00:00.02 | Twiun | Ok, making clean had no effect |
00:05.04 | TheMasterMind1 | whats wrong |
00:05.52 | Twiun | the mkdeps call in the 2.4.21 makefile is choking with too many arguments |
00:06.26 | Twiun | question now is... is the problem due to long names or too many names |
00:07.26 | Twiun | I'll try moving the build dir closer to / |
00:10.34 | Twiun | that worked |
00:10.49 | Twiun | it's because the find command assiciated with mkdeps doesn't use relative paths |
00:11.27 | pb_ | oh, yeah, I get that a lot. |
00:11.36 | pb_ | I think you can break it up into lots of smaller commands if need be. |
00:11.50 | Twiun | what would the implications be of modifying the FINDHPATH to use relative paths? |
00:12.03 | Twiun | as that would seem cleaner |
00:12.07 | Soopaman | where i lay my hat is my home, i'm a rolling stone |
00:12.20 | pb_ | no real implications, afaik. |
00:12.36 | pb_ | to be honest, that whole "make dep" business is a crock. |
00:12.46 | Twiun | no flipping kidding |
00:14.12 | pb_ | maybe it made sense back in 1993 when computers were slow, kernel hackers were macho and it was cool to shave five seconds of the dependency generation time compared to gcc, but this is the 21st century. |
00:15.29 | pb_ | I think kernel 2.6 has something better, though. |
00:15.56 | mickeyl | right. |
00:19.25 | Twiun | thank god for that |
00:19.35 | Twiun | kergoth: So... when's the 2.6 move happening? |
00:20.05 | Twiun | hmm, gotta love how the kernel compiles with all those nice warnings |
00:21.49 | mickeyl | n8 |
00:22.08 | Twiun | g'night mickeyl|away |
00:23.26 | Twiun | is there a tool for producing the dawg dictionary that the scrabble game uses? |
00:23.51 | Twiun | wanna get the gutenberg webster in there :) |
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00:27.38 | Twiun | didn't someone say 2.4.21 needed to be compiled with gcc3? |
00:32.10 | pb_ | if they did, I think they were mistaken. |
00:32.57 | Twiun | right, what would cause this error? |
00:33.05 | Twiun | arm-linux-ld: Error: time.o uses hard floating point, whereas kernel.o uses soft floating point |
00:33.46 | pb_ | oh, that. check for -msoft-float in CFLAGS and AFLAGS, and expunge any that you find there. |
00:34.05 | pb_ | (particularly in arch/arm/Makefile) |
00:34.19 | Twiun | ok |
00:37.17 | noda | AAAARGH! My damned laptop crashes when the modem driver is loaded :( |
00:38.50 | chouimat | hi noda |
00:39.32 | Twiun | pb_: expunge as in replace for -mhard-float or just remove? |
00:39.38 | Twiun | wb noda |
00:39.38 | noda | NO CARRIER? ***NO CARRIER***? |
00:39.45 | noda | Dammit, anybody know pppd? :) |
00:42.11 | Twiun | Google -> Server Error |
00:42.14 | Twiun | that's a new one |
00:42.24 | noda | You're alone on that :) |
00:42.36 | noda | Works fine for me :) |
00:43.09 | Twiun | yeah, and for me now too |
00:43.30 | Twiun | noda! stop fiddling with google's datawarehousing already |
00:43.45 | Twiun | btw, started on the 3c1 stuff? |
00:44.28 | noda | Twiun: I'm going on vacation and plan to take a look. Oh shit, just forgot - nothing to try and plug into :P |
00:44.36 | Twiun | lol |
00:45.11 | noda | Fuck... I NEED to get my laptop's modem working in like the next 2 hours -- I've gotta register for university with this thing and if I can't connect to the 'net... |
00:45.18 | noda | Aargh... maybe I'll have to use... WINDOWS. |
00:45.49 | Twiun | hehe, it's what I'm using atm |
00:46.12 | chouimat | noda: use windows like the rest of the world |
00:46.50 | noda | I'm getting "RING BACK"... what on earth is that? |
00:46.52 | Twiun | noda: Join us! |
00:47.08 | andersee | TimRiker: BZFlag is LGPL'd? |
00:47.11 | chouimat | Twiun: I'm on linux ;) |
00:47.41 | Twiun | chouimat: well, ok, truth be told, so am I... irssi->screen->ssh->winxp |
00:47.59 | Twiun | I'm not brave enough to try the cygwin option in the buildroot yet |
00:52.58 | pb_ | Twiun: just remove |
00:53.09 | Twiun | pb_: ok, compiling |
00:53.12 | pb_ | you can put -mhard-float, but that's the default anyway |
00:53.27 | Twiun | right |
00:55.45 | TimRiker | andersee: now, yes. |
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01:07.33 | TimRiker | andersee: I changed the license on the latest bzflag release from gpl to lgpl |
01:09.59 | chouimat | TimRiker: everyone? |
01:10.22 | Neo|Work | TimRiker: so it seems. :) |
01:10.30 | TimRiker | chouimat: heh |
01:10.36 | kergoth | Neo|Work: congrats ;) |
01:10.43 | Neo|Work | thanks. |
01:10.54 | Neo|Work | now to work out the move, timing and crap like that. hrm |
01:11.08 | andersee | TimRiker: why? |
01:11.15 | andersee | TimRiker: turning bzflag into a library? |
01:11.28 | TimRiker | andersee: had some interest from others in using some of the components in other games. |
01:11.51 | TimRiker | wanted to make it easier for them so they could clean up the interfaces for the rest of us. ;-) |
01:12.27 | pb_ | andersee: surely "turning bzflag into a lesser entity?". |
01:12.31 | chouimat | kergoth: I will probably go do a master degree if I can get an interesting job in the next year |
01:12.36 | TimRiker | oh... and to see if anyone would notice. ;-) |
01:13.00 | TimRiker | pb_: well, demoting the license anyway. ;-) |
01:13.09 | TimRiker | ~dict demote |
01:14.20 | chouimat | bye TimRiker |
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01:19.19 | noda | ~dict noda |
01:19.27 | noda | ~noda |
01:19.28 | | somebody said noda was Adam Hooper, openzaurus.org webmaster <adamh@densi.com> |
01:19.44 | noda | ~dict annoying |
01:20.08 | pb_ | heh |
01:23.38 | Twiun | pb_: still having that problem, even after removing those msofts |
01:24.10 | pb_ | oh, hm. what object does it say is built with soft fp? |
01:25.06 | Twiun | grr. wish I could tell you, but the stuff's just scrolled out of the buffer, doing another make clean |
01:25.12 | pb_ | ah |
01:26.49 | pb_ | oh, hm, in handhelds.org it looks like we use -msoft-float for everything. |
01:26.56 | pb_ | I guess that works too. |
01:27.44 | Twiun | should I be looking for -mhard-float and replace to soft instead? |
01:28.05 | pb_ | you probably won't find any -mhard-float. what we actually have is: |
01:28.09 | pb_ | CFLAGS_BOOT:=$(apcs-y) $(arch-y) $(tune-y) -mshort-load-bytes -msoft-float -Uarm |
01:28.10 | pb_ | CFLAGS+=$(apcs-y) $(arch-y) $(tune-y) -mshort-load-bytes -msoft-float -Uarm |
01:28.10 | pb_ | AFLAGS+=$(apcs-y) $(arch-y) -msoft-float |
01:28.21 | Twiun | yeah, those are the three I found too |
01:28.28 | Twiun | the others are in ppc makefiles |
01:29.30 | pb_ | I wonder what's the matter then. |
01:30.32 | Twiun | hopefully this make clean will work |
01:30.50 | pb_ | right |
01:31.11 | Twiun | wouldn't be the first time something fixed itself ;) |
01:31.23 | chouimat | kergoth: the fasttrack plugin for gift is cool |
01:33.37 | Twiun | pb_: looks to be all the .o files in arch/arm/kernel, here's a snippet |
01:33.50 | Twiun | arm-linux-ld: Error: irq.o uses hard floating point, whereas kernel.o uses soft floating point |
01:33.54 | Twiun | File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file irq.o |
01:34.11 | Twiun | where they all compare against kernel.o |
01:38.20 | kergoth | chouimat: fasttrack plugin? |
01:38.25 | kergoth | chouimat: is that in giFT cvs? |
01:38.35 | noda | kergoth: No, google for gift-fasttrak |
01:39.14 | chouimat | kergoth: nope https://developer.berlios.de/projects/gift-fasttrack |
01:39.23 | noda | Erm, with a C that is :) |
01:41.39 | pb_ | Twiun: that's weird. do you have -msoft-float in or out at this point? |
01:42.12 | Twiun | pb_: completely out |
01:42.18 | Twiun | pb_: but I've scanned my irclogs |
01:42.32 | Twiun | pb_: and TMM1 says gcc3.3 is _required_ for the .21 kernel on oz |
01:42.40 | Twiun | lemme get the snippet |
01:42.57 | Twiun | #openembedded.log:24987:23:25 < noidd> arm-linux-ld: ERROR: irq.o uses hardware FP, whereas kernel.o uses software FP |
01:43.01 | Twiun | #openembedded.log-24988-23:25 < noidd> arse |
01:43.03 | Twiun | #openembedded.log-24989-23:25 < noidd> thats beyond my ability |
01:43.06 | Twiun | #openembedded.log-24990-23:25 < TheMasterMind1> noda: gcc 3.3 |
01:43.09 | Twiun | #openembedded.log-24991-23:25 < TheMasterMind1> needed |
01:43.11 | Twiun | #openembedded.log-24992-23:25 < TheMasterMind1> for kernel |
01:43.51 | Twiun | question now is... can 2.95.3-compiled software live with a 3.3-compiled kernel? |
01:44.08 | kergoth | I applied the current gcc3.3 patches from the www.arm.linux.org.uk patch system |
01:44.16 | kergoth | see the LAK archives for posts from schurig |
01:44.26 | kergoth | he posted changes to make it compile with 2.95.3 as well, iirc |
01:44.26 | pb_ | Twiun: yes, kernel and userspace are completely decoupled, they don't need to have the same gcc version. |
01:44.34 | Twiun | pb_: good |
01:44.45 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, I'll google |
01:45.22 | kergoth | Twiun: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ |
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01:48.39 | _Psycho | kergoth you started a c700 build earlier ? |
01:48.58 | _Psycho | just curious |
01:51.34 | Twiun | kergoth: searching for schurig, 2.4.21 or 2.95.3 hasn't really turned up anything useful so far |
01:53.22 | Twiun | kergoth: btw, the problem with mkdeps I had earlier was fixed by moving the buildroot dir closer to / |
01:54.21 | kergoth | Twiun: aha |
01:54.40 | Twiun | kergoth: it's because all the paths are absolute |
01:54.59 | Twiun | kergoth: anyway, still not having any luck finding that info |
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02:18.43 | Twiun | will the buildroot only use the 3.3 toolchain for the kernel, or for everything? |
02:20.09 | chouimat | night |
02:20.43 | Twiun | g'night chouimat |
02:22.53 | kergoth | Twiun: you can select whether to use it for user or kernel independently |
02:27.26 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, read the log of TheMasterMind1 find that out ;) |
02:28.27 | Twiun | extracting it now - I'll start it running for the rest of the evening |
02:28.34 | Twiun | or morning should I say |
02:30.12 | NeoTron | about 2300 miles |
02:30.22 | NeoTron | although I guess it might be a fun roadtrip |
02:30.32 | Twiun | only if you're not by yourself ;) |
02:30.39 | NeoTron | I won't be |
02:30.42 | Twiun | shacking up with TI too? |
02:32.06 | NeoTron | yeps |
02:33.03 | Twiun | nice one :) |
02:33.20 | NeoTron | doing stuff above the stuff kergoth does |
02:33.26 | NeoTron | i.e application level stuff I presume |
02:33.35 | Twiun | right, not grubbing with the ants |
02:33.42 | Twiun | proper work ;) |
02:33.46 | NeoTron | hehe |
02:34.00 | NeoTron | indeed. :) |
02:34.19 | Twiun | so your flat is next door to kergoth's then? |
02:34.27 | NeoTron | getting a rental house |
02:34.38 | NeoTron | got 2 kids and a wife and currently living in 2300 sqft. :P |
02:34.56 | NeoTron | speaking of kids, should go down to them |
02:35.29 | Twiun | ahhh |
02:35.42 | Twiun | yeah, abandon us :) |
02:35.51 | Twiun | I'll be off to sleep soon anyway |
02:40.37 | Twiun | g'night! |
03:43.01 | fishy | whats the command line ipkg param to tell the ipkg to install to SD? |
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04:10.14 | kergoth | hmm, i should go to bed |
04:11.19 | _Psycho | night |
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04:43.20 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
04:54.14 | _Psycho | getting late |
04:54.23 | _Psycho | wodner if i should go take a beer still |
05:06.46 | treke|ho1e | ah |
05:06.53 | treke|ho1e | there is no place like home |
05:07.05 | treke|ho1e | _Psycho: Yes you should |
05:07.43 | treke|ho1e | heje |
05:07.46 | treke|ho1e | From: admin@treke.net |
05:07.50 | _Psycho | hehe i was putting my shoe atm |
05:07.55 | treke|ho1e | I would like to inform you about important information regarding your |
05:07.55 | treke|ho1e | email address. This email address will be expiring. |
05:07.56 | treke|ho1e | Please read attachment for details. |
05:08.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
05:08.44 | treke|ho1e | Since he apparently works for free I ought to get him to manage my other servers |
05:09.19 | _Psycho | ok 1h30 left for beer, so im better get going :) |
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05:30.04 | SoopaTRON | afternoon |
05:30.13 | SoopaTRON | err evening/night |
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06:01.30 | W8TVI | how hard would it be to set up a sl-5500 to replace my dial-up router using an external modem and the z?? |
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06:57.02 | heatxsink | yo yo yo! |
06:57.17 | SuKoShi | yeah yeah yeah ! |
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07:58.03 | _Psycho | beer was good |
07:58.05 | _Psycho | night guys |
08:04.54 | SuKoShi | _Psycho: bye :) |
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11:38.56 | SuKoShi | someone other there? |
11:39.08 | yeiazel | zZzZ |
11:39.09 | yeiazel | :) |
11:43.14 | SuKoShi | _Psycho: there? |
11:43.37 | SuKoShi | gcc3 il compile pas (arm-linux) |
11:43.40 | SuKoShi | fait chier |
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12:04.12 | mickeyl | hmm.... anyone flashed collie-2.4.21 yet? |
12:07.16 | Twiun[Zzzzz] | moderately? it all depends on the support for your modem, and your knowledge of linux I suppose |
12:07.30 | Twiun | mickeyl: still trying to build it :) |
12:08.53 | mickeyl | Twiun: good. I flashed the one built by themastermind1 and just wondered, where angelboot,diagnostics and cf updater went |
12:09.13 | mickeyl | but the new kernel defines another mtd partition table and hides the mentioned just under "bootloader" |
12:09.16 | mickeyl | so it is ok. |
12:10.19 | mickeyl | doesn't seem to survive suspend/resume though :D |
12:10.27 | mickeyl | but that's okay... it's alpha - we're getting there |
12:10.47 | Twiun | yeah |
12:11.03 | Twiun | I can't wait to get my buildroot working again on the new server |
12:11.10 | Twiun | then I can continue developing |
12:11.42 | mickeyl | goooood |
12:11.44 | mickeyl | :) |
12:12.21 | mickeyl | huh |
12:12.25 | mickeyl | after resume it totally freaks out |
12:12.26 | mickeyl | cool |
12:12.30 | mickeyl | mcp read time out |
12:12.32 | mickeyl | mcp write time out |
12:12.36 | mickeyl | battery led flashing |
12:12.37 | mickeyl | haha |
12:12.39 | mickeyl | crazy |
12:12.47 | Twiun | lol |
12:12.59 | mickeyl | wonder if it reboots at least... |
12:14.31 | Twiun | that's a good question |
12:14.43 | mickeyl | yup |
12:14.45 | mickeyl | it does. |
12:14.45 | mickeyl | :) |
12:14.49 | mickeyl | and it is faaaaast |
12:14.57 | Twiun | I'm also keen on starting to take a closer look at directfb |
12:15.03 | Twiun | fast is good! |
12:16.13 | Twiun | I really can't wait to see for myself |
12:21.37 | mickeyl | SuKoShi: no personal mail please |
12:21.46 | mickeyl | SuKoShi: check http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain |
12:22.58 | SuKoShi | mickeyl: thanks |
12:23.23 | SuKoShi | arm-linux cross compiler doesn't compile through the buildroot on my machine |
12:24.47 | Twiun | I've never bothered to try - takes too long :) |
12:25.25 | Twiun | mickeyl: too much mail to sift through already? |
12:27.25 | mickeyl | Twiun: yeah, it's getting ridiculous. I have been offering oz-snapshots since several weeks for people not wanting to start with oz 3.2 and upgrade to opie1pre.... Now I'm getting hammered with questions re: where is an official 3.2.5 release, why does reconfiguring packages takes 15 minutes, etc... |
12:27.51 | mickeyl | not to talk that I'm on 6 mailing lists... but that's ok, because i have folders ;) |
12:28.31 | mickeyl | and on IRC, more and more people start /querying me for support... |
12:32.32 | Twiun | mickeyl: /mode mickel +E |
12:32.36 | Twiun | mickeyl: very useful |
12:33.34 | mickeyl | Twiun: can't find +E - what does it do? |
12:33.54 | Harlekin | mickeyl: hehe |
12:34.23 | mickeyl | Harlekin: don't lough - that's really annyoing ;) |
12:34.31 | mickeyl | laugh even |
12:34.57 | Harlekin | time to get c700 image and feed ready .) |
12:35.03 | mickeyl | yeees! |
12:35.14 | Twiun | mickeyl: stop non-registered users from private messaging you |
12:35.25 | Harlekin | mickeyl: currently building oz |
12:35.29 | Harlekin | mickeyl: so image soon after |
12:35.35 | Harlekin | maybe tonight or tomorrow |
12:35.38 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah that may be handy - thanks |
12:35.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'd be happy to mirror files for you |
12:35.48 | mickeyl | Harlekin: good! |
12:36.22 | mickeyl | Twiun: thanks for the offer, but now that Opie 1 is out, I'll resign doing those snapshots because kergoth will make a release in the next few weeks. |
12:36.33 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok |
12:37.39 | mickeyl | Twiun: if you have a 5500, you can take a look @ http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/ though. the last snapshot seems pretty good. it stalls 15 minutes during reconfiguring packages and it contains a non-working hostap package - but other than that - it works :) |
12:38.28 | Twiun | mickeyl: I wish I did - still 5000d for poor old me |
12:38.48 | mickeyl | hmm... what was the difference again? |
12:39.21 | Harlekin | mickeyl: ah it only stalls for fonts? |
12:39.49 | mickeyl | yo - and a few unneded recursions for opie-login i noticed |
12:39.53 | mickeyl | unneeded even |
12:42.36 | Twiun | difference is the memory layout afaik, that's it |
12:43.43 | mickeyl | hmm.... i did kernels for all models, so you may use a 5000d kernel and give it a try anyway |
12:45.03 | Twiun | cool - I'll do that |
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12:54.05 | mickeyl | k - i'll be off for today. my mum has 62th anniversary... we're going to a Shakespear theather event... bbl late tonite. |
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13:07.38 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
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13:16.07 | pb_ | Twiun: yo |
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13:27.48 | chouimat | morning |
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13:43.35 | effy-kun | anyone know what .mpc files are? |
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15:19.38 | SoopaTRON | hello |
15:20.39 | SoopaTRON | are there any proper ways of building a x86 arch opie image? |
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15:54.27 | noidd | 33454332123 |
15:58.44 | SoopaTRON | anyone else having problems reaching ftp.gnu.org? |
15:59.14 | pb_ | doesn't seem to be working for me either. |
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15:59.54 | SoopaTRON | damn, and my build was going so well |
16:00.02 | SoopaTRON | or so it seemed |
16:05.08 | kergoth | chouimat: you're right, gift-fasttrack rocks. |
16:08.01 | SuKoShi | SoopaTRON: there are mirrors |
16:08.39 | SuKoShi | http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/gnu/gnusrc/glibc/ |
16:08.53 | SuKoShi | kergoth: hi |
16:09.19 | kergoth | hey SuKoShi |
16:10.08 | SuKoShi | kergoth: i tried to build a 3.3 toolchain but had troubles while compiling (something related about assembly stuff) have you ever heard about this? |
16:10.35 | _Psycho_ | kernel part sukoshi ? |
16:10.58 | SuKoShi | _Psycho_: no, i wanted to build arm-linux etc etc |
16:11.15 | SuKoShi | so i stopped, and download the toolchain from openzaurus.org |
16:11.24 | kergoth | I build 3.3.1 last night |
16:11.28 | kergoth | s/build/built/ |
16:11.30 | SuKoShi | kergoth: can i dcc youi stuff related to sd driver? |
16:11.41 | _Psycho_ | its on oz.org kergoth ? |
16:11.43 | kergoth | use email instead |
16:11.48 | kergoth | _Psycho_: not yet, i'll upload it in a few |
16:11.52 | _Psycho_ | ok |
16:12.01 | _Psycho_ | maybe thats will fix my problem who know ! hehe |
16:12.30 | kergoth | heh |
16:12.35 | kergoth | people always report problems that i cant reproduce |
16:12.37 | kergoth | its uncanny |
16:12.59 | _Psycho_ | indeed |
16:13.35 | SuKoShi | does anyone has ever wrote a Lamer (like me) HOWTO OZ's buildroot ? |
16:13.36 | noidd | hey kergoth |
16:13.52 | kergoth | the closest thing to a lamer howto is docs/BUILD |
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16:16.04 | noidd | got our visitors leaving today |
16:16.27 | noidd | which is a little strange, but i think everyone is glad to be parting company :-/ |
16:22.43 | fishy | how do I change my $path? |
16:23.18 | SuKoSh| | export PATH=/xxxx/xxx/lolo:$PATH |
16:23.49 | SuKoSh| | for example : export PATH=/usr/local/arm/3.3/bin:$PATH |
16:23.50 | yeiazel | "lolo" ? |
16:23.56 | SuKoSh| | yeiazel: gnarf |
16:23.58 | yeiazel | :) |
16:24.03 | SuKoSh| | yeiazel: c moa lolo |
16:24.06 | SuKoSh| | ;) |
16:24.12 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
16:24.18 | SuKoSh| | yeiazel: susu ct moyen |
16:24.39 | SuKoSh| | allez bosse sur le Wiki rogntudjhjuu |
16:24.47 | yeiazel | c ce que je fais |
16:24.48 | yeiazel | il marche |
16:24.49 | yeiazel | :) |
16:24.50 | yeiazel | (le nouveau) |
16:24.54 | yeiazel | j'ajoute des fct |
16:25.03 | yeiazel | c trop de la grosse balle atomique |
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16:32.58 | chouimat | c trop de la grosse balle atomique????? |
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16:34.08 | yeiazel | chouimat: expression purement française, pour dire que c'est vraiment super bien :) |
16:34.12 | tgall | greets |
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16:34.18 | yeiazel | 'lo tgall |
16:34.22 | chouimat | yeiazel: hostie de francais ;) |
16:34.35 | _Psycho_ | haha |
16:34.40 | yeiazel | chouimat: tabarnac de québécois |
16:34.49 | yeiazel | chouimat: épais |
16:34.52 | yeiazel | chouimat: :p |
16:35.20 | chouimat | yeiazel: bah ok je doit allez porter 5 caisses de 24 au depanneur |
16:35.46 | yeiazel | on est pas dans un chan anglophone ? :) |
16:35.48 | yeiazel | :) |
16:36.04 | pb_ | heh |
16:36.53 | yeiazel | chouimat: SPEAK ENGLISH HERE, GODDAM CANADIAN |
16:37.05 | yeiazel | 0 :) |
16:38.43 | tgall | heh |
16:47.24 | SuKoSh| | tabarnaque ! |
16:47.33 | SuKoSh| | ok ->[] |
16:48.11 | yeiazel | :) |
16:54.03 | _Psycho_ | C'est tellement dit avec amour |
16:54.14 | yeiazel | :) |
16:54.22 | yeiazel | ARGH mais tout le monde parle français ici ! |
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17:05.27 | absentia | morn' |
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17:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
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17:19.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
17:21.21 | tgall | greets |
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17:39.46 | absentia | kergoth here? |
17:46.40 | SuKoSh| | does anyone recently tried ton copmpile packages/qte? |
17:56.09 | Masticator | wussup homeez |
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18:07.06 | absentia | no |
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18:21.00 | Pendalar | so what's new? |
18:25.48 | Pendalar | =-/ |
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18:27.10 | noda | Moo! |
18:27.34 | Pendalar | quack |
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18:34.01 | Pendalar | wb |
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18:47.18 | Pendalar | opieplayer makes me ill =-/ |
18:51.55 | noidd | why? |
18:53.33 | Pendalar | dunno I can't get it to add a group of mp3 that is NFS'd off my box |
18:53.52 | Pendalar | I can do it one by one, but not as a URL (which file://nexus/mp3) should work |
18:53.59 | Pendalar | nor does it find it by the automatic search |
18:54.17 | Pendalar | and to boot it doesn't understand my playlist format that I made from xmms |
18:54.42 | Pendalar | I should go to the website and see what it's search path is |
18:54.48 | Pendalar | probably just /Document/ areas |
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18:57.37 | Omnifarious | Hi all. |
18:57.48 | Omnifarious | Anybody here have some idea of how long flash memory will hold its contents if it isn't accessed? |
18:58.09 | yeiazel | flash ? |
18:58.13 | Omnifarious | Yep. |
18:58.14 | yeiazel | 9999999 centuries |
18:58.23 | Omnifarious | Arbitrarily long. Good. |
18:58.50 | Omnifarious | I'm designing a cryptographic system, and I want a secure place to store unencrypted keys. |
18:59.11 | Pendalar | depends on how many magnets you pile around it ;-0 |
18:59.14 | yeiazel | :) |
18:59.16 | Omnifarious | And I figure one of those tiny USB dongles would be great. But the cryptographic keys have a lifetime of decades. |
18:59.40 | Omnifarious | Is Flash susceptible to magnetic fields? |
18:59.51 | yeiazel | it's fragile |
19:00.10 | Pendalar | oh and I wouldn't let it swim long |
19:00.13 | Omnifarious | Compared to a 3.5" floppy? |
19:00.15 | Pendalar | ;-) |
19:00.41 | Omnifarious | Yeah, water would be bad, that's a given, unless the device was designed to be waterproof in the first place. :-) |
19:03.55 | Omnifarious | I hope the IU for handling USB storage devices improves immensely in the next 2-8 months. |
19:04.01 | Omnifarious | IU=UI |
19:04.53 | Omnifarious | Thanks all. :-) |
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19:24.24 | kergoth | heh |
19:24.32 | kergoth | i dunno what ts problems tmm1 seems to be encountering |
19:24.43 | kergoth | i just flashed my c750 with an oz opie image including my tslib patches and its working flawlessly |
19:24.47 | kergoth | out of hte box |
19:26.23 | Pendalar | no but you can bet it's some renegade pointer to blame |
19:26.31 | kergoth | ? |
19:26.32 | Pendalar | always, without fail |
19:26.44 | Pendalar | oh I hate pointers ^_^ |
19:26.55 | kergoth | i love pointers, dont run into problems with them very often |
19:27.14 | Pendalar | yes but your coding skill is a 'bit' above mine apparently |
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19:29.52 | SuKoSh| | kergoth: i would like to be able to help testing oz, but i still have troubles with qte |
19:30.01 | SuKoSh| | (samba also doesn't compile) |
19:31.17 | kergoth | qte built for me about 20 minutes ago |
19:32.20 | SuKoSh| | what do you think it should be? |
19:33.08 | SuKoSh| | i continue compilation of everything else but qte, and i'll try again. |
19:34.49 | kergoth | SuKoSh|: i'm not fucking psychic here |
19:34.54 | kergoth | SuKoSh|: why dont you try actually giving me an error. |
19:35.17 | Pendalar | so do you guys more or less have designated areas for working now? |
19:36.17 | SuKoSh| | kergoth: mplayer :codecs.patch did not apply, try again with force (-f ...) |
19:36.32 | SuKoSh| | that's for the one i'm trying to compile :) |
19:37.00 | kergoth | Pendalar: ? |
19:40.08 | Pendalar | well like if TMM1 keeps having problems |
19:40.41 | Pendalar | is he in charge of collie images, or is that just what he's doing for the moment |
19:41.55 | kergoth | he just happens to be working on collie 2.4.21 at the moment |
19:42.06 | kergoth | and so am i, i do its kernel development |
19:42.21 | kergoth | its not a question of delegated responsibility, just a question of what people happen to be working on |
19:44.52 | Pendalar | I was just curious if there was hammered out 'jobs' yet |
19:48.20 | kergoth | not really. people still work on what they want to work on, which is hopefully also what they're best at |
19:48.23 | kergoth | heh |
19:48.29 | kergoth | as things stand now anyway |
19:49.18 | Pendalar | I tried to crosscompile LTP and it laughed, I think I seriously need to redo my cross compiler |
19:49.31 | Pendalar | I also tried to compile on the zaurus, that was funny as well |
19:49.41 | Pendalar | took like 1.5 hours and failed at that |
19:54.27 | kergoth | hah |
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20:00.47 | Pendalar | I didn't know ltp had gotten so big |
20:01.00 | Pendalar | I saw the tar.gz was under 2mb and was like hmm this won't be bad |
20:01.08 | Pendalar | but after uncompressing it's almost 20mb |
20:04.30 | andersee | My 256MB SD left Salt lake an hour ago. I hope they deliver it today |
20:05.15 | andersee | One it arrives, I will be forced to make SD work on my Z |
20:05.35 | andersee | Then I will be forced to get nethack merged into oz |
20:05.40 | andersee | :-) |
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20:21.50 | SuKoSh| | chouimat: serais tu la? |
20:22.02 | SuKoSh| | _Psycho_: pareil pour toi, camarade francophone |
20:22.20 | _Psycho_ | je joue a EQ |
20:22.21 | chouimat | de kosse? |
20:22.23 | _Psycho_ | pas mal occuper ;) |
20:23.47 | SuKoSh| | _Psycho_: eheh |
20:24.01 | _Psycho_ | demande si c pas trop long ;) |
20:24.27 | SuKoSh| | chouimat: tu sais comment on change temporairement l'environnement pour avoir des messages en anglais? |
20:25.32 | SuKoSh| | Pas re r?gle pour fabriquer la cible "sourcetrees". Arret. |
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20:30.49 | _Psycho_ | aucune idee :) |
20:30.57 | _Psycho_ | locale.conf quelque part fait un find ? sinon je sias pas |
20:31.08 | SuKoSh| | merci ;) |
20:32.42 | SuKoSh| | export LANG=C et hop |
20:32.57 | SuKoSh| | *** No rule to make target "sourcetrees" |
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21:41.00 | absentia | re |
21:41.28 | absentia | sukoshi: is that your scumvm link from killefiz? |
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21:41.50 | SoopaTRON | hello |
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22:00.10 | SuKoSh| | absentia: no he's another french guy |
22:00.41 | absentia | suk: I didn't think there were than many frenchies |
22:02.22 | SuKoSh| | absentia: sorry ;) |
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22:31.14 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: bleh. It's more than just a broken wcf12 |
22:31.29 | treke|ho1e | oh wait |
22:31.32 | treke|ho1e | I have mac filtering on |
22:32.48 | treke|ho1e | cool. Workin WCF12 |
22:35.40 | kergoth | heh |
22:35.56 | treke|ho1e | Now to send in the rebate shit |
22:42.56 | Pendalar | I'm not impressed with wcf11 |
22:43.05 | Pendalar | hope wcf12 is much better for you |
22:43.17 | treke|ho1e | Pendalar: I loved the wcf11 |
22:43.26 | treke|ho1e | I've had a very bad experience with the 12 so far |
22:43.44 | Pendalar | it's pretty high drain and runs horrible (if at all) under sharp rom |
22:44.00 | Pendalar | well I can't speak for sharp latest as I don't plan to venture back that way |
22:44.05 | treke|ho1e | since I dont have a zaurus |
22:44.16 | Pendalar | I don't either but it shouldn't have worked so poorly anyways |
22:44.38 | treke|ho1e | that would be sharps fuck up |
22:44.39 | kergoth | hmm, opie's screensaver needs to swallow events |
22:44.44 | kergoth | the first event that is |
22:45.17 | Pendalar | why do we need a screensaver? |
22:45.23 | Pendalar | although I guess couldn't hurt |
22:45.31 | Pendalar | seti@home client would be nice |
22:45.47 | absentia | I thought about that too.. I agree. |
22:45.56 | kergoth | it blanks instead of suspending when you're on AC |
22:45.59 | treke|ho1e | Pendalar: Screen blanking |
22:46.10 | kergoth | hit enter, it comes back adn then runs an app cause the enter went to the launcher |
22:46.10 | Pendalar | oh |
22:46.13 | kergoth | heh |
22:46.43 | Pendalar | I pictured some silly opengl style color morphing nonsense in about .05% speed |
22:46.54 | kergoth | heh |
22:47.08 | kergoth | sharp rom on c7x0 floats a text clock around iirc |
22:47.33 | treke|ho1e | thats not a horrible idea |
22:48.31 | Pendalar | just make it call the matrix thing |
22:48.34 | Pendalar | =-p |
22:48.36 | Pendalar | be done with it |
22:50.09 | kergoth | hehe |
22:50.11 | kergoth | thatd be spiffy |
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22:50.23 | kergoth | prelink fails |
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22:50.28 | kergoth | on libc.so.6 |
22:50.41 | treke|ho1e | is flyfucker still banned? |
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22:58.48 | micky|shakespear | kergoth: do you have a shepherd image + opie? if so, could you upload to experimental? wanted to compile my own but having trouble with my linux machine (again, grr) |
22:59.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: already done |
22:59.11 | kergoth | mickeyl: threw it up earlier today |
22:59.14 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: looks like zecke is starting to merge stuff |
22:59.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: great - thanks. |
22:59.59 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: yeah, eilers merged some sections as well. there are still a lot of areas involved. Need to track what things have been merged and what havent. |
23:00.21 | kergoth | mickeyl: qte-fonts sure takes a long fucking time on first boot, dunno whats up with that |
23:00.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw., just flashed a 2.4.21 image for collie. it's impressive! it 'feels' so much more smooth than 2.4.6... we're getting there - it's really great. |
23:00.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah - kind of 15 minutes or so |
23:00.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: I removed the depmod -ae calls in the kernel module postinsts, cuts the first boot time big time, dont lose anything since we depmod on boot. |
23:01.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: good, that speeds things up. |
23:01.16 | kergoth | i'll check on qte-fonts |
23:01.21 | kergoth | something weird going on there |
23:01.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok. the problem seemed to have creeped in since 29th july and 1th august |
23:01.42 | mickeyl | 29th july snapshots didn't expose this behaviour |
23:02.01 | kergoth | odd, i havent changed the script at all since then, and i dont think fonts have changed substantially |
23:02.02 | Pendalar | I had a snapshot on my birthday? aw how special |
23:02.04 | kergoth | strange |
23:02.19 | mickeyl | hehe. late congratulations Pendalar |
23:03.00 | kergoth | mickeyl: do you know if theres a clean test harness for python, to use for running tests and handling results? |
23:03.32 | kergoth | not necessarily testing blocks of python code, which you can do in a limited fashion with doctest, but also spawning external applications as a test and checking for failure |
23:03.41 | mickeyl | kergoth: iirc yes. there is the python unit test framework. dunno offhand if that is in the main distribution or an extra module, but its a standard |
23:03.49 | kergoth | hmm cool |
23:03.54 | kergoth | should take a look at that |
23:04.16 | mickeyl | yeah, it has a good reputation from what I've heard. never used on my own, though |
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23:04.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: looking to put into place a test plan and framework for testing OZ releases. |
23:05.16 | mickeyl | kergoth: aaah that would be so cool to have a such thing. |
23:05.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw., when PyQt 3.8 is out, I will take the time (*sigh*) and update Python in the buildroot to 2.3 and PyQt to 3.8. It's a bit of handwork to adapt all the crosscompile-patches, so can't do it in a few minutes. |
23:05.52 | kergoth | yep. LTP provides some things, but I dont know if it fits all of our needs |
23:05.56 | kergoth | ah, k |
23:06.59 | Pendalar | I'm trying =-/ |
23:09.40 | SoopaTRON | kergoth, have you had problems with ftp.gnu.org at all? |
23:10.15 | mickeyl | gawd, how i love that c750 screen... |
23:10.48 | SuKoSh| | mickeyl: so do i |
23:11.03 | SuKoSh| | SoopaTRON: did you try the mirror i gave you? |
23:11.20 | SoopaTRON | suko, sorry no, i think i was afk |
23:11.25 | SuKoSh| | http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/gnu/gnusrc/glibc/ |
23:11.27 | SoopaTRON | can you re-post please |
23:11.31 | SuKoSh| | change glibc |
23:11.45 | SuKoSh| | by what you're looking for |
23:11.46 | SoopaTRON | is there a way I can edit the build root to use that mirror? |
23:11.51 | SuKoSh| | yes, for sure |
23:12.00 | SuKoSh| | edit packages/xxx/Makefile |
23:12.12 | SuKoSh| | take care of the variables |
23:12.15 | SoopaTRON | ok |
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23:13.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: any objection to raising the version number in oz-base to 3.3.2 or 3.3.3? there has been so much progress in the last weeks, I'd think it's justified... |
23:14.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: feel free. |
23:14.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok :D /me loves increasing version numbers.... [if it's justified ;)] |
23:14.54 | kergoth | SoopaTRON: vi Vars.make |
23:15.03 | kergoth | sukosh|, SoopaTRON: change GNU_MIRROR |
23:16.31 | Pendalar | lol |
23:18.56 | SoopaTRON | suko, worked so far ;) |
23:19.00 | SuKoSh| | :) |
23:19.06 | SoopaTRON | kergoth, oh ok, i'll change that instead |
23:19.20 | SoopaTRON | damnit |
23:19.27 | SoopaTRON | now automake messed up |
23:19.29 | SoopaTRON | boooooo |
23:25.00 | SuKoSh| | SoopaTRON: what's the problem? |
23:25.24 | SoopaTRON | mirror thing |
23:25.33 | SoopaTRON | so i am trying kergoth's method |
23:25.39 | SoopaTRON | and hoping it works |
23:25.40 | SuKoSh| | yes, you'd better |
23:25.43 | SuKoSh| | it will |
23:27.14 | SoopaTRON | it didn't |
23:27.22 | SoopaTRON | it seems as though the gnu packages are hard coded |
23:29.55 | mickeyl | kergoth: is this a 2.9x or a 3.3 image you built? |
23:29.59 | mickeyl | (shepherd) |
23:30.07 | treke|home | hrmm |
23:30.35 | treke|home | who has the repository locked? |
23:30.47 | mickeyl | not me... waiting also |
23:32.40 | treke|home | oh well. I fixed glibc, just cant push |
23:32.49 | treke|home | looks like the reorganized the ftp server |
23:33.07 | mickeyl | hmm |
23:33.07 | treke|home | they removed /pub |
23:33.21 | SoopaTRON | who, ftp.gnu.org? |
23:33.29 | treke|home | yes |
23:34.08 | mickeyl | umm.... that might break a few of our packages |
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23:35.07 | treke|home | yeah. We'll see I'm doing a full build |
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23:35.14 | TCMAN | hi |
23:35.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: allthe packages shoudl be obeying GNU_MIRROR |
23:35.20 | treke|home | TCMAN: hey |
23:35.22 | kergoth | mickeyl: GNU_MIRROR contains pub |
23:35.27 | treke|home | TCMAN: Turns out my wcf12 was broken |
23:35.28 | kergoth | any packages that dont obey it need fixing |
23:35.53 | TCMAN | treke: what was broken ? did you fix it or what ? |
23:36.17 | treke|home | TCMAN: bought a new one |
23:36.17 | kergoth | finally got all the dependencies for RT installed in my homedir |
23:36.33 | kergoth | now to figure out how to use it |
23:36.42 | pb_ | heh |
23:36.43 | mickeyl | kergoth: the latest shepherd-image, is this made with 2.9x or 3.3 (or both)? |
23:37.16 | TCMAN | treke: i think i will buy another netgear maybe |
23:38.02 | TCMAN | what is the /experimental/collie image from july 26th ? should i try it ? |
23:38.05 | treke|home | TCMAN: It looks like a bad connection between the card and the antenna |
23:38.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: 3.3.1pre |
23:38.14 | kergoth | TCMAN: has opie in it, no sdmmc |
23:38.17 | treke|home | TCMAN: If I pushed the antenna forward while holding it, it would sometimes work |
23:38.28 | TCMAN | treke: interesting |
23:38.38 | TCMAN | treke: mine just seem to die sometimes after it gets hot |
23:38.56 | TCMAN | and it gets seriously hot |
23:39.01 | SoopaTRON | hmmm |
23:39.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: k. |
23:39.06 | TCMAN | my cassiopeia never got that hot |
23:39.10 | TCMAN | kergoth: thanks |
23:39.22 | treke|home | TCMAN: only bought another WCF12 since there was a 40 dollar rebate for it :) |
23:39.42 | treke|home | kergoth: Can you start kicking people from #zaurus |
23:39.43 | TCMAN | treke: cool, where did you buy it ? |
23:39.48 | treke|home | this religious rant is getting old :) |
23:39.50 | treke|home | TCMAN: Compusa |
23:39.58 | treke|home | TCMAN: Today is the last day to go for the deal though |
23:40.26 | TCMAN | bummer |
23:41.02 | treke|home | yeah |
23:43.23 | treke|home | hmmm. I hate it when I start up xmms. Hit play and then an hour later realise there is only one song in my playlist |
23:44.20 | pb_ | sounds like you need to get some more music. |
23:44.44 | TCMAN | why do i get only some stupid kitchen and house wares in my goldbox on amazon |
23:44.51 | TCMAN | instead of electronics ? |
23:45.13 | treke|home | pb_: hehe |
23:45.25 | TCMAN | its like amazon decided that i bought too much electronics there? |
23:45.53 | treke|home | do amazon still put "clean underwear" on the things other people bought list? |
23:46.15 | TCMAN | hehe |
23:46.53 | treke|home | http://icculus.org/~chunky/images/random/amazon.png |
23:47.08 | mewyn | i need to get myself a good workshop |
23:48.07 | TCMAN | hehe, windows xp :) |
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23:48.38 | treke|home | TCMAN: hopefully not under linux :) |
23:48.43 | treke|home | it's a piece of crap there |
23:49.51 | TCMAN | thats why i bought it :) |
23:49.59 | treke|home | TCMAN: Hope you didnt pay much :) |
23:50.08 | TCMAN | like $20 |
23:50.25 | treke|home | It's more or less unsupported, and there were some big sound issues :) |
23:50.38 | TCMAN | we'll see |
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23:52.11 | TCMAN | i am buying only linux games now |
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23:52.22 | agupta | hi |
23:52.23 | treke|home | You will be saving a lot of money |
23:52.28 | TCMAN | but i think i will make an exception for hl2 :) |
23:52.28 | agupta | kergoth sup |
23:53.24 | kergoth | agupta: nothing. unable to repro any ts problems, just built and flashed an opie shepherd image using all my tslib alterations without problems. |
23:53.40 | agupta | thats weird |
23:54.10 | agupta | borrow a collie from tim |
23:54.12 | treke|home | ok. No more #zaurus for me |
23:54.29 | treke|home | absentia, ogmo, and cleverdra are getting tiring |
23:54.40 | TCMAN | treke: more religious crap ?? |
23:54.41 | Bala | religious "debate" not your thing?? |
23:54.45 | agupta | treke|home ?? |
23:55.02 | TCMAN | linux is my religion and google is my god :) |
23:55.14 | treke|home | Bala: Not when the participants are mostly repeating the same thing over and over |
23:55.51 | Bala | treke: thus the quotes around debate... |
23:55.53 | Bala | :) |
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23:57.03 | SoopaTRON | damn gaim |
23:57.58 | treke|home | ~lart gnu |
23:58.11 | SoopaTRON | hmm... |
23:58.19 | treke|home | this is going to be a very long build |
23:58.38 | SoopaTRON | what is the proper way to setup an x86 compile of opie from the buildroot? |
23:58.47 | kergoth | 'setup'? |
23:58.53 | kergoth | there is no setup. |
23:58.57 | kergoth | its self contained |
23:59.14 | SoopaTRON | cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for a SL-5000d/5500 Zaurus) |
23:59.18 | SoopaTRON | stuff like that |
23:59.34 | SoopaTRON | could that somehow mess up me trying to build and x86 image |
23:59.35 | SoopaTRON | ? |
23:59.44 | treke|home | SoopaTRON: Read the buildroot documentation |
23:59.58 | SoopaTRON | treke, that is where i pasted it from |