| 00:00.35 | ljp | oh. well. it was warth a try |
| 00:02.17 | Dessimat0r | 'warth'? |
| 00:04.36 | djr | someone enlighten me on how i can get memory used... is it buffers+cached+free+inactive - total ? |
| 00:07.32 | Dessimat0r | The speaker thing on the new version of XMMS is damn nice ;) |
| 00:07.46 | Dessimat0r | *buzzer without headphones, sorry |
| 00:11.50 | ljp | I think thats oz |
| 00:12.51 | Dessimat0r | pnis said that he interfaced with the new speaker dsp, or something, in his new version of XMMS ;) |
| 00:13.16 | Dessimat0r | Wonder if the sound quality can still be improved |
| 00:13.24 | Dessimat0r | Not very likely, however |
| 00:13.51 | Dessimat0r | as it is a piezeo |
| 00:16.54 | ljp | heh headline, "to stay slim, stop watching tv".. heh.. duh |
| 01:03.19 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.29 | treke|home | not exactly brain surgery :) |
| 01:04.44 | Dessimat0r | wonder what would happen if you put a CPU into your brain, would your brain adapt to using it? |
| 01:05.25 | Dessimat0r | or what would happen if you touched two people's brains together |
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| 01:10.50 | treke|home | what would happen if I wired your brain to a tactical nuclear weapon |
| 01:10.56 | treke|home | and detonated it |
| 01:12.07 | icefox | it would be like the 1974 movie |
| 01:12.08 | icefox | stupid |
| 01:13.04 | ljp | icefox: so what are you doing now you are free? |
| 01:13.25 | icefox | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/ |
| 01:13.41 | ljp | you are a web page? |
| 01:13.59 | icefox | updated my resume, website, working on apps, vistied old firends, working on networksettings in opie, wrote an essay and that was just this week |
| 01:14.02 | Dessimat0r | treke: my brain would be annihilated, along with the area around my brain |
| 01:14.09 | Dessimat0r | however, i would have ejected my body |
| 01:14.28 | kenb | icefox: nice icons. You make them yourself? |
| 01:15.08 | icefox | the ones at the top? |
| 01:15.23 | icefox | only the transformers one, the rest were from kde |
| 01:15.36 | kenb | thought they looked familar :) |
| 01:17.26 | ljp | nice essay. ;) |
| 01:18.38 | icefox | hehe |
| 01:19.41 | ljp | some developers notice early on that a company might not understand open source. |
| 01:20.32 | icefox | as one person said my essay is the cathedral and the bazzar for dummies |
| 01:21.21 | ljp | :) |
| 01:21.46 | kenb | heh |
| 01:21.58 | djr | how is the used memory obtained? "(total) - (cached + free + buffers)" ? |
| 01:25.08 | ivan | icefox: your essay is flawed |
| 01:26.18 | ivan | you're assuming people want to work on commercial software and that providing full access to everything will not damage the company's reputation |
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| 01:27.17 | chouimat | hi |
| 01:27.26 | ljp | yo G |
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| 01:27.44 | ljp | chouimat: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/bad_apples.php |
| 01:27.51 | chouimat | ok |
| 01:28.01 | icefox | ivan: I do say if possible you should provide |
| 01:28.19 | ivan | yes, but who would want to work on something with a very restricted open source license? |
| 01:28.24 | icefox | ...are all very easy things that can be provided in most cases. |
| 01:28.26 | ivan | you /are/ trying to make money of off it, right? |
| 01:28.37 | icefox | a lot of companies arn't |
| 01:28.40 | ivan | open source is only a solution for huge companies that have other sources of revenue |
| 01:28.48 | icefox | they are simply utilizing the open source to fill a gap |
| 01:28.52 | icefox | they sell something else |
| 01:29.00 | kenb | You can open source non-essential programs. |
| 01:29.02 | icefox | goverment contracts for state services |
| 01:29.08 | icefox | they sell the hardware |
| 01:29.11 | kenb | My employer is looking at doing that now. |
| 01:29.14 | icefox | service contracts |
| 01:29.15 | icefox | etc |
| 01:29.21 | ivan | well i guess if you're talking about software meant for internal tasks then yes, open source could help |
| 01:29.32 | ivan | like "let's make some accounting software and we'll use it" |
| 01:29.37 | kenb | OpenSource some non-business related (ie: infrastructure management) software |
| 01:30.00 | icefox | ivan: it isn't supost to convice them to open source current close source, but more talks about when using already open sourced software what shoudl be done |
| 01:30.10 | chouimat | kenb: I maybe able to port linux on Philips Trimedia cpu soon (about 50% chance) |
| 01:30.16 | kenb | chouimat: nice |
| 01:30.29 | kenb | chouimat: did you start anything on the webpals? |
| 01:30.46 | chouimat | kenb: still need to do the serial port to flash it |
| 01:30.58 | chouimat | brb |
| 01:31.04 | kenb | chouimat: ah. Mine are still boxed at the moment. I used one for a demo last week |
| 01:31.14 | icefox | ivan: how would I be able to better express that in my essay? |
| 01:31.17 | kenb | but I don't have easy access to a TV anymore, so it's on hold. |
| 01:31.26 | ljp | ya, they can open source the updater program |
| 01:32.27 | Dessimat0r | better sleep now |
| 01:32.27 | Dessimat0r | hehe] |
| 01:32.33 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 01:33.07 | chouimat | csh.rit.edu? someone wrote an os there (shagos or something like that) |
| 01:33.21 | icefox | yah |
| 01:33.27 | icefox | it is a requirment of os2 |
| 01:33.33 | icefox | everyone writes there own os |
| 01:33.48 | chouimat | icefox: ok better that at ulaval ... they removed os2 |
| 01:33.51 | icefox | weekendOS is my favorite :0) |
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| 01:34.25 | chouimat | icefox: when I did that class I had the choice: 2 exams and 3 homeworks or 1 exams and a project ... |
| 01:34.45 | chouimat | so I took the second options ... and I wrote mk/2 |
| 01:35.12 | icefox | well I havn't gotten to that class yet... |
| 01:35.15 | icefox | :) |
| 01:35.32 | chouimat | icefox: they replace it with a parallel programmation class |
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| 01:39.24 | NetNut404_PDA | hmm buzzer is different in oz 3.2? cant get it to make a sound |
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| 01:46.00 | thMachine | sysvinit or the other one? |
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| 01:48.34 | ljp | my cat brought in a stick and is playing with it |
| 01:50.07 | ljp | who's doing that camera app? |
| 01:50.24 | chouimat | ljp: my cat is trying to open the cat treat box |
| 01:50.31 | ljp | still? |
| 01:50.56 | chouimat | ljp: yup ... and me I will go out buy some beers a little later |
| 01:51.37 | thMachine | ok, i'm trying to do make image.. i go through the config creation script and when it finally starts doing stuff it dies after: |
| 01:52.27 | thMachine | sigh, of course copy paste decides not work |
| 01:52.51 | thMachine | it dies after attempting to install ipkg to root |
| 01:59.30 | caffeine | am i missing something? flashed to 3.2 but can't upgrade to new packages in unstable |
| 02:00.16 | kergoth`bbl | caffeine: read the mailing list archives |
| 02:03.32 | thMachine | kergoth`bbl: any idea why make image would die after the attempting to install ipkg? |
| 02:03.46 | kergoth`bbl | nope |
| 02:03.49 | kergoth`bbl | die in what way? |
| 02:03.57 | kergoth`bbl | what error? |
| 02:05.39 | thMachine | make[1]:*** ..... ipkg.control] Error 1 |
| 02:05.58 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:06.04 | kergoth | thats not the real error. anything else? |
| 02:06.08 | thMachine | conveniately my comp decides to not like copy/pastes currently... |
| 02:06.52 | kergoth | hmmk i'll update and build and image, see if i see the problem here |
| 02:06.57 | kergoth | waiting for opie to recompile atm |
| 02:08.00 | thMachine | it does the Installing ipkg to root thing, then the next error is a long line with that beginning and end... with the path to ipkg.control inside []'s... along the lines of output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ipkg.control |
| 02:08.13 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:08.18 | kergoth | its hiding the real error messages |
| 02:08.19 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:08.46 | thMachine | i just did a bk pull to make sure i had the latest |
| 02:08.59 | kergoth | bk vi Rules.make |
| 02:09.03 | kergoth | find the %.control rule |
| 02:09.11 | kergoth | remove the >/dev/null or whatever after the ipkg line |
| 02:09.19 | kergoth | then you'll see the messages it outputs |
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| 02:12.37 | magicsofa | ------------------------------DOOM ROLEPLAY, GO TO #STATIONALPHA !!!!!!!! |
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| 02:13.12 | thMachine | no such file: output/staging/-linux/bin/ipkg |
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| 02:38.13 | kergoth | /usr/src/collie$ OPIEDIR=/usr/src/collie/build/opie scripts/mkipkg --destdir=build/opie --control=build/opie/library/libqpe1.control --ipkgbuild=output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ipkg-build --mkfsjffs2=output/staging/i386-linux/bin/mkfs.jffs2 --strip=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-strip --filesubst=./test --subst=./subst |
| 02:38.19 | kergoth | tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 02:38.21 | kergoth | Packaged contents of /tmp/mkipkg.15811 into ./libqpe1_1.5.0-1.1_arm.ipk |
| 02:38.24 | kergoth | woot |
| 02:38.29 | kergoth | i can kill of mkipks, thank god |
| 02:39.17 | kergoth | s/of/off/ |
| 02:39.20 | ivan | i hope i won't have to deal with all that ugly stuff |
| 02:39.31 | kergoth | heh, no |
| 02:39.34 | ivan | i'm such a stoopit mac os x user now |
| 02:40.02 | Bala | grrr.. i hate it when you rm -rf a directory of desired files accidently :( |
| 02:40.05 | icefox | so perty |
| 02:40.32 | ivan | i often accidently do rm -r dir-to-copy/ ~/backups/ |
| 02:40.38 | ljp | heh no such domain www.intel.com |
| 02:40.53 | ivan | liar |
| 02:40.57 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:41.02 | Bala | i lost all my backup ipks.. :( |
| 02:41.02 | ivan | Welcome to Intel.com |
| 02:41.10 | kergoth | now i need a way to do variable substitution within my sed filesubst script |
| 02:41.14 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 02:41.17 | thMachine | i think my problem might have been forgetting to make after i switched to the _image config.. instead i went straight to doing make image |
| 02:41.25 | kergoth | thMachine: uhh |
| 02:41.30 | kergoth | thMachine: the faq is wrong. |
| 02:41.36 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-opie .config |
| 02:41.37 | kergoth | make oldconfig |
| 02:41.37 | kergoth | make |
| 02:41.57 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-opie_image output/.config |
| 02:42.00 | kergoth | make image_oldconfig |
| 02:42.01 | kergoth | make image |
| 02:42.05 | kergoth | is the correct steps |
| 02:42.09 | kergoth | need to update the docs |
| 02:47.40 | treke|home | kergoth: you pester jamey today? |
| 02:52.09 | chouimat | kergoth: just heard something not bad on tv |
| 02:52.20 | ljp | not bad? |
| 02:52.53 | chouimat | ljp: an opera the only thing I don't like it's the pseudo dance beat in it |
| 02:53.12 | chouimat | sound too much electronic for my taste |
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| 02:54.08 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 02:54.13 | chouimat | ljp: beside that the music is good but I'm not a fan of ambient techno |
| 02:54.17 | Speedy2 | Kergoth, you be here? |
| 02:55.53 | Speedy2 | Becareful or it might fire back. |
| 02:56.14 | chouimat | Speedy2: hehe |
| 02:56.48 | chouimat | ljp: just download "La Disoa Fredda" from the album atylantos |
| 02:57.13 | ljp | never heard ofit |
| 02:57.22 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah |
| 02:57.22 | chouimat | ljp: modern opera |
| 02:57.29 | Speedy2 | I wish buying a used car weren't such a PITA. |
| 02:57.46 | ljp | oh, like The WHo: Tommy? ;) |
| 02:58.00 | chouimat | Speedy2: finding a new gf is too |
| 02:58.05 | chouimat | ljp: more techno |
| 02:58.06 | ljp | Speedy2: just pick one! |
| 02:58.12 | Speedy2 | chouimat: Yeah, no joke. |
| 02:58.21 | Speedy2 | ljp: Yeah, a bunch of loser wholesalers trying to cheat me. I don't think so. |
| 02:58.29 | ljp | chouimat: you also, just pick one! |
| 02:58.48 | ljp | oh, get it from a person, not a dealer |
| 02:59.05 | chouimat | Speedy2: I know I just met a girl two weeks ago, I knew her for a long time because she work at the grocery I got but she's only 18 ... |
| 02:59.19 | Speedy2 | ljp: No shit. Except in all the classifieds the postings are by wholesaler/dealers, NOT individuals. |
| 02:59.31 | Speedy2 | chouimat: How old are you? |
| 02:59.37 | ljp | 12 |
| 02:59.44 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 02:59.46 | chouimat | Speedy2: 29 |
| 03:00.00 | chouimat | Speedy2: and divorced |
| 03:00.14 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 03:00.28 | Speedy2 | Hilary Duff is the next Melissa Joan Hart. |
| 03:00.30 | chouimat | ljp: and the song I told you to download is in italian |
| 03:00.39 | chouimat | Speedy2: who? |
| 03:00.48 | chouimat | hmmmmm Duff Stout |
| 03:00.49 | Speedy2 | Hah |
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| 03:01.11 | treke|home | hrmm. what should I do about OE tonight |
| 03:01.24 | Speedy2 | And for that matter, Angie Harmon is a copy of Ali MacGraw (a bad one) |
| 03:01.32 | ljp | man, these monks are freakin me out |
| 03:01.47 | ljp | treke: kick its ass |
| 03:01.59 | chouimat | ljp: monks? |
| 03:02.27 | chouimat | ok Bob is here |
| 03:02.56 | ljp | ya, those weird monks that sing that generate two tones |
| 03:03.32 | chouimat | ljp: ok they're able to double their voices ... that like king diamon |
| 03:03.43 | chouimat | s/diamon/diamond |
| 03:04.23 | ljp | bob the cat |
| 03:04.43 | chouimat | ljp: yup ... i find Robert too long |
| 03:05.39 | chouimat | ljp: I think bob is better than the name my sister give to her cat: toffu |
| 03:06.16 | ljp | hmmm... perhaps |
| 03:06.43 | ljp | I had a boss once that had a dog named Matt |
| 03:07.20 | ljp | actually, it was Mathew |
| 03:07.34 | chouimat | ljp: I hate toffu as food imagine a cat named that ... and it's a very agressive one |
| 03:07.51 | Speedy2 | Then name is "Lion" |
| 03:08.09 | chouimat | Speedy2: my sister is a soy addict |
| 03:08.10 | Speedy2 | How about that? Giving one species of cat a name for another? |
| 03:08.16 | Speedy2 | chouimat: Soy is good stuff. |
| 03:08.17 | masticator | tofu is good when firm, and stir fried with meat and lots of chiles |
| 03:08.26 | ljp | chouimat: is she a vegetarian? |
| 03:08.32 | chouimat | ljp: yes |
| 03:08.42 | ljp | married? |
| 03:08.44 | Speedy2 | chouimat: Cool. How old is she? :) |
| 03:08.53 | chouimat | ljp: not really she ate chicken and fish |
| 03:08.58 | chouimat | ljp: nope |
| 03:08.59 | masticator | the chinese and thai do amazing stuff with tofu. |
| 03:08.59 | chouimat | Speedy2 |
| 03:09.11 | icefox | How do you tell if you are compiling for DEBIAN or REd Hat? |
| 03:09.23 | chouimat | Speedy2: 27 April 17th |
| 03:09.23 | ljp | uname -a |
| 03:09.34 | kergoth | I should name my next dog, cat, and my next cat, dog. |
| 03:09.38 | Speedy2 | Hrm. A bit too old |
| 03:09.50 | Speedy2 | (I mean not really, but you know what I mean) |
| 03:10.09 | ljp | eatting checken is not a vegetarian |
| 03:10.12 | masticator | kergoth: only if your cat licks his balls and your dog doesnt give a shit when you ask him to come |
| 03:10.15 | ljp | chicken even |
| 03:10.16 | chouimat | masticator: true but when they started to talk about it in Quebec the recipes tasted very very bad ... I prefer to do my own toffu |
| 03:11.13 | Speedy2 | ljp: Agreed |
| 03:11.31 | ljp | ooohh.. hmmm. my eyes wide open! |
| 03:12.02 | ljp | I bet I could unpatch the new vercel keyboard driver and make my old keybaord work again |
| 03:12.03 | chouimat | I remember that one aunt of my ex-wife had cat and a "furet", and the "furet" like to chew the cat's balls |
| 03:12.28 | ljp | ferret? |
| 03:12.42 | chouimat | ljp: yes |
| 03:12.49 | ljp | hehee |
| 03:12.58 | chouimat | I didn't recalled the exact word |
| 03:13.00 | ljp | sounds painful |
| 03:13.34 | kergoth | ibot: spell furet |
| 03:13.35 | | possible spellings for furet: fret fur et fur-et fruit ferret fired furred Fred frat fared firer fuhrer furry fried fruity Frey faired feet fire frets fury Freda Fredi Freud Frito forte freed fut cruet Forest farer floret forest furor Furies faucet fires first fleet forget fruiter furies furled surety turret |
| 03:13.35 | ljp | I know your english sucks.. thats ok ;) |
| 03:13.38 | chouimat | ljp: the cat was an Hymalayan but the ferret menaged to find them |
| 03:13.49 | chouimat | kergoth: ferret |
| 03:13.58 | kergoth | i know how its spelled |
| 03:14.07 | kergoth | i was seeing if ibot could figure out that 'furet' was ferret |
| 03:14.28 | chouimat | fuck! Bob is drinking my beer |
| 03:14.41 | chouimat | ljp: I bought a grammar today :) |
| 03:15.40 | ljp | you'd think bob was a dog cause he likes beer |
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| 03:16.57 | masticator | ljp: does Vercel actually exist as an entity anymore? |
| 03:17.16 | chouimat | vercel the fabled vaporware? |
| 03:17.45 | Speedy2 | Vercel is ?? |
| 03:17.51 | Speedy2 | The laser/infrared keyboard? |
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| 03:18.11 | kergoth | vercel is a pda, or was going to be |
| 03:18.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:18.13 | treke|home | hmmm. ipkg hasnt been touched for a couple days |
| 03:18.14 | chouimat | Speedy2: last time I heard about it a vaporware (how is that sentence?) |
| 03:18.34 | Speedy2 | I heard about it, ^ "it was still vaporware" |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | chouimat: s/a vaporware/, it was vaporware/; |
| 03:18.46 | kergoth | or that |
| 03:18.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:18.57 | ljp | dont know. the web address still exists |
| 03:19.08 | chouimat | guys ... I'm trying to improve it but you don't want me to talk :) |
| 03:19.19 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
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| 03:19.34 | masticator | ljp: the last time I talked to the CEO, he needed 2 million bucks in cash to go forward |
| 03:19.41 | masticator | that was like 8 months ago |
| 03:19.45 | ljp | vercel is this thingy I have collecting dust on my desk |
| 03:19.58 | chouimat | kergoth: you don't want to ear my talk in english :) |
| 03:20.18 | kergoth | what ever happened to than indian one? |
| 03:20.22 | kergoth | kaii or whatever? |
| 03:20.38 | ljp | ya, by the time vercel gets funded (if ever) the vercel will be outdated already. oh it alreaady id |
| 03:20.52 | chouimat | masticator: just find 20 000 geeks who want to pay 100$ and it's ok :) |
| 03:21.06 | ljp | kaii, not sure Riker would know about that |
| 03:21.16 | kergoth | ibot: seen timriker |
| 03:21.21 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4h 29m 57s ago, saying: 'back in a bit...'. |
| 03:21.23 | masticator | kaii was never a device |
| 03:21.28 | masticator | it was a design |
| 03:21.33 | masticator | that they were supposed to OEM |
| 03:21.40 | masticator | to various manufacturers |
| 03:21.46 | masticator | and that never took off |
| 03:21.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:21.52 | ljp | aah another vaproware |
| 03:22.02 | masticator | the TI, however, is quite real. |
| 03:22.06 | ljp | TI is going to come out with a qtopia/linux device |
| 03:22.07 | treke|home | all linux pdas are desitned to be vaperware |
| 03:22.23 | treke|home | hopefully ti handles things better than sharp |
| 03:22.30 | chouimat | kergoth: I maybe able to port linux to the Philips Trimedia cpu/dsp this summer |
| 03:22.31 | masticator | treke: lets hope they do. |
| 03:23.07 | treke|home | although frankly, with qtopia, I think they are on to a lose |
| 03:23.11 | treke|home | loser |
| 03:24.50 | masticator | treke: at the moment, there isnt anything better than Qtopia or OPIE. |
| 03:24.54 | ljp | haha! I found it! |
| 03:24.57 | treke|home | masticator: nope |
| 03:25.01 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 03:25.01 | kergoth | ljp: keyboard patch? |
| 03:25.16 | ljp | ya, so I can use this thing again |
| 03:25.50 | chouimat | hahaha.... Timmy and the Lord of the Underworld |
| 03:25.55 | kergoth | anyone in here have a tuxscreen? somebody should test the OE support for it |
| 03:25.59 | ljp | is riker still in utah? |
| 03:26.27 | kergoth | ljp: well, he was making his office more comfortable today at ti |
| 03:26.43 | ljp | truely? |
| 03:27.37 | kergoth | yeap |
| 03:27.40 | chouimat | ljp: 514 DVDA songs on kazaa |
| 03:28.10 | ljp | oh cool. he got hired |
| 03:28.26 | Speedy2 | No more Tux Screens, eh? |
| 03:28.26 | kergoth | look at the hostname in ibot's seen timriker output |
| 03:28.27 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:28.49 | kergoth | Speedy2: nope, they've been sold out for quite some time now |
| 03:28.58 | kergoth | arg, this periodic system hang behavior is driving me nuts |
| 03:29.03 | Speedy2 | I guess they could have been kinda cool... |
| 03:29.30 | ljp | ahhh sooo.. cool |
| 03:31.53 | chouimat | ljp: what is cool? I got Hell is no good from the South Park movie but the 4:32 version |
| 03:32.28 | ljp | riker at TI |
| 03:32.40 | treke|home | could it be! opie doesnt compile :) |
| 03:32.57 | ljp | naaa, thats oe fault |
| 03:33.02 | ljp | :) |
| 03:33.21 | Speedy2 | If the TuxScreen could h0x0r into a PBX or you could make a coolio PBX, then it would be useful. |
| 03:33.43 | treke|home | Speedy2: that would negate the purpose of a tux screen |
| 03:34.03 | Speedy2 | How so? |
| 03:34.17 | treke|home | Speedy2: the purpose of a tuxscreen is to be cool, but useless. |
| 03:34.19 | Speedy2 | I always hate how in office PBXs you have to wade through "voice menus" |
| 03:34.21 | ljp | oe on webpal |
| 03:34.22 | Speedy2 | Hahh |
| 03:34.26 | Speedy2 | That should be the topic :) |
| 03:34.29 | Speedy2 | (perhaps of #tuxscreen) |
| 03:34.32 | treke|home | if you make it useful, it would still be cool, but no longer useless |
| 03:34.38 | Speedy2 | Agreed. |
| 03:34.54 | Speedy2 | I have these 5 SA-1100s (190MHz speed grade) sitting around. One day I should do something with them. |
| 03:35.33 | ljp | hack a multiprocessor pda :) |
| 03:36.04 | Speedy2 | Bah. |
| 03:36.11 | Speedy2 | Maybe make some blinking lights |
| 03:36.39 | ljp | oooh. do kernel messages in morse code! |
| 03:36.56 | chouimat | ljp: sometimes |
| 03:38.00 | ljp | oe needs that patch |
| 03:38.33 | chouimat | ljp: I thing I will go watch Baskettball DVD :) |
| 03:39.22 | ljp | hmm |
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| 03:40.20 | chouimat | hrmmmm the chick that play Lita Alexander in Babylon5 will make me do some very good dream tonight |
| 03:40.25 | [aSQUi] | hey |
| 03:40.30 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 03:40.32 | Speedy2 | yourself |
| 03:40.40 | chouimat | *BELCH* |
| 03:40.57 | [aSQUi] | just about to get my new SL 5500.. was wondering if i could ask a few Qs i can't seem to find answers for elsewhere |
| 03:41.07 | Speedy2 | This would be the place to ask. |
| 03:41.12 | ljp | no. no q's allowed here |
| 03:41.33 | ljp | you must pose them as answers, and then we guess the question |
| 03:41.43 | [aSQUi] | jeopardy style :) |
| 03:41.47 | chouimat | [aSQUi]: we don't guaranty the quality of the answer :) |
| 03:41.49 | ljp | right! |
| 03:41.55 | treke|home | chouimat: actually we do |
| 03:42.06 | [aSQUi] | chouimat: or the accuracy of spelling of guarantee? ;) |
| 03:42.13 | treke|home | chouimat: we guarantee that they will be as asshole like as any other support list |
| 03:42.30 | [aSQUi] | anywho.. anyone had much experience using OZ with CF WiFi |
| 03:42.31 | treke|home | you can have that in writing |
| 03:42.39 | kergoth | [aSQUi]: nope, never |
| 03:42.44 | chouimat | [aSQUi]: I'm Quebecers so .... I don't spell french or english correctly ;) |
| 03:42.57 | kergoth | i'm american .. so i dont spell english correctly either |
| 03:42.58 | chouimat | treke|home: ok like M$ tech support |
| 03:42.58 | kergoth | *g* |
| 03:43.03 | [aSQUi] | and are there facilities to synch over ethernet? |
| 03:43.18 | treke|home | kergoth: no. it's the british whou caunt speull |
| 03:43.18 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 03:43.27 | chouimat | huh? someone did a CF ethernet card? |
| 03:43.44 | [aSQUi] | chouimat: yep lots of companies do Compact Flash 802.11b cards |
| 03:43.53 | [aSQUi] | they are around 100USD |
| 03:43.56 | Speedy2 | [aSQUi]: As it is, the device can masquerade via USB as having an IP, so if you use an Ethernet card, it's not much different |
| 03:44.00 | chouimat | [aSQUi]: can't find them here:( |
| 03:44.14 | [aSQUi] | chouimat: here is Quebec? |
| 03:44.23 | chouimat | Quebec City |
| 03:44.38 | [aSQUi] | that's in canada right? (im bad with world geography) |
| 03:44.51 | treke|home | no, its in afghananastan |
| 03:45.00 | ljp | its northern US |
| 03:45.01 | [aSQUi] | Speedy2: cool.. that means i can leave the cradle at work *(since no wifi there) and use wifi to synch @ home. |
| 03:45.37 | chouimat | treke|home: you're as bad as all the american .. Quebec City is near Bagdad ... fuck! another bob near my orange tree |
| 03:45.46 | [aSQUi] | i just wish the sl5500 had 2 CF slots :).. If i want to use extra storage as well as a wifi card i'll have to buy more expensive SD mem. |
| 03:45.51 | chouimat | s/bob/bomb |
| 03:46.07 | [aSQUi] | damn those bob's. |
| 03:46.15 | treke|home | bob licks balls |
| 03:46.21 | [aSQUi] | oh my *covers eyes* |
| 03:46.28 | Speedy2 | [aSQUi]: Yeah, I wish it had two CFs as well. |
| 03:46.44 | chouimat | treke|home: bob is in his litter box right now |
| 03:46.45 | ljp | and bob eats cat treats |
| 03:46.55 | treke|home | [aSQUi]: you can always get an ipaq with a dual CF sleeve :) |
| 03:47.20 | [aSQUi] | treke|home: doesnt that just mean it takes both CF types not 2 CF cards at once? |
| 03:47.29 | treke|home | no |
| 03:47.37 | treke|home | it means it can take two CF cards at one |
| 03:47.41 | treke|home | once |
| 03:48.07 | kergoth | 'both cf types'? |
| 03:48.11 | [aSQUi] | Speedy2: so you've got the ethernet synch thing going? |
| 03:48.13 | kergoth | CF is CF. |
| 03:48.17 | treke|home | kergoth: type one and type 2 |
| 03:48.23 | chouimat | ljp: you have seen is photo? |
| 03:48.24 | [aSQUi] | there are two types.. once is thicker slightly |
| 03:48.25 | kergoth | [aSQUi]: syncing works across any tcp/ip connection |
| 03:48.31 | kergoth | [aSQUi]: regardless of how it happens |
| 03:48.31 | [aSQUi] | yay |
| 03:48.43 | Speedy2 | [aSQUi]: I don't personally, but the Z just sees an IP...WiFi, Ethernet, USBNet, whatever... |
| 03:49.14 | treke|home | except the sharp rom. It ignores anything other than usbnet, doesnt it? |
| 03:49.16 | chouimat | ljp: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/bob.jpg |
| 03:49.26 | ljp | chouimat: I think so, a fat black cat |
| 03:49.29 | [aSQUi] | kergoth: the cf socket and interface api are the same for diff types |
| 03:49.45 | [aSQUi] | kergoth: but the cards differ a teeny bit in size.. so they don't fit.. |
| 03:49.52 | kergoth | yes, i know |
| 03:49.58 | kergoth | didnt think about it, sine the Z supports boht |
| 03:50.05 | [aSQUi] | *nods* |
| 03:50.08 | [aSQUi] | cool. |
| 03:50.21 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Any links on the handwriting recog input stuff? So I can know what strokes do what? |
| 03:50.35 | treke|home | the dual cf sleeve is actually one type2 slot ( that can take type 1) and a type 1 sloot |
| 03:50.36 | kergoth | dont know any other than the opie users manual |
| 03:50.37 | [aSQUi] | I'm pondering paying 55AUD more for 256Mb of SD so i can wifi at the same time.. |
| 03:50.38 | kergoth | ask in #opie |
| 03:50.44 | Speedy2 | Ok, will do |
| 03:50.48 | ljp | oh, he's not too fat. my cat would like him |
| 03:51.03 | treke|home | Speedy2: hit the button labeled like a pen |
| 03:51.05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did anyone measure the power consumption of the Z with and without backlight? |
| 03:51.21 | kergoth | i'd tell you to hit up the info on docs.zaurus.com |
| 03:51.23 | chouimat | ljp: Bob is only 9 pounds |
| 03:51.23 | kergoth | if it wasnt down |
| 03:51.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:51.40 | ljp | my cat is slimming down |
| 03:51.56 | ljp | she was ffffaaaattttt. now she's a trite overweight |
| 03:52.03 | Speedy2 | Tie a belt around him. He'll look like a slimmer cat, but no dieting/excercising |
| 03:52.22 | chouimat | ljp: mine is 10 months and 1/2 |
| 03:52.28 | ljp | maybe if my cat would stop watching tv, she wouldnt be fat |
| 03:52.57 | ljp | mine about a years or something |
| 03:53.22 | chouimat | ljp: mine like to watch pussies on the net :) |
| 03:53.30 | treke|home | kergoth: hrmm. you sure ipkg upgrade doesnt work? |
| 03:53.38 | chouimat | and me too |
| 03:53.44 | kergoth | treke|home: didnt work at all testing it last night |
| 03:53.46 | ljp | hmm |
| 03:53.51 | treke|home | its doing something |
| 03:53.56 | ljp | I need to go crash... |
| 03:54.23 | chouimat | ljp: you have some 1-976 with bib boobed chick late at night? |
| 03:54.33 | ljp | later |
| 03:54.46 | chouimat | ljp: bye |
| 03:55.15 | kergoth | you know, working 10-7 doesnt suck so much now that its staying light later, i'm getting to like it more |
| 03:55.32 | Speedy2 | I used to work 10-6 or 11-8 |
| 03:55.36 | Speedy2 | I liked it a lot better |
| 03:55.42 | treke|home | kergoth: ok. I just verified that I was able to upgrade my kernel packages from -4 to -5 with 0.99.79 |
| 03:55.42 | Speedy2 | No people around later on |
| 03:55.44 | Speedy2 | Quiet, etc |
| 03:55.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:55.51 | kergoth | treke|home: ah, cool |
| 03:55.52 | chouimat | kergoth: that better than me lately ... I got about 10 hours of sleep since sunday |
| 03:55.55 | kergoth | treke|home: from a feed or local? |
| 03:55.58 | treke|home | feed |
| 03:56.10 | Speedy2 | You can play music loudly, walk around, do whatever the fuck you want |
| 03:56.55 | kergoth | Speedy2: and my boss leaves at 5, so i can often bolt early :D |
| 03:58.01 | treke|home | fuck are people really this stupid? |
| 03:58.07 | treke|home | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=991 |
| 03:58.19 | chouimat | kergoth: I work at home so when the client pay for 6 hours of work what proof he had :) |
| 03:58.46 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe |
| 03:59.35 | chouimat | kergoth: last night a client told me the problem I will need 6 hours to fix it ... and he give me the check ... I needed 10 minutes :) |
| 03:59.40 | kergoth | nie |
| 03:59.42 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:00.03 | chouimat | kergoth: 360$ (CAD) for 10 minutes ;) |
| 04:00.50 | treke|home | kergoth: looks like it segfaults if you pass it a url though |
| 04:01.09 | chouimat | wow! the philips chips rocks |
| 04:01.11 | kergoth | fun |
| 04:01.17 | Speedy2 | What? Philips sux. |
| 04:01.19 | treke|home | or a local file |
| 04:01.55 | Speedy2 | You didn't cheat on your wife, did you? |
| 04:02.29 | kergoth | brb, going to the store to get something to eat, cupboards are fucking empty |
| 04:02.34 | chouimat | Speedy2: trimedia? |
| 04:02.57 | Speedy2 | I mean Philips in general sux. |
| 04:03.10 | treke|home | fuck now ipkg segfaults |
| 04:03.43 | chouimat | Speedy2: the philips trimedia cpu/dsp is cool |
| 04:03.55 | Speedy2 | I wouldn't touch anything from Philips with a 50-ft pool |
| 04:04.01 | Speedy2 | If you want a CPU+DSP, go with a TI part. |
| 04:04.11 | Speedy2 | Philips is a SHIT company. |
| 04:05.28 | [aSQUi] | Speedy2: a 50ft pool.. isn't that like..competition sized? ;) |
| 04:06.08 | Speedy2 | Heh :) |
| 04:06.10 | Speedy2 | pole :) |
| 04:06.37 | [aSQUi] | mm.. Zaurus on 18th april |
| 04:06.46 | Speedy2 | HSN? |
| 04:06.51 | [aSQUi] | nup ebay |
| 04:06.57 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 04:07.05 | [aSQUi] | brand new tho. |
| 04:07.15 | [aSQUi] | 210 USD |
| 04:07.20 | Speedy2 | Not bad. |
| 04:07.29 | [aSQUi] | what were they on HSN again>? |
| 04:07.30 | Speedy2 | You know HSN is selling them for $165, right? |
| 04:07.35 | Speedy2 | USD. |
| 04:07.39 | [aSQUi] | are you shitting me? |
| 04:07.42 | Speedy2 | No |
| 04:07.45 | Bala | HSN is sold out though |
| 04:07.49 | Speedy2 | Bala: Again!? |
| 04:07.57 | Bala | indeed |
| 04:07.58 | Speedy2 | They sold out and were supposed to get some more. |
| 04:07.59 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 04:08.05 | Speedy2 | Do they plan on getting any more? |
| 04:08.06 | chouimat | Speedy2: my uncle co did a product with the philips trimedia and I'm looking to have the evalution board |
| 04:08.20 | Speedy2 | chouimat: Ok. But beware, Philips sux. |
| 04:08.58 | chouimat | Speedy2: www.teledac.com and look for the tellimage product |
| 04:09.39 | chouimat | Speedy2: the Iristext line are based on the TMS34010 or TMS34020 |
| 04:10.25 | Speedy2 | TI parts... |
| 04:11.00 | chouimat | Speedy2: I know ... the TMS34XXX are bits adressable if I recall correctly |
| 04:11.24 | Speedy2 | Well, I had better go eat. |
| 04:11.38 | chouimat | Speedy2: I can have a TI/99-4a for 10$ |
| 04:11.58 | Speedy2 | If you'll pay $10 for mine, I'll send it too ! |
| 04:12.08 | Speedy2 | Hell, I have two of them |
| 04:12.12 | Speedy2 | One with expandable disk drive and all |
| 04:12.15 | Speedy2 | Printer too |
| 04:12.24 | Speedy2 | Word Processor, Pac Man, King Kong, and other games. |
| 04:12.28 | chouimat | Speedy2: I still have a Color Computer 3 but with 16MB ram |
| 04:13.04 | chouimat | man Microware OS-9 was a great OS for 1986 :) |
| 04:13.20 | Speedy2 | It should fly on today's hardware then, don't you think? |
| 04:13.59 | chouimat | Speedy2: yup but they only support embedded develop with winblows host for devel :( |
| 04:14.10 | Speedy2 | Oh well |
| 04:14.30 | Speedy2 | Must eat. Will be back. |
| 04:14.33 | chouimat | Speedy2: I knowI have the 60 days |
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| 04:26.08 | [aSQUi] | mm.. we love works shonky connection |
| 04:26.17 | [aSQUi] | someone said Zaurus for 175 on HSN.. |
| 04:26.30 | [aSQUi] | i believe that's for a refurbed model.. yes? |
| 04:26.50 | [aSQUi] | there are lots of refurbs around with a limited 3month warranty |
| 04:27.17 | icefox | no |
| 04:29.06 | [aSQUi] | got a url? |
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| 04:51.56 | [aSQUi] | no one here now i guess? |
| 04:56.55 | [aSQUi] | mm.. ill come back later :) |
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| 05:58.03 | chouimat | night |
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| 08:29.01 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 11:05.59 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 11:07.47 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
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| 11:55.07 | ljp | hmmm |
| 11:55.13 | mickeyl | ? |
| 11:59.16 | ljp | does oz use /linuxrc ? |
| 12:00.01 | mickeyl | hmm... afaik not |
| 12:00.06 | mickeyl | not sure however |
| 12:06.22 | ljp | hmm ya I cant fin d it |
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| 12:40.20 | noidd | how is everyone today? |
| 12:41.42 | mickeyl | pretty busy |
| 12:41.44 | mickeyl | how are u? |
| 12:42.17 | pb_ | looking forward to gtk being supported. |
| 12:42.55 | mickeyl | if you can make gtk+ supported, i will bring you PyGTK :-D |
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| 14:07.34 | sieve | 'lo all |
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| 14:34.13 | Dessimat0r | haha, Saddam's statue is about to fall down in Baghdad |
| 14:44.56 | pb_ | kergoth: morning |
| 14:45.03 | kergoth | hey |
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| 14:45.23 | kergoth | mornin treke |
| 14:45.38 | treke | mornin |
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| 15:05.13 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 15:05.16 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 15:18.42 | kergoth | man this is a good cd |
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| 15:23.58 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 15:24.09 | bipolar | kergoth: hello |
| 15:24.40 | bipolar | I see zaurus.com is back online |
| 15:25.05 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:25.06 | bipolar | maybe I'll be able to get a new build today.. heh |
| 15:33.17 | kergoth | heh, we mirrored the embedix patch on opie.us :) |
| 15:35.22 | bipolar | hehe |
| 15:37.34 | mithro | kergoth! |
| 15:37.44 | kergoth | hey mithro |
| 15:37.44 | mithro | i've been playing with the keymap |
| 15:38.08 | kergoth | speaking of whihc, i wonder if sharp has a keymap document that outlines every keycombination that we can copy the behavior of |
| 15:38.29 | kergoth | mithro: hows it coming along? |
| 15:39.04 | mithro | well i have figured out that opie does get all key presses into it so a "software" keymap would work... |
| 15:39.29 | kergoth | mithro: right now |
| 15:39.33 | kergoth | mithro: qt/e has a hardcoded keymap |
| 15:39.43 | kergoth | mithro: but, i wrote a patch to make it base its internal maps on the kernel keymap. |
| 15:39.53 | kergoth | mithro: i then promptly lost the patch.. so i have to rewrite it |
| 15:40.07 | bipolar | kergoth: I hate when that happens |
| 15:40.08 | mithro | yeah but you can override it, there are a few programs out there that will do it in software |
| 15:40.09 | kergoth | point is, if we get the kernel keymap done, we have proper key mapping in X, console, _and_ opie once i rewrite the patch |
| 15:40.10 | bipolar | :p |
| 15:40.16 | kergoth | mithro: unnecessary. |
| 15:40.22 | kergoth | and its a hack |
| 15:40.25 | kergoth | this is the proper solution |
| 15:40.56 | mithro | kergoth: i think a software map is a good thing for the simple thing is that i don't like some of sharps "default" combernations |
| 15:41.07 | mithro | however i think the kernel should have the proper keymap :) |
| 15:41.33 | mithro | once i have all the keycodes to keys etc a kernel keymap shouldn't be to hard... |
| 15:41.41 | Dessimat0r | almost the weekend... |
| 15:41.45 | Dessimat0r | hell has almost ended |
| 15:42.27 | kergoth | mithro: better solution |
| 15:42.37 | kergoth | mithro: qt/e needs a means by which you can alter its map directly |
| 15:42.48 | kergoth | mithro: rather than doing hackish qt keycode translations at a higher level |
| 15:42.52 | kergoth | more like xmodmap |
| 15:43.37 | mithro | kergoth: yeah |
| 15:43.54 | kergoth | anyway, the real problem is figuring out what key combinations exist in sharp |
| 15:43.57 | kergoth | if they had a doc.. |
| 15:44.02 | kergoth | then just take that and make use of it |
| 15:44.09 | kergoth | thats what i did for our 2.4.19 default kernel keymap |
| 15:44.18 | kergoth | took a couple hours and a printout of the key combos |
| 15:44.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:44.21 | mithro | yeah couldn't find anything |
| 15:44.36 | kergoth | mithro: I contacted sharp regarding c700 specifications recently |
| 15:44.50 | kergoth | requested info on the ati graphics chip as well |
| 15:44.58 | kergoth | hopefully they'll be able to get me the info |
| 15:45.33 | mithro | coolies |
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| 15:45.42 | mithro | i havn't really had much time to work on it though... |
| 15:45.49 | kergoth | but something like keymap info should be public inf |
| 15:45.49 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.53 | kergoth | i shouldnt have to go through those channels |
| 15:45.59 | kergoth | so i'll contact them about that as well |
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| 15:46.20 | mithro | there may be something on a japanese site i could read :) |
| 15:46.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:46.26 | treke | er mozilla |
| 15:46.35 | treke | this bug has been there forever, yet it never gets fixed |
| 15:46.42 | kergoth | mithro: yeah, theres quite a bit of useful info on japanese sites for the c700 |
| 15:47.31 | mithro | been using babelfish alot... |
| 15:47.37 | mithro | :) |
| 15:47.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:48.00 | mithro | thats how i figure out how to read the sharp roms before i found out oz already knew how... |
| 15:48.07 | mithro | (plus a bit of playing..) |
| 15:52.26 | bipolar | If this builds, I'm making a gcc3 based build too. |
| 15:53.08 | kergoth | bipolar: great |
| 15:53.27 | bipolar | kergoth: should I make a new feed on sf for it? |
| 15:53.48 | kergoth | well, we need a place in the filesystem for it.. |
| 15:53.50 | kergoth | dunno where |
| 15:54.28 | bipolar | kergoth: also, I would like to add apps to buildroot, but I think that would require the ability to push to it, right? |
| 15:54.37 | kergoth | nope |
| 15:54.48 | kergoth | you can initially bk ci and bk add your changes |
| 15:54.54 | kergoth | bk commit or citool to build a changeset |
| 15:55.00 | kergoth | and you can bk send -r# kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 15:55.02 | kergoth | and i merge it |
| 15:55.06 | bipolar | heh... cool |
| 15:55.37 | bipolar | first I want to add Car Mileage Calculator... :) |
| 15:55.59 | kergoth | read docs/DEVEL |
| 15:56.01 | kergoth | copy an existing qtopia app |
| 15:56.09 | bipolar | k |
| 15:59.08 | thMachine | is opie currently broken? it's died twice on compiling networksettings stuff |
| 15:59.43 | thMachine | i did mrproper on opie in between the builds |
| 16:02.26 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:02.30 | kergoth | i just built opie last night |
| 16:02.36 | kergoth | but i'll try now |
| 16:02.48 | kergoth | ben did push netwroksettings changes yesterday |
| 16:03.02 | thMachine | that's why i was surprised when i woke up this morning and it had died |
| 16:03.41 | thMachine | interfaceinformationimp.cpp: In method `void InterfaceInformationImp::advanced()': |
| 16:03.41 | thMachine | interfaceinformationimp.cpp:56: `WShowModal' is not a member of type `Qt' |
| 16:03.42 | thMachine | interfaceinformationimp.cpp:56: `WType_Dialog' is not a member of type `Qt' |
| 16:03.54 | thMachine | make[3]: *** [interfaceinformationimp.o] Error 1 |
| 16:03.55 | thMachine | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/thmachin/devel/buildroot-oz/build/opie/noncore/net/networksettings/interfaces' |
| 16:04.11 | kergoth | eh |
| 16:04.17 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 16:08.42 | kergoth | thMachine: well, if its broken, bipolar and i will both run into it |
| 16:08.51 | kergoth | so we'll know soon enough |
| 16:08.56 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 16:09.03 | jmhodges | hola kergoth |
| 16:09.05 | jmhodges | whats news? |
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| 16:12.58 | kergoth | thMachine: yep, its broken. |
| 16:13.19 | bipolar | kergoth: has anyone tried building opie on qte v3? |
| 16:13.29 | thMachine | i'm just having incredible luck with trying to build this thing |
| 16:14.35 | bipolar | kergoth: it's broken? *sigh* |
| 16:14.43 | kergoth | bipolar: yes, networksettings doesnt compile atm |
| 16:15.11 | bipolar | my timing is just horrible |
| 16:15.13 | kergoth | lets LART ben a bit |
| 16:15.16 | kergoth | :D |
| 16:15.18 | treke | ~lart ben |
| 16:15.32 | bipolar | ~lart ben |
| 16:17.06 | kergoth | ~lart ben |
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| 16:18.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:18.35 | kergoth | ben's using widget flags from qt 3.x |
| 16:18.37 | kergoth | ! |
| 16:21.34 | treke | someone needs to give ben a z :) |
| 16:22.09 | mithro | whats lart mean? |
| 16:22.21 | kergoth | ibot: lart |
| 16:22.32 | kergoth | 11:22 <ibot> Desc: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 16:22.50 | mithro | ahh :) |
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| 16:25.20 | treke | it looks like redhat 8 :) |
| 16:25.46 | bipolar | hehe |
| 16:26.42 | bipolar | I downloaded the iso's just to see how well bittorrent worked. |
| 16:26.46 | bipolar | heh |
| 16:26.50 | kergoth | how well did it owrk? |
| 16:26.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:26.59 | bipolar | very nicely. |
| 16:27.10 | mithro | i'm off to bed |
| 16:27.12 | mithro | gnight |
| 16:27.19 | bipolar | got about 40Kps |
| 16:27.20 | kergoth | night |
| 16:27.32 | bipolar | mithro: ;g'night |
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| 16:27.42 | kergoth | its weird seeing actual traffic on openzaurus-devel, even if its small amounts |
| 16:27.51 | bipolar | ~lart my fat fingers |
| 16:28.15 | sieve | kergoth: heh |
| 16:28.30 | kergoth | even if it is complaints |
| 16:28.33 | kergoth | 'ahh opie wont compile' |
| 16:28.38 | kergoth | me: 'shit happens' |
| 16:28.41 | kergoth | .. |
| 16:30.26 | treke | yup. He isnt quite getting the point that buildroot itself is fine, it's upstream that is broken. |
| 16:30.36 | treke | he can always cvsdate opie |
| 16:31.10 | treke | personally, I'm for leaving opie on head until it starts approaching time to do releases |
| 16:31.15 | kergoth | yep |
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| 16:31.26 | kergoth | otherwise we're changing cvsdate constantly |
| 16:31.31 | kergoth | which isnt reasonable |
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| 16:35.30 | StarKruzr | 'lo all |
| 16:36.13 | gurok | does anyone know if there is a good reason why the default ppp ip-up script with 3.2 doesn't handle peer dns ? |
| 16:36.34 | kergoth | we're using the default shit in the ppp package |
| 16:36.36 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 16:36.40 | kergoth | no decisions were really made on deviations from it |
| 16:36.50 | ivan | is there a package in the feed to turn off the screen? |
| 16:37.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:37.08 | StarKruzr | does anyone know of a good hardware hack to get a better battery (i.e. the SL-5600's) into my iPaq? |
| 16:37.10 | kergoth | you can go into light & power |
| 16:37.18 | kergoth | and tell it to turn off the screen instead of suspending |
| 16:37.25 | ivan | oh heh, nevermind |
| 16:37.29 | gurok | kergoth - many thanks |
| 16:37.34 | kergoth | i think there are other tools, on zsi, but nothing else in our feeds |
| 16:37.36 | ivan | i guess someone made that program for the sharp rom |
| 16:37.40 | StarKruzr | kergoth: yes, but that requires you to wait for it to suspend itself via timeout, right? |
| 16:37.44 | kergoth | ivan: yep |
| 16:37.47 | kergoth | StarKruzr: yep |
| 16:37.51 | StarKruzr | k |
| 16:37.55 | kergoth | but theres no need to turn it off manually.. |
| 16:38.04 | kergoth | unless you're listening to mp3s, and op2 and xmms should do that automatically |
| 16:38.48 | StarKruzr | OP2 seems to turn off the screen until a new mp3 starts playing, then it turns it on again until the timeout happens again |
| 16:39.23 | StarKruzr | of course it doesn't turn on the backlight when I have it turned off in light & power, but still that LCD has to suck a fair amount of juice |
| 16:39.27 | kergoth | then its a bug |
| 16:39.32 | kergoth | have you opened a bug in the bug tracking system? |
| 16:39.44 | kergoth | if not, you cant expect it to be fixed. |
| 16:39.47 | kergoth | nothing fixes itself. |
| 16:39.48 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 16:39.49 | | methinks opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 16:39.57 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 16:40.05 | StarKruzr | hope I don't have to speak German :) |
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| 16:40.53 | StarKruzr | so any ideas for the battery deal? |
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| 16:45.24 | Dessimat0r | I had a problem with XMMS before - it was stuck in speaker playing mode, when I had the headphones plugged in |
| 16:45.31 | Dessimat0r | opening and closing XMMS did nothing |
| 16:45.33 | Dessimat0r | had to reboot |
| 16:45.49 | Dessimat0r | ah, might help if pnis was here ;) |
| 16:46.31 | StarKruzr | oh, that reminds me |
| 16:47.02 | StarKruzr | how do I enable OP2 to play through /dev/sharp_buz? Hadn't someone figured out a way to treat it as a regular speaker? |
| 16:47.08 | kergoth | read the faq. |
| 16:47.22 | kergoth | the one that says how to use the new dsp for the buzzer |
| 16:47.23 | kergoth | RTFM |
| 16:48.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:49.41 | Dessimat0r | how come catting /dev/sharp_buz reveals data constantly being transmitted, even though the speaker is not in operation? |
| 16:49.52 | kergoth | who cares? |
| 16:49.57 | Dessimat0r | just saying |
| 16:49.58 | kergoth | sharp_buz is a link to dsp1 |
| 16:50.00 | StarKruzr | cruft |
| 16:50.01 | Dessimat0r | might be cpu consuming |
| 16:50.02 | kergoth | dsp1 is both the buzzer and the MIC |
| 16:50.03 | Dessimat0r | or whatever |
| 16:50.07 | kergoth | you're reading the microphone |
| 16:50.07 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 16:50.18 | Dessimat0r | thanks kergoth ;) |
| 16:50.31 | StarKruzr | ... as in you can use the buzzer AS a MIC? |
| 16:50.46 | kergoth | NO |
| 16:50.48 | noidd | you'll have to shout real loud ;-) |
| 16:52.04 | ivan | the microphone is built-in? |
| 16:52.14 | StarKruzr | ok, the FAQ finally loaded and it sure sounds like you can: /dev/dsp1 is the buzzer out and mic in driver, 16bit mono little-endian at 22050 hz (freq subject to change in future) for playback and recording. |
| 16:52.16 | ivan | err no nevermind |
| 16:52.52 | ivan | how bad does the buzzer sound when playing a song? |
| 16:53.41 | Dessimat0r | just buy a mic ;) |
| 16:53.46 | StarKruzr | of course the buzzer seems to be shoved somewhere inside the case with no airholes |
| 16:54.19 | Dessimat0r | not very good sound resonsance |
| 16:54.26 | Dessimat0r | but it makes the Z more beer-proof |
| 16:54.38 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 16:55.40 | StarKruzr | so when I try to do an upgrade from within aqpkg it warns me not to do it while Opie is running. Do I really need to pay attention to this or is it just a "just in case" warning? And if I do, how do I upgrade and keep aqpkg synced with what ipkg upgrades? |
| 16:57.15 | kergoth | theres nothing to sync. |
| 16:57.18 | kergoth | aqpkg parses the ipkg database |
| 16:57.22 | kergoth | if it chagnes, aqpkg ses teh changes |
| 16:57.31 | kergoth | changes, sees, the |
| 16:57.32 | kergoth | cant type |
| 17:00.50 | StarKruzr | ok, someone told me that if I installed something with ipkg on the command line, you had to ln something to something else in order to make aqpkg "see" it |
| 17:01.15 | StarKruzr | but I guess not |
| 17:01.52 | kergoth | installs to _medias_ yes |
| 17:01.55 | kergoth | installs to flash no |
| 17:01.58 | kergoth | just ipkg upgrade |
| 17:01.59 | kergoth | then |
| 17:02.02 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram |
| 17:02.04 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf |
| 17:02.05 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/sd |
| 17:02.08 | kergoth | s/sd/card/ |
| 17:02.09 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 17:02.15 | kergoth | that doesnt make aqpkg "see" it |
| 17:02.24 | kergoth | that makes the links in flash so that you can run them from opie |
| 17:03.17 | StarKruzr | ok. So if I'm not installing anything to medias (does ram count as media?), if I'm just upgrading then all I do is what you just typed? |
| 17:03.28 | StarKruzr | well, I wouldn't need the cf and card lines |
| 17:03.37 | kergoth | hence the 'or whatever' |
| 17:03.45 | kergoth | ram counts as media |
| 17:04.11 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 17:04.13 | kergoth | any packages on anything other than flash need symlinks into flash |
| 17:04.15 | StarKruzr | root does not |
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| 17:04.22 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 17:04.38 | kergoth | by definition installs to flash are already in flash |
| 17:04.43 | kergoth | and hence dont need links into flash :) |
| 17:04.53 | StarKruzr | so aqpkg handles this automatically when you tell it to install to RAM |
| 17:05.02 | kergoth | yup |
| 17:05.11 | StarKruzr | k |
| 17:05.34 | StarKruzr | gracias |
| 17:08.46 | bipolar | kergoth: is networksettings fixed yet? :) |
| 17:10.06 | kergoth | bipolar: yup |
| 17:10.14 | bipolar | cool... |
| 17:10.30 | kergoth | ehh |
| 17:10.32 | kergoth | the fix is in opie cvs |
| 17:10.34 | bipolar | hmm..... |
| 17:10.35 | kergoth | not bk as a patch |
| 17:10.39 | bipolar | hehe |
| 17:10.40 | kergoth | the advantages to having bk core cvs access |
| 17:10.43 | kergoth | just mrproper opie |
| 17:10.48 | kergoth | s/bk core/opie core/ |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | bleh |
| 17:10.52 | kergoth | cant think, much less type |
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| 17:12.10 | SuKoSh| | hi kergoth |
| 17:12.54 | SuKoSh| | util-linux_2.11y.orig.tar.gz isn't available on ftp.debian.org |
| 17:13.04 | SuKoSh| | so i can't compile OZ ... |
| 17:14.03 | ivan | get it from somewhere else |
| 17:14.32 | bipolar | SuKoSh|: Or change the package makefile to point to the updated version |
| 17:15.07 | SuKoSh| | can you tell me how to do this? |
| 17:15.12 | SuKoSh| | edit the makefile? |
| 17:16.38 | bipolar | SuKoSh|: First, what was util-linux upgraded to? Look in the directory where it was looking for util-linux_2.11y.orig.tar.gz and find the new version. |
| 17:16.47 | kergoth | SuKoSh|: its already fixed.. |
| 17:16.49 | SuKoSh| | k |
| 17:16.51 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 17:16.55 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:16.57 | bipolar | nm |
| 17:16.58 | kergoth | i fixed it yesterday |
| 17:16.58 | SuKoSh| | ok ! |
| 17:17.04 | SuKoSh| | thx |
| 17:17.10 | kergoth | always update before complaining |
| 17:17.11 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:17.34 | SuKoSh| | i didn't complain yet ;) |
| 17:19.30 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 17:19.32 | kergoth | BEN |
| 17:19.33 | kergoth | !! |
| 17:19.37 | kergoth | opie still doesnt fucking compile. |
| 17:19.49 | bipolar | kergoth: what now? |
| 17:19.53 | bipolar | ~lart ben |
| 17:21.24 | StarKruzr | harsh |
| 17:27.13 | StarKruzr | only 296 bugs reported in OZ3.2? |
| 17:27.14 | StarKruzr | wow |
| 17:27.36 | bipolar | hmmm... wittling it down.... :) |
| 17:27.55 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:28.01 | kergoth | there arent 296 bugs reported against oz 3.2 |
| 17:28.40 | kergoth | where exactly are you looking? |
| 17:28.55 | StarKruzr | ah, this is Opie, period |
| 17:29.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:29.05 | kergoth | opie != oz |
| 17:29.10 | StarKruzr | right |
| 17:29.12 | treke | 31 bugs for OZ |
| 17:29.14 | kergoth | oz has its own bts |
| 17:29.30 | kergoth | god users are fucking idiots |
| 17:29.33 | StarKruzr | 31?!?! that's pretty awesome |
| 17:29.35 | kergoth | how many duplicate bugs do they have to open? |
| 17:29.37 | kergoth | i mean, really |
| 17:29.42 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 17:30.06 | StarKruzr | as in, opening a bug that was already open in there somewhere, or opening the SAME bug themselves repeatedly? |
| 17:30.17 | kergoth | the former |
| 17:30.20 | kergoth | thankfully |
| 17:30.21 | StarKruzr | ah |
| 17:30.25 | kergoth | the latter would be REALLY fucking stupid |
| 17:30.28 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 17:30.31 | kergoth | instead of just incompetent |
| 17:30.40 | StarKruzr | never underestimate the stupidity of users, my friend |
| 17:30.48 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:30.55 | StarKruzr | e |
| 17:32.46 | StarKruzr | I really need to try opie-wellenreiter sometime |
| 17:34.20 | bipolar | god... I need some software excitement |
| 17:34.38 | bipolar | something new... something cool... to waste some time on! |
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| 17:35.13 | DrZaius | how do you get busybox's vi or the miniature version of vim to recognize the zaurus' backspace key? |
| 17:35.26 | DrZaius | works fine over ssh/telnet, but the one on the actual machine just doesn't do anything |
| 17:35.38 | DrZaius | or rather, it puts a ^? on the screen |
| 17:35.48 | kergoth | stty erase |
| 17:35.57 | kergoth | its the backspaces vs delete behavior |
| 17:36.54 | DrZaius | will that change its behavior in other applications? |
| 17:37.28 | kergoth | it changes the behavior on that tty |
| 17:38.02 | DrZaius | ok. thanks |
| 17:44.58 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 17:45.08 | kergoth | bipolar: i'll second that. |
| 17:45.22 | bipolar | kergoth: is networksettings fixed yet? :) |
| 17:45.23 | bipolar | hahahahaha |
| 17:45.31 | kergoth | fuck no |
| 17:45.34 | bipolar | ~lart me |
| 17:45.35 | kergoth | ~lart benmeyer |
| 17:48.22 | StarKruzr | ? |
| 17:49.35 | bipolar | http://www.brightstareng.com/ <<- They have some cool shit |
| 17:50.19 | StarKruzr | hey, that they do |
| 17:52.43 | StarKruzr | wow, if you had a buddy in the plastics business you could make your own PDA out of this sucker :) |
| 17:53.25 | StarKruzr | what the heck is RS-485? |
| 17:53.45 | pb_ | differential serial |
| 17:53.59 | pb_ | like rs-232, but over a balanced pair. |
| 17:55.36 | StarKruzr | potentially faster? |
| 17:55.51 | StarKruzr | I would think |
| 17:56.01 | StarKruzr | if I understand you correctly |
| 17:56.08 | pb_ | yes, potentially. it's more noise-resistant, so you can go faster or further in the same conditions. |
| 17:59.07 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a menuconfig in buildroot to run opie's menuconfig? |
| 17:59.27 | kergoth | bipolar: friad not, we havent integrated it into the build |
| 17:59.32 | kergoth | bipolar: edit packges/opie/defconfig |
| 17:59.40 | kergoth | or cd build/opie, menuconfig, then copy it back to defconfig |
| 17:59.47 | bipolar | ok |
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| 18:05.16 | noidd | Kergoth: any ideas on the crash-on-restore zaurus in cradle usb bug? |
| 18:05.26 | kergoth | noidd: install usbd-common |
| 18:05.29 | kergoth | noidd: shoudl be fixed |
| 18:05.38 | noidd | the latest from buildroot? thanks :-) |
| 18:05.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:05.48 | kergoth | np, let me know if that takes care of it |
| 18:05.51 | kergoth | i never had a chance to test it |
| 18:06.00 | kergoth | and i've never really been able to reliably repro it anyhow |
| 18:06.17 | noidd | will do |
| 18:07.21 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 18:07.30 | kergoth | last i checked, telnet was tcp/ip, not serial |
| 18:07.32 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:07.40 | StarKruzr | dammit you know what I mean :p |
| 18:07.51 | kergoth | actually i dont |
| 18:07.53 | kergoth | try again |
| 18:08.00 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 18:08.07 | kergoth | bipolar: got that fucker to compile. |
| 18:08.08 | bipolar | yea? |
| 18:08.30 | bipolar | kergoth: hahah... and I just disabled networksettings and am running make... :p |
| 18:08.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:11.12 | thMachine | so networksettigns is working now? |
| 18:11.15 | noidd | there is something screwy with his Z |
| 18:11.21 | noidd | lemme describe this to you |
| 18:11.23 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 18:11.27 | kergoth | whose Z? |
| 18:11.29 | kergoth | client? |
| 18:11.33 | noidd | yes |
| 18:11.39 | noidd | when you click on the wifi applet |
| 18:11.42 | kergoth | thMachine: it compiles. make SUBDIRS=packages/opie mrproper; make |
| 18:11.53 | noidd | so you get the thing that lifts up# |
| 18:12.03 | noidd | and put the refresh rate on full (for fast updates) |
| 18:12.08 | thMachine | fair enough, i guess it remains to see if it runs |
| 18:12.13 | kergoth | thMachine: indeed |
| 18:12.16 | noidd | you get 20-30% corrupt rubbisj |
| 18:12.37 | kergoth | pester MSpin |
| 18:12.39 | kergoth | er |
| 18:12.41 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: |
| 18:12.48 | kergoth | MSpin: sorry, mistabcomplete |
| 18:13.54 | kergoth | noidd: rubbish where? in the values in the appleT? |
| 18:13.59 | kergoth | noidd: i'd say open a bug report in mantis |
| 18:14.07 | noidd | yes |
| 18:14.11 | noidd | but i'm not seeing it either |
| 18:14.17 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:14.20 | kergoth | what card? |
| 18:14.22 | noidd | its definatly somthing stomping on someone elses memory |
| 18:14.26 | noidd | buffal;o |
| 18:14.29 | noidd | same as mine |
| 18:14.40 | noidd | and remember, I was seeing *some* of the same |
| 18:14.45 | noidd | in the lsmod output |
| 18:15.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:15.42 | kergoth | wonder if its a problem in the hostap drivers |
| 18:16.05 | StarKruzr | is it just me, or is OZ.org a wee bit slow? possibly randomly failing? |
| 18:16.42 | kergoth | could be, its hosted by sourceforge |
| 18:16.46 | kergoth | and sf sucks |
| 18:16.46 | kergoth | so |
| 18:16.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:16.52 | noidd | kergoth: we're going to swap physical units |
| 18:16.55 | noidd | for a weel |
| 18:16.56 | noidd | week |
| 18:16.57 | kergoth | noidd: k |
| 18:17.03 | kergoth | physical pdas or cards? |
| 18:17.07 | noidd | Zaurus, SD card, ethernet etc |
| 18:17.10 | noidd | *everything* |
| 18:17.18 | kergoth | k |
| 18:17.22 | noidd | He's had constant crashes, i've had none |
| 18:17.29 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:17.36 | kergoth | i havent seen my 3.2 5500 crash yet |
| 18:17.41 | noidd | he flashed the exact same OZ3.2 image as I did - from the exact same CF card, 10 mins apart |
| 18:17.44 | noidd | he flashed the exact same OZ3.2 image as I did - from the exact same CF card, 10 mins apart |
| 18:17.49 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:17.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18.00 | noidd | so i'm thinking it might be hardware |
| 18:18.11 | kergoth | you ever get anywehre with gtk? |
| 18:18.11 | noidd | or - his configuration is *evil* |
| 18:18.26 | noidd | no, I worked on net-snmp last night instead |
| 18:18.32 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 18:18.32 | noidd | did you notice the new package? |
| 18:18.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:18.36 | StarKruzr | Assuming locally installed package libqt2-emb (2.3.4-7) is up to date. |
| 18:18.37 | StarKruzr | Assuming locally installed package libqt2-emb (2.3.4-6) is up to date. |
| 18:18.42 | StarKruzr | why did ipkg do that? |
| 18:18.49 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.53 | StarKruzr | ipkg-upgrade, I should say |
| 18:18.53 | kergoth | because its broken |
| 18:18.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18.59 | StarKruzr | ... cool |
| 18:19.25 | kergoth | its funny.. if someoen has a problem, you can answer 'ipkg is broken', and you have a pretty good chance that that was the actual problme |
| 18:19.29 | kergoth | pretty sad |
| 18:19.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19.44 | noidd | yeah, maybe we should move to rpm :-D |
| 18:20.01 | StarKruzr | I installed 3.2 about two weeks ago... from all the chatter in here, I would think that more packages would be updated than, according to this, ipkg |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:20.15 | treke | stable is stable |
| 18:20.23 | treke | it doesnt get updated often |
| 18:20.24 | kergoth | unstable/testing gets new features |
| 18:20.33 | StarKruzr | unstable is still 3.1-rcwhatever? |
| 18:20.37 | kergoth | uhh |
| 18:20.39 | kergoth | unstable is unstable. |
| 18:20.40 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:20.43 | kergoth | it has no version |
| 18:20.44 | kergoth | and never will |
| 18:20.56 | kergoth | i think you're thinking about 'testing' |
| 18:21.02 | StarKruzr | probably. |
| 18:21.07 | kergoth | whose feed technically points to unstable right now |
| 18:21.16 | kergoth | despite the fact that our site shows it as the current version |
| 18:21.26 | kergoth | thats a limitation in the 'release' and changelog system on the site |
| 18:21.31 | StarKruzr | ... so you see why I might be a mite confused. |
| 18:21.41 | kergoth | i dont see how you'd mix up testing and unstable. |
| 18:21.46 | noidd | haha |
| 18:21.48 | kergoth | usntable is unstable. |
| 18:21.52 | kergoth | testing is testing. |
| 18:21.57 | kergoth | testing may or may not have a version |
| 18:22.03 | kergoth | stable does have a version |
| 18:22.12 | kergoth | unstable never has a version |
| 18:22.21 | kergoth | okay i'm bored now |
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| 18:22.29 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
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| 18:23.02 | chouimat | kergoth: hey |
| 18:23.06 | chouimat | *yawms |
| 18:23.35 | kergoth | *curses |
| 18:24.20 | chouimat | kergoth: again? |
| 18:24.23 | kergoth | because you enabled bring up at bot. |
| 18:24.24 | kergoth | boot |
| 18:24.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:24.31 | kergoth | surprisingly enough |
| 18:24.37 | kergoth | hotplug and pcmcia devices are brought up automatically |
| 18:24.48 | kergoth | enabling bring up at boot causes them to try to be brought up by the bootup network script |
| 18:24.53 | StarKruzr | so enabling the option in networksettings turns them off |
| 18:24.56 | StarKruzr | ahahahahahha |
| 18:24.57 | kergoth | no |
| 18:25.12 | kergoth | enabling it for hotplug and pcmcia interfaces causes it to try to be brought up at boot |
| 18:25.19 | kergoth | before pcmcia and hotplug are ready |
| 18:25.24 | StarKruzr | okay |
| 18:25.28 | kergoth | which makes it look likt eh interface is already up when pcmcia nad hotplug try |
| 18:25.31 | kergoth | so they dont bother |
| 18:25.34 | kergoth | and it stays hosed |
| 18:25.46 | kergoth | dont enable that checkbox for hotplug or pcmcia interfaces |
| 18:25.55 | kergoth | we need a way to make that clear in networksettings |
| 18:25.57 | kergoth | any ideas? |
| 18:26.11 | StarKruzr | sure. Context-sensitive help? |
| 18:26.28 | kergoth | well, we have whatsthis |
| 18:26.34 | StarKruzr | right |
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| 18:26.35 | kergoth | but that requires the user to tap on the ? first |
| 18:26.41 | StarKruzr | true |
| 18:26.41 | kergoth | we need it even more obvious than that |
| 18:26.48 | kergoth | somehow |
| 18:26.50 | chouimat | kergoth: a disclaimer telling that your zaurus will deep fry your balls and steal your gf if that option is enabled |
| 18:27.05 | StarKruzr | chouimat: is that why it did that? |
| 18:27.10 | kergoth | 'bringup on boot for internal or pci/isa devices' or something? |
| 18:27.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:27.15 | bipolar | kergoth: why would anyone ever need a device brought up at boot time? How about just call it "Activate at boot" |
| 18:27.16 | StarKruzr | that should be in the FAQ, dammit |
| 18:27.23 | kergoth | bipolar: ? |
| 18:27.27 | kergoth | bipolar: 'lo' needs to come up on boot |
| 18:27.36 | StarKruzr | here's the really wacky thing |
| 18:27.41 | kergoth | bipolar: if we run opie on a device with isa or pci cards, you'd want them brought up on boot |
| 18:27.45 | bipolar | kergoth: akk... should that even be touched? |
| 18:27.46 | kergoth | bipolar: pcmcia and hotplug are special cases |
| 18:27.53 | StarKruzr | I rebooted with shutdown -r now while the Z was in the cradle, and the interface is working perfectly |
| 18:27.54 | bipolar | kergoth: ahhh... I see.. |
| 18:28.07 | bipolar | kergoth: you're looking at other devices too. |
| 18:28.07 | kergoth | bipolar: it tries to bring them up, fails, then hotplug and pcmcia think its already up |
| 18:28.10 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:28.13 | kergoth | opie isnt Z or ipaq specific |
| 18:28.15 | kergoth | nor is OE |
| 18:28.26 | noidd | opie-wireless is in the feed right |
| 18:28.27 | StarKruzr | and I'd already enabled it manually before with ifconfig usbd0 up xxx.etc |
| 18:28.32 | noidd | in buildroot i mean |
| 18:28.38 | kergoth | StarKruzr: of course. |
| 18:28.42 | bipolar | Just rename it "activate at boot" then. Thats clear enough. |
| 18:28.44 | kergoth | StarKruzr: that makes absolutely perfect sense |
| 18:28.57 | kergoth | it activates it at boot, and _succeeds_ this time because you are on usb |
| 18:29.02 | kergoth | last time it didnt, because you werent. |
| 18:29.08 | StarKruzr | right, ok |
| 18:29.09 | kergoth | which interfered with hotplug bringing it up |
| 18:29.17 | kergoth | when you plugged it in |
| 18:29.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:29.35 | kergoth | the real issue is, ifup usbd0 needs to _fail_ when you arent on usbd0, and not fuck up ifstate |
| 18:29.38 | kergoth | so that it doesnt interfere |
| 18:29.50 | kergoth | same for pcmcia |
| 18:29.54 | kergoth | this is a ifupdown bug |
| 18:29.58 | kergoth | not a networksettigns bug |
| 18:30.06 | StarKruzr | I see |
| 18:30.17 | chouimat | bbl i really need to get some sleep |
| 18:30.36 | kergoth | bipolar: but they'll think they need that to make pcmcia and hotplug devices work on boot |
| 18:30.40 | kergoth | bipolar: which isnt the case |
| 18:30.53 | kergoth | bipolar: its clear, but doesnt make it clear that it interferes with things that bring it up automatically on their own |
| 18:31.22 | kergoth | StarKruzr: can you do me a favor? |
| 18:31.27 | kergoth | to isolate this |
| 18:31.38 | bipolar | kergoth: then we need a way to tell the diffrence between removable and perm devices. |
| 18:31.41 | StarKruzr | certainly, sir |
| 18:31.44 | kergoth | bipolar: theres no way. |
| 18:31.55 | kergoth | bipolar: all interfaces knows is that its an interface called usbd0 |
| 18:32.01 | kergoth | bipolar: it doenst know _what_ creates that device |
| 18:32.03 | kergoth | only that it exists |
| 18:32.15 | kergoth | StarKruzr: remove the z from the cradle |
| 18:32.20 | kergoth | StarKruzr: ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth | StarKruzr: then cat /etc/network/ifstate for me |
| 18:32.34 | bipolar | kergoth: then we need to count on the intelegence of the device, or have hotplug ifdown the device and then ifup it when it gets activated. |
| 18:33.15 | kergoth | neither |
| 18:33.23 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 18:33.27 | StarKruzr | lemme grab this stuff first |
| 18:33.35 | kergoth | we need calling ifup usbd0 on boot when not on usb to not fuck up hotplug calling ifup usbd0 when it will actually work |
| 18:33.38 | kergoth | same for pcmcia |
| 18:33.44 | kergoth | the problem isnt that its trying to bring it up |
| 18:33.51 | kergoth | but that doing so interferes with bringing it up later |
| 18:34.22 | kergoth | StarKruzr: its an ipkg bug |
| 18:34.27 | kergoth | ipkg info doesnt return description |
| 18:34.28 | kergoth | iric |
| 18:34.30 | kergoth | iirc rather |
| 18:34.41 | kergoth | run ipkg info busybox |
| 18:34.44 | kergoth | does it show description? |
| 18:36.54 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 18:37.09 | StarKruzr | why can it not find opie-wellenreiter or opie-wellenreiter-help? |
| 18:37.21 | StarKruzr | (this is on the unstable feed) |
| 18:37.59 | bipolar | kergoth: flac has been updated upstream |
| 18:39.27 | StarKruzr | ok, stable feed too |
| 18:40.01 | kergoth | StarKruzr: read the mailing list archives |
| 18:40.03 | kergoth | from yesterday |
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| 18:41.43 | StarKruzr | kergoth: lo=lo; usbd0=usbd0 |
| 18:41.56 | StarKruzr | (results from what you asked me about before) |
| 18:42.00 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:42.07 | kergoth | ifstate thinks the interface came up |
| 18:42.12 | kergoth | but, okay do this |
| 18:42.14 | kergoth | ifconfig usbd0 |
| 18:42.22 | StarKruzr | just did |
| 18:42.25 | StarKruzr | it's there |
| 18:42.25 | kergoth | and |
| 18:42.27 | kergoth | err |
| 18:42.30 | kergoth | you're not on the cradle? |
| 18:42.34 | StarKruzr | has its IP & everything |
| 18:42.36 | StarKruzr | I am not |
| 18:42.40 | kergoth | what the .. |
| 18:42.53 | StarKruzr | UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 |
| 18:42.53 | kergoth | that interface isnt supposed to exist |
| 18:42.55 | StarKruzr | etc |
| 18:42.59 | kergoth | okay |
| 18:43.04 | kergoth | my conclusion is |
| 18:43.06 | kergoth | usbd blows. |
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| 18:43.09 | StarKruzr | hehehe |
| 18:43.19 | kergoth | theres a better solution now |
| 18:43.22 | StarKruzr | I've always been able to do that, btw |
| 18:43.22 | kergoth | than usbd |
| 18:43.34 | StarKruzr | make usbd0 show up when I wasn't connected |
| 18:43.37 | kergoth | but, 'someone' needs to add sa11x0 and pxa udc support to it |
| 18:43.41 | kergoth | probably me |
| 18:43.46 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 18:43.48 | StarKruzr | what is it? |
| 18:44.04 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/tmp/game3.avi |
| 18:44.04 | kergoth | new driver stack for usb 'gadgets' |
| 18:44.14 | kergoth | taht is, devices with usb device controllers, not host controllers |
| 18:44.16 | kergoth | like the Z and ipaq |
| 18:44.22 | kergoth | and it sucks quite a bit less than usbd |
| 18:44.24 | StarKruzr | the one on familiar was called something else |
| 18:44.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:44.30 | kergoth | familiar uses one, we use another |
| 18:44.32 | StarKruzr | something with an f in it |
| 18:44.37 | kergoth | this one i'm talking about is better than either of those |
| 18:44.38 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:44.44 | kergoth | usbf is the interfcae for ipaq |
| 18:44.47 | StarKruzr | are you speaking of that? Ah, no you're not |
| 18:45.06 | kergoth | the ipaq one sucks too |
| 18:45.09 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 18:45.09 | kergoth | just in different way |
| 18:45.11 | kergoth | s |
| 18:45.11 | Neo|Work | that movie is sped up a bit but actually keeps pretty much consistent fps |
| 18:45.13 | StarKruzr | it wasn't so bad |
| 18:45.16 | StarKruzr | worked most of the time |
| 18:45.21 | Neo|Work | it's encoded at 35 fps while it's saved to disk at 25 |
| 18:45.23 | StarKruzr | I plugged it in, the Bahia driver found it |
| 18:45.40 | kergoth | hm, i wonder if hte Z or bahia drivers will support this new stack |
| 18:45.46 | kergoth | they should, as long as the vendor and product get set right |
| 18:45.51 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:46.00 | kergoth | well i'll deal with that when the time comes |
| 18:46.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:46.20 | StarKruzr | s/deal with that when the time comes/burn that bridge when I come to it/ |
| 18:46.25 | bipolar | hmm... could just switch to usbnet if the support is there.... |
| 18:46.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:46.32 | kergoth | bipolar: usbnet is a desktop side driver |
| 18:46.43 | kergoth | bipolar: and usbnet in 2.4.21-pre7 supports both usbd and usb-ether device side drivers |
| 18:46.51 | StarKruzr | it's a pity the client hw is different from the host adapter hardware |
| 18:46.52 | bipolar | kergoth: what does the ipaq use? |
| 18:46.53 | kergoth | we can use the ipaq driver yes, but it sucks |
| 18:46.56 | kergoth | usb-ether |
| 18:47.04 | bipolar | oh... it sucks too? |
| 18:47.06 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:47.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:47.09 | StarKruzr | would be nice to have USB device support on the Z |
| 18:47.14 | bipolar | damn... which sucks less? |
| 18:47.15 | kergoth | StarKruzr: ? |
| 18:47.20 | kergoth | the Z is a usb device |
| 18:47.26 | kergoth | bipolar: we arent sure yet |
| 18:47.30 | bipolar | StarKruzr: Not possible. Hardware limitation. |
| 18:47.39 | StarKruzr | kergoth: i.e. be able to hook USB devices to the Z through the "Sharp IO porT" |
| 18:47.44 | StarKruzr | bip:I know |
| 18:47.50 | kergoth | Z woudl need a usb host controller |
| 18:47.56 | StarKruzr | gah |
| 18:48.01 | StarKruzr | ~lart XiRCON |
| 18:48.29 | StarKruzr | supposedly there is a CF USB host controller available |
| 18:48.34 | StarKruzr | no Linux drivers yet though |
| 18:48.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48.47 | kergoth | thatll kill your battery so damn fast :) |
| 18:48.53 | StarKruzr | m'goodness that would own |
| 18:48.54 | StarKruzr | yep |
| 18:49.03 | StarKruzr | 950mAh. What were they thinking? |
| 18:49.09 | kergoth | bipolar: whats the new flac version? |
| 18:49.21 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 18:49.27 | kergoth | util-linx doesnt compile for me anymore |
| 18:49.32 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:49.44 | kergoth | rmd160.c:962: conflicting types for `rmd160_write' |
| 18:49.45 | kergoth | rmd160.c:430: previous declaration of `rmd160_write' |
| 18:49.55 | StarKruzr | ahahaha |
| 18:50.06 | kergoth | err wtf |
| 18:50.08 | StarKruzr | kergoth, the interface disappeared again when I plugged the Z back in |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | this c file duplicates itself |
| 18:50.13 | kergoth | StarKruzr: aha |
| 18:50.18 | kergoth | okay, yeah, usbd blows |
| 18:50.22 | StarKruzr | so now I have to bring it up again manually |
| 18:50.25 | kergoth | StarKruzr: ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 18:50.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:50.32 | kergoth | thats the infamous timing bug |
| 18:50.35 | kergoth | with hotplug |
| 18:50.46 | kergoth | it inadvertantly calls insert, eject instead of vice versa |
| 18:50.52 | kergoth | so ifup usbd0; ifdown usbd0 |
| 18:50.52 | StarKruzr | ifdown: interface usbd0 not configured |
| 18:50.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:50.57 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 18:51.02 | kergoth | should still come up |
| 18:51.10 | StarKruzr | yep |
| 18:51.12 | StarKruzr | that did it |
| 18:51.24 | StarKruzr | ... this will be so much easier than ifconfig etc. etc. etc. all the time |
| 18:51.36 | StarKruzr | route add default gw etc |
| 18:51.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:51.51 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.07 | kergoth | its reason enough to use debian instead of redhat based distros |
| 18:52.07 | kergoth | :D |
| 18:52.21 | StarKruzr | if only there were more of them |
| 18:52.36 | kergoth | more of? |
| 18:52.43 | StarKruzr | Debian-based distros |
| 18:52.56 | kergoth | well, debian doesnt need clones |
| 18:53.01 | kergoth | it needs an installer thats easy to use |
| 18:53.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:53.05 | StarKruzr | right |
| 18:53.16 | kergoth | then it'd be a bit more popular amongst non-geeks |
| 18:53.25 | kergoth | hey just had to clean util-linux, then built fine |
| 18:53.25 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:53.29 | StarKruzr | that seems to be really, really hard, or just not a priority, for the current Debian benevolent despots |
| 18:53.50 | StarKruzr | although there is the initiative to make PGI work |
| 18:53.55 | StarKruzr | that'll be cool |
| 18:53.57 | kergoth | debian's devels are too political, often |
| 18:54.02 | kergoth | imho |
| 18:54.57 | StarKruzr | political issues are barring the creation of a good installer and hardware-detection system? |
| 18:55.33 | kergoth | no, independent issue |
| 18:55.43 | kergoth | the politics tend to alienate or intimidate some users |
| 18:56.27 | StarKruzr | mmh |
| 18:56.39 | StarKruzr | as a user I never noticed being exposed to it |
| 18:57.06 | kergoth | any user that seeks help from debian devels can be exposed ot it :) |
| 18:57.29 | StarKruzr | ah |
| 18:57.38 | StarKruzr | see, I just hung out on OpenProjects |
| 18:57.47 | StarKruzr | got assistance there |
| 19:00.59 | StarKruzr | incidentally |
| 19:01.12 | StarKruzr | out of curiosity, how does OZ do mounting of media so easily? |
| 19:01.40 | StarKruzr | whereas on a desktop system, if I want to mount a floppy if I don't have supermount I have to mount -t device mountpt et |
| 19:01.41 | StarKruzr | c |
| 19:02.14 | kergoth | sdmmc is automounted by the sharp sdmgr daemon |
| 19:02.23 | kergoth | pcmcia ide devices can be automounted on laptops as well |
| 19:02.27 | kergoth | cf basically is pcmcia |
| 19:02.44 | StarKruzr | right, with less pins |
| 19:02.53 | kergoth | well, its not cardbus. just plain old pcmcia |
| 19:02.57 | kergoth | differnet forfactor |
| 19:02.58 | kergoth | form |
| 19:02.59 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:03.18 | StarKruzr | ah, so cardbus is what uses the "extra" pcmcia pins |
| 19:03.28 | kergoth | afaik |
| 19:06.48 | StarKruzr | hey, does anyone know if someone's trying to port Kinkatta? |
| 19:07.35 | bipolar | kinkatta needs qt3. I'm not sure if anyone is trying to backport it or not. It would be quite a job. |
| 19:07.39 | StarKruzr | I need an AIM client for my Z |
| 19:07.42 | StarKruzr | ah |
| 19:07.55 | StarKruzr | ... isn't there a curses/ncurses AIM client too? |
| 19:08.17 | DrZaius | there's a jabber client listed on zauruszone |
| 19:08.31 | DrZaius | oughta work fine with the aim transport |
| 19:08.33 | StarKruzr | iirc the jabber client discos you every minute |
| 19:08.35 | StarKruzr | from AIM |
| 19:08.35 | kergoth | StarKruzr: centericq |
| 19:08.36 | bipolar | I think that a gcc3 and qte3 based openembedded would be the shit... :) |
| 19:08.39 | kergoth | centericq rocks |
| 19:08.49 | StarKruzr | and what works with ICQ works with AIM |
| 19:09.13 | kergoth | centericq is a great terminal ncurses client |
| 19:09.37 | StarKruzr | 't'ain't in there though |
| 19:09.38 | StarKruzr | hrm |
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| 19:10.29 | kergoth | not in our feeds yet |
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| 19:11.31 | agupta | hi |
| 19:11.34 | agupta | kergoth: wassup |
| 19:11.34 | StarKruzr | to your knowledge has it been ported to arm? |
| 19:15.25 | StarKruzr | O_o |
| 19:15.46 | kergoth | StarKruzr: no port neessary |
| 19:15.50 | kergoth | just a crosscompile |
| 19:15.53 | kergoth | i don tknow if anyone has or not |
| 19:17.00 | StarKruzr | I'll let you know if it works |
| 19:20.03 | bipolar | kergoth: Sorry for the delay.... flac w |
| 19:20.09 | bipolar | kergoth: Sorry for the delay.... flac went to 1.1.0 |
| 19:20.17 | kergoth | np |
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| 19:34.34 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: ping |
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| 19:57.01 | noidd | why do I get the feeling i'm going to regret this :-D |
| 19:57.02 | kergoth | woo |
| 19:57.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:58.50 | bipolar | kergoth: would it make sense to use '3.3-cvs' as the OpenZaurus version string or would that be wrong? |
| 19:59.12 | bipolar | 3.3-snapshot, perhaps |
| 19:59.37 | kergoth | oh, for oz-base? we should probably make the oz-base package version control /etc/oz_version |
| 19:59.43 | kergoth | thatd be cleaner than using the config system |
| 19:59.54 | kergoth | it should be 3.3.1, due to the new versioning scheme |
| 20:00.00 | kergoth | i need to write up some docs on this stuff |
| 20:01.21 | bipolar | ok... 3.3.1 it is |
| 20:01.33 | kergoth | bipolar: i'm going even/odd, kernel style versioning |
| 20:01.42 | bipolar | ahh |
| 20:01.57 | kergoth | makes it more clear |
| 20:02.07 | kergoth | and i dont have to worry about 3.3-pre being > 3.3 according to ipkg |
| 20:02.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:04.53 | noidd | not only cleaner than using the packageing system but its damn hard to break "cat /etc/oz_version" |
| 20:05.05 | noidd | compared to the dubious code that is ipkg and aqpkg |
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| 20:07.18 | noidd | i'll be afk a while I reckon |
| 20:07.21 | noidd | brb 10 years |
| 20:10.14 | SuKoSh| | kergoth: Error: no /home/sukoshi/buildroot/build/linux/.paches/comples.files |
| 20:10.38 | SuKoSh| | .patches/compile.files |
| 20:13.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm.... i have a lock in opie/pics/wellenreiter, but can't find it... |
| 20:13.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: stale lock? |
| 20:13.51 | kergoth | cvs sukcs. |
| 20:13.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: yep, stale |
| 20:14.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: looked for it on the handhelds.org in cvs/opie/pics/wellenreiter, but it's not there... where should i look for it? |
| 20:14.26 | kergoth | you recall how to fix a cvs stale lock? |
| 20:14.27 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:14.31 | mickeyl | never did this |
| 20:14.32 | masticator | blargh |
| 20:14.33 | kergoth | n/m, neither of us know |
| 20:14.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.38 | mickeyl | d'oh |
| 20:14.41 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 20:14.48 | masticator | kergoth: you able to build that toolchain on the monster box? |
| 20:15.04 | kergoth | masticator: nah, binutils hated me and havent had a chance to try it in the past couple days |
| 20:15.08 | kergoth | busy as hell |
| 20:15.12 | masticator | sure |
| 20:15.24 | masticator | I just want someone to put that thing to some use! |
| 20:15.26 | noidd | I wish it was possible to plonk an X server into a QT widget |
| 20:15.30 | noidd | kinda like xnest |
| 20:16.00 | masticator | its a lot of freakin horsepower sitting idle... even with me X hosting from it, its still mostly unused |
| 20:16.00 | ljp | hot too hot... |
| 20:17.05 | masticator | ljp: wanna shell account on a rediculously powerful box? |
| 20:17.20 | icefox | Anyone have a hour to burn? I need a ip widget |
| 20:17.37 | icefox | passed in ipv4 or ipv6 and generate it |
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| 20:18.30 | ljp | ummm. ok |
| 20:18.38 | ljp | what can I do on it?! |
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| 20:19.13 | ljp | icefox: I charge $125 hr |
| 20:19.26 | icefox | :) |
| 20:19.53 | noidd | masticator: wy dont you set up your own buildroot on it? |
| 20:20.17 | ljp | its too damn hot today |
| 20:20.22 | noidd | ibot, tell masticator about oz buildroot |
| 20:20.32 | kergoth | noidd: i already put one on there |
| 20:20.39 | kergoth | noidd: treid to use it to build a toolchain in fact |
| 20:20.39 | noidd | ah, hehe |
| 20:20.41 | kergoth | but that failed |
| 20:20.46 | noidd | ouch :-/ |
| 20:20.51 | kergoth | so i was teaching buildroot to work on it right |
| 20:20.58 | kergoth | but got distracted by other stuff |
| 20:21.02 | noidd | that because of the machine? or because it fails everywhere? :-) |
| 20:21.12 | masticator | noid: we need kergoth to fix the toolchain on it. |
| 20:21.17 | ljp | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 20:21.18 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 21 C (71 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 96.56 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.09 1946 UTC). |
| 20:21.32 | kergoth | noidd: something machine specific |
| 20:21.37 | masticator | the architecture of the machine is, shall we say, unusual. |
| 20:21.56 | ljp | masticator: ya, set me up |
| 20:22.05 | masticator | ok, give me a min. |
| 20:22.23 | ljp | 71 is too hot |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:22.47 | noidd | what is its arch? |
| 20:22.52 | noidd | you got me curious now |
| 20:25.47 | masticator | noidd: got anything cool you wanna compile on it? |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: killed the stale lock. god i love google. |
| 20:29.03 | ljp | lots o memory there |
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| 20:29.16 | kergoth | ljp: thats an understatement :) |
| 20:29.39 | ljp | hehe |
| 20:29.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hey kergoth |
| 20:29.55 | TheMasterMind1 | wassup |
| 20:29.56 | ljp | thats fuckin insane |
| 20:30.37 | kergoth | ljp: i want one |
| 20:30.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:30.40 | kergoth | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:30.44 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 20:30.55 | kergoth | nada |
| 20:30.58 | ljp | hmm, back to work.. bbl |
| 20:31.06 | ljp | thx masticator! |
| 20:32.26 | masticator | ljp: and imagine, it fits in a 1U box. |
| 20:32.32 | masticator | makes almost no sound or heat at all. |
| 20:32.37 | masticator | quiet as a pussy cat. |
| 20:32.48 | masticator | and it can take up to 16GB RAM total. |
| 20:33.03 | masticator | I think Intel is in deep shit. |
| 20:33.22 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 20:33.40 | masticator | I think the thing needs a more optimized compiler, but that will come |
| 20:33.45 | masticator | it sure beats the Itanic. |
| 20:34.24 | masticator | I think your average IT shop would have to be insane to prefer Xeons over this thing. |
| 20:34.25 | icefox | http://www.linuxbase.org/modules.php?name=Surveys&op=results&pollID=2 |
| 20:35.37 | masticator | ljp: play with it to your hearts content, I need as much feedback as possible |
| 20:36.12 | kergoth | masticator: he logged off |
| 20:36.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:36.26 | masticator | maybe the machine ate him |
| 20:36.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 20:36.45 | masticator | tmm: you wanna play? |
| 20:36.50 | TheMasterMind1 | play what |
| 20:37.17 | masticator | do you want a shell account on my new box. |
| 20:37.22 | masticator | to help out with kergoth and whatnot. |
| 20:37.47 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:37.56 | TheMasterMind1 | is it a good box? |
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| 20:38.20 | masticator | thats what I need you to determine. |
| 20:38.21 | treke | uhm, yes it's a good box |
| 20:38.25 | TheMasterMind1 | what specs? |
| 20:38.38 | masticator | I cant tell you on the channel. |
| 20:38.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, why not? |
| 20:38.56 | masticator | well, because we dont want to cause a panic. |
| 20:38.57 | masticator | lol |
| 20:39.02 | TheMasterMind1 | lol ok |
| 20:39.04 | TheMasterMind1 | pm me then |
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| 20:40.59 | SuKoShi | kergoth: does the buildroot miss compile.patch? |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | SuKoShi: ? |
| 20:41.08 | kergoth | no |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | maybe you need to bk -r co -q |
| 20:41.48 | SuKoShi | k |
| 20:41.58 | SuKoShi | i'll pull once again too |
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| 20:44.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you setting up a buildroot/xcompiler etc on masticator's box? |
| 20:45.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 20:45.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: tried building one, but it failed and i didnt have time to fix it |
| 20:46.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the buildroot in my homedir is a start. grab it and bk pull and give a toolchain build a shot |
| 20:48.14 | SuKoShi | kergoth: still doesn't work ? |
| 20:50.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:51.03 | kergoth | what kernel are you trying to build? |
| 20:51.14 | SuKoShi | c700 |
| 20:51.45 | kergoth | bk edit packages/kernel-c700 |
| 20:51.51 | kergoth | do you see it checking out compile.patch? |
| 20:52.23 | SuKoShi | 1,2 - 1,3 |
| 20:52.33 | kergoth | okay |
| 20:52.43 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 sourcetrees; |
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| 20:55.33 | SuKoShi | still the same |
| 20:55.43 | kergoth | works just flawlessly here. |
| 20:55.47 | kergoth | log the build. |
| 20:56.07 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 sourcetrees 2>&1 | tee log; |
| 20:56.11 | kergoth | then email me log |
| 20:56.22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, devnullcomics.com |
| 21:00.18 | thMachine | after i do a make image, how do i make the Initrd? |
| 21:00.30 | kergoth | uhh |
| 21:00.30 | SuKoShi | kergoth: emailed |
| 21:00.33 | kergoth | make image is what creates an initrd |
| 21:00.37 | kergoth | output/images/initrd.bin |
| 21:00.49 | thMachine | oh, ok, didn't see the images dir |
| 21:01.40 | kenb | ibot: sd mcc |
| 21:01.41 | | kenb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:01.44 | kenb | ibot: sd mmc database |
| 21:01.45 | | kenb: wish i knew |
| 21:02.01 | kergoth | hey ken |
| 21:02.20 | kenb | hi kergoth |
| 21:02.25 | kenb | ibot: sd mmc |
| 21:02.25 | | kenb: i don't know |
| 21:02.30 | kenb | ibot: mmc |
| 21:02.31 | | rumour has it, mmc is MultiMediaCard mentioned at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibilityStorage or at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card, or http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php |
| 21:03.26 | kenb | that last link is what I wanted, perfect. |
| 21:05.55 | kergoth | bipolar: |
| 21:06.02 | kergoth | bipolar: ben broke the networksettings compile again |
| 21:06.07 | kergoth | bipolar: are we having fun yet? |
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| 21:20.10 | lsmith | oh .. any huge known issues with unstable? |
| 21:20.27 | treke | ipkg is theoretically broken |
| 21:20.27 | noidd | ibot, etux? |
| 21:20.28 | | rumour has it, etux is at etux.sf.net |
| 21:20.54 | lsmith | treke: ah i think i am experience problems with ipkg then :-=) |
| 21:21.50 | lsmith | treke: i assume i will manually need to fix this ... once a fix is released |
| 21:22.14 | noidd | The answer to all bug reporst, past, present and future is "ipkg is broken" |
| 21:22.22 | noidd | and 95% of the time, it will be correct |
| 21:23.29 | lsmith | well some bugs are more problematic then others |
| 21:23.39 | lsmith | this one is definately new for me :-) |
| 21:29.49 | djr | is ipkg fixed yet? |
| 21:29.49 | djr | hehe |
| 21:29.52 | djr | er |
| 21:29.52 | djr | no |
| 21:30.14 | djr | well anyway |
| 21:30.26 | djr | what if i downloaded the pkgs to my Z... and tried to upgrade like that? |
| 21:31.35 | kergoth | that may work better |
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| 21:38.40 | djr | mmm, wget is your friend |
| 21:42.36 | kergoth | indeed |
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| 21:50.07 | TheMasterMind1 | does avi freedman hang out here? |
| 21:53.54 | _Psycho | heya whats up ? |
| 21:54.05 | kergoth | hey _Psycho |
| 21:54.12 | kergoth | testing a c700+opie image now |
| 21:54.16 | _Psycho | oh nice |
| 21:54.21 | _Psycho | 23 changesets ;) |
| 21:54.42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: finally we set Installed-Size on all our packages now |
| 21:56.31 | _Psycho | recompiling the oz-base i get a lots of file format not recognized from arm-linux-strip |
| 21:56.33 | _Psycho | thats normal ? |
| 21:56.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:56.42 | kergoth | harmless |
| 21:56.51 | kergoth | i'll 2>/dev/null the strip calls later |
| 21:56.52 | _Psycho | ok |
| 21:56.56 | kergoth | just to shut it up |
| 21:57.22 | mickeyl | hey - pavel made us a spectrum_cs.c based on orinoco-0.13d . said "experimental"... will try if I have time |
| 21:57.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: cool! |
| 21:57.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: wonder if it'll play nice with our monitor mode and scanning patches |
| 21:58.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: i believe so - snax also just released his patch for 0.13 (albeit 013b, but it applies to d also :-D ... we're getting there |
| 21:59.05 | kergoth | coool |
| 21:59.17 | kergoth | so all we'd be missing is making sure those play well with the WE16 patches, and testing. |
| 21:59.28 | mickeyl | yep |
| 21:59.29 | kergoth | and of coruse the we16 stuff doesnt benefit us until 2.4.19 anyway.. |
| 21:59.58 | mickeyl | yeah... 2.4.19... any idea how far it is away currently? |
| 22:00.07 | mickeyl | rough guesses appreciated :-D |
| 22:00.31 | kergoth | hard to judge |
| 22:00.34 | kergoth | two outstanding issues |
| 22:00.39 | kergoth | major ones that is |
| 22:00.50 | mickeyl | which are SD and ? |
| 22:00.52 | kergoth | one is the fluttery ts values, that even jitter correction cant fix |
| 22:00.54 | kergoth | and the sd wrapper |
| 22:01.00 | mickeyl | ah still the ts... damn |
| 22:01.13 | mickeyl | i thought we had it with the built-in correction table? |
| 22:01.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: may, still need to test my latest attempt to fix it |
| 22:01.43 | kergoth | but the fact is, the _raw_ values read from the ts plates are off as well |
| 22:01.58 | masticator | kergoth: 5600! |
| 22:02.02 | kergoth | could be simply we need a udelay() somewhere to wait for the plates to settle |
| 22:02.11 | kergoth | masticator: building a c700 image now, i'll build you a 5600 image today as well |
| 22:02.18 | masticator | yipee |
| 22:02.19 | kergoth | well, testing the image actually. waiting for it to scp |
| 22:02.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: hah... udelay... |
| 22:02.26 | mickeyl | but if it works :D |
| 22:02.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: silly i know, but you need to wait for the plates to settle after making changes |
| 22:02.41 | kergoth | mickeyl: could be sufficient |
| 22:02.42 | _Psycho | kergoth told me he was putting me a image up 2 months ago ;) |
| 22:02.49 | kergoth | _Psycho: shh |
| 22:02.52 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 22:02.54 | kergoth | i did, it was console only |
| 22:02.55 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:02.56 | mickeyl | kergoth: k, we'll see... anyhow I'm crossing fingers. |
| 22:03.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: k, thanks |
| 22:03.50 | _Psycho | hmm hmmm hmm pad not found ? and i got a coupl esof mkfs.jffs2: skipping device_table entre '/dev/hda': no parent directory |
| 22:03.54 | _Psycho | thats normal =p ? |
| 22:04.57 | kergoth | _Psycho: bleh, mkdir output/rootfs/dev; make image |
| 22:05.06 | kergoth | _Psycho: stupid bug, already fixed in my tree, not yet pushed |
| 22:05.21 | _Psycho | ok figured it was a dir or something |
| 22:05.27 | _Psycho | im getting better everyday ! |
| 22:05.33 | _Psycho | and its wednesday ;) |
| 22:05.37 | _Psycho | i have to remove pad ? |
| 22:05.40 | _Psycho | from the menuconfig ? |
| 22:05.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:05.48 | kergoth | leave pad to 0 in menuconfig |
| 22:05.52 | kergoth | just use corgi-opie_image for gods sake |
| 22:05.53 | _Psycho | he told me like pad no found hmm ok sec |
| 22:05.56 | kergoth | it is known to work |
| 22:06.09 | _Psycho | well it was last night |
| 22:06.10 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:06.36 | kergoth | oh, thats another bug thats fixed in my tree |
| 22:06.42 | kergoth | hold on, i'll just push this damn changeset |
| 22:06.55 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 22:07.04 | _Psycho | yeah i saw that no more pad into scripts just the .c |
| 22:10.28 | kergoth | _Psycho: bk pull |
| 22:10.54 | George- | kergoth: how does the boot system in OZ work? |
| 22:11.08 | _Psycho | do i have to mrproper mkipgs ? |
| 22:11.10 | kergoth | boot system? |
| 22:11.13 | kergoth | _Psycho: nope |
| 22:11.16 | kergoth | _Psycho: just make image |
| 22:11.18 | _Psycho | ok |
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| 22:11.47 | _Psycho | worked |
| 22:11.48 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 22:11.50 | kergoth | np |
| 22:12.01 | kergoth | if you clean oz-base and rebuild its ipk, it'll fix that missing /dev error as well |
| 22:12.04 | _Psycho | gonna try this image |
| 22:12.28 | _Psycho | yeah ok well i redo later but i just did the dir anyway |
| 22:12.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:13.52 | George- | kergoth: yah, the boot system? |
| 22:14.01 | George- | kergoth: what's the default runlevel? |
| 22:14.23 | kergoth | 2 |
| 22:14.29 | kergoth | theres no such thing as as 'boot system' |
| 22:14.44 | George- | kergoth: bah |
| 22:14.48 | George- | kergoth: you evil person :) |
| 22:14.57 | kergoth | _Psycho: just built one and flashed it |
| 22:15.13 | _Psycho | flashing mine atm |
| 22:15.16 | kergoth | _Psycho: opie works, but theres something wrong with the TS values, taps on the far right are off.. working on it.. i think i know the source of hte bug |
| 22:15.20 | _Psycho | a mix of the corgi_opie + mine |
| 22:16.09 | _Psycho | and if your know the source, its all good =p |
| 22:16.10 | George- | kergoth: what's rcS.d? |
| 22:16.24 | kergoth | George-: this is general linux stuff, nothing Z specific |
| 22:16.29 | kergoth | George-: read the fucking google |
| 22:16.30 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:16.40 | _Psycho | system v, created by SCO george ! |
| 22:16.40 | George- | kergoth: whoa |
| 22:16.56 | _Psycho | well copywrited at least |
| 22:17.05 | kergoth | yep |
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| 22:17.30 | lsmith | uhm .. so if i installed the screwed up ipkg from unstable how do i get this fixed? |
| 22:17.36 | lsmith | is manually fixing realistic? |
| 22:17.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:17.42 | kergoth | 'manually'? |
| 22:17.43 | kergoth | its broken. |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | read the fucking code, good luck finding the fix. |
| 22:17.52 | _Psycho | goood, configuring package (this part was not working on my last image). I bet opie will work ! |
| 22:18.00 | kergoth | _Psycho: :) |
| 22:18.03 | lsmith | i mean getting an old version to run |
| 22:18.15 | _Psycho | well ist wednesday i have to keep the faith ! |
| 22:18.17 | George- | kergoth: you're so kind :) |
| 22:18.25 | _Psycho | if it doesnt work, tomorow is a better day anyway hehe |
| 22:18.41 | kergoth | openzaurus, version 3.3.1 |
| 22:18.49 | kergoth | hmm, not picking up the model right |
| 22:18.51 | kergoth | need to fix that |
| 22:19.11 | lsmith | ok so a n00b like me better flash to 3.2 then |
| 22:19.41 | kergoth | holy shit |
| 22:19.45 | kergoth | my c700 just froze up solid |
| 22:19.46 | kergoth | in opie |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | woah |
| 22:19.50 | kergoth | came back |
| 22:19.50 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:20.06 | _Psycho | no no it didnt crash, its a normal bug ! |
| 22:20.11 | George- | kergoth: happens here all the time ;) |
| 22:20.18 | _Psycho | I always liked the "normal bug" part :) |
| 22:20.20 | George- | kergoth: "It's a feature! Not a bug!" |
| 22:20.23 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:20.44 | _Psycho | do i have to login for opie to get up ? |
| 22:20.52 | kergoth | _Psycho: something broke. |
| 22:21.00 | kergoth | unless you mean an opie login |
| 22:21.06 | _Psycho | gah dammit |
| 22:21.07 | kergoth | if you're at a normal login prompt, it didnt start opie |
| 22:21.15 | kergoth | _Psycho: you need to include tslib in your image.. |
| 22:21.21 | kergoth | _Psycho: libts-0.0 .. |
| 22:21.43 | George- | kergoth: offtopic, but how do I get userinput from a shell script (I want to make a /etc/init.d script to act as a boot menu ie - choose to boot into Opie/Openzaurus, or boot into Debian via pivot_root) |
| 22:21.56 | kergoth | uhm |
| 22:21.57 | _Psycho | hehe mount: cannot open /etc/mtab no sush file or directory |
| 22:21.59 | _Psycho | yeah like |
| 22:22.01 | kergoth | we already have a curses boot menu |
| 22:22.01 | _Psycho | of course |
| 22:22.14 | George- | kergoth: where? ;) |
| 22:22.17 | kergoth | George-: dont reinvent square wheels |
| 22:22.18 | _Psycho | pretty sure i had tslib too |
| 22:22.19 | kergoth | its in the feeds |
| 22:22.26 | George- | name? |
| 22:22.27 | kergoth | _Psycho: is oz-base installed? |
| 22:22.32 | kergoth | George-: BOOTMENU |
| 22:22.36 | kergoth | fucking idiots |
| 22:22.55 | _Psycho | mtab -> /proc/mounts |
| 22:23.07 | George- | lsmith: BOOTMENU: No such file or directory |
| 22:23.10 | George- | :) |
| 22:23.11 | _Psycho | hmmm hmmm i recompiled oz-base earlier, maybe i forgot it but i really doubt |
| 22:23.21 | George- | s/lsmith/ls/ |
| 22:23.51 | _Psycho | well its in my menuimage |
| 22:23.52 | _Psycho | sec |
| 22:25.46 | _Psycho | i dont have /proc, hmm what i forgot hmmm |
| 22:26.30 | kergoth | _Psycho: listen |
| 22:26.34 | kergoth | _Psycho: wipe your oz-base and rebuild it |
| 22:26.37 | kenb | hm |
| 22:26.38 | _Psycho | ok |
| 22:26.38 | George- | How the fucking hell does bootmenu work |
| 22:26.40 | kergoth | _Psycho: it has those dirs |
| 22:26.44 | kergoth | George-: read the fucking code |
| 22:26.46 | kergoth | George-: its a fuckign shell script |
| 22:26.52 | kergoth | George-: fucking lazy bastard |
| 22:27.00 | _Psycho | redoing it atm |
| 22:27.03 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:28.05 | _Psycho | ok did a mrproper, make, then make image_clean, then make image i retry in a sec |
| 22:28.36 | kergoth | _Psycho: you can rebuild one package at a time you know, not the whole thing. you're using subdirs rightg? |
| 22:28.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:28.52 | _Psycho | yes i did |
| 22:29.07 | _Psycho | god i know mrproper take like 3hours to rebuild here |
| 22:29.21 | _Psycho | a full build |
| 22:29.56 | _Psycho | "yeah but it only take 10 minutes on my quad amd opteron 3000 with 12 gigs of rams" |
| 22:30.10 | George- | kergoth: I don't know shell script |
| 22:30.13 | kergoth | _Psycho: hehe |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | George-: uhm |
| 22:30.26 | kergoth | George-: you dont ened to know shell to read shell |
| 22:30.30 | kergoth | or any other language for that matter |
| 22:30.45 | George- | kergoth: well, I can't make head or tail of whatever that bloody script does |
| 22:30.49 | kergoth | once you know how a language works, just read it. its generally readable to be understood by any programmer,regardless of their base language |
| 22:30.50 | treke | hehe. I timed a full build on my non opteron, only takes 1 hour 10 :) |
| 22:31.04 | kergoth | treke: i want to time a full build on the monster box |
| 22:31.09 | treke | except make :) |
| 22:31.16 | treke | make is still an ugly fucker |
| 22:31.28 | kergoth | treke: uh huh, with an empty ccache? |
| 22:31.29 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:31.38 | treke | kergoth: nope not with an empty ccahce |
| 22:31.45 | kergoth | ccache -C adn time it, thatd be more true to the performance of the system |
| 22:31.50 | kergoth | i hate ccache -C |
| 22:31.51 | kergoth | i really do |
| 22:31.52 | treke | fuck that :) |
| 22:31.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:32.00 | kergoth | i've had a corrupt cache before man |
| 22:32.04 | treke | fuckkkkkk keeeeeerrrrrgooooth |
| 22:32.05 | kergoth | everything was fucked until i cleared it |
| 22:32.06 | kergoth | that blew |
| 22:32.15 | treke | I'm going to kill your ass |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | eh, whatd i do? |
| 22:32.32 | George- | kergoth: so wait, it scours /etc/menu.d for menu definition files? |
| 22:32.36 | treke | I was trying to look at my ccache stats |
| 22:32.39 | kergoth | George-: yep |
| 22:32.42 | treke | but ccache -C was stuck in my head |
| 22:32.46 | kergoth | hahahaha |
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| 22:33.03 | George- | kergoth: how are those menu definition files laid out? |
| 22:33.05 | kergoth | you next opie build will be hell |
| 22:33.09 | George- | kergoth: I can't seem to find one in the code |
| 22:33.13 | kergoth | George-: hell if i know, i havent touched it in ages |
| 22:33.17 | kergoth | George-: they're include din the packages |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | George-: i.e. oz-base should have one |
| 22:33.25 | George- | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 22:33.27 | treke | kergoth: I dont do builds at work anymore |
| 22:33.46 | kergoth | treke: ah, use your newfangled spiffy box eh |
| 22:33.58 | treke | thats half the reason I bought it :) |
| 22:34.09 | _Psycho | oh gonna play pool with a girl |
| 22:34.12 | _Psycho | $$ |
| 22:34.20 | _Psycho | i think that image gonna wait ! |
| 22:34.21 | _Psycho | =p |
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| 22:34.48 | kergoth | _Psycho: have fun :) |
| 22:34.51 | _Psycho | well flashing it anyway amt hehe |
| 22:34.55 | _Psycho | just going in 30 |
| 22:35.00 | treke | kergoth: 2.4.21 seems to be hitting the spot. I can get over 6 hours uptime now :) |
| 22:35.02 | DjinnN | anyone have the symbol CF wlan card working? |
| 22:35.08 | kergoth | treke: nice. -pre7? |
| 22:35.13 | treke | pre7 |
| 22:35.16 | kergoth | DjinnN: yep, quite a few people do |
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| 22:35.31 | DjinnN | and kismet works with it? |
| 22:35.38 | treke | kergoth: you should try it. I dont notice the 30 second hangs anymore |
| 22:35.43 | kergoth | woah |
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| 22:35.47 | kergoth | i'll try it tonight then |
| 22:35.56 | kergoth | those hangs really put a damper on trying to code |
| 22:36.25 | treke | kergoth: they only happend on disk access for me though, so I could reliably reproduce it by making kernel-ipaq |
| 22:36.26 | kergoth | DjinnN: talk to TheMasterMind1 if he's here |
| 22:36.46 | kergoth | treke: interesting. it seemed to be something like that here as well, but its hard to isolate |
| 22:37.03 | _Psycho | oooh reconfiguring *go go* |
| 22:37.10 | George- | kergoth: oz base doesn't seem to have any |
| 22:37.26 | kergoth | George-: iirc the scirpts there were just shell script that run the application |
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| 22:37.37 | George- | kergoth: ahh |
| 22:37.39 | kergoth | i.e. #!/bin/sh ... /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 22:37.44 | George- | nifty |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | but i havent touched it in months and months |
| 22:37.48 | kergoth | cause i want to write a better system |
| 22:37.51 | kergoth | its in the todo |
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| 22:40.04 | _Psycho | OMG OPIE ! |
| 22:40.08 | _Psycho | *faint* |
| 22:40.27 | kergoth | _Psycho: hehe |
| 22:40.33 | kergoth | i uploaded an image also |
| 22:40.39 | _Psycho | yeah yeah |
| 22:40.39 | kergoth | to the site, experimental |
| 22:40.40 | kergoth | _Psycho: fyi |
| 22:40.43 | kergoth | _Psycho: after calibrating |
| 22:40.43 | _Psycho | just when mine work |
| 22:40.44 | _Psycho | ! |
| 22:40.48 | _Psycho | yeah i did |
| 22:40.51 | kergoth | _Psycho: settings->shutdown->reboot |
| 22:40.53 | _Psycho | calibrating working fine |
| 22:40.53 | kergoth | _Psycho: trust me |
| 22:40.59 | kergoth | the first boot in opie the TS is messed up |
| 22:41.06 | kergoth | you need to exit opie and restart it to get it to behave |
| 22:41.18 | kergoth | i know whats causing the bug, i'll fix it soon |
| 22:41.24 | _Psycho | ok |
| 22:41.27 | _Psycho | did that |
| 22:41.28 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 22:41.29 | _Psycho | WOO HOO |
| 22:41.30 | kergoth | np |
| 22:41.31 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 22:41.35 | kergoth | also the keymap is still weird |
| 22:41.36 | kergoth | like |
| 22:41.37 | kergoth | you cant hit / |
| 22:41.39 | _Psycho | opie seem so nice |
| 22:41.46 | kergoth | the shift + comma doesnt do it |
| 22:41.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:41.47 | George- | I hope this kernel has support for CramFS |
| 22:41.48 | _Psycho | yeah i remember |
| 22:42.31 | DjinnN | quit |
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| 22:44.15 | chouimat | kergoth: what happened when I was sleeping? |
| 22:44.41 | George- | kergoth: when I try to run bootmenu, I get: /usr/bin/bootmenu: 4: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 22:44.46 | _Psycho | hmm i just need to change the background now |
| 22:44.51 | _Psycho | ok make a nice one in 640x480 hehe |
| 22:45.47 | _Psycho | weird mp3 are desync |
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| 22:51.02 | _Psycho | jesus opie own |
| 22:51.06 | _Psycho | vs sharp rom |
| 22:51.20 | ginkemu | exactamundo! |
| 22:51.32 | _Psycho | gonna have to see whats up with the mp3 desync on the c700 thought =p |
| 22:52.38 | ginkemu | the dft butterfly invertion maybe the problem |
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| 22:57.02 | ginkemu | where is an amusing, funny, interesting chan on this server? |
| 22:57.28 | yeiazel | dunno any in english |
| 22:57.51 | _Psycho | hey kergoth, opie rotate the wrong way =p |
| 22:57.58 | ginkemu | hey i can speak spanish or french if nessesary |
| 22:58.08 | kergoth | _Psycho: run appearance |
| 22:58.13 | kergoth | _Psycho: you can select the rotation direction |
| 22:58.29 | _Psycho | ah ok missed that |
| 22:59.29 | _Psycho | ok leaving but |
| 22:59.44 | _Psycho | woo hoo ! :) thanks kergoth =p |
| 23:00.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:00.34 | kergoth | later, have fun |
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| 23:01.08 | George- | hrmmph |
| 23:01.12 | George- | GREAT, I have a useless Z |
| 23:01.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:01.38 | George- | kergoth: I fucked up the pivot root stuff |
| 23:01.49 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:02.05 | George- | I have a prompt "Debian GNU/Linux" and not much more |
| 23:02.33 | Dessimat0r | reflash it? |
| 23:02.54 | George- | Dessimat0r: gonna try rebooting |
| 23:03.00 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:03.20 | chouimat | George-: bah |
| 23:04.00 | George- | whoa |
| 23:04.02 | George- | it works |
| 23:04.03 | George- | IT WORKS |
| 23:04.11 | George- | I just gotta refine it |
| 23:04.45 | chouimat | George-: now clean the keyboard and the monitor ... |
| 23:05.13 | Dessimat0r | heh |
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| 23:19.49 | ||ugh | Has anyone gotten any VoIP running on the Z? The ZMeeting seems dead (never worked). I know of no store to buy tKc products in so they are out. Anything else> |
| 23:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i got zmeeting working once |
| 23:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | with video |
| 23:20.16 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty cool |
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| 23:25.28 | George- | fuck you chouimat |
| 23:25.36 | ||ugh | TheMasterMind1, what did you get zMeeting working with? Tell me Gnomemeeting! But worse, there is no source! |
| 23:25.50 | kergoth | hey hugh |
| 23:25.58 | kergoth | hows it goin |
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| 23:29.03 | ljp | booya! |
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| 23:30.51 | ljp | heh the sf zaurus list will be discontinued |
| 23:31.02 | ljp | hahahah tomorrow |
| 23:31.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:31.07 | kergoth | nice notice eh? |
| 23:31.11 | pb_ | hah |
| 23:31.13 | ljp | yes |
| 23:31.20 | ljp | better than no notice |
| 23:31.23 | kergoth | wonder if spencer will get the new ones started on community.zauurs.com soon |
| 23:31.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:31.33 | ljp | by tomorrow? |
| 23:31.36 | ljp | :) |
| 23:31.53 | kenb | the SF list killed? |
| 23:31.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:31.55 | kenb | why? |
| 23:32.02 | kergoth | kenb: the sf project has been gone for months |
| 23:32.06 | kenb | ah |
| 23:32.07 | kergoth | kenb: they just didnt kill the lists |
| 23:32.25 | kenb | until tomorrow ;) |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:32.44 | ljp | heh vmemo messes up sample rate of sound card. |
| 23:32.55 | ljp | more like.. sound driver is a piece of crapola |
| 23:33.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:33.07 | ljp | wonder what device |
| 23:34.33 | ljp | opera doesnt like opie mantis |
| 23:35.33 | ljp | oohh. hmm, ipaq, fam .7-pre10 |
| 23:35.48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:35.54 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:35.56 | kergoth | do you save teh previous rate and restore it when you're done? |
| 23:35.58 | kergoth | in vmemo |
| 23:35.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:36.04 | ljp | uhh no. |
| 23:36.09 | ljp | shouldnt need too |
| 23:36.34 | kergoth | oh, current rate is per open(), not global |
| 23:36.36 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:36.54 | ||ugh | Honnestly? Very frustrating, PC (hardware) suck and the Linux community seems to be getting nowhere...and I have lost over a day to shit. I won't bore you. There IS a good part though... |
| 23:37.07 | ljp | ya, you shouls always set the proper parameters |
| 23:37.46 | ljp | because you get the rate and stero/mono from the file itself, usually |
| 23:37.57 | ||ugh | I am thinking of opening up my house (Santa Cruz Mountains) tomorrow for some (minor) astornomical events, transit and elipes with Jupiter and it's moons as well as ours later on in the evening. |
| 23:37.59 | kergoth | ah, makes sense |
| 23:38.10 | kergoth | ||ugh: cool |
| 23:38.26 | ljp | unless you resample, and then you still need to know the files rate and such |
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| 23:38.38 | ljp | ooooohhhh nice |
| 23:39.03 | ||ugh | Other then Nukular Vinter (as Furier Bush would say...) there is not much that politics can do to the sky... |
| 23:39.25 | ljp | heh dont bet on that |
| 23:39.56 | ljp | telescopes can be used to get the telemetry of spy satellites! ;) |
| 23:40.12 | ||ugh | Well I was not going to complicate things with light polution and the future non-TV watching during prime time sin tax... |
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| 23:43.29 | ||ugh | I am thinking of doing some demo work with Z's in a couple of weeks and could use some simple VoIP stuff. Not sure if I should try, but it might just be a fun way into hell! |
| 23:51.58 | Dessimat0r | ah, tomorrow will be a fsckin' barrel of laughs, doing design technology all bloody day... |
| 23:53.57 | ljp | oh, bloddy hell. |
| 23:54.14 | George- | ljp: bloddy? |
| 23:54.16 | George- | BLODDY???? |
| 23:54.25 | C-Howells | Dessimat0r: where? school? university? |
| 23:54.31 | ljp | yup. didnt want to cruse |
| 23:54.37 | ljp | curse |
| 23:54.46 | ljp | :) |
