
| 23:51.10 | _Psycho | canceled account |
| 23:51.12 | _Psycho | selling them |
| 23:51.20 | _Psycho | Gonna have time for stuff now ! |
| 23:51.29 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:52.11 | _Psycho | I have been playing that game mostly everynight for 4 years |
| 23:54.16 | kergoth | wow |
| 23:54.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:54.54 | kergoth | me neither. i get bored |
| 23:55.00 | chouimat | eq? |
| 23:55.09 | kergoth | chouimat: everquest |
| 23:55.46 | kergoth | most games i play last about an hour |
| 23:56.15 | kergoth | treke: you know any decent rpgs for ps2? |
| 23:57.22 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.41 | chouimat | kergoth: the upcoming Final Fantasy? |
| 23:58.54 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 23:59.54 | treke | kergoth: Nope. Not much of an rpg person |
| 23:59.58 | treke | kergoth: I know I hated FFX |