irclog2html for #openembedded on 20030416

`00:03.14`	`ljp`	`never heard that before, eh?`
`00:04.20`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: arrrrrrrrgggggg RERUNS`
`00:04.34`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: wasn't sure ...`
`00:04.40`	`ljp`	`isnt it all reruns?`
`00:05.21`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: ok I'm away`
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`00:18.13`	`bipolar`	`OT: does anyone here run sybase SQL?`
`00:29.13`	`chouimat\|tv`	`bipolar: did once`
`00:32.18`	`masticator`	`sup homies.`
`00:36.26`	`ljp`	`rain is up`
`00:42.34`	`ljp`	`oh fun`
`00:44.40`	`chouimat\|tv`	`and I'm also watching my cat eatiing jalapenos and cheddar Doritos`
`00:47.19`	`ljp`	`you have a freak cat`
`00:47.36`	`_Psycho_`	`indeed`
`00:54.59`	`bipolar`	`chouimat\|tv: on what platform?`
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`01:01.07`	`chouimat\|tv`	`he just likes chips`
`01:01.26`	`ljp`	`I need to trade two of my desktop machines for a laptop, I think`
`01:04.53`	`ljp`	`I miss having a lappie`
`01:05.53`	`_Psycho_`	`damn 231 changesets`
`01:06.14`	`_Psycho_`	`glibc didnt wanted to build, i used glib2 in the menu and look fine, its ok ?`
`01:06.48`	`dcarmich`	`hey...trying to reboot and the power/mail lights stay on...`
`01:08.14`	`dcarmich`	`locked up`
`01:08.16`	`dcarmich`	`what gives?`
`01:08.48`	`[aSQUi]`	`are you flashing it or rebooting it?`
`01:11.59`	`dcarmich`	`rebooting it`
`01:15.12`	`ljp`	`I hate daylight savings time`
`01:16.36`	`_Psycho_`	`so much stuff to rebuild`
`01:17.04`	`_Psycho_`	`ljp you know if ker did a lots of update to opie ?`
`01:17.16`	`ljp`	`he has been, yes`
`01:17.17`	`_Psycho_`	`ie, do i need to rebuild opie, if like he corrected a lots of c700 stuff`
`01:18.19`	`_Psycho_`	`hmmm ok`
`01:18.21`	`ljp`	`there has been alot of opie activity the past few days`
`01:18.48`	`chouimat\|tv`	`my brother sent me something about some american who want Compaq to change the name of the ipaq for something else because it's soound to much like iraq`
`01:18.50`	`ljp`	`looks like kerggy worked on rotate stuff and network`
`01:19.08`	`ljp`	`hehehe thats twisted`
`01:19.18`	`_Psycho_`	`how long does it take to do a opie build ?`
`01:19.18`	`ljp`	`freedom fries!`
`01:19.22`	`_Psycho_`	`like`
`01:19.32`	`_Psycho_`	`i did a full oz last time didnt checked opie only`
`01:19.41`	`ljp`	`from a make clean. not sure anymore`
`01:19.43`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: hehe`
`01:19.50`	`_Psycho_`	`trying`
`01:19.56`	`dcarmich`	`love oz3.2!!!`
`01:20.01`	`ljp`	`change it to the Compaq Freedom`
`01:20.54`	`ljp`	`hmm, looks like I have an interview with warwick this week. coolio`
`01:21.05`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: ya I just bought a Compaq Freedom 5900`
`01:21.12`	`_Psycho_`	`for opie web site ?`
`01:21.43`	`ljp`	`opie web site?`
`01:21.59`	`_Psycho_`	`the interview`
`01:22.05`	`_Psycho_`	`for what site ?`
`01:22.10`	`_Psycho_`	`for what ? for a job hehe`
`01:22.16`	`ljp`	`no site, a job interview`
`01:22.22`	`_Psycho_`	`ooh cool`
`01:22.38`	`_Psycho_`	`where does it work ?`
`01:22.41`	`dcarmich`	`problem...`
`01:22.44`	`ljp`	`not sure if its for qtopia developer or qtopia dev liason`
`01:22.48`	`_Psycho_`	`Im never good with name, even if i know him`
`01:22.53`	`_Psycho_`	`oh i see`
`01:22.57`	`_Psycho_`	`Trooltech ?`
`01:23.05`	`ljp`	`warwick is head of Trolltechs qtopia div`
`01:23.09`	`_Psycho_`	`i see`
`01:23.25`	`dcarmich`	`define a calendar event from 1:00pm CDT-2:40pm CDT (13:00-14:40 according to qtopia desktop)...sync it up with my sl1500/oz3.2....it comes out as 7am-8:40am.`
`01:23.40`	`ljp`	`gmt?`
`01:23.53`	`_Psycho_`	`hmm cannot apply the opie-sudo.patch thing brb`
`01:24.00`	`dcarmich`	`ljp>no...I have it set to the chicago timezone.`
`01:24.17`	`ljp`	`looks like to made it gmt`
`01:24.36`	`ljp`	`hmm nope too much`
`01:24.46`	`dcarmich`	`ljp>what do you mean? times are same in Opie...`
`01:25.23`	`ljp`	`comes out in qtopiadesktop as that odd time?`
`01:25.44`	`dcarmich`	`comes out in the calendar app on the zaurus.`
`01:25.50`	`_Psycho_`	`hmm no file build/opie/.patches/opie-sudo.files`
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`01:34.27`	`_Psycho_`	`ok well removed the patch since i dont use sudo yet*`
`01:36.49`	`_Psycho_`	`ljp if you work for TT thats mean you will stop working on opie for Qtopia ?`
`01:37.01`	`_Psycho_`	`or just QT`
`01:37.42`	`_Psycho_`	`or totally something else ? :)`
`01:37.53`	`ljp`	`dunno.`
`01:38.24`	`ljp`	`I'd probably end up being a named pipe between opie and qtopia :)`
`01:38.30`	`_Psycho_`	`going there tomorow or just later this week ?`
`01:38.39`	`ljp`	`irc interview`
`01:38.42`	`_Psycho_`	`oh`
`01:38.46`	`_Psycho_`	`i thought it was RL`
`01:38.56`	`ljp`	`too far to fly`
`01:39.10`	`_Psycho_`	`i see`
`01:39.36`	`_Psycho_`	`you from US ?`
`01:39.38`	`_Psycho_`	`and TT too ?`
`01:39.40`	`ljp`	`yes`
`01:39.49`	`_Psycho_`	`just other side of the countrY ?`
`01:39.50`	`ljp`	`TT qtopia is in australia`
`01:39.53`	`_Psycho_`	`oh`
`01:39.54`	`_Psycho_`	`hehe`
`01:40.05`	`_Psycho_`	`my brother love australia, he was there like 9 months for work`
`01:40.10`	`dcarmich`	`ljp>still here?`
`01:41.00`	`[aSQUi]`	`ljp: really?.. what part of aus is TT qtopia?`
`01:41.34`	`ljp`	`the office is in Brisbane`
`01:42.16`	`[aSQUi]`	`interesting. I'm guessing most developers work from whatever their location?`
`01:43.12`	`ljp`	`not TT. but OPie, yes. we have devs mostly in Germany and Europe, but US and translators all over`
`01:44.31`	`_Psycho_`	`make sure they buy you a c700 in your contract, so you can optimize opie for it grins`
`01:44.43`	`_Psycho_`	`australia not far from japan thought`
`01:44.56`	`_Psycho_`	`well, not far`
`01:45.26`	`_Psycho_`	`you coded the op2 ljp ?`
`01:45.54`	`ljp`	`yes and no. sandman totally refactored op2`
`01:46.01`	`ljp`	`op2 uses xine`
`01:46.01`	`_Psycho_`	`oh i see`
`01:46.12`	`_Psycho_`	`xmms play mp3 too slow on my machine, mplaye rjust fine, and opieplayer too fast :)`
`01:46.16`	`_Psycho_`	`yeah i know`
`01:46.24`	`_Psycho_`	`saw that when i compiled it`
`01:46.39`	`_Psycho_`	`i`
`01:47.03`	`ljp`	`hmm. odd`
`01:47.09`	`_Psycho_`	`yep`
`01:47.40`	`_Psycho_`	`probably a cpu check flag or speed something that opieplayer doesnt check or cant check ont he c700 and play at his max speed?`
`01:47.50`	`_Psycho_`	`dont know, making theory while it compile :)`
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`01:48.34`	`ljp`	`naaa. mediaplayer dont touch cpu stuff`
`01:48.46`	`[aSQUi]`	`Is there any avantgo-esque stuff for OZ?`
`01:48.48`	`_Psycho_`	`ah ok`
`01:48.56`	`[aSQUi]`	`coulding find anything about online/offline browsing on the gaq`
`01:49.06`	`[aSQUi]`	`faq even`
`01:49.23`	`tmm1`	`hi`
`01:50.00`	`tmm1`	`kergoth:`
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`01:51.03`	`james_lan-me`	`hello`
`01:53.32`	`decaff`	`if i build the collie-feed in bitkeeper then "ipkg upgrade" from that feed, does that give me the same result as building the image and reflashing?`
`02:07.00`	`_Psycho_`	`damn error buildin qte now sigh`
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`02:24.10`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`wb masticator`
`02:24.16`	`treke\|home`	`wb`
`02:29.38`	`_Psycho_`	`oh finnaly got qte lib up`
`02:29.59`	`masticator`	`heya.`
`02:30.17`	`masticator`	`had to reboot my friggin XP box.`
`02:31.02`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`ljp: sound chinese`
`02:31.25`	`ljp`	`you havent heard of poontang?`
`02:31.48`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`no`
`02:31.59`	`_Psycho_`	`no`
`02:32.03`	`masticator`	`poontang is good, when it isnt fishy.`
`02:32.06`	`ljp`	`Ted Nugent - Wang Dang Sweet Poontang ?`
`02:32.22`	`ljp`	`fishy... eeeewwww`
`02:32.46`	`ljp`	`chouimat\|cooking: kinda looks chinese`
`02:33.18`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`I think I got the idea`
`02:35.18`	`masticator`	`god I love acrophobia.`
`02:36.07`	`chouimat\|cooking`	`masticator: ?`
`02:36.53`	`ljp`	`well, if you love it so much, why not marry it?`
`02:37.56`	`masticator`	`www.uproar.com`
`02:37.58`	`masticator`	`free game`
`02:38.03`	`masticator`	`net play`
`02:38.08`	`masticator`	`runs in a brower in java`
`02:38.24`	`masticator`	`they give you letters, you have to make up an acronym`
`02:38.31`	`masticator`	`and people judge it by how funny it is`
`02:38.35`	`masticator`	`simple but very addictive`
`02:38.43`	`_Psycho_`	`damn just finished my bottle of bailey's`
`02:38.46`	`masticator`	`they have clean and adult rooms you can play in`
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`02:45.10`	`AAA`	`what is the best way to circumvent the SharpROM's 'calibrate your screen' on the initial boot?`
`02:45.22`	`AAA`	`I changed inittab, to no avail`
`02:48.41`	`AAA`	`OZ was on here......until I stepped on it :(`
`02:48.54`	`AAA`	`zapped it back to 'flashville'`
`02:49.10`	`ljp`	`make a calibration configuration file`
`02:49.36`	`ljp`	`broken digitizer?`
`02:50.13`	`scanline`	`on my zaurus with a broken digitizer, I could usually get the calibrator to segfault by tapping randomly`
`02:50.35`	`scanline`	`but that was a while ago, so that bug might have been unfortunately fixed :)`
`02:53.23`	`AAA`	`I have tapped....oh...I have tapped :)`
`02:53.36`	`AAA`	`I am not sure I know what you mean by 'digitizer'`
`02:54.04`	`AAA`	`is that what makes the screen a 'touchscreen' then`
`02:54.32`	`ljp`	`I think so`
`02:54.47`	`AAA`	`this would be some much easier with either a) vim b)keyboard c) working network`
`02:54.54`	`AAA`	`k, that makes sense`
`02:55.38`	`AAA`	`but why doesn't it obey /etc/inittab?`
`02:55.47`	`AAA`	`it is still trying to boot 5`
`02:56.07`	`ljp`	`dunno. ask kergoth`
`02:59.14`	`AAA`	`hrm. maybe it is this pesky firstuse file`
`03:02.42`	`AAA`	`shit`
`03:02.47`	`AAA`	`I think I figured out why :(`
`03:04.01`	`AAA`	`maybe not`
`03:04.13`	`AAA`	`I thought it was reseting itself continuallly`
`03:04.22`	`AAA`	`but last shows me the reboots`
`03:05.51`	`ljp`	`anyone test advancedfm from cvs today yet?`
`03:06.06`	`_Psycho_`	`well still building opie atm`
`03:06.10`	`_Psycho_`	`most likely will get to it`
`03:07.01`	`ljp`	`cause I changed the copy/move method to something supposed to be faster and less memory.`
`03:07.34`	`ljp`	`on my desktop, its faster on large files`
`03:07.47`	`ljp`	`cant tell on small files. :)`
`03:08.01`	`_Psycho_`	`doubt i test tonight`
`03:08.04`	`_Psycho_`	`probaly tomorow`
`03:08.34`	`ljp`	`hmm, got no mail the past hour.. somethings wrong`
`03:08.36`	`[aSQUi]`	`ljp: Is there anything avant-go-like for the Z?`
`03:09.04`	`ljp`	`hmm, I forgot what that was..`
`03:10.15`	`ljp`	`ooh.. hmm`
`03:10.18`	`[aSQUi]`	`it's like.. synch some feeds onto your PDA and browse them on the go`
`03:10.41`	`[aSQUi]`	`like offline browser.. but avantgo pages are generally quite simple.. I know they use them on palms`
`03:11.06`	`[aSQUi]`	`just think it would be cool (if you cant already) if you could pick a few feeds that you like so that when you synch it updates them`
`03:11.34`	`[aSQUi]`	`ie. read the top slashdot stories on the go, and movie times, news.google stuff etc`
`03:13.24`	`ljp`	`hmm, dont think so. but your welcome to write something for opie :)`
`03:13.39`	`[aSQUi]`	`excellent.. I plan to :)`
`03:13.45`	`[aSQUi]`	`I was hoping there'd be room for a project like that :)`
`03:14.27`	`ljp`	`sure. thats sounds cool`
`03:14.45`	`[aSQUi]`	`I've been a PHP coder for quite sometime.. i don't know much C/CPP but enough to have modified a few KDE apps ages ago for a webtablet device.`
`03:15.51`	`[aSQUi]`	`i plan to use it as a way to learn C more and get some proper experience with widget sets`
`03:16.02`	`ljp`	`cool. we just out up opie API docs at the web site`
`03:16.10`	`[aSQUi]`	`groovy`
`03:17.03`	`[aSQUi]`	`I was thinking of writing php scripts that parse common websites into a Z-able format`
`03:17.25`	`[aSQUi]`	`on a stream by stream basis`
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`03:18.22`	`[aSQUi]`	`but i'll really have to look more into it beforehand`
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`03:38.54`	`krezel`	`seems like a better fit for Perl`
`03:53.01`	`[aSQUi]`	`I don't know perl, but it would certainly be a good opportunity to start :)`
`04:00.44`	`masticator`	`tomorrow is heartburn day.`
`04:00.54`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: ?`
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`04:01.01`	`masticator`	`mother in law's cooking.`
`04:01.01`	`armenb`	`hi`
`04:01.06`	`masticator`	`first night of passover.`
`04:01.08`	`masticator`	`dreadful.`
`04:01.33`	`masticator`	`I don't like most eastern european jewish cooking.`
`04:01.38`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: ok ....`
`04:01.58`	`masticator`	`there are only a few dishes I like.`
`04:02.02`	`masticator`	`yo goth.`
`04:02.03`	`armenb`	`Is there a place I can download a tarball of the kernel source and configuration used in openzaurus 3.2?`
`04:02.06`	`kergoth`	`hey`
`04:02.13`	`kergoth`	`armenb: search the faqs for 'source'`
`04:02.15`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:02.23`	`armenb`	`I'd rather not use bitkeeper, since that requires me to use software i'd probably never use`
`04:02.24`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: my ex-mother-iin-law was a big zero in cooking ,`
`04:02.31`	`kergoth`	`armenb: then get a snapshot`
`04:02.36`	`kergoth`	`ibot: oz snapshot`
`04:02.37`		`methinks oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK`
`04:02.40`	`kergoth`	`armenb: ^^`
`04:02.48`	`icefox`	`morning kergoth`
`04:02.50`	`masticator`	`chouimat: I thought all french people could cook`
`04:02.50`	`icefox`	`:)`
`04:02.53`	`kergoth`	`hey ben`
`04:02.56`	`kergoth`	`whats goin on`
`04:02.59`	`armenb`	`ooh neat.`
`04:03.05`	`masticator`	`yo ben.`
`04:03.07`	`masticator`	`up late.`
`04:03.17`	`icefox`	`:)`
`04:03.26`	`icefox`	`Wrote KAutoConfigDialog this weekend`
`04:03.27`	`chouimat\|afk`	`kergoth: you will get late again tomorrow`
`04:03.30`	`masticator`	`1st year anniversary coming up soon right?`
`04:03.47`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|afk: naw, i dont have to get to work till 10`
`04:04.52`	`chouimat\|afk`	`kergoth: ok my brother is coming tomorrow and I have the impression he will be here at 9 am`
`04:05.04`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|afk: ah`
`04:05.11`	`kergoth`	`Sugar: make me a scotch & watcher`
`04:05.13`	`kergoth`	`Sugar: make me a scotch & water`
`04:05.17`	`[aSQUi]`	`I get my Z in like.. 2days!`
`04:05.17`	`kergoth`	`pfft.`
`04:05.21`	`kergoth`	`stupid bitch.`
`04:05.27`	`kergoth`	`[aSQUi]: nice`
`04:05.38`	`icefox`	`I wonder if having KAutoConfig/KAutoConfigDialog is worth it for OE.`
`04:05.42`	`[aSQUi]`	`then I'll need accessories before i can really play..`
`04:05.52`	`[aSQUi]`	`i'll be stuck on the standard sharp rom for a little at first`
`04:05.59`	`icefox`	`Most OE apps don't exactly have a big settings dialog to begin with`
`04:06.02`	`kergoth`	`icefox: probably overkill.. /me shrugs`
`04:06.13`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`04:06.17`	`icefox`	`one of those 'need to see the numbers' things`
`04:06.28`	`icefox`	`definetly helps on the KDE side`
`04:06.31`	`ljp`	`scotch & watcher?`
`04:06.43`	`ljp`	`you already too drunk!`
`04:07.10`	`chouimat\|afk`	`speaking of getting drunk I need another beer`
`04:07.23`	`icefox`	`hehe MSTF is at $25`
`04:07.25`	`icefox`	`my my`
`04:07.30`	`kergoth`	`ljp: bah`
`04:07.39`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a mojito`
`04:08.21`	`masticator`	`hmm, that rocked its brain.`
`04:08.24`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:08.31`	`kergoth`	`Sugar: make me a long island`
`04:08.40`	`kergoth`	`guess it just ignores requests it doesnt understand.`
`04:08.42`	`masticator`	`Sugar: make me a caipirinha`
`04:08.46`	`kergoth`	`ibot: bitchslap Sugar`
`04:08.47`		`ACTION beats the sh*t out of Sugar`
`04:08.56`	`chouimat\|afk`	`sugar make me a velvet pussy`
`04:08.56`	`masticator`	`Sugar: make me a tom collins`
`04:09.05`	`treke\|home`	`actually, I think I'll also add RunRoot`
`04:09.08`	`armenb`	`is there a howto on how to use the snapshots?`
`04:09.18`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a slippery nipple`
`04:09.19`	`armenb`	`i get errors by just running vanilla make`
`04:09.26`	`kergoth`	`armenb: cp def-config/collie-opie .config; make oldconfig; make`
`04:09.32`	`kergoth`	`armenb: the steps are the same as for a bitkeeper build`
`04:09.34`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a pan galactic gargle blaster`
`04:09.41`	`kergoth`	`armenb: or run make menuconfig, then make`
`04:09.57`	`masticator`	`cool.`
`04:10.00`	`chouimat\|afk`	`lol`
`04:10.04`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`04:10.07`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a romulan ale`
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`04:10.18`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a tranya`
`04:10.38`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a bloody bull`
`04:10.45`	`kergoth`	`eh`
`04:10.50`	`kergoth`	`'all ingredients'`
`04:10.57`	`kergoth`	`lazy bitch`
`04:11.00`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:11.15`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a sloe gin fizz`
`04:11.41`	`treke\|home`	`sugar, make me a working patch`
`04:11.42`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a sake bomber`
`04:11.57`	`masticator`	`what, no sake bomber?`
`04:12.14`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:12.18`	`kergoth`	`whats in a sake bomber?`
`04:12.18`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a japanese basket trick`
`04:12.19`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: don'tt drink too much you will see you mother-in-law tomorrow :)`
`04:12.34`	`masticator`	`chou: drinking will only IMPROVE the experience`
`04:12.46`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`04:13.01`	`[aSQUi]`	`Sugar: make me a japanese slipper`
`04:13.06`	`masticator`	`kergoth: you take a kirin ichiban beer, pour about half a glass worth into a glass, and drop a shot of sake into it`
`04:13.09`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: that will be that WORSE?`
`04:13.25`	`[aSQUi]`	`as if not know a japanerse slipper`
`04:13.34`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: hmmm sound good`
`04:13.36`	`[aSQUi]`	`Sugar: make me a vodka martini`
`04:13.43`	`masticator`	`sugar: make me a black and tan`
`04:13.54`	`[aSQUi]`	`Sugar: show me the drinks list`
`04:13.54`	`[aSQUi]`	`:)`
`04:14.16`	`chouimat\|afk`	`but i still prefer the Velvet Pussy`
`04:14.34`	`[aSQUi]`	`i prefer the cocksucking cowboys`
`04:14.38`	`[aSQUi]`	`hehe`
`04:15.09`	`chouimat\|afk`	`[aSQUi]: take a guinness and drop a glass of port wine`
`04:15.53`	`[aSQUi]`	`sounds more like an old housewive's trick to induce vomiting`
`04:16.12`	`mithro`	`kergoth: havn't made much progress, been uber busy :(`
`04:16.15`	`treke\|home`	`hmmm. maybe I need an x86 opie again`
`04:16.18`	`kergoth`	`mithro: same.`
`04:16.40`	`chouimat\|afk`	`[aSQUi]: actually it's very good`
`04:16.49`	`masticator`	`hey, I could use a 64 bit opie.`
`04:16.50`	`[aSQUi]`	`Oh.. in case anyone is interested the offical word from sharp is that they are not releasing the 5600 in australia`
`04:16.59`	`armenb`	`i'm probably making a really stupid mistake, but I've selected a 2.4.6 kernel, but see make fetching 2.4.18 kernel headers. should i be alarmed? :)`
`04:17.14`	`kergoth`	`armenb: nope, ignore it`
`04:17.30`	`[aSQUi]`	`mix n match is always more fun anyway ;)`
`04:17.37`	`kergoth`	`armenb: it grabs an independent set of headers for the glibc build, to avoid forcing the user to select a kernel to build the rest of the buildroot.`
`04:17.39`	`masticator`	`asqui: they arent exactly releasing the 5600 in the US either`
`04:17.51`	`cynTop`	`I still say I see no reason for the 5600 ;P`
`04:17.54`	`[aSQUi]`	`masticator: oh?`
`04:18.03`	`mithro`	`kergoth: had any chance to contact sharp about the keymap?`
`04:18.07`	`[aSQUi]`	`what's the story then?`
`04:18.07`	`masticator`	`well, if you can call a production run of 2000 units a release.`
`04:18.17`	`cynTop`	`wow man`
`04:18.26`	`cynTop`	`'special edition' stuff generally makes like 10,000`
`04:18.35`	`[aSQUi]`	`They realised that it was a complete flop?`
`04:18.39`	`masticator`	`this is not to say they wont make more, but nobody is pounding on their door to buy them`
`04:18.48`	`[aSQUi]`	`All it did was drive the price of the 5500 down..`
`04:18.52`	`cynTop`	`yea`
`04:18.56`	`masticator`	`asqui, they have already designed its replacement`
`04:19.01`	`cynTop`	`they need to slap 64mb ram in it and then sell it`
`04:19.09`	`cynTop`	`masticator: any specs`
`04:19.13`	`chouimat\|afk`	`kergoth: I received an email from my brother telling me that some american want Compaq to change the name of the Ipaq to something else because they think that sound a little too much like Iraq`
`04:19.23`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|afk: bah.`
`04:19.27`	`masticator`	`now as to whether that replacement will see the light of day, thats another story`
`04:19.28`	`cynTop`	`chouimat\|afk: i love how stupid people can be`
`04:19.48`	`[aSQUi]`	`my theory is that the 5600 was released too late after the mark`
`04:19.52`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`04:19.52`	`icefox`	`?`
`04:19.59`	`treke\|home`	`put 64mb of ram, a bigger batter, and one of the new xscales into it, and I'd be all over that like shit on a hog`
`04:20.03`	`chouimat\|afk`	`cynTop: yup`
`04:20.03`	`mithro`	`masticator: whats the "replacement" got?`
`04:20.03`	`[aSQUi]`	`the 5500 has a solid market and no one wants to pay an extra 50% for a unit that's slightly better`
`04:20.18`	`cynTop`	`treke\|home: the 5600 has all but the ram :P`
`04:20.23`	`treke\|home`	`cynTop: no`
`04:20.24`	`masticator`	`mitro: its a souped up C700`
`04:20.24`	`kergoth`	`eh`
`04:20.30`	`treke\|home`	`cynTop: it doesnt have the new xscale`
`04:20.30`	`masticator`	`thats really what it is.`
`04:20.37`	`icefox`	`damm jason I keep thinking that you arn't masticator`
`04:20.37`	`cynTop`	`5600 is xscale`
`04:20.40`	`mithro`	`the C700 rocks ass`
`04:20.42`	`cynTop`	`or you mean the 55 or whatever`
`04:20.45`	`cynTop`	`revision c`
`04:20.46`	`[aSQUi]`	`the xscale in the 5600 i've heard isn't really that much faster than the 5500`
`04:20.52`	`kergoth`	`icefox: i'm sure people keep thinking you arent benmeyer ;)`
`04:20.57`	`icefox`	`maybe`
`04:20.58`	`masticator`	`icefox: who the fuck is jason`
`04:21.00`	`[aSQUi]`	`MHz from SA to xScale isnt a 1 to 1`
`04:21.01`	`icefox`	`:)`
`04:21.05`	`treke\|home`	`cynTop: ntice the "new". I 'm refering to the c model`
`04:21.25`	`[aSQUi]`	`I've heard the SA even outperforms the xScale 400 in some situations`
`04:21.27`	`cynTop`	`treke\|home: "new" is "new" as "new" does - you gotta be specific, that's a revision not a new chip`
`04:21.32`	`masticator`	`I don't know any jason`
`04:21.40`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: he's referring to the C0 aka pxa255`
`04:21.42`	`cynTop`	`right`
`04:21.48`	`masticator`	`I am masticator, he who chews.`
`04:21.55`	`treke\|home`	`what the fuck ever. someone get me a drink`
`04:22.00`	`cynTop`	`mmm alco`
`04:22.04`	`cynTop`	`wait I'm straight edge`
`04:22.04`	`chouimat\|afk`	`masticator: maybe he was one of you previous life :)`
`04:22.05`	`masticator`	`~lart treke`
`04:22.19`	`treke\|home`	`worthwhile tradeoff`
`04:22.21`	`mithro`	`the screen on the c700 kicks ass`
`04:22.22`	`[aSQUi]`	`heh.. how come everyone's pissing it up tonight`
`04:22.26`	`cynTop`	`mithro: i'll agree`
`04:22.31`	`treke\|home`	`[aSQUi]: crappy days`
`04:22.37`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`04:22.38`	`kergoth`	`bad day`
`04:22.39`	`[aSQUi]`	`ahh..`
`04:22.42`	`[aSQUi]`	`i'm still in my day`
`04:22.49`	`[aSQUi]`	`it's like 2:24 in the arvo`
`04:22.55`	`kergoth`	`ah, so you'll be drinking later then`
`04:22.58`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`04:23.14`	`[aSQUi]`	`nah.. not tonight`
`04:23.22`	`[aSQUi]`	`Most probably on the weekend lots`
`04:23.30`	`[aSQUi]`	`we get fri,sat, sun, mon off this weekend`
`04:23.45`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`04:23.46`	`[aSQUi]`	`and a friend from the US is arriving 9am friday morning`
`04:23.54`	`kergoth`	`have a good time`
`04:23.54`	`[aSQUi]`	`with my Zaurus :)`
`04:24.02`	`cynTop`	`woo`
`04:24.09`	`cynTop`	`congrats`
`04:24.12`	`[aSQUi]`	`there will be much jubilation`
`04:24.24`	`[aSQUi]`	`and much cursing that i still have to spend more than the price of the unit on accessories`
`04:24.29`	`chouimat\|afk`	`[I'm off for the weekend since 18h00EST`
`04:24.29`	`masticator`	`wouldnt it be easier to buy a B500?`
`04:24.38`	`treke\|home`	`now at lest I get an accurate view of how fast this thing compiles qt :)`
`04:24.39`	`[aSQUi]`	`B500??`
`04:24.46`	`cynTop`	`treke\|home: but yeah, the revised chipset would be nice, with modified hardware to make use of bus increase to boot`
`04:24.53`	`masticator`	`he's bringing you a 5600?`
`04:24.59`	`[aSQUi]`	`nonono`
`04:25.02`	`[aSQUi]`	`5500`
`04:25.08`	`masticator`	`ah ok.`
`04:25.18`	`[aSQUi]`	`cost me about 220 USD`
`04:25.20`	`chouimat\|afk`	`ok shower time bb`
`04:26.17`	`mithro`	`only problem left with opie on the c700 that i've found is that keymap is screwed... but i'm working on that...`
`04:26.36`	`mithro`	`i snapped my stylus :(`
`04:27.50`	`[aSQUi]`	`jeez.. how hard do you want to click`
`04:28.06`	`[aSQUi]`	`mithro: the c700 is the 640x480 one isnt it?`
`04:28.13`	`mithro`	`yeah`
`04:28.18`	`[aSQUi]`	`how much did you get that for?`
`04:28.22`	`mithro`	`[aSQUi]: i dropped it from about 1 meter`
`04:28.28`	`mithro`	`about $500 US`
`04:28.42`	`[aSQUi]`	`yeah.. cant justify spending that much on a toy :)`
`04:28.57`	`[aSQUi]`	`maybe when my work stops paying me shit money`
`04:29.51`	`mithro`	`took a year to save that up so :)`
`04:30.00`	`[aSQUi]`	`getting paid about $12 USD/hr`
`04:30.01`	`treke\|home`	`hrm. that wasnt bad`
`04:30.10`	`treke\|home`	`4 mintues to compile qt/e :)`
`04:30.33`	`[aSQUi]`	`to do database and PHP enterprise ecommerce solution coding`
`04:30.47`	`[aSQUi]`	`how stingy is that?!`
`04:30.58`	`mithro`	`[aSQUi]: you get paid double what i do...`
`04:31.10`	`[aSQUi]`	`mithro: oh.. what do you do?`
`04:31.26`	`mithro`	`i'm a network administrator and programmer`
`04:31.40`	`[aSQUi]`	`fuck.. really you only get like 6/hr?`
`04:31.47`	`kergoth`	`i'm making $18/hr USD for unix tech support`
`04:31.48`	`kergoth`	`heh.`
`04:31.49`	`treke\|home`	`where the hell is this?`
`04:32.06`	`mithro`	`i'm in AUS so it's $10 AUS which ~= $6 US`
`04:32.14`	`[aSQUi]`	`mithro: i'min aus too`
`04:32.29`	`mithro`	`hrm the hardware clock gets reset everytime you reboot`
`04:32.36`	`icefox`	`:)`
`04:32.38`	`[aSQUi]`	`what state you in mith?`
`04:32.39`	`cynTop`	`kergoth: hook a brother up :P`
`04:32.48`	`mithro`	`south australia`
`04:32.49`	`treke\|home`	`mithro: you make more than that working at an in and out around here`
`04:32.54`	`cynTop`	`40k/yr ain't nothin to snuff at :)`
`04:32.57`	`[aSQUi]`	`mithro: no one's perfect ;)`
`04:33.07`	`cynTop`	`50-70'd be nice tho`
`04:33.09`	`kergoth`	`true that. i made $9/hr working fucking retail sales for gods sake`
`04:33.10`	`mithro`	`[aSQUi]: yeah i know :)`
`04:33.12`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: did the hh guys ever come up with a work around for the clock?`
`04:33.15`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: indeed`
`04:33.25`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: havent heard anything on that front`
`04:33.27`	`[aSQUi]`	`that's what pissed me off`
`04:33.36`	`[aSQUi]`	`I get paid clerk wages`
`04:33.45`	`[aSQUi]`	`I should get paid engineering wages`
`04:34.27`	`[aSQUi]`	`i know people that get paid about $20-$25 AUD/hr to do telemarketing for christs sakes`
`04:34.55`	`treke\|home`	`sales people bring in money. programmers dont unless you sell software :)`
`04:35.09`	`treke\|home`	`at least from managements point of view :)`
`04:35.41`	`kergoth`	`indeed.`
`04:35.45`	`kergoth`	`idiots`
`04:35.56`	`kergoth`	`sales sells a product. engineers create a product`
`04:36.17`	`[aSQUi]`	`yeah.. but internal development isn't sold`
`04:36.23`	`[aSQUi]`	`it's just used`
`04:36.44`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`04:38.20`	`[aSQUi]`	`our stuff is suppoed to be gpled but it's not useful to anyone but us`
`04:38.37`	`[aSQUi]`	`it's all specialised to take data imports from our custom management apps in custom formats etc etc`
`04:38.48`	`treke\|home`	`yeah we've got some of that stuff. Some of it could actually be useful though`
`04:39.58`	`chouimat`	`~lart videotron`
`04:40.04`	`chouimat`	`~lart videotron`
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`04:41.52`	`fishy`	`lol`
`04:43.57`	`chouimat`	`fishy: ?`
`04:44.46`	`fishy`	`* f~ibot installs PocketPC on videotron's PDA`
`04:44.47`	`fishy`	`:)`
`04:45.26`	`chouimat`	`fishy: ok ... their mailserver seems down again`
`04:45.38`	`fishy`	`?`
`04:45.47`	`chouimat`	`fishy: my isp`
`04:46.16`	`mithro`	`kergoth: you where mentioning the fact you (used to) had a patch which imports kernel map into qt?`
`04:46.29`	`fishy`	`ohh ok ;)`
`04:46.58`	`mithro`	`kergoth: how did it work? was it runtime or compile time?`
`04:47.50`	`kergoth`	`mithro: runtime. it used ioctl()'s to obtain the current kernel map, and used it to create teh qt keymap (since qt opens the keyboard in raw mode to get both press and release events)`
`04:48.06`	`kergoth`	`mithro: same way xfree86's kdrive keyboard driver does it`
`04:48.28`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: ck6 is out :)`
`04:48.35`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: how is it/`
`04:52.07`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I hope is better than ck5 ... I'm on ck4 now .... 512MB ramm used while I was burning a cd on ck5 no gui :(`
`04:52.12`	`[aSQUi]`	`netshit :(`
`04:52.14`	`fishy`	`yeehaw`
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`04:54.21`	`kergoth`	`whee.`
`04:54.25`	`kergoth`	`chouimat: k`
`04:55.03`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I'm sick`
`04:56.16`	`treke\|home`	`night`
`04:56.54`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`nigth`
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`05:13.47`	`[aSQUi]`	`kinda..`
`05:14.07`	`dcarmich`	`you use qtopia desktop at all?`
`05:15.35`	`dcarmich`	`??`
`05:15.43`	`dcarmich`	`sorta found the source of my time problem.`
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`05:44.59`	`dcarmich`	`any of you use qtopia desktop 1.6.1?`
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`09:28.23`	`noidd`	`ping mallum`
`09:28.42`	`noidd`	`you there mallum?`
`09:28.44`	`mallum`	`hey noidd`
`09:28.53`	`noidd`	`excellent :-)`
`09:28.53`	`mallum`	`noidd: sorry I just missed last night :/`
`09:28.55`	`noidd`	`hows things?`
`09:28.58`	`noidd`	`no problem`
`09:28.59`	`mallum`	`good good`
`09:29.03`	`noidd`	`ah, fellow Brit`
`09:29.10`	`noidd`	`but with a sensible bed time`
`09:29.18`	`mallum`	`noidd: kergoth said you were having probs with X build ?`
`09:29.22`	`mallum`	`hehe`
`09:29.37`	`noidd`	`Yes, I get this:`
`09:29.42`	`noidd`	`imakemdep.h:779: linux/version.h: No such file or directory`
`09:30.18`	`noidd`	`but the file does exist in output/staging/include`
`09:30.32`	`mallum`	`noidd: ah yes, kergoths x compiler is missing version.h - just copy that in to your xcompiler include dir`
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`09:31.15`	`mallum`	`noidd: it should pick it up from output/staging, but the x build is really strange, and during the bootstrap of the compile it dont seem to want to check an include paths passed to it`
`09:31.16`	`noidd`	`oih, its not meant to include taht directory into the compile stuff?`
`09:31.25`	`noidd`	`aah, understood`
`09:31.50`	`mallum`	`noidd: before you set it going again, you may want to add a little patch to ther Makefile`
`09:32.02`	`mallum`	`noidd: I can mail you my current xfree makefile if you want`
`09:32.02`	`noidd`	`ok, shoot`
`09:32.08`	`noidd`	`that would be great`
`09:32.13`	`noidd`	`red@criticalintegration.com`
`09:32.23`	`noidd`	`do you have buildroot access?`
`09:32.27`	`mallum`	`okey, one sec`
`09:34.59`	`mallum`	`Im not sure if I have buildroot access, kergoth was setting it up but Im not sure if he did or not :\`
`09:35.10`	`mallum`	`noidd: me and bk dont get on very well :(`
`09:36.06`	`noidd`	`Do you want me to send this version up?`
`09:36.28`	`noidd`	`and perhaps I should add a symbolic link from the compiler directory to the header file in output`
`09:36.29`	`mallum`	`noidd: I sent kergoth a changeset for it last night, it may already be there actually`
`09:36.36`	`noidd`	`then it will fail if they dont have the headers there for later`
`09:36.55`	`mallum`	`noidd: cool`
`09:37.06`	`mallum`	`noidd: what zaurus you have ?`
`09:40.28`	`noidd`	`5500`
`09:40.51`	`mallum`	`cool, I havn't tried X on that yet ;-)`
`09:41.10`	`noidd`	`You want to see?`
`09:41.58`	`mallum`	`noidd: I have a 5500 but it has a broken keyboard and since that should be the only thing that needs fixing in current packages I havn't tested as yet`
`09:42.11`	`noidd`	`ah, gotcha`
`09:42.40`	`mallum`	`noidd: see skeleton/etc/X11/kb/ and have a look at corgi.xmodmap - the collie.xmodmap needs populating`
`09:44.40`	`noidd`	`ah yes`
`09:44.47`	`noidd`	`how would you suggest doing that?`
`09:45.07`	`noidd`	`running xmodmap ;-)`
`09:46.12`	`mallum`	`noidd: you can figure out the keycodes using xev`
`09:46.29`	`noidd`	`ok, I can work my way through that`
`09:46.38`	`noidd`	`oh, do you have a c700 then?`
`09:46.46`	`mallum`	`yeah`
`09:46.53`	`noidd`	`damn, now i'm jelous :-)`
`09:46.58`	`noidd`	`how you finding it?`
`09:47.15`	`mallum`	`noidd: yeah pretty good. X is real so in lanscape though which is a pain`
`09:47.18`	`scanline`	`I haven't seen the c700s in person yet... though I imagine such a high res screen has to be awesome :)`
`09:47.27`	`mallum`	`noidd: fine in portrait`
`09:47.42`	`scanline`	`mallum: does X still do rotation the slow way? :)`
`09:47.49`	`mallum`	`hey scanline, yeah the screen is pretty amzeing`
`09:47.56`	`scanline`	`hi mallum :)`
`09:48.36`	`mallum`	`scanline: yeah, keithp said its meant to do it the fast way but he didn't have time to do it ;-(`
`09:48.47`	`scanline`	`er, nods`
`09:49.13`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`09:49.39`	`mallum`	`scanline: its a pain :\, but lanscape is usable`
`09:49.53`	`scanline`	`if only the X server had separated the drivers, primitives, and prococol, it would be easy to slip some code in between the protocol and the primitives to apply transformations`
`09:49.57`	`mallum`	`scanline: I've got about every trick going to make the server as fast as possible`
`09:50.12`	`noidd`	`you can use virtual screens tho right?`
`09:50.48`	`scanline`	`haha.. that might use even more memory than Qt/E :)`
`09:50.49`	`mallum`	`noidd: yeah anything that works on bigx will work on this`
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`09:51.21`	`mallum`	`noidd: infact more, big X cant do rotations :-)`
`09:51.26`	`scanline`	`yay for VMware.. installing QNX and FreeBSD, without leaving linux`
`09:52.20`	`mallum`	`scanline: hehe, is this the new version of vmware ?`
`09:52.29`	`scanline`	`yeah, vmware 4.. it's really neat`
`09:52.42`	`scanline`	`I bought a license for vmware 2 back when it was new... it's come a long way`
`09:52.52`	`scanline`	`even does DirectX`
`09:53.15`	`mallum`	`scanline: yeah Im thinking of buying it`
`09:53.41`	`scanline`	`I'm only using a 30 day trial license though.. my vmware 2 key is no good for this, and I can't afford to buy it`
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`10:27.06`	`slowhog`	`Has openembedded decide which build system yet? I cannot find information at www.openembedded.org.`
`10:34.59`	`slowhog`	`Seems like the new oe build system is variant of portage, am I right?`
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`10:42.49`	`mallum`	`hmm, anyone getting an error from buildroots ipkg-make-index ?`
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`10:43.08`	`Speedy2`	`re`
`10:43.09`	`mallum`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:43.09`	`mallum`	`TypeError: unsupported operand types for +: 'NoneType' and 'str'`
`10:45.23`	`Twiun`	`hey Speedy2`
`10:45.38`	`Speedy2`	`Hello Twiun`
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`11:11.52`	`Speedy2`	`Hey Phil`
`11:12.33`	`pb_`	`hi Speedy2`
`11:13.42`	`Speedy2`	`Jamey never responded`
`11:15.46`	`Twiun`	`grrr... wtf won't this damn lib call _init on dlopen???`
`11:17.30`	`tronical`	`Twiun: did you override _init yourself?`
`11:17.58`	`Twiun`	`tronical: I did`
`11:18.03`	`Twiun`	`tronical: void _init() {}`
`11:18.05`	`tronical`	`Twiun: is it a C or a C++ library?`
`11:18.18`	`Twiun`	`it's a mongrel library`
`11:18.24`	`Twiun`	`there's qt and C in there`
`11:18.42`	`tronical`	`so it is linked using g++?`
`11:19.04`	`Twiun`	`I assume it does - I'm calling arm-linux-gcc to link`
`11:19.47`	`Twiun`	`or am I making a false assumption?`
`11:20.34`	`tronical`	`ok. well, if your library contains C++ code you must not override _init, because it will prevent your global ctors from being called, apart from that iirc it requires an extra flag passed at linke time to allow overriding _init/_fini (and of course _init needs to be extern "C")`
`11:21.21`	`Twiun`	`I think the flag is -nostartfiles... but I haven't tried extern "C" on it yet`
`11:21.50`	`pb_`	`Twiun: your best bet is probably to provide your own init function and mark it __attribute__ (( constructor ))`
`11:22.25`	`Twiun`	`got it working with _init - but I agree that __attr... is a better way`
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`11:25.10`	`Twiun`	`hrmph - doesn't do much. I'll stick with _init for now`
`11:25.42`	`pb_`	`You can't mix the two. If you use the nostartfiles thing in order to make _init work, that will also prevent constructors from running.`
`11:25.49`	`Twiun`	`ah`
`11:27.32`	`Twiun`	`even then, still doesn't work for me (using the constructor and removing -nostartfiles)`
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`11:49.59`	`mickeyl`	`treke: ping`
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`12:41.28`	`Speedy2`	`kergoth: ping`
`12:43.02`	`pb_`	`Twiun: ah.`
`12:43.34`	`Twiun`	`pb_: but _init seems to do for my purposes for now... currently struggling with qt :)`
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`12:46.12`	`sigmounte`	`hi ! i got a problem with usbnet , can i have some help ?`
`12:47.20`	`Speedy2`	`Ask away, but there aren't many people in here at the moment.`
`13:21.34`	`sigmounte`	`ok , on the host side , the syslog show me this : (sorry for the paste )`
`13:21.37`	`sigmounte`	`hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-2, assigned address 15`
`13:21.37`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: Found Header descriptor, CDC version 110.`
`13:21.37`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: Imperfect filtering support - need sw hashing`
`13:21.37`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: Can't use SetEthernetMulticastFilters request`
`13:21.37`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: detected BULK OUT packets of size 64`
`13:21.38`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: Sharp SL Series`
`13:21.40`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:28:29 beringer kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: 40:00:02:00:00:01`
`13:21.47`	`sigmounte`	`look like my computer have found my Z`
`13:21.56`	`ljp`	`dont uses CDCEther`
`13:22.26`	`ljp`	`is this with OZ?`
`13:22.31`	`Speedy2`	`You're using the latest oZ?`
`13:22.52`	`sigmounte`	`yes`
`13:23.33`	`pHluid`	`http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2709830-8-21132780-1.html?tag=ld`
`13:23.50`	`pHluid`	`How could they not even list the Zaurus 5500 in there :P`
`13:24.06`	`sigmounte`	`if i don't insmod CDCEther the interface don't appear`
`13:24.19`	`ljp`	`use usbdnet or usbnet`
`13:24.24`	`pHluid`	`THe wussy ass Sony Clie SJ30 made the list, but the cheaper and far more powerful 5500 doesn't`
`13:24.37`	`ljp`	`OZ wont work with that hack of a driver CDCEther`
`13:25.05`	`pb_`	`pHluid: the 5500 is discontinued now, right?`
`13:25.28`	`pHluid`	`pb: Phasing out, but there's still plenty in stores, as far as I know`
`13:25.38`	`troffasky`	`and they're cheap!`
`13:25.43`	`pHluid`	`People are still buying them from retailers, so why not include them`
`13:25.51`	`pHluid`	`The Clie SJ-30 is like, almost 2 years old`
`13:25.57`	`pHluid`	`Palm OS 4.1 w/ 16mb of RAM`
`13:26.02`	`pHluid`	`and costs more`
`13:26.20`	`Speedy2`	`I haven't seen the Zs in stores in awhile.`
`13:26.21`	`pb_`	`ah, right.`
`13:26.25`	`Speedy2`	`What stores have them?`
`13:26.52`	`pHluid`	`Not sure if any chain stores still have any stock on them, but plenty of online retailers do`
`13:27.01`	`Speedy2`	`What's the cheapest on-line?`
`13:27.09`	`pHluid`	`Probably the HSN one`
`13:27.25`	`pHluid`	`That's where everybody seems to be buying them lately`
`13:27.34`	`Speedy2`	`They're out`
`13:28.02`	`pHluid`	`Ah`
`13:28.44`	`pHluid`	`Pretty pricey listings on pricewatch.com`
`13:28.50`	`pHluid`	`$330+`
`13:28.56`	`Speedy2`	`Right`
`13:28.59`	`Speedy2`	`So it's not that "cheap"`
`13:29.32`	`pHluid`	`It's inline with the other PDA's here`
`13:29.42`	`pHluid`	`They all range from $200 to 350`
`13:30.00`	`Speedy2`	`mithro: Yeah...`
`13:30.05`	`pHluid`	`mithro: They'll just get 5600's, probably.`
`13:30.38`	`pHluid`	`Only real reason to get a 5500 now is software availability, and that will come with time, so.`
`13:30.39`	`Speedy2`	`5600 have the b0rk3d XScale`
`13:30.48`	`pb_`	`mithro: Maybe, but all the indications are that demand for the 5500 was never all that high in the first place.`
`13:31.01`	`pHluid`	`As far as I knew the XScale prob was fixed some time ago`
`13:31.02`	`pb_`	`Speedy2: presumably they will start fitting the pxa255 soon if they haven't already.`
`13:31.15`	`pHluid`	`And even borked a 400mhz XScale is about as fast as a 200mhz ARM`
`13:31.29`	`Speedy2`	`Yeah, but power consumption isn't any better (is worse from what I heard)`
`13:31.36`	`pHluid`	`Hrm`
`13:31.40`	`pb_`	`Really? That's the opposite to what I'd heard.`
`13:31.41`	`pHluid`	`Better according to everybody I've talked to`
`13:31.42`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: If Sharp doesn't kill the 5600 before they get the PXA255s`
`13:32.12`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: Well the original PXA250 was supposed to run at like 1.2V but it needs at least 1.35V or more from what the erata said. It had other problems related to power management.`
`13:32.12`	`mithro`	`the problem with xscale speed was the fact that 90% of the cache had to be disabled...`
`13:32.17`	`Speedy2`	`Right`
`13:32.31`	`pb_`	`mithro: well, it had to be set to writethrough rather than writeback.`
`13:32.46`	`mithro`	`but i've found no problems with my c700 with that hack disabled`
`13:32.54`	`mithro`	`(it definatley runs faster)`
`13:32.59`	`pHluid`	`mithro: you've got a c700?`
`13:33.02`	`pHluid`	`bastard. :P`
`13:33.02`	`mithro`	`yeah`
`13:33.11`	`pHluid`	`How is typing on that thing??`
`13:33.13`	`mithro`	`it cost me a years worth of savings`
`13:33.21`	`mithro`	`pHluid: not to bad, but not wonderful`
`13:33.27`	`mithro`	`the screen is the best thing`
`13:33.32`	`mithro`	`it's so bloody clear`
`13:33.34`	`pHluid`	`I love the flipback design, but the clamshell keyboard thing looks awkward`
`13:33.39`	`pb_`	`Speedy2: right, but SA-1110 was only rated down to 1.47V minimum. So even 1.35V is still an improvement.`
`13:33.49`	`pHluid`	`Too big to hold and type, too small to put down on a desk and type... is that the case?`
`13:33.50`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: But now the core is running at 400Mhz...`
`13:33.55`	`mithro`	`pHluid: it's not awkard at all.. and it beats the thumb pad`
`13:34.11`	`pb_`	`Speedy2: on a smaller process though`
`13:34.16`	`mithro`	`the keys work well as a thumbpad`
`13:34.30`	`sigmounte`	`could usbnet be in modules en not in the kernel ?`
`13:34.31`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: Cache is what blows the most power in the StrongARMs...`
`13:34.44`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: Did you ever have a chance to read the SA-110 power profile that DEC did?`
`13:35.04`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: It was pretty interesting.`
`13:35.28`	`mithro`	`pHluid: it's not exactly the nice thing to type on the desk`
`13:35.34`	`mithro`	`but in the hand it works really well`
`13:36.08`	`mithro`	`i can reach all the keys with my thumbs`
`13:36.20`	`pHluid`	`Yeh? It's smaller than I thought then`
`13:36.34`	`mithro`	`yeah it was smaller then i though when i first got it`
`13:37.13`	`pHluid`	`How much you pay for it? ~$700?`
`13:38.12`	`Twiun`	`is it possible to turn a Qt guiclient into a guiserver?`
`13:38.18`	`mithro`	`about $500 US`
`13:38.46`	`mithro`	`maybe a bit more`
`13:39.00`	`mithro`	`i'm in AUS so ...`
`13:39.45`	`mithro`	`i got the one from conics`
`13:39.52`	`mithro`	`and been helping getting OZ onto it...`
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`13:40.33`	`mark`	`Twiun: found it?`
`13:40.43`	`mithro`	`anyway i should be in bed`
`13:40.45`	`pb_`	`Speedy2: no, I never did. I should look into that.`
`13:41.12`	`mithro`	`if people produced laptop screens with the resolution of the c700 it would KILL paper`
`13:41.18`	`sigmounte`	`--> insmod usbnet , plug the Z , have this in the syslog :Apr 16 15:42:20 beringer kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbnet Apr 16 15:46:46 beringer kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-2, assigned address 18`
`13:41.18`	`sigmounte`	`Apr 16 15:46:46 beringer kernel: usb.c: USB device 18 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver. and not usb0 found with ifconfig -a`
`13:41.34`	`cynTop`	`I'm sure they're working towards that goal mithro :)`
`13:41.35`	`sigmounte`	`anyone have a solution ? thanks`
`13:41.39`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: When I get my other machine up, I'll send it. There is also a paper they all did on the design of the SA-110 which is also very interesting.`
`13:41.54`	`cynTop`	`c700 is like best of the best screen at time of inception`
`13:41.54`	`mark`	`kergoth: are there any plans to produce a 3.1 qt/3.2 gcc OZ at this time?`
`13:41.59`	`Speedy2`	`pb_: They talk about the logic style they used, the new "StrongARM flip-flop", etc.`
`13:42.05`	`mithro`	`it's about 250 DPI`
`13:42.20`	`cynTop`	`144...`
`13:42.57`	`mithro`	`it's 640*400 and i measure the screen to be about 1.75 inchs accross`
`13:43.04`	`cynTop`	`heh`
`13:43.06`	`cynTop`	`you measured wrong`
`13:43.08`	`mithro`	`(ie the 400 side..)`
`13:43.09`	`cynTop`	`its just under 4`
`13:43.16`	`cynTop`	`ah thought you meant diagonal`
`13:43.43`	`cynTop`	`ya still measured wrong tho`
`13:43.43`	`cynTop`	`thats clearly over 2 inches`
`13:43.50`	`mithro`	`yeah it's about 4 diagonal`
`13:44.19`	`cynTop`	`i get 2.25 inches 'tall' (480 side)`
`13:44.29`	`cynTop`	`just shy of 3 640 side`
`13:44.37`	`cynTop`	`so yeah its in the 200s yer right`
`13:44.47`	`mithro`	`i work in cm's :)`
`13:44.52`	`mithro`	`ie metric`
`13:45.09`	`pb_`	`Speedy2: sounds cool`
`13:47.39`	`mithro`	`i think about 400dpi will be the paper killer res :)`
`13:47.51`	`mithro`	`now just to get the devices thinner...`
`13:47.57`	`mithro`	`anyway i'm really off now....`
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`14:19.02`	`Speedy2`	`bbl all`
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`14:21.51`	`Moliere`	`Hi guys`
`14:23.04`	`pHluid`	`Friend of mine want's to roll back to the stable feed ipkg in OZ 3.2`
`14:23.12`	`pHluid`	`Can he just do a forced reinstall with the older ver?`
`14:23.21`	`pHluid`	`He's using the testing version no (0.99.79)`
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`14:41.58`	`cynTop`	`kergoth: Your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?`
`14:43.19`	`pb_`	`I suppose his sunny demeanour and constant readiness to listen to all concerns, no matter how trivial-seeming, make him a man of the people.`
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`15:00.58`	`treke`	`pHluid: probably not`
`15:02.37`	`pHluid`	`treke: any way for him to back up, then?`
`15:03.16`	`kergoth`	`pb_: aha`
`15:03.17`	`kergoth`	`morning`
`15:04.22`	`treke`	`pHluid: kergoth supposedly posted instructions on one of the mailing lists`
`15:04.40`	`pHluid`	`ahh, I'll search through them forit`
`15:05.37`	`pb_`	`kergoth: ah hello`
`15:06.41`	`kergoth`	`mark: re: gcc3/qt3, yes its planned, but currently opie doenst make use of any qt3 classes.. yet`
`15:07.39`	`mark`	`kergoth: if any work needs to be done towards it, i'm willing to do it..`
`15:08.09`	`kergoth`	`mark: well, I'll look into adding the bits in the config system to select qt2 vs qt3`
`15:08.22`	`kergoth`	`mark: then you can alter .pro files to include seperate qt3 versions of the sources`
`15:08.25`	`kergoth`	`mark: rather than using ifdefs`
`15:08.27`	`kergoth`	`cleaner.`
`15:08.55`	`mark`	`kergoth: doeasn't that mean a change for the qt2 version wont move across to the qt3 one?`
`15:09.17`	`cynTop`	`hey what is the deal with konsole, i never saw a way to make multiple tabs`
`15:09.19`	`kergoth`	`mark: yes, you'd have to keep them in sync. but its that or ifdef madness.`
`15:09.22`	`cynTop`	`do you just run it again or somethin`
`15:09.35`	`mark`	`kergoth: and given the fact moc ignores ifdefs..`
`15:09.38`	`kergoth`	`mark: holger and i discussed this previously, and we're both opposed to the use of ifdefs to handle the qt3 situation`
`15:09.41`	`kergoth`	`mark: bingo`
`15:09.54`	`mark`	`kergoth: which is a massive pita`
`15:10.04`	`kergoth`	`indeed it is.`
`15:10.13`	`treke`	`~lart trolltech`
`15:10.19`	`mark`	`nice one treke`
`15:10.45`	`treke`	`the signals and slots are really nice in theory, but moc is a rather nasty kludge`
`15:12.13`	`mark`	`does opie development happen inside the OE source tree or in the opie cvs now adays?`
`15:12.49`	`kergoth`	`its all in opie cvs`
`15:13.02`	`kergoth`	`the only opie stuff in buildroot are patches that are highly OZ specific and dont belong upstream`
`15:13.32`	`mark`	`right ok`
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`15:19.26`	`mark`	`kergoth: so i should just start with opie cvs and qt/e 3?`
`15:19.58`	`kergoth`	`yup, thats what i'd recommend`
`15:20.17`	`mark`	`kergoth: okay`
`15:20.30`	`kergoth`	`let me know how it goes`
`15:20.40`	`mark`	`this shouldn't be too much work, qt2->3 ports are usually easy`
`15:21.12`	`kergoth`	`yeah. shouldnt take much to get it building, and can start converting it to the new classes`
`15:21.17`	`kergoth`	`ditch the qt3 backports in libqpe`
`15:21.21`	`kergoth`	`like qlibrary`
`15:23.20`	`mark`	`yeh`
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`15:29.57`	`mark`	`kergoth: probably a silly question, but is a thread safe qt silly on a pda?`
`15:30.35`	`kergoth`	`mark: this has been discussed quite a few times to no real result.. honestly its probably unnecessary.`
`15:33.19`	`mark`	`kergoth: ok`
`15:41.08`	`masticator`	`what the hell is the correct syntax of setting the time thru the date command?`
`15:42.09`	`mark`	`masticator: heh, yeh, i usual have to spend hours figuring it out`
`15:42.51`	`masticator`	`I just found otu my web server is on mountain time and I forgot to set it when the dst thing changed`
`15:43.01`	`masticator`	`I hate the date utility`
`15:43.08`	`masticator`	`isnt there something better in redhat?`
`15:45.09`	`masticator`	`I fucking hate man pages`
`15:45.17`	`masticator`	`they never use examples`
`15:46.11`	`mark`	`masticator: :)`
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`15:50.02`	`kergoth`	`masticator: read the info pages?`
`15:51.02`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`15:51.12`	`kergoth`	`my call stats are the lowest in the department`
`15:51.15`	`kergoth`	`guess i better stop slackin`
`15:51.25`	`mark`	`kergoth: hehe :)`
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`16:04.51`	`treke`	`kergoth: anyone else in unix support?`
`16:04.59`	`treke`	`masticator: try info`
`16:07.10`	`kergoth`	`treke: yeah, 5 others`
`16:07.24`	`mark`	`any suggestiosn for another name for 'DateFormat'?`
`16:08.24`	`masticator`	`treke: fuck that, I just compiled and installed ntpdate`
`16:09.29`	`pHluid`	`er`
`16:09.36`	`pHluid`	`isn't there already an ntp proggie?`
`16:09.43`	`pHluid`	`like in the OZ distro`
`16:10.26`	`treke`	`kergoth: darn. if you were the only one, you could just claim the unix drivers were superior :)`
`16:12.51`	`masticator`	`ph: not on my redhat server there wasnt`
`16:14.09`	`pHluid`	`oh, well, no. :)`
`16:18.34`	`mark`	`kergoth: hmm, i've got to change class names, thats bad`
`16:19.13`	`kergoth`	`mark: ack, what classes?`
`16:19.33`	`mark`	`kergoth: library has DateFormat, but qt 3 has a Qt::DateFormat enum`
`16:20.16`	`kergoth`	`mark: hm, i'd say move us into a qtopia namespace`
`16:20.19`	`kergoth`	`zecke: ;)`
`16:20.39`	`mark`	`hmm, yeh i suppose`
`16:20.39`	`zecke`	`mark: that is what dwmw2 and I did when forward porting Opie to Qt3`
`16:21.01`	`zecke`	`and by an ugly`
`16:21.04`	`kergoth`	`zecke: those patches available? I'm going to add qt2 vs qt3 to the config system in a few`
`16:21.25`	`mark`	`zecke: ah, ok, didn't know it'd already been done :)`
`16:21.40`	`zecke`	`using Qtopia::DateFormat;`
`16:21.45`	`zecke`	`you can keep SRC compat`
`16:22.06`	`zecke`	`mark: kergoth: The problem with Qt3 is which non-existing Plugin/Component System to use?`
`16:22.32`	`zecke`	`mark: kergoth: the old backported QCOM? The hidden QCOM in Qt3.1? KLibrary? How to make old plugins work?`
`16:22.50`	`zecke`	`that are the problems of Qt3`
`16:24.26`	`kergoth`	`good point`
`16:24.35`	`kergoth`	`hm`
`16:24.42`	`mark`	`hmm indeed`
`16:25.05`	`zecke`	`QUnknownInterface stuff is ok`
`16:25.16`	`zecke`	`but we got a QLibrary inside libqpe`
`16:25.28`	`zecke`	`one in Qt3`
`16:25.34`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`16:25.50`	`zecke`	`and we need to try to stay source compat at least for the time where we want to support both`
`16:25.58`	`zecke`	`I want to avoid #ifdefs`
`16:26.23`	`zecke`	`mark: wanna write OPIE API documetation?`
`16:26.31`	`mark`	`zecke: no :)`
`16:26.36`	`kergoth`	`right. seperate qt3 source files where necessary. i'll have the config system setup a qmake config item for qt3`
`16:27.17`	`zecke`	`kergoth: just like TT does qapplication_unix.cpp`
`16:27.29`	`kergoth`	`right`
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`16:28.37`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: hey`
`16:28.42`	`kergoth`	`hey Twiun`
`16:28.48`	`zecke`	`kergoth: add the target I'll make it build`
`16:28.58`	`kergoth`	`will do.`
`16:29.02`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: good news - I got a java fullscreen hack working for Jeode`
`16:29.07`	`mark`	`Twiun: well done`
`16:29.18`	`zecke`	`kergoth: but no prediction on the time I need :(`
`16:29.34`	`Twiun`	`mark: just need to make a nice api for it :)`
`16:29.35`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: nice.`
`16:30.05`	`mark`	`zecke: a backported QCom wont work?`
`16:30.30`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: and a barebones qws server weighs in at 4k on disk and 2.7mb in ram, compared to qpe at 8mb in ram`
`16:30.38`	`prpplague`	`ibot: oe bk`
`16:30.39`		`bugger all, i dunno, prpplague`
`16:30.58`	`prpplague`	`ibot: oz bk`
`16:30.59`		`extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper.`
`16:31.19`	`zecke`	`mark: we will use the hidden QCOM inside Qt3 which may change anytime :(`
`16:32.21`	`treke`	`woah. flood of mailing list posts :)`
`16:34.00`	`mark`	`zecke: yes, they're gonna make it public API when thye think its good enough arent they`
`16:35.14`	`zecke`	`mark: Qt4 I think`
`16:35.24`	`zecke`	`mark: the point is that it is actually ok to use`
`16:36.08`	`prpplague`	`ibot: oe bk is bk clone http://openembedded.bkbits.net/oe oe;cd oe; bk -r co -q`
`16:36.09`		`prpplague: okay`
`16:36.11`	`zecke`	`mark: I would like to know what TT does with Qtopia2/3...`
`16:36.24`	`zecke`	`kergoth: can I put openembedded on my iPAQ?`
`16:36.25`	`Twiun`	`zecke: whipe their backsides with it?`
`16:36.38`	`Twiun`	`s/whipe/wipe/`
`16:36.56`	`zecke`	`Twiun: is that legal in Aussie land?`
`16:36.57`	`kergoth`	`zecke: yep, talk to treke`
`16:37.17`	`zecke`	`treke: HI!`
`16:37.27`	`Twiun`	`zecke: I'm sure it is in Norway... why not down under?`
`16:37.43`	`treke`	`zecke: morning.`
`16:37.49`	`zecke`	`kergoth: Holger Schurig is maintainer of oe?`
`16:37.59`	`treke`	`zecke: theres a feed and image on the oz site. lemme get the url`
`16:38.06`	`kergoth`	`zecke: he's doing the work on the new buildsystem.`
`16:38.30`	`kergoth`	`zecke: I'm the maintainer of both oz and oe at the moment.`
`16:38.43`	`treke`	`all the current working "oz/oe" stuff in in openzaurus buildroot`
`16:38.51`	`zecke`	`kergoth: OZ will vanish in the long run?`
`16:39.09`	`treke`	`zecke: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600/`
`16:39.13`	`zecke`	`I figure I better go study now...`
`16:39.26`	`kergoth`	`zecke: no`
`16:39.40`	`kergoth`	`zecke: OZ is just the name of the zaurus incarnation of the OE distro`
`16:39.42`	`treke`	`kergoth: btw, I stole bits from the oz installation docs for the oe/ipaq ones`
`16:40.34`	`kergoth`	`k`
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`16:57.34`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: why the hell are you putting up with that guy in #oz ?`
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`17:07.14`	`lsmith`	`resume cradle bug is fixed?`
`17:07.22`	`lsmith`	`nice`
`17:07.38`	`kergoth`	`yeah, install usbd-common when it appears in the feeds`
`17:08.17`	`lsmith`	`kergoth: why not out useful hints and warnings about unstable in the news?`
`17:08.25`	`lsmith`	`like the recent ipkg issues`
`17:08.30`	`kergoth`	`every ipkg has issues.`
`17:08.32`	`lsmith`	`then people will stop bugging you in here about them`
`17:08.40`	`lsmith`	`ok bad example :-)`
`17:08.41`	`kergoth`	`if i put ipkg isssues on the news page i'll need to post every day.`
`17:08.54`	`kergoth`	`good morning, ipkg is still broken, but in new ways!`
`17:09.02`	`lsmith`	`well the most recent work around`
`17:10.00`	`kergoth`	`unstable is unstable.`
`17:10.10`	`kergoth`	`i'm not going to encourage its use by posting regarding it`
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`17:10.20`	`lsmith`	`oh ok ..`
`17:10.22`	`kergoth`	`if you use it, and it explodes, deal with it. such is the nature of unstable.`
`17:10.55`	`lsmith`	`ah ok .. then i misunderstood the reason for unstable .. made it more clear me now`
`17:11.02`	`lsmith`	`+to`
`17:11.31`	`kergoth`	`unstable is where new things go. whether they work or not, is always up in the air.`
`17:11.55`	`kergoth`	`generally its solid`
`17:12.06`	`lsmith`	`k .. then maybe using testing more often might be a good idea?`
`17:12.10`	`kergoth`	`but occasionally problems occur, and if they do, and you're bothered by that, you shouldnt be using unstable.`
`17:12.20`	`kergoth`	`testing isnt even a seperate branch right now.`
`17:12.27`	`lsmith`	`like for the xmms stuff`
`17:12.36`	`kergoth`	`testing = unstable righ tnow`
`17:12.39`	`kergoth`	`the packages are identical`
`17:12.40`	`lsmith`	`ah`
`17:12.52`	`kergoth`	`because our buidl infrastructure doesnt facilitate managing the feeds automatically`
`17:13.05`	`kergoth`	`and i refuse to do it manually, as it will become a nightmare to maintain. guaranteed.`
`17:13.12`	`lsmith`	`probably`
`17:13.22`	`kergoth`	`no, guaranteed.`
`17:13.26`	`lsmith`	`or better sureley`
`17:13.27`	`kergoth`	`familiar is your proof.`
`17:13.42`	`kergoth`	`they have a manually maintained feed of binary packages, and its an absolute mess.`
`17:14.20`	`kergoth`	`I'll post a news item when unstable is usable again.`
`17:14.58`	`treke`	`is omething in particular broken in unstable? or just the usual brokenness?`
`17:15.20`	`kergoth`	`treke: busybox`
`17:15.20`	`kergoth`	`treke: and ipkg`
`17:15.23`	`kergoth`	`unstable needs an update with the latest ipkg`
`17:15.38`	`kergoth`	`and busybox is pretty hosed atm, due to my splitting the links into seperate packages.. the upgrade path is broken`
`17:15.43`	`treke`	`would a new build be fixed?`
`17:16.45`	`kergoth`	`of busybox?`
`17:16.51`	`kergoth`	`no, the upgrade path is broken`
`17:16.59`	`kergoth`	`nothing depends on say for example busybox-coreutils`
`17:17.06`	`kergoth`	`so if you upgrade busybox, those links never get installed.`
`17:17.51`	`treke`	`ok. maybe I'll just toss a new ipkg and opie build into the feed to keep people happy :)`
`17:19.32`	`kergoth`	`yeah, thatd be best`
`17:20.12`	`mickeyl`	`bbl`
`17:20.54`	`zecke`	`kergoth: what is the policy of editing the OpenZaurus TODO wiki page?`
`17:21.20`	`kergoth`	`zecke: if you arent a dev, prefix your additions with comments saying you added them`
`17:21.31`	`kergoth`	`zecke: feel free to add items, feature requests, what have you`
`17:21.52`	`zecke`	`kergoth: if I want to add a comment to a issue?`
`17:21.57`	`kergoth`	`go right ahead`
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`17:25.57`	`kergoth`	`hmm, i forgot my busybox package Depends on the busybox links`
`17:26.09`	`kergoth`	`you'll be able to upgrade busybox, but only if you use -force-overwrite`
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`17:34.46`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: what was the last results of your mipsel work?`
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`17:35.02`	`kergoth`	`not much, i tried numerous glibc versions, but they all hated me`
`17:35.09`	`kergoth`	`maybe i'll get uclibc buliding in the oe/oz buildroot`
`17:35.22`	`kergoth`	`been meaning to merge spiffiness from the uclibc buildroot into this one anyway`
`17:41.58`	`kergoth`	`prpplague: started another toolchain build for it, we'll see how it goes`
`17:52.16`	`treke`	`gah. does this Matthew guy know how to do fucking anything?`
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`17:58.23`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: ok`
`17:58.33`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: i've got my vr4181 based unit in`
`17:58.40`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: just started playing with it`
`17:58.53`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: should have some more free time to contribute now`
`18:02.31`	`kergoth`	`wtf`
`18:02.45`	`kergoth`	`my mipsel first pass gcc build isnt obeying TARGET_LIBGCC2_CFLAGS for some reason`
`18:03.36`	`kergoth`	`../../gcc/libgcc2.c:41: stdlib.h: No such file or directory`
`18:03.36`	`kergoth`	`../../gcc/libgcc2.c:42: unistd.h: No such file or directory`
`18:03.39`	`kergoth`	`grr`
`18:03.40`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: ya well, this frellin symbol unit was put together with tamper proof torque screws :(`
`18:03.49`	`kergoth`	`that sucks.`
`18:04.04`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: ya, probably gonna have to go for the dremel :(`
`18:11.06`	`kergoth`	`../sysdeps/mips/setjmp.S: Assembler messages:`
`18:11.06`	`kergoth`	`../sysdeps/mips/setjmp.S:43: Error: Cannot branch to undefined symbol.`
`18:11.11`	`kergoth`	`odd.`
`18:11.31`	`Twiun`	`I've finally taken the time to /ignore George`
`18:11.36`	`Twiun`	`sweet silence`
`18:11.44`	`pb___`	`kergoth: ah, mips.`
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`18:59.57`	`Moliere`	`where can i find informations about tinyx?`
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`19:14.59`	`Dessimat0r`	`lo all`
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`19:29.26`	`kergoth`	`treke: opie-sudo fails to apply`
`19:29.35`	`kergoth`	`treke: looks like due to ntpsystemtime changes`
`19:29.45`	`treke`	`kergoth: yeah I know. I'm going to take that out`
`19:29.49`	`kergoth`	`k`
`19:29.52`	`treke`	`kergoth: systemtime will just RunRoot`
`19:29.57`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`19:30.07`	`kergoth`	`get anywhere with adding that to applnk?`
`19:35.45`	`treke`	`most likely tonight. I've looked at the code, and it looks like it will be dirt simple to do.`
`19:36.22`	`treke`	`I'd have done it this afternoon if I had an x86 opie build at work :)`
`19:37.13`	`treke`	`qt embedded 2.3.5 is out`
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`19:38.08`	`kergoth`	`treke: cool, keep me posted`
`19:38.15`	`kergoth`	`treke: ah, there a changelog avail?`
`19:38.17`	`treke`	`they sure snuck that one out quietly`
`19:39.03`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: networkapplet?`
`19:39.26`	`treke`	`hmmm. network settings probably needs to be runroot also`
`19:41.00`	`kergoth`	`yep, it needs to write to interfaces and call ifup/ifdown`
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`20:11.27`	`Speedy2`	`Yo`
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`20:21.57`	`asys3`	`ibot update oz`
`20:21.57`		`update oz is probably http://psifertex.com/zaurus/ozupdate.html`
`20:25.39`	`ljp_work`	`ibot: update m bankaccount`
`20:25.40`		`ljp_work: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`20:25.57`	`ljp_work`	`heheheh huh?`
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`20:26.04`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: yeah, networkapplet - a tiny applet for doing checking which interfaces are up and doing UP/DOWN as well as quick'n'easy change the IP address.`
`20:26.09`	`ljp_work`	`ibot update my bank account`
`20:26.10`		`ljp_work: bugger all, i dunno`
`20:26.25`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: cool :) will it be pluginable?`
`20:26.33`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: i.e. for wireless stats and the like`
`20:26.56`	`treke`	`will it already know how to do sudo for me? :)`
`20:27.01`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: not yet - but this is planned. eventually, networkapplet and wireless applet will merge`
`20:27.09`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: cool, glad to hear it`
`20:32.22`	`treke`	`I dont know why this guy is bothering me so much`
`20:32.29`	`Alp0nso`	`Hey kergoth: Is there any reason why OpenZ uses only four levels for the front-light? It's an 8-bit PWM register, right?`
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`20:34.25`	`ljp_work`	`yaaaaahhoooo!!!!! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=573&e=4&cid=573&u=/nm/20030416/od_nm/lsd_dc`
`20:36.55`	`ljp_work`	`now there's a reason to party`
`20:39.41`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:40.56`	`Alp0nso`	`<-- Speedy2`
`20:41.20`	`ljp_work`	`hmm`
`20:41.27`	`ljp_work`	`in disquise, eh?`
`20:41.30`	`Alp0nso`	`No`
`20:41.39`	`Alp0nso`	`I was IRCing as me and a phone call came`
`20:41.47`	`Alp0nso`	`And the old me is still on the server`
`20:41.50`	`Alp0nso`	`(go figure)`
`20:42.09`	`ljp_work`	`wow, you split yourself!`
`20:42.19`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: man doesn't that guy on #oz anything better to do?`
`20:43.01`	`SPeedy2`	`kergoth: Any ideas about the PWM for the FL? That be in Locomo`
`20:49.29`	`Twiun`	`Speedy2: why not register your nick? makes it easy to reclaim it after such a split`
`20:49.51`	`Speedy2`	`Twiun: Was unaware of that.`
`20:50.02`	`ljp_work`	`my nick is registered, but I forgot the password`
`20:50.10`	`Twiun`	`Speedy2: /nickserv help`
`20:50.38`	`Twiun`	`ljp_work: lol, best get in touch with the powers that be to reset it`
`20:50.48`	`Twiun`	`ljp_work: or wait for a nick purge`
`20:51.22`	`ljp_work`	`I keep using that nick :)`
`20:52.11`	`Twiun`	`I think the purges only purge registered nicks that haven't identified for a while`
`20:52.34`	`ljp_work`	`yup`
`20:52.51`	`ljp_work`	`I could keep guessing`
`20:55.00`	`ljp_work`	`man, that guys 97. imagine your grandpa tripping..`
`20:56.52`	`ljp_work`	`someone is selling Paul McCartney's flu germs`
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`20:59.17`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`21:00.18`	`Twiun`	`hey noda`
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`21:06.29`	`Benabik`	`Okay, is anybody up to helping someone with a stupid newbie problem?`
`21:07.22`	`Neo\|Work`	`Benabik: kergoth is always helpful`
`21:07.34`	`noda`	`rofl`
`21:07.45`	`noda`	`Benabik: Just ask the frickin' question, we'll determine if we want to help you or not.`
`21:08.27`	`Benabik`	`I appear to have f'ed up my SD card. I can't format it with mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 and fdisk /dev/mmcda just gives Bus Errors galore. Is there any way to fix it?`
`21:08.43`	`treke`	`fdisk is broken`
`21:08.54`	`Benabik`	`Well that's non-useful then.`
`21:09.30`	`Benabik`	`So I need to partition it with some other SD-using device?`
`21:09.36`	`treke`	`yup`
`21:09.57`	`Benabik`	`Which means I need to buy an SD reader somewhere. Great.`
`21:10.09`	`noda`	`Or just use another version of fdisk?`
`21:10.30`	`treke`	`I think the problem has been located`
`21:10.43`	`treke`	`might want to try the util-linux-fdisk package from unstable.`
`21:10.56`	`Benabik`	`Oooooh... unstable packages.`
`21:11.15`	`noda`	`Benabik: They're more stable than the 'stable' ones ;)`
`21:11.25`	`noda`	`The only difference is we don't know WHERE exactly they break :)`
`21:11.29`	`Benabik`	`noda: LOL.`
`21:11.33`	`noda`	`Only that they break slightly less :)`
`21:17.58`	`Benabik`	`treke: Nope. Same thing.`
`21:19.39`	`noda`	`Benabik: Well, if you don't mind flashing, I'd suggest trying to use an older version of OpenZaurus and see if the same thing happens. Or even use the Sharp ROM`
`21:20.13`	`treke`	`noda: kergoth knows about the problem`
`21:20.22`	`noda`	`Ah`
`21:20.24`	`treke`	`noda: And I think he found the solution. Its oz 3.2`
`21:20.38`	`noda`	`treke: The fdisk problem? I was thinking the whole SD thing in general :)`
`21:20.54`	`treke`	`sd sucks :)`
`21:21.35`	`Benabik`	`noda: I was trying to avoid that...`
`21:21.58`	`noda`	`Benabik: Well then, don't do it because I say so :)`
`21:22.02`	`noda`	`I really have no clue :)`
`21:22.19`	`Benabik`	`I guess I get to hunt around campus and bug friends for an SD reader.`
`21:23.10`	`treke`	`read the buglist`
`21:23.14`	`treke`	`see if the solution is there`
`21:23.24`	`_Psycho_`	`hey kergoth around ?`
`21:23.44`	`Benabik`	`treke: Where to I find the buglist?`
`21:23.51`	`noda`	`openzaurus.org`
`21:23.55`	`treke`	`on the website`
`21:25.32`	`Benabik`	`Oh. Under "bugs"`
`21:30.42`	`_Psycho_`	`hmmm is glibc-2.2.4 is good with 2.95.3 ? to build my image, i saw kergoth talk a lots about other version this weekend, glibc doesnt buid, well just cant find a .tar.gz, i check on the ftp...`
`21:30.52`	`_Psycho_`	`brb`
`21:39.21`	`_Psycho_`	`weird because the makefile look ok`
`21:40.36`	`_Psycho_`	`got it, mrproper doesnt clear the file .glibc.addons`
`21:42.24`	`kergoth`	`ah, should fix that`
`21:43.00`	`_Psycho_`	`tep`
`21:43.01`	`_Psycho_`	`yep`
`21:43.11`	`_Psycho_`	`i just dont know how to push it =p`
`21:43.21`	`_Psycho_`	`but at least i found the problem hehe`
`21:43.42`	`_Psycho_`	`kergoth while you around, hmm opie-sudo.files was missing on hmm forget where`
`21:43.47`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`21:43.51`	`_Psycho_`	`but didnt had time to check last night`
`21:43.52`	`kergoth`	`opie-sudo.patch isnt applying atm`
`21:44.02`	`kergoth`	`feel free to remove it from Sources in packages/opie/Makefile for noe`
`21:44.03`	`kergoth`	`now`
`21:44.03`	`_Psycho_`	`i just commented it in the Makefile`
`21:44.06`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`21:44.14`	`_Psycho_`	`already done that`
`21:44.22`	`_Psycho_`	`;)`
`21:44.42`	`_Psycho_`	`if i want to push something i just bk ci something then bk push or bk mail to you ?`
`21:45.00`	`_Psycho_`	`i know you explained last week but ~!`
`21:45.00`	`kergoth`	`easiest to use bk citool`
`21:45.07`	`kergoth`	`X app to check files in and make changesets`
`21:45.22`	`_Psycho_`	`cool`
`21:45.25`	`_Psycho_`	`then just bk push ?`
`21:45.48`	`_Psycho_`	`with a comment like bk push "Remove the .glibc.addons file from the stamps"`
`21:45.49`	`_Psycho_`	`?`
`21:45.51`	`kergoth`	`nope, you dont have write access`
`21:45.55`	`kergoth`	`the comments go in the changeset`
`21:45.58`	`_Psycho_`	`or bk mail ?`
`21:45.58`	`kergoth`	`in bk commit/citool`
`21:46.00`	`_Psycho_`	`ok`
`21:46.00`	`kergoth`	`not in push`
`21:46.09`	`kergoth`	`to mail it to me, bk send kergoth@handhelds.org`
`21:46.16`	`_Psycho_`	`cool`
`21:46.29`	`_Psycho_`	`i try that in a bit, i go buy some pepsi while that thing build`
`21:46.40`	`kergoth`	`k`
`21:52.16`	`asys3`	`can anyone help me ? I try to install with aqpk a prog to sd: 'cannot find package...check the spelling...' - besides: installing to root works ?!`
`21:52.27`	`kergoth`	`probably an ipkg bug`
`21:53.03`	`noda`	`Wow, there must be twice as many bugs as there are lines of code in that program...`
`21:53.16`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`21:53.24`	`kergoth`	`noda: fyi those steps on the devel list are accurate`
`21:53.38`	`noda`	`kergoth: Um, I didn't read them, I don't know where to put them :)`
`21:53.40`	`asys3`	`i use ipkg 1:0.99.79-2 from unstable :-(`
`21:53.55`	`noda`	`kergoth: If it's not too much hassle, could you please edit the faq? You won't make mistakes, while I may :)`
`21:54.07`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i will`
`21:54.12`	`noda`	`Thanks :)`
`21:54.14`	`kergoth`	`there are a ton of faqs that need updating`
`21:54.20`	`noda`	`Or deleting :)`
`21:54.21`	`kergoth`	`noda: if we ever get a decent BTS`
`21:54.26`	`kergoth`	`noda: itd be cool if we could integrate`
`21:54.32`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yeah, it would`
`21:54.35`	`kergoth`	`noda: bind a bug to an faq, so it goes away when the bug closes`
`21:54.37`	`kergoth`	`for workarounds`
`21:54.45`	`noda`	`That would be awesome`
`21:54.57`	`kergoth`	`would really lessen the maintainance time`
`21:55.01`	`noda`	`And the faq would just give a link to the bug for an faq.`
`21:55.04`	`kergoth`	`heh, we need to find a BTS that doesnt suck first`
`21:55.05`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`21:55.18`	`noda`	`Well, hell, all we'd really need to do is a UNION -- two selects, one from our FAQ an done from the bug tracking one`
`21:55.27`	`noda`	`s/an done/and one/`
`21:55.50`	`noda`	`Very easy to integrate :)`
`21:56.07`	`noda`	`Then we'd put all those in the "bugs" category :)`
`21:56.22`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`21:56.26`	`kergoth`	`fyi i added device categories`
`21:56.31`	`noda`	`Nice`
`21:56.38`	`kergoth`	`we need to select them on the existing faqs`
`21:56.43`	`kergoth`	`which will take a while :)`
`21:56.52`	`noda`	`Hrm, yeah, there's no quick way to do that :(`
`21:57.06`	`noda`	`Can you think of what a quick interface would be? I could put it in the TODO :)`
`21:57.22`	`kergoth`	`you could write a quick script to take teh existing faqs and enable sl5500 on them all`
`21:57.26`	`kergoth`	`since we know they apply to that`
`21:57.31`	`kergoth`	`just to ease the transition`
`21:57.35`	`kergoth`	`cant think of anything offhand`
`21:57.40`	`noda`	`Oh shit, that's what you mean :)`
`21:57.45`	`kergoth`	`yup`
`21:57.51`	`kergoth`	`we have what, 150-200 faqs? :)`
`21:57.58`	`noda`	`Fewer I think, I'll check`
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`21:58.41`	`noda`	`100 on the nose`
`21:58.47`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`21:58.53`	`cynTop`	`sahweeeeet`
`21:59.03`	`noda`	`Network Setup saves DNS now, right?`
`21:59.03`	`kergoth`	`regardless thats quite a few to associate with the current supported devices :)`
`21:59.07`	`kergoth`	`noda: yep`
`21:59.16`	`noda`	`Deleted`
`21:59.22`	`kergoth`	`fyi i fixed up a ton of networksettings things`
`21:59.29`	`noda`	`Nice :)`
`21:59.33`	`kergoth`	`it now ifdown, then ifup a device on changing network config`
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`21:59.41`	`kergoth`	`uses interfaces for wireless instead of wireless.opts`
`21:59.42`	`kergoth`	`etc`
`21:59.48`	`noda`	`I noticed, network config is great now -- so much faster than before!`
`21:59.58`	`asys3`	`urg: i now reinstalled ipkg from oz stable - that should work - uh ? but it doesn't - what can it be ?`
`22:00.01`	`cynTop`	`/etc/network/interfaces can hold wep keys and shit?`
`22:00.04`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: yeah`
`22:00.05`	`noda`	`I shouldn't mess around with faqs too much -- since I haven't really kept up to date`
`22:00.06`	`cynTop`	`or do you cheat and use a comment line`
`22:00.15`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: theres a if-pre-up.d script with wireless-tools to make it work`
`22:00.18`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: its not in comments`
`22:00.19`	`kergoth`	`its like`
`22:00.22`	`kergoth`	`iface eth0 static`
`22:00.24`	`kergoth`	`address balh`
`22:00.27`	`kergoth`	`wireless_essid any`
`22:00.30`	`kergoth`	`wireless_mode managed`
`22:00.32`	`noda`	`No way! That's awesome`
`22:00.32`	`kergoth`	`..`
`22:00.34`	`kergoth`	`yup`
`22:00.38`	`kergoth`	`clean, simple`
`22:00.52`	`kergoth`	`and easy to integrate wireless with profiles now`
`22:00.55`	`kergoth`	`using interfaces mappings`
`22:00.56`	`cynTop`	`ah`
`22:01.07`	`cynTop`	`so it ups the interface and sets the key before moving on`
`22:01.14`	`cynTop`	`well, for static that wouldnt matter`
`22:01.17`	`cynTop`	`but dhcp it would`
`22:01.32`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`22:01.36`	`kergoth`	`note`
`22:01.38`	`kergoth`	`if-pre-up.d`
`22:01.40`	`kergoth`	`not if-post-up.d`
`22:01.44`	`kergoth`	`it happens before bringing it up`
`22:02.22`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: also, theres this cool thing called ifupdown-roaming`
`22:02.33`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: it checks for a nearby access point to determine what profile/mapping to use`
`22:02.43`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: so your netowrk config can automatically change when switching networks`
`22:02.46`	`noda`	`Wow!`
`22:02.46`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:02.55`	`noda`	`Is that enabled by default?`
`22:02.57`	`kergoth`	`nope`
`22:02.58`	`kergoth`	`not yet`
`22:03.00`	`kergoth`	`i want to test it more`
`22:03.03`	`noda`	`That'll be damned cool`
`22:03.08`	`kergoth`	`need a gui as well`
`22:03.17`	`kergoth`	`for adjusting automatic profile changes`
`22:03.20`	`noda`	`That means when I get home I'll be able to connect via WEP, and then when I walk around town I can hop onto all those non-WEP things... without hassle :)`
`22:03.30`	`kergoth`	`yup`
`22:03.35`	`noda`	`Rockin' :)`
`22:03.43`	`kergoth`	`worst case you may have to down the interface and bring it back up`
`22:03.43`	`noda`	`Out of curiosity, does WinCE have any equivalent to that?`
`22:03.47`	`kergoth`	`dunno`
`22:04.05`	`kergoth`	`i do know, that i love /etc/network/interfaces`
`22:04.06`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:04.11`	`kergoth`	`~love /etc/network/interfaces`
`22:04.12`		`If you love /etc/network/interfaces so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`22:04.12`	`noda`	`:)`
`22:04.18`	`noda`	`lol`
`22:04.32`	`noda`	`Hrm, I'm having another one of those "I should install Debian" feelings ;)`
`22:04.49`	`kergoth`	`i'm having one of those, i need to pull cool oz'isms into my deiban box`
`22:04.50`	`noda`	`Along with an "I should install Windows" feeling for U2. But I will be strong!`
`22:05.04`	`noda`	`kergoth: You don't run Debian?`
`22:05.09`	`kergoth`	`noda: yes i do`
`22:05.12`	`noda`	`Oh :)`
`22:05.16`	`kergoth`	`noda: i'm saying there are things in OZ that arent in debian`
`22:05.19`	`kergoth`	`noda: but i want them`
`22:05.21`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:05.22`	`noda`	`Oh, lol, awesome :)`
`22:05.31`	`kergoth`	`damnit i want oz on my desktop!`
`22:05.33`	`kergoth`	`but with dpkg`
`22:05.34`	`kergoth`	`:D`
`22:05.36`	`noda`	`rofl`
`22:05.37`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:05.38`	`noda`	`Yeah, fuck ipkg :)`
`22:05.42`	`noda`	`How much smaller is it?`
`22:05.46`	`kergoth`	`a lot`
`22:05.49`	`cynTop`	`now that's goddamned handy`
`22:05.53`	`kergoth`	`plus ipkg handles apt-get functionality`
`22:05.55`	`noda`	`Damn :P`
`22:06.02`	`kergoth`	`and apt-get is massive, cant handle installs in a resource constrained environment`
`22:06.06`	`cynTop`	`kergoth: that needs a plugin for kismet :P`
`22:06.07`	`noda`	`Oh crap, it's 2 big programs in one little one...`
`22:06.12`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: hehe`
`22:06.25`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: and wellenreiter`
`22:06.27`	`noda`	`apt-get is SO cool though :)`
`22:06.31`	`kergoth`	`cynTop: tap on the network, and boom, you' on it!`
`22:06.35`	`kergoth`	`s/you'/you're/`
`22:06.35`	`_Psycho_`	`ker another question, if you made a change in opie, do you commit it to opie cvs or just do a .patch ? like if you changed the on-fly rotation, will i see a opie-something on my pull, or its in the cvs and i have to rebuild opie to see it =p ?`
`22:06.44`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: its in cvs`
`22:06.47`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: you'd need to mrproper your opie`
`22:06.53`	`_Psycho_`	`ok thanks`
`22:06.55`	`_Psycho_`	`was not sure`
`22:06.56`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: only OZ specific things that dont belong upstream go in buildroot`
`22:07.05`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: and things we're testing that arent ready for public use`
`22:07.23`	`_Psycho_`	`so like its not possible to know if you made change in the opie cvs, except if i keep it on my pc ;)`
`22:07.36`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: subscribe to the opie cvs mailing list`
`22:07.40`	`_Psycho_`	`ok`
`22:07.41`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: then you see cvs commits`
`22:07.44`	`kergoth`	`so you know whats up`
`22:07.51`	`noda`	`I gotta get my own buildroot running :)`
`22:07.51`	`_Psycho_`	`yeah i do that later`
`22:07.57`	`_Psycho_`	`im already in the mailing list`
`22:08.03`	`kergoth`	`not opie, opie-cvs`
`22:08.05`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`22:08.08`	`_Psycho_`	`i know`
`22:09.12`	`noda`	`kergoth: http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 ... is that up-to-date?`
`22:10.30`	`kergoth`	`noda: an item for your todo.. the ability for a user to submit an update to an existing faq, which would need approval`
`22:10.33`	`kergoth`	`noda: :)`
`22:10.40`	`noda`	`kergoth: That's been on there for AGES :)`
`22:10.46`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:11.06`	`kergoth`	`and no, that faq isnt up to date`
`22:11.06`	`noda`	`kergoth: I may have time to work on stuff this weekend -- my weekend starts today and ends next Tuesday (inclusive) but I have tons of homework to do`
`22:11.35`	`_Psycho_`	`ok i like added $(TOPDIR)/stamps/.addons into the make file, i check the changeset thingie`
`22:15.23`	`noda`	`Only in America can a company file for bankruptcy and 2 months later get a full-page ad on a million-hit-a-day site :)`
`22:15.43`	`kergoth`	`speaking of hits, the oz sf project's rank is pretty decent nowadays`
`22:15.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`22:15.57`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yeah, lemme check hits :)`
`22:16.54`	`_Psycho_`	`hmm confuse, when i clicked commit, he wanted to send file top openlogging, i just quit then bk send ?`
`22:17.04`	`treke`	`noda: from full page adds on million hit per day sites :)`
`22:17.07`	`noda`	`353550 hits in the past month`
`22:17.16`	`noda`	`treke: of course :P`
`22:18.28`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: agree to send the log to openlogging, its part of the bk license`
`22:18.37`	`_Psycho_`	`oh ok`
`22:18.41`	`noda`	`8.18 hits/minute to openzaurus.org :)`
`22:19.00`	`kergoth`	`noda: nice. things have been pretty decent since the 3.2 release`
`22:19.04`	`noda`	`31579 different IPs`
`22:19.08`	`noda`	`kergoth: Yeah, I'll say!`
`22:19.21`	`noda`	`What's our rank?`
`22:19.40`	`_Psycho_`	`test`
`22:19.48`	`kergoth`	`http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=43045`
`22:19.52`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: test failed`
`22:20.02`	`_Psycho_`	`well still waiting here ;)`
`22:20.09`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
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`22:20.23`	`_Psycho_`	`after a send`
`22:20.25`	`noda`	`Heh, if only we used CVS or something :)`
`22:20.26`	`kergoth`	`hey speedy`
`22:20.29`	`Speedy2`	`Hi kergoth.`
`22:20.30`	`_Psycho_`	`the changeset disapear ?`
`22:20.32`	`kergoth`	`noda: yeah, thatd improve it too`
`22:20.43`	`noda`	`Hrm, 340- -- that's not all that bad`
`22:20.45`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: run bk changes or bk revtool`
`22:20.50`	`_Psycho_`	`ok !`
`22:20.52`	`Speedy2`	`kergoth: Any idea about the FrontLight PWM? (Is it really 2-bit or more?)`
`22:20.52`	`noda`	`That means 339 projects are more active than we are?`
`22:21.06`	`kergoth`	`noda: afaik yeah`
`22:21.06`	`_Psycho_`	`hmm makepatch: lots of stuff :)`
`22:21.23`	`kergoth`	`Speedy2: the driver sucked`
`22:21.34`	`kergoth`	`Speedy2: iirc the pwm supports 0-255, 8 bits, but the driver didnt`
`22:21.38`	`_Psycho_`	`patch contains 155000 revisions from 2169 files, intereresting`
`22:21.43`	`_Psycho_`	`15500`
`22:21.53`	`kergoth`	`Speedy2: the bl driver in our 2.4.19 tree just passes the value along`
`22:21.58`	`kergoth`	`Speedy2: so should give us more granularity`
`22:22.35`	`Speedy2`	`10-4`
`22:22.45`	`kergoth`	`I'll be doing some more kernel dev shortly`
`22:22.48`	`kergoth`	`finishing touches on 2.4.19`
`22:22.52`	`kergoth`	`then i'll need testers`
`22:22.56`	`Speedy2`	`What rev is on 3.2?`
`22:23.00`	`Speedy2`	`2.4.12?`
`22:23.02`	`kergoth`	`2.4.6.`
`22:23.04`	`kergoth`	`same as sharp.`
`22:23.11`	`Speedy2`	`Ah. Old and slow :)`
`22:23.17`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`22:23.21`	`noda`	`Yeah, well, write a new SD driver and it'll change :)`
`22:23.24`	`kergoth`	`noda: eh`
`22:23.26`	`Speedy2`	`Hopefully with the clock scaling stuff, that will reduce power consumption`
`22:23.31`	`kergoth`	`noda: sharp sent me a 2.4.18 binary module for collie`
`22:23.36`	`Speedy2`	`noda: It's not tough, but making it OpenSource suxxx`
`22:23.37`	`kergoth`	`noda: theres nothing holding us back`
`22:23.41`	`noda`	`kergoth: Really? WOOOOOO!`
`22:24.03`	`Speedy2`	`suxxx == fighting the SD people to make it OS`
`22:24.08`	`noda`	`kergoth: Would it work with 2.4.20 too? Which is the newer version that we wanted to use?`
`22:24.13`	`kergoth`	`2.4.19`
`22:24.17`	`kergoth`	`and yes itll work fine`
`22:24.18`	`noda`	`kergoth: There's nothing holding us back... when will we be seeing that then? :)`
`22:24.27`	`_Psycho_`	`I guess that worked`
`22:24.27`	`noidd`	`me-- # have a patch to apply to xfree`
`22:24.27`	`noidd`	`not done it yet`
`22:24.29`	`kergoth`	`whenever i have time to do the finishing touches on our 2.4.19 tree`
`22:24.34`	`noda`	`Sweet!`
`22:24.37`	`kergoth`	`noidd: bk pull`
`22:24.40`	`noda`	`kergoth: 2.4.19 is faster and better, right?`
`22:24.42`	`kergoth`	`noidd: mallum as push access now`
`22:24.44`	`noidd`	`pulling`
`22:24.49`	`kergoth`	`has`
`22:24.53`	`noidd`	`ah, he's probably applied that then`
`22:25.00`	`kergoth`	`dunno`
`22:25.05`	`kergoth`	`check though`
`22:25.16`	`noidd`	`packages/xfree86/Makefile: 5 deltas ## looks promising`
`22:25.47`	`kergoth`	`hey mickeyl, is there a wrapper around the use of the global message display on the taskbar?`
`22:26.03`	`kergoth`	`i.e. if multiple apps send a message, it should cycle between them till a timeout`
`22:26.30`	`kergoth`	`figured you might know being you've done libopie2`
`22:28.43`	`Speedy2`	`You know Sharp's doing a pretty dangerous thing with the battery charging circuitry in the Z`
`22:28.53`	`noda`	`What's that?`
`22:29.06`	`Speedy2`	`The battery gets slightly overcharged / or never gets fully charged`
`22:29.09`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: you mean beyond Global::setMessage ?`
`22:29.17`	`cynTop`	`why Speedy2`
`22:29.23`	`Speedy2`	`The Z's cell has voltage rating of 3.7, but they're using a part meant to charge a 4.2V Li-On cell`
`22:29.30`	`Speedy2`	`Li cells use a CC/CV charging scheme`
`22:29.36`	`Speedy2`	`With the Z's setup, it never gets to the CV part.`
`22:29.46`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: and ... by the way, libopie2 is far from being complete... it will take some time if is a replacement for libqpe and libopie1 :-D`
`22:29.52`	`Speedy2`	`That is, with the way sharp designed the charging circuitry.`
`22:30.20`	`Speedy2`	`I've used the part they're using for charging Li-On cells`
`22:30.51`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: yes i mean beyond setMessage`
`22:30.55`	`Speedy2`	`They ain't doin' it right.`
`22:31.07`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: if not, i'll write one`
`22:31.17`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: ah ok. no there isn't something like that - but it would be pretty easy to add such a thing.`
`22:31.22`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: yep`
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`22:31.36`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: was doing the 'please wait' thing in networksettings while restarting and interface and figured it may be a good idea`
`22:32.10`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: aaah that reminds me of something... didn't have the chance to see your revamped networksettings... doing now`
`22:32.59`	`kergoth`	`not much changed`
`22:33.09`	`kergoth`	`just hte ui for wireless and it no longer parses wireless.opts`
`22:33.26`	`kergoth`	`and the damn thing finally restarts the interface when you change settings for interfaces other than wireless`
`22:33.29`	`kergoth`	`which drove me nuts`
`22:33.34`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`22:34.28`	`noda`	`network settings is great now IMO. I can find absolutely nothing wrong with it, or even slightly confusing.`
`22:34.42`	`kergoth`	`well, its profiles arent implemented well`
`22:35.01`	`kergoth`	`and it could use pluginable support for mapping scripts other than its own`
`22:35.05`	`kergoth`	`(i.e. for ifupdown-roaming)`
`22:35.07`	`_Psycho_`	`ker, if mad updated from 0.14.2v-6 to -8 i just edit that in the makefile too ?`
`22:35.13`	`noda`	`Ah -- well, I don't use that stuff :)`
`22:35.25`	`kergoth`	`noda: but you will, once it works :)`
`22:35.43`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: did ben comment on your changes yet?`
`22:35.45`	`noda`	`:)`
`22:35.50`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: nope`
`22:36.12`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: I think I may add the implementation to his base outlined ppp module one of these days`
`22:36.18`	`kergoth`	`the lack of a ppp module is a huge support issue`
`22:36.22`	`kergoth`	`i get asked about that constantly`
`22:36.27`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: yeah true`
`22:37.21`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: btw., i think sharp sending you a new collie SD module deservs a news entry @ openzaurus.org... please do it, our users will freak out of happyness :)`
`22:37.26`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:37.28`	`kergoth`	`good point`
`22:37.32`	`noda`	`Yeah! :)`
`22:38.06`	`noidd`	`bk ooh`
`22:38.11`	`noidd`	`they did? :-)`
`22:38.47`	`noda`	`Woo! Bitstream Vera fonts are almost ready :)`
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`22:38.54`	`noidd`	`nice shiny new kernel incomming then :0-)`
`22:38.58`	`mickeyl`	`noda: "almost"?`
`22:39.12`	`noda`	`mickeyl: gnomedesktop.org -- apparently, "today or tomorrow"`
`22:39.31`	`mickeyl`	`noda: ah cool!!. been using them on my desktop since the first beta`
`22:39.41`	`pb_`	`apparently the fonts themselves are done, just waiting on the release notes.`
`22:39.51`	`Speedy2`	`Hey Phil.`
`22:39.55`	`pb_`	`hi Speedy2`
`22:39.57`	`noda`	`:)`
`22:40.04`	`kergoth`	`there we go, got the news item up`
`22:40.06`	`noda`	`I'm waiting for release :)`
`22:40.13`	`Speedy2`	`I take it TrueType fonts don't work on Opie...`
`22:40.16`	`_Psycho_`	`ok well i summit patch later ;)`
`22:40.25`	`mickeyl`	`Speedy2: they dol`
`22:40.27`	`kergoth`	`Speedy2: yes they do, with opie-freetpye`
`22:40.27`	`mickeyl`	`do even`
`22:40.37`	`kergoth`	`dont exactly make the most efficient use of resources, but it works`
`22:40.40`	`kergoth`	`s/dont/doesnt/`
`22:40.40`	`Speedy2`	`Sweet.`
`22:40.57`	`mark`	`hwo do I set watchpoints in gdb? watch 'expr' from the manual doesn't help me much`
`22:41.07`	`kergoth`	`works fine for me here mark`
`22:41.13`	`kergoth`	`watch functionname for example`
`22:41.20`	`_Psycho_`	`kergoth, it is easier for you to get all changeset in 1 send or, i can do like 50 send back to back and it doesnt matter, same for you ?`
`22:41.28`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho_: doesnt matter to me`
`22:41.31`	`_Psycho_`	`ok`
`22:41.33`	`pb_`	`mm, wouldn't you normally set a watch on a variable rather than a function?`
`22:41.39`	`noda`	`kergoth: Erm, watch <expression>, no? Wouldn't it be break <function>?`
`22:41.47`	`kergoth`	`you can watch a function execution as well`
`22:41.47`	`noda`	`mark: What's the error message?`
`22:41.49`	`kergoth`	`pb_: normally yeah`
`22:42.02`	`mark`	`noda: well, i just want to watch a private variable of an instance of a class`
`22:42.15`	`kergoth`	`pb_: but once in a while i find it useful, i.e. to see if a certain codepath is being hit at all`
`22:42.24`	`noda`	`Whoosh, way over my head. My only attempts at using gdb end in either failures or shoddy hacks :)`
`22:42.24`	`kergoth`	`pb_: course printfs work too ;)`
`22:42.34`	`mark`	`so, guessing its like break, I'm doing: 'watch CardDesk::CardElement::_storedHeight'`
`22:42.40`	`pb_`	`kergoth: ah, right. what's the difference between a watch on a function and a break, or isn't there one?`
`22:42.41`	`mark`	`kergoth: i'm trying to give up printfs :)`
`22:42.48`	`Speedy2`	`Here is an interesting question: What is the size of a "dot" when referring to "DPI"`
`22:42.50`	`kergoth`	`pb_: doesnt stop execution, dumps a message that it was run`
`22:42.51`	`Speedy2`	`?`
`22:42.56`	`pb_`	`kergoth: aha, gotcha`
`22:43.05`	`pb_`	`sounds like a useful trick.`
`22:43.20`	`kergoth`	`handy once in a while. particularly if i'm in a foreign codebase`
`22:43.23`	`kergoth`	`trying to figure out whats going on :)`
`22:43.29`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`22:59.24`	`Speedy2`	`bbl`
`23:00.22`	`kergoth`	`k`
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`23:02.23`	`_Psycho`	`opie take so long to compile, ker you have any hint to speed that up other than mrproper ;) ? like once its build i just remove everything in menuconfig and just add patched stuff hehe`
`23:04.17`	`kergoth`	`use ccache`
`23:04.24`	`kergoth`	`its amazing`
`23:04.29`	`_Psycho`	`oh`
`23:04.32`	`kergoth`	`things in opie that havent changed wont be recompiled`
`23:04.36`	`kergoth`	`it'll grab the cached objects`
`23:04.51`	`kergoth`	`just install it on your box`
`23:04.55`	`kergoth`	`buildroot will use it if its in the path`
`23:04.59`	`_Psycho`	`sound good`
`23:04.59`	`_Psycho`	`ok`
`23:05.04`	`_Psycho`	`then when i do a make clean it keep it ?`
`23:05.19`	`_Psycho`	`or mrproper he will cache the objects`
`23:05.20`	`_Psycho`	`i see`
`23:05.21`	`_Psycho`	`i try that`
`23:05.22`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho: your compiler cache is in $HOME`
`23:05.28`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho: seperate from all build trees`
`23:05.30`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho: :)`
`23:05.32`	`_Psycho`	`ah ok`
`23:05.37`	`_Psycho`	`cool`
`23:05.40`	`_Psycho`	`will save me 3 hours =p`
`23:05.43`	`kergoth`	`yes`
`23:05.46`	`kergoth`	`it is amazxing`
`23:05.48`	`kergoth`	`amazing`
`23:05.51`	`_Psycho`	`indeed`
`23:05.56`	`kergoth`	`especially with buildroot, when you often have to clean or mrpoper something`
`23:06.02`	`_Psycho`	`well anyway opie should be almost done`
`23:06.02`	`kergoth`	`keep in mind, the cache gets large`
`23:06.08`	`kergoth`	`i have a 2.5gb compiler cache atm`
`23:06.09`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:06.17`	`_Psycho`	`i had some depencie problem doing make image last night so i just clearer everything and i rebuild now`
`23:06.26`	`kergoth`	`k`
`23:06.29`	`_Psycho`	`well i can always resize my partition again`
`23:06.49`	`_Psycho`	`hey my first patch to oz`
`23:06.54`	`_Psycho`	`i think i go buy a pack of 12 =p`
`23:07.15`	`_Psycho`	`its not much, i guess its better than nothing`
`23:07.29`	`_Psycho`	`when i do a send, you do a retrieve or something before you resolve / push ?`
`23:07.50`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`23:07.54`	`_Psycho`	`ok`
`23:07.56`	`kergoth`	`bk receive -avv, runs bk resolve for me`
`23:07.59`	`kergoth`	`then i push it to bkbits`
`23:08.00`	`kergoth`	`from my tree`
`23:08.11`	`_Psycho`	`ah ok`
`23:08.24`	`kergoth`	`since i have push access`
`23:08.35`	`_Psycho`	`omg for real !`
`23:08.36`	`_Psycho`	`=p`
`23:08.39`	`kergoth`	`once you prove yourself, that you wont break anything, i'll giv eyou push access`
`23:08.44`	`kergoth`	`until then the changesets go through me`
`23:08.50`	`_Psycho`	`hehe i rather send them to you really`
`23:09.04`	`_Psycho`	`i still dont know half of the buildroot files still`
`23:09.05`	`kergoth`	`dont want the responsibility? :)`
`23:09.49`	`_Psycho`	`nah i just dont know what files i can edit, what files are made by scripts, what files do what etc. like dependency for the make image, if i want to fix them i dont know where so i can edit the wrongt hing /shrug`
`23:10.15`	`kergoth`	`understandable`
`23:11.23`	`_Psycho`	`gnuboy was not compiling last week i might check that if i got time`
`23:11.34`	`kergoth`	`k`
`23:11.35`	`_Psycho`	`but i never have much time like 2 hours by night or so`
`23:14.06`	`greearb`	`anyone know size of perl-core v/s perl-micro ?`
`23:21.41`	`_Psycho`	`geesh, i was short in cash to pay my taxes, i when to my bank web site, clicked for asking cash, typed my account and they gave it to me right away. thats not a small ammount, im impress`
`23:21.56`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`23:21.57`	`kergoth`	`shit`
`23:22.01`	`kergoth`	`i havent done my taxes`
`23:22.07`	`_Psycho`	`14 days left`
`23:22.08`	`_Psycho`	`here`
`23:22.14`	`_Psycho`	`it was 4k$`
`23:22.18`	`_Psycho`	`geesh`
`23:22.19`	`_Psycho`	`like`
`23:22.20`	`_Psycho`	`wow`
`23:22.25`	`kergoth`	`very cool`
`23:22.45`	`treke`	`kergoth: did you at least get your extension filed?`
`23:22.52`	`_Psycho`	`i thought it would take like a week before i get anything or i would have to go to my bank hehe`
`23:22.59`	`mark`	`kergoth: i think OZ may be about to ruin your life`
`23:23.19`	`kergoth`	`treke: no. the deadline was yesterday, right?`
`23:23.25`	`cynTop`	`hah bad kergoth`
`23:23.25`	`treke`	`kergoth: yeah :)`
`23:23.27`	`treke`	`I think`
`23:23.30`	`cynTop`	`money man no likey you`
`23:23.35`	`kergoth`	`treke: i'm certain I dont have to pay this year, so hopefully its not a huge deal`
`23:23.37`	`treke`	`I'd ask my father, but he's on the plain to hawaii atm :)`
`23:25.29`	`treke`	`kergoth: break even, or do they owe you?`
`23:26.03`	`kergoth`	`owe me`
`23:26.07`	`kergoth`	`dont recall how much though`
`23:26.36`	`_Psycho`	`hmm stopped at libsdl-qte. sdl-qtopia.files doesnt exist i think its easy to fix ? ( i check now thought)`
`23:27.11`	`kergoth`	`that error doesnt mean a file is missing`
`23:27.16`	`kergoth`	`it just means that sdl-qtopia failed to apply`
`23:27.38`	`_Psycho`	`yeah well the make stop, maybe its just a bad clean or something`
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`23:29.54`	`kergoth`	`hey mdz, hows it goin?`
`23:30.03`	`_Psycho`	`oh well just removed it from the makefile`
`23:30.04`	`mdz`	`hey`
`23:30.12`	`mdz`	`just trying to beat this new xchat into submission`
`23:30.33`	`mdz`	`somebody thought it would be a bright idea to change the key bindings`
`23:30.40`	`mdz`	`so that control-w, instead of deleting a word like in every sane application`
`23:30.48`	`mdz`	`instead quits the channel`
`23:31.03`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`23:31.06`	`kergoth`	`thats annoying`
`23:31.20`	`mdz`	`I've been quitting channels left and right for days`
`23:31.23`	`mdz`	`just found where it's setting the binding`
`23:31.28`	`yeiazel`	`^W is the gnome/gtk shortcut for "close window"`
`23:31.48`	`mdz`	`yeiazel: not when focus is in a text entry box`
`23:31.54`	`yeiazel`	`it's the same in galeon, abiword, and so...`
`23:31.55`	`pb_`	`I keep finding with xchat2 that I accidentally detach a tab into its own window, and can't figure out how to put it back.`
`23:32.05`	`mdz`	`in xchat's case it's definitely a binding set in xchat, not in gtk`
`23:32.07`	`yeiazel`	`mdz: yeah...`
`23:32.17`	`mdz`	`this happens when I'm typing in text, which is infuriating`
`23:32.30`	`mdz`	`and for some reason I can't change it at runtime`
`23:32.39`	`mdz`	`I set gtk-can-change-accels = 1 in ~/.gtkrc-2.0`
`23:32.50`	`mdz`	`but still I can't change the accelerator by pressing a key combination when hovering over the menu item`
`23:33.08`	`mdz`	`but enough off-topic ranting`
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`23:45.33`	`greearb`	`cd /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipks; /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/scripts/mkipkg --strip=arm-linux-strip /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/libc6-2.2.4-11`
`23:45.34`	`greearb`	`/home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/scripts/mkipkg: cannot find ipkg-build, exiting...`
`23:45.34`	`greearb`	`make[1]: *** [/home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/libc6_2.2.4-11_armv4l-strongarm.ipk] Error 1`
`23:45.34`	`greearb`	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/glibc'
`23:45.34`	`greearb`	`make: *** [packages/glibc] Error 2`
`23:45.47`	`kergoth`	`greearb: you're using a semiold tree`
`23:45.48`	`kergoth`	`greearb: do this`
`23:45.57`	`greearb`	`I just pulled fresh?`
`23:46.00`	`kergoth`	`greearb: rm -rf stamps/.staging output/staging/*`
`23:46.03`	`kergoth`	`greearb: pull means nothing.`
`23:46.05`	`kergoth`	`greearb: heh`
`23:46.10`	`kergoth`	`greearb: point is, your tree -started- old ;)`
`23:46.23`	`kergoth`	`greearb: wipe staging with that commadn, then run make`
`23:46.26`	`kergoth`	`greearb: then you should be ok`
`23:46.27`	`greearb`	`oh :)`
`23:46.37`	`greearb`	`okie..thanks...re-starting build`
`23:46.51`	`kergoth`	`np`
`23:47.37`	`greearb`	`got my zauri and a 64MB flash card now...about ready to raise hell :)`
`23:47.47`	`greearb`	`or at least attempt :P`
`23:47.47`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`23:48.01`	`kergoth`	`remember, that when source version changes of packages, you need to mrproper them so they obtain newer versions`
`23:48.09`	`kergoth`	`and when packages change in other ways, they should be cleaned`
`23:48.13`	`kergoth`	`with SUBDIRS=packages/blah of course`
`23:48.36`	`kergoth`	`unfortunately the current system isnt powerful enough to automatically clean and rebuild when things change`
`23:48.41`	`greearb`	`gack...how do I tell this happened...watch the bk pull ?`
`23:48.48`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`23:48.50`	`kergoth`	`thats about the only way`
`23:48.59`	`kergoth`	`when a makefile has been touched, its a good idea to rebuild it`
`23:49.02`	`kergoth`	`i'd advise using ccache`
`23:49.08`	`kergoth`	`then compile times will be cut down`
`23:49.11`	`greearb`	`couldn't we echo the version to the dir, and have the make file check each time to see if it changed?`
`23:49.17`	`kergoth`	`yes, it could`
`23:49.33`	`kergoth`	`but i may leave version the same, and change something in staginginstall that only affects builds but not the new ipk`
`23:49.41`	`kergoth`	`so we'd need a crc of the commands in each target`
`23:49.47`	`kergoth`	`staging, binary, rootinstall`
`23:49.56`	`kergoth`	`and the way we handle it now doesnt easily facilitate that`
`23:50.02`	`greearb`	`I have a fast build machine...but the downloads kill me...`
`23:50.22`	`kergoth`	`dont mrproper unless you have to`
`23:50.28`	`kergoth`	`clean doesnt wipe sources, only mrproper does`
`23:50.57`	`kergoth`	`no matter how fast your build machine is, i'd recommend installing ccache :)`
`23:51.02`	`greearb`	`so, maybe we could at least automate the need for mrproper?`
`23:51.08`	`greearb`	`yeah, will look at ccache`
`23:51.10`	`kergoth`	`yeah, that we coudl do fairly easily`
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