| 01:19.44 | Twiun | hmmm... 2m40s without duplicating dependencies and 3m15s if they're duplicated... |
| 01:19.51 | Twiun | not a whole lot of difference |
| 01:21.34 | treke|home | when will this build ever end |
| 01:22.25 | Twiun | lol |
| 01:22.47 | treke|home | first gcc3 build I've gone with this ccache |
| 01:22.54 | treke|home | so none of its cached : |
| 01:23.00 | Twiun | ack |
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| 01:27.08 | Twiun | hey mewyn` |
| 01:27.15 | mewyn` | hey |
| 01:27.18 | mewyn` | so beat |
| 01:35.13 | Twiun | is it possible to have the equivalent of globals in a shell script (when using functions) |
| 01:36.48 | treke|home | hrrm. before I waste time, I bet QT has a tree class |
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| 01:37.34 | treke|home | nope. nm |
| 01:38.20 | sl5500 | Hello all, where may I ask questions re the current buildroot for OZ from bitkeeper? |
| 01:38.46 | treke|home | #here |
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| 01:39.24 | sl5500 | ahh.. ok I have tried building the current build root, and I have tried numerous thing but I keep getting the same error: |
| 01:39.54 | sl5500 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-modules: vfat-modules (=2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-5a) vfat-modules... |
| 01:40.16 | sl5500 | in the make image step as per faq #84 |
| 01:40.27 | sl5500 | thanks for any help in advance btw |
| 01:40.35 | _Psycho | thing you have to remove the depencie in hmm |
| 01:41.00 | _Psycho | what the name again /something/packages forget where |
| 01:41.02 | _Psycho | treke know ;) |
| 01:41.19 | sl5500 | buildroot-oz/packages is where the packages r |
| 01:41.30 | _Psycho | i think its in some sub dir |
| 01:41.37 | sl5500 | with a make file in each directory |
| 01:41.55 | sl5500 | for each program |
| 01:42.32 | _Psycho | sorry forgot the dir, someone asked the same question last night |
| 01:42.52 | sl5500 | really ? |
| 01:43.02 | sl5500 | is the answer archive ne where? |
| 01:43.06 | _Psycho | nah |
| 01:43.09 | _Psycho | i doubt |
| 01:43.14 | sl5500 | oh |
| 01:43.24 | _Psycho | its probably something someone added into the buildroot that messed it up ;) |
| 01:43.30 | _Psycho | and this part is not fixed yet :) |
| 01:43.34 | _Psycho | happen a lots |
| 01:43.45 | sl5500 | yeah, I noticed :P |
| 01:44.00 | sl5500 | when does it move over 2 openembedded? |
| 01:44.09 | _Psycho | not sure at all |
| 01:44.13 | _Psycho | but its gonna be a while imo |
| 01:45.15 | sl5500 | ahh |
| 01:46.21 | treke|home | _Psycho: its not broken :) |
| 01:46.25 | treke|home | _Psycho: Works fine on ipaq |
| 01:46.34 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 01:46.43 | _Psycho | didnt you said to someone last night |
| 01:46.44 | bipolar | ohhhh... new zaurii comming out. cool! |
| 01:46.52 | _Psycho | to remove it in packages somewhere ;) |
| 01:47.02 | _Psycho | the c764 you mean ? |
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| 01:47.38 | armenb | hi |
| 01:47.41 | sl5500 | I have the humm...what was it again....oh sl5500 :P |
| 01:47.56 | _Psycho | im quite happy with my c700 |
| 01:47.58 | armenb | does openzaurus maintain the crosscompiler? |
| 01:48.03 | _Psycho | not sure im gonna change it for jsut 32 megs and the cpu |
| 01:48.04 | armenb | that is to say |
| 01:48.18 | bipolar | _Psycho: I'm happy with my 5500... :) |
| 01:48.25 | armenb | cross-2.95.3-oz-1.2.tar.bz2 |
| 01:48.48 | armenb | because I'm having a problem regarding a symbol that is in my library |
| 01:48.49 | bipolar | I still give people the ohhs and ahhs with the slideout keyboard. heh... |
| 01:48.59 | chouimat|tv | armenb: update to glibc 2.3.1 |
| 01:49.38 | armenb | hm. chou, is this an update on my zaurus? or the crosscompiler? |
| 01:50.20 | armenb | basically, it is a kernel module (that I didn't write), but it is complaining about this one symbol every time I try to insmod it |
| 01:52.33 | sl5500 | well if ne 1 knows of/can remember the fix 4 the sl5500 OZ- buildroot re err vfat-modules (=2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-5a) please let me know.thanks |
| 01:56.15 | bipolar | sl5500: I doo |
| 01:56.44 | bipolar | sl5500: you need to edit buildroot-oz/output/ipks/Packages and remove the dependancy manualy. |
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| 02:01.59 | sl5500 | thanks for the help bipolar, the error has changed to qpf-bitstream-vera now, I am just removing that bit too... |
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| 02:02.43 | hunterkll | anyone here? |
| 02:04.46 | treke|home | Twiun: At least with the progress bar there is some clue how far from being done we are |
| 02:05.15 | hunterkll | treke|home: are you good with opie?? |
| 02:05.21 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:05.35 | hunterkll | i have a thing here on dual booting for a cf card |
| 02:05.40 | hunterkll | where i have gpe on ipaq |
| 02:05.45 | hunterkll | and i want opie on the card |
| 02:06.07 | hunterkll | i have instructions here --> http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Set%20up%20familiar%20to%20dual-boot |
| 02:06.10 | treke|home | you've already asked in 3 other channels i'm in |
| 02:06.15 | hunterkll | but, it has gpe on the card :) |
| 02:06.23 | treke|home | if i havent answered yet, I probably wont answer now |
| 02:06.32 | hunterkll | and i need to figure out how to work it to get opie on the card |
| 02:06.43 | hunterkll | this is a diffrent question :) |
| 02:07.13 | treke|home | the answer stands |
| 02:07.33 | hunterkll | oh |
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| 02:09.08 | Twiun | treke|home: you mean with my progress stuff or referring to the original? |
| 02:09.22 | ninny | what is a "shotgun wedding" |
| 02:09.32 | treke|home | ninny: ? |
| 02:09.51 | treke|home | a marraige because of a pregnancy |
| 02:10.15 | treke|home | Twiun: I'm still using the original |
| 02:10.26 | Twiun | treke|home: ah |
| 02:10.30 | ninny | ahh piss. that means i was wrong. |
| 02:10.40 | treke|home | Twiun: Still better than nothing |
| 02:10.59 | Twiun | treke|home: bk pull, cp packages/oz-base/sysinit/packages <to wherever> :) |
| 02:11.45 | treke|home | ninny: what was your guess? |
| 02:12.02 | Twiun | treke|home: mine provides a percentage... I'm even thinking of doing a 'proper' progress bar |
| 02:12.18 | Twiun | treke|home: starting to get fancy with escape sequences :) |
| 02:12.40 | treke|home | framebuffer animation :)( |
| 02:14.31 | Twiun | just text-mode for now :) |
| 02:15.04 | treke|home | no fun |
| 02:19.13 | treke|home | uhm holy crap |
| 02:19.16 | treke|home | that is fast |
| 02:28.49 | sl5500 | heh |
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| 02:29.57 | _Psycho | haha |
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| 02:31.55 | chouimat|tv | damn! it's so hot in here |
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| 03:11.51 | Twiun | argh. |
| 03:12.06 | Twiun | never realised truly how expensive `expr x / y` can be on the Z |
| 03:33.24 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:11.10 | armenb | do i need to upgrade anything on my zaurus to start using gcc3.2? |
| 04:12.14 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:12.20 | treke|home | all of qtopia |
| 04:12.30 | treke|home | and you can no longer run binary only apps |
| 04:14.56 | armenb | hmm, i dont care about qtopia |
| 04:15.18 | armenb | what about regular binaries that only make use of system libraries |
| 04:15.33 | armenb | what do you mean by binary only app? |
| 04:16.13 | treke|home | armenb: C Apps will work. C++ apps that only use C Libraries will work. C++ apps that use C++ libaries that you do not have the source to recompile will not owrk |
| 04:16.38 | armenb | cool |
| 04:16.39 | armenb | thanks :) |
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| 04:22.45 | armenb | hmm, even with a new toolchain, i seem to be getting this annoying error when trying to insmod this kernel module: route_check.o: unresolved symbol _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ |
| 04:23.12 | armenb | i dont have a problem when insmod'ing it natively on my x86 box |
| 04:23.42 | armenb | i googled and found that this was an error found back in 1999. is there anything that OpenZaurus uses that is ancient enough to contain this error? |
| 04:23.53 | armenb | i.e. I'm not sure what to do to fix this problem. |
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| 04:30.24 | noda | Moo! |
| 04:35.58 | andersee | armenb: you are tyrying to load a kernel module that you apparently have dynamically linked vs a shared library.... |
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| 06:30.33 | Bowser | Hi ppl |
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| 10:39.37 | Twiun | morning |
| 11:02.24 | killefiz | cmartin|work: i got your image from mickeyl yesterday. It flashed okay and it boots right into opie. Only problem is that I get a kernel oops when inserting my wlan-card. |
| 11:22.21 | cmartin|work | killefiz: as i told mickeyl - it's pretty unstable and needs some kernel and mudules tuning, but it's not "readonly" ;-) |
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| 11:24.45 | cmartin|work | killefiz: if you're using an hostap device, try the following in modules.conf: |
| 11:25.11 | cmartin|work | options hostap_cs ignore_cis_vcc=1 |
| 11:26.22 | schurig | hmm, has anybody a Symbol CF card that works reliably on the Z? |
| 11:26.44 | Twiun | schurig: hey schurig! |
| 11:27.20 | schurig | Twiun: hi! How's your java stuff going? |
| 11:27.23 | Twiun | schurig: question for you: on first boot, quite a few packages have their prerm/postinst scripts run multiple times, is that necessary? |
| 11:27.49 | Twiun | schurig: the java stuff is stuck atm - I need info and I can't find it |
| 11:28.18 | schurig | Twiun: java: that's bad --- good is that I don't need java :-) |
| 11:28.28 | schurig | Twiun: which one get's called several times? |
| 11:28.49 | Twiun | schurig: kernel-image, libc6, the font ones, etc, etc |
| 11:29.14 | Twiun | schurig: I've made changes that guarantee them running only once, but I need to know it's not going to break anything |
| 11:29.39 | schurig | Twiun: when you create an image, you have some directory that will be processed by mkfs.jffs2. Go into this directory, I think into usr/lib/ipkg/info. See for all the *.postinst files, those are the ones that get executed |
| 11:30.02 | Twiun | schurig: yes, the duplicate runs are because of the nested dependencies |
| 11:30.18 | Twiun | schurig: every single dependency gets run - regardless of wether it's been run before |
| 11:30.21 | schurig | Twiun: I never realized that some of them get executed several times. Maybe because I had VERBOSE=no in my /etc/default/rcS ... |
| 11:30.42 | schurig | Twiun: hmm, so it's an IPKG bug then? |
| 11:30.53 | schurig | If so, it should be fixed in ipkg. |
| 11:31.01 | Twiun | it's not ipkg |
| 11:31.17 | Twiun | it's the packages script - but I need to know if that behaviour was intended |
| 11:31.28 | schurig | Hmm, but other tools besided ipkg don't know about dependencies, don't they? |
| 11:31.28 | Twiun | before I fix it |
| 11:31.44 | Twiun | packages greps for Depends :) |
| 11:31.49 | Twiun | does it manually |
| 11:31.50 | schurig | Twiun: i GUESS it was not intended. But maybe Kergoth knowns ... |
| 11:32.04 | Twiun | :) |
| 11:32.13 | Twiun | ok, I'll definately wait for him |
| 11:32.26 | Twiun | doing a timing test atm, to see how much time we'd save |
| 11:32.32 | schurig | hmm, on the over side: the execution in dependency order was intended, I would have do it too. But the re-execution of stuff twice was not. |
| 11:32.57 | Twiun | I didn't think it was, but you know how things go |
| 11:33.00 | schurig | s/other/over/ |
| 11:33.09 | schurig | Twiun: not necessarily :-) |
| 11:33.35 | schurig | s/over/other/. Hmm, too fast fingers today. |
| 11:33.43 | Twiun | schurig: well, all I'm preventing is a package having their scripts run more than once - not changing anything else |
| 11:33.51 | Twiun | schurig: apart from a few display improvements |
| 11:36.35 | schurig | Twiun: I just moved $(TOPDIR)/build to $(TOPDIR)/../build and added BUILD_DIR=$(TOPDIR)/../build to my Vars.local ---- now "bk pull", "bk push" are fast again |
| 11:36.59 | schurig | before, the "bk check" subcommand of push/pull was descenting into build and that took ages |
| 11:37.04 | Twiun | ah |
| 11:37.06 | Twiun | good :) |
| 11:37.33 | Twiun | hmmm... without multiple runs, I save about 30s |
| 11:38.41 | schurig | that's good |
| 11:38.42 | Twiun | doesn't seem worth it |
| 11:39.00 | Twiun | still takes my image 4 minutes |
| 11:39.14 | schurig | I guess you install lot's of IPK files? |
| 11:39.20 | Twiun | 91 packages |
| 11:39.34 | Twiun | but most of opie is stripped out |
| 11:39.37 | schurig | So /etc/default/functions (or whatever is named) get's sourced 91 times |
| 11:40.03 | Twiun | does it get sourced inside the prerm/postinst scripts then? |
| 11:40.45 | schurig | Not regularly, but many *.postinst source other files |
| 11:41.13 | Twiun | the slowest packages though are the fonts and ssh-server (understandably) |
| 11:41.21 | schurig | I install 65 packages on Ramses. I haven't measured it, but it doesn't take 4 minutes. Maybe 2 or so. |
| 11:42.01 | schurig | for ssh-server we can fix this up. The key could be generated at /etc/init.d/ssh start time. Or it could be generated in the background. |
| 11:42.46 | Twiun | think there's anyway the dependencies could be parallelised? |
| 11:44.24 | killefiz | cmartin|work: i'll try that tonight |
| 11:56.35 | Twiun | I wonder if 91 cuts are faster than 91 seds |
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| 12:48.30 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 12:48.43 | mark | heya Twiun |
| 12:48.47 | mark | Twiun: i just fscked up a maths exam :( |
| 12:48.53 | Twiun | mark: ack |
| 12:48.59 | Twiun | mark: how come? |
| 12:49.17 | mark | yeh. misread one of the questions, and a moment of stupidity will have cost me a shite load of marks on another |
| 12:50.00 | Twiun | I've done that as well :) |
| 12:50.29 | mark | its not good :) |
| 12:53.51 | mark | Twiun: and that was an easy paper too :( |
| 12:54.28 | Twiun | mark: oh dear |
| 12:54.36 | Twiun | mark: can you resit it? |
| 12:56.28 | mark | Twiun: yeh, i think so. its not a disaster, just meanas i've ogt to do well in the others |
| 12:59.40 | Twiun | mark: lol, going to have to put some real effort into the rest then :) |
| 12:59.55 | mark | Twiun: yep, thats why i'm sitting round on irc and hacking wine :) |
| 13:01.59 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:02.26 | mark | Twiun: :) |
| 13:02.47 | Twiun | like I should be getting my suit ready for tomorrow |
| 13:02.58 | Twiun | instead of hacking the 'first boot' process |
| 13:03.13 | mark | Twiun: you know what the accepted best way of writing a config dialog is? |
| 13:03.20 | mark | Twiun: ie somehow keeping track of what stetings are changed |
| 13:04.28 | mark | or do I store a copy of the settings at the outset and then compare |
| 13:04.50 | Twiun | it's one of those 'it depends' thing |
| 13:05.05 | mark | Twiun: hmm. |
| 13:05.09 | mark | well that helps ;) |
| 13:06.52 | Twiun | really, as long as it's clean code, I doubt it matters |
| 13:09.18 | mark | ok |
| 13:10.00 | Twiun | yeah |
| 13:11.05 | mark | whats the point of MFC? it doesn't seem to make things any easier at all |
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| 13:20.38 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:20.41 | Twiun | hey |
| 13:25.21 | mark | god win32 is horrid |
| 13:25.58 | mark | Twiun: i seem to be getting more and more code in DlgProc CALLBACKS.. :/ |
| 13:46.15 | mark | Twiun: does keeping two configuration objects around (one for load, one for save) sound a bad move to you? |
| 13:46.24 | Twiun | mark: you make me happy I don't do win32 stuff |
| 13:46.42 | Twiun | mark: it depends on how big the config objects are |
| 13:46.55 | Twiun | woohoo! managed to get rid of the cursor in console mode |
| 13:47.25 | mark | Twiun: hmm, shouldn't be big. i'll go for this for the moment, can always cange it |
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| 13:59.41 | Twiun | anyone have a good look at the diag mode of the Z - or have docs? |
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| 14:43.02 | ljp_laptop | *yawn |
| 14:43.19 | zecke|aw1y | hi ljp_laptop |
| 14:43.50 | Twiun | hey ljp, zecke |
| 14:46.46 | ljp_laptop | hey zecke- my cat showed up after two weeks! |
| 14:46.58 | ljp_laptop | skinny as hell |
| 14:47.22 | zecke|aw1y | oh didn't know it was lost |
| 14:48.14 | Twiun | ljp_laptop: keeping it locked up in your place now? |
| 14:49.27 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 14:49.45 | ljp_laptop | yes, she is banned from outside... |
| 14:50.11 | beattie | is she going to be a mommy? |
| 14:51.30 | ljp_laptop | no, she has been altered |
| 14:51.56 | ljp_laptop | she must have gotten stuck in someones garage over their vacation or something |
| 14:52.03 | ljp_laptop | cause she is also very talkative |
| 14:52.22 | beattie | some siamese blood eh? |
| 14:52.29 | ljp_laptop | and... my family got me a digital camera as a going away present |
| 14:53.02 | ljp_laptop | no. she wasnt this talkitive before she left. It seems like she was alone for two weeks |
| 14:55.48 | Twiun | anyone wanna have a look at the new firstboot progress display? |
| 14:56.26 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:56.35 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 14:56.53 | ljp_laptop | hey choui |
| 14:59.29 | beattie | anybody know how to enable the serial console? |
| 15:00.12 | schurig | ljp_laptop: can you take your cat downunder? |
| 15:00.20 | schurig | chouimat: moin |
| 15:00.49 | ljp_laptop | I could. there is a 30 quarenteen, though. so I am going to leave her with my neice |
| 15:01.41 | ljp_laptop | cats dont travel well. |
| 15:03.07 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: bah! what is a month for the pleasure of having a claw in your face when you forget to feed her :) |
| 15:03.53 | ljp_laptop | well. suppose I am only there for 6 months |
| 15:04.04 | chouimat | ok |
| 15:06.06 | Twiun | schurig: right, I've pushed the latest version of my script - I've left the dependency stripping commented out until we know for sure |
| 15:07.02 | chouimat | lol gcc 3.3 need to be patched to work on arm |
| 15:07.12 | schurig | Twiun: sounds good |
| 15:07.35 | schurig | chouimat: yes, but Russel King and Nicolas Pitre are now chasing the gcc developers to get the patch in |
| 15:08.09 | chouimat | schurig: just saw that on gcc-patches |
| 15:08.11 | schurig | Those silly gcc people did not add the working patch at the last two bug fix releases. Wonder for what bugfix releases are good for ... |
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| 15:10.40 | mallum | treke|home: ping |
| 15:10.48 | mallum | treke|laptop: ping |
| 15:11.20 | schurig | mallum: bounce |
| 15:11.27 | schurig | mallum |
| 15:11.39 | schurig | mallum's ball bounced against the border and dropped onto the floor |
| 15:12.09 | chouimat | schurig: that patch seem to be applied to the mainline |
| 15:12.44 | schurig | chouimat: mainline of what? |
| 15:13.35 | chouimat | schurig: gcc 3.4 |
| 15:14.00 | schurig | ohhhh. Version numbers are increasing rapidly. |
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| 15:28.20 | mickeyl | cmartin: ping |
| 15:35.11 | Twiun | mickeyl: 'nother update of that script waiting for your approval :) |
| 15:35.50 | mickeyl | Twiun: great - let it show please :) |
| 15:39.12 | mickeyl | or did you push already? |
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| 15:42.53 | mark | Twiun: think its better design to have many small config objects, and each configuration 'page' in charge of one of them rather tha ntrying to use one big onfig object? |
| 15:43.43 | beattie | anybody here know how to enable the serial console? |
| 15:45.35 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: pong |
| 15:45.57 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: hiho. had my simpad booting yesterday with root-over-nfs-over-usb :)) |
| 15:46.00 | mickeyl | pretty cool |
| 15:46.05 | mickeyl | it bootet right into opie |
| 15:46.07 | mickeyl | without problems |
| 15:46.25 | cmartin|work | cool |
| 15:46.43 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: so now we have to wait for peter to do the cvs restructuration and then we can release a first testing image |
| 15:46.55 | cmartin|work | yep |
| 15:47.01 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: I already started with more Opie adaptions re: battery etc. |
| 15:47.05 | cmartin|work | did you try my image? |
| 15:47.26 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: no - made a fresh one |
| 15:47.34 | mickeyl | but no image, just a rootfs on my laptop :) |
| 15:48.03 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: question: how do you handle suspend/awake on the simpad? suspend is echo > /proc/sys/pm/suspend, but how do you awake? |
| 15:48.14 | schurig | mickeyl: congrats! |
| 15:48.21 | mickeyl | schurig: thanks |
| 15:48.44 | mickeyl | schurig: rootnfs is just plain cool for developing |
| 15:48.51 | schurig | mickeyl: i know :-) |
| 15:49.42 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: awake is done the same way |
| 15:51.30 | schurig | mickeyl: normally you program the CPU that it should awake on some GPIO interrupts |
| 15:51.33 | chouimat | mickeyl: rootnfs on the simpad? |
| 15:51.43 | schurig | at least that is the way on the PXA250. |
| 15:51.52 | schurig | I guess it's similar on SA1110 |
| 15:52.05 | cmartin|work | chouimat: yes |
| 15:52.29 | schurig | I think the registers are named PFER, PRER etc (Power management falling edge register, Power management rising edge register) |
| 15:52.56 | schurig | chouimat: yes, rootfs on simpad |
| 15:53.22 | chouimat | I need to get one of those |
| 15:53.27 | schurig | cmartin|work: awake can't be the same way, because while sleeping no one can do an echo 0 > /proc/sys/pm/suspend :-) |
| 15:53.54 | schurig | chouimat: it would work on the Z as well --- however, it's just good for developing purposes |
| 15:54.43 | chouimat | schurig: on for use with a webpal |
| 15:55.53 | cmartin|work | schurig: well then I don't really know how it works on the SIMpad, because echo > /proc/sys/pm/suspend is the only thing we have set for switch one in the switchd |
| 15:56.14 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: how is that switch thing done anyway? |
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| 15:56.32 | mickeyl | didn't understand it yet and we have to integrate it into buildroot anyhow |
| 15:57.15 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: e.g. the power led didn't go off when i echo > /proc/sys/pm/suspend |
| 15:57.24 | mickeyl | and i can't turn it on again |
| 15:57.27 | cmartin|work | we have a program /sbin/switchd with configuration in /etc/switches/ |
| 15:58.02 | cmartin|work | i had that problem before too |
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| 15:59.44 | cmartin|work | you have to set console=ttySA in the kernel command line options |
| 16:00.51 | mickeyl | you mean /dev/ttySA or ttySA? |
| 16:01.22 | cmartin|work | wait i'll check that... |
| 16:02.08 | cmartin|work | console=ttySA |
| 16:03.10 | cmartin|work | the problem seems to be that logging is going to the screen and this is being turned off before logging can take place, causing the process to crash |
| 16:04.11 | cmartin|work | if i remember correctly, waking is hardcoded somewhere - you would have to ask juergen about that |
| 16:04.53 | mickeyl | hmm... ok - that may the reason why console=/dev/ttySA0 didn't work properly for me :) |
| 16:05.05 | cmartin|work | yep |
| 16:06.37 | mickeyl | ah, yes I remember having seen "can't open initial console" in dmesg |
| 16:06.42 | mickeyl | which process is dying there? |
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| 16:08.39 | mickeyl | cmartin: did you notice that life rotation works? :-D |
| 16:08.49 | mickeyl | pretty cool - rotating to 600x800 |
| 16:10.47 | cmartin|work | no, how |
| 16:10.55 | mickeyl | start menu-->rotate |
| 16:11.33 | cmartin|work | cool |
| 16:11.55 | mickeyl | this also shows the decoration bug in opie, because the decorations work properly in 600x800 while they don't in 800x600 :) |
| 16:12.23 | Twiun | mark: I have no preference :) |
| 16:14.19 | cmartin|work | aahh |
| 16:14.36 | cmartin|work | that's why only the Flat theme works |
| 16:14.43 | mark | Twiun: ok, cheers |
| 16:15.05 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: just sent you the files associated with the switchd ;-) |
| 16:16.01 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: BTW killefiz booted my image fine |
| 16:19.30 | Twiun | hrmph. now oz won't mount my cf card on first boot... cardmgr needs to be killed and restarted |
| 16:19.32 | Twiun | wtf? |
| 16:19.33 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: the suspend process seems to be crashing |
| 16:21.01 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: juergen never tracked this problem down, so i never found out the real explaination - it just worked after the console was set correctly |
| 16:22.33 | mickeyl | btw. cmartin|work, vera 12 pt looks pretty good together with liquid style on the simpad. |
| 16:24.43 | cmartin|work | yes, i agree |
| 16:25.24 | cmartin|work | mickeyl: isn't this great that we got this working so fast ;) |
| 16:27.03 | cmartin|work | well i have to go now, bbl |
| 16:27.39 | mickeyl | k cu |
| 16:27.46 | mickeyl | yes it is really great |
| 16:28.30 | cmartin|work | we just need to work how we can build everything from buildroot, incl. image creation ;) |
| 16:28.52 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: that is no problem, i did a quick look into simpadtools - pretty easy stuff :) |
| 16:29.21 | mickeyl | cmartin|work: ARNOLDBOOT is a good documented format :) |
| 16:29.28 | mickeyl | s/good/well |
| 16:29.33 | mickeyl | my grammar sucks today |
| 16:29.39 | mickeyl | going home - bbl |
| 16:29.41 | cmartin|work | i thought so too, just put in my initrd.bin where cram was expected |
| 16:30.01 | beattie | anybody here know anything about building kernels for OZ? |
| 16:30.21 | mickeyl | beattie: depends... what exactly do you want to know except how to build 2.4.19 ? |
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| 16:30.35 | beattie | how to enable the serial console |
| 16:31.05 | mickeyl | hmm... that should be giving the console argument to the kernel |
| 16:31.29 | mickeyl | change the kernel .config for 2.4.19 |
| 16:31.52 | beattie | mickeyl: right, I tried console=ttyS0,9600n8 in .config |
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| 16:31.54 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:32.01 | chouimat | hi noda |
| 16:32.17 | Twiun | hey noda |
| 16:32.29 | mickeyl | beattie: and that doesn't work? (btw., shouldn't it be ttySA ? i'm not familiar with that device stuff) |
| 16:32.40 | noda | Twiun: I think my cousin'll be lending me his 3C1 tomorrow :) |
| 16:32.57 | beattie | when it is runing it is ttyS0, that works |
| 16:33.08 | beattie | I'll try SA |
| 16:33.25 | Twiun | noda: Woohoo! |
| 16:33.32 | noda | mickeyl: Only ttyS0-ttyS31 can possibly exist :) |
| 16:33.59 | mickeyl | noda: ok, frankly, i just started fighting with kernels... I'm more into userland... |
| 16:34.03 | mickeyl | but i learn quick |
| 16:34.05 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 16:34.07 | noda | :) |
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| 16:43.16 | Twiun | whoa. my ipkg is a little foobar'd |
| 16:43.27 | Twiun | # ipkg --help |
| 16:43.27 | Twiun | ipkg: unrecognized option `--help' |
| 16:43.27 | Twiun | Ā áðß-éXĄå°LâT1åb-command |
| 16:43.27 | Twiun | āĀįÐMâ |
| 16:43.27 | Twiun | ipkg version 0.99.83 |
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| 16:57.29 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
| 16:57.46 | pb_ | yo Twiun |
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| 17:18.25 | mallum | treke: hey |
| 17:18.49 | treke | mornin |
| 17:19.05 | mallum | treke: any joy with OZ/X/ipaq ? |
| 17:19.48 | treke | didnt end up building images. Got side tracked on gtk2 to work on xstroke and xkbd |
| 17:20.41 | mallum | treke: ah cool, adding xkbd to buildroot ? |
| 17:21.03 | treke | that was the plan. Need some way out sending input to it :) |
| 17:21.25 | treke | it builds, just needs packaging into an ipk |
| 17:21.42 | treke | xstroke doesnt build yet |
| 17:21.51 | mallum | treke: did you grab it from here : http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/ ? |
| 17:21.55 | treke | yes |
| 17:22.20 | mallum | treke: cool, it has a 'make ipkg' target which may help |
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| 17:22.33 | treke | I didnt think of trying that :p |
| 17:23.11 | mallum | treke: did it build ok with xft2 , I need to update the autogubbins to use pkg-config rather than xft-config |
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| 17:31.48 | treke | mallum: not sure I need to look |
| 17:38.25 | chouimat|lunch | i think I will do the unthinkable .... will go buy some clothes |
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| 18:09.36 | tronical | hehe |
| 18:10.01 | treke | hehe |
| 18:10.50 | treke | kergoth`bbl: prelink works |
| 18:11.24 | tronical | treke: oh oz/ipaq? |
| 18:11.28 | tronical | oh=on |
| 18:11.28 | treke | yup |
| 18:11.36 | tronical | wheeee |
| 18:11.41 | kergoth`bbl | nice. |
| 18:11.42 | tronical | what did you do? did you try the new prelink release? |
| 18:11.48 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: still alive? |
| 18:11.54 | treke | tronical: I just built current buildroot with gcc3 and ran it |
| 18:12.04 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat|away: barely :) |
| 18:12.10 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: how do I enable the serial console? |
| 18:12.13 | kergoth`bbl | _ton_ of shit to do. |
| 18:12.16 | pb_ | treke: heh, that's cool. |
| 18:12.19 | kergoth`bbl | console= is your friend |
| 18:12.30 | treke | at least one thing I did yesterday worked :p |
| 18:12.32 | beattie | CONFIG_CMDLINE="noinitrd console=ttyS0,9600n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=jffs2 ucbts=sync" |
| 18:12.36 | beattie | no luck |
| 18:12.41 | tronical | treke: very cool. looks like the cause for it failing bacak then was a compiler/binutils bug. |
| 18:12.44 | kergoth`bbl | uh, why do you have two console= lines? |
| 18:12.44 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 18:13.04 | treke | tronical: of course it might not be working right, but it *looks* like it is to me |
| 18:13.28 | tronical | treke: but the apps don't just crash right away, do they? :) |
| 18:13.34 | treke | nope they dont crash |
| 18:13.35 | beattie | normally both take output the second take input, just trying to get someting in the port |
| 18:13.42 | tronical | treke: great. noticable difference? |
| 18:14.01 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: seems pointless to introduce additional complexity trying to get functionality. |
| 18:14.05 | treke | seemed snappier. Hard to tell since I compared gcc 2 -> prelink + gcc3 |
| 18:14.33 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: making the smallest change :) |
| 18:14.41 | tronical | treke: what do you see if you execute LD_DEBUG=statistics /opt/QtPalmtop/opie-todo for example? |
| 18:14.48 | treke | lemme check |
| 18:15.08 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: is console=ttyS0,9600n8 correct? |
| 18:15.37 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: moved yet? |
| 18:15.41 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: looks fine, unless you're hacking on 2.4.6 embedix, in which case it could very well need to be ttySA0 |
| 18:15.51 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat|away: leaving wednesday morning most likely |
| 18:15.55 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat|away: still a ton of things to do |
| 18:15.58 | beattie | kergoth`bbl: 2.4.19 |
| 18:16.10 | kergoth`bbl | beattie: then that is correct. |
| 18:16.17 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: ok ... now I'm going to buy some clothes :( |
| 18:16.54 | kergoth`bbl | clothes shopping .. bleh |
| 18:16.57 | beattie | I'll remove the second console= and see if that works |
| 18:17.28 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: yup alone ... maybe I will have some fun with the chicks in the stores |
| 18:17.45 | chouimat|away | what is the status of 2.4.19 on the collie? |
| 18:18.11 | kergoth`bbl | hasnt been touched by me in a very very long time |
| 18:18.37 | chouimat|away | ok I'm out |
| 18:19.10 | armenb | hi |
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| 19:05.07 | zecke|aw1y | tronical: did treke post the statistics? |
| 19:06.48 | treke | not yet |
| 19:06.57 | treke | its been very "monday |
| 19:06.58 | treke | " |
| 19:07.16 | treke | going to do it right now |
| 19:12.29 | beattie | hmmmmm, can't get the serial console working, makes bringing up a new kernel kinda hard :( |
| 19:17.50 | beattie | hmmm I removed the CF from my laptop without umounting, now I can't mount again |
| 19:21.42 | beattie | lhp_laptop should be glad he has a job and should be seeing how he can pay more taxes! |
| 19:21.54 | beattie | :^) |
| 19:23.59 | ljp_laptop | well, I do not want to be double taxed and have up to 50% of my income go elsewhere |
| 19:25.16 | beattie | well it's people like you that cost the top 1% of the nation so much trouble and expense |
| 19:26.03 | beattie | do you really get taxed twice? or is it 1.5 times, either way sucks |
| 19:26.31 | treke | yes because they dont pay 30-40% of their income already |
| 19:26.36 | ljp_laptop | well, I will pay Au income taxes, and if this bill passes, I would also pay US income taxes |
| 19:27.00 | ljp_laptop | the US is the only nation that taxes its citizens that work elsewhere |
| 19:27.10 | beattie | are taxes paid on the full gross income in both cases? |
| 19:27.19 | ljp_laptop | right now, I am exempt up to $80,000/yr |
| 19:27.31 | ljp_laptop | in th eUS |
| 19:30.03 | ljp_laptop | I believe so. |
| 19:30.35 | treke | ljp_laptop: find a good accountant before you leave |
| 19:31.30 | treke | tronical: what parts of the output are useful? |
| 19:31.52 | treke | 01686: number of relocations: 0 |
| 19:31.55 | treke | 01686: number of relocations from cache: 13759 |
| 19:32.56 | zecke|aw1y | ~ # LD_DEBUG=statistics /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/todolist |
| 19:32.57 | zecke|aw1y | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.57 | zecke|aw1y | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.10 | ljp_laptop | my accountant is bc |
| 19:33.20 | treke | # LD_DEBUG=statistics /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/todolist |
| 19:33.24 | treke | 01692: number of relocations: 0 |
| 19:33.27 | treke | 01692: number of relocations from cache: 13915 |
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| 19:56.12 | tronical | treke: excellent. those are the right numbers. cool cool |
| 19:57.57 | treke | prelink make thes the binaries larger, right? |
| 19:59.49 | pb_ | only very slightly. |
| 20:00.03 | pb_ | and runtime memory footprint is less. |
| 20:02.30 | mickeyl | Twiun: ping |
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| 20:06.38 | mickeyl | treke: can you explain something to me - in oz-base/sysvinit/devices-h3600 we have a script which says "devfs handling script. since we arent running devfsd due to various reasons... wee need to create some links for compatibility." - what is this script for? |
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| 20:07.34 | treke | mickeyl: creating symlinks for devices that are expected in different places |
| 20:07.52 | treke | such as ope |
| 20:07.53 | treke | opie |
| 20:08.00 | treke | it expects to open /dev/h3600_ts |
| 20:08.17 | pb_ | doesn't it use tslib nowadays? |
| 20:08.30 | mickeyl | treke: aah - this is just to cope with programs which doesn't know or care about devfs ? |
| 20:08.36 | mickeyl | pb_: optionally, but yes |
| 20:09.03 | treke | pb_: kerogth has some patches for that |
| 20:09.59 | Twiun | mickeyl: pong |
| 20:10.16 | mickeyl | Twiun: didn't you want to show me something in sysvinit earlier today? |
| 20:10.55 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, it's pushed into the buildroot |
| 20:11.07 | mickeyl | ah nice - sysvinit/packages ? |
| 20:11.11 | Twiun | yup |
| 20:11.14 | mickeyl | ok - reading that now |
| 20:11.25 | Twiun | much better to watch :) |
| 20:11.47 | treke | pb_: If I used it we'd be more incompatible with the curremt opie builds from hh.o |
| 20:12.07 | treke | as it is any of their packages work except for opie-login |
| 20:12.14 | mickeyl | Twiun: hehe, ok - now if i could recall how oz checks for a full reset.... |
| 20:12.18 | Twiun | mickeyl: copy it to /etc/init.d on your device, rm -f /etc/.configured ; /etc/init.d/packages |
| 20:12.32 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah cool - will do |
| 20:14.47 | mickeyl | now THAT is pretty well cool :) |
| 20:14.54 | mickeyl | Twiun: however I'd like to have my percentage back :) |
| 20:15.06 | mickeyl | maybe after 20 of 210 (5%) |
| 20:15.07 | mickeyl | ? |
| 20:15.15 | Twiun | mickeyl: did you read the changelog for that file? |
| 20:15.37 | Twiun | mickeyl: calculating the percentages is just too slow :( |
| 20:16.02 | mickeyl | Twiun: really? hey it is one div or isn't it? |
| 20:16.20 | Twiun | mickeyl: it is a div - but I think it's more the expr call that costs |
| 20:16.35 | Twiun | mickeyl: bbl dinner :) |
| 20:16.40 | mickeyl | k |
| 20:16.53 | mickeyl | definitly much better than before. |
| 20:17.16 | mickeyl | anyone knowing offhand if '#' in /etc/modules are allowed ? |
| 20:18.03 | mickeyl | nevermind - they are |
| 20:19.06 | treke | yeah |
| 20:20.40 | mickeyl | i suppose in modules.conf then also |
| 20:28.49 | treke | hrm,why does this keep happening with my images |
| 20:28.57 | treke | ipkg: /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/addressbook/AddressBook.png: Is a directory |
| 20:29.44 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 20:29.45 | mickeyl | strange |
| 20:29.59 | treke | mickeyl: it keeps happening, various items are corrupt |
| 20:30.17 | mickeyl | HEAD or BRANCH |
| 20:30.17 | mickeyl | ? |
| 20:30.25 | treke | its not OPIE |
| 20:31.37 | treke | its a problem with my jffs2 file system |
| 20:56.52 | ljp_laptop | M$ licensed SCO unix |
| 20:57.17 | mickeyl | ./etc/rcS.d/S01banner: cannot create /dev/tty0: Permission denied |
| 20:57.19 | mickeyl | hmm.... |
| 21:03.24 | Twiun | re |
| 21:04.31 | Twiun | mickeyl: so, yeah, percentages I'm going to have a good think about - going to try to see if I can do them without using expr and division |
| 21:05.15 | mickeyl | anyway its definitly much more user friendly now |
| 21:06.14 | Twiun | glad you like it :) |
| 21:06.28 | Twiun | I'm happy I found those ANSI sequences |
| 21:06.36 | Twiun | makes the display much neater |
| 21:06.42 | Twiun | (and the script simpler) |
| 21:06.55 | mickeyl | hehe, yeah |
| 21:07.06 | mickeyl | I think you should add some lines though |
| 21:07.09 | mickeyl | in the line o |
| 21:07.10 | mickeyl | f |
| 21:07.58 | mickeyl | "Welcome to OpenZaurus\nThis seems to be the first time you activated your device after a hard reset or a distribution upgrade\nWe're going to reconfigure all install packages. This will happen only once." |
| 21:08.04 | mickeyl | or something like that... |
| 21:08.11 | mickeyl | just to be friendly and verbose to the user |
| 21:08.30 | mickeyl | This will take a while but happen only once |
| 21:08.34 | Twiun | yah, that's a good idea |
| 21:08.57 | Twiun | should I bother with i18n functionality for this? |
| 21:09.03 | mickeyl | no |
| 21:09.47 | Twiun | ok, I'll put that in soon |
| 21:09.54 | mickeyl | great |
| 21:10.49 | ljp_laptop | note to self: make clean is _not_ make install |
| 21:11.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:11.20 | mickeyl | not quiet |
| 21:11.26 | mickeyl | quite even |
| 21:13.50 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 21:14.11 | ljp_laptop | my fingers think faster than my brain |
| 21:17.52 | djr | what would the correct memory usage be? used - buffers - cached? |
| 21:33.07 | Twiun | right, I'm out... g'night guys :) |
| 21:33.16 | mickeyl | g'night Twiun |
| 21:33.22 | mickeyl | ibot: botmail for schurig: patcher quits on previously applied patches - it shouldn't or should it? |
| 21:33.46 | Twiun[Zzzzz] | goes to catch some Zzzz's |
| 21:33.58 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:45.01 | mickeyl | anyone having a link to a large opiezilla picture? (preferably in the glas bowl) like 800x600 or so ? |
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| 21:45.31 | mickeyl | hi drw |
| 21:45.40 | drw | hey mickeyl |
| 21:45.47 | mickeyl | drw: having a link to a large opiezilla picture? (preferably in the glas bowl) like 800x600 or so ? |
| 21:46.38 | drw | hmmm...have one w/a penguin, but not opiezilla |
| 21:47.11 | mickeyl | hmm.... looking for a backdrop picture for the standard opie installation on SIMpad |
| 21:48.46 | drw | mickey: hang I will look on my other comp and see if I have anything useful |
| 21:48.51 | mickeyl | great |
| 21:52.06 | mickeyl | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=openzaurus |
| 21:52.06 | mickeyl | haha |
| 21:52.09 | mickeyl | this is cool |
| 21:53.36 | killefiz | yes - i always wanted oz boxershorts |
| 21:53.41 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:53.50 | mickeyl | gets the ladies |
| 21:54.05 | killefiz | hard to believe ;) |
| 21:54.08 | mickeyl | haha |
| 21:54.16 | mickeyl | "ooh is this cute.... can i take a closer look" |
| 21:54.19 | mickeyl | lol |
| 21:54.22 | mickeyl | you can darling |
| 21:54.38 | drw | mickeyl: I don't have any pics like that right now, wasn't there a big logo used on oz.org at one time? |
| 21:54.39 | tronical | the logo is misplaced on the boxershort tho ;) |
| 21:54.49 | tronical | for further investigations by female visitors ;) |
| 21:54.56 | mickeyl | drw: yeah, but its not looking that good... |
| 21:55.38 | mickeyl | drw: http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/PingiZauru |
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| 21:56.11 | mickeyl | the one in the orb does look way better as a backdrop |
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| 21:56.49 | mickeyl | http://opie.info/images/logo.png |
| 21:56.55 | mickeyl | would be gool if it was a bit larger |
| 21:56.59 | mickeyl | s/gool/cool |
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| 21:57.36 | mickeyl | and I like the aqua-like background - no idea who did this for the current opie default look |
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| 21:58.16 | drw | yeah, no idea |
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| 21:58.36 | drw | wasn't me, I have no graphic artist ability in me |
| 21:58.43 | mickeyl | me neither |
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| 22:06.53 | drw | mickeyl: how about http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/images/pingizauru.png ? it's not aqua style, but better |
| 22:08.20 | mickeyl | this one is relatively big, yeah |
| 22:34.49 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 2350 sqft in m2 |
| 22:34.51 | Sugar | 2350 sqft is 218.32214 mē |
| 22:35.35 | mickeyl | your new villa ? :-D |
| 22:40.35 | kenb | Sugar: what is 1627 sqft in m2 |
| 22:40.38 | Sugar | 1627 sqft is 151.15324 mē |
| 22:40.48 | kenb | hm. sounds good. |
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| 23:25.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
