| 00:00.00 | ljp_laptop | I was at my parents house and watched a show called, 'Surf Girls', and they were surfing near Brisbane, in Gold COast |
| 00:00.13 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: pervert :) |
| 00:00.35 | ljp_laptop | ohh, they were a bit young, but nice sirfers |
| 00:00.38 | ljp_laptop | surfers |
| 00:00.44 | ljp_laptop | I wanna be a surfer! |
| 00:00.57 | chouimat | hehe |
| 00:04.14 | chouimat | hmmm I need a good album while I put the finishing touch to this report |
| 00:13.48 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 00:20.46 | ljp_laptop | mmmmm surf girls |
| 00:21.45 | drw | I hear they go for linux hackers... |
| 00:21.54 | drw | :) |
| 00:22.00 | ljp_laptop | really. great |
| 00:26.36 | chouimat | lol |
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| 00:27.41 | ljp_laptop | actually, I am boxing things up to move outta here |
| 00:33.25 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: another 3 months :) |
| 00:33.32 | ljp_laptop | wonder if kergoth made it to dallas yet |
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| 00:37.12 | drw | ljp_laptop: he wasn't there as of Friday noon... |
| 00:38.04 | ljp_laptop | he left friday |
| 00:38.06 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 00:38.30 | ljp_laptop | man. wtf do I bring, and wtf do I leave, and wtf do I send later?!? |
| 00:39.03 | ljp_laptop | I can either, start new. or bring lots of stuff |
| 00:40.00 | drw | bring: shorts, sandals...leave behind: snow shovel |
| 00:41.17 | ljp_laptop | I dont own a snow shovel. its against my religion to shovel snow |
| 00:42.38 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: cat == later |
| 00:44.09 | ljp_laptop | if at all |
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| 02:11.53 | ljp_laptop | heh just got an email. 'how can I change an .IPK file into a .CPP file?' |
| 02:12.22 | treke|laptop | with the mv command |
| 02:12.30 | _Psycho | bingo ! |
| 02:12.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_laptop: rm file.ipk; touch file.cpp |
| 02:13.12 | ljp_laptop | hehe |
| 02:13.45 | ljp_laptop | mv file.ipk file.cpp |
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| 03:08.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot rfc |
| 03:08.24 | | TheMasterMind1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 04:01.36 | harv | sup all |
| 04:03.08 | harv | i'm attempting to learn about cross-compilation and development for the zaurus. I've got the toolchain setup and I can compile for x86 arch. or arm arch. However, when I attempt to execute a binary (compiled for the arm arch.) on the zaurus, i get an error stating libqtopia.so.1 - no such file or directory. |
| 04:03.26 | harv | Forgive me for being such a newbie...but am I doing something wrong here? |
| 04:03.48 | ljp_laptop_ | you have QPEDIR setup? |
| 04:03.49 | harv | I compiled a demo application provided with Qtopia 1.6.1 |
| 04:03.57 | treke|home | you coumpiled against qpe 1.6 |
| 04:04.00 | harv | ljp_laptop_: yepper |
| 04:04.08 | treke|home | the zaurus runs 1.5 and doesnt have the same libraries |
| 04:04.23 | harv | treke|home: ahh...i figured it was something like that :( |
| 04:04.31 | treke|home | well a 1.4/1.5 hybrid from reports |
| 04:04.37 | ljp_laptop_ | true. there is a sharp zaurus qtopia sdk available from sharps site |
| 04:04.38 | harv | man...been working all day on this :D |
| 04:04.52 | harv | ljp_laptop_: i see...tks yall |
| 04:05.16 | harv | ljp_laptop_: sorry to trouble you again man :D I did get the compile issues worked out at least :D |
| 04:05.34 | harv | ljp_laptop_: we chatted earlier today |
| 04:05.50 | harv | i'm assuming sharp's site is www.zaurus.com??? |
| 04:06.44 | harv | or are yall referring to the old sharpsec.developer.com site? |
| 04:07.29 | ljp_laptop_ | ya zaurus.com |
| 04:07.48 | harv | one other question...i'm actually running openzaurus and not the original kernel provided by sharp....how does this affect my development for the zaurus/ |
| 04:12.38 | ljp_laptop_ | *gasp*! you are running oz? |
| 04:12.53 | ljp_laptop_ | then you need opie |
| 04:12.59 | ljp_laptop_ | or maybe the oe buildroot |
| 04:13.21 | harv | ljp_laptop_: hehe...yepper...i've been running it for some time now... |
| 04:13.48 | harv | ljp_laptop_: forgive me for being such a newbie...a friend of mine told me that oz was better as a development platform |
| 04:13.58 | harv | ljp_laptop_: lemme guess...he was wrong, right? |
| 04:14.21 | ljp_laptop_ | uuuhhh. couldnt tell ya. ;) |
| 04:14.36 | ljp_laptop_ | actually I am biased for opie |
| 04:15.08 | ljp_laptop_ | soon I will have to be biased for qtopia |
| 04:15.47 | harv | ljp_laptop_: yeah, i was looking at the screenshots of it on trolltech today...man it looks sweet! |
| 04:16.04 | treke|home | looks sweet? it looks just like qpe :) |
| 04:18.16 | ljp_laptop_ | qtopia 1.6.1 is nice |
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| 04:20.33 | ljp_laptop_ | my cat is on the poarch, debugging |
| 04:24.38 | ljp_laptop_ | porch |
| 04:25.24 | tiptone | i had to debug the lazy dog |
| 04:26.52 | tiptone | ljp_laptop_: do you know what the long-term opie PIM format is? |
| 04:29.11 | ljp_laptop_ | we will be switching to sqlite db I believe |
| 04:41.13 | ljp_laptop_ | whay up. G? |
| 04:42.26 | ljp_laptop_ | bbl |
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| 05:18.32 | heatxsink | can anyone help me? |
| 05:18.40 | treke|home | no |
| 05:18.43 | Bala | its possible.. |
| 05:18.44 | heatxsink | thanks |
| 05:18.48 | heatxsink | treke |
| 05:19.17 | heatxsink | how about help me problem solve this? |
| 05:19.23 | Bala | just ask the question.. if someone answers they answer.. if they dont they dont.. |
| 05:19.49 | heatxsink | when I run a "make" i get this error http://www.csupomona.edu/~nagranado/HELP |
| 05:20.15 | heatxsink | thank you all in advance |
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| 05:20.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:21.03 | TheMasterMind1 | heatxsink: make SUBDIRS=packages/mtd clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/mtd clean_sources; make SUBDIRS=packages/mtd package |
| 05:22.11 | heatxsink | I get the same Error... |
| 05:22.29 | treke|home | mrproper |
| 05:26.01 | heatxsink | I did a "make mrproper" |
| 05:26.10 | heatxsink | died on same error again! |
| 05:26.36 | heatxsink | I've looked through the /docs "BUILD" file |
| 05:26.40 | heatxsink | followed all of those directions |
| 05:26.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 05:26.47 | TheMasterMind1 | seems like theres a problem in the mtd source |
| 05:26.51 | heatxsink | still yields the same...problem |
| 05:27.15 | heatxsink | but everyone else is able to make their source!!! |
| 05:27.34 | treke|home | no |
| 05:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | whats on lines 7 and 8 of that file |
| 05:27.48 | treke|home | everyone else can build the copy of the source they downloaded |
| 05:27.48 | TheMasterMind1 | /usr/src/buildroot-oz/build/mtd/util/crc32.h |
| 05:27.55 | treke|home | that isnt necesarrilly the same as yours |
| 05:29.11 | heatxsink | k |
| 05:29.50 | heatxsink | line 8: extern const uint32_t crc32_table[256]; |
| 05:30.00 | TheMasterMind1 | and 7 and 9 |
| 05:30.01 | heatxsink | line 7: <blank> |
| 05:31.00 | heatxsink | line 9: <blank> |
| 05:32.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok, go up and down until you find a nonblank line |
| 05:32.06 | TheMasterMind1 | and tell me what they are |
| 05:32.22 | heatxsink | line 10 |
| 05:32.25 | heatxsink | oops |
| 05:32.33 | heatxsink | line 10: /* Return a 32-bit CRC of the contents of the buffer. */ |
| 05:32.41 | heatxsink | line 11: <blank> |
| 05:32.52 | heatxsink | line 12: static inline uint32_t |
| 05:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | beofre |
| 05:33.02 | TheMasterMind1 | not after |
| 05:33.05 | TheMasterMind1 | the error is before |
| 05:33.10 | heatxsink | oh |
| 05:33.11 | heatxsink | sorry |
| 05:33.23 | heatxsink | line 6: include <linux/types.h> |
| 05:33.29 | heatxsink | line 6: #include <linux/types.h> |
| 05:33.43 | heatxsink | line 5: <blank> |
| 05:33.55 | heatxsink | line 4: /* $Id: crc32.h,v 1.4 2002/01/03 15:20:44 dwmw2 Exp $ */ |
| 05:34.02 | heatxsink | line 3: <blank> |
| 05:34.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 05:34.06 | TheMasterMind1 | thats odd |
| 05:34.14 | heatxsink | line 2: #define CRC32_H |
| 05:34.31 | heatxsink | line 1: #ifndef CRC32_H |
| 05:34.36 | heatxsink | TheMasterMind1: what is odd? |
| 05:34.48 | TheMasterMind1 | no errors in the code that i can see |
| 05:36.20 | TheMasterMind1 | put a line break between each of the spaces in line 8 |
| 05:36.25 | TheMasterMind1 | and try make again |
| 05:40.20 | heatxsink | nope |
| 05:40.23 | heatxsink | same error |
| 05:40.55 | TheMasterMind1 | what line |
| 05:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | line 8 still? |
| 05:41.05 | heatxsink | yes |
| 05:42.48 | heatxsink | crazy huh? |
| 05:44.04 | heatxsink | could it be ---- >uint32_t that type? in types.h? |
| 05:44.31 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be defined |
| 05:45.17 | heatxsink | typedef __u32 u_int32_t; |
| 05:45.53 | heatxsink | /usr/include/linux/types.h |
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| 06:52.20 | schurig | mickeyl|away: Moin! |
| 06:52.41 | schurig | mickeyl|away: i would put the bootlogo into /usr/share, not into /etc. Binary data files in /etc is not that much LSM :-) |
| 07:04.19 | schurig | yeiazel: moin! |
| 07:08.27 | yeiazel | moin |
| 07:08.53 | yeiazel | work sux |
| 07:08.57 | yeiazel | wanna sleep... |
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| 07:27.35 | schurig | yeiazel: you have the wrong work. My work is fun :-) |
| 07:27.53 | yeiazel | schurig: *your* work, not mine :) |
| 07:32.31 | sonix` | yo, anyone here made a wireless antenna? |
| 07:43.34 | schurig | sonix`: maybe on #wireless? |
| 08:00.51 | sonix` | damn brotha |
| 08:00.52 | sonix` | chill! |
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| 08:49.16 | schurig | cmartin: hi |
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| 08:57.55 | mickeyl | schurig: the SIMpad folks asked me which bootloader they should try porting. what should I recommend? The options I know are CRL_bootldr, blob and RedBoot. How bout that submarine (U-Boot) you are using? :D |
| 08:58.53 | schurig | mickeyl: that one is a quite powerful bootloader, but not-os-complicated as RedBoot or CRL_bootldr |
| 08:59.32 | schurig | mickeyl: once thing that I didn't like about u-boot was the fact that you need to put your kernel/initrd/whatever in a special image. I changed this bootloader so that he can directly boot a zImage from Flash |
| 09:06.42 | mickeyl | schurig: was that patch integrated into the mainstream uboot code? |
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| 09:16.42 | schurig | mickeyl: no, but it's somewhere in the mailing list over there |
| 09:16.57 | schurig | and I can send it to you if you like :-) |
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| 09:22.19 | cmartin | mickeyl: is it correct that on/off switch on the simpad cannot turn the simpad off but it can turn it on? |
| 09:24.18 | Twiun | mornin' |
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| 09:31.29 | mickeyl | cmartin: no, i can turn mine off without problems |
| 09:34.53 | cmartin | mickeyl: well with my newly made image (yesterday) it doesn't turn off - only the Suspend in opie menu turns it off - any ideas? |
| 09:37.07 | mickeyl | do you have debug out on the console? |
| 09:37.19 | mickeyl | is there something like "Unable to open initial console" |
| 09:37.33 | cmartin | i used your config from buildroot |
| 09:37.55 | cmartin | i'll check |
| 09:38.09 | mickeyl | good |
| 09:38.26 | mickeyl | unable to open initial console makes that on/off watchdog crash |
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| 09:59.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: no "Unable to open initial console" doesn't come |
| 10:04.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: strange is the fact that i can turn it ON even after suspending with opie menu ?? |
| 10:04.48 | mickeyl | cmartin: very strange. |
| 10:05.26 | mickeyl | cmartin: basically the kernel differs in two ways from your old. 1.) jpm2 and 2.) the kernel commandline |
| 10:05.52 | mickeyl | cmartin: try using the commandline from your old kernel so that we can know if its jpm2 or the altered cmdline |
| 10:07.42 | cmartin | the command line doesn't look altered - mtdparts=sa1100:512k(boot),1m(kernel),-(root) console=ttySA root=1f02 mem=64M |
| 10:10.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: just sent you my boot messages (jpm2 kernel) via mail |
| 10:10.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: maybe you notice something |
| 10:13.07 | mickeyl | no. looking good. |
| 10:13.21 | mickeyl | might be a problem with jpm2 |
| 10:13.52 | mickeyl | you can create a diff between jpm1 and the current state of the cvs and review if something critical has been touched |
| 10:14.19 | mickeyl | i can't test it myself until later this evening |
| 10:15.03 | mickeyl | cmartin: but another thing! when you can't suspend the device with the on/off switch you have an opportunity to test something for me :D |
| 10:15.42 | mickeyl | please start opie with /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe and have a look @ my switches debug out when you press the on/off button |
| 10:15.58 | cmartin | k |
| 10:16.14 | mickeyl | i'd like to know if the on/off button is detected or if nothing happens |
| 10:16.23 | sonix` | hi |
| 10:22.14 | cmartin | mickeyl: you use mdk also - my usbnet doesn't work |
| 10:22.21 | mickeyl | mine does :) |
| 10:22.25 | sonix` | humm |
| 10:22.29 | mickeyl | maybe you have the wrong usb host module installed |
| 10:22.35 | mickeyl | hold on, i'll post my lsmod |
| 10:22.42 | sonix` | anyone know how i can install linux on a computer that has windows and no cdrom or floppy? :) |
| 10:23.26 | mickeyl | cmartin: you must use uhci, _not_ usb-uhci |
| 10:23.43 | mickeyl | sonix`: sure. get yourself an ethernet card which supports booting over bootp |
| 10:24.19 | cmartin | inhave ohci |
| 10:24.28 | cmartin | s/ i have ohci |
| 10:24.32 | sonix` | mickeyl grr i dont have teh friggen chip! |
| 10:24.41 | sonix` | plus, how can I setup a bootp server or whatever |
| 10:24.57 | cmartin | and usb-ohci |
| 10:26.40 | cmartin | mickeyl: do i need usbnet or usbdnet? |
| 10:27.32 | mickeyl | usbnet! |
| 10:27.35 | mickeyl | Not usbdnet! |
| 10:27.48 | mickeyl | and remove usb-ohci |
| 10:28.23 | mickeyl | sonix`: no idea offhand. but that's pretty good documented. google for it |
| 10:29.50 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW, i have a simpad feed up at http://opensimpad.org/fileadmin/feeds/opensimpad/3.3.1 |
| 10:29.59 | sonix` | 403 |
| 10:30.04 | sonix` | forbidden. |
| 10:30.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. when did you built ? i added a few things yesterday nite to oz-base-sysvinit and opie-pics |
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| 10:31.44 | cmartin | this morning |
| 10:32.10 | cmartin | ok i should bk pull them and recompile those packages |
| 10:33.53 | mickeyl | yes. rebuild oz-base and opie |
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| 10:37.48 | cmartin | mickeyl: does mrproper do |
| 10:39.26 | mickeyl | do what? |
| 10:40.45 | mickeyl | oh it wasn't a question ok. |
| 10:41.21 | mickeyl | make sure that you don't have your sources directory overwritten via Vars.local - in this case mrproper won't clear it iirc. |
| 10:41.52 | cmartin | ok . that's what i wanted to know |
| 10:42.43 | cmartin | mickeyl: back to usbnet - my dmesg says: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=14 (error=-110) |
| 10:43.44 | mickeyl | mandrake version? |
| 10:45.54 | cmartin | 9.1 |
| 10:47.54 | mickeyl | hmm... works pretty good here. what modules are loaded? |
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| 11:08.24 | cmartin | usbnet usbserial usb-storage usbcore 57536 1 [usbnet pl2303 usbserial usb-storage] |
| 11:10.18 | mickeyl | where is uhci ? |
| 11:10.49 | pb_ | he said he was using ohci. |
| 11:11.36 | mickeyl | ? |
| 11:11.46 | pb_ | <cmartin> inhave ohci |
| 11:11.46 | pb_ | <cmartin> s/ i have ohci |
| 11:12.02 | mickeyl | hmm... |
| 11:12.22 | mickeyl | then use uhci |
| 11:12.30 | pb_ | not really an option, if your hardware is ohci. |
| 11:12.41 | mickeyl | ok. can't help then. |
| 11:12.43 | pb_ | I don't think you can buy uhci plugin cards. |
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| 11:35.17 | mickeyl|lunch | wb |
| 11:38.01 | cmartin | Rechner abgestürtzt :( |
| 11:38.39 | mickeyl|lunch | autsch |
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| 11:56.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: my usbnet problem is probably a kernel problem |
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| 11:57.05 | cmartin | mickeyl: i forgot to mention that i had to instal a 2.4.19 kernel, since the mdk 2.4.21 kernel had ide bugs that were being seen on my laptop |
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| 12:05.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: just recompiling opie, but i didn't see anything in sources for oz-base |
| 12:09.43 | cmartin | mickeyl: i may have found the problem with usbnet - just setting noapic in boot options and rebooting now |
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| 12:37.51 | Speedy2 | ibot seen timriker |
| 12:37.51 | | timriker <~timr@c-67-163-110-34.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2d 10h 40m 4s ago, saying: 'cool.'. |
| 12:37.54 | absentiaS | re |
| 12:37.57 | Speedy2 | re |
| 12:46.58 | mickeyl | cmartin: yeah, oz-base doesn't need a dedicate source from upstream. it is self-contained |
| 12:47.23 | mickeyl | cmartin: just integrating the newest jpm2 - I |
| 12:47.32 | mickeyl | 'm pretty curious what Peter did with apm |
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| 13:14.30 | cmartin | mickeyl: just updated opie and oz-base packages in feed |
| 13:14.57 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. i made an error in the linux-kernel Makefile |
| 13:15.05 | mickeyl | that may be the cause for your on/off problems |
| 13:15.11 | mickeyl | currently fixing this. |
| 13:15.32 | ljp_laptop | http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/oss/pi/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw09PerfInpect |
| 13:16.13 | cmartin | mickeyl:what was the error? |
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| 13:17.34 | cmartin | mickeyl: news and TODO is updated on the hompepage too |
| 13:17.35 | mickeyl | cmartin: i accidantly mixed up simpad.config with simpad-debug.config |
| 13:17.47 | cmartin | oooh |
| 13:17.48 | mickeyl | cmartin: reading that atm - nice |
| 13:18.28 | mickeyl | pushing the changes as soon as the kernel compiled |
| 13:18.33 | mickeyl | 5 min |
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| 13:19.15 | mickeyl | cmartin: err... kernel doesn't compile |
| 13:19.42 | mickeyl | ./usr/local/projects/opensimpad/build/linux-2.4.19/include/linux/modules/pcipool.ver:7: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 13:19.42 | mickeyl | simpad_pm.c: In function `simpad_hal_init_module': |
| 13:19.42 | mickeyl | simpad_pm.c:130: `sa1100fb_blank_helper' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:21.22 | cmartin | mickeyl: that's with newest jpm2? |
| 13:22.50 | mickeyl | ya |
| 13:37.13 | mickeyl | i guess he missed to checkin a few bits |
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| 14:00.33 | bipolar | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 14:00.33 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (2d 19h 40m 13s) #uclibc (2d 19h 40m 13s) #picogui (2d 19h 40m 13s) #tuxscreen (2d 19h 40m 13s) #zaurus (2d 19h 40m 13s) #elinux (2d 19h 40m 13s) #openembedded (2d 19h 40m 13s) #handhelds.org (2d 19h 40m 13s) #openzaurus (2d 19h 40m 13s) |
| 14:01.14 | mickeyl | bipolar: hasn't been here for a few days |
| 14:01.30 | bipolar | hope he made it to TX ok |
| 14:01.42 | bipolar | zecke: you awake? |
| 14:03.42 | ljp_laptop | today is supposed to be his first day at TI |
| 14:05.52 | killefiz | mickeyl: a bit late but - the keyboard repeat works fine for me |
| 14:06.22 | bipolar | man... the last build I could make broke suspend via the button. I had to make an icon that called 'apm -s' |
| 14:10.16 | ljp_laptop | hehee |
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| 14:14.01 | Twiun | hey gila |
| 14:14.15 | mark | hi Twiun, gila |
| 14:14.17 | gila | Twiun: hi ;-) |
| 14:14.21 | gila | hi mark |
| 14:14.35 | Twiun | mark: started revising yet, or still procrastinating? |
| 14:15.09 | mark | Twiun: heh, i've started. managing about 4 hours a day atm, and procrastinating for the rest :) |
| 14:18.28 | cmartin | killefiz: i would sure like to know why your simpad boots so fast and mine and mickeyl's takes about 4-5min. |
| 14:18.45 | cmartin | killefiz: BTW i updated the news and TOD at opensimpad.org and set up a feed at http://opensimpad.org/fileadmin/feeds/opensimpad/3.3.1 |
| 14:19.12 | cmartin | killefiz: i would sure like to know why your simpad boots so fast and mine and mickeyl's takes about 4-5min. |
| 14:19.19 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.09 | cmartin | mickeyl: could you explain where you made a mistake in your simpad-config? |
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| 14:23.50 | Twiun | Sugar: heard kergoth |
| 14:23.50 | Sugar | Twiun: I last heard kergoth on IRC 106h 17m 28s ago in channel #zaurus saying: :) |
| 14:25.21 | cmartin | mickeyl: oh i see it now - ifdef KERNEL-SIMPAD-DEBUG = simpad.config else simpad-debug.config |
| 14:25.32 | cmartin | mickeyl: should be the other way around ;) |
| 14:30.22 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
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| 14:34.41 | Twiun | hey beattie |
| 14:34.51 | Twiun | beattie: do I remember you working on the kernel? |
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| 14:43.33 | beattie | Twiun: yes you do |
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| 14:44.42 | Twiun | beattie: what bits were you tweaking? |
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| 14:46.12 | mickeyl | .)) |
| 14:46.14 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:46.28 | beattie | Im looking at 2.4.19,k I was trying to get it running withy a serial console, but could not |
| 14:46.39 | cmartin | mickeyl: sorry my internet connection was gone - was your error only the wrong "ifdef KERNEL-SIMPAD-DEBUG" thing the Makefile of kernel-simpad? |
| 14:47.02 | cmartin | mickeyl: or did you mean something else? |
| 14:47.02 | beattie | now I'm juts going to go ahead an see if I can patch it, I'm trying to add an MMC driver |
| 14:47.05 | mickeyl | cmartin: yes, that was (hopefully) the one and only error |
| 14:47.52 | cmartin | mickeyl: i just compiled a new kernel and am going to install a new image again |
| 14:48.00 | Twiun | beattie: good luck - could you tell me wether 2.4.19 has the same menu-button behaviour as 2.4.6? |
| 14:48.16 | Twiun | beattie: press-and-hold mimics the power button |
| 14:48.31 | cmartin | mickeyl: BTW what's the difference between simpad-initrd.bin and simpad-initrd.serload in images? |
| 14:48.33 | mickeyl | cmartin: good. i hope my oz-base and opie-changes work |
| 14:48.50 | mickeyl | cmartin: simpad-initrd.bin is only the initrd, .serload is also the kernel |
| 14:49.00 | mickeyl | .serload is the only thing serload works with |
| 14:49.04 | beattie | Twiun: not really, I have not gotten it running completely |
| 14:49.18 | mickeyl | cmartin: don't use simpad-initrd.bin - it has no boothdr. it is only a tempfile in that sense |
| 14:49.20 | beattie | the kernel runs, but opie does not |
| 14:49.40 | Twiun | beattie: ah. the behaviour I'm looking at isn't in opie - it's in the raw console |
| 14:50.15 | cmartin | mickeyl: then what is the defference between initrd.bin and simpad-initrd.bin? |
| 14:50.33 | cmartin | is initrd.bin only the jffs2 rootdisk? |
| 14:50.42 | beattie | well with out the serial console, I can't read the console, opie errors scroll too fast. |
| 14:51.27 | beattie | Twiun: the only thing I have does it to rset it and watch the messages scroll by :) |
| 14:51.53 | Twiun | beattie: lol. I've completely removed opie from my initrd |
| 14:52.10 | killefiz | cmartin: [boot-time] i can send you my kernel-config later - i haven't changed anything |
| 14:52.41 | killefiz | maybe we should find out first if the speed difference is in the time from "poweron" -> jffs2 mount or after the jffs2-mount. |
| 14:52.49 | killefiz | (probably the 2nd one) |
| 14:53.02 | beattie | Twiun: I'd like to concentrate on the kerenl and not have to figure out all te other build stuff :) |
| 14:53.24 | Twiun | beattie: what Z do you have? |
| 14:53.29 | beattie | 5500 |
| 14:53.42 | Twiun | beattie: I could give you the config for the initrd I've got |
| 14:54.31 | Twiun | beattie: only the bare essentials |
| 14:54.31 | beattie | Twiun: that might help, thanks |
| 14:55.00 | cmartin | killefiz: i think it's still the debug stuff - mickeyl had the "ifdef KERNEL-SIMPAD-DEBUG" in the Makefile of kernel-simpad set wrong - i'm loading a new image now |
| 14:55.19 | Twiun | beattie: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/bare_initrd.config |
| 14:55.59 | beattie | Twiun: thanks |
| 14:56.35 | Twiun | beattie: np |
| 15:02.59 | cmartin | mickeyl: i don't think your kernel command line works - my simpad say booting kernel and that's it |
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| 15:04.11 | cmartin | mickeyl: i'm taking out the ",115200" after your console=ttySA and moving "rw" right behind the root= option (donno if that matters) |
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| 15:34.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:34.15 | cmartin | my internet was gone from 16:50 - so any messages to me in this time were not recieved |
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| 15:41.12 | cmartin | i get a kernel oops with your config mickeyl |
| 15:41.26 | cmartin | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000004 |
| 15:42.47 | mickeyl | cmartin: ouch |
| 15:42.59 | mickeyl | cmartin: was that jpm2 or jpm1 ? |
| 15:43.42 | cmartin | jpm2 |
| 15:44.22 | mickeyl | hmm... damn. if you can, please play around with the config. maybe the 115200 or the rw is making problems. must prepare a lecture now - i can test later this evening... |
| 15:44.28 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 15:49.03 | chouimat | hmmm nice download site: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1089 |
| 15:50.37 | tiptone | chouimat: just read some discussion regarding that over at DevNet |
| 15:54.21 | chouimat | tiptone: and? |
| 15:54.59 | tiptone | chouimat: i hope someone picks it up, i like the idea of java on the Z |
| 15:55.27 | tiptone | though after a weeknd of developing with PyQt, my opinion has been swayed... |
| 15:56.37 | lsmith | funky .. mysql 4 client is gpl |
| 15:56.44 | absentiaS | better or worse? |
| 15:56.51 | absentiaS | I have ot decide python... and pyqt |
| 15:56.55 | absentiaS | or perl and perlqt? |
| 15:57.04 | absentiaS | what does python offer over perl ? |
| 15:57.33 | lsmith | cleaness? |
| 15:57.46 | lsmith | beauty |
| 15:57.54 | tiptone | ditto |
| 15:57.59 | absentiaS | beauty? |
| 15:58.08 | absentiaS | I leanred python by hacking tmda |
| 15:58.16 | absentiaS | the indenting is interesting. |
| 15:58.42 | tiptone | the indenting was a new one for me |
| 15:58.57 | absentiaS | I mena, beauty of qt? |
| 15:59.00 | absentiaS | or of the language? |
| 15:59.04 | absentiaS | I liked perltk |
| 15:59.10 | absentiaS | power of perl |
| 15:59.12 | absentiaS | beauty of tk widgets. |
| 15:59.19 | lsmith | python .. qt is not beautiful :-) |
| 15:59.38 | lsmith | anyways ... anything is beautiful next to perl :-) |
| 15:59.40 | tiptone | in the eye of the beholder =) |
| 16:00.18 | tiptone | i don't care for perl, php is nicer |
| 16:00.28 | treke | even c and gtk? |
| 16:00.29 | treke | php? ick :p |
| 16:00.34 | absentiaS | ya, I agree with qt |
| 16:00.42 | absentiaS | hehe |
| 16:00.50 | tiptone | ick, right after you mentioned C? HAHA |
| 16:01.07 | absentiaS | what's wrong with my perl? |
| 16:01.09 | absentiaS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.09 | absentiaS | =\n)@ig); |
| 16:01.18 | treke | absentiaS: needs more line noise |
| 16:01.22 | absentiaS | php is a joke. |
| 16:01.24 | tiptone | nobody knows, that's the problem =) |
| 16:01.33 | tiptone | bite your tongue. |
| 16:01.39 | absentiaS | treke: merlyn says my perl scares'm ... most people say it's indistinguishable from linenoise. |
| 16:01.51 | absentiaS | I have actually had perl tell me that one of my regexps was too complicated for it and perl gave up |
| 16:02.10 | absentiaS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.14 | absentiaS | that's the line just before the last. |
| 16:03.07 | cmartin | killefiz: ping |
| 16:03.37 | killefiz | cmartin: pong |
| 16:04.32 | cmartin | killefiz: could you send me you kernel config - the one in buildroot doesn't work - or the jpm2 patch doesn't work - i would like to cancel one out |
| 16:12.09 | killefiz | cmartin: mail sent |
| 16:13.40 | cmartin | thanx, ok if you only changed jffs debug then it is probably the jpm2 patch |
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| 16:20.13 | chouimat | hi ljp_laptop |
| 16:20.22 | cmartin | killefiz: are you using jpm1 or jpm2 |
| 16:21.32 | ljp_laptop | hey choui, whazzzzzzz up? |
| 16:21.36 | killefiz | cmartin: jpm1 |
| 16:21.53 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: working on a app |
| 16:22.47 | ljp_laptop | me too, kinda |
| 16:22.52 | ljp_laptop | several, really. |
| 16:23.28 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: just learned I will probably have 2 weeks to port linux and write a prog on an industrial computer |
| 16:23.52 | ljp_laptop | fun fun |
| 16:24.20 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: yupp but I will able to put that on my resume (not the prog but the port) |
| 16:25.06 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 16:25.15 | ljp_laptop | everything is resume fodder |
| 16:25.32 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: yup but mine is allready 3 pages |
| 16:25.35 | ljp_laptop | 1994: Spanked cat with a board |
| 16:25.55 | ljp_laptop | 1995: used linux to electrocute a cricket |
| 16:26.27 | treke | 2003: got drunk |
| 16:26.44 | ljp_laptop | 2003: got drunk while using linux |
| 16:26.45 | chouimat | 1995 got married |
| 16:27.15 | chouimat | 1996 got caught with 2 girls by my mother in law while her ddaughter was away |
| 16:27.19 | ljp_laptop | 1996: committed to insane asylum |
| 16:28.11 | treke | chouimat: oops :) |
| 16:28.32 | chouimat | treke: hehee |
| 16:29.01 | ljp_laptop | did you use the excuse, "It's not _my_ fault!" ? |
| 16:30.56 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: nah! I not what you think we are just rehearrsing for a play the we must do in school |
| 16:31.44 | ljp_laptop | heh.. a sex play |
| 16:31.44 | treke | <chouimat> the play was "Sex goddesses from quebec" |
| 16:32.22 | chouimat | treke: :) |
| 16:33.25 | ljp_laptop | or, "How the French language can make you horney" |
| 16:33.58 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: two words for those chicks: g-string and 38-D |
| 16:33.58 | treke | the classics |
| 16:35.03 | ljp_laptop | butt floss |
| 16:36.23 | ljp_laptop | are the audio drivers for oz modules? |
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| 16:42.29 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 16:44.39 | sonix` | when i buildroot, it makes a big image that I can use to flash my zaurus with. but, how does it allocate memory? |
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| 16:44.50 | sonix` | full memory for OZ and none for storage? |
| 16:45.03 | treke | depends on what kernel you use |
| 16:45.20 | sonix` | eh |
| 16:45.25 | sonix` | i just cvs'd whatever was there |
| 16:45.28 | sonix` | and built it |
| 16:45.44 | sonix` | doesnt that have more than what I have if i just download it from openzaurus.org? |
| 16:46.01 | treke | no |
| 16:46.55 | sonix` | i c. |
| 16:47.03 | sonix` | so i should just download it and flash my Z? |
| 16:47.22 | treke | flash a kernel and flash rootfs. |
| 16:49.48 | sonix` | oh! they're seperate! |
| 16:56.49 | sonix` | how do I format my CF and SD in the terminal? |
| 16:57.07 | bipolar | hmmm... kergoth posted on the Opie list, so he must still be alive. :) |
| 16:57.22 | treke | bipolar: he made it to work today :) |
| 16:57.28 | bipolar | hehe |
| 16:57.41 | bipolar | I gotta get some food. bbiab |
| 16:57.57 | sonix` | treke? |
| 16:58.06 | treke | sonix`: ? |
| 16:58.09 | sonix` | how do I format my CF and SD in the terminal? |
| 17:01.31 | treke | ibot documentation? |
| 17:01.32 | | i heard documentation is not the issue for why the new stuff isn't completed |
| 17:01.37 | treke | ibot rtfm? |
| 17:01.37 | | rtfm is, like, read the f*cking manual... try asking me about "FAQ" |
| 17:01.46 | treke | http://docs.zaurus.com |
| 17:03.08 | ljp_laptop | mkfs.ext |
| 17:07.08 | sonix` | #mkfs.msdos /dev/hda1 |
| 17:07.17 | sonix` | no such device or address |
| 17:07.28 | sonix` | but if i mount it, it says /dev/hda1 contains a mounted file system |
| 17:07.29 | sonix` | wtf? |
| 17:09.12 | kergoth` | sonix`: you cant format a mounted media. unmount, then mkfs. |
| 17:09.22 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 17:10.04 | sonix` | kergoth no such device or address |
| 17:10.10 | treke | mornin kergoth |
| 17:10.27 | kergoth | then you did something stupid like ejecting the card in opie, or your hda1 device is screwed up |
| 17:10.44 | sonix` | this is sharp rom |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | you have to *unmount*, not *eject*. pcmcia eject is a fair bit more than just an unmount |
| 17:10.49 | sonix` | i wanna install OZ |
| 17:10.54 | sonix` | so i want to format everything |
| 17:11.52 | sonix` | aha! |
| 17:11.55 | sonix` | wise kergoth! |
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| 17:21.13 | sonix` | WTF? |
| 17:21.19 | sonix` | it doesnt tell you its flashing? |
| 17:21.31 | sonix` | i have to wait until the mail and battery lights go out or something? |
| 17:21.54 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:21.55 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 17:22.00 | sonix` | heh |
| 17:22.01 | TheMasterMind1 | if the lights are on, its flashing |
| 17:22.04 | TheMasterMind1 | sonix`: what devie? |
| 17:22.05 | TheMasterMind1 | device |
| 17:22.11 | sonix` | it had a menu and such in the 5600 |
| 17:22.16 | sonix` | i have the 5500 now. |
| 17:22.23 | treke | use 3.2 on a 5500 |
| 17:22.35 | sonix` | ah! lights went out |
| 17:22.49 | sonix` | treke 3.2 has the fugly icons right? |
| 17:23.06 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 17:23.08 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 17:23.09 | treke | it has the same icons as current unstable |
| 17:23.17 | treke | and you do not know enough to use unstable |
| 17:23.29 | sonix` | 5600 had ugly icons |
| 17:23.32 | sonix` | i assume they're teh same. |
| 17:23.35 | icefox | oz doesn't use wlan-ng right? |
| 17:23.42 | mickeyl | totally right, icefox |
| 17:24.06 | treke | what does the 5600 have to do with Openzaurus |
| 17:24.16 | sonix` | o |
| 17:24.18 | sonix` | hahahaha |
| 17:24.27 | sonix` | i thought you meant Sharp rom v3.2 |
| 17:24.32 | ljp_laptop | I like sharps new icons |
| 17:24.32 | sonix` | isnt the latest 3.1? |
| 17:24.33 | treke | and once again. you do not know enough to be using unstable |
| 17:24.49 | sonix` | do i care about using unstable? |
| 17:26.53 | sonix` | uuuh, i see a grey screen with sharp in red. did i fuck up the flash again? |
| 17:27.54 | ljp_laptop | did you hit the reset button after the flash? |
| 17:28.18 | sonix` | after the lights went out |
| 17:29.05 | sonix` | is it supposed to say something when its done flashing? |
| 17:29.15 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 17:29.24 | treke | yes. "Great googli moogly" |
| 17:29.24 | beattie | is it initrd, or initrd.bin? |
| 17:29.25 | ljp_laptop | lights go out |
| 17:29.26 | sonix` | but the lights should go out, correct? |
| 17:29.35 | sonix` | initrd.bin , zImage.bin |
| 17:29.44 | ljp_laptop | zImage |
| 17:30.01 | beattie | ljp_laptop: that's what I thoought thanlks |
| 17:30.05 | sonix` | fuck |
| 17:30.29 | sonix` | oh well. |
| 17:31.12 | ljp_laptop | and initrd.bin |
| 17:31.21 | mickeyl | kernel experts: what is missing/wrong when a boot stops after Uncompressing Linux.............................................. done, booting the kernel. |
| 17:31.41 | pb_ | that's a fairly generic "broken kernel" kind of problem. |
| 17:31.46 | ljp_laptop | hmm, whats wrong is it wont boot |
| 17:31.56 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 17:32.13 | treke | man that took me forever to figure out |
| 17:32.16 | mickeyl | pb_: which of the executable file formats _must_ be compiled into ? |
| 17:32.19 | pb_ | mickeyl: none |
| 17:32.25 | mickeyl | none hmmm |
| 17:32.48 | pb_ | obviously if you have none, your options will be limited vis-a-vis running applications, but the kernel will still boot. |
| 17:33.01 | mickeyl | ok. |
| 17:33.20 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 17:33.25 | mickeyl | kergoth: sup! what's your status? how are u? |
| 17:33.55 | kergoth | hey pb, mickey |
| 17:34.05 | kergoth | status.. in texas |
| 17:34.12 | pb_ | got a ranch yet? |
| 17:34.20 | mickeyl | nice :) |
| 17:34.29 | beattie | kergoth: other than than that how are you :) |
| 17:34.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 17:34.56 | ljp_laptop | yo, cowboy, how's them doggies? |
| 17:36.45 | ljp_laptop | oh, I guess c'boys dont say 'yo' do they? |
| 17:37.18 | mickeyl | pb: what does the code 1f02 mean instead of giving a /dev/blabla path to root= on the kernel command line? |
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| 17:38.44 | pb_ | mickeyl: major 31, minor 2, I guess. |
| 17:39.20 | mickeyl | pb: hmmm.... oh. directly giving the devid... that could be. |
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| 17:40.03 | beattie | Twiun[afk]: what was your question about the 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 17:40.11 | mickeyl | wb schurig |
| 17:40.31 | pb_ | mickeyl: major 31 is mtd, by the way. |
| 17:40.37 | pb_ | so that'd be mtdblock2 |
| 17:41.15 | schurig | mickeyl: just killed my ksirc at work and started the one at home :-) |
| 17:41.19 | mickeyl | pb_: that's correct then. One of the things I changed since last kernel build was making 1f02 to /dev/mtdblock/2 |
| 17:41.24 | mickeyl | schurig: good one :) |
| 17:41.38 | mickeyl | schurig: you might want to use dircproxy |
| 17:41.38 | tiptone | mickeyl: wanted to say thanks again, your gentle nudge (w/ python) led to alot of learning |
| 17:41.50 | mickeyl | tiptone: hehe, no problem. thanx for the compliment |
| 17:42.00 | pb_ | mickeyl: you can't use "mtdblock/2" in root=, it must be mtdblock2. |
| 17:42.13 | schurig | ibot: afk? |
| 17:42.14 | | schurig: i don't know |
| 17:42.16 | Twiun | beattie: does pressing and holding the menu key show the same behaviour as the power key? |
| 17:42.18 | pb_ | the kernel will parse "mtdblock/2" as mtdblock0, which is seldom what's wanted. |
| 17:42.51 | mickeyl | pb_: really? i have seen this when using devfs as also acceptable. hmmm |
| 17:42.52 | beattie | Twiun: apparently not |
| 17:43.00 | schurig | mickeyl: you should know that some command line parsing stuff in the kernel uses the old names, not the devfs names. How said that we can't get as bad as M$ ? |
| 17:43.07 | pb_ | mickeyl: it's acceptable everywhere else, just not in root=. |
| 17:43.11 | mickeyl | schurig: hehe, seems to me, yeah |
| 17:43.22 | mickeyl | pb_: good to know. one error to eliminate. |
| 17:43.30 | mickeyl | maybe that was it... |
| 17:43.32 | pb_ | at least, that was the status last time I looked at that code. might have changed in very recent kernels, perhaps. |
| 17:43.43 | Twiun | beattie: good - that helps me narrow things down |
| 17:44.13 | beattie | now if I could just get the serial console to work |
| 17:46.18 | mickeyl | kergoth: read bk logs a bit? we made unbelievable progress with OE/SIMpad in the last two weeks |
| 17:46.47 | treke | kergoth: how is texas? |
| 17:46.51 | Twiun | kergoth: hey |
| 17:47.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, i saw that. if you didnt know, the openzaurus-cvslogs list now has bk changeset logs as people push them upstream. |
| 17:47.31 | Twiun | kergoth: how are they treating you in ti? |
| 17:47.41 | kergoth | treke: not bad, I like it overall. The heat will take some getting used to, and I've gotten lost like 15 times so far.. but.. |
| 17:47.48 | treke | hehe |
| 17:48.03 | sonix` | http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030609&s=byrd |
| 17:48.10 | schurig | kergoth: how can one get lost then ALL streets are only north/south and east/west ? |
| 17:48.22 | tiptone | kergoth: welcome to texas, what heat? |
| 17:48.29 | kergoth | Twiun: today's my first day, and I dont have a badge yet.. so i'm sitting in tim's cube wearing a visitor badge |
| 17:48.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: good to know. will subscribe that |
| 17:48.53 | treke | hehe you need a badge? |
| 17:49.16 | Twiun | kergoth: lol, so when are they putting you to work? |
| 17:49.36 | kergoth | treke: yeah, cant do a damn thing without it |
| 17:49.44 | kergoth | schurig: dunno, i somehow manage it |
| 17:50.05 | kergoth | Twiun: i'd assume whenever they get me a badge |
| 17:51.09 | kergoth | schurig: Do you have admin access to openzaurus.bkbits.net? I dont recall if i added you |
| 17:51.19 | schurig | kergoth: I once was in Abilene/TX some hundreds mile north of you |
| 17:51.37 | schurig | kergoth: no, not for openzaurus, just for oe |
| 17:51.53 | schurig | kergoth: or did you add me without telling me ? |
| 17:52.05 | kergoth | dont recall |
| 17:52.14 | schurig | kergoth: i'll try |
| 17:52.34 | chouimat|angry | kergoth: log at home and get you ssh key |
| 17:53.08 | kergoth | chouimat|angry: I dont have net access at my new apartment yet :) |
| 17:53.13 | kergoth | I just got into TX 2 days ago |
| 17:53.25 | schurig | kergoth: no, ssh openzaurus.adm@bkbits.net asks me for a password |
| 17:53.26 | chouimat|angry | kergoth: home much for the appartment? |
| 17:53.41 | tiptone | kergoth: what part of the metroplex are you in? |
| 17:54.35 | kergoth | tiptone: northeast dallas, at the 75 & 635 interchange. fun road construction to deal with. bleh. |
| 17:54.41 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: you need a gps card |
| 17:54.47 | ljp_laptop | with maps |
| 17:54.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:55.09 | mickeyl | grrr i really wish i could boot a kernel without flashing it |
| 17:55.13 | absentiaS | hey goth... did you move yet? |
| 17:55.13 | schurig | kergoth: just run kismet and remember at which open WLANs you have to turn left or right |
| 17:55.19 | mickeyl | schurig: nanana |
| 17:55.22 | mickeyl | s/kismet/wellenreiter |
| 17:55.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:55.26 | absentiaS | mickey: ya, i wanna run oz from sd/cf :-) |
| 17:55.42 | mickeyl | absentiaS: i don't want to _run_ it, I want to _develop_ :-D |
| 17:55.43 | absentiaS | I can't get kismet or that german thing to work |
| 17:56.15 | absentiaS | I added 256MB to my pc laptop so my virtual of debian will run (better) ... as soon as I can get networking to work under the debian, I'll fire up that buildroot too. :-> |
| 17:56.45 | mickeyl | great |
| 17:56.50 | mickeyl | now a kernel panic |
| 17:56.56 | mickeyl | that's progress |
| 17:56.58 | mickeyl | isn't it? |
| 17:57.35 | kergoth | absentiaS: yeah, i'm in TX now |
| 17:57.40 | absentiaS | cool! |
| 17:57.41 | schurig | mickeyl: you are familiar with ksymoops and linux/System.map ? |
| 17:57.42 | absentiaS | how do y alike it? |
| 17:57.52 | absentiaS | if ya survive the summer... you should be ok. |
| 17:57.58 | kergoth | pb_: so how good is nptl? (checking my mail, saw the post to lak re it) |
| 17:58.06 | kergoth | absentiaS: I like it actually |
| 17:58.12 | absentiaS | cool |
| 17:58.21 | absentiaS | well, hot... actually... but, ya, .... glad ya like it. |
| 17:58.24 | pb_ | kergoth: oh, I'm not on lak. reputedly it rocks, though. was talking to Richard Earnshaw about how to support it on arm last week. |
| 17:58.31 | pb_ | what did the mail say? |
| 18:01.06 | kergoth | pb_: patches. kernel, glibc "Most of the code comes from Daniel Jacobowitz and Philip Blundell.", etc. says the nptl tests all passed on arm 2.5.59 |
| 18:01.14 | kergoth | will have to play with it some. |
| 18:01.38 | pb_ | oh right, that's cool. |
| 18:01.44 | pb_ | I'll have to take a look. |
| 18:05.09 | tiptone | chouimat: i just got email from Sun about the PP Java |
| 18:05.21 | chouimat|angry | tiptone: ok |
| 18:06.32 | chouimat|angry | tiptone: and ? |
| 18:06.51 | tiptone | i downloading right now |
| 18:07.03 | chouimat|angry | :) |
| 18:07.14 | tiptone | it says it's optimized for the C700, based on the JDK 1.3 |
| 18:07.25 | tiptone | _much_ better than 1.1.8 |
| 18:07.46 | chouimat|angry | tiptone: ok |
| 18:08.56 | zecke | bipolar_lunch: ping |
| 18:08.58 | mickeyl | killefiz: ping |
| 18:10.57 | tiptone | are there any plans for a java implementation for OZ/OE? |
| 18:11.02 | treke | yes |
| 18:11.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, oz in java? |
| 18:11.52 | tiptone | using who's JVM? |
| 18:12.01 | treke | no clue |
| 18:12.25 | TheMasterMind1 | java in oz or oz in java? |
| 18:12.33 | tiptone | i meant java in oz |
| 18:12.47 | tiptone | oz in java seems kinda silly =) |
| 18:12.51 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 18:13.06 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun is working on an opensource java thing for oz |
| 18:13.15 | TheMasterMind1 | forget what its called.. |
| 18:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot Twiun |
| 18:13.20 | | from memory, twiun is Steph Meslin-Weber, the guy working on the Wonka JVM. He needs a job! CV at http://adorphuye.com/cv or email him at twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 18:13.25 | TheMasterMind1 | wonka jvm |
| 18:13.27 | TheMasterMind1 | thats it |
| 18:13.47 | Twiun | Yeah, although my work is on hold atm. Feel free to use Jeode from a sharp rom or Sun's CVM for now |
| 18:15.05 | tiptone | i just got Sun's J2ME, Personal Profile |
| 18:15.18 | tiptone | supposed to be Zaurus specific |
| 18:16.06 | Twiun | roughly equivalent to Jeode |
| 18:16.50 | tiptone | supposed to be a step up from Jeode, it's based on SDK 1.3 |
| 18:17.26 | Twiun | unfortunately, they both use the same buggy qtawt bindings from Trolltech |
| 18:25.39 | treke | aha! |
| 18:25.45 | mickeyl | ? |
| 18:26.37 | treke | kergoth: does the opie qws server "do the right thing" with vts? |
| 18:28.17 | kergoth | treke: really qt/e should be handling it. it needs to hook the signal for vt switch and enable/disable draw based on it.. so its likely in the FB driver. Not sure offhand if its doing it properly, .someone should look into it. |
| 18:29.27 | bipolar | zecke: yo man. How are you doin'? |
| 18:29.41 | bipolar | kergoth: Glad to see you made it to TX in one peace. :) |
| 18:29.48 | zecke | bipolar: today not so fine.. but you had a question? |
| 18:29.56 | zecke | kergoth: oh welcome to Texas ;) |
| 18:30.07 | bipolar | zecke: no question, just wondering how you were holding up |
| 18:30.33 | zecke | bipolar: the recent hacking on Opie was a bit too much for my body :( |
| 18:30.50 | zecke | bipolar: I should try to get a new one on eBay... |
| 18:31.27 | absentiaS | sharp has a new rom 3.1x for the 5500 .... |
| 18:31.36 | bipolar | hehe |
| 18:31.46 | absentiaS | has anyone heard any rumblings about a new rom for the 700 now with the 750/760 coming out ? |
| 18:31.51 | treke | sharp schmarp |
| 18:32.05 | bipolar | absentiaS: already? They released 3.1 a just week or so ago. |
| 18:32.32 | absentiaS | well, hey, gimme a working keyboard/decent (fast/jabba) browser and I might switch from sharp. :-/ |
| 18:32.36 | absentiaS | 3.10 . |
| 18:32.47 | absentiaS | someone told me to grab the opera browser from it to run on the 700, etc. |
| 18:32.52 | absentiaS | I haven't tried that, though. |
| 18:32.54 | bipolar | absentiaS: oh, I thought they released 3.1.1 or something. |
| 18:32.57 | absentiaS | no |
| 18:33.00 | absentiaS | 3.1x |
| 18:33.08 | absentiaS | I didn't nkow if 3.11 or something was out.... |
| 18:33.37 | absentiaS | Also, has anyone used any TKC items on a 700, such as the tkcmahjong? it just "crashes" when I load it up. I get the "generate" screen, but then it blinks away. |
| 18:33.48 | bipolar | Twiun: sun has a free java download for the Zaurus? |
| 18:33.50 | absentiaS | it says I need to install it to "ram" but I have no idea what that means |
| 18:34.05 | absentiaS | it bugs me to no end to keep reading about "writing to ROM" ... |
| 18:34.39 | absentiaS | so, I don't know if tkc wants me to install to RAM ram or FLASH RAM (ie: ROM.. hahah) |
| 18:34.45 | absentiaS | makes no sense to me. |
| 18:34.56 | treke | tkc wants you to install it to ram or FLASH |
| 18:35.03 | absentiaS | I also can't imagine why "some things will only run" is installed on internal flash. |
| 18:35.16 | absentiaS | well, the shark installer doesn't have a "RAM" option |
| 18:35.19 | absentiaS | and I did install it to flash |
| 18:35.26 | absentiaS | other than FLASH or RAM... what is there? |
| 18:35.27 | absentiaS | ie: nothing |
| 18:35.28 | treke | absentiaS: because the default location is RAM |
| 18:35.32 | treke | absentiaS: SD |
| 18:35.33 | treke | absentiaS: CF |
| 18:35.36 | absentiaS | not for me |
| 18:35.48 | treke | absentiaS: Then it doesnt matter for you |
| 18:35.55 | treke | other people do have SD and CF |
| 18:35.56 | absentiaS | when I hit install, I get a window that has internal flash and "sd" (with cf greyed out) |
| 18:36.17 | absentiaS | right, I assumed.. that the internal flash = ram |
| 18:36.29 | absentiaS | they're totally destroying the meaning of these words |
| 18:36.30 | absentiaS | you know |
| 18:36.38 | absentiaS | er, acronyms. |
| 18:37.03 | treke | On the zaurus FLASH is meant to be read only. hence the use of ROM |
| 18:37.21 | absentiaS | "Please install to RAM, but not RAM ram, FLASH RAM, otherwise known as ROM... which means READ ONLY MEMORY, except we're gonna write to it, but don't confuse ROM with RAM, because you can't write to ROM." |
| 18:37.50 | absentiaS | treke: only 1/2 of it, eh? |
| 18:37.56 | treke | absentiaS: huh? |
| 18:38.02 | absentiaS | 32mb read only |
| 18:38.04 | absentiaS | 32mb writeable |
| 18:38.12 | absentiaS | (when it's really 64mb writable) |
| 18:38.34 | kergoth | yep. c700 even on sharp you can just remount the first partition as rw if you want, its ro jffs2, not cramfs |
| 18:38.45 | absentiaS | kergoth: exactly. |
| 18:39.55 | absentiaS | they're playing games... and terminology is being waylayeddestroyed as collateral damage |
| 18:40.32 | treke | they are using the terminology their users understand |
| 18:40.53 | Twiun | bipolar: Yeah, it hasn't been updated since december and has installation issues |
| 18:40.56 | absentiaS | treke: yes, that I understand. |
| 18:41.14 | bipolar | Twiun: Probbly wont work on a gcc3 build either. |
| 18:41.15 | treke | whether its right or not isn't their problem |
| 18:41.18 | absentiaS | doesn't make it right, though. |
| 18:41.30 | absentiaS | actually, it is their problem. |
| 18:42.25 | absentiaS | I really don't see what's so difficult about saying "flash" or "flash RAM" ... vs "ROM" . |
| 18:42.28 | Twiun | bipolar: very doubtful - and their source download obviously doesn't include the qt integration stuff |
| 18:42.30 | absentiaS | but, hey, who am I, eh? |
| 18:43.00 | treke | absentiaS: the difficulty is that the users are already conditioned to "ROM" and "RAM" |
| 18:43.02 | bipolar | pricks... heh |
| 18:43.26 | absentiaS | so, duh |
| 18:43.34 | absentiaS | unlern'm already... |
| 18:43.42 | treke | feel free |
| 18:43.45 | kergoth | 'flash' doesnt mean much to your average user |
| 18:43.50 | absentiaS | the issue is that they're encouraging NEW users to the broken terminology |
| 18:44.27 | beattie | hacker vs. cracker its a lost battle |
| 18:45.07 | absentiaS | not realy |
| 18:45.12 | beattie | I hear people talk about memory having no concept of the difference between RAM and disk |
| 18:45.21 | kergoth | beattie: i hate that. |
| 18:45.23 | absentiaS | beattie: yes, thanks to macs |
| 18:45.36 | beattie | I do to, but it's a lost battle |
| 18:45.37 | absentiaS | in fact, I stopped talking to the press due to that single discrepancy. |
| 18:46.23 | beattie | absentiaS: this is from people who have never used a mac |
| 18:46.32 | beattie | th econcept is confusing to them |
| 18:46.52 | absentiaS | I use to get the question several times a week "my computermac's running slow, if I remove some files, will it run faster" |
| 18:47.14 | bipolar | hmmm.... opie |
| 18:47.21 | bipolar | damn fat fingers |
| 18:47.34 | absentiaS | my answer was "removing files is usually always a good idea, it may even help hte system to run faster, but the real issue is probably RAM and not disk space. they are not the same thing" |
| 18:47.44 | absentiaS | ya |
| 18:47.49 | treke | or disk fragmentation |
| 18:47.49 | beattie | absentiaS: the answer is "if you format the disk everything will run faster" |
| 18:47.58 | absentiaS | my mother use to say "CDROM read only memory" |
| 18:48.03 | beattie | :) |
| 18:48.28 | absentiaS | I asked her she didn't say "cdrom compact disc read only memory" and she said that was redundant.... I usually ended the conversation at that point. |
| 18:49.06 | absentiaS | (to her [and her circles?], she was (they were) familiar with CD... but not ROM... etc) |
| 18:49.07 | bipolar | opie's makefile does not have a CVSDATE. Is HEAD frozen for release or just the one branch? |
| 18:49.11 | beattie | absentiaS: a man who knows when hes beat |
| 18:49.21 | treke | just the branch is forzen |
| 18:49.36 | treke | openzaurus isnt near release, so there is no point in locking down a cvsdate |
| 18:50.17 | bipolar | treke: but if OPIE has less bugs, then there will be less confusion between opie/OE bugs, right? |
| 18:50.39 | kergoth | bipolar: what? |
| 18:50.59 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:50.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:51.04 | treke | bipolar: an arbitrary cvsdate for opie will have no more or fewer bugs than any other date. just different ones |
| 18:51.29 | kergoth | indeed. and fixes going into the branch get merged back into HEAD periodically |
| 18:52.02 | treke | and since we arent currently testing builds for release, the particular bugs of any one OPIE build arent too important since they may disappear the next image |
| 18:52.05 | bipolar | kergoth: there is no CVS date set in OPIE's makefile. It's commented out. I'm of the opinion (like it matters) that we should build using the frozen branch so that we can narrow the bug list down. |
| 18:52.54 | bipolar | treke: I was thinking of using just the frozen branch, not cvsdate, really. |
| 18:53.09 | bipolar | kergoth: did that make more sense? |
| 18:53.51 | bipolar | We could also then be of help to the opie devs to get them to 1.0 :) |
| 18:53.57 | kergoth | I dont see what using the branch now vs using the branch when OZ releases gains us |
| 18:54.17 | kergoth | and how the fuck do i get cvs to use a http proxy when doing a pserver co? |
| 18:54.19 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:54.24 | kergoth | damn ti firewall. |
| 18:54.34 | treke | ssh firewalled off? :p |
| 18:54.46 | bipolar | kergoth: won't they be dumping new, posibly buggy, features into HEAD now that they have a frozen branch? |
| 18:54.50 | kergoth | treke: yeah, have to bounce through the http proxy to do anything |
| 18:55.01 | treke | kergoth: ouch |
| 18:55.05 | bipolar | kergoth: sucks |
| 18:55.08 | treke | bipolar: not likely |
| 18:55.23 | absentiaS | kergoth: can you ssh out ? |
| 18:55.24 | pb_ | google suggests that the syntax is ":pserver;proxy=proxyhost;proxyport=3128:..." |
| 18:55.24 | treke | bipolar: more likely HEAD will sit there mostly unused until OPIE 1.0 |
| 18:55.25 | bipolar | hmmm.... |
| 18:55.33 | kergoth | bipolar: you assume there are enough opie devs for that to happen :) |
| 18:55.43 | bipolar | treke: well, ok |
| 18:55.45 | kergoth | pb_: thanks |
| 18:55.46 | bipolar | kergoth: hehehe |
| 18:55.48 | kergoth | absentiaS: not directly |
| 18:56.04 | absentiaS | eh, what does that mean ? |
| 18:56.36 | absentiaS | hey |
| 18:56.52 | absentiaS | so the benchmarks for the pxa255 (vs 250) didn't seem all that impressive! |
| 18:57.03 | treke | bipolar: realistically at this point, no one should be using unstable |
| 18:57.05 | sonix` | where? |
| 18:57.11 | absentiaS | unless there is some interesting optimization diff between 250 and 255, that's good news for me. |
| 18:57.13 | sonix` | absentiaS where? |
| 18:57.20 | pb_ | don't think so, the core is the same. |
| 18:57.34 | absentiaS | externe.net .... there was some b/s and s/s .. and send/sec seemed to double, but I'm not sure what a "send per second" is. |
| 18:57.48 | absentiaS | pb: well, I kept hearing about this cache bug on the 250 |
| 18:58.04 | absentiaS | but enaling the cache or having a 255 doesn't seem like it gives anything. |
| 18:58.06 | bipolar | treke: I use unstable. :) |
| 18:58.25 | bipolar | treke: I build unstable as often as I can. |
| 18:58.32 | pb_ | absentiaS: maybe a poor benchmark. do you know what they were testing? |
| 18:58.36 | treke | then you will get burned :p |
| 18:58.44 | bipolar | treke: I do at times. |
| 18:59.02 | bipolar | treke: but the times that I don't I post the ipks and images to the feed. |
| 19:00.08 | bipolar | my last build caused the suspend button to stop working :) |
| 19:00.19 | treke | opie bug, I think |
| 19:00.21 | bipolar | I had to make an icon to call 'apm -s' to suspend |
| 19:00.37 | treke | bipolar: click on the start button. choose suspend :) |
| 19:00.53 | bipolar | treke: the suspend icon did not work either. |
| 19:01.02 | treke | odd |
| 19:01.28 | bipolar | treke: how could that be an opie bug? And if it is, is that not a good reason to build the frozen branch? ;) |
| 19:01.38 | treke | bipolar: no. |
| 19:01.41 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:01.41 | kergoth | i havent even been here, so cant blame me |
| 19:01.49 | treke | bipolar: Bugs can still appear in the frozen branch |
| 19:02.05 | bipolar | kergoth: it was before you left... it could've been you :) |
| 19:02.21 | kergoth | damn |
| 19:02.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:02.26 | bipolar | kergoth: heh |
| 19:02.50 | bipolar | kergoth: I've been on vacation for 2 weeks. This is my first day back at 'work' |
| 19:03.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:04.12 | absentiaS | pb: no, it smelled of some sort of lame java benchmark, tohugh. |
| 19:05.07 | treke | absentiaS: I thought you saw a significant performance advantage to disabling thecache workaround? |
| 19:05.10 | effy-kun | sup kergoth: |
| 19:05.18 | effy-kun | give me more crap to translate hehe |
| 19:05.29 | absentiaS | no no |
| 19:05.37 | kergoth | hey theres the whole rest of that locomo doc |
| 19:05.38 | kergoth | or |
| 19:05.42 | absentiaS | I ran the .hu kernel for a while, things seemed "peppy" |
| 19:05.44 | kergoth | i could get the c700 service manual, thats in japanese |
| 19:05.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:05.51 | absentiaS | but I think that was in comparison to OZ, not sharp |
| 19:06.04 | absentiaS | I put back the default sharp rom and I can't "feel" any difference at all |
| 19:06.15 | effy-kun | ouch |
| 19:06.22 | effy-kun | well, I've got plenty of time hehe |
| 19:06.36 | pb_ | isn't the sharp rom built with gcc2? if so, that would lose on xscale. |
| 19:06.44 | absentiaS | pb: exactly |
| 19:06.53 | effy-kun | have you even bothered to use the part I did translate? ;) |
| 19:06.59 | absentiaS | but the opera from sharp is better than konq on oz |
| 19:07.13 | kergoth | effy-kun: beattie is looking into adding Z support to an mmc driver using it. i havnet had the time |
| 19:07.17 | absentiaS | if I could run the sharp opera under oz, I would dual boot oz/full-debian |
| 19:07.24 | absentiaS | with the full debian, I can cru the sharp stuff, etc. |
| 19:07.29 | absentiaS | so, it's really a trade off. |
| 19:07.31 | kergoth | you can run it. just grab the binaries and shit |
| 19:07.41 | absentiaS | kerg: no issue between gcc 3 and gcc2? |
| 19:07.46 | kergoth | isnt there a opera 6 creator for the 3.1 collie rom? could adapt that to c700 |
| 19:07.50 | kergoth | theres a compat package |
| 19:07.51 | absentiaS | ya |
| 19:07.58 | kergoth | uses space, but gives you the gcc2 built qt/e & libqpe |
| 19:08.04 | absentiaS | yup |
| 19:08.06 | absentiaS | that's fine. |
| 19:08.12 | treke | kergoth: wheres that new toolchain you were going to post :) |
| 19:08.27 | absentiaS | treke: ya, I have been lazy.. I need to get that. |
| 19:08.30 | kergoth | treke: I realized before i got it all uploaded that it was built for x86_64 |
| 19:08.32 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 19:08.40 | treke | kergoth: damn you |
| 19:08.44 | pb_ | absentiaS: the cache erratum will only have an effect if the core is running fast enough to actually stall on writes. pre-gcc3 code probably stalls often enough for other reasons that you wouldn't really notice much difference. |
| 19:08.46 | treke | is it in buildroot? |
| 19:09.00 | kergoth | treke: yeah, just build one in buildroot and it should work fine |
| 19:09.14 | treke | k. I can do that. gcc is quick to build |
| 19:09.45 | absentiaS | pb: right... so we need a gcc3 pxa250 vs pxa255 comparison. |
| 19:09.50 | absentiaS | I asked around for benchmarking info and tools |
| 19:09.54 | pb_ | yep |
| 19:10.01 | absentiaS | and I wasn't able to find any.... other than some lame java stuff. |
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| 19:10.17 | absentiaS | we need something like an opcode blaster, raster blaster, etc. |
| 19:10.36 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 19:10.45 | absentiaS | I hear the 250 can't do 320x240 mame screens fast enough to be usable! |
| 19:10.51 | absentiaS | and that's truly sad. |
| 19:11.14 | absentiaS | I mean, 400MHz... 400 million cycles... those old systems were running off 1Mhz chips.. and they did 60fps no problem. |
| 19:11.25 | absentiaS | how does one lose 399+ million cycles? |
| 19:11.35 | absentiaS | it's not like we're running ms software here |
| 19:14.09 | pb_ | well, yeah, but it probably takes at least a couple hundred arm instructions on average to run one emulated cycle. |
| 19:14.13 | absentiaS | guys on the open-ldap thread are talking about 2.4GHz P4s with "ht" |
| 19:14.16 | treke | you're right. |
| 19:14.19 | absentiaS | and saying his "dual" cpu machine is 4cpus. |
| 19:14.33 | absentiaS | I am going to die laughing when they realize that they have to pay licenses by CPU count. |
| 19:14.49 | scanline | absentiaS: the big difference is the old machines had hardware doing almost all the graphics |
| 19:14.57 | treke | if we were using ms software we'd have decent handwriting recognition and syncing abilities |
| 19:15.03 | absentiaS | scan: ya. that I can understand. |
| 19:15.13 | scanline | absentiaS: to move a sprite on the screen, they just had to update one byte in memory telling the hardware where to draw it.. in an emulator, you actually have to draw it, meaning several instructions per pixel |
| 19:15.16 | absentiaS | treke: ya, but would only sync with ms crap. |
| 19:15.53 | absentiaS | scan: I can understand that analogy only so far. |
| 19:16.18 | absentiaS | you have to draw the screen anyway... so, if you move your bites around in memory, that's one thing.. but if they're not moving, that's another. |
| 19:16.25 | absentiaS | it's not like there's a QUEUE of frames to draw. |
| 19:17.07 | absentiaS | personally, I love emulators. I'm not TOO worried about their speed. |
| 19:17.25 | scanline | er, sighs |
| 19:17.25 | absentiaS | but I have to admit, I haven't ever run win2k under bochs :-) |
| 19:17.30 | kergoth | treke: fyi the vt handling code in the qt keyboard code appears at first glance to be sane |
| 19:17.41 | absentiaS | scan? |
| 19:17.54 | treke | kergoth: hrmm. I've seen a number of complaints about it :) |
| 19:17.55 | scanline | absentiaS: emulating a framebuffer-based system like a PC is a lot different than emulating a system that hardware accelerated almost everything, like a video game console |
| 19:18.10 | absentiaS | ya. |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | treke: so have I. so obviously something is up. Needs further investigation |
| 19:18.20 | absentiaS | scanline: did you ever have an atari, c64 or apple][? |
| 19:18.29 | scanline | absentiaS: yes to all three |
| 19:18.48 | scanline | though the atari and c64 I got after they were old and cheap :) |
| 19:18.48 | absentiaS | cool. I owned atari, and programed/ported atari/apple.... |
| 19:18.57 | chouimat | hey scanline |
| 19:19.05 | scanline | hi chouimat |
| 19:19.18 | absentiaS | ok, on the atari, remember the horizontal blank (10 or so instructions) and vertical blank (3000?) .... |
| 19:19.28 | absentiaS | man, the day I got turbo basic for the atari... man |
| 19:20.05 | absentiaS | I want to try to run the xformer stuff on the pda. |
| 19:20.17 | absentiaS | I have lost all respect for darek, though. |
| 19:20.18 | scanline | reminds me of trying to bit-bang an NTSC signal on a PIC |
| 19:20.29 | absentiaS | scanline: ya, lets progarm all games in 1K max! |
| 19:20.51 | absentiaS | I'm still annoywed that none of those people ever made "random" generated games like adventure |
| 19:20.55 | absentiaS | or haounted house, etc. |
| 19:23.26 | absentiaS | I sometimes wonder if we've really advanced any since that time... in terms of programming. |
| 19:23.43 | absentiaS | I mean, hell, I wish I had linux back then.... and the net is really neat... but has coding really changed at all? |
| 19:23.58 | absentiaS | (sort of like that recent thread on slash-dork regarding computers crashing, etc) |
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| 20:09.48 | TheMasterMind1 | does the pxa255 support usb host? |
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| 20:49.22 | tiptone | does this IRC server proxy scan on connect? |
| 20:55.47 | tiptone | hits are at just the right time, it must... |
| 20:57.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hm? |
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| 21:45.47 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30833.png |
| 21:46.40 | bipolar | AAAAHHHHHHUUUUURRRGGG!!!! |
| 21:46.54 | treke | ~shoot bipolar |
| 21:46.55 | | ACTION shoots bipolar in the head. |
| 21:47.41 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: whoa.. what is that |
| 21:47.47 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe on where |
| 21:48.03 | treke | on a 640x480 device |
| 21:48.52 | TheMasterMind1 | right, which device |
| 21:49.08 | TheMasterMind1 | does the pxa255 support usb host? |
| 21:49.22 | treke | you say that like I would know |
| 21:49.29 | treke | probably a c700 |
| 21:49.35 | Neo|Work | and while you're at it: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=848531 |
| 21:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: oh, heh |
| 21:50.30 | treke | ibot, seen noidd? |
| 21:50.31 | | noidd <~red@217.169.29.101> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 13d 10h 49m 45s ago, saying: 'ello'. |
| 21:50.37 | treke | ibot, seen mallum? |
| 21:50.37 | | mallum <~mallum@pc-80-193-218-21-hw.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 9h 47m 18s ago, saying: 'c-u in a few days'. |
| 21:50.52 | treke | ibot, seen someone finish gpe builds? |
| 21:50.52 | | treke: i haven't seen 'someone finish gpe builds' |
| 21:50.59 | treke | darn |
| 21:57.57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 22:06.25 | absentiaS | re |
| 22:10.13 | beattie | effy-kun: I'm starting to try to add mmc support to th e2.4.19 kernel |
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| 22:29.16 | ||ugh | Yea, beattie! I would love to know of a souce of >128 mebibyte MMC cards so we can stop supporting the manufacture of the SD cards. |
| 22:29.50 | treke | are there any? |
| 22:32.03 | beattie | ||ugh: I have an IOData 128M MMC |
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