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| 00:17.39 | masticator | I find it extremely amusing that the focus of discussion on the official sharp zaurus forums is how to get a 7xx in the US |
| 00:17.51 | masticator | that must really piss sharp USA off |
| 00:31.22 | ljp_laptop_ | hehehee |
| 01:02.03 | bipolar | it's their own damn fault... bastards. |
| 01:08.01 | treke|laptop | image building seems broken |
| 01:20.36 | bipolar | treke|laptop: ??? |
| 01:23.19 | treke|laptop | bipolar: ipkg doesnt like the timezone dependencies |
| 01:26.39 | bipolar | hmmm |
| 01:26.54 | bipolar | I build an image on friday with no problems. hmmm |
| 01:27.21 | treke|laptop | hrmmm |
| 01:27.27 | treke|laptop | maybe I'll pull and mrproper |
| 01:29.20 | bipolar | I'll be updating unstable as soon as I finish building |
| 01:29.36 | bipolar | my gcc3 build has been updated since friday |
| 01:30.01 | bipolar | got a shitload of patches to give to kergoth for buildroot though. |
| 01:31.01 | ljp_laptop_ | patches such as? |
| 01:33.45 | bipolar | ljp_laptop_: fixes, switches to debian source, etc... |
| 01:33.54 | bipolar | nothing major |
| 01:34.02 | ljp_laptop_ | ahh |
| 01:34.13 | bipolar | 3 packages are broken so far. |
| 01:34.38 | bipolar | libavcodec, libmikmod, and mikmod |
| 01:34.46 | ljp_laptop_ | I have a bunch of stuff to add |
| 01:34.53 | noidd | yeah |
| 01:35.00 | noidd | a lot is buggered |
| 01:35.21 | noidd | a lot of the sources are just not there |
| 01:35.33 | noidd | with people removing the versions we're using |
| 01:35.35 | bipolar | ljp_laptop_: has the new buildroot gotten any packages added to it yet? I wish it was up to speed with the original one with packages. |
| 01:36.09 | ljp_laptop_ | oe? |
| 01:36.11 | noidd | i'm still tryinhg to understand how it builds |
| 01:36.17 | ljp_laptop_ | there's a few packages, yes |
| 01:36.43 | bipolar | noidd: yeah, me too. |
| 01:36.52 | ljp_laptop_ | someone was going to write a script to convert makefiles.. :) |
| 01:37.09 | noidd | yeah |
| 01:37.12 | noidd | I will! |
| 01:37.24 | noidd | as soon as I get something to frigging compile :-D |
| 01:37.25 | ljp_laptop_ | good luck |
| 01:37.37 | noidd | it odesn't actually look that hard |
| 01:37.47 | ljp_laptop_ | soon as this build is finished, I am going to try links |
| 01:39.34 | noidd | I owe Jarkko (perl 5.9.0 maintainer) a new set of patches too - since OZ support is now in core perl |
| 01:41.39 | noidd | and the current version in CVS is completely broken for OZ now |
| 01:41.41 | noidd | :-/ |
| 01:43.11 | noidd | right - i'm gonna look at oe now |
| 01:43.14 | noidd | bbian |
| 01:54.03 | bipolar | I have not been able to get perl to build at all. I don't know whats up with it, but I haven't gotten any requests for it anyway. |
| 01:54.43 | noidd | ?? |
| 01:54.52 | noidd | perl is in buildroot |
| 01:54.58 | noidd | what problems are you having? |
| 02:04.09 | bipolar | noidd: it won't build. I'll get you errors when I get that far. |
| 02:04.36 | bipolar | damnit.... the wvlan_cs is not in buildroot, I don't think so anyway. |
| 02:04.42 | bipolar | fuh |
| 02:05.06 | bipolar | does anyone know where it is? |
| 02:12.02 | noidd | I got oe to do something - Yay! |
| 02:12.22 | noidd | what errors you getting? |
| 02:17.38 | bipolar | noidd: I'm going to try to build perl as soon as I finish uploading the new build to unstable |
| 02:18.28 | noidd | ok |
| 02:18.34 | noidd | 5-10 mins or so? |
| 02:18.40 | noidd | wifey is asking me to go to bed |
| 02:18.55 | treke|laptop | clock |
| 02:18.57 | treke|laptop | have fun |
| 02:19.06 | noidd | we intend to :-D |
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| 02:20.18 | ljp_laptop_ | too bad she really just wants to talk tonight |
| 02:22.02 | noidd | heeh |
| 02:22.26 | noidd | i'm going toy shopping tomorrow, so she might try to convince me not to buy anything :-) |
| 02:22.53 | treke|laptop | that could be good or bad |
| 02:23.01 | ljp_laptop_ | get her some flowers while you are at it, and she wont mind |
| 02:23.13 | noidd | depends if i'd rather be "bribed" or get the toy |
| 02:23.29 | noidd | we had visitors arrive |
| 02:23.34 | noidd | I buy a new gun |
| 02:23.36 | treke|laptop | noidd: She might decide not to take the bribe rout :) |
| 02:23.40 | noidd | these events are unrelated. |
| 02:23.44 | treke|laptop | there is always blackmail |
| 02:23.48 | noidd | hhaah |
| 02:24.52 | bipolar | noidd: yeah, soon. I just hope the upload doesn't last long. In the s'es now. :) |
| 02:27.08 | noidd | i wnat you to maked sure you upload perl :-0 |
| 02:29.03 | noidd | and net-snmp |
| 02:29.57 | noidd | although i do need to spli |
| 02:30.17 | noidd | split that into client/server packages before the next real OZ release |
| 02:31.06 | noidd | i do get a kick out of my zaurus responding to snmp requests when i'm testing my network management software |
| 02:32.37 | bipolar | noidd: I got your errors |
| 02:32.41 | bipolar | I'll msg you |
| 02:33.32 | noidd | k |
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| 02:34.17 | noidd | yeah |
| 02:34.47 | noidd | pro blem is that you have to run native 5.8.0 on your bulld machine |
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| 03:46.55 | noidd | bipolar - check your messages - later |
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| 04:47.00 | masticator | whazzaa, |
| 04:57.14 | ljp | c700 is wahhzzup |
| 05:02.20 | treke|laptop | someone get me a c700 |
| 05:05.05 | ljp | oh man, treke. its nice |
| 05:05.23 | ljp | get a c760, though |
| 05:05.31 | ljp | hehehe |
| 05:05.48 | treke|home | hehe. Nah. I dont need any more pdas :) |
| 05:05.53 | treke|home | my 3800 is still plenty for me |
| 05:06.05 | treke|home | although an axim would be nifty |
| 05:06.18 | treke|home | It has some welcome features |
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| 05:09.59 | ljp | this screen is nice, as long as you stay inside |
| 05:15.16 | treke|home | ljp: has anyone told bigboss that your going to be at trolltech yet? |
| 05:15.29 | ljp | hmm, /dev/sharp_buz no such device.... I swear I can ls it |
| 05:15.38 | ljp | yes |
| 05:15.53 | treke|home | and he promptly switched tkc over to gtk? |
| 05:16.04 | ljp | hehehe |
| 05:19.39 | ljp | what would cause that dev from not being seen |
| 05:20.24 | fdask | permissions? |
| 05:20.47 | fdask | symlink? |
| 05:21.34 | ljp | ahh. hmmm |
| 05:22.19 | ljp | quite possibly |
| 05:26.47 | ljp | seems sharp_buz -> dsp1 |
| 05:27.49 | treke|home | oz turned it into a regular dsp |
| 05:28.09 | treke|home | pnis wrote a driver for it |
| 05:29.57 | ljp | aint workin here |
| 05:30.15 | ljp | whats that command to make devices? |
| 05:31.22 | ljp | was that ported to 2.4.18 though? |
| 05:37.50 | treke|home | ljp: probably not |
| 05:38.07 | treke|home | last I checked. 2.4.6 is the only usable kernel |
| 05:48.40 | ljp | not on c700 |
| 05:51.44 | treke|home | ah |
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| 08:35.49 | TCMAN | hi |
| 08:36.06 | TCMAN | my damn mmc card got corrupted again !!! |
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| 10:30.59 | cmartin | hi mickey |
| 10:31.55 | mickeyl | moin |
| 10:31.57 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 10:35.08 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 10:35.15 | cmartin | hi Twiun |
| 10:36.51 | Twiun | mickeyl: almost to the testing stage with that script |
| 10:37.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: only need to iron out how the user will choose a preferred one from two JVMs |
| 10:39.12 | mickeyl | a minimal GUI application for that would be nice |
| 10:39.20 | mickeyl | bbl, time for lunch |
| 10:40.06 | cmartin | mickeyl: we need to get the kernel modules CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV=m, CONFIG_INPUT_SERIO=m and CONFIG_INPUT_SERPORT=m setup in the kernel in order to use that newton keyboard driver |
| 10:42.33 | cmartin | bbl - lunch sounds good |
| 10:44.43 | Twiun | mickeyl|lunch: for now, I think I'll just make additional 'enabling' packages which set one JVM up as preferred |
| 10:45.13 | Twiun | mickeyl|lunch: haven't got the time to mess with my environment to write a GUI ;) |
| 11:32.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: are you sure about that? |
| 11:34.06 | cmartin | mickeyl: looking at the webpage of the driver it says that these modules need to be modprobed - serport & keybdev |
| 11:35.43 | mickeyl | what site was that agin? |
| 11:35.58 | cmartin | just a second... |
| 11:36.26 | cmartin | http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~jpc1/linux/ipaq/serial.html |
| 11:36.34 | mickeyl | thanx |
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| 11:37.33 | cmartin | no prob |
| 11:39.47 | cmartin | mickeyl: if you can get that in there, i could test it this week |
| 11:39.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: k |
| 11:48.25 | cmartin | mickeyl: could it be that you will have to apply the kernel patch to enable the newton keyboard in the kernel - take a look at the patch from the site above - or is it enough that the modules are built from source? |
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| 12:01.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: the kernel patch just enables the integration into the kernel build infrastructure. I wrote a dedicated Makefile so that we can build it outside the kernel. |
| 12:02.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: small hurdle... qpe.sh prepends QPEDIR to the path... |
| 12:03.11 | Twiun | mickeyl: so my postinst script must modify qpe.sh |
| 12:03.25 | Twiun | more sed magick |
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| 12:22.58 | Twiun | mickeyl: where do you think I should stick my symlinks? /bin /usr/bin or somewhere else? |
| 12:23.57 | cmartin | mickeyl: ok |
| 12:26.42 | cmartin | mickeyl: if a guy with the name of Roman Jordan asks you for any help setting up buildroot, help him ;-) |
| 12:27.02 | cmartin | that the guy who ported the linux kernel to the skey.pad classic |
| 12:27.10 | cmartin | s/that/that's |
| 12:27.27 | cmartin | i told him to contact in IRC |
| 12:27.34 | cmartin | s/ us |
| 12:28.49 | mickeyl | Twiun: /usr/bin sounds good. |
| 12:28.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: ok |
| 12:30.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: then I'll get my postrm script to stick that back in front of $QPEDIR |
| 12:30.38 | mickeyl | Twiun: yes. |
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| 13:00.32 | absentia | re |
| 13:06.52 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 13:40.14 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:01.34 | absentia | morn' |
| 14:11.51 | ljp_laptop | anyone here yet? |
| 14:17.09 | absentia | ya |
| 14:17.18 | Dr_Who | alive and kicking here |
| 14:17.23 | absentia | just installing qt/pyqt on the DR server... |
| 14:18.33 | absentia | why are zaurus programs so large? |
| 14:18.37 | absentia | terminal is 2MB ram? |
| 14:19.04 | absentia | I remember running multi-user systems with a huge grapical screen... unix... with 2mb TOTAL ram. |
| 14:19.24 | cyn2 | 'huge graphical screen' ? |
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| 14:20.39 | absentia | well, 1052x900x1 .... |
| 14:20.52 | absentia | but the system was 2mb total. |
| 14:21.09 | absentia | anyway, why does terminal take up so much of a footprint?etc. |
| 14:21.37 | Dr_Who | might wanna do an ldd on the binary |
| 14:21.41 | cyn2 | well, terminal application+bash+where are you seeing it taking 2mb |
| 14:22.04 | absentia | ya |
| 14:22.13 | absentia | is bash the pig ? |
| 14:22.37 | cyn2 | nah |
| 14:23.13 | cyn2 | also: this isn't really the right chan for this |
| 14:23.54 | absentia | has anyone seen/read the opendoc book on learning to program qt? |
| 14:24.04 | absentia | what is this channel for ? |
| 14:25.06 | absentia | ah, silence. |
| 14:25.24 | cyn2 | this channel is for openembedded developers |
| 14:25.38 | cyn2 | aka people doing actual shit related to the build system and the core os etc. |
| 14:25.48 | cyn2 | it's a programming chan, not support, not questions unrelated to said programming |
| 14:26.06 | Dr_Who | well footprint is sometimes a programming issue ;-) |
| 14:26.28 | cyn2 | yes but he didn't program the program in question, don't stretch it :P |
| 14:26.32 | cyn2 | i don't mean to get up on your case |
| 14:26.37 | cyn2 | but you have a habit of whining a lot abs |
| 14:26.50 | cyn2 | 'why this why that wheres c700 image' etc. |
| 14:27.03 | cyn2 | and i expect the different channels are so the core ppl can have priorities |
| 14:27.24 | cyn2 | aka activity in this channel is given sooner attention than other chans |
| 14:30.00 | absentia | you're right.... OSS = Ostrich Source Systems .... |
| 14:30.09 | absentia | which channel is a channel for whining? |
| 14:30.34 | Dr_Who | #wine ? |
| 14:31.23 | absentia | notice the h |
| 14:31.36 | absentia | as a program, I tend to pay attention to details.... believe it or not. |
| 14:32.03 | lsmith | sometimes approaximated answers is all that you can find |
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| 14:49.19 | chouimat | hi ljp |
| 14:52.21 | ljp_laptop | hey |
| 14:52.42 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: anything new? |
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| 14:56.23 | ljp_laptop | qtopia 1.6.2 c700 & 5000d rom ;) |
| 14:57.00 | ljp_laptop | just a few things need tweaking, like alarm sounds and such |
| 14:58.05 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: url? |
| 14:58.07 | chouimat | :) |
| 14:58.27 | ljp_laptop | updating gentoo to glibc 2.3 |
| 14:58.32 | ljp_laptop | no url yet |
| 14:58.49 | ljp_laptop | need to find out sounds thing |
| 14:58.58 | chouimat | ok ... |
| 14:59.27 | Twiun | re |
| 15:00.00 | ljp_laptop | and networks settings have to be tweaked not via netsetup gui |
| 15:01.21 | bflong | I wonder if I should try gentoo. It seems to be the thing to do :) |
| 15:01.44 | bflong | err... |
| 15:02.03 | chouimat | bipolar: try |
| 15:02.37 | bipolar | BTW: the unstable feed for openzaurus is update. |
| 15:03.14 | ljp_laptop | bipolar: its nice if you always compile stuff anyway |
| 15:03.33 | ljp_laptop | finding apps is easy: emerge -s somethingerother |
| 15:04.19 | chouimat | up |
| 15:04.23 | chouimat | err yup |
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| 15:07.51 | ljp_laptop | its only mildly annoying sandbox crapola |
| 15:08.11 | ljp_laptop | just frickin install that fZ*cker |
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| 15:12.21 | ljp_laptop | weeeeee |
| 15:13.24 | Twiun | ~whee |
| 15:13.25 | | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 15:17.39 | djr | bipolar: hey, there are no images in the gcc3-feed |
| 15:18.07 | absentia | the latest oz has broken systime, etc. |
| 15:18.17 | djr | hehe |
| 15:18.35 | bipolar | ooops |
| 15:19.14 | djr | i finally got wget and tcsh cross compiled :D |
| 15:20.07 | bipolar | fixed |
| 15:20.20 | bipolar | Twiun: wasup? |
| 15:20.44 | Twiun | nothing... just poking for the fun of it |
| 15:21.11 | djr | bipolar: thanks |
| 15:21.23 | bipolar | djr: NP |
| 15:21.31 | absentia | sharp has tcsh |
| 15:22.22 | djr | yep, but i was lazy |
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| 15:38.20 | treke | hey kergoth |
| 15:38.27 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:38.56 | treke | kergoth: Man. It's scary. I'm actually agreeing with RMS about bitkeeper :) |
| 15:39.12 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:39.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:39.31 | absentia | treke: uh huh |
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| 15:43.01 | ljp_laptop_ | kergoth: alarm/screen/key sounds working on c700 for you? |
| 15:43.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop_: nope, i suspect sharp changed the char device interface. |
| 15:43.59 | ljp_laptop_ | is pnis' changes in the 2.4.18 patch? |
| 15:44.13 | kergoth | i dont believe he's touched c7x0 kernel sources |
| 15:44.19 | kergoth | i havent, short of the occasional patch |
| 15:44.30 | kergoth | and afaik c7x0 has a speaker, not piezo |
| 15:44.44 | ljp_laptop_ | ya, I can play mp3 through it |
| 15:45.02 | ljp_laptop_ | sounds like crap.. but I can hear it |
| 15:45.16 | kergoth | heh, lets just make opie's c7x0 odevice play it via the same way as ipaq |
| 15:45.23 | kergoth | instead of through the crap char device |
| 15:45.33 | kergoth | can do that for 5x00 as well, since buzzer is a dsp |
| 15:46.03 | treke | kergoth: McVoy, like BigBoss, would do a whole lot better if he didnt deal with users |
| 15:46.10 | ljp_laptop_ | as long as sharp_buz points to something. |
| 15:46.54 | kergoth | my point is, we dont need to use sharp_buz at all anymore |
| 15:47.01 | kergoth | its pointless to rely on shitty sharp interfaces |
| 15:47.41 | ljp_laptop_ | well, qtopia at least needs something called sharp_buz that points to whatever the speaker is |
| 15:47.42 | treke | kergoth: Compatibility |
| 15:47.58 | treke | unless it behaves just like a dsp |
| 15:48.00 | kergoth | i'm not voting for removing the compatibility device |
| 15:48.07 | kergoth | i'm voting for making opie not USE it |
| 15:48.15 | ljp_laptop_ | ok, ya. |
| 15:48.21 | treke | no arguments on that from me |
| 15:48.59 | ljp_laptop_ | as long as aralm sounds still work, I'm all for it |
| 15:49.05 | ljp_laptop_ | alarm |
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| 15:49.24 | treke | kergoth: There is one upside to sharp's buzzer |
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| 15:50.02 | treke | kergoth: You can probably use it to produce alarms and keyclicks while the real audio device is open |
| 15:50.11 | bipolar | kergoth: yo |
| 15:50.40 | kergoth | treke: well, we can make the buzzer dsp support multiple opens. |
| 15:50.46 | kergoth | in the driver |
| 15:50.48 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 15:51.28 | treke | that would be fine also |
| 15:51.29 | bipolar | kergoth: i've got buildroot patches. I've been trying to send them to myself with no luck. I never get the email. |
| 15:51.40 | bipolar | kergoth: it's weird |
| 15:51.51 | kergoth | something's up with our 2.4.21 rmk tree, i get unhandled vector exceptions immediately upon executing init |
| 15:52.06 | treke | so dont exec init |
| 15:52.36 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 16:01.23 | treke | holy crap |
| 16:01.30 | kergoth | whee. |
| 16:01.41 | treke | this dvd is ripping at about 4 times the speed and 2.6 |
| 16:01.56 | absentia | ya, cdrs just aren't cuttin' it anymore for me |
| 16:01.57 | treke | bleh |
| 16:01.59 | absentia | I need capacity |
| 16:02.07 | treke | 4 times the speed of 2.4 in 2.6 |
| 16:02.19 | treke | I need caffiene |
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| 16:02.55 | treke | well, sleep hasnt been working for me lately :) |
| 16:03.25 | chouimat | treke: 2.6 is 4x faster than 2.4? |
| 16:03.28 | absentia | caffeine hinders sleep. |
| 16:04.03 | treke | heat hinders sleep |
| 16:04.28 | absentia | ya. |
| 16:05.33 | ljp_laptop_ | rm -rf heat |
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| 16:07.41 | absentia | being in a humid place when it's > 85% humidity.. makes it difficult to sleep |
| 16:07.50 | absentia | I've always said that airconditioning makes me feel rich. |
| 16:08.14 | treke | oh well. It'll cool off in a few months |
| 16:08.21 | absentia | where are you ? |
| 16:08.29 | treke | california |
| 16:08.51 | absentia | where ? |
| 16:08.54 | absentia | I just got back from san fran |
| 16:08.59 | absentia | it was so cold, I had to buy a jacket |
| 16:09.05 | treke | Ventura. It's in the south |
| 16:09.12 | treke | North of LA |
| 16:09.12 | absentia | ah |
| 16:09.22 | absentia | I had flight 1... out of LAX once. |
| 16:15.57 | treke | bipolar: making mrproper fixed my depends problem |
| 16:17.36 | bipolar | treke: cool |
| 16:17.51 | bipolar | kergoth: I just emailed you a patch |
| 16:17.55 | kergoth | k |
| 16:18.05 | bipolar | kergoth: updates, source switches, etc... |
| 16:18.28 | bipolar | kergoth: all the stuff I did to get the new unstable feed built. |
| 16:19.00 | treke | wow |
| 16:19.09 | treke | renicing X helped performance significantly |
| 16:19.18 | chouimat | treke: on 2.6? |
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| 16:19.26 | treke | perceived performance |
| 16:19.27 | treke | chouimat: yes |
| 16:20.17 | chouimat | ok I'm still waiting for 4.3 to compile |
| 16:21.01 | treke | kergoth: has never been niced |
| 16:21.41 | ljp_laptop_ | <kergoth> damnbit! my work requires I have broadband!! |
| 16:22.56 | absentia | my work doesn't require that I have any home connection |
| 16:23.06 | absentia | but they will pay for it (broadband) and even give me a laptop... |
| 16:23.09 | absentia | crazy place. |
| 16:23.41 | ljp_laptop_ | oh, how horrible that must be for you |
| 16:24.23 | cmartin | bbl |
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| 16:29.50 | bipolar | kergoth: would you be opposed to using glibc from debian as well? Do you know any reasons why any package we can get from debain should be dl'ed from upstream instead? |
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| 16:30.53 | treke | bipolar: upstream is more likely to bewhat the user expects |
| 16:30.58 | chouimat | how am i supposed to do palm development without one ???? |
| 16:31.42 | treke | bipolar: debian often patches source |
| 16:32.53 | bipolar | treke: yeah, thats what I mean. They also make sure that there are no issues with arm or any other platform becouse it all needs to be compiled for everything. |
| 16:34.24 | bipolar | most of the non-GUI stuff in buildroot comes from debian already. |
| 16:34.32 | kergoth | and? |
| 16:35.08 | bipolar | I suppose it's 6 in one hand and a half-dozen in the other. |
| 16:35.13 | kergoth | General policy, I want upstream tarballs to come from the upstream source maintainer's distribution means, unless we need the debian patch. |
| 16:36.19 | tux_mike | foo |
| 16:36.30 | tux_mike | i need to get apache 1.3 and recompile ssh for my system |
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| 16:41.18 | andersee | kergoth: I only use the debian source tarball when I find the original tarball is too hard to find |
| 16:41.41 | kergoth | andersee: yeah, thats a good policy. |
| 16:41.55 | kergoth | or if the upstream mirrors suck. i'd rather use debian's than a 56k upstream :) |
| 16:41.56 | treke | like apm :) |
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| 16:43.37 | treke | we should just mirror all the source on sf |
| 16:43.46 | bipolar | sf sucks |
| 16:43.48 | treke | oh wait. that would fall under the mirrors sucking |
| 16:43.50 | bipolar | heheh |
| 16:44.15 | mark | cvs isn't mirrored is it? thats what sucks the most abuot sf |
| 16:44.38 | treke | mark: you can download the nightly cvs snapshots |
| 16:45.06 | treke | with a bit of work you could create your own mirrors |
| 16:46.32 | Twiun[out] | bittorrent with permanent seeds? |
| 17:06.41 | andersee | kergoth: For example, I use the debian source for iproute2, since the source, somewhere in the weeds of .ru is mostly impossible to download |
| 17:09.13 | kergoth | hehe, understandable |
| 17:09.40 | kergoth | *finally* got ahold of the broadband folks. Going to head up to fry's & pick up a cable modem, then they say they can have me up and running immeidately |
| 17:09.46 | mickeyl | yahoo |
| 17:09.47 | kergoth | one less headache |
| 17:09.47 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 17:10.16 | andersee | kergoth: does that mean you'll soon have net access from home? |
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| 17:10.56 | absentia | anyone know of any python qt ... examples? games? |
| 17:11.25 | kergoth | andersee: yeah |
| 17:15.45 | kergoth | what the.. |
| 17:15.54 | kergoth | is anyone else having trouble connecting to openzaurus.bkbits.net via ssh? |
| 17:22.45 | kergoth | hmm, /dev population didnt occur on the c750 at boot, interesting |
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| 17:24.21 | chouimat | treke: ping |
| 17:25.55 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.18 | chouimat | treke: I have problem with 2.6.0-test1-mm2 ... root=/dev/sda2 doesn't seem to work |
| 17:26.31 | treke | what happens? |
| 17:27.00 | chouimat | kernel panic can't found sda2 |
| 17:27.23 | treke | do you have the proper drivers compiled into the kernel or in an initrd? |
| 17:27.45 | chouimat | treke: yah |
| 17:27.58 | treke | did the kernel see the scsi card? |
| 17:28.06 | chouimat | yes |
| 17:28.20 | treke | did it see the devices on the card? |
| 17:28.26 | chouimat | yes |
| 17:29.03 | treke | are you using devfs? |
| 17:29.10 | chouimat | treke: yes |
| 17:29.21 | treke | ding ding ding |
| 17:29.30 | treke | we have a winner :) |
| 17:30.01 | chouimat | ? |
| 17:30.21 | ljp_laptop_ | is it difficult to add a new target platform? |
| 17:30.36 | treke | chouimat: devfs uses different device naming |
| 17:31.07 | chouimat | treke: I used it with 2.4.21 without problem |
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| 17:40.42 | treke | sweet. someone at dell is working on axim support |
| 17:43.08 | ljp_laptop_ | cool, lucky you |
| 17:50.03 | ljp_laptop_ | mickeyl: was it diffucult to add simpad platform? |
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| 17:51.42 | treke | ljp_laptop_: its easy if you dont need to write a kernel |
| 17:51.53 | treke | ljp_laptop_: Or introduce a new architecture |
| 17:52.02 | mickeyl | ljp_laptop_: no - it was pretty easy since the kernel work had been already done |
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| 17:52.27 | ljp_laptop_ | how hard would it be to add a new arch? |
| 17:52.46 | mickeyl | i'd say straightforward. the basics are already done |
| 17:53.05 | treke | it would probably be a fair amount of work though |
| 17:53.29 | treke | armisms have probably snuck in by now |
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| 17:57.25 | ljp_laptop_ | hmm, and how about if someone wanted to add a different target os? |
| 17:57.41 | treke | ? |
| 17:57.42 | ljp_laptop_ | hehehhe :) |
| 17:57.50 | Neo|Work | and I'm back from restoring my broken lilo boot. Computer died friday evening |
| 17:57.52 | Neo|Work | (lilo got a checksum error) |
| 17:58.00 | treke | cool |
| 17:58.05 | treke | did you fix it with grub? :) |
| 17:58.06 | Neo|Work | and the slack install disk I had couldn't see any partitiona on the harddrive |
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| 17:58.13 | Neo|Work | as a matter of fact, it wouldn't even start fdisk |
| 17:58.19 | Neo|Work | fortunately, it was all still here |
| 17:58.30 | Neo|Work | treke: no, priority 1 is to get it booting. :P |
| 17:58.41 | treke | hehe yeah :) |
| 17:59.38 | treke | not really much benefit to grub unless you fiddle with kernels often |
| 18:00.50 | kergoth`lunch | why is orinoco in our buildsystem twice? |
| 18:01.03 | kergoth`lunch | and why is spectrum in twice? |
| 18:01.36 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:01.43 | mickeyl | spectrum is no longer twice |
| 18:01.52 | mickeyl | schurig corrected his mistake |
| 18:02.09 | kergoth`lunch | bleh, i cant get into bkbits |
| 18:02.15 | mickeyl | orinoco is twice because i didn't find the energy to make 0.13 to behave with kernel 2.4.6 |
| 18:02.16 | kergoth`lunch | can you, or is it something with the proxy here? |
| 18:02.22 | mickeyl | hold on... |
| 18:02.26 | treke | I couldnt either |
| 18:02.29 | kergoth`lunch | k |
| 18:03.01 | mickeyl | hmm... no go either. |
| 18:04.15 | treke | mcvoy must be testing 2.6.0 |
| 18:04.26 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 18:04.31 | mickeyl | oh no... not again ;) |
| 18:05.11 | Neo|Work | man is it nice to be back though |
| 18:05.20 | kergoth`lunch | back? |
| 18:05.36 | Neo|Work | treke: the only reason the box was rebooted was that if got fucked up by mplayer or something else and basically locked hard |
| 18:05.52 | Neo|Work | kergoth: check my msgs a few lines up |
| 18:06.00 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:08.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: make orinoco 0.13 depends on ! KERNEL-2.4.6 or something |
| 18:09.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: yes |
| 18:10.11 | kergoth | k |
| 18:12.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12.57 | carsten_ | ljp_laptop_: no idea, but I like the ones "Plus" sells (here in germany) |
| 18:13.19 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:13.49 | ljp_laptop_ | theres burritos in Germany? |
| 18:14.07 | cmartin | the best tacos in germany are those from Casa Fiesta ;-) - almost like home (USA) |
| 18:14.55 | cmartin | ljp_laptop_: yep you can get'em from the Metro |
| 18:15.12 | kergoth | there are much better mexican food joints in tx than mn |
| 18:15.22 | kergoth | not surprising, but its nice |
| 18:16.30 | ljp_laptop_ | something funny... theres mexican restaurants in Alaska |
| 18:19.14 | Neo|Work | anyone in the Savage (by S2 Games) beta btw? |
| 18:19.44 | kergoth | ibot: dict diuretic |
| 18:20.15 | Neo|Work | it's a cool game |
| 18:20.21 | Neo|Work | FPS mixed with RTS |
| 18:20.47 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.55 | Neo|Work | and the others are the "units" |
| 18:21.08 | kergoth | sounds like battlezone |
| 18:21.13 | Neo|Work | as the game progresses the commander researches more and more advanced weapons and units that you can be |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | ever play that one? |
| 18:21.17 | Neo|Work | amazingly fun |
| 18:21.25 | Neo|Work | but rough around the edges yet |
| 18:21.28 | Neo|Work | nope, I didn't |
| 18:21.48 | Neo|Work | it's amazing how fun it is to get orders to kill someone, build or what not. :) |
| 18:22.02 | kergoth | similar style. first person commanding. i like that interface |
| 18:22.43 | cmartin | mickeyl: get a chance to update the simpad-config? |
| 18:23.12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: this is third person commander and I think it might differ a lot |
| 18:23.22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah, interesting |
| 18:23.23 | mickeyl | cmartin: no - not yet. just do it and rebuild kernel. the new modules should be available then |
| 18:23.23 | Neo|Work | it's a literal RTS game |
| 18:23.33 | Neo|Work | for that one person |
| 18:24.01 | Neo|Work | http://www.s2games.com/savage/ |
| 18:24.14 | mickeyl | good |
| 18:24.20 | mickeyl | don't forget shepherd ;) |
| 18:24.26 | kergoth | and husky |
| 18:24.27 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 18:24.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:24.30 | kergoth | later |
| 18:24.34 | mickeyl | ;)) |
| 18:25.32 | Neo|Work | and you ultimately win by killing the other teams headquarters |
| 18:26.07 | kergoth | #openembedded is /win 23 |
| 18:26.09 | ljp_laptop_ | thats cruel |
| 18:26.12 | kergoth | i think its time to quit some channels |
| 18:26.17 | treke | definitly |
| 18:26.18 | ljp_laptop_ | heh |
| 18:26.21 | ljp_laptop_ | 23 ? |
| 18:26.27 | treke | dump #openzaurus |
| 18:26.45 | kergoth | i'll quit zynot and stay in zynot-dev |
| 18:26.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:26.52 | treke | zynot? |
| 18:27.27 | kergoth | treke: the gentoo fork |
| 18:27.46 | treke | ah |
| 18:27.52 | kergoth | mostly idling there atm, monitoring their portage modifications |
| 18:27.55 | kergoth | since OE is portage based.. |
| 18:28.45 | treke | *lart people who post plain text messages in html to mailing lists |
| 18:28.47 | kergoth | ah, i should part #zaurus |
| 18:28.53 | Neo|Work | that's especially cool with savage is that it's being developed for Windows and Linux simultaneously and will be released with Linux in the box, supported |
| 18:28.57 | kergoth | and picogui, and mtd |
| 18:29.13 | Neo|Work | kergoth: uh, you're in like two channels. :P |
| 18:29.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:29.25 | Neo|Work | unless you have many you |
| 18:29.52 | kergoth | i'm in like 16-18 on this network, and like 4 on oftc |
| 18:30.02 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.29 | kergoth | why the hell am i connected to dalnet |
| 18:31.51 | kergoth | err, i have 208 bytes free in / |
| 18:34.14 | treke | plenty of room |
| 18:37.22 | ljp_laptop_ | just some random box on the internet? |
| 18:39.18 | cyn2 | Neo|Work: lotsa chans are +s, or kergoth might be invisible, so you'd only see the chans yer in with him on /whois |
| 18:39.38 | cyn2 | kergoth is sekretive |
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| 18:41.18 | kergoth | ah yeah, i was +ei |
| 18:41.22 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:42.42 | kergoth | bleh |
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| 18:56.09 | chouimat | treke: 2.6.0 is now working thanks |
| 18:56.21 | treke | cool |
| 18:56.38 | chouimat | just need to renice X |
| 18:57.04 | treke | yeah. nice it to 0 |
| 18:57.56 | chouimat | treke: how to see his current nice level? |
| 18:58.10 | pb_ | ps should show you |
| 18:58.25 | treke | yeah |
| 19:00.00 | kergoth | damnit, c750 has the same 'hang in console when tab completing' bug that c700 had |
| 19:00.18 | chouimat | kergoth: :( |
| 19:02.25 | kergoth | damnit bkbits, come back |
| 19:05.17 | chouimat | http://www.dilbert.com/ |
| 19:06.40 | Neo|Work | cyn2: I see |
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| 19:09.19 | pb_ | heh, just figured out that the percentage display next to the battery monitor on my laptop is actually wireless signal strength, not battery percentage. |
| 19:09.26 | pb_ | I wondered why it kept going up and down like that. |
| 19:09.32 | treke | pb_: haha :) |
| 19:09.57 | ljp_laptop_ | anyone know of a free nfs client for win2k? |
| 19:10.22 | ljp_laptop_ | pb_: thats frickin funny |
| 19:12.30 | mewyn | hrm |
| 19:17.45 | mewyn | ljp: free... nfs... windows..... does not compute |
| 19:18.11 | ljp_laptop_ | hjehee |
| 19:18.13 | ljp_laptop_ | it must |
| 19:18.15 | chouimat | ljp_laptop_: easy to install samba |
| 19:18.39 | ljp_laptop_ | *sigh* |
| 19:18.52 | ljp_laptop_ | but I want nfs... |
| 19:19.25 | mewyn | well, there is hummingbird's stuff, and MS's services for unix |
| 19:19.53 | ljp_laptop_ | MS isnt free |
| 19:20.09 | mewyn | nor is hummingbird |
| 19:20.18 | mewyn | i've never seen a free NFS for windows |
| 19:21.03 | ljp_laptop_ | hmm, how about cygwin.. they have nfs? I wonde |
| 19:21.05 | ljp_laptop_ | are |
| 19:21.11 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 19:21.29 | pb_ | don't think so. They have XFree86, but not NFS afaik. |
| 19:22.52 | mewyn | i don't think cygwin could provide the kernel hooks |
| 19:23.29 | pb_ | indeed |
| 19:23.33 | Neo|Work | NFS doesn't have to sit in the kernel |
| 19:23.50 | mewyn | TRUE |
| 19:23.53 | mewyn | ack |
| 19:23.54 | Neo|Work | depends on what you want it to do I guess. :) |
| 19:23.56 | mewyn | true |
| 19:23.57 | Neo|Work | FALSE |
| 19:24.02 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 19:24.21 | Neo|Work | to be able to "map drive" or browse it, I suppose it might have to however |
| 19:24.24 | mewyn | if !true false |
| 19:24.42 | mewyn | i wonder if there's a browser for NFS for linux |
| 19:25.04 | ljp_laptop_ | ya, ls |
| 19:25.19 | fdask | :) |
| 19:25.35 | fdask | smbclient |
| 19:25.40 | fdask | oh wait, nfs |
| 19:25.41 | mewyn | i mean to see what exported shares you can see on a server |
| 19:26.06 | kergoth | there is, i forget what its called though |
| 19:27.26 | ljp_laptop_ | true grid pro? |
| 19:28.33 | mewyn | true grid pro? |
| 19:30.38 | kergoth | I wish more people would make use of bk flags to reflect merges with upstream tags |
| 19:30.40 | chouimat | http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES/2003/r030721.htm |
| 19:30.53 | kergoth | i.e. gadget tree shouldve tagged the version of 2.4.21 + the gadget bits |
| 19:34.58 | mewyn | gadget tree? is that where you grow gadgets? |
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| 19:35.44 | kergoth | heh, its the linux bitkeeper kernel tree for the USB Gadget stack |
| 19:36.05 | kergoth | which is a clean api for handling usb gadgets, aka client/devices, like the zaurus/ipaq/etc |
| 19:37.13 | chouimat | ? |
| 19:37.36 | mewyn | i wonder if i can use that for my light device i was gonna make |
| 19:38.37 | kergoth | its far more clean than lineo's USBD |
| 19:38.54 | kergoth | structured more like the host side usb, as far as code structure is concerned |
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| 19:41.03 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 19:41.17 | treke | yumm. new monitor |
| 19:41.24 | kergoth | what monitor? |
| 19:41.42 | treke | Viewsonic VG800. |
| 19:42.14 | treke | higher res would be nice, but I'll just have to steal a second monitor :) |
| 19:42.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:43.28 | mewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.39 | mewyn | didn't AC make linux SMP? |
| 19:43.53 | Neo|Work | treke: flat? |
| 19:44.46 | treke | mewyn: ues |
| 19:44.50 | treke | Neo|Work: yes |
| 19:45.04 | treke | Neo|Work: LCD |
| 19:45.33 | mewyn | that's what i thought |
| 19:46.40 | Neo|Work | Oh yeah, Unixware is not successful because of Linux. That must be it. Couldn't possibly be that it SUCKS MAJOR ASS or anything |
| 19:47.04 | Neo|Work | out of all the true unices I've worked, SCO is definitely the one that comes out last |
| 19:47.17 | treke | hahaha |
| 19:47.18 | kergoth | openserver is fairly solid for what its designed for |
| 19:47.18 | treke | http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html |
| 19:47.20 | kergoth | unixware is worthless |
| 19:47.47 | treke | "At the moment I am developing using a Caldera provided ASUS P54PNIP4 motherboard with 32Mb of RAM. This has been deliberately loaded down with as much junk hardware for testing as I can lay my hands on." |
| 19:48.02 | Neo|Work | ahaha |
| 19:48.30 | ljp_laptop_ | " We didn't faill, it is Linux' fault we failed." |
| 19:48.57 | treke | although I dont think SCO owned caldera at that point |
| 19:49.21 | Neo|Work | actually, Caldera owns SCO not the other way around |
| 19:49.30 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:49.32 | Neo|Work | or to be exact, the old SCO is around with another name |
| 19:49.38 | Neo|Work | the new SCO is caldera with a new name |
| 19:49.42 | Neo|Work | or something like that |
| 19:49.46 | treke | oh? |
| 19:49.58 | treke | that makes it even funnier |
| 19:50.02 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 19:50.15 | kergoth | yeah, ,caldera bought sco, dropped the sco name, then changed their name to sco |
| 19:50.19 | kergoth | idiots. |
| 19:50.22 | Neo|Work | Caldera bought stuff from SCO (i.e unix rights or what not) and got the name as part of the deal I'm guessing |
| 19:50.39 | Neo|Work | Q: Will you adjust your earnings guidance because of this? |
| 19:50.41 | Neo|Work | A: IDC says there are over 2 million 2.4 Linux kernel version servers out there. With a SCO Unixware license program in place, we are talking about a multi-billion dollar issue here. We are not willing to discuss earnings guidance at this point. |
| 19:50.46 | Neo|Work | yeah, good luck with that |
| 19:51.01 | Neo|Work | I don't understand how they can talk like this without laughing hysterically |
| 19:51.02 | kergoth | heh, they're dreamin |
| 19:51.04 | treke | So a company that, unless I'm mistaken, was heavily built on Linux , is now trying to claim Linux is illegal |
| 19:51.13 | kergoth | can we say deluded |
| 19:51.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:51.44 | Neo|Work | treke: exactly so |
| 19:51.51 | treke | they must have hired Al-Sahaf |
| 19:51.54 | ljp_laptop_ | fud farmers |
| 19:52.10 | Neo|Work | they are facing certain death and this is their last breath |
| 19:52.20 | Neo|Work | the really scary thing is that they potentially could win |
| 19:52.24 | Neo|Work | I mean everything is possible |
| 19:52.48 | Neo|Work | with the support from Microsoft, they might even be able to have a prolonged battle with IBM |
| 19:53.45 | treke | "Q: Don't you violate the GNU license with this plan? |
| 19:53.46 | treke | A: No, because we put in just a run-time only license for our Unixware product. Thus users can run both licenses at the same time and our license plan does not violate or conflict with the GPL which deals with source code licensing." |
| 19:54.09 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 19:54.19 | treke | erm. The GPL also states that you can't add any additional restrictions on top of the existing license |
| 19:54.38 | treke | Of course if the code is illegally licensed the point may be moot ;) |
| 19:55.51 | Dr_Who | hmm that makes it sounds like it's a license for the unixware ABI |
| 20:02.11 | kergoth | err |
| 20:02.16 | kergoth | when did i get an oz image on this 5600? |
| 20:05.01 | kergoth | hmm, i can do http bits on bkbits now, but not ssh |
| 20:05.59 | kergoth | er, at least i can for some repositories, but not others |
| 20:06.00 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:06.44 | ljp_laptop_ | flash by osmosis? |
| 20:08.51 | kergoth | er, bkbits stopped working totally again |
| 20:08.52 | kergoth | grr |
| 20:20.49 | kergoth | ibot: monday |
| 20:20.50 | | from memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
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| 20:30.57 | kergoth | hey, Twiun's reconfiguring packages is spiffy |
| 20:33.12 | ljp_laptop_ | damn, I spant the last hour or so googling for free windows nfs clients... there are none |
| 20:33.38 | pb_ | ljp_laptop_: damn. |
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| 20:38.28 | treke | ljp_laptop_: MS Sells one |
| 20:38.53 | ljp_laptop_ | I know |
| 20:38.56 | cyn2 | sells != free |
| 20:38.57 | ljp_laptop_ | Idont wanna pay |
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| 20:45.40 | kergoth | hm, need to make 'mtd' create an ipk |
| 20:47.39 | kergoth | bleh |
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| 20:50.37 | TCMAN | hi |
| 20:56.56 | treke | TCMAN: you ever get your watch? |
| 20:57.34 | TCMAN | treke: nope, amazon sent an email that they will release it on august 30 for preorders |
| 20:57.41 | kergoth | I think i'm going to make the OZ updater.sh flip sharp off using ANSI |
| 20:57.43 | kergoth | :D |
| 20:58.36 | TCMAN | kergoth: is it possible that i am missing some ipk with init files ? so i dont have /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:58.38 | mickeyl|tv | lol |
| 20:58.45 | kergoth | interfaces is included with ifupdown |
| 20:59.09 | kergoth | sharp's kernel doesnt support ramfs |
| 20:59.14 | kergoth | oh, they must prefer tmpfs |
| 20:59.26 | pb_ | seems likely. |
| 20:59.29 | TCMAN | hmm, there it is, sorry |
| 20:59.49 | kergoth | whats the difference again, tmpfs can set a max size, right? |
| 21:01.37 | kergoth | grr, tab completing on /etc/init.d/devices hangs tghe c750 |
| 21:02.19 | pb_ | yep. also tmpfs is swapable, though that probably isn't too exciting on a Z. |
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| 21:37.23 | TCMAN | hmm, shutdown->terminate opie in unstable just restarts opie |
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| 21:37.39 | kergoth | TCMAN: only if you're using opie-login with autologin, thats true |
| 21:39.08 | TCMAN | kergoth: what will happen if i remove opie-login ? :) |
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| 21:41.09 | kergoth | k, there goes the glibc build.. using ccache, shouldnt be long now |
| 21:41.16 | kergoth | lets flash that kernel.. |
| 21:41.26 | mickeyl | s |
| 21:41.31 | TCMAN | wireless params do not get set when i put in network card |
| 21:41.48 | pb_ | kergoth: which glibc are you using these days? |
| 21:41.49 | TCMAN | they are set in networksetting but never make it to the card |
| 21:42.20 | kergoth | pb_: i believe schurig updated us to 2.3.2 with a couple patches |
| 21:42.46 | mickeyl | seems to be there again... lets see for how long |
| 21:42.47 | chouimat | kergoth: http://events.kde.org/info/kastle/conference_program.phtml |
| 21:43.33 | mickeyl | nono... push, not pull ;) |
| 21:43.51 | mickeyl | ok, pull before push is necessary ;) |
| 21:44.09 | kergoth | heheh. not much to push yet |
| 21:44.25 | kergoth | damnit schurig, how did that glibc patch end up acting ass binary |
| 21:44.48 | mickeyl | yeah... pretty annoying... i ended up recloning because i didn't find the magic to resolve that conflict |
| 21:44.55 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i'm doing as well |
| 21:45.29 | kergoth | grabbing our 2.4.19 collie tree as well, need that collie support patch |
| 21:45.42 | mickeyl | which one |
| 21:45.43 | mickeyl | ? |
| 21:46.01 | kergoth | the old linux-arm-2.4-collie tree |
| 21:46.06 | kergoth | since 2.4.21-rmk1 isnt liking me |
| 21:46.16 | kergoth | doing a 2.4.19-rmk7 tree for the moment |
| 21:46.36 | mickeyl | yeah, didn't want to compile for me either. had errors in irda etc. |
| 21:46.47 | kergoth | compiles fine for me, but doesnt function |
| 21:46.54 | kergoth | we get vector exceptions as soon as it spawns init |
| 21:46.56 | kergoth | quite ugly |
| 21:46.59 | mickeyl | oh. now that's even more shitty |
| 21:47.03 | kergoth | yea |
| 21:47.11 | kergoth | apparently rmk is looking into it though, so no worries |
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| 21:47.15 | kergoth | just backing up to something more proven :) |
| 21:47.16 | mickeyl | good |
| 21:47.28 | kergoth | hey TMM1 |
| 21:47.36 | mickeyl | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:47.38 | kergoth | woot |
| 21:47.39 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 21:47.44 | kergoth | the c750 kernel built by buildroot is usable |
| 21:47.50 | kergoth | so we support the c750 now |
| 21:47.52 | mickeyl | aw cool! |
| 21:47.58 | mickeyl | that is pretty good news. |
| 21:48.00 | kergoth | course we need more deviceisms for opie and stuff, but at least it works |
| 21:48.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:48.07 | TMM1 | kergoth: sup |
| 21:48.11 | TMM1 | whats new |
| 21:48.13 | TMM1 | sweet |
| 21:48.15 | kergoth | going to adjust the defconfig, add ramfs and stuff |
| 21:48.16 | mickeyl | kergoth: will you add a kernel-shepheard to bk ? |
| 21:48.21 | kergoth | mickeyl: already did, just need to push |
| 21:48.33 | kergoth | fyi the sharp kernel-shepherd tree supports corgi as well |
| 21:48.38 | kergoth | so i made it buildable for that target too |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | cloning buildroot takes far far too long |
| 21:49.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: pretty good news. now anything good for the SL5600 users also? what is holding back support for these? |
| 21:49.06 | treke | there really is a shepard |
| 21:49.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: turns out i already had a 5600 with an oz image on it |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe |
| 21:49.27 | kergoth | mickeyl: i forgot, but i turned it on, and there was an oz prompt |
| 21:49.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: haha nice..... |
| 21:49.46 | treke | kergoth: moron |
| 21:50.00 | kergoth | so yeah, b500/5600/c700/c750/c760 are supported now |
| 21:50.05 | mickeyl | kergoth: now _that_ would be a good moment to show commitment on openzaurus.org/news wouldn't it ;-) |
| 21:50.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:50.12 | treke | no |
| 21:50.16 | mickeyl | treke? |
| 21:50.24 | treke | the principal of the matter is that we should never post another update |
| 21:50.28 | treke | principle |
| 21:50.32 | treke | whatever |
| 21:51.04 | mickeyl | treke: that's bs. we never should do estimations for releases, but updates are a good thing(tm). people are interested in if we still work on the project or not. |
| 21:51.06 | ljp_laptop | you rebel |
| 21:51.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: exactly. |
| 21:51.31 | kergoth | I wish the project could be focused enough to do timely releases, but the fact is things are wayy too dynamic for that |
| 21:52.35 | mickeyl | yup. but a small group as ours working on that much things in parallel... it's pretty surprising we get _anything_ achieved ;-) |
| 21:52.47 | kergoth | yeah, good point |
| 21:52.51 | treke | Do we get anything achieved? :) |
| 21:52.57 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:52.58 | mickeyl | yeah we do |
| 21:53.04 | treke | seems like most of the work is spent keeping everything working :) |
| 21:53.19 | mickeyl | OpenIpaq, OpenSIMpad, OZ for new models... Opie 1.0... i feel that's pretty exciting stuff altogether |
| 21:53.22 | kergoth | hehe, maintainance effort grows as we have to work around scalability problems in the system |
| 21:53.27 | bipolar | hmm... no complains about the feed update. That either means that no one has any problems (yeah, right) or no one tried it. :p |
| 21:53.33 | treke | Now I can see why Redhat is 386 only |
| 21:53.42 | kergoth | so we need to switch systems before the maintainance effort surpasses that of the improvement effort |
| 21:53.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54.13 | treke | what is scary is each of the devices are so similar :) |
| 21:54.26 | bipolar | later all |
| 21:54.38 | kergoth | yeah, it is amazing how portable the user space environment is |
| 21:55.50 | mickeyl | actually, in the future the big work really will be in libraries and GUI. Qtopia [and thus Opie] has been so tied to that 320x240... |
| 21:56.38 | mickeyl | all we are doing currently is working around limitations in the core. |
| 21:56.51 | mickeyl | and the time will come to change this.... imho soon. |
| 21:57.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:57.46 | treke | OPIE 2 man. Opie 2 :) |
| 21:57.47 | kergoth | time to spend less time hacking and more time designing opie |
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| 21:58.42 | JohnZ | where can i download imagepad source code? |
| 21:59.01 | treke | imagepad? |
| 21:59.03 | mickeyl | imagepad... imagepad... imagedpad? |
| 21:59.04 | kergoth | and why would we know? |
| 22:00.20 | JohnZ | i'm using tkcrom now and there is a new image viewer/editor named imagepad |
| 22:00.52 | kergoth | this channel is for 1) development, not user support |
| 22:00.56 | kergoth | and 2) OZ/OE, not TKC |
| 22:01.08 | kergoth | so this is so far off topic |
| 22:01.26 | ljp_laptop | try asking in #zaurus |
| 22:01.28 | chouimat | kergoth: wow! this is the kergoth we know ;) |
| 22:02.31 | treke | and 3) you probably cant download the source |
| 22:04.27 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:04.28 | kenb | How do you generate CRTL sequence on the Z? |
| 22:04.40 | kergoth | cant bk pull from gatekeeper so that i can push my shepehrd changes because of that damn binary/ascii delta |
| 22:04.46 | kenb | ie: I wanna send crtl+a |
| 22:05.09 | TMM1 | how do i suspend my machine with acpi in 2.6 |
| 22:05.12 | mickeyl | hehe... asynchronous email fallback |
| 22:05.15 | TMM1 | /proc/acpi/sleep don't exist anymore |
| 22:06.39 | mewyn | TMM: enable software suspend, then enable sleep modes |
| 22:06.49 | mewyn | i think there are some fscked up deps in 2.6 |
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| 22:11.46 | kergoth | pb_: haha, is this _sn00p person for real? |
| 22:12.24 | pb_ | kergoth: heh, I wonder that myself. fwiw, he constantly /msgs me at random as well, but I just ignore him now. |
| 22:12.39 | kergoth | k there, shepherd and husky are supported by buildroot now |
| 22:12.40 | mewyn | what is he doing? |
| 22:13.17 | andersee | kergoth: shepherd and husky? |
| 22:13.26 | kergoth | andersee: shepherd is c750, husky is c760 |
| 22:13.32 | kergoth | andersee: i dunno whats with sharp's dog naming :) |
| 22:13.43 | pb_ | right, dinner time. bbl |
| 22:14.05 | kergoth | ibot: shepherd is Sharp Zaurus SL-C750 or a dog |
| 22:14.05 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:14.13 | kergoth | ibot: husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog |
| 22:14.14 | | kergoth: okay |
| 22:14.25 | mickeyl | ibot: poodle |
| 22:14.26 | | i heard poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 22:14.32 | mickeyl | ibot: corgi |
| 22:14.32 | | [corgi] sharp sl-c700, or a dog |
| 22:14.38 | mickeyl | hehe, ok. all in |
| 22:14.45 | treke | ibot beagle |
| 22:14.46 | | treke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:14.54 | treke | mine sure is |
| 22:15.13 | andersee | kergoth: I guess they think their PDAs are dogs |
| 22:15.18 | mickeyl | kergoth: so theoretically, I can now build a shepherd-image and flash it and it should work? ;) |
| 22:15.29 | treke | andersee: sales wise, they might not be too far off |
| 22:15.41 | absentiaS | hey |
| 22:15.44 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah. just use corgi-image. shepherd shares a great deal of code with corgi |
| 22:16.00 | kergoth | mickeyl: course you need a better updater.sh, i'll upload the one i'm using to openzaurus.org |
| 22:16.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah good please do so. |
| 22:16.30 | kergoth | i'll put sashz's updater.sh encoder/decoder tool there too |
| 22:16.35 | kergoth | so you can decode it and make modifications if you like |
| 22:16.38 | mickeyl | right. that is handy |
| 22:16.42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:16.50 | kergoth | i still vote for making the oz updater.sh flip sharp off using ANSI |
| 22:16.51 | mickeyl | i like the possibility to just open a shell and flash by hand :)) |
| 22:17.04 | kergoth | mickeyl: my updater.sh for testing = #!/bin/sh .. exec /sbin/sulogin |
| 22:17.06 | mickeyl | lol... I'd also vote for that |
| 22:17.35 | kergoth | or we could do an easter egg. flash OZ while holding shift and it flips sharp off |
| 22:18.47 | mickeyl | better make it by default :)) |
| 22:18.54 | mickeyl | so more people will see it everytime |
| 22:18.55 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:22.20 | mickeyl | great. time to get some sleep now. tomorrow will be OZ on Shepherd Testing Day ;) |
| 22:22.24 | mickeyl | g'night all |
| 22:22.28 | kergoth | night |
| 22:24.54 | TMM1 | kergoth: you got a c750? |
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| 22:25.13 | kergoth | only for testing, its not mine |
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| 22:25.31 | kergoth | gah that hang when tab completing bug pisses me off |
| 22:25.56 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
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| 22:36.50 | kergoth | hmm, to get in my full 8 hours given my late starting time today, i need to stay here till 7:30, but the broadband place closes at 8. i think i'll bolt early and just work a couple hours late tomorrow or wednesday to make up the hours |
| 22:36.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37.21 | ljp_laptop_ | thats noce you can do that |
| 22:37.26 | ljp_laptop_ | nice |
| 22:37.46 | kergoth | yeah, flex time spoils ya |
| 22:42.22 | TCMAN | kergoth: broadband place ??? |
| 22:42.45 | treke | International House of Broadband |
| 22:42.58 | TCMAN | what is that ? |
| 22:43.06 | treke | a joke |
| 22:43.51 | ljp_laptop_ | IHOB |
| 22:47.01 | ljp_laptop_ | never heard of IHOB? |
| 22:47.29 | chouimat | wow BOOBS channel |
| 22:48.21 | kergoth | TCMAN: the company i'm ordering cable internet from |
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| 22:51.58 | TCMAN | kergoth: cant you just call them so they come to your home and install the stuff ? |
| 22:52.14 | kergoth | TCMAN: yeah, but i'm going to buy a cable modem instead of renting one of theirs for $10/month |
| 22:52.26 | kergoth | besides, if i rent one of theirs, they ship the damn thing to me, not bring it directly |
| 22:52.27 | TCMAN | kergoth: unless you need to select the color of your cable modem ? :))) |
| 22:52.30 | kergoth | so its like another 7-10 days |
| 22:52.36 | kergoth | and screw waiting another week |
| 22:53.08 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 22:53.10 | TCMAN | kergoth`bbl: right |
| 22:53.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ide-scsi not working in 2.6 |
| 22:53.18 | TheMasterMind1 | nor is vmware |
| 22:53.41 | treke | vmware works |
| 22:53.45 | treke | I use it at home |
| 22:54.01 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: with 2.6? |
| 22:55.16 | treke | yes |
| 22:59.57 | ljp_laptop_ | kergoth`bbl: fyi, just got sharp_buz to work: mknod sharp_buz c 10 211 |
| 23:00.27 | ljp_laptop_ | ahhhh |
| 23:01.36 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: how'd you do that |
| 23:02.22 | treke | With style |
| 23:02.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i try compiling modules for 2.6 and get some /proc/ksyms not found stuff, then it makes a .o and can't load it |
| 23:02.42 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz it needs to be a .ko or whatever |
| 23:02.52 | treke | you can load .os :) |
| 23:03.10 | TheMasterMind1 | Error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 23:03.13 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
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| 23:53.42 | ljp_laptop | what package supplies /etc/device_table? |
| 23:55.50 | kenb | anyone going to OLS this year? |
| 23:56.34 | ljp_laptop | not unless you send me |
| 23:56.39 | kenb | nope. |
| 23:57.45 | ljp_laptop | not unless TT sends me |
| 23:58.54 | chouimat|tv | hi kenb ljp_laptop |
| 23:58.59 | chouimat|tv | ~stuff |
| 23:59.00 | | ACTION is stuffing George* |
| 23:59.51 | kenb | hi chou |