| 00:00.04 | ljp_laptop | to opierec |
| 00:00.30 | andersee | kergoth: you are using my kernel headers tarball, yes? |
| 00:00.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:00.56 | kergoth | the uclibc.org one, any particular mirror you want me to use by default? |
| 00:01.34 | andersee | kergoth: http://uclibc.org/ is fine. Just don't use cvs.uclibc.org! :-) |
| 00:01.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:01.45 | andersee | Thats an alias for my home machine |
| 00:02.17 | treke | all the more reason to use it |
| 00:02.24 | treke | it should be lightly loaded 2/3 of the day |
| 00:03.24 | andersee | uclibc.org is hosted at an telco with redundant sonet... :-) |
| 00:03.57 | andersee | codepoet.org (my home box) is at the end of a DSL soda straw |
| 00:04.21 | ljp_laptop | I thought dsl was more like a slurpie |
| 00:04.49 | chouimat | sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppp! |
| 00:05.04 | treke | why does it look obscene when chouimat types it |
| 00:05.12 | kergoth | cause we know him too well |
| 00:05.43 | chouimat | treke: why you always think that? I'm drinking a very cold coke here |
| 00:07.20 | ljp_laptop | might be easier and faster just to rip apart a c700 image, stick qtopia1.6.2 on it, |
| 00:07.35 | ljp_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.52 | ljp_laptop | oz using uclibc? |
| 00:10.24 | ljp_laptop | only thing stopping me from taking that shortcut is keyboard handling |
| 00:12.00 | treke | and the fact that you would be branded as a lazy bastard? |
| 00:12.08 | kergoth | he's already branded as a lazy bastard |
| 00:12.23 | treke | well then, carry on |
| 00:12.52 | ljp_laptop | yes, admitted lazy bastard |
| 00:13.29 | treke | like that's a bad thing |
| 00:13.31 | ljp_laptop | hey, I dont rememebr qtopia compile last time... |
| 00:14.31 | treke | you were prboably drunk |
| 00:14.48 | chouimat | treke: ljp_laptop drunk? impossible |
| 00:14.58 | treke | inconceivable |
| 00:15.09 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 00:15.14 | kergoth | if i select gcc 2.95 in buildroot |
| 00:15.17 | kergoth | and exit and savee |
| 00:15.21 | kergoth | and run menuconfig again |
| 00:15.24 | kergoth | its deselected |
| 00:15.35 | ljp_laptop | it knows better |
| 00:15.48 | chouimat | ok I'm off for now laterz |
| 00:16.04 | ljp_laptop | b bye |
| 00:16.20 | ljp_laptop | dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out |
| 00:16.32 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 00:17.47 | ljp_laptop | I need to get drunk |
| 00:17.54 | andersee | sigh |
| 00:18.17 | andersee | 2.4.21-pre2 didn't include my i386 math-emu fix for gcc 3.3 |
| 00:23.53 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup sources.redhat.com |
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| 00:27.59 | Neo|Work | scanline: yes. linux kernel bug which gives you root access when you run the exploit |
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| 01:04.14 | scanline | Neo|Work: ooh fun.. is there a fix yet? |
| 01:05.37 | ljp_laptop | opie patches applied farily well to qte 2.3.6 |
| 01:05.46 | treke|home | scanline: There has been a fix for months |
| 01:08.57 | Neo|Work | scanline: yes |
| 01:09.01 | ljp_laptop | too bad it doesnt compile cleanly |
| 01:09.02 | Neo|Work | scanline: none of my boxes are affected |
| 01:14.05 | ljp_laptop | lemme try again |
| 01:15.22 | scanline | Neo|Work: just wondering if it was an excuse to upgrade my server that's still running 2.4.18 :) |
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| 01:30.26 | Neo|Work | scanline: google for "ptrace exploit" and try yourself |
| 01:32.47 | scanline | wow... it works on my fairly recent gentoo box |
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| 01:33.36 | Neo|Work | depends on the kernel |
| 01:33.44 | Neo|Work | like vanilla kernel < 2.4.21 I think is affected |
| 01:33.46 | Neo|Work | I think |
| 01:33.47 | Neo|Work | not sure |
| 01:33.48 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 01:33.56 | scanline | ah.. this is only running 2.4.19 |
| 01:34.03 | scanline | guess I'll need to upgrade both boxen |
| 01:34.07 | Neo|Work | that's.. not new |
| 01:34.14 | scanline | yeah, I thought it was newer |
| 01:35.29 | Neo|Work | Aug 2002 it seems |
| 01:35.51 | scanline | no, I mean I thought the kernel on the box was newer... I know 2.4.19 is old |
| 01:37.35 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 01:38.08 | scanline | luckily all the local users on these machines either have my trust, or wouldn't know about such an exploit :) |
| 01:38.19 | Neo|Work | handy if you lose the root password on a box where you have no console access or can't reboot |
| 01:38.25 | scanline | so I can probably wait until some planned hardware upgrades instead of causing extra downtime... |
| 01:38.26 | Neo|Work | not to mention if you "need" root on some box. :-) |
| 01:38.31 | scanline | hehe |
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| 02:28.55 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 02:39.08 | chouimat | hey ljp_laptop |
| 02:45.57 | ljp_laptop | what up |
| 02:46.25 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I'm steam cooking slowly |
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| 02:48.53 | zar | hy all |
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| 03:06.25 | zar | hey whats the cvs fer the buildroot? |
| 03:09.50 | zar | nevermind i found it |
| 03:10.34 | ljp_laptop | buildroot uses bk |
| 03:11.10 | zar | ya I found it, it seems slow |
| 03:15.29 | treke|laptop | buildroot is big |
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| 03:27.11 | zar | dammit now I gotta copy it to my compiling machine :/ |
| 03:49.06 | ljp_laptop | ibot test |
| 03:49.07 | | Passed |
| 03:50.06 | treke|laptop | ibot, die? |
| 03:50.08 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:06.47 | ljp_laptop | I must be dreaming scripts that dont exist |
| 04:07.48 | ljp_laptop | could have sworn there was a qtopia-to-sdk script |
| 04:16.30 | zar | anyone alive |
| 04:16.48 | zar | uclib says 404 on the kernel headers |
| 04:23.55 | ljp_laptop | change the packages/kernel-headers/Makefile to 2.4.21 |
| 04:26.55 | zar | cool thanx |
| 04:27.42 | zar | now its cookin |
| 04:38.30 | zar | umm where libvncserver under? |
| 04:39.59 | zar | nevermind I found it |
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| 04:47.13 | Piete | Hello :) |
| 04:47.16 | zar | hy |
| 04:47.43 | Piete | what happened to xmms/e in 'stable'? |
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| 04:48.21 | zar | ??? |
| 04:48.43 | Piete | well, i synced, and now its gone :/ |
| 04:49.40 | Piete | and quite a few apps (like opie-qpdf and opiemedia player) needs a newer libstdc++ |
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| 04:50.45 | Piete | heya jmhodges |
| 04:52.01 | bach | can anyone suggest me a good cf wireless card? |
| 04:52.10 | zar | dlink |
| 04:53.02 | bach | does it have an external antenna? |
| 04:53.58 | Piete | this simpad thing looks really nice |
| 04:54.58 | zar | ya sort off |
| 04:55.14 | zar | they have them on tigerdirect for like 49 bucks |
| 04:55.51 | Piete | :0 |
| 04:55.59 | Piete | I just love the 800x600 screen, thats all |
| 04:56.30 | zar | ya i bet it beats lookin at pron then on a 320x200 screen lol |
| 04:56.36 | Piete | I just found out about them a few minutes ago, when I went to the openembedeed wiki |
| 04:57.12 | Piete | I mean, just look at this : javascript:close(); |
| 04:57.14 | Piete | uhm |
| 04:57.31 | Piete | http://www.opensimpad.org/screenies.0.html |
| 04:57.36 | bach | zar: thanks... i will check it out |
| 04:57.37 | Piete | the apps1 one |
| 04:59.08 | Piete | zar: any ideas about whats going on with the feeds? |
| 04:59.24 | zar | nope |
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| 04:59.40 | zar | i reinstalled and a whole bunch of the where fucked up |
| 04:59.45 | jmhodges | Piete: heya :) |
| 05:00.23 | Piete | maybe I should just sell my zaurus and get a 12" powerbook, Ericsson T68i, and flat-rate GPRS... |
| 05:00.27 | Piete | *ahh, bliss* |
| 05:01.07 | zar | cvs -z0 -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.infradead.org:/home/cvs co mtd |
| 05:01.07 | zar | cvs checkout: authorization failed: server cvs.infradead.org rejected access to /home/cvs for user anoncvs |
| 05:03.10 | Piete | this sucks. I'm media-player-less :( |
| 05:05.01 | Piete | maybe I should try sharp-rom until oz 3.3 or whatever comes out.. |
| 05:05.06 | Piete | anyway |
| 05:05.07 | Piete | later |
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| 05:24.03 | TheMasterMind1 | i got my new laptop! |
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| 05:25.01 | zar | are there some issues with mtd its not compilin |
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| 05:35.45 | treke|home | zar: no |
| 05:40.39 | zar | wierd Im gettin a error when compilin it |
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| 09:00.31 | TheMasterMind1 | DUDE |
| 09:00.34 | TheMasterMind1 | auto-apt is AWESOME |
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| 09:23.54 | mickeyl | moin |
| 09:24.03 | schurig | mickeyl: moin! |
| 09:24.12 | schurig | oder für Frankfurter: Ei gude, wie? |
| 09:24.34 | mickeyl | :))) |
| 09:25.11 | mickeyl | schurig: pretty good. our faculty just switched to our brand new gigabit ethernet router... and it works! |
| 09:25.19 | mickeyl | schurig: how 'bout you? everything fine? how's your wife? |
| 09:25.54 | schurig | mickeyl: she can't sleep at night ... and it's not just the new Harry Potter book ... otherwise she's fine! |
| 09:28.05 | mickeyl | schurig: when is the scheduled magic date? |
| 09:28.15 | schurig | first week of August |
| 09:28.27 | mickeyl | k, then that's not very far away... |
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| 09:32.28 | mickeyl | huuhuu |
| 09:33.47 | zecke | hi |
| 09:38.47 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 09:38.50 | mickeyl | ibot: seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 09:38.51 | | themastermind1 is currently on #opie (2h 21m) #gct (2h 21m) #uclibc (2h 21m) #gpe (2h 21m) #zaurus (2h 21m) #elinux (2h 21m) #openembedded (2h 21m) #handhelds.org (2h 21m) #openzaurus (2h 21m). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 38m 17s |
| 09:40.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 09:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl: wassup |
| 09:41.02 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: did you read my botmail? I need a matching zImage for 3.2.5rc1. Could you please upload one (or more, if you build more)? |
| 09:43.05 | TheMasterMind1 | whats wrong with the ones on the oz download site? |
| 09:47.10 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: the modules don't load because of unresolved symbols. |
| 09:47.33 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: so we need the kernel which matches to your image, i.e. the modules |
| 09:52.01 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 09:53.55 | mickeyl | hey Twiun - how's your health? |
| 09:54.06 | mickeyl | still? |
| 09:54.18 | Twiun | yup, not as bad as the other night though |
| 09:54.57 | pb_ | morning Twiun |
| 09:56.04 | Twiun | hiya pb_ |
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| 11:54.00 | gruemelmonster | has anyone managed to mount a fat formatted cf-card with mickeys oz3.2.5rc1? |
| 11:54.45 | gruemelmonster | or did he really forget to compile the kernel with vfat support? |
| 11:55.34 | ljp_laptop | hehee |
| 11:55.44 | gruemelmonster | ljp_laptop: ;) |
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| 12:02.07 | ljp_laptop | cant imagine he would do that on purpose |
| 12:03.41 | schurig | gruemelmonster: do modprobe vfat; cat /proc/filesystems ... doesn't vfat show up? |
| 12:12.04 | gruemelmonster | schurig: no it does not;) |
| 12:12.49 | gruemelmonster | where shall i report bugs? to mickey himself or just as normal? |
| 12:13.53 | schurig | gruemelmonster: to the one responsible for your kernel is best, I guess |
| 12:13.58 | gruemelmonster | by the way usbd is not found either |
| 12:15.14 | mickeyl|lunch | gruemelmonster: modules don't work due a not matching zImage. the proper zImage will be uploaded today. just flash the kernel image and that should work |
| 12:15.31 | mickeyl|lunch | i'll keep you posted on that. |
| 12:15.36 | mickeyl|lunch | must leave now |
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| 12:57.44 | Twiun | OT: anyone use phpwiki? |
| 12:58.33 | schurig | Twiun: we're using phpwiki on Opie's and OE's wiki |
| 12:58.55 | ljp_laptop | ya, phpwiki is ok. |
| 12:59.25 | schurig | minimalistic & fast |
| 12:59.27 | ljp_laptop | phpwiki lacks user logins |
| 12:59.52 | Twiun | I've just set it up, had the index.php show me what categories it was generating and now all I get output is garbage |
| 12:59.56 | Twiun | no html |
| 12:59.58 | ljp_laptop | or, rather. when a user is 'admin', they dont have admin access |
| 13:00.34 | ljp_laptop | did you configure it? |
| 13:00.48 | Twiun | yup, using mysql |
| 13:00.54 | Twiun | tables are created just fine |
| 13:01.31 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: try http://adorphuye.com:8080/wiki/index.php |
| 13:02.00 | Twiun | hmm |
| 13:02.02 | Twiun | actually |
| 13:02.08 | Twiun | looks fine in links |
| 13:03.00 | Twiun | that's really odd |
| 13:03.15 | Twiun | could be an encoding issue I suppose |
| 13:03.33 | ljp_laptop | hmmmm |
| 13:03.42 | ljp_laptop | opera doesnt like it |
| 13:05.08 | Twiun | yeah... and comparing with other phpwiki sites, it looks like charset= server responses shouldn't be there |
| 13:06.48 | schurig | Twiun: http://adorphuye.com:8080/wiki/index.php gives me binary data |
| 13:07.03 | schurig | Twiun: somethng like < ´ZysÛ6ÿß?åö?µyè |
| 13:08.24 | Twiun | schurig: yeah, same here - but if I browse using links, it looks fine |
| 13:08.47 | schurig | Twiun: could it the the case that the page is compressed, but has the wrong mime type? |
| 13:08.57 | schurig | if yes, then just remove apache_mod_gzip |
| 13:09.19 | schurig | http://adorphuye.com:8080/wiki/index.php?RecentEdits gives garbage, too |
| 13:09.36 | Twiun | ahhh, ok, I'll disable that |
| 13:09.37 | scanline | micah@yoshi micah $ file index.php |
| 13:09.37 | scanline | index.php: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 13:09.52 | schurig | or make sure that the mime-header is right |
| 13:10.29 | ljp_laptop | I need to get out more.... I think I dreamed about a shell script, and was looking for it, but cant find it.. hmmm |
| 13:10.43 | pb_ | hah |
| 13:10.46 | ljp_laptop | was named qtopia-to-sdk |
| 13:10.57 | ljp_laptop | I swear I looked at that |
| 13:11.14 | ljp_laptop | I was going to adapt it to opie |
| 13:11.46 | schurig | ljp_laptop: ~/buildroot-oz/scripts is the location |
| 13:12.03 | ljp_laptop | really? |
| 13:12.11 | schurig | for scripts: yes :-) |
| 13:12.28 | ljp_laptop | not there here |
| 13:12.59 | ljp_laptop | and I swear it was in the qtopia bin |
| 13:13.20 | schurig | ljp_laptop: just bk pull. Maybe you wrote it in your dream and bk pushed it .... :-) |
| 13:13.39 | ljp_laptop | I dont have write access yet |
| 13:14.07 | ljp_laptop | would be weird of TT actually had a script like that |
| 13:14.11 | ljp_laptop | if |
| 13:14.45 | schurig | ljp_laptop: ah, btw, you could someday have a word at TT that they should start to sell Qt for WinCE. We'd like to buy it and use it. |
| 13:15.09 | schurig | they even demoed it at exhibitions here in Germany ... |
| 13:15.37 | schurig | Twiun: you page is still borked |
| 13:16.33 | ljp_laptop | interesting, I did have a word with warwick about qtopia on other os'. |
| 13:17.16 | ljp_laptop | qte makes more sense on other os' though |
| 13:17.17 | Twiun | schurig: I know, I know... trying to figure out why the server's throwing up gzipped data, but only for that dir - and not for links |
| 13:17.36 | ljp_laptop | maybe links unzips it |
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| 13:18.18 | Twiun | wget reports the right mimetype though |
| 13:18.26 | ljp_laptop | I have started a list of items to bring to TT when I get there... |
| 13:18.39 | Twiun | and wget'd files are fine too |
| 13:19.04 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: item 1) yourself |
| 13:19.16 | ljp_laptop | yes... |
| 13:19.31 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:23.12 | schurig | ljp_laptop: maybe links does the equivalent of file on the input ... |
| 13:23.23 | Twiun | wget too? |
| 13:23.27 | schurig | ljp_laptop: anyway, you could go per telnet to you port 8080 and issue a HEAD request |
| 13:23.49 | schurig | ljp_laptop: then you see only the HTTP-header that your apache is sending and you could immediately see if everything is well |
| 13:24.23 | schurig | ljp_laptop: lynx also has a -head option, if you don't speak http-protocol natively :-) |
| 13:24.45 | Twiun | schurig: I'm the one with problems, ljp_laptop is helping ;) |
| 13:24.54 | schurig | ups, sorry |
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| 13:25.43 | schurig | Twiun: ahh, your http header is wrong. It says: |
| 13:25.46 | schurig | HTTP/1.0 200 OK |
| 13:25.46 | schurig | Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:22:47 GMT |
| 13:25.46 | schurig | Server: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.22 (Linux-Mandrake/10.1mdk) PHP/3.0.18 |
| 13:25.47 | schurig | Content-Type: text/html |
| 13:25.47 | schurig | X-Cache: MISS from localhost |
| 13:25.48 | schurig | Proxy-Connection: close |
| 13:25.48 | chouimat | hhi Twiun schurig |
| 13:26.03 | schurig | the "Content-Type: text/html" doesn't look right |
| 13:26.34 | schurig | chouimat: moin! |
| 13:26.41 | Twiun | schurig: but that's also what other phpwiki servers are spweing |
| 13:27.03 | Twiun | chouimat: hey :) |
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| 13:27.55 | schurig | Twiun: yeah, but they send plain html text, not gzipped files |
| 13:29.14 | Twiun | schurig: problem is finding out wtf it's being told to gzip them |
| 13:29.36 | schurig | Twiun: rpm -qa | grep apache |
| 13:30.23 | schurig | Twiun: no, the gzip module is not an extra rpm. |
| 13:30.45 | Twiun | schurig: there's no mod_gzip directive in the conf files though |
| 13:31.20 | ljp_laptop | hmmmm, sharks eatting more australians |
| 13:32.03 | schurig | Twiun: look into /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf, the lines LoadModule and AddModule ... |
| 13:32.13 | Twiun | schurig: hmmm, phpwiki has gzip functionality... |
| 13:33.50 | Twiun | schurig: and mod_deflate in httpd2.conf is disabled (no mod_gzip entries at all) |
| 13:34.00 | Twiun | schurig: I'm going to investigate phpwiki some more |
| 13:48.24 | Twiun | schurig: you know, this only happens after the index configures itself once - beforehand, the index page is properly encoded and not gzipped |
| 13:50.25 | Twiun | hrm. and there aren't any other changes in the index.php file... |
| 13:50.29 | Twiun | must be a bug in phpwiki |
| 13:58.34 | chouimat | hmmm sourcefarce cvs still sucks |
| 14:06.34 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: you expected it to change? |
| 14:07.44 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: noot reaally |
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| 14:09.20 | HCl | how can you build only one of the packages? |
| 14:09.23 | HCl | say xmms-e |
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| 14:10.13 | mickeyl | make SUBDIRS=packages/xmms-e |
| 14:15.21 | HCl | hm |
| 14:15.24 | HCl | thats what i thought.. |
| 14:15.55 | HCl | but it builds libsidtune instead,which is broken. |
| 14:16.43 | mickeyl | it builds all necessary dependencies |
| 14:16.46 | HCl | tmm. |
| 14:16.49 | HCl | mmm.* |
| 14:16.59 | mickeyl | what is with libsidplayer? |
| 14:17.14 | HCl | undefined stuff.. its totally broken.. |
| 14:17.53 | HCl | sigh... and the sourceforge cvs server is broken too |
| 14:17.54 | mickeyl | builds perfectly here. |
| 14:18.10 | HCl | let me try again.. |
| 14:18.12 | mickeyl | sf cvs server is mostly not broken but limited in number of concurrent anonymous connections |
| 14:18.17 | HCl | aha.. |
| 14:18.19 | HCl | ok. |
| 14:18.20 | mickeyl | just try again until it works. |
| 14:18.23 | HCl | mmn |
| 14:19.14 | bach | HCl: you are trying to rebuild xmms-e? |
| 14:19.25 | HCl | just build it from the buildroot |
| 14:21.37 | HCl | meh. |
| 14:21.42 | HCl | i'll look at it later |
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| 14:57.03 | djr | is ipkg still unsafe? 0.99.84 |
| 14:57.14 | kergoth | HCl: try changing the compression (-z value, in scripts/getsource) |
| 14:57.15 | treke | define unsafe |
| 14:57.44 | djr | treke: last time i upgraded ipkg, i couldnt upgrade anything or something |
| 14:58.17 | kergoth | i've heard that report |
| 14:58.20 | kergoth | but havent seen it myself |
| 14:58.21 | treke | with whatever the kernel ipkg is |
| 14:58.29 | djr | youre using 0.99.84 just fine? |
| 14:59.28 | treke | no. I'm using whatever the current buildroot spits out |
| 15:00.03 | djr | hmm ok |
| 15:01.10 | schurig | djr: I changed the buildroot some days ago to use ipkg from CVSDATE 20030623. Works great for me and I haven't heard any problem on this IRC channel |
| 15:01.23 | schurig | according to the ChangeLog it was worth the update .... |
| 15:01.42 | schurig | djr: what did you mean with " is ipkg still unsafe?", to what unsafeness are you referring? |
| 15:02.32 | djr | im still hung on it from like a month or two ago... when ipkg was broke in the unstable feed |
| 15:03.11 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, might be true. Actually, I used ipkg two days before I bk pushed. But I agree. I hang too little time in #handhelds.org around ... |
| 15:03.25 | djr | i dont have my own buildroot going because i never got it going so im using http://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/unstable/3.2.5rc1/feed/Packages |
| 15:04.04 | schurig | kergoth: oh, btw, I changed the ipkg-make-index.py file. It now considers the mtime as well. And it has now "dupecheck" built in. I uploaded it to opie.handhelds.org, same path |
| 15:04.10 | treke | is it 5 yet? |
| 15:04.30 | kergoth | note thats unofficial, there is no official 3.2.5rc1 yet |
| 15:04.35 | kergoth | schurig: nice work :) |
| 15:04.38 | djr | kergoth: yep, i know |
| 15:04.41 | bach | is qtopia currently working on OZ? |
| 15:05.08 | kergoth | djr: just making sure, dont want any incorrect impressions amongst the users |
| 15:05.46 | treke | bach: no. oz has opie in it |
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| 15:06.19 | bach | treke: yes, but i thought that Qtopia was ported to it |
| 15:06.28 | bach | to have the choice |
| 15:06.47 | djr | i just need to get a linux box going so i can use buildroot... just having difficulties deciding with dist... i dont want gentoo because i think it sucks and theyre gonna be switching to rpm eventually and dropping portage... and slackware is nice but i want something like freebsd's ports |
| 15:06.51 | treke | bach: not yet |
| 15:06.52 | mewyn | woo! national do not call registry is up |
| 15:06.52 | djr | hehe |
| 15:07.07 | kergoth | bach: ljp is working on adding qtopia to our buildsystem |
| 15:07.16 | bach | ok great |
| 15:07.20 | treke | mewyn: I've decided to use the local do not answer the phone registry |
| 15:07.26 | treke | mewyn: much simpler |
| 15:08.07 | mewyn | lol |
| 15:08.17 | mewyn | i personally use the cell phone method |
| 15:08.26 | treke | yeah. I do answer that |
| 15:08.37 | mewyn | but i'm sick of the calls on my parent's land line |
| 15:09.02 | treke | scrath that |
| 15:09.10 | djr | hehe, i have a phone system that detects spam phone calls and sends the disconnected sound to them... and the software the company is using thinks the line is disconnected and they remove me from their list |
| 15:09.21 | treke | more than 3 people have the number associated with me. Apparently Armando Gomez didnt pay his bills |
| 15:09.24 | djr | since 99% of the software the companies use have that feature |
| 15:10.25 | kergoth | stupid automatic outlook grammar checker |
| 15:10.35 | kergoth | dont fucking underline my shit with red just cause its not a sentence goddamnit |
| 15:10.36 | mewyn | stupid outlook |
| 15:10.40 | mewyn | evolution better |
| 15:11.11 | kergoth | mewyn: need the calander shit interacting w/ exchange, otherwise i'd use evo |
| 15:11.31 | bach | kergoth: sashz just wrote me that he managed to get qtopia working in oz, but opera is not working. Do u know if opera is working in OZ right now? |
| 15:11.32 | treke | kergoth: use evolution |
| 15:11.32 | mewyn | i thought with the evo plugin it does calander |
| 15:11.35 | treke | kergoth: :p |
| 15:11.50 | kergoth | bach: no idea |
| 15:11.51 | treke | they are a bunch of ass muppets, but their software works |
| 15:12.17 | kergoth | bach: all 3 pdas i have here are paperweights. i have no idea |
| 15:12.20 | kergoth | i should flash them with something useful |
| 15:12.38 | bach | did anyone here try to run opera? |
| 15:12.40 | bach | kergoth: :-) |
| 15:13.33 | djr | i had opera working fine... but then i broke a png lib somewhere and now opera doesnt load pngs |
| 15:13.44 | djr | but i like konqeuror more anyway |
| 15:14.11 | bach | djr: that is on OZ right? what version of opera and OZ? |
| 15:14.32 | djr | i dunno the version of opera... theres no about box or version number listed... its the one from the latest sharp rom |
| 15:14.38 | djr | and the oz version is like 3.3.1 or something |
| 15:14.53 | bach | thanks |
| 15:16.06 | ljp_laptop | odd. make from buildroot in qtopia leads to odd error, make from the qtopia dir does not.. hmppft |
| 15:16.34 | treke | wgat error? |
| 15:18.38 | ljp_laptop | compile error |
| 15:18.48 | treke | what compile error |
| 15:19.06 | ljp_laptop | bad relocations |
| 15:22.05 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: could be something with that toolchain. the 2.95.4 appears to exhibit odd compile failures on certain applications like konq and php as well |
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| 15:23.38 | ljp_laptop | this one was compiling gsmlib in qtopia |
| 15:25.42 | ljp_laptop | only fails when I run make in buildroot, not when I cd to qtopia and run make |
| 15:25.49 | kergoth | using the same toolchain? |
| 15:25.50 | kergoth | weird |
| 15:25.56 | kergoth | maybe its one of the options we're passing in |
| 15:26.00 | kergoth | optimizations perhaps |
| 15:27.37 | ljp_laptop | hmm, and this kernel want to use gcc, not arm-linux-gcc. somethings broked here |
| 15:28.01 | masticator_ | setting up the new Itanium2 for you guys now |
| 15:28.08 | masticator_ | boy does that fucker install linux SLOW |
| 15:30.26 | masticator_ | HP is supposed to be sending me Madison chips in a week or two |
| 15:30.35 | masticator_ | right now its got dual 900mhz I2 |
| 15:30.40 | masticator_ | with 3mb cache on each chip |
| 15:31.36 | noidd | bah |
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| 15:32.44 | ljp_laptop | drw ever make it down to dallas? |
| 15:33.08 | masticator_ | loading SusE on this thing now |
| 15:33.12 | masticator_ | it had RHAS 2.0 |
| 15:33.16 | masticator_ | was outdated as all hell |
| 15:34.23 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: good question |
| 15:34.49 | _PsyJob | ChatZilla is quite rusty |
| 15:34.55 | _PsyJob | Not sure how to quit a channel ;) |
| 15:35.14 | noidd | kill the process ;-) |
| 15:35.28 | _PsyJob | WindowsXp ! |
| 15:35.44 | _PsyJob | Im at work too ! |
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| 15:40.03 | apache444 | treke: you there? Got a question about a wireless card on my Ipaq which I can't seem to get working... I'm using your feed. |
| 15:41.44 | ljp_laptop | maybe drw doesnt start till the 1st |
| 15:41.49 | kergoth | you know, when you havent had a mt dew in a long time |
| 15:41.51 | kergoth | and then you have one |
| 15:41.57 | kergoth | it really hits the spot |
| 15:42.46 | apache444 | "It's VERY refreshing!" |
| 15:42.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:43.07 | apache444 | I forgot to add "-- Kramer". |
| 15:43.32 | treke | apache444: which card |
| 15:43.41 | apache444 | Linksys WCF11 |
| 15:43.50 | ljp_laptop | ewww I dont drink mt dew |
| 15:43.59 | apache444 | I have a message from my console which my shed some light |
| 15:44.01 | treke | that card works fine in my feed/images |
| 15:44.17 | apache444 | Sorry, WCF12 |
| 15:44.21 | treke | that card doesbt |
| 15:44.25 | apache444 | Ah ha. |
| 15:44.28 | apache444 | Damn. |
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| 15:44.43 | apache444 | This card works on Noda's Zaurus. |
| 15:44.53 | masticator_ | wcf12 |
| 15:44.54 | treke | but it doesnt work on ipaq |
| 15:45.10 | masticator_ | I think we had to do something special to make that work on a Zaurus |
| 15:45.13 | apache444 | OK... is there something I can do to make it work? is it a driver issue or a tweak? |
| 15:45.16 | Thelonius | yet another eBay success! |
| 15:45.18 | treke | apache444: No clue |
| 15:45.25 | treke | apache444: If you figure it out, let me know |
| 15:45.32 | masticator_ | as I recall it was some kind of driver issue |
| 15:45.36 | apache444 | masticator_: Do you have an idea what you had to do to make it work on Zaurus? |
| 15:45.38 | masticator_ | some configuration thingy too |
| 15:45.40 | ljp_laptop | hmm, now I cant even make kernel |
| 15:45.53 | apache444 | Noda's SMC2462W doesn't work on my Ipaq either. |
| 15:45.56 | treke | masticator_: The driver loads, it just doesnt associate with an access point |
| 15:46.04 | masticator_ | thats weird |
| 15:46.13 | masticator_ | this is using OE for Ipaq? |
| 15:46.15 | treke | yup |
| 15:46.18 | apache444 | Yeah OE for Ipaq |
| 15:46.19 | treke | same with familiar |
| 15:46.28 | apache444 | Error is "cardmgr[378]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 15:46.36 | treke | apache444: Not seen that one |
| 15:46.39 | apache444 | it finds the card, starts up hostap_cs and then dies with that. |
| 15:46.42 | masticator_ | for the most part OE for IPAQ is fairly close in software revision to OZ 3.2 right |
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| 15:46.47 | masticator_ | or is it even more bleeding edge |
| 15:46.55 | apache444 | with both the SMC and the Linksys |
| 15:47.06 | treke | masticator_: Much newer |
| 15:47.10 | apache444 | maybe I have something running that I need to kill? |
| 15:47.53 | treke | masticator_: other than the kernel and some config files it's identical to a build on the same day of openzaurus |
| 15:47.54 | ljp_laptop | there is no bleeding edge. bleeding edge implies that there is a stable release of some sort |
| 15:48.06 | treke | ljp_laptop: There are stable releases |
| 15:48.17 | treke | ljp_laptop: Openzaurus 3.2 |
| 15:48.26 | kergoth | and they're even fairly stable! 3.2 was solid minus busybox mknod and a couple opie bugs |
| 15:48.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:48.47 | treke | apache444: You can try the new images I built. It seems to do "better" with the wcf12 |
| 15:48.49 | apache444 | Hmmm... so what could this be? It sounds like it's only my problem... |
| 15:48.55 | treke | apache444: The card is still a paperweight |
| 15:49.02 | apache444 | Are they on your feed? |
| 15:49.08 | treke | other than that. I dont have a clue what the problem is |
| 15:49.14 | apache444 | Should the SMC2462W also be a paperweight? |
| 15:49.20 | treke | hmmm. I dont think I updated it |
| 15:49.28 | treke | apache444: I dont know what the SMC2462W is |
| 15:50.04 | apache444 | Well, the SMC2462W is a Prism2 and it works right away on Noda's Zaurus... but maybe it's not supposed to work on Ipaq. |
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| 15:51.02 | treke | All I know about is the hardware I own |
| 15:51.10 | treke | and things testers tell me |
| 15:51.12 | apache444 | Which wireless card do you have? |
| 15:51.17 | treke | a WCF12 |
| 15:51.30 | apache444 | Oh, and you haven't gotten it working on your Ipaq... gotcha. |
| 15:52.07 | apache444 | treke: I guess you have a Zaurus as well? |
| 15:52.13 | treke | no |
| 15:52.32 | apache444 | Oh, ok. |
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| 15:55.32 | mickeyl | kergoth: any idea why make oldconfig trashes the .config? e.g. it overrides with the default values |
| 15:55.43 | mickeyl | kergoth: you can see this in build/opie |
| 15:55.55 | treke | apache444: I'd be all to happy to make the wcf12 work :p |
| 15:55.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: i copy a defconfig in it, i do make oldconfig and the .config is totally off |
| 15:56.21 | apache444 | Well, I'm gonna try some stuff. Thing is, I don't think we're getting the same error message. |
| 15:56.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: not sure, I'm having the same problem with OZ buildroot, except that even a menuconfig loses my config values |
| 15:57.44 | apache444 | Well, if you ever get a chance to let me know, that would be nice... I want to make sure something else isn't wrong before I try stuff. |
| 15:58.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok - seems to be a bug in the new lkconf then? |
| 15:58.12 | treke | apache444: It's really annoying having a 70 dollar paperweight |
| 15:58.21 | treke | apache444: The strange thing is it actually has worked |
| 15:58.32 | treke | apache444: So it isn't a hardware incompatibility |
| 15:58.39 | apache444 | It's driver/config then? |
| 15:58.51 | treke | Or hh.o kernel |
| 15:59.14 | treke | It's something in software, somewhere |
| 15:59.14 | apache444 | Yikes, don't know what that is. :) Maybe noda can shed some light. |
| 15:59.30 | treke | It was working the day I bought it |
| 15:59.44 | treke | which is why I didnt just return the piece of crap ;p |
| 15:59.57 | apache444 | I think it's a good card. I got good signal when my Ipaq was running Windows. |
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| 16:00.15 | treke | the wcf11 was a good card |
| 16:00.24 | apache444 | And the fact that the SMC doesn't work either and works great in Noda's is an indication. And I think I had the SMC running before I switched back to Windows. |
| 16:00.27 | treke | apache444: my general opinion of linksys wireless isn't to hot |
| 16:00.30 | ljp_laptop | do these people really think I need viagra? |
| 16:00.43 | treke | ljp_laptop: If they do, they are very mistaken |
| 16:00.49 | treke | ljp_laptop: You'd need a woman first |
| 16:01.23 | ljp_laptop | ha ha ha |
| 16:04.10 | bach | since we are thinking about wireless card, does anyone know if this card works fine: D-Link - DCF-660W ? |
| 16:04.30 | bach | $59.99 - 30$ rebate |
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| 16:07.35 | treke | my biggest problem with most consumer wireless cards is that they swap hardware so much |
| 16:07.56 | treke | one version has chipset x in it. the next has chipset y. But they both have the same model number |
| 16:08.19 | ljp_laptop | dlink works out of the box fine. on my laptop also |
| 16:09.03 | ljp_laptop | I just bought mine a few weeks ago |
| 16:10.05 | bach | ljp_laptop: which one/how much? |
| 16:10.20 | treke | dlink did the same thing, so check around |
| 16:10.49 | bach | check around? |
| 16:10.56 | treke | bach: yes |
| 16:11.23 | treke | Make sure that whichever card you get hasnt had it's chipset changed. |
| 16:11.26 | bach | anyway would this card allow me to use wireless only at home on a private lan and in something like a sturbuck, or somethign more wide? |
| 16:11.42 | ljp_laptop | sure |
| 16:11.43 | bach | treke: how to check that? where do i find the list of the good chipsets? |
| 16:12.08 | treke | bach: google is a good place to start. And buy the card from some place you can return |
| 16:12.11 | treke | it |
| 16:12.58 | bach | ok... but when i test it, how to make sure it works? (i don't have anything wireless at home) |
| 16:13.26 | ljp_laptop | I dont think that the cf card would change chips as much as pc cards do |
| 16:13.49 | ljp_laptop | do lsmod after you stick it in |
| 16:14.28 | ljp_laptop | or when you try to configure a network, if it says there's no card |
| 16:15.00 | bach | okie thanks |
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| 16:30.03 | ljp_laptop | its hot outside |
| 16:30.07 | ljp_laptop | need to paint this lappie white |
| 16:30.09 | apache444 | crazy hot |
| 16:33.33 | kergoth | grr |
| 16:33.59 | kergoth | scanline: you know any way to track failures inside of an exec()'d code block? |
| 16:34.20 | kergoth | scanline: the traceback doesnt seem to filter into those blocks of code, makes debugging a bitch |
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| 16:55.00 | TMM1 | ibot seen noda |
| 16:55.05 | | noda <~noda@modemcable063.97-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 19h 6m 25s ago, saying: 'Hehehe'. |
| 16:58.00 | kergoth | hey TMM1 |
| 16:58.43 | TMM1 | hey |
| 16:58.49 | TMM1 | this new laptop is so damn sexy |
| 16:59.20 | Thelonius | oh yeah |
| 16:59.27 | Thelonius | is that your chembook? |
| 16:59.33 | TMM1 | yep |
| 17:00.22 | Thelonius | digicam it for us ;) |
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| 17:05.45 | TMM1 | whats a good cd burner for linux |
| 17:06.05 | treke | cdrecord |
| 17:07.38 | Neo|Work | or cdrdao |
| 17:07.44 | Neo|Work | depending on what you want to burn |
| 17:08.13 | TMM1 | ok |
| 17:08.21 | yeiazel | gcombust :) |
| 17:08.24 | TMM1 | i built ide-scsi and all |
| 17:08.34 | ljp_laptop | funny how the free embedix sdk doesnt have pthread |
| 17:09.36 | ljp_laptop | I dont like burning my cd's, I like putting them in the microwave |
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| 17:11.31 | TMM1 | *mutter* |
| 17:13.07 | TMM1 | i *could* use the linux packet code for cdrw |
| 17:13.21 | TMM1 | already have the patched kernel.. but its superprebeta |
| 17:14.47 | ljp_laptop | alpha |
| 17:15.51 | Neo|Work | nah |
| 17:15.59 | Neo|Work | if it's superprebeta it must mean prealpha :-)) |
| 17:16.24 | ljp_laptop | gama |
| 17:20.11 | TMM1 | its so awsome to be able to use mplayer in console to watch movies via fbdev |
| 17:21.03 | scanline | kergoth: I thought that tracebacks did work inside exec()'ed code.. but I don't remember anything specific about it because I've never had any problems with it |
| 17:21.09 | TMM1 | ibot botmail for noda you were saying i can use gnome2/nautilus to burn cdrw and change resolutions and such, how? |
| 17:21.13 | scanline | kergoth: SCons does a lot of exec()'ing and exceptions seem to work fine |
| 17:22.06 | kergoth | hmmm, must be something i'm doing wrong |
| 17:22.25 | scanline | er... I guess it's exec not exec() since it's not a function :) |
| 17:23.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:23.40 | scanline | exec is a statement not a function last time I checked |
| 17:25.31 | scanline | yep.. section 6.14 in the language spec |
| 17:27.32 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 17:32.53 | kergoth | ah, gotcah |
| 17:32.55 | kergoth | gotcha rather |
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| 17:40.58 | kergoth | finally, package, package_tarball, and package_ipkg are up to par again |
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| 17:56.05 | TMM1 | yay |
| 17:56.07 | TMM1 | eroaster works |
| 17:56.09 | TMM1 | anyone know how i get that cool preview window type thing in xchat |
| 17:56.11 | TMM1 | that shows whats going on in all channels |
| 17:57.37 | TMM1 | blah, i need to get gnome to understand fluxbox type keycombos |
| 17:57.40 | TMM1 | they're etched into my brain |
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| 18:24.01 | Thelonius | hmm.. anyone know how to calculate available wattage from a psu? |
| 18:24.14 | Thelonius | ie 19x, 3.16a would equal XXX watts? |
| 18:25.56 | TMM1 | psu? |
| 18:26.12 | TMM1 | whats 19x |
| 18:26.31 | treke | TMM1: the product of 19 and some number x |
| 18:28.25 | TMM1 | kergoth: i used auto-apt with mplayer yesterday, its amazing! |
| 18:33.12 | Thelonius | 19v |
| 18:33.19 | Thelonius | sorry, typo |
| 18:33.26 | Thelonius | 19volts, 3.16 amps |
| 18:33.34 | TMM1 | ah |
| 18:33.39 | TMM1 | p = iv |
| 18:33.50 | TMM1 | power ( watts ) = i (amps) x v (volts) |
| 18:33.56 | TMM1 | so just multiply them two numbers |
| 18:34.47 | treke | ~kill TMM1 |
| 18:34.49 | | ACTION executes killall -9 TMM1 |
| 18:34.55 | treke | ~shoot TMM1 |
| 18:34.56 | | ACTION shoots TMM1 in the head. |
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| 18:36.11 | TMM1 | wha? |
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| 18:37.11 | Thelonius | TMM1, thought so |
| 18:38.08 | Thelonius | is it safe to assume that aslong as my psu supplies more watts than the device requires, then i should be good in terms of power |
| 18:38.12 | Thelonius | ? |
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| 18:38.50 | TMM1 | yea |
| 18:38.57 | TMM1 | it'll take as much current as it needs |
| 18:39.02 | TMM1 | as long as theres enough |
| 18:40.03 | Thelonius | solid |
| 18:40.22 | Thelonius | 24 minutes left on my latest auction... |
| 18:46.19 | andersee | Thelonius: which auction (so I can snipe and win)? |
| 18:46.41 | andersee | ;-) |
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| 18:50.09 | Thelonius | hahahah |
| 18:50.14 | Thelonius | i am sniping right now... |
| 18:50.34 | Thelonius | cxxxx PDA ;) |
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| 18:57.18 | Neo|Work | hrm, why isnt' ccache working correctly.. |
| 19:01.08 | Neo|Work | it leaves temporary files but doesn't seem to update the stats or anything |
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| 19:03.53 | Neo|Work | ok, so it looks like it IS working but not updating the cahd |
| 19:11.54 | ljp_laptop | too hot out |
| 19:14.44 | kergoth | TMM1: yes, auto-apt rocks. you can also use it just for simply searching the files of things. auto-apt update; auto-apt search /bin/bash.. or you can do the builds within its env. quite cool. |
| 19:15.16 | ljp_laptop | auto-apt swimming pool |
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| 19:27.48 | TMM1 | wow |
| 19:27.52 | TMM1 | vmware4 is shweet |
| 19:29.10 | andersee | TMM1: how so different from vmware 3.2.0? |
| 19:30.43 | kergoth | NOTE: package metadata/backpack-1.0_cvs-r0: build started |
| 19:30.43 | kergoth | NOTE: package metadata/backpack-1.0_cvs-r0: build succeeded |
| 19:30.43 | kergoth | NOTE: build 200306271428 completed |
| 19:30.45 | kergoth | heh! |
| 19:30.51 | kergoth | date/time stamped build runs. fun. |
| 19:31.19 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: did you upload the kernel yet? |
| 19:31.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: nice! |
| 19:32.54 | kergoth | mickeyl: adding a build completion evfent handler that copies the tarballs, ipks, logs, etc from a given build run out to a useful place |
| 19:32.58 | kergoth | TI needed that capability |
| 19:33.59 | mickeyl | kergoth: good stuff... while you're deep in the new buildsystem, we at least should fix the old one to get a usable state ;) any idea 'bout that make oldconfig problem? |
| 19:34.00 | cmartin | mickeyl: just answering a message in the forum about ttf fonts in qpdf. Where should i tell the person turn for this qt/e issue? |
| 19:34.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: no idea.. maybe its a bug in the new lkc? |
| 19:34.22 | mickeyl | cmartin: opie@handhelds.org |
| 19:34.30 | cmartin | k |
| 19:34.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: maybe. how can i check? |
| 19:34.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: when did you upgrade? |
| 19:35.34 | kergoth | quite a while ago |
| 19:35.36 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 19:35.41 | kergoth | 1-2 weeks? |
| 19:36.25 | mickeyl | k |
| 19:37.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: have you built an image from BRANCH for the simpad? |
| 19:38.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: mine doesn't calibrate on first boot - it seems the launcher isn't started at all |
| 19:38.48 | mickeyl | cmartin: can't build an image right now - we have severe problems with make oldconfig in the buildroot |
| 19:38.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: check for the existance of /etc/pointercal |
| 19:39.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: it' not there |
| 19:40.01 | mickeyl | cmartin: no surprise - the .config is totally off because of that make oldconfig bug |
| 19:40.36 | kergoth | its not just oldconfig |
| 19:40.39 | kergoth | menuconfig fucks up too |
| 19:40.43 | cmartin | what a coinsidence |
| 19:41.02 | mickeyl | k |
| 19:41.31 | kergoth | its like it isnt loading .config at all |
| 19:41.37 | kergoth | it writes it, but doesnt read it |
| 19:41.41 | kergoth | i'll look into it |
| 19:41.48 | mickeyl | thanks! |
| 19:41.51 | kergoth | I patched it to maek it stop loading the config form /boot |
| 19:41.58 | kergoth | remember, it used to read /boot/config-kernelver? |
| 19:42.06 | kergoth | maybe that patch hosed loading CWD/.config too |
| 19:42.08 | mickeyl | yes |
| 19:42.11 | mickeyl | aah could be |
| 19:43.50 | cmartin | mickeyl: is this the reason why opie-opiealarm doesn't build too? |
| 19:45.19 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes |
| 19:45.34 | mickeyl | that's how i found out that we have a problem, anyway |
| 19:45.34 | kergoth | yep, opie suffers from teh same bug |
| 19:45.51 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 19:46.49 | ljp_laptop | bbl - party weekend... |
| 19:48.19 | mickeyl | damn... menuconfig grew a bit since i last compiled an own kernel (2.4.8 or so...) |
| 19:48.25 | mickeyl | pfff... lots of options |
| 19:48.42 | cmartin | nice, ne |
| 19:48.54 | kergoth | menuconfig rocks |
| 19:48.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:51.12 | kergoth | ya gotta love an Xm radio station entitled "SquiZZ" |
| 19:53.41 | TMM1 | i wonder if i can install to hda3 from inside vmware |
| 19:53.52 | TMM1 | don't particularly feel like rebooting and sitting through an xp install |
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| 19:57.23 | masticator | this is frickin weird |
| 19:57.40 | masticator | this new Itanium server is showing REALLY show screen refreshes with VNC |
| 19:57.55 | masticator | and it is talking on teh same switchport my previous server was |
| 19:57.57 | kergoth | s/show/slow/? |
| 19:58.02 | masticator | slow |
| 19:58.07 | masticator | cant figure out why |
| 19:59.07 | masticator | is there a way to benchmark the ethernet connection? |
| 19:59.17 | masticator | like tell how the driver is talking to the switch? |
| 20:00.01 | pb_ | miitool can tell you what port settings it negotiated with the switch, like duplex and bitrate. |
| 20:00.43 | masticator | miitool? |
| 20:00.48 | pb_ | yep, miitool |
| 20:00.58 | masticator | dont think it comes with suse |
| 20:01.01 | pb_ | oh, actually no, mii-tool |
| 20:01.07 | pb_ | it's part of net-tools |
| 20:01.22 | masticator | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 20:02.13 | pb_ | well, that looks ok |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.25 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.27 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.18 | TMM1 | damned ati radeon drivers |
| 20:08.07 | kergoth | lets see, time to add qt/e 2.3.6 and qtopia 1.6.1 .oe files |
| 20:08.21 | masticator | now that is weird. |
| 20:08.30 | masticator | I forced VNC into 16 bit mode and its flying. |
| 20:08.36 | masticator | in regular default mode it creeps |
| 20:08.38 | masticator | hmm |
| 20:08.59 | masticator | could it be KDE running on top of it in 16 bit is faster than running in 8 bit? |
| 20:09.49 | treke | mickeyl: Probably a better encoding |
| 20:09.58 | treke | s/mickeyl/masticator |
| 20:11.10 | masticator | could also have something to do with the vnc implementation on itanium |
| 20:11.12 | masticator | it could suck |
| 20:11.27 | treke | its probably the same one as on anything else |
| 20:11.30 | masticator | I wonder if the one I have is even native |
| 20:11.57 | treke | vnc is a rather lightweight app |
| 20:16.56 | TMM1 | masticator: so you got the itanium eh |
| 20:20.19 | masticator | yeah not sure if I like it or not |
| 20:20.26 | masticator | I think I want my opteron back! |
| 20:20.37 | masticator | guess I will live with this for a month |
| 20:20.54 | masticator | AMD is supposed to get me a faster opteron in august |
| 20:23.13 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:23.18 | kergoth | i liked the opteron |
| 20:24.15 | TMM1 | awesome |
| 20:25.51 | masticator | hmm maybe it was my tightvnc client for windows |
| 20:26.02 | masticator | cause realvnc for windows seems a lot faster |
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| 20:26.38 | masticator | yeah it was the fuckin client |
| 20:26.43 | masticator | goddamn it |
| 20:27.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.09 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:30.11 | ociocio | anyone know how to save files in links? |
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| 20:32.14 | masticator | cool, segfaults when I run YAST2 now |
| 20:40.22 | masticator | how the hell do you set a cvsroot variable in linux? |
| 20:40.30 | masticator | I'm trying friggin grab mozilla cvs |
| 20:41.00 | masticator | setenv CVSROOT :pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot |
| 20:41.08 | masticator | why the fuck doesnt that work in linux |
| 20:41.23 | kergoth | wrong shell? |
| 20:41.35 | kergoth | CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot |
| 20:41.37 | kergoth | export CVSROOT |
| 20:41.57 | treke | masticator: export |
| 20:42.20 | treke | masticator: setenv works just fine if you are using a csh-like shell |
| 20:43.03 | masticator | ack |
| 20:43.11 | masticator | yeah I am using whatever suse uses |
| 20:43.13 | masticator | bash |
| 20:43.20 | masticator | sh whatever |
| 20:48.14 | masticator | donotcall.gov is friggin slashdotted |
| 20:48.58 | kergoth | fuck |
| 20:48.59 | kergoth | grr |
| 20:49.01 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 20:49.09 | pb_ | ! |
| 20:49.45 | kergoth | realized my implementation of something didnt take something into account, so now have to hack something horrendous or rearchitect it |
| 20:49.48 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 20:49.55 | treke | ouch |
| 20:49.57 | pb_ | ah, sucks |
| 20:51.37 | treke | how big of a reachitecture? |
| 20:52.42 | kergoth | analyzing it now |
| 20:53.04 | treke | sometimes it ends up not being as bad as you first suspect |
| 20:53.06 | kergoth | its isolated to the event handling core in OE, so at absolute worst i'd only be reachitecting the event handling |
| 20:53.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:00.10 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 21:00.28 | kergoth | turns out the system was sufficiently flexible it can do something I didnt think would be possible |
| 21:00.33 | kergoth | and thereby solve the problem |
| 21:00.42 | treke | kergoth: :) |
| 21:03.51 | masticator | I cant beleive the default suse itanium install includes no developer tools |
| 21:04.08 | treke | I can. |
| 21:04.12 | masticator | have to install gcc after the fact |
| 21:04.15 | masticator | fuckin stupid |
| 21:04.17 | treke | redhat 7.3 is the same way |
| 21:04.33 | kergoth | fucking sweet. it works |
| 21:05.04 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.06 | masticator | these itaniums have weird ass bioses |
| 21:05.10 | kergoth | and is populated with information about that build |
| 21:05.11 | masticator | its not even a bios |
| 21:05.11 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:05.19 | masticator | its like some wacked out boot menu thing |
| 21:05.21 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:05.50 | treke | sounds like an alpha |
| 21:08.01 | pb_ | that's the EFI thing, right? |
| 21:08.19 | kergoth | hmm, wonder how to gather the logs from this build run, currently they're stamped with the process id, but thats less than useful. maybe i'll just swipe all the logs from that particular oedir.. but that doesnt seem efficient either. hmmmm |
| 21:09.28 | kergoth | ah, i'll just stamp the log files for a given task with the BUILDNAME if its defined, thats easy enough |
| 21:11.00 | treke | pb_: EFI? |
| 21:11.07 | treke | pb_: I only used srm and AlphaBios |
| 21:11.12 | pb_ | treke: embedded firmware interface, I think. |
| 21:11.31 | pb_ | if I remember right, that's the boot monitor you get on ia64. |
| 21:11.34 | treke | ah |
| 21:11.37 | treke | on the ia6 |
| 21:16.01 | masticator | its the EFI thing yeah |
| 21:16.05 | masticator | its very similar to an alpha |
| 21:17.35 | masticator | werid, friggin .configure script says it cant find gtk on this box |
| 21:17.39 | masticator | and I know it does have it |
| 21:17.47 | treke | it probably isnt lookin in /opt |
| 21:18.02 | masticator | libgtk? |
| 21:18.10 | treke | the configure script |
| 21:18.21 | treke | those germans like /opt for some reason |
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| 21:19.53 | masticator | yeah |
| 21:19.55 | masticator | you be right |
| 21:20.41 | masticator | but |
| 21:20.51 | masticator | but libgtk isnt in there |
| 21:20.57 | masticator | but gnome and gnome2 is |
| 21:22.12 | masticator | this makes no sense |
| 21:22.18 | masticator | theres no lib64 on this thing |
| 21:22.20 | masticator | just /lib |
| 21:24.48 | pb_ | are the binaries in /lib 64-bit? |
| 21:25.06 | masticator | I'd assume so, or this friggin box wouldnt boot |
| 21:25.22 | pb_ | maybe you just don't have any 32-bit runtime installed then. |
| 21:25.46 | pb_ | ("file" will tell you which architecture a binary is for, incidentally) |
| 21:25.47 | masticator | its an itanium, why the fuck would I need one? |
| 21:26.09 | pb_ | well, if you don't want 32-bit runtime, why were you expecting /lib/lib64? |
| 21:26.31 | pb_ | the only reason for lib64 is if you want to parallel install the two userspace environments and stop them running into each other. |
| 21:27.56 | masticator | dependency hell |
| 21:28.16 | masticator | ok, yeah, that would explain why I had it on the opteron |
| 21:28.20 | masticator | that can run 32 bit shit |
| 21:29.10 | treke | can't the itanium run 32bit stuff also? |
| 21:29.14 | treke | just hideously slow |
| 21:30.35 | pb_ | yeah, that's what I thought also, but I'm not that well up on itanium. |
| 21:31.06 | pb_ | still, even if the hardware can do it, no reason why suse should ship the runtime as standard. |
| 21:31.14 | treke | yeah |
| 21:33.16 | masticator | I just wanna build mozilla damn it |
| 21:33.20 | masticator | hmm |
| 21:33.31 | masticator | maybe its on the cd |
| 21:33.37 | treke | suse should have it on cd |
| 21:36.55 | masticator | yeah but just my luck it will probably be ancient version |
| 21:39.03 | masticator | nope no mozilla |
| 21:43.18 | masticator | last IA64 build on moz.org was for 1.2 on HPUX |
| 21:43.20 | masticator | hell |
| 21:43.40 | masticator | I WANT MY OPTERON BACK! |
| 21:44.13 | TMM1 | lol |
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| 21:47.06 | treke | hehe |
| 21:47.10 | treke | liked the opteron? |
| 21:47.52 | treke | ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/rawhide/1.0/ia64/RedHat/RPMS/mozilla-1.4-10.ia64.rpm |
| 21:48.41 | masticator | yep |
| 21:48.43 | masticator | found that |
| 21:48.45 | masticator | downloading it |
| 21:48.56 | masticator | course its a redhat rpm |
| 21:49.00 | masticator | should work |
| 21:49.36 | treke | should work |
| 21:52.48 | kergoth | ~/oe/oe$ bk push |
| 21:52.49 | kergoth | Proxy could not open connnection to openembedded.bkbits.net: Server Error |
| 21:52.49 | kergoth | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:52.50 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 21:53.57 | masticator | wwwohoo. I found a native version of SETI |
| 21:54.06 | masticator | maybe I can find some aliens when this thing is doing nothing |
| 21:54.12 | masticator | which should be 90 percent of the time |
| 21:54.24 | treke | when does the opteron come back? |
| 21:58.47 | masticator | when I get a new one |
| 21:58.59 | masticator | I sent the 1U back, they are sending me a quad proc one later in the summer |
| 21:59.56 | masticator | I'm really gonna be pissed if I have to start building everything for this itanium |
| 22:01.21 | masticator | lol sco built the IA64 seti client |
| 22:01.34 | masticator | hey, maybe thats where all the linux code came frrom! |
| 22:01.55 | masticator | wait, maybe SCO was taken over by aliens after they were discovered |
| 22:01.59 | masticator | this would explain a lot |
| 22:13.13 | TMM1 | lol |
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| 22:22.08 | Neo|Work | kergoth: DSL?! |
| 22:25.48 | Neo|Work | masticator: as for no GTK - sure you have dev packages installed and crap like that? |
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| 22:56.11 | ociocio | im trying to get a keyboard working but the how-to im reading references /dev/microkbd/foldable which is not on the system even after installing the required ipks. any ideas how i would create these? |
| 22:56.31 | kergoth | this isnt the appropriate place for the question |
| 22:56.36 | treke | #handhelds.org |
| 22:57.04 | ociocio | ok |
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| 23:31.36 | TMM1 | whats the nick of the mplayer/xmms-e guy |
| 23:31.41 | TMM1 | ibot seen pnis |
| 23:31.44 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-0358.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 21d 47m 46s ago, saying: 'time to gofor me too - goodnight all'. |
| 23:31.52 | TMM1 | damn |
| 23:33.38 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot pnis |
| 23:39.16 | | hmm... pnis is an ingenious young man, respected by all mortals on earth |
| 23:39.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 23:39.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot xmms-e |
| 23:39.26 | | bugger all, i dunno, TheMasterMind1 |