| 00:05.48 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.handhelds.org |
| 00:06.24 | chouimat | fuck! montreal -> prague is expensive ... |
| 00:07.02 | joejoeMcgee | anytime you hop the pond it get expensive |
| 00:07.53 | chouimat | joejoeMcgee: I'm going to a travel agency tomorrow |
| 00:08.39 | joejoeMcgee | hmm, yeah sometimes they have good deals went from tucson to amsterdam for 300 last fall |
| 00:11.14 | chouimat | joejoeMcgee: exactly ... because 2000cad is a little expensive if I can get it for 1200cad that would be ok |
| 00:12.19 | joejoeMcgee | what is the usd->ca exchange rate right now, just currious? |
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| 00:13.01 | treke | sigar what is 1 CAD in USD |
| 00:13.05 | treke | sugar what is 1 CAD in USD |
| 00:13.08 | Sugar | 1 CAD is 0.729927 US$ |
| 00:13.13 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: what happened to the build |
| 00:13.16 | treke | TheMasterMind1: it built |
| 00:13.36 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: sweet. upload feed and image somewhere would ya |
| 00:13.45 | treke | k |
| 00:13.58 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:14.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i prolly shouldn't update ipkg |
| 00:14.11 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: do you have sf access? put it in experimenta/ |
| 00:14.13 | TheMasterMind1 | l/ |
| 00:14.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: wahts new |
| 00:14.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: working on teh new buildsystem |
| 00:14.32 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 00:14.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it can pull shit from cvs now |
| 00:14.44 | treke | TheMasterMind1: it's gonna take a while but it'll work. My dsl sucks ass |
| 00:14.50 | kergoth | the ipkg and ipkg-x86 .oe's start building, but fail due to my old ass autoconf on this box |
| 00:14.59 | kergoth | need to add more host build tools |
| 00:15.17 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: thanks. do you have a 5x50? |
| 00:15.28 | treke | no |
| 00:15.34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:15.56 | kergoth | next step is handling per package variable overrides, and FILES and ipk creation |
| 00:16.04 | kergoth | then we'll actually be able to build ipks with the new system |
| 00:16.09 | kergoth | *then* I'll start working on oemake |
| 00:16.37 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:16.47 | kergoth | its coming along, still a lot to be done though |
| 00:17.11 | kergoth | but you can already see all the cool shit it can do that the old one never came anywhere near |
| 00:17.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:17.38 | treke | does it do mirrors yet? :P |
| 00:18.02 | kergoth | nah |
| 00:18.13 | kergoth | doesnt do md5 checking for downloads or signature checking yet either |
| 00:18.21 | kergoth | but the system is extensible enough that adding it wont take much |
| 00:18.58 | TheMasterMind1 | wow, md5 checksums for downloads |
| 00:18.59 | TheMasterMind1 | theres an idea |
| 00:19.12 | kergoth | I already implemented a test case cvs autoupdater |
| 00:19.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ooooh |
| 00:19.20 | TheMasterMind1 | cvs autoupdated.. |
| 00:19.21 | TheMasterMind1 | yum |
| 00:19.29 | kergoth | you add 'inherit cvsupdate' to any .oe file, and it'll try to update prior to the next compile |
| 00:19.34 | kergoth | fucking smooth. |
| 00:19.37 | TheMasterMind1 | sexy |
| 00:19.51 | TheMasterMind1 | beh, this laptop is pissing me off |
| 00:19.58 | TheMasterMind1 | time to compile 21-rc7 with ck7 |
| 00:20.08 | treke | TheMasterMind1: did you get it to apply? |
| 00:20.10 | kergoth | ck7 applies to the 21 rcs? |
| 00:20.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:20.18 | treke | kergoth: there is a -21 patch |
| 00:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, theres a link to patches for -21rc7 |
| 00:20.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:20.24 | treke | but it conflicted in the vm |
| 00:20.32 | TheMasterMind1 | in the vm? |
| 00:20.38 | treke | yes |
| 00:20.43 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, did you use the mega patch? |
| 00:20.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i just did it the other day at school with all the broken up patches and it worked fine |
| 00:21.05 | TheMasterMind1 | grsecurity bootsplash and everything |
| 00:21.16 | treke | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 00:23.11 | treke | hrm. a bunch of stuff didnt build |
| 00:23.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, ogg theora |
| 00:25.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hahaha |
| 00:25.17 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.theora.org/ |
| 00:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | very familiar looking webdesign =) |
| 00:25.44 | TheMasterMind1 | from opensource webdesign.. i used that one for a school project site |
| 00:26.03 | treke | 6ah pkgconfig was disabled |
| 00:26.04 | treke | doh |
| 00:27.43 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 00:28.40 | treke | bleh pkg config doesnt build |
| 00:28.57 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 00:29.01 | TheMasterMind1 | stuff needs fixing |
| 00:29.02 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:29.15 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a buildroot that can fix itself |
| 00:29.33 | treke | we need a maintainer with no life |
| 00:29.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:29.42 | TheMasterMind1 | or that |
| 00:30.32 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: opensource webdesign? |
| 00:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: yea, oswd.org |
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| 00:30.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:31.11 | beattie | WTF I didn't mean to do that |
| 00:31.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh.. any suggestions on the best way to add mithro's compat stuff to the buildroot. basically need someway to build copies of qte/opie with gcc2 |
| 00:31.18 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: fix it |
| 00:31.22 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1: that's a pretty cool idea |
| 00:31.36 | beattie | TheMasterMind1: how I don't know how I did it |
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| 00:36.22 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 00:37.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: well, i'd say create new packages/blah dirs |
| 00:37.18 | fishy2 | what ipkg do I have to install to get opera onto openzaurus? |
| 00:37.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and have those Makefiles set GCCVER, and include the other makefiles |
| 00:37.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so that they share the same base code |
| 00:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, that makes sense |
| 00:37.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kthanks |
| 00:37.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kinda like how i did the cross-gcc stuff, with a base include.mk |
| 00:38.01 | kergoth | that way its not a nightmare to keep them in sync |
| 00:38.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:39.45 | fishy2 | ermm |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:40.28 | fishy2 | any answers to my question? |
| 00:40.38 | TheMasterMind1 | fishy2: um, the opera ipk? |
| 00:40.48 | treke | sounds like a good guess |
| 00:41.07 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for mithro has opie been changed yet so it looks for gcc2 compat libs if a proggie doesn't start? |
| 00:41.32 | fishy2 | TheMasterMind1: and where would that be? |
| 00:41.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i tried it, but never tested it |
| 00:42.01 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: how's Twiun's libfb/slideshow coming |
| 00:42.16 | treke | no idea |
| 00:42.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ok, i guess i'll test it |
| 00:42.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot botmail for bipolar update the unstable feeds please. affix has new version, mplayer builds, all the sdl packages were updated etc |
| 00:43.10 | fishy2 | opera does has been "ported" to OZ, right? |
| 00:43.15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: though, i don't see how trying and testing are different |
| 00:43.17 | treke | fishy2: no |
| 00:43.23 | fishy2 | heh |
| 00:43.23 | TheMasterMind1 | fishy2: search zsi. you have to create your own ipk |
| 00:43.24 | treke | fishy2: opera is a closed source ap |
| 00:43.37 | TheMasterMind1 | or get the one from the sharp 3.1 rom apps.zip |
| 00:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi |
| 00:43.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, videolan |
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| 00:44.39 | TheMasterMind1 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1123 <-- very nice |
| 00:44.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i added the code, just never tested it ;) |
| 00:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where does it look for the libs |
| 00:45.50 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/lib/compat or something? |
| 00:46.14 | kergoth | mithro's? not sure |
| 00:46.20 | kergoth | i was planning on something like that, yeah |
| 00:46.30 | kergoth | more like /usr/lib/gcc2/lib or something |
| 00:46.36 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: i coded tximage |
| 00:46.49 | kergoth | TeaX: nice, harlekin was wondering about it the other day |
| 00:46.54 | kergoth | TeaX: what formats does it support? |
| 00:47.08 | TeaX | kergoth: only jpeg |
| 00:47.19 | kergoth | hows it compare to mooview? |
| 00:47.46 | kergoth | you should add some other formats.. talk to Twiun[Zzzzz], who's been hacking on th e use of libpng lately.. |
| 00:47.48 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: good job, looks very nice |
| 00:47.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:48.27 | TeaX | it's fast like mooview |
| 00:48.41 | TeaX | i use jpeg pre-scaling |
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| 00:48.52 | TeaX | like in mooview |
| 00:49.02 | TheMasterMind1 | looks nicer than mooview |
| 00:49.09 | TeaX | TheMasterMind1: have you tried it? |
| 00:49.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i hated mooview's file open dialog |
| 00:49.23 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: no, just saw the screenshot :) |
| 00:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | you should add it to opie |
| 00:49.37 | Neo|Work | ok, how can you write a image viewer for Qtopia that only supports jpeg? that's braindead |
| 00:49.57 | Neo|Work | TeaX: no offense to you that is. :P |
| 00:50.07 | Neo|Work | TeaX: hint: Qtopia can out-of-the-box decode AT LEAST png and jpeg |
| 00:50.39 | Neo|Work | it probably has bmp, pnm and other stuff too but I don't know about that |
| 00:50.39 | TeaX | do you know if png support prescaling? |
| 00:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, that said, opie fails to use jpegs as backgrounds |
| 00:50.50 | TheMasterMind1 | or maybe it was pngs |
| 00:50.54 | treke | it was pngs |
| 00:50.56 | treke | its been fixed |
| 00:51.00 | Neo|Work | actually, that is a good question, I don't know. if it does I'm sure qtopia doesn't support it |
| 00:51.13 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: thats good |
| 00:51.25 | Neo|Work | I doubt it since there's no benefit to it in PNG in the way it's a benefit in jpeg |
| 00:51.50 | Neo|Work | since png is a lossless each-pixel-stored kind of format |
| 00:51.50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: the way qt/e loads images seems to be crap. |
| 00:51.58 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i believe thats why people avoided its use |
| 00:51.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:52.03 | Neo|Work | kergoth: actually, from my experience it works great |
| 00:52.11 | Neo|Work | what DOESN'T work great is converting to 16 bpp |
| 00:52.17 | kergoth | Neo|Work: even for say, images that are 8000x4000? |
| 00:52.19 | Neo|Work | that seems to be EXTREMELY slow |
| 00:52.25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i mean memory usage wrt large images |
| 00:52.26 | Neo|Work | kergoth: well, it uses libpng |
| 00:52.52 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup pubcvs.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 00:53.07 | Neo|Work | to load huge images you would need smarter loading |
| 00:53.21 | Neo|Work | that said, being able to load "normal" png images for "free" so to speak isn't shabby |
| 00:53.49 | Neo|Work | kergoth: to load such a huge image you'd have to load and scale in a "streaming" manner |
| 00:53.52 | beattie | No such file `ncurses_5.3.20021109.orig.tar.gz'. phooey |
| 00:54.02 | kergoth | beattie: your tree is old |
| 00:54.31 | beattie | I just did bk pull;bk -r co |
| 00:54.38 | kergoth | well i fixed that last week. |
| 00:55.03 | kergoth | it pulls 20030510 as things stand today. |
| 00:55.07 | kergoth | not 20021109 |
| 00:55.34 | beattie | make mrproper ? |
| 00:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ncurses mrproper |
| 00:57.13 | treke | kergoth: can the new buildroot deal with building multiple copies of the same app with different configs from one make file? |
| 00:57.41 | beattie | did it globaly |
| 00:58.04 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup xiph.org |
| 00:59.39 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: what're you trying to do |
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| 01:00.05 | treke | TheMasterMind1: a nicer way of dealing with packages that are compiled more than one way |
| 01:00.25 | treke | TheMasterMind1: like sdl, scummvm, and xmms |
| 01:00.34 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:00.55 | kergoth | treke: well, it will be able to, yes. it loads conf/auto.conf at build time |
| 01:01.12 | fishy2 | whats the SCP command to upload a file to a remote location |
| 01:01.18 | kergoth | treke: you'd just have to figure out how to reflect that a given package depends on being built w/ differing configuration |
| 01:01.23 | kergoth | treke: not sure how we'd implement. |
| 01:01.29 | TheMasterMind1 | fishy2: man scp |
| 01:02.09 | chouimat | kergoth: do you experience some freeze with the ck kernel? |
| 01:02.19 | kergoth | tim gave me a little tool to do the pserver checkouts via the http proxy |
| 01:02.33 | kergoth | so i'm doing a make sources with everything enabled so i can do a build when i get home |
| 01:02.36 | fishy2 | TheMasterMind1: unfortuanly OZ dosent have man |
| 01:02.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:02.46 | kergoth | fishy2: google for linux man pages scp |
| 01:02.50 | fishy2 | ugh |
| 01:02.55 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:03.55 | fishy2 | nevermind |
| 01:04.44 | ljp_laptop | too bad kdevelop does not highlight qt words |
| 01:04.50 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net |
| 01:05.07 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: we are working on this |
| 01:05.35 | ljp_laptop | tkc's studio editor does. |
| 01:05.44 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 01:06.16 | ljp_laptop | I think its amazing. I used kdevelop since .54 and it stilldoesnt highlight qt words |
| 01:07.17 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: posted your request to #kdevelop |
| 01:07.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: broken dns? |
| 01:07.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: our dns has to go through the http proxy too |
| 01:07.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but you cant do udp dns requests as they are through a tcp proxy CONNECT |
| 01:08.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: jesus |
| 01:08.06 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 01:08.08 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:08.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no internal dns server? |
| 01:08.23 | kergoth | sure there is, it just doesnt resolve anything external |
| 01:08.58 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.busybox.net |
| 01:09.31 | TheMasterMind1 | what a pain in the arse |
| 01:09.37 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 01:09.37 | fishy2 | howcome everytime I turn off my Z? wifi gets screwed up, and dosent reconnect when I turn it back on. |
| 01:10.01 | kergoth | fishy2: do you have wireless_* entries in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:11.13 | fishy2 | kergoth: YES |
| 01:11.19 | fishy2 | whoops caps |
| 01:11.31 | kergoth | fishy2: comment out all the lines in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 01:11.41 | kergoth | fishy2: then it'll obey those wireless_ entries |
| 01:11.51 | kergoth | make sure you're on the latest wireless-tools package |
| 01:12.00 | fishy2 | ok |
| 01:12.01 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.handhelds.org |
| 01:12.17 | kergoth | man, i'm going to write a gateway bot that interfaces between my buildroot and ibot for dns requests |
| 01:12.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:13.56 | chouimat | kergoth: lol |
| 01:14.16 | fishy2 | whats the command to eject/mount a card? |
| 01:14.30 | kergoth | er? |
| 01:14.33 | kergoth | eject != mount |
| 01:14.35 | kergoth | eject = eject |
| 01:14.42 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: you're using kdevelop with which editor? |
| 01:14.45 | fishy2 | well i mean eject then mount |
| 01:14.45 | kergoth | eject != umount as well, for pcmcia/cf |
| 01:14.58 | fishy2 | cardctl something |
| 01:15.01 | kergoth | cardctl eject |
| 01:15.04 | kergoth | cardctl insert |
| 01:15.43 | fishy2 | cardctl eject cf? |
| 01:15.50 | kergoth | no |
| 01:15.52 | kergoth | cardctl eject |
| 01:16.04 | kergoth | cardctl controls pcmcia/cf, thats what it does |
| 01:16.08 | fishy2 | aye |
| 01:16.11 | fishy2 | thanks :P |
| 01:16.15 | kergoth | np |
| 01:16.25 | ljp_laptop | embedded advanced text editor |
| 01:16.33 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 01:17.21 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.ffmpeg.sf.net |
| 01:17.47 | kergoth | god we have a lot of packages. |
| 01:18.10 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: then you just need to tweak the xml file |
| 01:18.42 | kergoth | hm, need to teach vim to syntax highlight .oe files |
| 01:18.44 | ljp_laptop | I dont want to tweak., it should come tweaked already ;) |
| 01:18.57 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: kdevelop |
| 01:19.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:19.07 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I will tweak it for you |
| 01:20.18 | ljp_laptop | ok |
| 01:23.28 | treke|home | screw kdevelop |
| 01:23.31 | treke|home | vim vim vim |
| 01:24.35 | chouimat | now who's talking about sex |
| 01:24.45 | ljp_laptop | I prefer emacs really |
| 01:26.29 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.xine.sf.net |
| 01:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: adding these to your /etc/hosts or what? |
| 01:26.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nah, worse, hacking each Sources |
| 01:26.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 01:27.00 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 01:28.59 | treke|home | vtun man. vtun |
| 01:29.05 | kergoth | mmm vtun |
| 01:29.10 | kergoth | i dont have a box to vtun into yet |
| 01:29.24 | ljp_laptop | use trekes |
| 01:29.45 | kergoth | shit that reminds me |
| 01:29.55 | kergoth | i forgot to call and order cable & broadband today |
| 01:29.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30.08 | kergoth | its gonna be weeks at this rate, due to my being a lazy ass |
| 01:32.09 | kergoth | on the plus side, its amazing how much coding i can get done at home when i dont go out, and with no IRC to distract me |
| 01:32.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 01:32.44 | treke|home | <kergoth> absolutly none |
| 01:32.49 | fishy2 | IRC always distracts me :/ |
| 01:33.19 | treke|home | when i get distracted I find something to do whether its irc, tv, reading, or cleaning |
| 01:33.46 | kergoth | irc qualifies as something to do? |
| 01:33.54 | fragglet | kind of |
| 01:33.57 | TheMasterMind1 | apparentlyso |
| 01:34.34 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 01:34.50 | ljp_laptop | I know people that consider it a waste |
| 01:35.44 | kergoth | irc is how i got in touch w/ Z people, which is how i ended up doing OZ, which is how i got out of tech support |
| 01:35.49 | kergoth | irc a waste, i think not! |
| 01:35.51 | kergoth | :D |
| 01:37.20 | fishy2 | well you still do tech support on irc ;) |
| 01:37.36 | kergoth | ~lart fishy2 |
| 01:37.39 | kergoth | dont remind me |
| 01:37.41 | ljp_laptop | I know. I like irc, it is distracting though. but very useful |
| 01:37.49 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yeah |
| 01:38.04 | cleverdra | ljp - how do those people communicate their considerances to you? Do they draw a mystical 'waste' line between electronically-facilitated (oops, that includes phones) communication and non-EF communication? |
| 01:38.50 | ljp_laptop | no. they are hard core audio/video codecs coders |
| 01:39.08 | chouimat | fuck! I forgot to call to say I'm moving the 24th |
| 01:39.26 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:39.54 | chouimat | and I didn't finish packing |
| 01:40.24 | fishy2 | kergoth: wifi resumes now :) it just takes ~10 seconds |
| 01:40.33 | kergoth | fishy2: k |
| 01:44.49 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.xmms-embedded.sf.net |
| 01:45.34 | ljp_laptop | what are you doing? |
| 01:45.51 | chouimat | arrrgggg air france website sucks ... they don't give the price just the schedule |
| 01:46.28 | ljp_laptop | its never a set price, it depends on who you are, where you go, when you go, and for how long you go for |
| 01:46.47 | kergoth | cvs -z0 -d:pserver:anonymous@66.35.250.207:/cvsroot/xmms-embedded/ co xmms-embedded |
| 01:46.50 | kergoth | cvs [checkout aborted]: recv() from server 66.35.250.207: EOF |
| 01:46.53 | kergoth | stupid sourceforge |
| 01:48.29 | fishy2 | wow my zaurus gets hot |
| 01:48.54 | cleverdra | fishy - I haven't noticed that. Odd. |
| 01:49.42 | fishy2 | are you sure? |
| 01:49.58 | fishy2 | i dont mean just warm |
| 01:49.59 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: they give no price at all |
| 01:50.04 | fishy2 | I mean HOT |
| 01:50.11 | fishy2 | backlight |
| 01:50.16 | fishy2 | and wifi card |
| 01:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: change the -z |
| 01:51.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, stupid thing |
| 01:51.41 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup mplayerhq.hu |
| 01:52.15 | kergoth | you know |
| 01:52.22 | kergoth | we never did pick a color scheme for the OE logso |
| 01:52.23 | kergoth | logos |
| 01:52.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:52.29 | kergoth | gotta do that |
| 01:53.10 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: here? |
| 01:53.21 | ljp_laptop | pick the purple one |
| 01:53.23 | kergoth | ibot: nslookup cvs.sf.net |
| 01:53.59 | kergoth | finally! got all the damn sources |
| 01:54.04 | kergoth | now i can go home and hack on things |
| 01:55.18 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: have fun |
| 01:55.37 | kergoth | you know, hte oz buildroot downloads 600 megs of shit |
| 01:55.41 | kergoth | thats nuts |
| 01:55.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to add .18 collie to the buildroot |
| 01:56.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the c700 tree supports collir |
| 01:56.06 | ljp_laptop | get a parabolic wifi antennea at work and point it at your place |
| 01:56.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: collie |
| 01:56.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: wha?? |
| 01:56.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: just edit packages/kernel-c700/stuff |
| 01:56.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, it always did. they just pushed their crap drivers forward |
| 01:56.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: really.. hmm. thats rather interesting |
| 01:56.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in fact, the uname -a version is identical |
| 01:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 01:56.34 | ljp_laptop | ya, oe is huge |
| 01:56.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i doubt they even did any changes |
| 01:56.43 | TheMasterMind1 | so i just need to build a c700 kernel.. and use it? |
| 01:56.48 | kergoth | well, change the defconfig |
| 01:56.51 | kergoth | collie, not corgi |
| 01:56.56 | kergoth | that sort of thing |
| 01:56.57 | kergoth | but yeah |
| 01:57.01 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 01:57.09 | kergoth | but its got all their worthless drivers |
| 01:57.12 | kergoth | we need to finish our tree |
| 01:57.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, we do |
| 01:57.31 | chouimat | kergoth: got a cube? |
| 01:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | can i do something like setup a new makefile, change vars in there, then include the c700 one |
| 01:57.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i left my Z serial cable in my damn cube in Digi |
| 01:57.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 01:58.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i gotta get a coworker to send it.. until i have it, i cant do a whole lot of kernel dev.. any oopses and i'm screwed :) |
| 01:58.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, but it doesn't oops that often now anyway |
| 01:58.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:58.28 | kergoth | in fact, it hasnt in a very long time |
| 01:58.32 | kergoth | theres one elusive pcmcia one |
| 01:58.36 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 01:58.36 | kergoth | thats hard as fuck to reproduce |
| 01:58.40 | kergoth | iirc |
| 01:58.42 | kergoth | but thats it |
| 01:58.42 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 01:58.48 | kergoth | maybe i'll hack on it some at home tonight |
| 01:58.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thing is, cant test ts |
| 01:59.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cause i cracked the ts digitizer on my 5500 |
| 01:59.20 | kergoth | i'll hack on the finishing touches for shit like the battery switch though |
| 02:01.40 | TheMasterMind1 | you cracked it?!!? |
| 02:01.41 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 02:01.54 | treke|home | hes cracked two touch screens |
| 02:02.45 | TheMasterMind1 | tsk tsk |
| 02:04.48 | fishy2 | under the package manager, root is ROM right? |
| 02:05.03 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:07.22 | fishy2 | hmm |
| 02:08.02 | fishy2 | pkgmanager complains about symlinks when I try to install packages onto ram. |
| 02:08.12 | fishy2 | anything I need to fix? |
| 02:08.23 | treke|home | #p[emzairis |
| 02:08.26 | treke|home | #openzaurus |
| 02:09.13 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: lets see if your collie build is done |
| 02:12.50 | icefox | weee |
| 02:12.55 | icefox | back from the mall |
| 02:12.57 | icefox | what hell |
| 02:14.40 | ljp_laptop | heheh malls are hell |
| 02:34.00 | chouimat|out | icefox: I managed to get a ticket for 1200cad |
| 02:34.12 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: built? |
| 02:34.56 | treke|home | still building |
| 02:35.01 | treke|home | it died looking for texinfo |
| 02:38.24 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: where ya going? |
| 02:45.40 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: maybe there : http://events.kde.org/info/kastle/ |
| 02:49.16 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: if I can get an affordable ticket |
| 02:50.05 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:51.02 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: the conference fee are good |
| 02:52.12 | ljp_laptop | good.. you can tell the kdevelop guys that it needs qt highlight words |
| 02:52.15 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 02:52.36 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I'm on it I will send you the patch tomorrow |
| 02:53.47 | ljp_laptop | ok |
| 02:57.21 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I'm looking at my cat and he give me an idea |
| 03:00.57 | ljp_laptop | hmm, to eat a bird? |
| 03:02.07 | chouimat | no sleep |
| 03:02.50 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: making progress? |
| 03:10.14 | treke|home | it has to be getting close |
| 03:10.31 | chouimat | treke|home: building what? |
| 03:11.30 | ljp_laptop | a pron bar |
| 03:11.51 | treke|home | ok. it seems to be done |
| 03:12.25 | chouimat | an opie porn fetcher??? |
| 03:13.58 | chouimat|shower | ljp_laptop: the book was useful? |
| 03:17.13 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: its uploading |
| 03:22.25 | chouimat|shower | ljp_laptop: accept dcc |
| 03:23.30 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: cool |
| 03:34.57 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ping |
| 03:36.53 | ljp_laptop | pong |
| 03:38.13 | ljp_laptop | my cat is debugging again |
| 03:47.57 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: ping |
| 03:51.07 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: sorry was outside |
| 03:51.39 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ping |
| 03:54.22 | ljp_laptop | outside? |
| 03:54.32 | ljp_laptop | isnt it snowing up there or something? |
| 03:54.44 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: not in june |
| 03:55.24 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: copy it to $KDEDIR/share/apps/katepart/syntax |
| 03:59.41 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: is it working? |
| 04:05.04 | ljp_laptop | it is if I use th qt designer based editor |
| 04:05.30 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: ok I will check that tomorrow |
| 04:05.40 | chouimat | huh? V is coming back?? |
| 04:07.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:18.19 | Thelonius | are there any pics of the latest build? |
| 05:18.44 | TMM1 | pics? |
| 05:18.49 | TMM1 | hmm, don't think so |
| 05:18.54 | TMM1 | check www.handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 05:19.06 | TMM1 | ibot treke |
| 05:19.07 | | treke is, like, Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net>, or a goon, or a goon with no life, and no neck |
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| 05:42.16 | Thelonius | ok |
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| 06:16.05 | Thelonius | TMM1, thanks, that is cool |
| 06:16.19 | Thelonius | has anyone gotten a good im going in openembedded? |
| 06:18.20 | schurig | Thelonius: what you mean? Using the toolkit from www.openembedded.org? |
| 06:22.44 | Thelonius | like gaim |
| 06:22.51 | Thelonius | or everybuddy |
| 06:23.24 | schurig | Ahh, you are not talking about openembedded, you're talking about chat clients on a PDA .. |
| 06:23.28 | schurig | right? |
| 06:23.49 | Thelonius | yeah |
| 06:24.07 | Thelonius | my bad |
| 06:24.19 | schurig | maybe you find something on killefiz. Or you have to code it by yourself, contributions to Opie are welcome |
| 06:24.33 | schurig | ibot: killefiz |
| 06:24.34 | | extra, extra, read all about it, killefiz is the guy running the zsi (zaurus software index) at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ you can email him: mailto:zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 06:26.01 | Thelonius | are there any good faqs/docs on the buildroot? |
| 06:26.19 | Thelonius | like can i build a complete cross compiling environment from scratch |
| 06:26.30 | schurig | Thelonius: start to get Bitkeeper |
| 06:26.33 | schurig | ibot: bk |
| 06:26.34 | | methinks bk is see bitkeeper or under a really crappy license |
| 06:26.42 | schurig | ibot: oz bk |
| 06:26.43 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 06:27.21 | schurig | Thelonius: then do download the buildroot as noted above (be sure to have lots of free space, that will later be needed at compile time) |
| 06:27.47 | schurig | Thelonius: then you will see a docs/ directory. |
| 06:28.02 | schurig | Thelonius: I also heard that stuff is documented inside the FAQ on www.openzaurus.org |
| 06:28.10 | Thelonius | k |
| 06:28.12 | schurig | Thelonius: hang around in the channel and ask question |
| 06:28.38 | schurig | Thelonius: btw, I found it easier to use a pre-compiled crosscompiler, I'm using gcc-2.95.3 from www.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 06:28.59 | schurig | Thelonius: compiling your own with the buildroot seems to work only on Debian (I have Mdk82) |
| 06:31.10 | Thelonius | ok |
| 06:31.39 | Thelonius | I had built a complete cross compiling enivronment before |
| 06:32.06 | Thelonius | what would i neeed to alter to integrate it with opie |
| 06:33.00 | Thelonius | so that I can just select an arch and go forth |
| 06:34.43 | schurig | ok, now you're talking about opie and not about openzaurus? |
| 06:35.00 | schurig | for opie, you just need to set the PATH correctly, assuming the crosscompiler is named arm-linux-gcc |
| 06:35.48 | schurig | and then set HOSTQTDIR=/where-libqt3.so is and do a "make xconfig". |
| 06:45.24 | Thelonius | ok, i may have it confused |
| 06:45.48 | Thelonius | ibot: oz |
| 06:45.48 | | i guess oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 06:45.53 | Thelonius | ibot: opie |
| 06:45.54 | | opie is probably the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 06:46.05 | andersee | ibot: 6*9? |
| 06:46.06 | | i heard 6*9 is 42 |
| 06:46.06 | Thelonius | what is the difference between oz and opie/ |
| 06:46.09 | Thelonius | hahah |
| 06:46.39 | Thelonius | 6 x 9 = 54 |
| 06:46.50 | Thelonius | unless i am not getting the joke... |
| 06:47.18 | andersee | Thelonius: Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy... |
| 06:49.18 | Thelonius | oh ok |
| 06:49.33 | Thelonius | but what is the difference between oz and opie? |
| 07:00.55 | schurig | Thelonius: OZ is a Linux distribution for PDAs from Sharp, IPAQ, M&N, Siemens etc |
| 07:01.11 | schurig | Thelonius: OZ consists of kernel, tools like "more" or a shell and opie |
| 07:01.38 | schurig | Thelonius: Opie is one of several graphical environments. It runs on top of OZ, but also on top of other distros (like Familiar, Intimate) |
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| 08:34.25 | schurig | anybody of you worked with dumpkmap / loadkmap from busybox? |
| 08:37.11 | Twiun | I've used it |
| 08:37.20 | schurig | Twiun: moin! |
| 08:37.24 | Twiun | hey schurig :) |
| 08:37.30 | schurig | Twiun: how do you create a keymap that you can load into the PDA? |
| 08:37.51 | schurig | Twiun: dumpkeys on my Mdk82 box creates some ascii file, dumpkmap from busybox creates some binary blob |
| 08:37.55 | Twiun | you'd be better off using the human-readable ones dumpkeymap and loadkeymap |
| 08:38.17 | Twiun | I've used the ones from hh successfully |
| 08:39.03 | schurig | Twiun: hmm, they are not in my busybox executable |
| 08:39.18 | Twiun | no, they're separate binaries |
| 08:39.25 | Twiun | bb only understands the binary format |
| 08:40.11 | Twiun | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=console-tools&id=3387320&official=&format= |
| 08:40.55 | schurig | Twiun: I'd rather add a package to OZ than to install some random ipk files (I know, it's more work, but it's cleaner. And I don't like to violate GPL when we sell Ramses, we have to give the source, too) |
| 08:42.19 | Twiun | oh, sorry - I thought you just needed a quick fix :) |
| 08:42.32 | Twiun | I'm sure there are sources for these tools |
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| 09:16.54 | mickeyl | moin |
| 09:17.01 | schurig | moin |
| 09:18.42 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 09:18.55 | mickeyl | hiho Twiun |
| 09:19.08 | mickeyl | getting further with that lib? |
| 09:19.28 | Twiun | yup, almost got the png loading figured out |
| 09:19.54 | mickeyl | great. |
| 09:19.56 | Twiun | I've got the decoded bitmap in memory, just need to figure out its exact encoding so I can dump it to the fb |
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| 09:20.44 | cmartin | hi |
| 09:21.12 | mickeyl | hi cmartin |
| 09:21.40 | mickeyl | cmartin: that touchscreen-on-restarting-opie-bug is killing me... i seem to have a workaround though |
| 09:22.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: after initial calibration do a "echo >> /etc/pointercal" which appends a line feed to that file. interestingly restarting opie works then - at least for me - please test for yourself |
| 09:23.38 | cmartin | k |
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| 09:24.55 | cmartin | mickeyl: yes that works |
| 09:25.32 | cmartin | thanx, for the tip about the missing bc - how did you find that out? |
| 09:26.52 | cmartin | does make image work for you? - when I run it your simpad-make-images script bails out with a syntax error in "find" |
| 09:27.19 | cmartin | if i manually set TOPDIR and OUTPUT_DIR I can run it manually without problems |
| 09:27.49 | cmartin | it seems the variables are not set within your script |
| 09:31.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: hehe, i had the same effect on my laptop and i inspected the output where i found "bc: command not found" :D |
| 09:31.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: i corrected that yesterday nite. bk pull |
| 09:32.48 | mickeyl | the variables are set, but find needs " |
| 09:34.27 | schurig | mickeyl: you could change the kernel build script to not use bc, but perl. |
| 09:34.38 | schurig | mickeyl: it's just used for some hex math |
| 09:35.18 | cmartin | bc is easily installed ;) |
| 09:35.31 | mickeyl | schurig: hehe, no - i won't touch that piece of code... did you take a look at it? sed is scaring me away |
| 09:35.45 | mickeyl | schurig: btw. - did my first successful use of patcher last weekend |
| 09:35.52 | mickeyl | schurig: pretty good work |
| 09:36.17 | schurig | mickeyl: I tried kergoth from continueing his shell script talents in buildroot-oe |
| 09:36.35 | mickeyl | schurig: good approach :)) |
| 09:36.38 | schurig | mickeyl: the file base.oeclass was already looking very kergothic |
| 09:36.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 09:38.33 | mickeyl | schurig: do you have _any_ clue what could cause the following behaviour: |
| 09:39.06 | mickeyl | schurig: rm /etc/pointercal; start opie and calibrate with it; restart opie and calibration is totally off |
| 09:39.36 | mickeyl | schurig: rm /etc/pointercal; calibrate with ts_calibrate; start opie; restart it as often as you like... no problem |
| 09:40.08 | mickeyl | additionally, i get sometimes "QSocketNotifier: Multiple reads for 5' ... I'm lost there |
| 09:40.48 | mickeyl | sometimes appending a line feed on /etc/pointercal seems to help also |
| 09:40.51 | mickeyl | isn't that odd ? |
| 09:41.02 | mickeyl | and i could swear that that used to work a few weeks before |
| 09:45.02 | schurig | mickeyl: i had the same problem. When I calibrated with qt, then x/y axis was swapped. You can verify this easily by not starting opie, but running opt/QtPalmtop/bin/scribble -qws |
| 09:45.39 | schurig | in scribble, you can easily see the correlation between your pen position and the recognized position |
| 09:46.01 | schurig | also, when I have /etc/pointercal made by ts_calibrate and I start then qt-calibrate, then Opie coredumps. |
| 09:46.57 | mickeyl | wow. so there is indeed something buggy in qte's tslib support |
| 09:49.28 | mickeyl | qwsmouse.cpp is ugly. |
| 09:49.31 | mickeyl | so full of #ifdef |
| 09:49.33 | mickeyl | i hate that |
| 09:56.59 | schurig | mickeyl: you need to look at one object only, ignore the rest |
| 10:00.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: so how do we get this fixed in order to release some new images? |
| 10:00.24 | mickeyl | cmartin: no idea - i'm open for suggestions :) |
| 10:01.07 | mickeyl | cmartin: someone... (not me atm) could do a detailed debugging session with qwsmouse and opie |
| 10:01.15 | mickeyl | and find out where the problem is |
| 10:02.44 | cmartin | but why didn't this appear a week ago when building images? |
| 10:02.52 | mickeyl | as the first step we should find out if that broke by switching from proprietary ucb1x00 handling to tslib or if that broke _after_ we switched to using tslib |
| 10:02.56 | cmartin | this must be caused by recent changes |
| 10:03.48 | mickeyl | i think it broke afterwards but I'M not sure |
| 10:08.39 | schurig | mickeyl: i have it since about a week, but it was not important to me. Our Ramses' get a preinstalled pointercal ... |
| 10:10.38 | cmartin | schurig: yes but what happens when a user recalibrates? |
| 10:10.49 | cmartin | manualy |
| 10:12.12 | schurig | cmartin: he doesn't. Opie is just a demo for the sales people. No one will run Opie on a Ramses, they have some warehouse logistics software on it, or a TN5250 connection to an AS/400 or a connation to SAP. |
| 10:12.50 | schurig | cmartin: What might be uses are the settings, e.g. energy-and-light, but even they get called from the main app and not via qpe |
| 10:13.02 | schurig | actually, the main app is Qt3 ... |
| 10:13.04 | cmartin | ok |
| 10:15.02 | cmartin | mickeyl: here's another suggestion - we should build an initial combined image without the mem= option set at all |
| 10:16.17 | mickeyl | hmm... why? |
| 10:16.50 | cmartin | since www.wolfsoft.de offers 128MB RAM upgrades for SL4 and SLC this would not cause them to be slowed down |
| 10:18.23 | mickeyl | slow down? |
| 10:18.25 | mickeyl | in how far? |
| 10:18.29 | cmartin | 64MB |
| 10:18.37 | mickeyl | why not just adding a target for those upgraded models? |
| 10:19.55 | cmartin | sounds reasonable, but it would save me a couple of kernel builds when making all the images for all models |
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| 10:20.37 | cmartin | leaving the mem= option wouldn't hurt anybody as an initial combined image |
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| 10:20.53 | cmartin | that's my opinion at least |
| 10:20.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: are you sure that autodetect works for all models? |
| 10:21.20 | cmartin | not sure - it does on my SL4 though |
| 10:22.17 | mickeyl | well... it's okay for me... adding a target and fiddleing on the memory options seems to be the same amount of work for me |
| 10:23.17 | cmartin | ok, it may be better to just add an new target - "Upraded SL4 (128MB RAM)" or something |
| 10:23.25 | mickeyl | good. will do that |
| 10:23.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: good news by the way... |
| 10:24.12 | mickeyl | cmartin: the june 10th kernel compiles fine and has the apm implementation |
| 10:24.16 | cmartin | what about automatically removing the zImage under /boot in the rootfs - or should I just remove that manually myself before building the images |
| 10:24.21 | mickeyl | cmartin: that means the opie batteryapplet works out of the box |
| 10:24.45 | cmartin | GREAT |
| 10:25.13 | cmartin | so the kernel I built yesterday should have that included? |
| 10:25.26 | schurig | mickeyl: batteryapplet worked for me out of the box, too |
| 10:25.37 | mickeyl | no. i didn't switch to that kernel yet in bk |
| 10:25.53 | mickeyl | schurig: hehe, yeah, but we didn't have an apm implementation since a few days ago |
| 10:27.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: it would be nice to include that in the official image release ;) |
| 10:28.04 | cmartin | would i only have to recompile the kernel after cleaning it? |
| 10:28.35 | mickeyl | think so |
| 10:28.42 | mickeyl | do oznew kernel-simpad |
| 10:28.52 | mickeyl | you did copy my scripts which i posted here? |
| 10:28.53 | mickeyl | :) |
| 10:29.38 | cmartin | sorry, i forgot - I wasn't sure if those were actual scripts or just suggestions |
| 10:29.59 | cmartin | did you already push the new kernel changes? |
| 10:30.14 | cmartin | if so i will bk pull now |
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| 10:31.15 | mickeyl | hold on |
| 10:32.16 | mickeyl | done |
| 10:33.13 | mithro | hello... |
| 10:33.41 | cmartin | mickeyl: now for those scripts....please ;-) |
| 10:36.11 | mickeyl | coming... |
| 10:36.50 | mickeyl | function ozclean() { rm -rf $stamps/.$1.*; make SUBDIRS=packages/$1 clean-sources; make SUBDIRS=packages/$1 clean-sourcetrees; } |
| 10:36.52 | mickeyl | function ozmake() { make SUBDIRS=packages/$1; } |
| 10:36.54 | mickeyl | function oznew() { ozclean $1 && ozmake $1; } |
| 10:37.11 | mickeyl | very handy. just one thing to remember. be always in rootdir before calling one of these |
| 10:37.20 | mickeyl | that way you can use them for all your buildroot trees |
| 10:37.34 | mickeyl | bbl - food hunting |
| 10:37.35 | cmartin | k |
| 10:38.01 | cmartin | mickeyl|mensa: guten appetit |
| 10:38.12 | mithro | ibot, seen themastermind1 |
| 10:38.12 | | themastermind1 <~aman@h-69-3-1-177.MCLNVA23.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 7h 14m 42s ago, saying: 'treke|home: cool'. |
| 10:38.21 | mithro | mickeyl|mensa: why are you going to mensa? |
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| 10:46.17 | mithro | anyone else alive today? |
| 10:47.04 | cmartin | yes, but starving |
| 10:47.15 | mithro | ahh... |
| 10:47.20 | mithro | go and eat something then :) |
| 10:47.31 | cmartin | soon |
| 11:06.42 | zecke_ | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/ShowStoppers |
| 11:08.13 | mithro | zecke_: whats that? |
| 11:08.49 | schurig | is CF Automounting a "showstopper"? |
| 11:09.11 | zecke_ | schurig: if it is not working yes ;) |
| 11:09.14 | mithro | whats wrong with CF automounting? |
| 11:09.23 | mithro | i havn't had any problems? |
| 11:10.08 | zecke_ | it's not working with my image ;) ( opie.handhelds.org/image/openzaurus ) |
| 11:10.23 | schurig | maybe it's broken on some hardware things. Anyway, if has NOTHING to do with opie, so if OZ is broken, it should be in OZ's todo or bugtracking system, but not at opie.handhelds.org |
| 11:11.06 | schurig | ui, Opie makes OZ images? Didn't knew that. |
| 11:11.10 | mithro | i have to agree with schurig |
| 11:11.20 | zecke_ | schurig: yupp but it is release critical for Opie as well cause we supply images for the 1.0 release ;) |
| 11:12.36 | schurig | zecke_: ok, if it isn't working for you: can you login to your system, do insert the card, do then "cardctl eject" and "cardctl insert" by hand and look at the output? this would give us a hint on what is going wrong. |
| 11:12.54 | mithro | zecke_: Model? |
| 11:13.01 | mithro | schurig: the c700 has an internal speaker |
| 11:14.26 | zecke_ | # cardctl eject |
| 11:14.26 | zecke_ | # cardctl insert |
| 11:14.29 | zecke_ | # |
| 11:14.46 | mithro | plus i had sound working with the last image i built |
| 11:15.07 | schurig | zecke_: so you don't see anything? |
| 11:15.14 | zecke_ | Jun 11 11:14:45 openzaurus syslog.info klogd: hda1 |
| 11:15.14 | zecke_ | Jun 11 11:14:45 openzaurus daemon.info cardmgr[390]: + Warning... fsck.msdos for device /dev/hda1 exited with signal 7. |
| 11:15.16 | schurig | zecke_: try "dmesg" |
| 11:15.16 | zecke_ | Jun 11 11:14:45 openzaurus daemon.info cardmgr[390]: start cmd exited with status 1 |
| 11:15.24 | zecke_ | did logread |
| 11:15.32 | Twiun | finally cracked that libpng loading problem |
| 11:15.33 | Twiun | !! |
| 11:15.49 | zecke_ | yuhu dosutils are broken :) |
| 11:15.58 | schurig | zecke_: -7 is SIGBUS |
| 11:16.09 | schurig | zecke_: or your CF card is borked |
| 11:16.11 | mithro | Twiun: hey how are you? |
| 11:16.21 | Twiun | mithro: I'm good :) |
| 11:16.28 | Twiun | mithro: finally tamed that lib |
| 11:16.34 | mithro | Twiun: thats good :) |
| 11:16.47 | mithro | i'm pretty good apart from my looming exams |
| 11:16.50 | Twiun | mithro: fbshowimg can now show jpegs _and_ pngs direct to the framebuffer |
| 11:17.09 | Twiun | mithro: heavy revision or procrastinating? |
| 11:17.37 | schurig | zecke_: as a tempory test, go and edit /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts, set DO_FSCK to "n" |
| 11:17.42 | schurig | zecke_: what happens now? |
| 11:18.12 | mithro | Twiun: both :) |
| 11:18.19 | zecke_ | schurig: manually mounting the cf works and the cf is working in my laptop as well |
| 11:18.21 | Twiun | mithro: lol |
| 11:18.30 | mithro | can anyone check the scummvm patch i did the otherday? |
| 11:18.45 | schurig | zecke_: you could first try to reformat you CF and then look if fsck.msdos still terminates |
| 11:18.56 | mithro | whats the diffrence between Opie head and Opie 0-99 ? |
| 11:19.54 | schurig | zecke_: hmm, do you really have "dostools" installed? In OZ the package is named "dosfstools" |
| 11:19.59 | zecke_ | schurig: did reformat yesterday |
| 11:21.26 | schurig | zecke_: i have dosfstools 2.8-2, what yours ? |
| 11:22.39 | zecke_ | schurig: reformatted and and fsck is still sigbussing ( what does that mean on arm? man 7 signal says nothing on my x86 ) |
| 11:23.23 | zecke_ | dosfstools 2.8-2 |
| 11:24.23 | schurig | ok, the same. Btw, on debian there's a dosfstools 2.9, I'm trying this now |
| 11:25.09 | zecke_ | schurig: what is a SIGBUS? |
| 11:25.46 | schurig | not sure |
| 11:25.53 | schurig | maybe google knows |
| 11:26.44 | schurig | zecke_: do you have OZ' buildroot installed? Does it help you if I "bk push" my changes or do you want the IPK file with 2.9? |
| 11:27.21 | zecke_ | schurig: I can build it on a different machine but for now a ipk would be easier |
| 11:28.24 | zecke_ | Now for user space applications, it is possible to configure the alignment |
| 11:28.24 | zecke_ | trap to SIGBUS any code performing unaligned access (good for debugging bad |
| 11:28.27 | zecke_ | code), or even fixup the access by software like for kernel code. The later |
| 11:28.30 | zecke_ | mode isn't recommended for performance reasons (just think about the |
| 11:28.32 | zecke_ | floating point emulation that works about the same way). Fix your code |
| 11:28.35 | zecke_ | instead! |
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| 11:29.39 | schurig | zecke_: ok, I "bk push"ed it. So, your kernel does not have CONFIG_ALIGNMENT_TRAP=y set? |
| 11:30.10 | zecke_ | arg echo 0 > /proc/sys/debug/alignment |
| 11:30.18 | zecke_ | 'fixes' the sigbus |
| 11:30.23 | schurig | zecke_: try www.mn-logistik.de/unsupported/pxa250/dosfstools_2.9-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 11:30.48 | schurig | zecke_: my kernel doesn't have anything in /proc/sys/debug, it's empty |
| 11:31.06 | schurig | zecke_: just the file above, this is no feed |
| 11:31.38 | mithro | QTe doesn't run on anything apart from framebuffer right? |
| 11:32.04 | zecke_ | schurig: buserror unaligned access |
| 11:32.17 | Twiun | mithro: there's a virtual fb tool qvfb for use on desktops |
| 11:32.51 | mithro | but it's intreicatly tied to a framebuffer type device? |
| 11:33.25 | zecke_ | mithro: it can run on anything you want |
| 11:35.01 | mithro | zecke_: but not without alot of work? |
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| 11:35.33 | Twiun | mithro: a framebuffer is only a block of memory - it doesn't take a lot of work to write a virtual one |
| 11:35.58 | zecke_ | mithro: dive deeper into the source |
| 11:36.13 | mithro | i'm reading doco and waiting for it to download :) |
| 11:36.36 | Twiun | pb_: fun begins again... now going to use function pointers with libpng instead of linking with it |
| 11:37.33 | schurig | zecke_: ok, then it's not because of the tool version. I guess that it might be something inside the kernel. You should refer this problem the the guy that is responsible for your kernel. |
| 11:37.36 | pb_ | Twiun: ah, joy. |
| 11:38.03 | Twiun | pb_: hopefully this time I'll know enough not to pester too much :) |
| 11:38.26 | mithro | i'm looking at this currently |
| 11:38.28 | mithro | ** $Id: qt/src/kernel/qgfxlinuxfb_qws.cpp 2.3.5 edited 2003-02-27 $ |
| 11:38.28 | mithro | ** |
| 11:38.28 | mithro | ** Implementation of QLinuxFbScreen (unaccelerated Linux framebuffer) class for |
| 11:38.47 | schurig | mithro: QTe is suppsed to run on X11, too. Althought I got nothing but error messages when I selected this in make xconfig |
| 11:39.08 | zecke_ | schurig: QTe or Opie? |
| 11:39.11 | schurig | mithro: ah, sorry, not Qte, but Opie |
| 11:39.23 | zecke_ | schurig: it is needing Qt/X11 |
| 11:39.36 | schurig | zecke_: I know, I have this on my x86-box in /usr/lib/qt2 |
| 11:40.04 | zecke_ | will check after 1.0 |
| 11:40.07 | mithro | zecke_: so the qws stuff is specific to qte? or? |
| 11:40.10 | schurig | zecke_: and I set QTDIR and HOSTQTDIR to that |
| 11:40.24 | zecke_ | qws yes |
| 11:40.32 | zecke_ | Q Window System |
| 11:40.42 | schurig | zecke_: actually, designer-qt2 works under X11, so I know that my qt2/X11 installation is ok (and besides, it's a Mdk RPM anyway) |
| 11:41.04 | mithro | how does it talk to the Q Window System? |
| 11:42.40 | mithro | i'm getting a picture of how the qws system works, but i'm still very fuzzy about how it links to the rest of qt |
| 11:44.56 | zecke_ | schurig: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=729516&group_id=43045&atid=434956 |
| 11:45.27 | zecke_ | Qt == platform independant |
| 11:45.52 | zecke_ | files inside a QWS #ifdef or with the name _qws _x11 _win _mac are platform sepecefic |
| 11:47.12 | mithro | zecke_: yeah i get that part |
| 11:47.51 | mithro | the qws must start some type of server right? (just like under windows/mac/x11 there already exists a server) |
| 11:48.10 | mithro | how does qt interact with these servers? |
| 11:49.20 | zecke_ | mithro: it does two things open up /dev/fb0 |
| 11:49.25 | zecke_ | mithro: mmaping it for screen access |
| 11:49.38 | zecke_ | mithro: and then have a) socket communication and b) shared memory |
| 11:49.58 | mithro | okay, this is what i'm looking for :) |
| 11:50.20 | zecke_ | QWSServerSocket for socket communication |
| 11:50.31 | zecke_ | and somewehre in linuxfb is the shmget and such stuff |
| 11:51.11 | mithro | from what i'm understanding the stuff which does the mmaping and opening is the qgfxlinuxfb_qws and it's accelerated deriviates? |
| 11:51.50 | mithro | and it's the region manager which manages access to it? |
| 11:53.47 | mithro | zecke_: or do i need to look at bit harder? |
| 11:54.41 | zecke_ | tronical: ping |
| 11:56.09 | tronical | pong |
| 11:57.03 | zecke_ | tronical: I've a problem with a define in applnk.h |
| 11:57.10 | mithro | look it's a tronical :) |
| 11:57.57 | zecke_ | tronical: the assignment operator is autogenerated if not not available but I need to copy contents out of a d pointer over... |
| 11:58.14 | zecke_ | otherwise I will have some sort of mem corruption when the original applnk is deleted.. |
| 11:58.43 | zecke_ | the question is can I remove the QTOPIA_INTERNAL_ASSIGNMENT #ifdef ... |
| 11:59.04 | tronical | you're wondering if it breaks binary compatibility? |
| 11:59.31 | mithro | hrm inside the qws-linuxfb file there is a "setMode" function which resize the framebuffer... |
| 11:59.32 | zecke_ | tronical: it shouldn't old apps will call the old one but I want to be safe... |
| 12:03.11 | tronical | zecke_: for me gcc2 does not generate a symbol by default for the assignment operator |
| 12:04.07 | zecke_ | tronical: but it should? |
| 12:05.09 | tronical | zecke_: I'm not sure if the standard requires putting a symbol for it or if compilers are allowed to do it like gcc2 does: copy the data directly on the caller side |
| 12:05.40 | tronical | zecke_: but the way I observe it gcc2 does the latter (which the obvious conclusion) |
| 12:05.42 | tronical | which=with |
| 12:06.17 | zecke_ | so it performs a memcpy |
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| 12:12.52 | mithro | zecke_: what was your problem with changing screen resolutions on the fly? |
| 12:18.06 | schurig | zecke_: in your comment, the echo 0 >/proc/sys/debug is borked |
| 12:18.40 | schurig | zecke_: on the referred web size: "Therefore I enforced a kernel oops if ever this happens |
| 12:18.40 | schurig | again with the kernel alignment trap configured out |
| 12:18.41 | schurig | " |
| 12:18.57 | schurig | so, that means that you get the SIGBUS because CONFIG_KERNEL_TRAP is configured out |
| 12:20.06 | schurig | or do I miss something? |
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| 12:20.43 | schurig | zecke_: anyway, in 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa1 (also from Nicolas Pitre) the behavior is like "echo 2 >/proc/sys/debug/alignment" |
| 12:20.46 | zecke_ | schurig: I get SIGBUS cause fsck does unaligned memaccess and I can decide on the strategy the kernel takes |
| 12:20.57 | zecke_ | ok so it's fixing it up |
| 12:23.44 | zecke_ | tronical: damn I can not simply remove that #ifdef... would break compat with sharp |
| 12:23.50 | tronical | zecke_: yeah :-( |
| 12:24.26 | zecke_ | tronical: but TT removed the #ifdef in Qtopia1.6 |
| 12:24.39 | zecke_ | tronical: but the symbol is only defined in libqtopia |
| 12:43.03 | Twiun | mickeyl,pb_: ok, that's done - fbshowimage now doesn't link against libpng, libjpeg or libz... I'll remove the ncurses dep later |
| 12:57.13 | pb_ | Twiun: ah, cool. |
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| 13:19.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:19.48 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 13:20.05 | Twiun | chouimat: cracked that nut - png/jpg loading works great |
| 13:20.13 | Twiun | chouimat: the binary is 5k stripped :) |
| 13:20.36 | chouimat | Twiun: and 12345k stripped if wrote in C++ ;) |
| 13:20.53 | Twiun | yeah, most likely |
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| 13:23.38 | mickeyl|mensa | Twiun: nice. how do we get the fonts? |
| 13:25.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: depends - I was thinking of making a separate binary for text output to keep it simple |
| 13:25.16 | Twiun | mickeyl: as well as one that only does the progress bar |
| 13:25.57 | chouimat | grrr I hate those days where you need to turn on the lamp at 9h24 am |
| 13:27.42 | mickeyl | okay, good. |
| 13:27.54 | mickeyl | hope we have big fonts also - not only tiny ones |
| 13:28.06 | mickeyl | (remember that on SIMpad we have 800x600 to fill :) |
| 13:28.28 | chouimat | todo list for today: make some coffee, call telephone,electricity,cable co, goo see a travel agency, works, packing ... |
| 13:29.34 | Twiun | mickeyl: it uses pcf fonts, so get something the right size for your resolution :) |
| 13:30.24 | chouimat | Twiun: we want type1 and truetype |
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| 13:32.02 | Twiun | chouimat: not really needed though - remember this'll run before freetype would even be installed |
| 13:33.53 | chouimat | Twiun: was joking |
| 13:34.13 | Twiun | chouimat: you may have been, but I'd considered it seriously a while back :) |
| 13:34.58 | chouimat | Twiun: thoses ones are the better jokes ;) |
| 13:35.19 | chouimat | hi zecke |
| 13:40.10 | zecke | mickeyl: maybe we could sell the additional space to an add company... ;) |
| 13:40.28 | mickeyl | zecke: yeah, we planned to do "buy tkc applications" billboards ;) |
| 13:41.02 | schurig | chouimat: again packing? Where do you go this time? Switzerland again? Visiting the nice nurses there? |
| 13:41.21 | chouimat | schurig: I'm moving |
| 13:41.28 | schurig | chouimat: new job? |
| 13:41.46 | chouimat | schurig: no new appartment (sort of) |
| 13:42.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: just about to upload images to SF, any suggestions? |
| 13:43.18 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW: I added a pointercal in the rootdisk |
| 13:44.31 | schurig | cmartin: maybe you upload an image from me? Wait, I'm adjusting my web camera (laught) |
| 13:45.32 | cmartin | hehe |
| 13:45.53 | mickeyl | cmartin: did you add a line feed after /etc/pointercal ? you should. |
| 13:46.08 | cmartin | mickeyl: yep |
| 13:46.13 | mickeyl | good |
| 13:46.24 | chouimat | schurig: I'm moving back to my mother's house for a while ... to think about my future |
| 13:46.42 | mickeyl | schurig: no really, i would find it totally coolness if we had one billboard where all the developers are listed (maybe with fotos :) |
| 13:47.01 | schurig | mickeyl: as soon as you setup the Zope base CMF ... (laugh again) |
| 13:47.07 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 13:47.25 | schurig | mickeyl: btw, in typo3 it would be easy, they have a nice extension for this |
| 13:47.38 | cmartin | i second that |
| 13:47.51 | chouimat | schurig: don't put to much job on mickeyl :) |
| 13:48.12 | mickeyl | thanks :)) |
| 13:52.18 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/bob.jpg <--- picture of me :) |
| 13:52.53 | mickeyl | i knew it :)) |
| 13:53.29 | mickeyl | schurig: btw. - i was referring to the developer-billboards in the first OZ boot, not on the website :) |
| 13:53.55 | chouimat | mickeyl: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/photo.jpg <--- that one is better |
| 13:54.22 | mickeyl | lol |
| 13:55.20 | cyn | CompUSA has the Linksys WCF12 Instant Wireless? Wireless CompactFlash Card selling for $69.99 with a $40 rebate (exp. 6/14/03) making your cost $29.99. Add $5 for shipping. Search for 298210. |
| 13:55.33 | cyn | --> http://www.morestuff4less.com/ |
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| 13:56.39 | chouimat | who is 81.5.129.62? |
| 13:57.18 | ljp_laptop | yo momma |
| 13:57.20 | cyn | 62.129.5.81.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer adorphuye.com. |
| 13:57.45 | cyn | person: Stephane Meslin-Weber |
| 13:57.49 | cyn | some londoner |
| 13:57.56 | cyn | Twiun!!! |
| 13:58.15 | Twiun | chouimat: Yup, 'tis me |
| 13:58.26 | chouimat | cyn: the server is close now :) |
| 13:58.37 | cyn | close? |
| 13:58.45 | chouimat | Twiun: server is down :) |
| 13:58.52 | chouimat | cyn: down |
| 13:58.53 | Twiun | yeah, lots of jpegs all over the place |
| 13:59.17 | cyn | web server on that machine isn't down |
| 13:59.57 | chouimat | Twiun: so very nice ... like yeah-down-there-dont-you-see-it? |
| 14:00.04 | chouimat | s/so/some |
| 14:00.08 | Twiun | chouimat: Yeah, I was curious about that one :) |
| 14:00.48 | chouimat | Twiun: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030611&mode=classic |
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| 14:02.10 | chouimat | Twiun: I like that poing of view (the jpg) |
| 14:03.02 | Twiun | chouimat: it's certainly one of the better alternatives :) |
| 14:04.16 | chouimat | lol |
| 14:08.42 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 14:08.47 | mickeyl | continuing work @ home |
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| 14:20.57 | schurig | chouimat: you find a picture of me on the web! |
| 14:21.14 | chouimat | schurig: the one on my site? |
| 14:21.39 | schurig | chouimat: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030611&mode=classic |
| 14:21.42 | schurig | that's me |
| 14:22.04 | chouimat | schurig: lol |
| 14:22.32 | schurig | the problem is that I don't get the joke with my limited english |
| 14:23.30 | chouimat | schurig: Martha Steward initial are MS and she wonder why geeks doesn't like her |
| 14:24.06 | schurig | chouimat: I didn't know her surname |
| 14:24.13 | schurig | it's not in the picture |
| 14:24.14 | chouimat | schurig: my german is probably more limited than your english |
| 14:24.46 | chouimat | schurig: no need because the annoy us with that on the news |
| 14:36.17 | treke|home | kergoth: xstroke ish port is back under way :p |
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| 14:42.42 | ljp_laptop | xstroke for qte? |
| 14:46.15 | treke|home | yes |
| 14:46.37 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 14:47.09 | treke|home | I've got a couple ideas for full screen mode. if they dont work I'll fall back to little box mode for the time being |
| 14:47.31 | treke|home | but at least I can get the libstroke->character part working |
| 14:50.13 | masticator_ | morning dudes. |
| 14:50.58 | chouimat|phone | hi masticator_ |
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| 14:56.07 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 15:45.09 | kergoth | hey! |
| 15:45.13 | kergoth | be nice to the buildroot |
| 15:45.56 | HCl | its like... the 20th broken package.. |
| 15:47.57 | kergoth | HCl: shit happens |
| 15:48.08 | kergoth | people change things upstream that break the build. nature of the system |
| 15:48.13 | HCl | kergoth: i havent had it compile/work right even once x.x |
| 15:48.30 | HCl | and it takes like 2 days to compile everything |
| 15:48.41 | kergoth | odd, mine builds fine pretty often |
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| 15:52.01 | cyn | HCl: you been keepin a list? |
| 15:52.19 | HCl | cyn: no, more like keep going back to menuconfig and disabling the broken packages |
| 15:52.23 | cyn | hehehe |
| 15:52.28 | cyn | i did that for gcc |
| 15:52.39 | cyn | which, I'm fairly certain I can't do |
| 15:52.52 | HCl | i'll just destroy the entire buildroot *AGAIN* |
| 15:52.57 | HCl | or is there a way to update it? |
| 15:53.02 | kergoth | update what? |
| 15:53.07 | cyn | the faq tells ya |
| 15:53.12 | kergoth | the tree? bk pull |
| 15:53.13 | HCl | the version of the buildroot i have on my hdd |
| 15:53.14 | cyn | bk pull |
| 15:53.15 | HCl | k |
| 15:53.20 | cyn | bk -r co -1 |
| 15:53.21 | cyn | er |
| 15:53.24 | cyn | bk -r co -q |
| 15:53.30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:53.43 | kergoth | i forgot, our cool thing where it autochecks files out when you ci them and stuff doesnt apply to pulls |
| 15:53.52 | kergoth | theres gotta be a way to fix that |
| 15:54.21 | cyn | 'ci' them ? |
| 15:54.27 | cyn | check in |
| 15:54.30 | kergoth | right |
| 15:54.36 | kergoth | when you check changes in, the files no longer exist |
| 15:54.38 | cyn | so you can check stuff in and keep working |
| 15:54.39 | cyn | oh |
| 15:54.40 | cyn | haha |
| 15:54.40 | kergoth | and then you need to check em back out |
| 15:54.41 | kergoth | right |
| 15:54.48 | cyn | that's a big aggravation in some ways |
| 15:54.51 | kergoth | the change makes them get checked out automatically |
| 15:54.54 | cyn | but, if it's just a quick change etc. |
| 15:55.02 | cyn | makes sense in a large scale |
| 15:55.07 | kergoth | yeah, but its just due to the fact that the local bk dir isnt a checked out dir |
| 15:55.10 | cyn | ppl shouldn't have stuff checked out indefinitely |
| 15:55.11 | kergoth | its a repository itself |
| 15:55.13 | kergoth | so things are different |
| 15:55.15 | cyn | ah |
| 15:55.22 | kergoth | bk clone isnt like cvs co |
| 15:55.27 | kergoth | its like tarring up the whole remote cvs repos |
| 15:55.29 | kergoth | downloading it |
| 15:55.32 | kergoth | including all history |
| 15:55.33 | kergoth | etc |
| 15:56.02 | cyn | Makefile:linkpath:=$(shell $(CC) -print-file-name=libgcc_s.so) |
| 15:56.02 | HCl | is there a make clean or sth to clear the entire buildroot and start from scratch? *sigh* |
| 15:56.21 | kergoth | HCl: read docs/BUILD |
| 15:56.27 | kergoth | HCl: it lists the available targets |
| 15:56.29 | HCl | mmk |
| 15:56.35 | HCl | i'll take that as a yes |
| 15:56.53 | cyn | that var's comin up blank, I assume that CC's a var assigned at a top level somewhere [prolly gcc path], and the other piece prints the path to the object or somethin? |
| 15:57.16 | cyn | oh that'd be the arm cross compiler duh |
| 15:58.17 | cyn | it's time to try this with screen or more than one term, hopping in and out isn't getting anywhere |
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| 16:18.39 | chouimat | http://www.powergenitalia.com/ <--- not porn ... just an example of bad naming |
| 16:22.17 | kergoth | chouimat: I have the package oeclass working, it takes a dir that you did a 'make install' into, reads your FILES variables, and copies the files into the dir for each package you want to build :) |
| 16:22.25 | kergoth | chouimat: so in other words, we almost have the new system building ipks |
| 16:24.02 | kergoth | i'll add a cool rpm spec generator and stuff too |
| 16:24.06 | kergoth | :D |
| 16:24.14 | chouimat | kergoth: bah rpm |
| 16:24.22 | kergoth | i agree, but people will want it |
| 16:24.47 | treke | an ext2 generator would be cook :p |
| 16:25.04 | chouimat | kergoth: I managed to get a zaurus toolchain for *BSD ... |
| 16:25.10 | cyn | woo |
| 16:25.12 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 16:25.18 | kergoth | chouimat: native? |
| 16:25.26 | cyn | absentiaS might like that |
| 16:25.31 | kergoth | chouimat: (not through the linux compat stuff) |
| 16:25.39 | kergoth | yeah i'm sure he will |
| 16:25.39 | chouimat | kergoth: native |
| 16:25.48 | kergoth | chouimat: cool |
| 16:27.11 | chouimat | kergoth: need some extensive testing but ... will be fun to use with distcc since I only have 1 linux box |
| 16:27.33 | Thelonius | kergoth, do you have an ipaq and a zaurus? |
| 16:28.12 | cyn | ok I'm sick of looking for jobs, I'm going to become an assassin-for-hire |
| 16:28.25 | kergoth | Thelonius: nope, dont own an ipaq |
| 16:28.26 | treke | cyn: start with big boss |
| 16:28.29 | cyn | since I'm noob I'll offer a 2 for 1 |
| 16:28.52 | bipolar | cyn: i know some peopke who are in the market... |
| 16:29.14 | cyn | bipolar: is their market slow too? |
| 16:29.27 | cyn | or is it a growth industry right now |
| 16:29.37 | bipolar | cyn: yes... sorry. Unless your palisinian :) |
| 16:29.43 | cyn | fscking |
| 16:33.10 | Thelonius | do you guys know what environment is being used in this screen shot? http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.19109.png |
| 16:33.32 | pb_ | that's GPE. |
| 16:33.32 | cyn | a most unpleasant one |
| 16:33.48 | pb_ | I'm not sure which icon theme it is though. |
| 16:33.56 | treke | gpe isnt that bad |
| 16:34.12 | chouimat | no gtk+ is bad |
| 16:34.15 | cyn | oh wait that's a PDA |
| 16:34.16 | cyn | hahahaha |
| 16:34.28 | cyn | totally wrong context - thought this was a diff channel heh |
| 16:34.34 | treke | kergoth: ping |
| 16:34.36 | bipolar | gpe is what you get when people just won't let go of X... :) |
| 16:34.54 | treke | X rocks |
| 16:34.56 | cyn | well, if you wanna run remote X apps, you need some manner of X |
| 16:35.06 | bipolar | cyn: or VNC. :) |
| 16:35.08 | cyn | well |
| 16:35.19 | treke | bipolar: can you say non shitty looking fonts? |
| 16:35.21 | cyn | but with vnc you need to either x0rfbserve or have a second instance of X running just for it |
| 16:35.59 | treke | kergoth: is there a way to check what is going to be pushed in a check in? |
| 16:36.00 | cyn | besides, X was made to have its SHIZ run remotely, so I like to bask in the glory of it |
| 16:36.27 | bipolar | cyn: nonono... I mean you can use VNC to control a remote X server. You *can* do the Xvnc thing.... |
| 16:36.55 | bipolar | youknow... I've never seen what the XFree 4.x based xvnc server looked like |
| 16:37.15 | chouimat | bipolar: the vnc driver? |
| 16:37.32 | treke | X also supports multiple users on a screen much easier also :p |
| 16:37.36 | bipolar | chouimat: no... xvnc, the server. I think it's based on Xfree4 now. |
| 16:37.58 | kergoth | treke: you mean what checked in changes will go into the changeset you create when you run bk commit? |
| 16:38.02 | kergoth | treke: thats bk pending |
| 16:38.07 | treke | k |
| 16:38.12 | kergoth | treke: if you mean, what changesets will go up when i run bk push, thats bk superset |
| 16:38.16 | cyn | bipolar: but you have to run vnc when starting an x session - you can't just fire it up and run with it |
| 16:38.27 | treke | bk superset is what I want then |
| 16:38.30 | kergoth | treke: bk superset will tell you if deleting this tree is a lossless event.. are there any changesets that arent upstream, changes that arent checked in, etc |
| 16:38.31 | bipolar | cyn: true |
| 16:38.36 | kergoth | quite handy |
| 16:38.40 | cyn | and that can mess up all sorts of other things you might want to do |
| 16:39.00 | treke | kergoth: its been a couple of weeks since I pushed, so I want to be sure I dont break anything by pushin unexpected changes |
| 16:39.44 | bipolar | is buildroot set to cvs co the .99 branch or HEAD of opie |
| 16:39.45 | bipolar | ? |
| 16:43.54 | HCl | libFB is broken |
| 16:44.06 | treke | define broken |
| 16:44.17 | HCl | wont compile. |
| 16:44.25 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:15:21: ncurses.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:44.25 | HCl | FBkeyb.c: In function `FB_kb_init': |
| 16:44.25 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:27: `stdscr' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:44.25 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:27: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 16:44.25 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:27: for each function it appears in.) |
| 16:44.27 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:27: `TRUE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:44.29 | HCl | FBkeyb.c: In function `FB_get_key': |
| 16:44.32 | HCl | FBkeyb.c:37: `ERR' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 16:44.32 | treke | HCl: compile curses |
| 16:44.35 | HCl | make[1]: *** [/tmp/buildroot-oz/stamps/.libfb.binary] Error 1 |
| 16:44.35 | cyn | why would FB need ncurses |
| 16:44.37 | HCl | make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildroot-oz/packages/libFB' |
| 16:44.40 | HCl | make: *** [packages/libFB] Error 2 |
| 16:44.41 | treke | and dont spam the channel |
| 16:44.42 | HCl | depends on ncurses, which gets compiled afterwards |
| 16:44.44 | cyn | that seems illogical |
| 16:44.57 | HCl | treke: shouldnt ncurses be built BEFORE libFB then? |
| 16:44.58 | cyn | HCl: it depends on a curses header - which isn't a compiled file :) |
| 16:45.10 | treke | HCl: yes. |
| 16:45.14 | HCl | well it isnt. |
| 16:45.34 | treke | HCl: So run make SUBDIRS=packages/ncurses |
| 16:53.32 | kergoth | 'well it isnt.' |
| 16:53.37 | kergoth | so fucking deal with it. |
| 16:54.06 | treke | libfb is still being worked on |
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| 16:55.16 | beattie | after a make mrproper: No such file `ncurses_5.3.20021109.orig.tar.gz' |
| 16:56.34 | cyn | are there more errors than that |
| 16:56.37 | cyn | perhaps a failed wget |
| 16:56.39 | cyn | above it |
| 16:56.46 | beattie | could this be affected by th e.config file? |
| 16:57.24 | beattie | cyn: right it't trying to wget a file that does not exist |
| 16:57.27 | cyn | without more errors all I can tell you is that the .tar.gz wasn't placed in the directory, whatever point it was supposed to - but most if not all things use cvs or wget to put it |
| 16:57.29 | cyn | ok |
| 16:57.35 | cyn | so go browse around, it prolly moved |
| 16:57.41 | beattie | Resolving ftp.debian.org... done. |
| 16:57.42 | beattie | Connecting to ftp.debian.org[128.101.80.131]:21... connected. |
| 16:57.42 | beattie | Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! |
| 16:57.42 | beattie | ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. |
| 16:57.42 | beattie | ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD /debian/pool/main/n/ncurses ... done. |
| 16:57.42 | beattie | ==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR ncurses_5.3.20021109.orig.tar.gz ... |
| 16:57.44 | beattie | No such file `ncurses_5.3.20021109.orig.tar.gz'. |
| 16:57.46 | beattie | WGET returned an error |
| 16:57.55 | treke | beattie: wait until someone fixes ncurses |
| 16:58.02 | treke | debian took down the file |
| 16:58.11 | beattie | kergoth said her had days ago |
| 16:58.30 | cyn | ncurses_5.3.20030510.orig.tar.gz |
| 16:58.34 | cyn | is the file now |
| 16:58.44 | cyn | if you browse around elsewhere you can prolly find the url for the file you wanted |
| 16:58.52 | cyn | which would likely be safer as far as building goes |
| 16:59.10 | beattie | yes but how to I get buildroot to get th eright file |
| 16:59.17 | kergoth | vi the makefile |
| 16:59.29 | kergoth | or download it manually and drop it into sources |
| 16:59.48 | cyn | I'm pretty pathetic with this buildroot stuff and even I can manage that much |
| 17:00.09 | kergoth | I wont be spending much time on buildroot going forward |
| 17:00.27 | cyn | you mean on the openembedded buildroot factor |
| 17:00.37 | cyn | you'll mainly be poking and tweaking and getting stuff working? |
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| 17:01.43 | beattie | hey cyn your real cute and helpful, now cma |
| 17:01.57 | cyn | wtf |
| 17:02.15 | cyn | what about concert multithread architecture |
| 17:02.19 | cyn | DEC isn't very relevant to this room |
| 17:02.30 | cyn | try #dec |
| 17:02.32 | treke | kergoth: bad news on the non compete frunt? |
| 17:03.34 | treke | front |
| 17:06.25 | cyn | man that would be decimation |
| 17:06.51 | kergoth | cyn: I mean i'll spend less time keeping the old buildroot up to date, and more time on the new infrastructure |
| 17:06.54 | cyn | but OZ doesn't get bundled with anything so it's hardly compete |
| 17:06.57 | cyn | yeah |
| 17:07.05 | kergoth | treke: no news at all, i'm still contributing to existing gpl codebases |
| 17:07.12 | treke | kergoth: ah thats good to here |
| 17:07.14 | kergoth | treke: so that even if TI gets the copyright on my code, they're bound |
| 17:07.17 | kergoth | yea |
| 17:07.37 | cyn | if they were smart they wouldn't tie you down like that anyway |
| 17:08.10 | cyn | i mean, if you want to do something, and it doesn't really hurt 'em (they're selling hardware not the software) it's just bad sense to stop ya etc. |
| 17:08.15 | treke | thats usually a good thing to check on befor signing it :p |
| 17:08.20 | cyn | oh definitely |
| 17:08.40 | beattie | companies are often shortsighted in the way |
| 17:08.55 | cyn | it's less the company and more the specific manager wanting to cover his butt |
| 17:09.01 | kergoth | treke: I needed the job, couldnt afford to push the issue |
| 17:09.02 | cyn | but he speaks for the company |
| 17:09.12 | treke | kergoth: fair enough |
| 17:09.20 | cyn | yea I mean a good job shows up yer pretty much screwed in negotiations |
| 17:09.41 | cyn | damned employers market |
| 17:10.25 | treke | cyn: Embedded linux kernel developers arent quite as easy to come by as web designers :p |
| 17:10.42 | cyn | that's true enough |
| 17:10.50 | beattie | but right now easy enough |
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| 17:14.27 | beattie | kergoth: you might check with a lawyer, some provisions in the non-compete may be unenforceable, though you might not want to piss of a new employer |
| 17:14.42 | beattie | by pointing that out to them |
| 17:17.55 | cyn | anyway, you never know until it goes to court :( |
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| 17:21.15 | treke | lawyers cost money :p |
| 17:22.27 | chouimat|away | treke: yup they cost money ... I spent 200cad yesterday |
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| 17:24.24 | beattie | yeah but the legal advice is better than what you get on the net :) |
| 17:24.52 | chouimat|away | beattie: exactly ... |
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| 17:37.50 | mickeyl | hi andersee |
| 17:41.23 | andersee | mickeyl: morning |
| 17:42.47 | mickeyl | what's that fuzz about ncurses? builds pretty good here from scratch |
| 17:43.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: mrproper'd or clean? |
| 17:43.23 | mickeyl | mrproper |
| 17:43.43 | beattie | I redcloned and am trying again |
| 17:44.05 | mickeyl | a bk pull may have been sufficient - no need for recloning if you don't fsck up your tree |
| 17:44.14 | beattie | mickeyl: I did |
| 17:45.54 | beattie | since I don't really know where the fsckup is, and don't want to have to keep tweaking it, I'm starting over |
| 17:46.06 | mickeyl | yup |
| 17:46.36 | mickeyl | know what you mean. since i joined OZ i may have b0rke my tree around 10 times or so :D |
| 17:47.08 | Twiun | yeah, it's one of them there learning processes... |
| 17:47.30 | beattie | since I tend to work on it in spurts, I forget things, so I just start over |
| 17:47.30 | Twiun | ... I've got about 3 or 4 defunct oz trees lying around my fs |
| 17:53.36 | Twiun | mickeyl: question: libFB doesn't bundle any fonts, should I add default ones or stick the fonts in a standalone package? |
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| 17:55.00 | mickeyl | Twiun: i would favour two standalone packages, one for small fonts, one for large fonts |
| 17:55.55 | Twiun | mickeyl: sounds good |
| 17:56.03 | mickeyl | ipaq & 5x00 models will need the small fonts, c7x0 and SIMpad will need large fonts |
| 17:56.12 | Twiun | fonts are about 2k each |
| 17:56.37 | Twiun | 9x16 is 1.3k |
| 17:56.57 | chouimat|away | Twiun: and pfaedit can convert TTF/PFB to pcf |
| 17:57.12 | Twiun | chouimat|away: good point |
| 17:57.44 | Twiun | chouimat|away: mind you, we can't use antialiasing, so I don't think vera would be a good start font |
| 17:57.57 | Twiun | that and we need monospaced |
| 17:58.00 | Twiun | although... |
| 17:58.03 | chouimat|away | Twiun: :) |
| 17:58.11 | Twiun | we don't necessarily need monospaced |
| 17:58.21 | mickeyl | doesn't even |
| 17:58.30 | Twiun | it's not as if we're writing a term emu anyway |
| 17:58.30 | mickeyl | only if i'm programming :) |
| 17:58.33 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 17:58.53 | Twiun | ok, I'll whip up some fonts |
| 17:59.05 | mickeyl | cool. do you have any example progs ready yet? |
| 17:59.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: fbshowimg runs, I'm adding it to the buildroot atm |
| 17:59.41 | Twiun | mickeyl: I'll put all these additional programs under libFB-utils |
| 17:59.53 | mickeyl | nice. |
| 18:00.25 | Twiun | haven't yet removed the ncurses depend yet |
| 18:00.30 | Twiun | but that's not as urgent |
| 18:00.49 | mickeyl | not necessary - we want to use it as bootmenu later and we need keyboard control therefore |
| 18:02.09 | mickeyl | We could include that in the next OZ release. while we're at it - if i were to decide we would release OZ 3.3 with Kernel 2.4.6 and Opie 1.0 - that way we were consistent with the roadmap posted on oz.org. Then a couple of weeks later OZ 3.3.1 with 2.4.19 and Opie 1.0.1 - what do you think? |
| 18:02.32 | Twiun | right - I was only thinking of doing the same for ncurses that I did for libjpeg and libpng - make them usable, but fail gracefully if they're not there |
| 18:02.48 | mickeyl | ah ok, you're right on that one |
| 18:03.04 | Twiun | who knows, someone may make an image without curses |
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| 18:07.11 | mickeyl | kergoth: what do you think of that plan? (re releasing 3.3 + Opie 1.0) |
| 18:08.39 | cyn | haha some dude was in here complaining about ncurses with fb Twiun :) |
| 18:08.51 | cyn | not why was it there, but that it was built after |
| 18:09.00 | cyn | tho from his error that didn't seem to matter to me, it was a header he needed |
| 18:09.11 | Twiun | cyn: how long ago? and why did he enable libFB anyway? |
| 18:09.22 | Twiun | libFB is disabled by default |
| 18:09.30 | cyn | today |
| 18:09.35 | cyn | hours ago heh |
| 18:09.46 | cyn | <HCl> libFB is broken |
| 18:09.56 | cyn | <HCl> FBkeyb.c:15:21: ncurses.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:10.07 | HCl | that reminds me |
| 18:10.12 | HCl | i should reenable it.. |
| 18:10.16 | cyn | THERE he is |
| 18:10.40 | Twiun | well, I've written the files that specify it depends on ncurses |
| 18:10.54 | Twiun | why it doesn't get built first, I have no idea |
| 18:11.14 | Twiun | wouldn't happen to have a stale ncurses stampfile by any chance? |
| 18:11.34 | HCl | i did a mkproper before i did a make.. |
| 18:11.54 | Twiun | and libFB uses ncurses because it is capable of using the keyboard |
| 18:14.48 | mickeyl | i hate my computer |
| 18:14.50 | mickeyl | spontaneous reboots are fun |
| 18:15.46 | Thelonius | anyone using OE on an ipaq with a thumboard/snap on keyboard? |
| 18:16.05 | beattie | mickeyl: it's saves you the effort of hitting th ereset button |
| 18:16.23 | mickeyl | beattie: well... but i'd never hit the reset button more than once in an hour |
| 18:16.41 | beattie | see it saves you all that time |
| 18:16.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: is this a valid depends you stuck in? |
| 18:16.47 | Twiun | mickeyl: depends on LIBC && NCURSES-LIBNCURSES5 |
| 18:17.07 | mickeyl | Twiun: i think so. we depend on the lib, not on the term packages etc. |
| 18:17.09 | Twiun | shouldn't that be LIBC && (NCURSES || LIBNCURSES5) |
| 18:17.23 | mickeyl | no, NCURSES-LIBNCURSES5 is the subpackage |
| 18:17.29 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 18:17.57 | mickeyl | config NCURSES-LIBNCURSES5 |
| 18:17.57 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.57 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.57 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.09 | mickeyl | that is from ncurses/config.in |
| 18:18.11 | Twiun | yeah, I just read that |
| 18:18.27 | Twiun | HCl: do you have that enabled? |
| 18:19.22 | HCl | probably... |
| 18:20.16 | Twiun | mickeyl: first pass at libFB-utils pushed in the buildroot |
| 18:20.37 | Twiun | mickeyl: can you give it a go on your simpad? (with appropriate rotation+image) |
| 18:21.16 | mickeyl | Twiun: can't do that know, but i will do later tonite |
| 18:21.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok, let me know when you're about to start - I'll help you set it up |
| 18:21.46 | mickeyl | k |
| 18:22.05 | Twiun | hrm... the simpad's 800x600 you said? |
| 18:22.13 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 18:22.18 | mickeyl | and zero rotation |
| 18:22.27 | Twiun | cool, that's the lib default |
| 18:22.51 | Twiun | we need a bitblt routine - drawing an image that size a pixel at a time will take ages |
| 18:28.02 | icefox | Afternoon |
| 18:30.16 | beattie | does anybody know if def-configs/collie-minimal works for building |
| 18:30.28 | mickeyl | maybe out of date |
| 18:30.47 | beattie | I wonder if that was the ncurses problem |
| 18:30.56 | mickeyl | maybe |
| 18:31.06 | beattie | I'm trying with collie-opie right now |
| 18:31.17 | Twiun | wtf? libFB-utils depends on LIBFB, but... libFB doesn't get built first... |
| 18:32.30 | mickeyl | rm .depends ? |
| 18:32.34 | Twiun | just did |
| 18:32.37 | Twiun | no effect |
| 18:32.44 | mickeyl | typo ? |
| 18:32.48 | mickeyl | CONFIG- versus CONFIG_ |
| 18:32.53 | mickeyl | had that more than one time... |
| 18:32.53 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:32.56 | Twiun | is the stamp checking case sensitive? |
| 18:33.08 | Twiun | because my stamps are created all in lowercase |
| 18:33.20 | mickeyl | hmmm |
| 18:37.12 | mickeyl | hmm...indeed... our packages are all lowercase |
| 18:37.21 | mickeyl | never noticed |
| 18:37.23 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:37.35 | Twiun | and that doesn't appear to have been the problem |
| 18:37.51 | mickeyl | do you have used _tabs_ in pkg.conf as opposed to spaces ? |
| 18:38.09 | mickeyl | CONFIG-bla<tab>packages/bla<tab>packages/bla/config.in |
| 18:38.36 | Twiun | nah... found the mistake :) |
| 18:38.49 | Twiun | CONFIG_LIBFP_UTILS |
| 18:39.23 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:39.26 | mickeyl | framepuffer utilities |
| 18:39.34 | mickeyl | did i say its a typo |
| 18:39.36 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 18:39.45 | Twiun | yup. you were right |
| 18:40.05 | Twiun | I'm puzzled why the .binary and .staginginstall stamps don't get removed with a make mrproper |
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| 19:12.12 | treke | afternoon tim |
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| 19:14.45 | kergoth | Twiun: doesnt matter, since sourcetree is removed and they depend on sourcetree |
| 19:15.55 | treke | technically it's probably right since mrproper doesnt uninstall the staging install |
| 19:16.13 | kergoth | yeah, the stamps should reflect reality |
| 19:16.30 | kergoth | removing .binary would be good though, since obviuosly its not compiled if sourcetree's gone :) |
| 19:16.38 | treke | yeah |
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| 19:17.57 | kergoth | i'm already getting spoiled by the new system |
| 19:18.11 | treke | it getting close to usable? |
| 19:18.47 | kergoth | treke: i'm almost done with the package oeclass.. when i'm done with that, i'll write the ipkg oeclass for ipk production |
| 19:18.53 | kergoth | then individual package builds are pretty much set to go |
| 19:19.05 | kergoth | just interpackage dependencies to call them in the right order w/ oemake is left |
| 19:19.10 | kergoth | and of course the config tool |
| 19:19.18 | Twiun | can't wait to convert to the oe built system :) |
| 19:19.32 | treke | cool. when the indivial packages are good to go let us know |
| 19:19.39 | treke | I'd be glad to start on converting |
| 19:19.42 | kergoth | yeah, at that point we need to start conversion |
| 19:19.43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:19.48 | kergoth | we need a perl or python conversion script |
| 19:20.00 | kergoth | really basic, get the data over.. then a human reviews and alters to make it work |
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| 19:20.53 | kergoth | treke: taken a look at the glibc and ipkg .oe's in the new system yet? |
| 19:21.08 | treke | nope. I havent looked at oe in a long while |
| 19:24.00 | kergoth | treke: the package metadata is in a seperate repository from the base buildsystem |
| 19:24.15 | kergoth | treke: I expect once we have the basic work done, the base system wont need to be touched much, if at all |
| 19:24.46 | treke | kergoth: I really like that :) |
| 19:26.05 | treke | easier for people to send us packages. |
| 19:26.12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:26.16 | kergoth | and tighter access control |
| 19:27.08 | kergoth | treke: adding packages is a breeze, we're abstracting anything common into oeclasses that you can 'inherit' in your package .oe file |
| 19:27.24 | kergoth | treke: which ofttimes will only need to hold your package's metadata.. description, etc |
| 19:35.58 | Twiun | hrmph. undefined ref to stdscr |
| 19:37.25 | Twiun | can't I define function pointers *outside* a function? |
| 19:37.49 | Twiun | I need to use the same function pointers in a few functions |
| 19:40.57 | Twiun | but as soon as I put the definitions outside the function blocks, I get "blah blah redefined..." |
| 19:45.23 | treke | Twiun: sure youc an |
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| 19:46.19 | treke | Twiun: http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/foo.c |
| 19:47.36 | Twiun | in this case, the compiler complains of a previous definition in one of the headers I include |
| 19:47.47 | Twiun | hmmm... maybe I should call my pointers something else |
| 19:48.03 | treke | are you calling your pointers the same thing as another function? |
| 19:49.09 | Twiun | yeah, I'm working on converting a compile-time link to a dlopen set of calls |
| 19:49.15 | Twiun | dlopen/dlsym |
| 19:49.36 | Twiun | ok, renaming them worked. now to find out where stdscr is defined... |
| 19:53.07 | Twiun | cool, that built |
| 19:59.35 | bipolar | what size in pixles is the standard opie icon? 32x32? |
| 20:02.29 | Twiun | sounds about right |
| 20:02.30 | treke | 24x24 I think |
| 20:02.52 | Twiun | 32x32, with most only using 28x28+ border for shadow |
| 20:03.22 | treke | 32x32 |
| 20:03.42 | bipolar | thanks |
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| 20:26.22 | TMM1 | treke: howd that build go |
| 20:26.28 | treke | TMM1: uploaded |
| 20:26.33 | TMM1 | where to |
| 20:27.30 | treke | http://treke.net/oz/ |
| 20:28.09 | TMM1 | really.. |
| 20:28.10 | TMM1 | i check there |
| 20:28.24 | TMM1 | ah, its there now |
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| 20:31.39 | treke | that reminds me, I need to finish seeding the source archive |
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| 20:33.50 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/tmp/spam.txt <-- spam level from Spamassassin on some 1500 emails sent to community@animearchive.org |
| 20:35.08 | TMM1 | alright, time to test this build |
| 20:35.11 | TMM1 | hopefully it'll work |
| 20:39.27 | ljp_laptop | hmmmpf |
| 20:39.56 | pb_ | quite. |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | hrmm |
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| 20:42.23 | TMM1 | beh |
| 20:42.28 | TMM1 | why does umounting my CF crash the laptp |
| 20:42.30 | TMM1 | dammit |
| 20:46.00 | ljp_laptop | dont you hate when you fix one thing, it breaks something else? |
| 20:46.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:46.07 | TMM1 | heh |
| 20:46.11 | TMM1 | kergoth: hows oebuild coming |
| 20:46.24 | kergoth | TMM1: good, i'm almost done with generic package output handling, and the ipkg generator |
| 20:46.32 | kergoth | TMM1: then individual package builds are pretty much set |
| 20:46.53 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 20:47.34 | kergoth | hey pb. |
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| 20:50.07 | TMM1 | booting.. |
| 20:51.23 | TMM1 | DUDE |
| 20:51.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:51.51 | TMM1 | the new reconfiguring stuff |
| 20:51.53 | kergoth | like Twiun's first boot status? |
| 20:51.54 | kergoth | yea |
| 20:54.09 | TMM1 | its damn sexy |
| 20:54.15 | TMM1 | stopped at 99 out of 100 though |
| 20:54.30 | TMM1 | hmm |
| 20:54.33 | TMM1 | opie didn't start |
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| 20:54.56 | TMM1 | treke: was opie in the image? |
| 20:55.05 | TMM1 | kergoth: its /etc/init.d/opie isn' tit? |
| 20:57.33 | kergoth | TMM1: yep |
| 20:57.39 | TMM1 | yea, not on the image |
| 20:57.53 | TMM1 | i guess i should install from feed then |
| 20:59.06 | fishy- | how can I update all the ipkgs on my system? |
| 21:00.07 | mickeyl | fishy: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade - but you don't want to do that |
| 21:00.20 | treke | TMM1: yes it was |
| 21:00.46 | treke | At least it should be, I used the opie def-config |
| 21:01.22 | Twiun | TMM1: yeah, the first boot has an off-by-one error :/ |
| 21:02.55 | TMM1 | treke: thats weird, its not on the image at all |
| 21:02.56 | TMM1 | qte is |
| 21:03.00 | TMM1 | but no opie libs or binaires |
| 21:03.25 | treke | odd |
| 21:03.35 | treke | its a 15 meg image, so *something* is there |
| 21:03.45 | TMM1 | its padded |
| 21:04.00 | treke | ah |
| 21:04.13 | treke | ipaq images are just padded to the nearest block |
| 21:05.37 | TMM1 | heh |
| 21:05.52 | TMM1 | ok lemme see if i can get net access on here and download |
| 21:05.57 | TMM1 | not sure if ipkg will cooperate |
| 21:06.33 | TMM1 | pcmcia stuff isn't doing anything.. wifi isn't detected, lights won't go on |
| 21:06.55 | TMM1 | well, cardctl ident shows it |
| 21:07.17 | TMM1 | heh, modprobe orinoco = segfault |
| 21:07.37 | fishy- | TMM1: does /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 21:07.39 | fishy- | help |
| 21:07.41 | fishy- | ? |
| 21:07.49 | TMM1 | fishy-: no |
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| 21:08.50 | TMM1 | depmod segfaults too |
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| 21:09.47 | fishy- | ya annoying |
| 21:09.54 | pb_ | hm, which notices are those? I haven't seen any lately. |
| 21:09.59 | HCl | they make my window beep.. |
| 21:10.03 | fishy- | you shouldent notice people unless something happens |
| 21:10.04 | TMM1 | hrm, if i run through gdb, it gets a sigsgv and says this program no longer exists |
| 21:10.05 | TMM1 | no bt |
| 21:10.07 | HCl | 23:09 -lilo(levin@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Hi all. News up on the |
| 21:10.10 | HCl | etc etc |
| 21:10.23 | pb_ | weird. I must have managed to configure my client with some kind of super-ignore. |
| 21:10.46 | pb_ | oh, no, my mistake. seems it just ended up in a random channel window :-} |
| 21:10.57 | TMM1 | strace does a little better.. |
| 21:11.23 | TMM1 | dies on query_module |
| 21:11.25 | TMM1 | <unfinished> |
| 21:11.26 | pb_ | TMM1: if modprobe is segfaulting, check dmesg for oops messages. |
| 21:11.46 | TMM1 | k |
| 21:11.56 | TMM1 | hah |
| 21:12.00 | TMM1 | never seen so many oopses |
| 21:12.10 | pb_ | fwiw, loading pcmcia driver modules manually is seldom a fruitful endeavour. |
| 21:12.25 | TMM1 | i see |
| 21:12.27 | pb_ | cardmgr does some special coaxing to make them work right. |
| 21:12.34 | TMM1 | treke: you built a kernel too right? |
| 21:13.02 | treke | TMM1: yes |
| 21:13.12 | TMM1 | treke: can you upload it :) |
| 21:13.21 | treke | TMM1: be there in a couple hours |
| 21:13.27 | TMM1 | k |
| 21:13.28 | TMM1 | thanks |
| 21:14.30 | TMM1 | how do i kill a umount |
| 21:14.57 | pb_ | may not be possible, if it's stuck in state D and the kernel is confused. |
| 21:16.19 | treke | TMM1: the shutdown command can do it |
| 21:16.25 | treke | TMM1: pas it the -r flag |
| 21:16.54 | TMM1 | treke: heh |
| 21:16.57 | TMM1 | its in state R |
| 21:17.15 | pb_ | oh, then should be able to kill -9 it. |
| 21:17.23 | TMM1 | i tried |
| 21:17.29 | pb_ | try stracing it, see if that helps. |
| 21:19.52 | TMM1 | does .21-rc7 have the new wireless tools stuff? |
| 21:21.44 | treke | quite spreading the love |
| 21:21.49 | treke | we dont know where you have been |
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| 21:44.56 | mickeyl | Twiun: ping |
| 21:45.24 | mickeyl | Twiun: did some cleanups. libfb-utils doesn't link here. i think you missed passing -ldl |
| 21:46.52 | kergoth | always be careful about exporting the flag vars |
| 21:46.58 | kergoth | thats why they arent exported by default |
| 21:47.04 | kergoth | some buildsystems get very unhappy :) |
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| 21:49.29 | _ibz | hi |
| 21:49.36 | kergoth | hey _ibz |
| 21:51.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, fixes waiting to be pushed on my end too |
| 21:51.35 | mickeyl | oh damn |
| 21:51.44 | mickeyl | well we may conflict then :) |
| 21:53.17 | _Psycho | you guys pushing it now ? |
| 21:53.37 | chouimat | mickeyl: does the simpad price drop? |
| 21:54.08 | mickeyl | chouimat: you mean even below the 300 EUR... i doubt that. most likely is they are all sold out until that drops |
| 21:54.11 | Twiun | mickeyl: no worries |
| 21:54.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: I also removed the ncurses dep |
| 21:54.29 | mickeyl | Twiun: ok. it compiles and links here now. |
| 21:54.33 | chouimat | mickeyl: ok I'm in europe at the end of august ... |
| 21:54.50 | TMM1 | i want a simpad if its even cheaper now |
| 21:55.07 | Twiun | mickeyl: it does? good - commit your changes, I'll resolve conflicts on my end |
| 21:55.25 | chouimat | TMM1: how much? |
| 21:55.28 | TMM1 | chouimat: dunno |
| 21:56.20 | mickeyl | Twiun: done |
| 21:56.38 | mickeyl | Twiun: i didn't add -ldl and -lFB to the LDFLAGS - those are better done in your Makefile |
| 21:57.06 | Twiun | mickeyl: yup |
| 21:57.14 | chouimat | mickeyl: the simpad is at 300 eur? |
| 21:57.18 | mickeyl | chouimat: yeah |
| 21:57.26 | chouimat | mickeyl: that 475 cad !!!! |
| 21:57.29 | mickeyl | i know |
| 21:57.30 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:57.49 | mickeyl | the last in stock are sold now |
| 21:57.53 | mickeyl | are on sale even |
| 21:57.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: going to start developing something like ink for it? |
| 21:58.18 | mickeyl | Twiun: not me I'm afraid :D |
| 21:58.26 | mickeyl | too much jobs |
| 21:58.31 | mickeyl | not going to need another one :) |
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| 21:58.59 | TMM1 | ibot convert 300 eur to usd |
| 21:59.08 | TMM1 | sugar what is 300 eur in usd |
| 21:59.10 | Sugar | 300 EUR is 352.52646 US$ |
| 21:59.22 | pb_ | wow, the dollar is slipping these days. |
| 21:59.35 | chouimat | sugar what is 300 eur in cad |
| 21:59.38 | Sugar | 300 EUR is 482.96124 CAD |
| 21:59.48 | zauruslover | hey there can anyone help me with my Netgear MA701 Wi-Fi card and C750 ? |
| 21:59.53 | chouimat | sugar what is 1 cad in usd |
| 21:59.56 | Sugar | 1 CAD is 0.729927 US$ |
| 21:59.57 | zauruslover | I am unable to get it to connect |
| 22:00.16 | pb_ | sugar what is 1 gbp in usd |
| 22:00.19 | Sugar | 1 GBP is 1.6393442 US$ |
| 22:00.19 | chouimat | sugar what is 1 cad in czk |
| 22:00.21 | Sugar | chouimat: in what? |
| 22:00.35 | chouimat | sugar what is 1 gbp in cad |
| 22:00.37 | Sugar | 1 GBP is 2.2459016 CAD |
| 22:00.44 | zauruslover | sugar what is 1 usd in inr |
| 22:00.46 | Sugar | zauruslover: 1 US$ is 47.183998 INR |
| 22:02.00 | zauruslover | only currecny convertors here ? No real tech geeks ? :) |
| 22:02.04 | TMM1 | zauruslover: where'd you live |
| 22:02.12 | TMM1 | where do you live rather |
| 22:02.23 | zauruslover | TMM1 : CA |
| 22:02.25 | zauruslover | and you ? |
| 22:02.28 | TMM1 | VA |
| 22:02.32 | zauruslover | aah :) |
| 22:02.33 | TMM1 | why the conversion to INR? |
| 22:02.45 | zauruslover | :)) just to see the rate :) |
| 22:04.08 | bisho | msg Sugar what is 300 eur in PTA |
| 22:04.22 | kergoth | msg bisho you forgot a slash |
| 22:04.27 | bisho | XD |
| 22:04.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:04.35 | bisho | thx |
| 22:04.51 | TMM1 | msg nickserv myp4s$w0rD |
| 22:05.01 | bisho | I'm on exams and my mind is not working.... |
| 22:06.33 | bisho | kergoth: how is your work going??? |
| 22:06.46 | bisho | It should be nice to work on embedded linux... |
| 22:06.47 | bisho | :) |
| 22:07.23 | bisho | In which company are you working (If you don't mind to tell me)? |
| 22:07.32 | chouimat | mickeyl: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/bob2.jpg |
| 22:08.14 | mickeyl | sweet. is that now really you ? |
| 22:08.36 | chouimat | mickeyl: yup |
| 22:08.46 | mickeyl | nice cat. what's her/his name ? |
| 22:08.50 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: no, it's his cat |
| 22:08.59 | chouimat | mickeyl: bob |
| 22:09.08 | mickeyl | ah well.. could've figured that :) |
| 22:10.02 | chouimat | mickeyl: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/annma.jpg |
| 22:10.17 | chouimat | mickeyl: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/annmae.jpg |
| 22:10.38 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:10.54 | Twiun | mickeyl: ok, changes pushed |
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| 22:11.11 | Twiun | mickeyl: should build cleanly && not link against ncurses at compile time |
| 22:11.15 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/bob2.jpg |
| 22:11.32 | ljp_laptop | hmm more pron? |
| 22:11.32 | mickeyl | Twiun: ok - trying. did you add -ldl and -lFB to your makefile? |
| 22:11.55 | Twiun | mickeyl: they were there - just not working |
| 22:12.08 | mickeyl | hmm... libFB-dlopen-ncurses |
| 22:12.08 | Twiun | mickeyl: make mrproper libfb+utils |
| 22:12.11 | mickeyl | not there |
| 22:12.15 | mickeyl | did add that new file? |
| 22:12.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: on the web - it's there |
| 22:12.29 | TMM1 | i love wikis |
| 22:13.25 | mickeyl | Twiun: great. we're there. what now? |
| 22:13.30 | mickeyl | (booting SIMpad....) |
| 22:13.53 | Twiun | mickeyl: install the ipks onto your simpad :) |
| 22:14.06 | mickeyl | booting-over-nfs... takes a while... |
| 22:14.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:14.28 | Twiun | mickeyl: then "fbshowimg animage.png_or.jpg" |
| 22:14.52 | Twiun | granted... not many images on a typical oz image will be 800x600 ;) |
| 22:15.01 | Twiun | so your image will be in the upper-left corner |
| 22:15.17 | TMM1 | i tried out bootsplash yesterday |
| 22:15.17 | zauruslover | while we wait for OZ for the C750, I'd like to know if there is something similar to the Drawpad for Sharp ROM ? |
| 22:15.19 | TMM1 | so very awesome |
| 22:15.27 | TMM1 | zauruslover: there is |
| 22:15.32 | zauruslover | which could take handwritten notes ? |
| 22:15.35 | zauruslover | wow where ? |
| 22:15.35 | Twiun | TMM1: yeah, but so very messy |
| 22:15.44 | TMM1 | Twiun: eh, how so |
| 22:15.50 | TMM1 | apply a patch, load an initrd |
| 22:15.53 | zauruslover | uh so there is OZ for the C750 now ? |
| 22:16.03 | zauruslover | or Drawpad ? |
| 22:16.07 | TMM1 | zauruslover: um, not yet. probably not until i get myself a c750 |
| 22:16.11 | TMM1 | zauruslover: opie has a drawpad |
| 22:16.20 | Twiun | TMM1: on a desktop kernel or our lovely rotated fbcon-enabled-kernel? |
| 22:16.23 | zauruslover | :) and until Sharp releases the sources right ? |
| 22:16.32 | TMM1 | Twiun: oh, desktop =D |
| 22:16.40 | zauruslover | right opie does but I would need OZ for that right ? |
| 22:16.43 | Twiun | TMM1: hehe |
| 22:16.48 | TMM1 | zauruslover: hmm, maybe. the c700 kernel should work fine imho |
| 22:16.55 | TMM1 | zauruslover: uname -a on the 750 |
| 22:16.56 | TMM1 | whats it say |
| 22:17.09 | TMM1 | Twiun: getting the progress bar to work in debian is tricky though |
| 22:17.24 | Twiun | TMM1: mickeyl and I looked at it for OZ, but we thought it was too intrusive |
| 22:17.26 | TMM1 | i can't figure out why it drops from the progress bar screen to the verbose screen automatically |
| 22:17.45 | TMM1 | zauruslover: huh? oz uses opie |
| 22:17.48 | Twiun | TMM1: it's also easier to do everything in userspace |
| 22:18.01 | zauruslover | hmmm yup ... so I can't use Drawpad with the Sharp ROM ... right ? |
| 22:18.10 | TMM1 | zauruslover: prolly not |
| 22:18.14 | TMM1 | zauruslover: gimme a uname -a output |
| 22:18.17 | TMM1 | i'd be interested in seeing that |
| 22:18.41 | TMM1 | kergoth: chances that the oz c700 rom+kernel will work on the c750? |
| 22:18.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: still booting? |
| 22:19.09 | TMM1 | Twiun: so you guys actually making progress? |
| 22:19.15 | mickeyl | doing three things simultaneousl |
| 22:19.16 | mickeyl | y |
| 22:19.21 | mickeyl | Twiun: installed. |
| 22:19.23 | kergoth | TMM1: depends on whether the c700 kernel supports it |
| 22:19.28 | kergoth | TMM1: all depends on how similar the hardware is |
| 22:19.40 | zauruslover | TMM1 : uname -a : Linux zaurus 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #1 Sat, 10 May 2003 14:51:36 +0900 armv5tel unknown |
| 22:19.49 | TMM1 | kergoth: is that same kernel as c700? |
| 22:19.58 | Twiun | TMM1: yeah, this libfb stuff contains the basics for framebuffer graphics at boot time |
| 22:20.04 | TMM1 | Twiun: nice nice |
| 22:20.07 | mickeyl | Twiun: ready steady go. how shall i test? |
| 22:20.09 | kergoth | TMM1: yep, same version |
| 22:20.18 | Twiun | mickeyl: have opie installed? |
| 22:20.22 | zauruslover | TMM1/kergoth : I guess the apps would need to be recompiled correct ? |
| 22:20.24 | mickeyl | Twiun: exiting opie seems to be a good thing for a start |
| 22:20.26 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:20.27 | kergoth | zauruslover: why? |
| 22:20.34 | kergoth | zauruslover: of course not. even 5500 apps run on the c700 |
| 22:20.53 | zauruslover | kergoth: to take advantage of speed/no cache bug etc ? |
| 22:20.55 | TMM1 | zauruslover: you feeling daring? |
| 22:21.01 | kergoth | zauruslover: irrelevent |
| 22:21.09 | TMM1 | zauruslover: you could flash the c700 image onto your 750 |
| 22:21.10 | kergoth | zauruslover: compilation isnt what does that |
| 22:21.10 | zauruslover | kergoth : aah i c ! ok |
| 22:21.13 | TMM1 | it'll probably work |
| 22:21.14 | zauruslover | ok |
| 22:21.19 | Twiun | mickeyl: fbshowimg /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/launcher/opie-background.jpg |
| 22:21.22 | zauruslover | TMM1 : Dont want a brick :) |
| 22:21.27 | TMM1 | www.openzaurus.org/experimental/c700/ |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth | TMM1, zauruslover: is a c750 image available online? |
| 22:21.39 | kergoth | TMM1, zauruslover: if not, you dont have anything to fall back on |
| 22:21.44 | Twiun | mickeyl: although I haven't got that to work from an ssh session yet |
| 22:21.44 | TMM1 | hmm right |
| 22:21.46 | kergoth | so if it doesnt work, he's hose |
| 22:21.46 | TMM1 | that'd be bad |
| 22:21.47 | kergoth | hosed |
| 22:21.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:21.58 | Twiun | mickeyl: so that has to be from the main console |
| 22:22.07 | TMM1 | check that sharp japan site that releases sources and stuff |
| 22:22.10 | zauruslover | kergoth/TMM1 : exactly .. I don't have an image for the Sharp ROM to fall back on yet ... initrd zImage etc |
| 22:22.28 | mickeyl | Twiun: *cough* |
| 22:22.36 | Twiun | lol |
| 22:22.37 | mickeyl | Twiun: you know that the SIMpad has no keyboard |
| 22:22.41 | mickeyl | ? |
| 22:22.43 | Twiun | mickeyl: I do now :) |
| 22:22.49 | Twiun | mickeyl: do it from within opie |
| 22:22.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: it won't hurt opie - just mess the display a bit |
| 22:23.19 | mickeyl | k... |
| 22:23.25 | TMM1 | zauruslover: look through openzaurus.org archives and find the sharp site where they release stuf |
| 22:23.28 | zauruslover | what site is that ? www.sharp.co.jp or the more.....jp site ? |
| 22:23.35 | zauruslover | ok looking |
| 22:24.17 | mickeyl | argh that calibration and touchscreen bug is killing me |
| 22:25.11 | TMM1 | Twiun, mickeyl: doing all this on .19? |
| 22:25.25 | Twiun | TMM1: kernel version independent |
| 22:25.38 | Twiun | TMM1: best feature of it |
| 22:26.02 | mickeyl | TMM: yes |
| 22:26.10 | mickeyl | TMM: Me at least |
| 22:26.14 | mickeyl | (SIMpad = .19) |
| 22:26.28 | Twiun | I go between .6 and .19 |
| 22:26.48 | kergoth | zauruslover: more.sbc.co.jp .. click on the sharp zaurus spacetown link |
| 22:27.01 | Twiun | mickeyl: any joy? |
| 22:27.39 | mickeyl | Twiun: fblib_ioctl: VB_GETMODE failed |
| 22:27.43 | mickeyl | segmentation fault |
| 22:27.56 | mickeyl | VT_GETMODE even |
| 22:28.22 | TMM1 | kergoth: so how can we fix this ts issue without you having a working ts digitizer |
| 22:28.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: hrm. perhaps I should try it from within a console too :) |
| 22:28.28 | mickeyl | yeah.. |
| 22:28.42 | Twiun | ok, leave it for now, I'll track that bug down and fix it tomorrow |
| 22:28.43 | kergoth | TMM1: good question |
| 22:28.57 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:29.21 | kergoth | TMM1: wonder if we can build the ts support as a moduel |
| 22:29.22 | kergoth | TMM1: module |
| 22:29.36 | kergoth | TMM1: then you could give me ssh access to your Z, and we just load and unload the modules and do tslib tests |
| 22:30.03 | zauruslover | anyone here has the C700 and OpenSSH running on it ? |
| 22:30.08 | kergoth | uh, yes |
| 22:30.11 | kergoth | in OZ :) |
| 22:30.18 | zauruslover | oh ok |
| 22:30.32 | Twiun | g'night |
| 22:30.37 | zauruslover | cuz with the Sharp ROM, this causes the month view in Calendar to crash |
| 22:30.51 | TMM1 | kergoth: joy. |
| 22:30.53 | kergoth | zauruslover: weird |
| 22:31.07 | kergoth | TMM1: hehe. i can see it now.. me: "hey aman, start tapping!" |
| 22:31.10 | zauruslover | the moment I remove OpenSSH, that does not happen ... this is on the C750 though ... don't know about the C700 |
| 22:31.20 | TMM1 | kergoth: yea, really |
| 22:31.38 | TMM1 | prolly be better to do that over phone if we end up having to do that |
| 22:31.55 | kergoth | TMM1: yeah. gotta love free long distance cell plans, just use minutes, no biggie |
| 22:33.31 | TMM1 | heh yep |
| 22:34.21 | TMM1 | 2.4.21-rc7-ck1 |
| 22:34.22 | TMM1 | yum |
| 22:34.24 | TMM1 | no, rc8 |
| 22:34.26 | TMM1 | heh |
| 22:34.34 | TMM1 | but too bad i can't use desktop performance patches |
| 22:34.37 | TMM1 | since it breaks pcmcia |
| 22:34.45 | treke | yup |
| 22:34.47 | treke | suckage |
| 22:34.51 | TMM1 | indeed |
| 22:35.02 | treke | bastards |
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| 22:38.17 | TMM1 | WHAT |
| 22:38.28 | TMM1 | blah |
| 22:39.10 | TMM1 | why oh why |
| 22:39.35 | *** part/#openembedded zauruslover (~zaurus@128.107.176.120) |
| 22:48.49 | ljp_laptop | the guy with his own tinykate version still hasnt emailed me patches |
| 22:49.05 | TMM1 | don't you hate that |
| 22:49.27 | treke | fuck him |
| 22:49.50 | treke | he's the one that bitches about the bugs in opies version, right? |
| 22:50.40 | ljp_laptop | probably. I have asked about 4 times for patch |
| 22:50.49 | ljp_laptop | there's no code for dl either |
| 22:51.02 | treke | sick the fsf on him |
| 22:53.34 | ljp_laptop | naaa.. |
| 22:53.41 | ljp_laptop | he's not selling it |
| 22:54.03 | pb_ | you can only really sick the fsf on him if it's code that the fsf holds copyright in, anyway. |
| 22:54.30 | treke | yeah but they like being pig fuckers |
| 22:54.35 | TMM1 | heh |
| 22:54.51 | TMM1 | hes providing a binary/ |
| 22:54.54 | pb_ | treke: oh yeah |
| 22:58.23 | ljp_laptop | .au has poisonous snails?!? |
| 22:58.33 | TMM1 | heh |
| 22:58.36 | TMM1 | what doesn't au have |
| 22:58.36 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I have 7 hours to spent in amsterdam |
| 22:58.42 | ljp_laptop | man, they probably have poisonous moths |
| 22:58.51 | ljp_laptop | cool. fun ride |
| 22:59.54 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: I wonder if I have enouht of 64mb for my digital cam ... 1239 cad for the ticket |
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| 23:00.45 | ljp_laptop | ouch |
| 23:01.02 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: montreal-amsterdam-prague |
| 23:01.30 | TMM1 | they have poisonous females |
| 23:02.06 | chouimat | TMM1: I will bring you some photo of the dutch chicks and the czech oones ok :) |
| 23:02.16 | Solar[X] | And they charge for transferring a STD. |
| 23:03.28 | TMM1 | chouimat: great |
| 23:04.22 | _Psycho | oh god, that damn buildroot c700 kernel still not building on my pc :/ |
| 23:08.20 | treke | _Psycho: I'd be willing to be there has not been a single change to it in a month |
| 23:08.27 | _Psycho | i know |
| 23:08.43 | chouimat | fuck! the Alexander Keith's India Pale ale 6 pack don't last very long |
| 23:09.20 | _Psycho | Im getting a : Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET__IMM) not fixed up in the file getuser.S under /usr/src/oz/oz/build/arch/arm/lub |
| 23:09.25 | ljp_laptop | hopefully, you have a 6 hour layover in amsterdam :D |
| 23:09.26 | _Psycho | any suggestion ? |
| 23:09.33 | treke | _Psycho: get a nonbroken toolchain |
| 23:09.41 | treke | chouimat: no alcohol lasts long around you |
| 23:09.50 | _Psycho | I deleted my /usr/calo/arm rebuild it, i updated my local gcc, i redid a french bk clone |
| 23:09.56 | _Psycho | gcc 3.2 |
| 23:09.58 | _Psycho | hmmm well |
| 23:10.01 | _Psycho | i guess i try that |
| 23:10.04 | treke | download one |
| 23:10.10 | _Psycho | everything else was building fine ;) |
| 23:10.18 | _Psycho | openzaurus ? |
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| 23:10.26 | treke | yes\ |
| 23:11.43 | _Psycho | hmm cross-3.2.-oz-3.tar.bz2 47 megs, i guess i try that 6 april |
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| 23:34.17 | chouimat | hey tzanger |
| 23:34.18 | tzanger | is there an equivalent to Magic SysRq when over serial? |
| 23:34.20 | tzanger | hey chouimat |
| 23:34.55 | tzanger | heh |
| 23:35.06 | tzanger | spendign too much time fighting the online fileserving crowd |
| 23:35.35 | chouimat | tzanger: now I buy it for 12cad I will sell it for 5 cad tomorrow |
| 23:35.44 | tzanger | yeah that is what sucks |
| 23:36.08 | chouimat | tzanger: know newsted their ex-bass player ? |
| 23:36.22 | tzanger | nope |
| 23:37.37 | chouimat | tzanger: he's playing now in a canadian band called voivod |
| 23:37.47 | tzanger | that's kind of cool |
| 23:37.52 | tzanger | he left metallica or was kicked out |
| 23:37.53 | tzanger | ? |
| 23:38.20 | chouimat | tzanger: was the metal head of the band |
| 23:38.24 | tzanger | hmm |
| 23:41.17 | _Psycho | treke you around ? |
| 23:43.43 | treke | 66yes |
| 23:45.10 | _Psycho | ok i think i got it, i install the new gcc 3.2 |
| 23:45.24 | _Psycho | but binutisl and stuff was removing it everytime |
| 23:45.36 | treke | wait... you should be use gcc 2 for the kernel :p |
| 23:45.50 | _Psycho | gah really ? |
| 23:45.55 | treke | yeah |
| 23:47.47 | tzanger | bah |
| 23:47.52 | tzanger | now I have to go in to work to reboot hte bugger |
| 23:48.04 | tzanger | hardlock... magicsysrq don't work over serial either |
| 23:48.44 | tzanger | I think this acenic card and mobo just are not compatible |
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