| 00:00.18 | mickeyl | k, it isn't about _your_ time zone |
| 00:00.21 | mickeyl | about foreign ones |
| 00:01.10 | Speedy2 | Well, I was moving about |
| 00:01.13 | Speedy2 | And I didn't know |
| 00:01.22 | ljp | hmmmpft |
| 00:01.25 | Speedy2 | Anyway, it could be better |
| 00:01.27 | Speedy2 | Hehe ljp :) |
| 00:02.18 | mickeyl | cmartin: zecke will work on the "bigScreen" problem in the next days |
| 00:02.29 | ljp | mickeyl: there was a recent fix for some qcop problems with the quicklauncher, it may be in a qtopia snapshot |
| 00:02.53 | mickeyl | ljp: good to know. thanks. |
| 00:03.03 | ljp | someone may want to look at that, as qcop calls were being dropped in certain situations |
| 00:03.22 | mickeyl | please remember to tell zecke and Harlekin if i forget |
| 00:03.42 | mickeyl | i wonder why the snapshots are version 1.6.2 |
| 00:03.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: did you see him in another chanel? |
| 00:04.12 | mickeyl | no we talked about that a few days ago |
| 00:04.22 | mickeyl | treke: where did you learn ::ioctl(fd, APM_IOCGEVTSRC, 0); from ? |
| 00:04.33 | mickeyl | that is way cool |
| 00:04.44 | cmartin | mickeyl: which "bigScreen" problem do you mean? |
| 00:04.59 | treke | mickeyl: where did you find that? |
| 00:05.04 | mickeyl | cmartin: well - applications which look shitty on big screens because they're not using the real estate |
| 00:05.09 | mickeyl | s/real/screen |
| 00:05.16 | mickeyl | treke: ah it was already in |
| 00:05.22 | treke | ? |
| 00:05.24 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.25 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.25 | mickeyl | @@ -2184,7 +2262,6 @@ |
| 00:05.25 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.25 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.35 | treke | ah :p |
| 00:05.45 | mickeyl | we need to patch that embedix kernel |
| 00:05.51 | mickeyl | the brightness resolution sucks! |
| 00:06.07 | cmartin | mickeyl: like the clock-change-information after reboot? |
| 00:06.12 | Speedy2 | Will the Z be able to turn off more quickly with Opie 1.0 ? |
| 00:06.23 | Speedy2 | mickeyl: You mean the brightness setting on the LCD needs more levels? |
| 00:06.39 | treke | Speedy2: Nope |
| 00:07.10 | mickeyl | cmartin: no no, i don't mean problems ... i mean more like "they could look better", e.g. advancedfm could display both tabs simultaneously |
| 00:07.36 | mickeyl | Speedy2: more as in a more fine grained resolution. more steps. |
| 00:07.42 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 00:07.44 | Speedy2 | On the Z or Simpad? |
| 00:07.46 | mickeyl | Z |
| 00:07.56 | mickeyl | kergoth already managed that on collie |
| 00:07.57 | Speedy2 | PWM resolution is 8-bits |
| 00:08.00 | Speedy2 | There should be 256 levels. |
| 00:08.04 | Speedy2 | or 255 and off ;) |
| 00:08.20 | cmartin | mickeyl: do you have any idea, why that Information message is shown fine the first time the image is booted, but after that only the title bar is shown? |
| 00:08.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: not really. it is for sure a race condition in the qt event loop and I hate fiddling around race conditions... but i will look at it |
| 00:10.23 | mickeyl | treke: just built a combined shepherd image gcc2/gcc3. the keyboard patch is also in. will flash that tomorrow and report... |
| 00:10.27 | mickeyl | now is bed time for me |
| 00:10.30 | mickeyl | g'night all |
| 00:10.33 | Speedy2 | NIght |
| 00:10.37 | Speedy2 | err |
| 00:10.38 | Speedy2 | Knight ;) |
| 00:12.10 | cmartin | me too |
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| 00:37.46 | Ronnybfa | i have an ipaq 3970 (PXA) with opie 1 and fam .7 i want to have a webserver with php on it, anyone has a particular package to recommend ?? |
| 00:39.48 | Taekero | thats it, i'm deleting that script... its just too annoying |
| 00:39.54 | Taekero | sorry about htat |
| 00:57.29 | Taekero | well, i'm gonna try the unofficial 5600 image, using the Q+T key method, (it dosen't rely on flash, aka, maintenance menu, from what i read) |
| 00:58.09 | Taekero | it was a big plus to find the 5600 flash contents |
| 00:59.30 | Taekero | someone has to try it -_- |
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| 01:14.14 | heatxsink | opie keeps kicking me out to the "tiny login" ! |
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| 01:15.57 | heatxsink | can anyone help? |
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| 02:41.59 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:43.39 | W8TVI | m00 noda |
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| 03:47.48 | stigger | hi all I'm trying to compile the buildroot and keep getting this error Generating dependency information... |
| 03:47.50 | stigger | panic: end_shift at /home/jeff/buildroot-oz/scripts/deps.pl line 22, <FILE> line 18. |
| 03:47.50 | stigger | make: *** [/home/jeff/buildroot-oz/.depends] Error 25 |
| 03:47.53 | stigger | any ideas |
| 03:53.19 | tiptone | do you happen to be using RedHat 9 ? |
| 03:54.14 | stigger | strangly enough yes |
| 03:54.29 | tiptone | you're problem is with RH's Perl package |
| 03:54.37 | tiptone | i had the same thing earlier this week |
| 03:54.57 | stigger | any pointers on ow to fix |
| 03:55.05 | tiptone | it works on a rawhide machine (perl5.8.1-blah.rc2.rpm) |
| 03:55.18 | tiptone | i had to do the build on a Debian install |
| 03:55.29 | tiptone | i couldn't get it to work with any RH 9 box |
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| 03:59.02 | stigger | ok I'll have a look |
| 04:14.53 | W8TVI | that interesting... |
| 04:15.12 | W8TVI | lsusb reports the interface for the zaurus as: |
| 04:15.33 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.32 | heatxsink | opie keeps kicking me out to the "tiny login" ! |
| 04:20.48 | W8TVI | heatxsink: just uninstall it |
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| 04:21.03 | heatxsink | huh? |
| 04:21.07 | heatxsink | uninstall what? |
| 04:21.13 | W8TVI | tinylogin |
| 04:21.15 | W8TVI | :P |
| 04:21.20 | heatxsink | i mean.. |
| 04:21.24 | heatxsink | what happens is.. |
| 04:21.32 | heatxsink | so I reset the zaurus |
| 04:21.40 | heatxsink | and it just boot to the tinylogin |
| 04:25.41 | W8TVI | its too bad that the opie programs dont have multi user support |
| 04:26.14 | W8TVI | heatxsink: do you have an sl-5500? |
| 04:31.35 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: You are free to finish support |
| 04:31.54 | treke|ho1e | It causes more problems than it solves |
| 04:33.00 | W8TVI | treke|ho1e: hows that? |
| 04:34.05 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: Qtopia was not designed to run as a non root user |
| 04:34.22 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: Shoe horning support in calls for nasty hacks |
| 04:35.56 | W8TVI | doesn't Qtopia run as user zaurus on sharp rom 3.10? |
| 04:36.07 | treke|ho1e | Yes it does |
| 04:36.24 | treke|ho1e | Sharp is the definition of nasty hacks |
| 04:36.47 | W8TVI | how hard would it be to make the pims save in a users home dir and not the root one? |
| 04:36.57 | treke|ho1e | They already do |
| 04:37.28 | W8TVI | then why does the pims show me my info from root, when I log in as another user? |
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| 04:38.09 | treke|ho1e | Beats me |
| 04:38.22 | treke|ho1e | They do the right thing |
| 04:43.53 | W8TVI | hmmm... none of the programs I have started have made thier own dirs in the users home dir |
| 04:44.24 | W8TVI | the only thing in there is ~/Applications/qimpen |
| 04:45.29 | W8TVI | looks like opie is a hack of a bad hack |
| 04:45.57 | W8TVI | just a better writen hack than most |
| 04:46.00 | W8TVI | :P |
| 04:46.01 | treke|ho1e | looks like your home directory is not where you think it is |
| 04:46.16 | W8TVI | I made a new user called zaurus |
| 04:46.22 | W8TVI | and I loged on to it |
| 04:46.25 | treke|ho1e | Like I said. The apps do the right thing. |
| 04:46.26 | W8TVI | in opie |
| 04:46.43 | W8TVI | the apps are using the data in root |
| 04:47.15 | treke|ho1e | And where is $HOME |
| 04:50.32 | W8TVI | under root $HOME = /root |
| 04:50.40 | W8TVI | same thing under the zaurus user |
| 04:50.49 | treke|ho1e | So you see the apps are doing the right thing |
| 04:51.02 | W8TVI | now why isn't it setting $HOME to the user home dir? |
| 04:51.09 | noda | W8TVI: It is. The user is root. |
| 04:51.52 | noda | Install opie-login and try logging in as another user. Until it crashes, try adding calendar items, etc. Then watch that user's home directory. |
| 04:52.16 | W8TVI | I have opie-login installed |
| 04:52.20 | treke|ho1e | noda: Eh/ Shouldnt crash |
| 04:52.27 | noda | treke|ho1e: Oh, n/m then :) |
| 04:52.34 | W8TVI | and I'm under the user zaurus |
| 04:52.40 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: echo $LOGNAME |
| 04:52.45 | W8TVI | but $HOME is /root |
| 04:52.48 | W8TVI | holdo n |
| 04:53.19 | treke|ho1e | noda: Core opie will work fine with the nonroot patch applied |
| 04:53.20 | W8TVI | grrr! $LOGNAME = root |
| 04:53.26 | noda | Cool |
| 04:53.28 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: So apparently you arent root |
| 04:53.35 | noda | :) |
| 04:53.47 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 04:53.51 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heya |
| 04:53.53 | W8TVI | not loged on as root, or loged on as root |
| 04:53.55 | W8TVI | ? |
| 04:54.06 | noda | W8TVI: Look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary :) |
| 04:54.59 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: Apparently your are logged in as root |
| 04:55.03 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: so tell me.. in css... i have a table.something td {} which means it'll apply to all tables of style something, but how do i make it not apply to td's inside of tables inside of tables of style something |
| 04:55.03 | TheMasterMind1 | =P |
| 04:55.09 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: run ps aux | grep qpe |
| 04:55.33 | noda | TheMasterMind1: 1. s/style/class/g |
| 04:55.54 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 04:55.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i knew that |
| 04:56.01 | noda | TheMasterMind1: 2. table.something table td { background: transparent; other-thing: not-what-you-did-before; etc } |
| 04:56.09 | W8TVI | treke|ho1e: what info are you looking for from that |
| 04:56.10 | W8TVI | ? |
| 04:56.19 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: ah, cool |
| 04:56.22 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: I'm looking for the process onwner of qpe |
| 04:56.30 | noda | TheMasterMind1: IDEALLY you'd just use "table.something > td {}" and it'd only apply to direct children. However, IE doesn't support this selector. |
| 04:57.38 | W8TVI | 8747 root 8924 S /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 04:57.46 | treke|ho1e | You are logged in as root |
| 04:57.53 | treke|ho1e | plain and simple |
| 04:58.04 | W8TVI | it sucks not having a wireless card |
| 04:58.13 | W8TVI | got to try everything out |
| 04:58.21 | W8TVI | try = type |
| 04:59.11 | noda | I wish I had debian on my main box. |
| 04:59.21 | noda | Compiling from source is great and all, but... it sucks :P |
| 04:59.35 | treke|ho1e | what distro is on your main box? |
| 04:59.47 | W8TVI | dang it... quiting opie loging messes up the keyboard |
| 04:59.54 | treke|ho1e | Reboot |
| 05:00.06 | noda | Um. It used to be slackware 8 or so. It can now only be referred to as "noda's mad distro" |
| 05:00.06 | treke|ho1e | known bug |
| 05:00.11 | W8TVI | hasn't anyone fixed that yet? |
| 05:00.13 | noda | All programs compiled from source. |
| 05:00.20 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: No. |
| 05:00.24 | noda | Just look at the time saved. "Preparing to replace perl 5.6.1-8.2 (using .../perl_5.8.0-18_i386.deb) ..." |
| 05:00.41 | W8TVI | guess I'll have to go in there and fix my copy |
| 05:00.53 | treke|ho1e | feel free |
| 05:00.56 | W8TVI | if I can find that file that has the problem... |
| 05:01.43 | treke|ho1e | core/apps/opie-login/loginapplication.cpp |
| 05:01.45 | W8TVI | /etc/init.d/opie |
| 05:02.37 | W8TVI | hmmm... they did fix that one |
| 05:02.48 | treke|ho1e | you can't restart opie after logging out and be able to log back in |
| 05:02.54 | treke|ho1e | the getty takes control of the keyboard |
| 05:03.44 | treke|ho1e | someone needs to get opie to start on a new virtual terminal |
| 05:04.03 | noda | /dev/tty7? |
| 05:04.03 | treke|ho1e | noda: This damn gentoo box is annoying the hell out of me :) |
| 05:04.19 | W8TVI | hmm... the first line of /etc/init.d/opie has [ -z $LOGNAME ] && export LOGNAME=root && export HOME=/root |
| 05:04.25 | noda | treke|ho1e: I was annoyed by Gentoo within about a day. As long as it took to compile for the first time :) |
| 05:06.14 | W8TVI | woulnd removing "&& export LOGNAME=root && export HOME=/root" stop it from calling the user root if you loged in as some other user? |
| 05:06.40 | noda | You're not asking yourself why the author did it like that? :) |
| 05:06.41 | W8TVI | does anyone know the perpous of that line? |
| 05:06.53 | noda | W8TVI: To disable the effects of opie-login :) |
| 05:07.23 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: No that wouldnt do it |
| 05:07.29 | W8TVI | ok, I'll ask this: If I comment out that line, will it break opie? |
| 05:07.46 | treke|ho1e | Probably |
| 05:10.04 | W8TVI | I"m looking at the CVS for opie and I dont see opie-login |
| 05:10.16 | W8TVI | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/core/apps/?only_with_tag=BRANCH_1_0 |
| 05:10.48 | W8TVI | its too bad I run RH9, I'd go download the buildroot |
| 05:12.05 | W8TVI | treke|ho1e: FYI its core/opie-login/ |
| 05:26.37 | W8TVI | so what programing language is all this stuff writen in? |
| 05:26.41 | W8TVI | C? |
| 05:27.12 | treke|ho1e | C++ |
| 05:27.45 | W8TVI | ah ok |
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| 05:28.03 | W8TVI | why does X-Chat show pluses as commas? |
| 05:28.05 | Taekero | well... the unofficial poodle runs... opie does not, and there is a bug that exists in sharp's rom still... you hold the right direction pad/arrow for an extended period of time, and the zaurus suspends, but it is more serious... it dosen't wake back up |
| 05:28.27 | W8TVI | yeck |
| 05:28.38 | W8TVI | dang... got to charge my mouse |
| 05:28.57 | Taekero | W8TVI: as commas? |
| 05:29.01 | Taekero | wierd |
| 05:29.07 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 05:29.25 | Taekero | its fine here... win32 build |
| 05:29.30 | W8TVI | some one forgot to put the mouse on the charge stand >:-( |
| 05:30.11 | W8TVI | ++ |
| 05:31.09 | W8TVI | the only bad thing about a wireless mouse |
| 05:31.26 | W8TVI | + |
| 05:31.27 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 05:31.32 | W8TVI | not commas |
| 05:31.37 | W8TVI | but something like them |
| 05:33.15 | Taekero | i guess i'll try tkc on my 5600.. cant hurt... |
| 05:36.12 | W8TVI | yeah it can hurt |
| 05:36.26 | W8TVI | its just as bad as the sharp fom |
| 05:36.31 | W8TVI | rom, even |
| 05:37.25 | Taekero | well... gotta look, heh |
| 05:41.13 | Taekero | i was hoping that oz on the 5600 was functional enough to be able to use my wireless adapter... wlan-ng and my prism2 card do not get along well |
| 05:45.10 | W8TVI | untill my wireless card went south on me, it worked right out of the box on both the sharp rom and OZ |
| 05:45.20 | W8TVI | its a prism2 card |
| 05:45.22 | W8TVI | ma701 |
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| 05:53.14 | Taekero | W8TVI: well, my probelm might be related to my SSID also.. "ICC Student" |
| 05:54.02 | Taekero | i fixed /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng a few times to accomidate for spaces in the SSID, but I still could not get it working |
| 05:54.19 | W8TVI | I dont use spaces |
| 05:54.22 | W8TVI | I just use W8TVI :) |
| 05:54.35 | Taekero | i cant help it... maybe i can complain to the college ;) |
| 05:55.30 | Taekero | it works with kismet great though... pretec wlan... good on battery also |
| 05:56.07 | Taekero | brb, gotta dump the sharp rom back on my cf card, tkc wont even boot |
| 05:56.18 | W8TVI | heh |
| 06:01.27 | Taekero | ah, the familiar sharp splash |
| 06:01.30 | Taekero | heh |
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| 10:31.27 | Ronnybfa | lo |
| 10:31.27 | Ronnybfa | ;) |
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| 12:31.52 | Ronnybfa | i cant seem to figure out how to save my current linux image before restoring my wince, in case i want to switch back . |
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| 12:59.08 | cmartin | OT-Question - anybody here familiar with apt-get? |
| 12:59.44 | _Yog_ | cmartin: a little bit ... what's the problem |
| 13:00.21 | cmartin | when running apt-get upgrade I get a lot of packages that are held back |
| 13:00.45 | cmartin | if i run apt-get install PACKAGE i see why |
| 13:01.34 | cmartin | but running apt-cache show DEP_PACKAGE and i see that a package that fulfills the dep is there (in my list) |
| 13:02.21 | _Yog_ | try apt-get dist-upgrade ... then all pending packages are installed ... however some may be removed or replaced ... so better try apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 13:03.14 | cmartin | -u makes sure that other packages aren't removed that wouldn't be upgraded ? |
| 13:03.49 | _Yog_ | -u just shows you what apt-get will do, so you can confirm it. |
| 13:03.59 | cmartin | k |
| 13:04.20 | cmartin | but, before i do something really wrong let me tell you what i've done: |
| 13:04.34 | _Yog_ | sometimes packages are removed, because they are replaced by others ... in that case you need dist-upgrade |
| 13:05.34 | _Yog_ | are you using sid ? |
| 13:06.02 | cmartin | in order to get a running debian system fast i installed knoppix to hd and now i want to upgrade that |
| 13:07.35 | cmartin | knoppix is a mix between woody, sarge and sid |
| 13:08.19 | cmartin | i changed my default system to sid in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:08.40 | cmartin | and added sid to the trees in the mirror lists |
| 13:08.44 | _Yog_ | I don't know much about Knoppix ... does the dist-upgrade want to remove crucial packages, which are not listed under "will be installed" ? |
| 13:09.09 | cmartin | i'll check, wait |
| 13:10.22 | cmartin | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 13:10.22 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.22 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.34 | _Yog_ | If you have a decend connection the net-install is pretty fast as well (and also works perfectly within vmware) |
| 13:13.05 | _Yog_ | except console-tools-libs this doesn't sound that bad ... just the development-packages, which are probably (or can be) replaced by newer ones. |
| 13:13.29 | cmartin | well dist-upgrade looks good - only this is kept back now: |
| 13:13.33 | cmartin | The following packages have been kept back |
| 13:13.33 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.34 | _Yog_ | I'm not sure if you really need console-tools-libs (dpkg -L console-tools-libs shows you the contents of the package) |
| 13:14.56 | _Yog_ | under sid there are always some packages which can not be installed, because some dependencies are not yet uploaded ... it's the unstable branch ! ;-) |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libcfont.so.0.0.0 |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libconsole.so.0.0.0 |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libctutils.so.0.0.0 |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libcfont.so.0 |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libconsole.so.0 |
| 13:15.41 | cmartin | /lib/libctutils.so.0 |
| 13:16.00 | cmartin | those are the libs in console-tools-libs |
| 13:17.23 | cmartin | how can i say like, make sarge my default, but i want kde from sid - or something like that |
| 13:20.02 | _Yog_ | that doesn't really work that well. There are unofficial back-ports for kde3 for sarge and woody. But mixing directly wouldn't work, as you need to much new libraries for kde, which are not yet in sarge. You can somehow select which package should be from what branch, but I don't know how to do this ... anyway sid is pretty usable and stable. Never had too much trouble with it. |
| 13:21.33 | cmartin | k |
| 13:22.03 | cmartin | i've used a lot of dists and wanted to give debian a try for some time now |
| 13:22.16 | cmartin | i'm a little sick of RPM |
| 13:22.27 | cmartin | jigdo is cool too |
| 13:24.33 | _Yog_ | if you know what vi is, and what files life under /etc/ , debian is one of the best things imho. |
| 13:25.41 | cmartin | oh that's no problem for me - i've never really been the "point-and-klick" type of person |
| 13:26.14 | cmartin | and i've been using linux for some time now |
| 13:27.00 | cmartin | first suse, then Redhat, then MDK - (all RPM-based) |
| 13:27.27 | cmartin | oh and i almost forgot gentoo also |
| 13:28.16 | cmartin | gentoo was nice, but i don't really all my packages to be built from source everytime i want to update it - binary packages are fine for me |
| 13:28.45 | _Yog_ | package-handling is much better in debian (gentoo comes close to this). Normally you never have to care for dependencies. everything is done automatic. |
| 13:29.04 | cmartin | yes that's why i wanted to switch |
| 13:29.19 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 13:29.19 | _Yog_ | yeah ... 20 hours for kde in gentoo ... I once tried it within vmware. |
| 13:29.46 | cmartin | package management under gentoo was nice, but exerything is built from source - takes a lot of time |
| 13:29.57 | cmartin | hi mickeyl |
| 13:30.02 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 13:31.17 | cmartin | mickeyl: i now have debian running and since i just bought a DVD recorder i'm gonna try building a debian DVD from jigdo - jigdo is cool |
| 13:32.47 | mickeyl | jigdo? |
| 13:32.52 | cmartin | with jigdo you can build your own debian dist CDs or DVDs and even just update those images without having to download a complete iso |
| 13:33.06 | mickeyl | sounds good |
| 13:33.09 | mickeyl | which dvdr did you buy? |
| 13:33.57 | cmartin | the one on sale at MediaMarkt - BTC - never heard of it |
| 13:34.12 | _Yog_ | what do you want with a debian DVD ? debian lives from updates from the net ... and you normally just install the packages you want, and nothing more (unlike these other bloated distros) |
| 13:35.07 | cmartin | _Yog_: just for first-time installations |
| 13:35.51 | cmartin | mickeyl: it supports DVD+R, -R, +RW, -RW and CD-R/RW |
| 13:36.20 | _Yog_ | there are minimal cds with the base system, which are just about 60MB or so ;-) |
| 13:36.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: i also bought a DVD-ROM Drive - so now i can make direct copies of DVDs |
| 13:36.29 | mickeyl | nice |
| 13:36.54 | cmartin | mickeyl: oh, i forgot the DVD recorder only costs 169 EUR |
| 13:40.09 | mickeyl | hmm.... |
| 13:40.10 | mickeyl | to late |
| 13:40.15 | mickeyl | i already have one :) |
| 13:44.17 | cmartin | _Yog_: maybe you're right, i'm just used to those dists where you download iso images usually in order to update - except for gentoo of course |
| 13:45.40 | _Yog_ | that's imho the strength of debian ... you just install what you really need, and you can keep everything up to date with a simple apt-get update. |
| 13:48.02 | _Yog_ | but mandrake uses rpms ... debs are much better. ;-) |
| 13:48.39 | mickeyl | i don't see that |
| 13:51.34 | _Yog_ | I don't know to much about rpms ... but do they contain scripts ? Debs can contain scripts, which are executed during the installation (pre-install, port-install ...). So the packages can try to update configs if anything has changed, or rearrange directory layouts (of course the user has to confirm this, debian will never overwrite any user-modifictaions automatically like SuSe). |
| 13:52.40 | mickeyl | of course rpm contain pre/post/install/remove |
| 13:52.49 | mickeyl | and SuSE is a bad example because it plain sucks :) |
| 13:52.56 | mickeyl | Mandrake doesn't overwrite user changes |
| 13:53.06 | mickeyl | don't see why germany is so fond of SuSE |
| 13:53.16 | _Yog_ | ack ;-) |
| 13:54.34 | cmartin | second that |
| 13:55.30 | _Yog_ | Suse is nice for first-time users ... but using it in a professional way, it is next to useless. Yast makes this possible. ;-) |
| 13:56.38 | cmartin | but, redhat splits off of main stream with a lot of packages and MDK still has financial problems, so that the future is not predictable there |
| 13:57.03 | mickeyl | mandrake did cancel the bankrupcy protection lately |
| 13:57.12 | mickeyl | they are in good shape again as i can see |
| 13:57.25 | cmartin | they did? that's good |
| 13:57.29 | _Yog_ | mmmh ... to be a little more on topic: is the next opie1.0 simpad release fast than the current image ? That's why I still stick to the (unsupported) X11-Image. VNC is just *much* faster than keypebble under opie. |
| 13:57.58 | cmartin | _Yog_: it will be since it's going to include 1.0.2 |
| 13:58.19 | mickeyl | Yog: yes and no. |
| 13:58.31 | mickeyl | it will launch applications faster, but it won't draw faster |
| 13:58.55 | mickeyl | as I predict now, first bunch of faster drawing will be made in OpenSIMpad 0.9 w/ Kernel 2.6 |
| 13:59.08 | mickeyl | second bunch of faster drawing will come when Opie bases on Qt/Embedded 4 |
| 13:59.13 | _Yog_ | mmh ... I don't know if the speed issue comes from opie or from keypebble. |
| 13:59.44 | cmartin | opie does draw slow at the moment on the SIMpad |
| 14:00.13 | mickeyl | opie draws slow everywhere but it isn't noticable |
| 14:00.22 | mickeyl | 800x600 is way more pixels than 320x240 |
| 14:00.24 | cmartin | _Yog_: but mickeyl did fix that destroyed screen problem after resume ;-) |
| 14:00.31 | mickeyl | hah! :D |
| 14:00.57 | cmartin | yes, I'm impressed |
| 14:01.02 | mickeyl | when there is a sucky kernel... just fix it in userspace *lol* |
| 14:01.14 | _Yog_ | well ... under vnc this makes a big difference ... as it draws all the time ! ;-) |
| 14:01.31 | mickeyl | cmartin: you wouldn't anymore if you'd see the oneliner ;) |
| 14:01.40 | mickeyl | but it's the idea which counts :) |
| 14:02.03 | cmartin | he |
| 14:02.44 | cmartin | what did you do? |
| 14:02.51 | mickeyl | really want to know? |
| 14:03.15 | mickeyl | okay... promise to not lough on me |
| 14:03.23 | cmartin | i thought opie couldn't notice the resume since it the power button is setup in the kernel |
| 14:03.49 | cmartin | or are you always refreshing? |
| 14:04.15 | mickeyl | wait |
| 14:04.20 | mickeyl | i'll get you the oneliner |
| 14:04.56 | mickeyl | res = ( ::system ( "cat /dev/fb/0 >/tmp/.buffer; echo > /proc/sys/pm/suspend; cat /tmp/.buffer >/dev/fb/0" ) == 0 |
| 14:05.39 | cmartin | hahahaha |
| 14:05.52 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:06.18 | mickeyl | don't tell anyone :) |
| 14:06.20 | cmartin | interesting way to work that out - ROFL |
| 14:07.28 | _Yog_ | mmmh ... that should work for my x11 display as well ! ;-))) |
| 14:07.37 | mickeyl | probably |
| 14:07.37 | mickeyl | we will soon see the GPE folks copying that idea :) |
| 14:13.45 | _Yog_ | another silly question: how can I convince depmod to build a dependency-file when cross-compiling the kernel ? It complains about that the module xyz is not this architecture (x86 and arm) ? |
| 14:13.55 | mickeyl | you can't. |
| 14:14.23 | mickeyl | you patch your Makefile so that it doesn't call depmod. |
| 14:16.18 | _Yog_ | and how do i get the modules.dep then ? |
| 14:17.11 | mickeyl | you get that on the target system |
| 14:17.19 | mickeyl | we call depmod -ae in the postinst script |
| 14:17.46 | _Yog_ | bad thing if you have a ro fs. ;-) |
| 14:17.58 | mickeyl | right. |
| 14:18.06 | mickeyl | read only rootfs is a bad thing anyway :) |
| 14:18.13 | mickeyl | ~lart cromfs |
| 14:19.08 | mickeyl | well, if there is no other option you can generate a depmod on a writable fs and copy it back, but that's cumbersume. |
| 14:19.29 | cmartin | _Yog_: are you using the X11 image from SF or the newer GPE image from hh.org? |
| 14:20.13 | _Yog_ | the SF-Image .... the never got the GPE-Image to boot beyond the kernel init. |
| 14:20.34 | _Yog_ | s/the never/I never/ |
| 14:20.47 | cmartin | _Yog_: they didn't - i thought it works, but only on the SL4 |
| 14:23.42 | _Yog_ | yes ... and I have a CL4 ... and GPE is bloated again ... all I want to have is a thinclient, which uses vnc/rdesktop/x11 to connect to the server. |
| 14:24.05 | mickeyl | opie-rdesktop will come with OpenSIMpad 0.8.1 |
| 14:25.41 | _Yog_ | as I said ... when it's fast enough I'm more than happy to get rid of this fiddling around with the x11-image. |
| 14:26.27 | _Yog_ | is opie-rdesktop the cvs-version ? Because the stable release does not support rdp 5.x ... hence no true colour when using it with xp. |
| 14:29.19 | mickeyl | hmm... no idea |
| 14:29.25 | mickeyl | i just tried once |
| 14:29.30 | mickeyl | and it looked colorful :) |
| 14:29.39 | mickeyl | you won't get true color anyway on a 65535 color device |
| 14:29.40 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:30.53 | mickeyl | must run now |
| 14:31.00 | mickeyl | mother-in-law has birthday |
| 14:31.07 | mickeyl | bbl later tonite |
| 14:31.11 | _Yog_ | yes ... but rdp4 is 256 colors ... and that looks awful ! ;-) |
| 14:31.27 | mickeyl | _Yog_: i'll build you an ipkg and you test ok? |
| 14:31.34 | mickeyl | cu |
| 14:38.55 | _Yog_ | I think my simpad as spent more time with flashing new images than with normal user operation. ;-) |
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| 14:46.29 | cmartin | _Yog_: what about mine - i'm testing new images all the time |
| 14:47.42 | _Yog_ | ;-) how many times can you flash a flash before it fails ? ;-) |
| 14:47.54 | _Yog_ | are you using a network card for flashing ? |
| 14:48.52 | cmartin | yes |
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| 14:50.57 | aman | sup |
| 14:51.03 | cmartin | not sure how many flashes the flash can handle, but if i remember correctly you could flash a few times a day for the rest of your life |
| 14:51.13 | _Yog_ | should try to get one ... is there a list which one works ? I only found the reference for the Ositech 4 of Diamonds ... besides I never heard of this manufacturer, it is out of production. |
| 14:52.33 | pb_ | Flash memory is usually good for 100,000 erase/write cycles. |
| 14:52.40 | cmartin | _Yog_: 4 of diamonds was only supported in the first bootloader versions |
| 14:53.08 | cmartin | _Yog_: starting with i think 2.5.1 only NE2K Cards are supported |
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| 14:53.56 | cmartin | pb_: thanx - that should be enough to flash the thing for the rest of my life ;-) |
| 14:54.52 | pb_ | cmartin: yeah, if you live for more than 300 years you'll probably have time to save up for a new Zaurus. |
| 14:55.09 | cmartin | :-D |
| 14:57.06 | cmartin | pb_: i could even walk over to Japan in that time, since the Z is no longer distributed in Germany ;) |
| 14:57.39 | pb_ | cmartin: hehe, indeed |
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| 17:07.34 | treke|home | mornin |
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| 17:21.32 | pb_ | hi treke|home |
| 17:22.16 | treke|home | mornin pb |
| 17:22.47 | Bernardo | hi treke|home, pb_ |
| 17:25.21 | pb_ | hrm, the mains adapter on my laptop has quit working. |
| 17:25.23 | pb_ | suck |
| 17:32.52 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 17:33.06 | treke|home | why did gentoo go and overwrite my groups files |
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| 18:24.20 | nightfire | what is it that causes applications to switch to 320x240 in the sharp rom, on the c7x0 series? |
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| 19:29.13 | Masticator | hey homeez |
| 19:33.06 | bipolar | Masticator: yo |
| 19:33.38 | Masticator | sup bp |
| 19:34.13 | Masticator | ferschizzle my bizzle |
| 19:34.16 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:34.24 | bipolar | Just got my Z back from service yeseterday |
| 19:34.31 | Masticator | ah so |
| 19:34.35 | bipolar | now I'm trying to catch up on stuff |
| 19:34.45 | bipolar | Time for a new OZ build :) |
| 19:34.51 | Masticator | yep |
| 19:35.06 | Masticator | waiting on a check, gonna pick up a 760 |
| 19:35.12 | bipolar | wish there was a 2.4.21 kernel with sd support. :p |
| 19:35.23 | bipolar | Masticator: I wish I could afford to buy one of those. |
| 19:35.33 | Masticator | although, I may go the cheapo route and get a softfield |
| 19:35.49 | Masticator | kergoth still has my 5600 |
| 19:35.54 | Masticator | but he can keep it |
| 19:36.01 | Masticator | its practially a useless PDA |
| 19:36.15 | bipolar | I was thinking I could buy a laptop for the price of a c760, but it wouldn't be as cool. :) |
| 19:38.00 | Masticator | my ideal handheld would be intel compatible |
| 19:38.13 | Masticator | its too bad nobody adopted the Transmeta |
| 19:38.24 | bipolar | Masticator: why do you say that? |
| 19:38.37 | Masticator | easier to deal with from a developer standpoint |
| 19:38.43 | bipolar | ahh |
| 19:39.11 | Masticator | personally though I prefer the PowerPC architecture |
| 19:39.26 | Masticator | if we are to totally fuck compatability you might as well get additional benefits |
| 19:39.31 | Masticator | I dont see much benefit in ARM |
| 19:39.45 | Masticator | the AMD architecture, the Alchemy, has some nice benefits |
| 19:39.48 | Masticator | its highly integrated |
| 19:40.37 | bipolar | ibot: oz bk |
| 19:40.37 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 19:41.55 | Masticator | man did you see madonna toungue britney |
| 19:42.00 | Masticator | that was awesome |
| 19:42.04 | bipolar | nope |
| 19:42.21 | bipolar | I missed that... darn |
| 19:42.24 | Masticator | damn I would pay serious bank to see those two go at it in a porn video |
| 19:46.05 | bipolar | personaly... I would pay serious bank if they, and all the clones that look like them, would just drop dead. The world would be a better place. |
| 19:46.10 | bipolar | :-D |
| 19:46.31 | Masticator | http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030829/capt.sge.uvt52.290803171335.photo00.default-299x327.jpg |
| 19:46.39 | Masticator | speak for yourself dude |
| 19:46.49 | Masticator | the more lesbian porn, the better |
| 19:47.08 | bipolar | I'll put that as the wallpaper on my wifes PC. :) |
| 19:47.21 | bipolar | She would love it... heh |
| 19:48.33 | Masticator | sure puts the "bi" in bipolar |
| 19:48.43 | bipolar | that doesn't look like tounge to me.... |
| 19:48.53 | Masticator | yeah thats not one of the racier shots |
| 19:48.57 | bipolar | thats got "screen kiss" all over it. |
| 19:49.00 | bipolar | :P |
| 19:49.21 | Masticator | hey when did you get married |
| 19:49.38 | bipolar | over a year ago :) |
| 19:49.47 | Masticator | ah ok |
| 19:49.58 | bipolar | late june 02 |
| 19:50.02 | Masticator | so you found a chick that would put up with your insanity then |
| 19:50.04 | Masticator | kudos |
| 19:50.08 | bipolar | hehehehe |
| 19:50.53 | Masticator | coming up on my 8th anniversary myself |
| 19:51.05 | bipolar | nice |
| 19:51.16 | bipolar | this last year has just flown |
| 19:52.15 | bipolar | I wonder how stable http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-3.3.1pre-oz1.tar.bz2 is |
| 19:54.26 | nightfire | is there any fix for the shepherd/husky console fb locking bug in 2.4.18 |
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| 20:57.20 | mickeyl | bipolar: rock solid |
| 20:57.25 | mickeyl | nightfire: what locking bug? |
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| 21:08.47 | bipolar | is anyone having kernel build errors in checksum.h with 2.4.6? |
| 21:08.59 | mickeyl | which toolchain? |
| 21:09.04 | mickeyl | (no, btw.) |
| 21:09.23 | bipolar | well.... the kernel for collie needs to be built with 2.95 |
| 21:09.33 | bipolar | I think I'm using 2.95.3... |
| 21:09.35 | bipolar | let me check |
| 21:09.41 | mickeyl | right. its just that you asked about 3.3.1-pre ... |
| 21:10.09 | bipolar | oh, I'm using 2.95.4 |
| 21:10.46 | mickeyl | ha. |
| 21:10.52 | mickeyl | 2.95.4 does all kind of strange things |
| 21:10.55 | mickeyl | to me, that is. |
| 21:12.54 | bipolar | ok... I'll switch compilers |
| 21:13.07 | mickeyl | or fix up 2.4.21 and stick with gcc 3.3.1 ;) |
| 21:13.47 | bipolar | 2.4.21 just needs SD support. |
| 21:14.02 | mickeyl | no, it's not only that |
| 21:14.07 | mickeyl | - suspend/resume |
| 21:14.10 | mickeyl | - battery loading |
| 21:14.14 | mickeyl | - keyboard |
| 21:16.49 | bipolar | oh.. I thought the apm stuff was done. |
| 21:17.26 | mickeyl | partly |
| 21:17.36 | mickeyl | but if it was only SD support we had released that already |
| 21:18.28 | bipolar | hmmm... 2.95.4 is the only 2.X toolchain on oz.org. |
| 21:18.37 | mickeyl | 'old' |
| 21:19.28 | bipolar | should I use 2.95.3? |
| 21:19.32 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:19.34 | bipolar | k |
| 21:19.44 | mickeyl | i had the best results with erikm's stock 2.95.3 |
| 21:21.46 | treke|z- | hmmm. still ticking after 2 hours of wireless |
| 21:22.03 | mickeyl | c760 battery life is cool, eh? |
| 21:22.23 | treke|z- | mickey, order one for your 750 :p |
| 21:22.29 | mickeyl | can't afford |
| 21:22.43 | treke|z- | ah |
| 21:23.02 | treke|z- | think it even -omes with a black cover |
| 21:23.16 | mickeyl | hmm... matches my ugly black top ;) |
| 21:23.27 | treke|z- | hehe |
| 21:25.00 | mickeyl | hey, i built a mixed image (gcc2/gcc3) and it just worked! :D |
| 21:25.18 | treke|z- | hoe? |
| 21:25.21 | treke|z- | how |
| 21:25.40 | mickeyl | check "have gcc2 toolchain" |
| 21:25.43 | mickeyl | check "have gcc3 toolchain" |
| 21:25.47 | mickeyl | check "use gcc2 for kernel" |
| 21:25.50 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 21:26.04 | treke|z- | you sure its really a gcc3 image |
| 21:26.14 | mickeyl | Ha! |
| 21:26.16 | treke|z- | try running a gcc2 app |
| 21:26.16 | mickeyl | good question |
| 21:26.22 | treke|z- | seriously |
| 21:26.32 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 21:26.34 | mickeyl | k |
| 21:26.34 | mickeyl | hold on |
| 21:26.44 | treke|z- | when I tried this last, it wasnt working properly |
| 21:27.18 | mickeyl | well... it shouldn't work properly if it is a gcc3 image :D |
| 21:27.28 | mickeyl | oh you mean the mix itself |
| 21:28.21 | treke|z- | yeah |
| 21:28.42 | treke|z- | i am saying that it might be a full gcc2 imagel |
| 21:28.48 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:28.51 | mickeyl | i'm testing |
| 21:28.52 | mickeyl | ... |
| 21:29.21 | treke|z- | i hope I brought my new cf card home from work |
| 21:29.54 | bipolar | I'm just glad I got my Z back. |
| 21:30.07 | treke|z- | need to reflash the sharp rom so I can check zooming |
| 21:30.10 | bipolar | This palm is cool and all, but it's braindead when it comes to networking. |
| 21:30.32 | mickeyl | # ./calculator |
| 21:30.32 | mickeyl | ./calculator: relocation error: ./calculator: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 21:30.32 | mickeyl | # |
| 21:31.30 | mickeyl | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 88076 Jan 1 1970 ld-2.3.2.so |
| 21:31.36 | treke|z- | sweet |
| 21:31.37 | mickeyl | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1219256 Jan 1 1970 libc-2.3.2.so |
| 21:31.44 | mickeyl | I'd say that can't be a 2.95 image :D |
| 21:32.09 | treke|z- | now we just need a way to build everything with gcc3 except kernel and opie apps |
| 21:32.19 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:32.23 | mickeyl | opie apps build fine with gcc3 |
| 21:32.37 | mickeyl | you don't want to start with the compatibility argument again, would you? |
| 21:32.38 | treke|z- | I know |
| 21:32.47 | mickeyl | I'd say fuck compatibility. |
| 21:33.05 | treke|z- | there is no argumennt :) most users wouldnt |
| 21:33.49 | treke|z- | break compatibility and most people will say fuck openzaurus |
| 21:34.02 | mickeyl | i don't believe that. our users don't want to use the old, non-xscale-optimized stuff. it is up to our marketing |
| 21:34.20 | pb_ | well, y'know, it has to happen sooner or later. you can't go on living in 1999 indefinitely. |
| 21:34.30 | fdask | 5500 users won't care about xscale :p |
| 21:34.50 | pb_ | surely modern machines have enough flash that you can ship both sets of libraries and not have to worry about it. |
| 21:34.56 | mickeyl | hell, sharp is breaking compatibility with every ROM. not only app but also data. now i don't care any longer about compatibilty. |
| 21:35.05 | treke|z- | people will care more about not being able to run their apps |
| 21:35.21 | mickeyl | they will be able. they will ask us to add apps to the OZ feed. |
| 21:35.41 | pb_ | people should be asking their vendors to provide gcc3 builds of their favourite apps. |
| 21:36.08 | bipolar | HAHAHAHA |
| 21:36.09 | treke|z- | how do you plan to do that with java or neos games or tkc apps |
| 21:36.19 | mickeyl | neo is openminded |
| 21:36.22 | bipolar | I had the gcc2 verison set to 2.95.3 and it wasn't even installed. |
| 21:36.22 | treke|z- | tkc will do it over their dead bodies |
| 21:36.27 | mickeyl | tkc... who is tkc. |
| 21:36.30 | bipolar | no wonder it was not building. |
| 21:36.43 | mickeyl | and java.... well... kaffe is progressing nice |
| 21:37.09 | treke|z- | progressing nicely and usable are completely different stories |
| 21:37.21 | mickeyl | maybe. |
| 21:37.28 | pb_ | treke|z-: clinging to gcc2 indefinitely is not something that I'd consider a tenable option. it is buggy, it has no upstream support, and its generated code runs like a blocked drain on xscale. |
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| 21:38.23 | treke|z- | hopefully mithro can get the compatibility stuff |
| 21:38.29 | pb_ | like I say, where you have binary compatibility issues, either you need to lean on the vendors to recompile, or you need to ship dual libs. |
| 21:38.43 | pb_ | it's probably only a couple of megs of code, shouldn't be a big deal in this day and age. |
| 21:39.15 | treke|z- | vendors wont switch, many of them arent even around at this pointl |
| 21:39.56 | pb_ | if their paying customers demand it, the vendors will switch. obviously you can't do anything about those that have folded, but c'est la vie. |
| 21:40.02 | treke|z- | tkc would probably charge for the gcc3 versions |
| 21:40.07 | bipolar | heh |
| 21:40.22 | treke|z- | they already decided to stop doing fee updates |
| 21:40.31 | bipolar | tkc might. I don't think they provide source for their embedded apps, do they? |
| 21:40.43 | treke|z- | nope |
| 21:41.17 | bipolar | I only have experiance with Kapital, which they do provide source to. |
| 21:41.42 | treke|z- | they dont for their embedded releases |
| 21:42.45 | treke|z- | pb: i am just looking at it from a user point of view. I think most people would just switch to one of the compatible roms |
| 21:43.42 | treke|z- | I want gcc3, the only reason i am running a gcc2 image is because the gcc 3 image was unusable |
| 21:45.16 | mickeyl | treke: got further with the rotation stuff yet? |
| 21:46.03 | treke|z- | havent done anything this morning. been reinstalling debian |
| 21:46.09 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:46.25 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 21:46.34 | treke|z- | which one |
| 21:46.38 | mickeyl | no no i keep quiet on that... |
| 21:46.41 | fdask | hehe |
| 21:46.58 | mickeyl | i just say... i like the french for three reasons |
| 21:47.15 | mickeyl | 1.) they brought us jean-michel-jarre |
| 21:47.22 | mickeyl | 2.) they brought us Vue D'Esprit |
| 21:47.28 | mickeyl | 3.) they brought us Mandrake Linux |
| 21:47.43 | treke|z- | damn the french |
| 21:47.57 | mickeyl | not to speak about their wine and their cheese |
| 21:48.21 | fdask | girls with hairy armpits :) |
| 21:49.09 | treke|z- | ok. 25% time to charge |
| 21:49.16 | bipolar | wtf |
| 21:49.30 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:49.32 | bipolar | building the kernel tells me that my binutils is too old |
| 21:49.39 | mickeyl | ah damn |
| 21:49.49 | bipolar | but I've got 2.12.90 |
| 21:49.49 | mickeyl | sure the kernel or glib ? |
| 21:50.02 | treke|z- | oh shit thanks for reminding me |
| 21:50.06 | bipolar | *** 2.4 kernels no longer build correctly with old versions of binutils. |
| 21:50.06 | bipolar | *** Please upgrade your binutils to 2.9.5. |
| 21:50.22 | treke|z- | i need to reinstall module-init-tools |
| 21:50.39 | treke|z- | damn pcmcia not building with them |
| 21:50.57 | mickeyl | bipolar: strange.... then you might need 2.95.3-oz1 or -oz1.2 to do the ancient kernel build |
| 21:51.00 | mickeyl | treke: you're on 2.6 ? |
| 21:52.08 | bipolar | mickeyl: thats what I'm using. 2.95.3-oz1.2 |
| 21:52.15 | mickeyl | oh |
| 21:52.30 | bipolar | I could try with 2.95.4. |
| 21:52.32 | mickeyl | try updating your local binutils |
| 21:52.37 | mickeyl | host, that is |
| 21:53.01 | bipolar | mickeyl: this is debian stable, and a server to boot. :) |
| 21:53.18 | mickeyl | hah |
| 21:53.20 | mickeyl | debian stable? |
| 21:53.24 | bipolar | yep |
| 21:53.27 | mickeyl | ok. |
| 21:53.32 | mickeyl | old linux... i know. |
| 21:53.50 | bipolar | and dpkg reports that I'm running version 2.12.90.0.1-4 of binutils |
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| 21:58.07 | bipolar | Does kergoth or any oe people get invited to the hh.org confrence calls each week? |
| 22:03.45 | bipolar | ooookkkk.... |
| 22:04.08 | bipolar | run make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie once.... |
| 22:04.23 | bipolar | watch it build over and over and over and over.... |
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| 22:04.42 | mickeyl | yes - for every kernel you did chose. |
| 22:04.45 | bipolar | I hate it when this happens.... there goes oldconfig for the fourth time... |
| 22:04.46 | mickeyl | this is expected. |
| 22:04.58 | bipolar | I never noticed that before... |
| 22:04.59 | mickeyl | choose less storage configurations |
| 22:05.04 | mickeyl | you never paid attention :) |
| 22:05.11 | bipolar | hmmm.... learn something every day. :) |
| 22:05.37 | bipolar | looks like it builds fine with 2.95.4 now that I have the proper version set in config. |
| 22:08.22 | Dr_Who | bipolar: I haven't been invited to the hh.org conf calls.... |
| 22:08.37 | treke|z- | mickeyl: yes |
| 22:08.42 | bipolar | who are you? :) |
| 22:08.51 | treke|z- | mickeyl: have been for a while |
| 22:08.55 | Dr_Who | hacking on the ppc version |
| 22:09.26 | bipolar | I've been on the invite list since my work on the iPaq about 2 years ago. |
| 22:09.45 | Dr_Who | I work on embedded linux for IBM ... least that's my day job.... |
| 22:09.52 | bipolar | ahhh |
| 22:10.15 | bipolar | Is IBM working on a handheld with the Power5 chip yet? :-D |
| 22:10.21 | Dr_Who | ha! |
| 22:10.25 | Dr_Who | naw 405lp |
| 22:12.21 | bipolar | hmmm... handheld with 5 min of battery life the doubles as a portable grill.... |
| 22:12.41 | Dr_Who | obviously there *MUST* be a market |
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| 22:13.30 | Dr_Who | here's a picture ... www.rochcivictheatre.org/tgall/ian/2months/P0000749.jpg |
| 22:13.53 | Dr_Who | forgive the fact I haven't properly filed it in it's own dir |
| 22:14.15 | bipolar | hahaha |
| 22:14.29 | bipolar | cute kid |
| 22:14.51 | Dr_Who | thanks |
| 22:15.10 | bipolar | so is IBM looking at using openembedded for the OS? |
| 22:16.13 | Dr_Who | well with the oe stuff I've been porting it over, it's not done obviously but makes for good demo-ware |
| 22:16.14 | mickeyl | noone knows |
| 22:16.44 | Dr_Who | basically I figured it'd be a nice to thing to do and have and am working on it in my spare time |
| 22:17.06 | Dr_Who | so it's not an "official" ibm thing in the least ... but it did get me free hardware which of course increased my motivation |
| 22:17.31 | bipolar | cool |
| 22:17.40 | bipolar | bbl, movie is on |
| 22:17.46 | Dr_Who | the nice thing too is that actually you don't really need one of these pdas to do the work |
| 22:18.15 | Dr_Who | since ppc is compatible across all the chips... I could build all of this on power4 and then just scp over the images... |
| 22:18.19 | treke|z- | mickeyl, you looked at the keymap patch yet? |
| 22:19.05 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, it is already in. it does crap under opie but that is maybe normal. must try on the console yet. |
| 22:19.20 | mickeyl | opie is not yet prepared for the complete kernel keymap iirc |
| 22:19.23 | treke|z- | no the qte patch |
| 22:19.27 | mickeyl | ah |
| 22:19.38 | mickeyl | that's what i meant |
| 22:20.15 | treke|z- | well read the comments, it needs finishi g:) |
| 22:24.35 | mickeyl | i know |
| 22:24.42 | mickeyl | but i have enough stuff to do |
| 22:24.56 | mickeyl | we need more devels. |
| 22:33.28 | mickeyl | mmh... can you feel the silence after whenever we claim that... |
| 22:38.04 | treke|z- | hehe |
| 22:38.12 | treke|z- | just watching tv |
| 22:38.30 | w8tvi_ | Dr_Who: what are those? |
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| 23:18.00 | mickeyl | pb_: what's wrong? |
| 23:21.31 | pb_ | mickeyl: "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected" |
| 23:21.38 | mickeyl | ugh. |
| 23:21.41 | mickeyl | sender mismatches? |
| 23:21.45 | pb_ | guess so |
| 23:22.21 | mickeyl | andersee seems pretty busy... i'd hope that he could look into that toolchain issue... |
| 23:22.31 | mickeyl | s/i'd/i did |
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