| 00:01.46 | HCl | meh... make image fails.. |
| 00:02.06 | treke | HCl: error? |
| 00:02.28 | HCl | /tmp/buildroot-exported/scripts/dupecheck /tmp/buildroot-exported/output/ipks |
| 00:02.31 | HCl | /bin/sh: line 1: /tmp/buildroot-exported/output/staging/-linux/bin/ipkg: No such file or directory |
| 00:02.34 | HCl | make[1]: *** [/tmp/buildroot-exported/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/3c574-modules.control] Error 127 |
| 00:02.37 | HCl | make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildroot-exported/output' |
| 00:02.40 | HCl | make: *** [image] Error 2 |
| 00:03.01 | treke | sounds likes it isnt setting the target to arm |
| 00:03.10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:03.11 | HCl | mmm. |
| 00:03.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:03.31 | HCl | i just did a cp def-configs/collie-opie_image .config |
| 00:03.34 | HCl | and a make image |
| 00:03.34 | kergoth | HCl: is ARCH set in your environment by any chance? |
| 00:03.39 | kergoth | HCl: set|grep ARCH |
| 00:03.44 | HCl | nope |
| 00:03.53 | HCl | [HCl@acrux]:/tmp/buildroot-exported# echo $ARCH |
| 00:03.53 | HCl | ARCH: Undefined variable. |
| 00:03.55 | kergoth | odd. |
| 00:04.23 | kergoth | scanline: you around? is the oz buildroot cron updating the export prior to upload? |
| 00:04.34 | scanline | shouldbe. I can verify... |
| 00:05.18 | kergoth | k |
| 00:05.24 | scanline | it's rm'ing the exported directory and doing a fresh export each time |
| 00:05.35 | ccamp | this wine |
| 00:05.37 | ccamp | is messing me up |
| 00:05.43 | kergoth | ah ok, is it updating your local bk tree? |
| 00:05.48 | kergoth | or are you exporting from the remote one directly? |
| 00:06.40 | scanline | exporting the remote one |
| 00:07.15 | scanline | I can paste in the script if you want to see it, it's pretty short |
| 00:07.29 | kergoth | feel free |
| 00:07.35 | scanline | (cd /home/micah/oz_bk |
| 00:07.36 | scanline | BK_LICENSE=ACCEPTED |
| 00:07.36 | scanline | #bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz |
| 00:07.36 | scanline | cd buildroot-oz |
| 00:07.36 | scanline | bk pull |
| 00:07.36 | scanline | rm -Rf buildroot-exported |
| 00:07.40 | scanline | bk export http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-exported |
| 00:07.42 | scanline | tar jcvf ../buildroot-oz.snapshot.tar.bz2 buildroot-exported |
| 00:07.44 | scanline | cd .. |
| 00:07.46 | scanline | scp buildroot-oz.snapshot.tar.bz2 micahjd@shell.sf.net:~/oz/htdocs/snapshot/) > /home/micah/oz_bk/log 2> /home/micah/oz_bk/err_log |
| 00:08.07 | kergoth | ah, and hte pull didnt fail due to conflicts or anything stupid right? |
| 00:08.09 | scanline | hmm.. I'm not sure why I'm bk pull'ing and exporting from the remote tree... |
| 00:08.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:08.21 | kergoth | the export isnt actually exporting fromt he remote trree |
| 00:08.24 | kergoth | its doing it from yours |
| 00:08.27 | scanline | oh |
| 00:08.28 | kergoth | despite the cmdline opts |
| 00:08.30 | kergoth | its stupid |
| 00:08.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:10.02 | scanline | micah@navi:~/oz_bk$ cat err_log |
| 00:10.02 | scanline | Nothing to pull from http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot |
| 00:10.07 | scanline | looks fine |
| 00:10.23 | kergoth | okay cool |
| 00:10.25 | kergoth | just checkin |
| 00:10.26 | kergoth | thanks |
| 00:10.30 | scanline | but hmm... |
| 00:10.49 | scanline | my buildroot-exported directory is empty |
| 00:10.52 | HCl | o.o |
| 00:11.59 | scanline | oh, I was looking at the wrong exported directory |
| 00:12.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:13.07 | scanline | yeah. Just ran through it by hand, and it worked fine |
| 00:13.34 | kergoth | okay great |
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| 00:20.53 | endr_z | what version are we on for testing - 3.1rc3.1? |
| 00:21.18 | kergoth | read the topic |
| 00:21.26 | kergoth | latest testing _release_ is 3.1rc3.1 yes |
| 00:21.27 | kergoth | ;) |
| 00:21.52 | endr_z | it's not in the topic anymore unless opieirc is fooling me... |
| 00:22.10 | endr_z | :) |
| 00:22.29 | endr_z | thx for the answr, btw :) |
| 00:22.49 | kergoth | np |
| 00:22.55 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.12 | endr_z | how did you say you fix irda in that release -- is it the collie module I want to unload? |
| 00:23.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:23.27 | kergoth | either audio or usbd |
| 00:23.33 | kergoth | or you can flash experimental which has the fix ;) |
| 00:23.37 | endr_z | aha usbd yes |
| 00:23.42 | endr_z | cool |
| 00:23.48 | endr_z | even better |
| 00:23.56 | endr_z | might wait tho |
| 00:24.13 | endr_z | just got everything reconfig'd after last flash |
| 00:24.41 | endr_z | really stupid question: what is the collie module for again? |
| 00:25.20 | endr_z | (REALLY stupid, sorry, I know) |
| 00:28.29 | kergoth | endr_z: there are two collie modules, they're both audio drivers. |
| 00:28.35 | kergoth | endr_z: one is buzzer, one is headphone out |
| 00:29.18 | endr_z | kergoth: gotcha, thx |
| 00:29.46 | kergoth | np |
| 00:29.55 | endr_z | kergoth: why did you name the experimental revision that (collie)? |
| 00:29.57 | kergoth | HCl: i dunno man. you can read the code. read Vars.make, where it sets ARCH |
| 00:30.00 | kergoth | endr_z: i didnt. |
| 00:30.02 | HCl | ok.. |
| 00:30.10 | endr_z | kergoth: oh |
| 00:30.10 | kergoth | endr_z: collie is the name of this device. 5000d/5500 |
| 00:30.15 | kergoth | poodle is b500/5600 |
| 00:30.18 | kergoth | corgi is c700 |
| 00:30.23 | kergoth | sharp's naming for their machien types |
| 00:30.24 | endr_z | aha |
| 00:30.34 | endr_z | aha * w |
| 00:30.40 | kergoth | sine OZ supports multiple devices, i distinguish which the images are for |
| 00:30.40 | endr_z | * 2, even |
| 00:30.44 | kergoth | s/sine/since/ |
| 00:30.46 | endr_z | very cool |
| 00:31.13 | endr_z | jamey? |
| 00:31.32 | kergoth | ibot: jamey |
| 00:31.33 | | hmm... jamey is "Jamey Hicks, that's Dr. Hicks to you. or http://crl.research.compaq.com/who/people/jamey/bio.htm or available now in icon form: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/jameyico.png", or http://www.handhelds.org/~jamey/ |
| 00:31.54 | treke | hmmm didnt know jamey had letters after his name |
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| 00:36.01 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:36.20 | Neo|Work | humdidumdi |
| 00:39.27 | treke | where is scanlemon |
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| 00:54.55 | ccamp | hi |
| 01:07.39 | treke | enjoy vacation |
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| 02:12.25 | treke|opieirc | hmm aqpkg hates me |
| 02:13.27 | Techie2000 | Why? |
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| 02:14.59 | treke|opieirc | keeps freezing on load |
| 02:15.19 | Techie2000 | Hmm. |
| 02:15.22 | Techie2000 | That sucks |
| 02:15.43 | drw | treke|opieirc: on initial start-up? |
| 02:16.22 | treke|opieirc | yup |
| 02:16.36 | treke|opieirc | last nights code, i think |
| 02:17.21 | drw | anything shown on the screen? (i.e. 'Reading configuration...', etc.) |
| 02:17.31 | treke|opieirc | yeah. 1 sec |
| 02:18.03 | treke|opieirc | reading config. 100% |
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| 02:21.06 | drw | treke|opieirc: welcome back. sometimes aqpkg takes awhile (5 seconds maybe...not really sure why), have you left it run for a little bit? |
| 02:21.14 | treke|opieirc | yes |
| 02:21.44 | treke|opieirc | i've left it running a couple minutes |
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| 02:25.19 | treke|home | sorry. hh7 is a bit unstable :) |
| 02:25.30 | drw | treke|home: Can you e-mail me your ipkg.conf (drw@hh.org)? I'll take a look |
| 02:25.37 | treke|home | sure |
| 02:27.27 | treke|home | sent |
| 02:27.53 | drw | ok, will look into it |
| 02:28.24 | treke|home | cool |
| 02:29.39 | drw | treke|home: hmmm...all feed sources are commented out? |
| 02:30.29 | drw | aqpkg should handle that, but probably is cause of hang |
| 02:31.17 | treke|home | drw: it does the same when they arent commented out |
| 02:32.14 | drw | hmmm (never the easy answer ;) )...ok...I will test it out |
| 02:32.22 | treke|home | thanks |
| 02:32.37 | drw | have to run for now though...bye |
| 02:33.07 | treke|home | found the problem |
| 02:33.11 | treke|home | fuck |
| 02:33.26 | treke|home | aqpkg doesnt like src oz-iopaq |
| 02:33.30 | treke|home | src ozipaq works |
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| 03:09.35 | BrianR | hey folks. |
| 03:09.44 | kergoth | hey |
| 03:10.00 | BrianR | what the word on the new Z? |
| 03:10.06 | BrianR | and openzaurus.. |
| 03:10.06 | kergoth | which one? |
| 03:10.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:10.09 | kergoth | 5600? |
| 03:10.11 | kergoth | c700? |
| 03:10.18 | BrianR | kergoth: 5600 and c700... |
| 03:10.23 | BrianR | the c700 being the clamshell one, right? |
| 03:10.36 | BrianR | 64mb flash, 32mb ram?! |
| 03:10.45 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:10.47 | kergoth | I have a c700 |
| 03:10.54 | kergoth | OZ and opie run on it |
| 03:10.56 | kergoth | as does X |
| 03:10.59 | BrianR | any idea if the c700 can be reworked with 64mb ram? |
| 03:11.01 | kergoth | opie needs a little tender loving care yet |
| 03:11.06 | kergoth | BrianR: folks are working on that |
| 03:11.12 | kergoth | they need to hack on the bootloader to get it to work |
| 03:11.19 | BrianR | a lot of folks rework their ipaqs... A few guys on hh.org have 128mb ipaq's.. |
| 03:11.24 | kergoth | I'll have test roms for 5600/b500 shortly as well |
| 03:11.26 | kergoth | yes, i know. |
| 03:11.29 | BrianR | I have a h3670 |
| 03:11.41 | kergoth | OZ runs on ipaqs too you know |
| 03:11.41 | BrianR | I get a $1000 stipend each year from my employer to buy a PDA. |
| 03:11.46 | kergoth | familiar now has a competitor |
| 03:11.54 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:12.25 | BrianR | I'm not a big fan of the h3670 though. It's a monster with the wireless card on it |
| 03:12.37 | BrianR | and if I want a keyboard the clip-on thumb keyboard is huge ;( |
| 03:12.53 | BrianR | all in all, the whole thing doesn't fit in my pocket. And I have big pockets. |
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| 03:13.03 | kergoth | right.. you need a Z |
| 03:13.08 | kergoth | hey james_lan-me |
| 03:13.12 | james_lan-me | hey |
| 03:13.15 | BrianR | are there any CF 1xrtt modems yet? |
| 03:13.25 | kergoth | dont know |
| 03:13.39 | kergoth | god i need more practice at qt coding, layouts hate me |
| 03:13.42 | BrianR | kergoth: How is the 32mb ram situation? It always felt tight on my 3670 with 64mb :( |
| 03:13.54 | kergoth | BrianR: not a problem most of the time |
| 03:14.06 | kergoth | most people only run one to two real applications simultaniously |
| 03:14.10 | kergoth | now java apps.. |
| 03:14.13 | kergoth | memory hogs |
| 03:14.13 | james_lan-me | brianr: what are you planning on running? |
| 03:14.29 | treke|home | opieplayer 2 used to have problems with it |
| 03:14.37 | kergoth | yeah, that too |
| 03:14.44 | kergoth | treke|home: so you found that aqpkg hangs on start bug eh? |
| 03:14.47 | kergoth | parsing problems? |
| 03:14.49 | treke|home | kergoth: yup |
| 03:14.58 | treke|home | if you have a - in the src name it hangs |
| 03:14.59 | kergoth | aqpkg's parsing is shit as it stands |
| 03:15.16 | BrianR | james_lan-me: handful of terminal windows with ssh, calendar/contacts app, mailreader, instant message/irc app |
| 03:15.16 | kergoth | thats why it was reporting packages as installed even if the install failed |
| 03:15.19 | treke|home | which explains it, I've always called my source oz-ipaq |
| 03:15.20 | kergoth | parsing |
| 03:15.36 | treke|home | ~lart ipkg for losing packages |
| 03:15.42 | james_lan-me | opie mp2 did when I switched (no apps fast-load, and it needed a swap file) from sharp (has that gotten better, hopefully?) |
| 03:15.45 | BrianR | oh.. also, i'd like it if I could run a decent web browser for updating helpdeskt ickets.. |
| 03:16.00 | kergoth | konq/e works fine |
| 03:16.04 | kergoth | well sortafine |
| 03:16.08 | james_lan-me | ~lart ipkg again for the same reason :) |
| 03:16.19 | BrianR | I run Mozilla on the ipaq... |
| 03:16.31 | treke|home | one of my two pressing issues with the zaurus is the kernel situation and the single sd slot |
| 03:16.31 | kergoth | oh, you're an X guy? |
| 03:16.33 | james_lan-me | using X (I assume) |
| 03:16.35 | kergoth | i dont know how much ram moz takes |
| 03:16.40 | treke|home | I could probably live happily with all the other stuff |
| 03:16.46 | BrianR | yeah. 64mb is just barely enough for that.. |
| 03:17.01 | kergoth | BrianR: dillo or konq would work better on the c700 |
| 03:17.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:17.08 | james_lan-me | shudder .... imageine gnome on Z |
| 03:17.10 | kergoth | or even links 2.x |
| 03:17.27 | treke|home | james_lan-me: people have done it |
| 03:17.28 | kergoth | treke|home: you notice, if you start opie from a commandline, suspend, and resume, the keyboard is hosed? |
| 03:17.38 | BrianR | it is suprising fast though, provided I don't run out of memory... |
| 03:17.58 | treke|home | kergoth: I've found if yous tart opie from the command line all buttons are hosed by the getty :) |
| 03:18.00 | BrianR | none of these boxes are short on CPU power.. All are short on storage :( |
| 03:18.14 | treke|home | james_lan-me: its been done by people on the ipaq 3100 |
| 03:18.16 | BrianR | and memory.. |
| 03:18.18 | kergoth | treke|home: it works here, but doesnt survive suspend |
| 03:18.28 | ljp | my cat has a scratchy tongue |
| 03:18.31 | james_lan-me | haven't updated (but occasionionally did that starting opie, but I thought that was fixed....) |
| 03:18.35 | treke|home | kergoth: the getty grabs the keys |
| 03:18.47 | kergoth | yeah i know |
| 03:18.49 | kergoth | the underlying problem is |
| 03:18.53 | james_lan-me | t |
| 03:18.58 | kergoth | that opie doesnt have the ability to allocate a new vt and switch to it |
| 03:19.03 | kergoth | which is what it should be doing |
| 03:19.31 | treke|home | and a 3100 only had 16 mb ram :) |
| 03:19.31 | james_lan-me | anyone gotten opie-on-X going on Z well? |
| 03:19.43 | treke|home | http://www.crosswire.org/~scribe/ss.jpg |
| 03:20.00 | james_lan-me | treke: any external memory (I would assume) |
| 03:20.01 | treke|home | ah wait that one is remote x |
| 03:20.13 | treke|home | james_lan-me: you dont get external memory |
| 03:20.16 | kergoth | treke|home: hey, do you think the rotate applet should default to rotating clockwise, or counter? |
| 03:20.21 | kergoth | treke|home: when it flips you horizonal |
| 03:20.31 | kergoth | treke|home: i'm adding a config opt so you can choose, just deciding on a default |
| 03:20.44 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:20.45 | treke|home | kergoth: I think it should default to the controls on the right |
| 03:20.50 | treke|home | so counter |
| 03:21.07 | kergoth | err, if your controls are on the bottom |
| 03:21.24 | kergoth | and you rotate counter, they're on your left |
| 03:21.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:21.33 | treke|home | bah whatver |
| 03:21.37 | treke|home | just put them on the right |
| 03:21.38 | james_lan-me | treke: I was having images of one hell of a compression algorithmn(or however it's spelled, which I can't seem to do today) |
| 03:21.41 | kergoth | okay, makes sense |
| 03:21.50 | kergoth | treke|home: you messed with layouts much? they hate me today |
| 03:21.57 | kergoth | I need to spend more quality time with Qt |
| 03:22.04 | treke|home | kergoth: mostly with qt-designer |
| 03:22.06 | BrianR | maybe I should get a jornada 728.. |
| 03:22.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:22.49 | treke|home | ~lart crappy apps |
| 03:22.52 | james_lan-me | which pocket pc's can be modified to run linux (OZ, familiar, intimate etc) |
| 03:23.00 | james_lan-me | ibot what mojo? |
| 03:23.01 | | no idea, james_lan-me |
| 03:23.06 | treke|home | james_lan-me: the ipaq is the most common |
| 03:23.13 | treke|home | one or two of the jornadas |
| 03:23.46 | james_lan-me | I know the ipaqs can, I was wondering about the toshibas, casiopeias(sp?), etc |
| 03:24.09 | treke|home | pretty much just the ipaqs |
| 03:26.11 | james_lan-me | That's unfortunate. (plus I was hoping there was some breakthrough on loading linux on the suckers while I was off in la-la land) |
| 03:26.30 | james_lan-me | some of them are coming close to the Z in feature set |
| 03:27.47 | treke|home | pocketpcs are pretty much identical in ways that affect the user |
| 03:27.54 | ljp | ha! saddam once received key to Detroit |
| 03:27.55 | treke|home | its the details that dont that cause problems :) |
| 03:28.02 | treke|home | ljp: huh? |
| 03:28.28 | ljp | you know how some US cities give special people 'keys to the city'? |
| 03:28.32 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:29.23 | ljp | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=533&e=8&cid=533&u=/ap/20030326/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_s_key |
| 03:31.01 | treke|home | ah back in 1980 |
| 03:31.47 | treke|home | he had just come to power in what? 1970? |
| 03:32.25 | treke|home | er 79 |
| 03:32.50 | kergoth | god i hate GUI programming |
| 03:32.55 | kergoth | give me backend work _anyday_ |
| 03:33.07 | kergoth | i cant stand doing user interfaces |
| 03:33.09 | kergoth | gr |
| 03:33.25 | ljp | whadda you trying to do? |
| 03:33.45 | dep | yay! someone else who can't stand gui programming |
| 03:33.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:34.00 | kergoth | and i'm stuck doing WEB programming at work |
| 03:34.02 | kergoth | html and shit |
| 03:34.09 | ljp | hahaha |
| 03:34.11 | kergoth | which is user interface programming but worse |
| 03:34.13 | kergoth | its like my nightmare |
| 03:34.51 | james_lan-me | which is? |
| 03:35.00 | treke|home | portability of clients |
| 03:35.15 | treke|home | everything else sucks ass |
| 03:35.19 | kergoth | i should really install qvfb |
| 03:35.24 | james_lan-me | I can see that. |
| 03:35.32 | kergoth | scp'ing shit to and from my Z gets old |
| 03:35.38 | ljp | yup |
| 03:36.10 | james_lan-me | I would add: and servers (depending on the server, such as an X server) |
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| 03:36.43 | james_lan-me | anyone else find it ironic that the X client often runs on a remote machine while the X server is on your machine? |
| 03:36.46 | treke|home | james_lan-me: yeah but the server side isnt necesarrily as portable. |
| 03:37.06 | treke|home | not really |
| 03:37.24 | treke|home | if you think about it, the app is just connecting to a server and saying "do stuff" |
| 03:37.55 | james_lan-me | yeah, but have you tried explaining it to the non-technically inclined? |
| 03:37.56 | kergoth | i think he means considering most client->server models are the reverse |
| 03:37.57 | kergoth | me->them |
| 03:37.59 | kergoth | not them->me |
| 03:38.10 | treke|home | james_lan-me: never tried. Never seen the need |
| 03:38.14 | kergoth | where me is defined as my computer |
| 03:38.16 | kergoth | james_lan-me: i tried, and failed |
| 03:38.18 | james_lan-me | kergoth: exactly |
| 03:38.25 | treke|home | peopel who would get it dont need to know its a client server thing :) |
| 03:38.29 | treke|home | er wouldnt |
| 03:38.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:39.06 | kergoth | hm, opie does feel a bit snappier with the new binutils |
| 03:39.07 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 03:39.11 | kergoth | not complaining.. but. |
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| 03:39.18 | treke|home | I dont consider other people mental difficulties to be my problem |
| 03:40.15 | kergoth | i work in tech support, dont have that luxury :\ |
| 03:40.26 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:40.28 | james_lan-me | try having a mother who teaches special ed (note: the people I was trying to explain this to were college honors students) |
| 03:40.35 | treke|home | I saddly do have to do support often |
| 03:40.45 | treke|home | thankfully my phone no longer rings directly too my desk :) |
| 03:42.25 | dep | i teach college level java and os...sort of a form of 'tech support'. sigh. |
| 03:43.44 | dep | oh yes... i answer java problems any time...also C, and C++ on a bad day |
| 03:43.57 | ljp | hey! I make java every morning! |
| 03:43.58 | treke|home | nah I wouldnt do that :) |
| 03:44.14 | treke|home | james_lan-me: but you are corect. I am most certainly not nice |
| 03:45.18 | treke|home | since I dont actually need java for anything, I can just dick about till I solve my problem |
| 03:46.15 | james_lan-me | ok: the funny holy war starter (well hopefully not): bash bash can do everything. Hell we have the assembler, now where working on the bash compiler. next comes the bash operating system, then the text editor/email/tts/web browser/finger cramping thing that will out emacs, emacs! and if not we can just bash people's heads in :) |
| 03:46.42 | treke|home | james_lan-me: no need to do all that work |
| 03:46.45 | james_lan-me | emacs in bash :) imagine the slowness... |
| 03:46.57 | treke|home | james_lan-me: just write an elisp front end to bash and you'll have a bash operating system |
| 03:47.19 | dep | isn't emacs an os already? |
| 03:47.25 | treke|home | exactly |
| 03:47.30 | treke|home | a lispos |
| 04:01.44 | james_lan-me | shudder |
| 04:02.01 | treke|home | hehe |
| 04:02.38 | chouimat|tv | last time I played with lisp it was 10 years ago |
| 04:02.47 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: see angel? |
| 04:02.53 | ljp | I hate lisp |
| 04:03.05 | james_lan-me | i did (you an angel fan too kergoth?) |
| 04:03.10 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:03.15 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: nope was watching a german movie and after that Andromeda |
| 04:03.18 | kergoth | electrochick = hot |
| 04:03.23 | kergoth | not only literally |
| 04:03.32 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: yeah |
| 04:04.14 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: good episode? cordy still a bitch |
| 04:04.45 | james_lan-me | love the ending, just what most people wouldn't suspect. |
| 04:04.45 | kergoth | yes, good episode |
| 04:04.46 | kergoth | very |
| 04:04.52 | kergoth | james_lan-me: indeed |
| 04:05.36 | chouimat|tv | ok my will fetch it from kazaa this weekend |
| 04:05.49 | james_lan-me | mythtv is nice |
| 04:06.21 | james_lan-me | except nothing else plays the format (modified nuv) |
| 04:07.09 | treke|home | sweet. hh8 is up and running |
| 04:07.14 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:07.16 | treke|home | well sort of hh8 |
| 04:07.35 | treke|home | jamey didnt actually tag hh8, so I had to fudge based ont he date :) |
| 04:07.47 | james_lan-me | hh8 |
| 04:07.49 | james_lan-me | ? |
| 04:08.00 | treke|home | james_lan-me: handhelds.org kernel release |
| 04:08.12 | james_lan-me | gotcha |
| 04:08.23 | james_lan-me | ibot: hh8 |
| 04:08.23 | | james_lan-me: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:08.59 | treke|home | kergoth: since he's more or less the only person who does kernels regularly, he isnt to consistant on releases :) |
| 04:09.58 | kergoth | ahh |
| 04:10.25 | treke|home | cant really blame him. Its probably a fair amount of work to do one |
| 04:14.59 | mewyn` | i need to start a nwn server |
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| 04:15.30 | treke|home | mewyn`: it isnt a big bandwith hog |
| 04:15.44 | _Psycho | how is the build going ker ? :) |
| 04:15.49 | kergoth | exploded |
| 04:15.56 | _Psycho | ! ooh =p |
| 04:15.58 | mewyn` | think so. but i'm gonna develop it first |
| 04:15.58 | kergoth | had to tweak a few things, start it again |
| 04:15.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:16.03 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 04:16.04 | kergoth | oh, then my box crashes |
| 04:16.06 | mewyn` | then i'll prolly colo for it |
| 04:16.09 | kergoth | usb-storage PANIC |
| 04:16.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:16.13 | _Psycho | how long does it take for a full, im curious |
| 04:16.27 | treke|home | mewyn`: I'm probably going to keep one running |
| 04:17.10 | _Psycho | anyway, bed time i check tomorow under OZ dirs or stuff =p |
| 04:18.14 | kergoth | night |
| 04:19.23 | chouimat|shower | kergoth: any news? |
| 04:19.36 | kergoth | uhm, opie has on the fly rotation that works |
| 04:19.40 | kergoth | i'm tweaking some stuff with it atm |
| 04:20.00 | chouimat|shower | wow! those sleep pills are kick really fast ... |
| 04:20.07 | _Psycho | wow cool for gly rotation |
| 04:20.07 | james_lan-me | choouimat: waterproof computing? :) |
| 04:20.10 | _Psycho | fly* |
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| 04:20.25 | chouimat|shower | james_lan-me: yup military pda |
| 04:20.35 | treke|home | the rotation is really cool |
| 04:20.50 | kergoth | damnit, i do a setPixmap on these QRadioButton's and the pixmap is teeeeeny |
| 04:20.56 | kergoth | can barely see the fucking thing |
| 04:20.59 | chouimat|shower | kergoth: that rotation thing is in the new image? |
| 04:21.06 | kergoth | chouimat|shower: there is no new image up there |
| 04:21.06 | kergoth | but yet |
| 04:21.08 | kergoth | yes |
| 04:21.10 | kergoth | the image i have here has it |
| 04:21.22 | kergoth | i'm not uploading a new one till i finish this up |
| 04:21.51 | chouimat|shower | ok I will wait to kde finish compiling and I will build a new image here |
| 04:26.54 | kennyj | no new image since yesterday? |
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| 04:27.30 | kennyj | I still haven't managed to break anything other than the desktop and taskbar icons for kismet_qt, by the way. The latest experimental rom seems to be working pretty good. |
| 04:27.49 | kergoth | nice, glad to hear it |
| 04:28.02 | kennyj | I used it to good effect to freak out my co-workers with Kismet when I could tell them exactly who's computers were sending packets out and when. ^_^ |
| 04:28.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:28.37 | kennyj | They also thought it was cool when I went on-site and was able to tell one of them that their laptop still had the office's ESSID and they needed to change it to the client's. ^_^ |
| 04:30.28 | james_lan-me | it's even better when someone from media resources is complaining about interference from the library (not very strong signal where they were complaining), and you can trace a location and sid (something like video dept, or equally obvious). Quite funny. |
| 04:30.47 | kennyj | anyways, starting kismet_qt from the konsole is a PITA and all, but more because if I switch to another app, I can't switch back... but the absence of the damn card eject bug makes it really worth it. Much nicer ROM than RC3.1 overall. |
| 04:30.58 | kennyj | james: yep yep |
| 04:32.01 | james_lan-me | and by the way, damn you kergoth for getting me to upgrade and not have broken (by me) config that wouldn't work with kismet :) Now I spend entirely too much power on listening. (amazing how many linksys aps there are!) |
| 04:32.01 | kennyj | I'm going to find this quite useful for testing... being able to tell people that my PDA can see their card transmitting information and it IS their borked corporate proxy settings that are screwing them up will come in handy. |
| 04:36.12 | treke|home | finally opieplayer2 is working again :) |
| 04:36.20 | treke|home | I can get housework done again |
| 04:39.03 | kennyj | hehehe |
| 04:40.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:46.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:47.00 | kergoth | treke|home: when you use on the fly rotation, are your cursor keys rotated properly in the apps you had running at the time? |
| 04:47.15 | kergoth | treke|home: i.e. start konsole, run rotate, change it, back in konsole, do the cursors work right? |
| 04:49.40 | treke|home | apps dont rotate for me |
| 04:49.49 | kergoth | er, you're building from HEAD? |
| 04:49.52 | treke|home | no |
| 04:49.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:49.56 | kergoth | k |
| 04:50.01 | treke|home | it rotates part of opie on the fly |
| 04:50.04 | treke|home | but not the apps |
| 04:50.07 | Klu5ter | kergoth: I got a couple minor bugs for you on the experimental immage if you want them |
| 04:50.18 | Klu5ter | kergoth: oh.. btw this is/was sieve |
| 04:50.18 | kergoth | Klu5ter: sure, what are they? |
| 04:50.24 | kergoth | yeah, i know i saw you change nicks |
| 04:50.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:50.28 | Klu5ter | kewl |
| 04:50.32 | treke|home | kergoth: I'll do a HEAD build tomorrow |
| 04:50.41 | kergoth | treke|home: k, cool |
| 04:51.42 | Klu5ter | ok.. the set background immage on launcher, I set to all tabs to have the same background immage. If I add a new tab, the new tab has the default opie immage |
| 04:52.02 | kergoth | -> mantis |
| 04:52.04 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 04:52.04 | | it has been said that opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 04:52.13 | Klu5ter | ok |
| 04:54.01 | Klu5ter | well then.. the next one would probably also be an opie problem.. if I have too many programs in one tab, when I go to the "O" button in the bottom left corner and select that tab it tries to come up but because I have too many programs it blows up. :) |
| 04:55.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:55.24 | kergoth | yeah, thats opie too |
| 04:55.36 | kergoth | but tell me any opie bugs you find, in addition to reporting them to opie's BTS |
| 04:55.46 | kergoth | oftentimes theres a small bug here or there i may be able to fix in 2 minutes |
| 04:55.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:55.59 | Klu5ter | ok... |
| 04:56.35 | Klu5ter | there was one other too but I can't seem to remember... guess I should start using my z to remind me of this stuff.. :) |
| 04:56.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:56.59 | Klu5ter | ohhhhh....... this one was kinda odd |
| 04:57.13 | Klu5ter | medium mount or whatever it's called |
| 04:58.04 | Klu5ter | I started it and it ran just fine and did it's job. I then hit ok and it looked like it went away but it continued to show up in the task bar |
| 04:58.10 | Klu5ter | and it was still running |
| 04:58.34 | Klu5ter | I opened it again and hit the ok again.... |
| 04:58.44 | Klu5ter | still it stayed in the task bar |
| 04:58.53 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:58.55 | kergoth | report that one too |
| 04:59.04 | kergoth | i hate it when i touch a critical header |
| 04:59.06 | Klu5ter | wait... there's more |
| 04:59.08 | kergoth | and opie rebuilds everything |
| 04:59.09 | Klu5ter | to this one |
| 04:59.10 | kergoth | :\ |
| 04:59.26 | Klu5ter | I opened it a third time from the task bar and hit the x |
| 04:59.39 | Klu5ter | opie died and sent me to a flashy cursor |
| 04:59.46 | Klu5ter | could do nothing from there |
| 04:59.49 | kergoth | err |
| 04:59.51 | Klu5ter | had to reset |
| 05:00.00 | kergoth | if opie dies, you should get a prompt |
| 05:00.05 | kergoth | which experimental image are you running? |
| 05:00.05 | Klu5ter | no hardware buttons would work either |
| 05:00.14 | Klu5ter | hold please |
| 05:00.30 | kergoth | k |
| 05:01.13 | Klu5ter | damn.. not sure.. mar24 is the date.. I can get you the exact size if that would help |
| 05:01.21 | kergoth | mar24? k, hold |
| 05:01.43 | kergoth | hmm, the qt sigsegv handler shouldve been in there |
| 05:01.51 | Klu5ter | 14811134 |
| 05:01.55 | Klu5ter | is the size |
| 05:02.01 | kergoth | did you inadvertantly get qt-embedded installed from stable by any chance? |
| 05:02.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:02.14 | Klu5ter | I think this is the immage before you fixed the sigsegv |
| 05:02.17 | kergoth | well, i'll keep hacking on this next one |
| 05:02.22 | kergoth | yeah, could be |
| 05:02.23 | kergoth | i dont recall |
| 05:02.41 | Klu5ter | and no I didn't install qt-embeddd |
| 05:03.11 | Klu5ter | I'm pretty certain that this is the immage before you fixed the sig error |
| 05:05.06 | kergoth | okay, i wont worry about it |
| 05:05.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:15.27 | Klu5ter | kergoth: how do you want this bug reporting to go? should I just tell you about them or should I submit them to the bug tracker on the sourceforge oz page? |
| 05:16.27 | kergoth | bugs that are opie specific go in mantis only, but drop me a note on irc or email |
| 05:16.35 | kergoth | no need to add to the oz track |
| 05:16.36 | kergoth | er |
| 05:16.39 | kergoth | add oz specific stuff there |
| 05:16.48 | kergoth | driver, distro issues, etc |
| 05:16.51 | treke|home | ibot literal kill |
| 05:16.51 | | treke|home: are you using Windows? |
| 05:16.59 | kergoth | ibot: literal kill $nick |
| 05:17.00 | | ACTION slits $nick's throat |
| 05:17.01 | treke|home | ibot fuck off |
| 05:17.02 | | treke|home: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:17.03 | kergoth | hm |
| 05:17.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:17.08 | kergoth | ibot: literal kill $who |
| 05:17.09 | | ACTION slits $who's throat |
| 05:17.13 | kergoth | hm |
| 05:17.33 | kergoth | i dont think literal works when theres a var involved |
| 05:17.48 | scanline | ~particle du jour |
| 05:17.48 | | excited flux graviton |
| 05:17.51 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a white russian |
| 05:17.53 | scanline | ~sci-fi of the day |
| 05:17.54 | | It's some kind of inverse meson damping field in the construct, commander spock |
| 05:21.52 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 05:21.56 | kergoth | woo, rotate applet works great, and you can change directions |
| 05:22.00 | treke|home | apt-build compiles libc6 4 times |
| 05:24.17 | Klu5ter | kergoth: new opie-rotate suck? |
| 05:30.05 | kergoth | dont need it anymore |
| 05:30.30 | scanline | can opie rotate apps at runtime now? |
| 05:30.33 | kergoth | there sa 'Rotate' start menu applet that flips you to and from vertical and horizontal |
| 05:30.41 | kergoth | yes, this is runtime now |
| 05:30.49 | Bala | sweet |
| 05:30.54 | scanline | neat |
| 05:30.56 | kergoth | and theres an option in appearance to change the applet to rotate either clockwise or counterclockwise |
| 05:31.17 | kergoth | since a user will never need to rotate to 180, you have all the rotations covered by the single applet |
| 05:31.21 | kergoth | no need for the seperate app |
| 05:31.37 | scanline | why wouldn't you need to rotate to 180? |
| 05:31.41 | Bala | i wanna rotate 180 :) |
| 05:31.41 | kergoth | why would you? |
| 05:31.50 | scanline | if you want to type upside down |
| 05:32.03 | kergoth | The base rotation is controlled by the physical orientation of the hardware |
| 05:32.16 | kergoth | and from that, you can go 90 degrees in either direction |
| 05:32.34 | kergoth | if you absolutely want to go 180, you can dig up the rotate app, but i doubt it'll be in the feeds much longer |
| 05:33.02 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 05:33.07 | kergoth | that'll fuck with your head man |
| 05:33.10 | kergoth | i've looked at that code |
| 05:33.12 | kergoth | its unpleasant |
| 05:33.13 | kergoth | very |
| 05:33.15 | scanline | yeah... |
| 05:33.19 | Bala | what code?? |
| 05:33.25 | kergoth | any code |
| 05:33.35 | kergoth | terminal emulators |
| 05:33.36 | scanline | I think mine's a bit less unpleasant than most though, I might try to make it into a library so that other projects don't have to go through the same torture |
| 05:33.45 | kergoth | scanline: nice, that would be cool |
| 05:35.02 | kergoth | okay, building a new experimental image |
| 05:35.27 | kergoth | you know, its pretty cool seeing each image more stable than the last |
| 05:35.29 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:38.51 | kergoth | jeeze handhelds.org is slow tonight |
| 05:40.22 | Twiun | yo |
| 05:40.29 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 06:15.20 | kennyj | breaking my zaurus GOOOOOOOD *does the hand wave thing* |
| 06:15.33 | kennyj | later people |
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| 07:03.03 | kergoth | woot. |
| 07:03.07 | kergoth | uploading the new image |
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| 11:51.39 | HCl | or was it nolock.. |
| 11:52.38 | Shdwdrgn | hey did anyone happen to see my post on the forum about my solution for the shutdown problem? All of the sbin directories have been removed from path, and when I added /sbin back in again I was able to use the shutdown button with no problem (OZ rc3.1) |
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| 11:56.50 | yeiazel | HCl: nolock |
| 11:57.34 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: the solutions is known for a long time :) |
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| 11:58.01 | yeiazel | s/tions/tion/ |
| 11:58.59 | HCl | mmm. |
| 11:59.08 | HCl | hmmz |
| 11:59.19 | HCl | does anybody know a proper movie player for oz |
| 11:59.36 | HCl | undefined symbols :/ |
| 12:01.09 | mithro | hey everyone! |
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| 12:02.21 | HCl | anyone? |
| 12:02.35 | HCl | :/ |
| 12:03.47 | HCl | x.x |
| 12:07.30 | Shdwdrgn | yeiazel: it has been? I was here Tuesday evening, and was told the solution was to pull down all the update files, which sometimes worked and sometimes made the Z non-bootable. Nobody told me a thing abount fixing the path. |
| 12:07.54 | mithro | hrm i'm getting this error |
| 12:08.08 | mithro | QPopupMenu: (StartPopupMenu) Popup has invalid menu item |
| 12:08.34 | Shdwdrgn | MITHRO! |
| 12:08.39 | mithro | Shdwdrgn! |
| 12:08.41 | Shdwdrgn | what are you doing here? <grin> |
| 12:08.43 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: who has answered this ? |
| 12:08.44 | mithro | i have a SL-C700 :) |
| 12:08.54 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: kill this person |
| 12:09.10 | Shdwdrgn | yeiazel: sorry, don;t remember who specifically... that was the only answer I got though |
| 12:09.35 | Shdwdrgn | hmm... although kergoth was in the channel at the time... let's kill him :-) |
| 12:09.37 | HCl | mmm |
| 12:09.41 | HCl | no video output... sound.. |
| 12:09.42 | yeiazel | as soon as the problem was discovered, the answer was there :) |
| 12:10.07 | Shdwdrgn | mithro: SL-5500 here... finally got a lexar 256M SD card, got the sandisk returned... things are working MUCH better now. |
| 12:10.51 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: better ? sandisk was slow ? or did you "only" got problems ? |
| 12:11.36 | HCl | anyone any experience with mplayer on the zaurus? |
| 12:12.55 | mithro | anyone know about the StartPopupMenu problem? |
| 12:13.13 | Twiun | there's a problem? |
| 12:13.41 | mithro | it just outputs those messages and qpe dies |
| 12:14.08 | Shdwdrgn | yeiazel: sandisk was hosed from the start... formatted as etx2, it would lose multiple files every time I rebooted. Also had bad blocks develop after only a couple days use. |
| 12:14.35 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: okay |
| 12:14.42 | yeiazel | then mine works well |
| 12:14.42 | Shdwdrgn | by the end of the week it wouldn't work at all under ext2 or fat |
| 12:14.42 | yeiazel | :) |
| 12:14.52 | Twiun | mithro: ah. no, never seen those |
| 12:15.00 | yeiazel | it's just a little slow, wanted to know if it's 'coz it's a sandisk |
| 12:15.45 | Shdwdrgn | yeiazel: I never had a chance to check the speed, and it didn't work well enough to even make a judgement call...sorry |
| 12:15.46 | HCl | hmm |
| 12:16.09 | yeiazel | Shdwdrgn: ok :) |
| 12:17.30 | mithro | beep? |
| 12:21.36 | HCl | anyone awake who can help me with mplayer? theres no video output... only when you skip ahead it shows one frame |
| 12:21.49 | HCl | tassian: awake? |
| 12:22.56 | Twiun | HCl: sorry, no idea - not used the Z to play videos yet |
| 12:23.02 | HCl | np.. |
| 12:23.09 | HCl | just searching for someone who does :/ |
| 12:23.15 | Twiun | mind you, the buzzer dsp is nifty :) |
| 12:23.23 | Twiun | ibot: seen noda |
| 12:23.23 | | noda <~noda@modemcable063.97-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 8h 4m 39s ago, saying: 'Ah well. I said I have to sleep, I MEANT I have to--- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'. |
| 12:27.37 | HCl | meh :/ |
| 12:31.35 | mithro | HCl: i read somewhere about it |
| 12:31.41 | mithro | you try the mailing list? |
| 12:31.49 | HCl | not yet |
| 12:31.54 | HCl | i prefer talking to people |
| 12:32.04 | mithro | i belive there was some discussion about it on the list |
| 12:32.15 | mithro | check the archives |
| 12:33.11 | tassian | HCl: Hi, I'm here now. Sorry, was AFK. |
| 12:33.40 | tassian | You need help with mplayer or op2? |
| 12:34.31 | mithro | Yep... Mplayer, or more specificly libavcodec, is broken. |
| 12:34.31 | mithro | We build from cvs, so we're at the mercy of the developers of that project. |
| 12:34.32 | mithro | I hope it gets fixed soon, but until then we have no mplayer, or xmms-e. |
| 12:35.28 | mithro | thats from the mailing list |
| 12:36.01 | Twiun | mithro: so we're using HEAD as opposed to any other specific cvs version? |
| 12:36.32 | mithro | Twiun: i have no idea, i'm just quoting the mailing list |
| 12:38.29 | Twiun | mithro: oh :) |
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| 12:45.43 | mithro | i wish they would hurry up and build some new c700 images |
| 12:46.37 | Twiun | they? I think only kergoth makes those images and he's pretty much overloaded as it is |
| 12:47.00 | Twiun | I don't think there are that many developers with c700s in any case |
| 12:47.19 | mithro | well if i new how to get this buildroot working properly i could create some... |
| 12:47.53 | mithro | it dies in many places |
| 12:48.04 | mithro | currently fighting with qt |
| 12:48.26 | Twiun | what's your dev system? |
| 12:48.33 | jima | pity...i know a guy who's hell-bent on getting a c700, but is waiting 'til oz gets ported :( |
| 12:48.36 | Twiun | my buildroot works flawlessly :) |
| 12:48.57 | Twiun | jima: volunteers will always be welcome *g* |
| 12:49.20 | jima | twiun, heh, i know it |
| 12:50.05 | jima | alas, i'm more of a sysadmin than a developer. |
| 12:50.44 | Twiun | so was I... about 2.5 years ago :) |
| 12:50.47 | Twiun | everything's possible |
| 12:50.57 | mithro | debian woody |
| 12:51.16 | jima | i also have no real desire to be a developer ;) |
| 12:51.33 | Twiun | jima: blasphemy! |
| 12:51.42 | jima | once my boss got wind of it, he'd have me hacking code...no thank you. |
| 12:51.57 | Twiun | mithro: gcc version? |
| 12:52.04 | mithro | 2.95.3 |
| 12:52.21 | mithro | and no i'm not going to 3.2 :) |
| 12:52.28 | Twiun | mithro: and do you have the 2.95.3 toolchain from the oz website? |
| 12:52.38 | jima | don't get me wrong, i give feedback to developers, and have even submitted patches |
| 12:53.22 | mithro | can i paste here? |
| 12:53.29 | jima | nooooooo |
| 12:53.32 | jima | :) |
| 12:53.34 | mithro | Twiun: yeah |
| 12:53.35 | jima | (like i care.) |
| 12:53.57 | mithro | Twiun: yeah both normal and xcompiler |
| 12:54.02 | mithro | Twiun: to #flood ? |
| 12:54.09 | Twiun | mithro: 3 to 4 lines is acceptable, #flood otherwise |
| 13:01.37 | mithro | the wonders of apt-get |
| 13:01.54 | mithro | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 13:01.55 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.55 | mithro | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 13:01.55 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.02 | mithro | didn't even have libjpeg62 installed |
| 13:02.21 | mithro | how long does a buildroot normally take for you? |
| 13:02.32 | Twiun | a full one? |
| 13:02.38 | mithro | yeah |
| 13:02.45 | Twiun | about 14 hours |
| 13:02.48 | mithro | took about 2-3 hours to getup to qt |
| 13:02.59 | Twiun | hence why I do that sparingly |
| 13:03.01 | mithro | Twiun: cpu speed? |
| 13:03.20 | Twiun | mithro: 1.2GHz athlon, 768m ram |
| 13:03.37 | Twiun | mithro: as a measurement, kernels usually take me 15mins |
| 13:03.42 | mithro | hrm mines a 1.7GHZ athlon with 768m ram |
| 13:03.52 | mithro | kernels take me like 5 minus |
| 13:03.56 | jima | apt-get is a great thing :) |
| 13:03.58 | mithro | s/minus/mins |
| 13:04.21 | mithro | buildroot doesn't like "make -j4" :( |
| 13:04.41 | C-Howells | Compiling Qt is slow because compiling C++ is slow unfortunately |
| 13:04.57 | mithro | which version of libpng do i want? |
| 13:05.11 | Twiun | mithro: whichever is current I suppose |
| 13:05.18 | C-Howells | mithro: libpng12 apparently |
| 13:05.19 | mithro | which do you have installed? |
| 13:15.18 | mithro | qt compiled okay |
| 13:15.55 | mithro | downloading qt-embedded |
| 13:23.13 | mithro | downloading opie |
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| 13:39.44 | mithro | Twiun: you still alive? |
| 13:43.44 | mithro | i guess not |
| 13:44.37 | Twiun | mithro: I am, but I'm on the phone |
| 13:45.25 | mithro | ahh okay :) |
| 13:45.32 | mithro | i'm up to utils-linux |
| 13:46.03 | mickeyl | then you nearly got it through :-D no errors yet? lucky one |
| 13:46.18 | mithro | no errors after Twuin helpped me out |
| 13:46.36 | mithro | Twiun: will "make" create a flash image or do i have to do a make image? |
| 13:48.09 | Twiun | mithro: depends on wether you selected the option in menuconfig |
| 13:48.39 | mickeyl | make never will create a flash image |
| 13:48.52 | mickeyl | make image_menuconfig; make image |
| 13:49.12 | mithro | i just copied across the collie config file and manually editied it |
| 13:49.29 | mithro | the collie-opie one |
| 13:49.42 | mickeyl | are we talking about collie-opie or collie-opie.image ? |
| 13:49.47 | mickeyl | two different configurations |
| 13:50.14 | mickeyl | .config in root is for the packages to build, .config in output is for what packages to include in the image |
| 13:50.16 | mithro | whats the diffrence? |
| 13:57.47 | mithro | so once i have finished make i do a makae image? |
| 14:04.34 | tassian | HCl: You still there? |
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| 14:15.18 | icefox | Moin |
| 14:15.31 | jima | morning |
| 14:19.57 | troffasky | afternoon |
| 14:22.33 | HCl | tassian: i am now |
| 14:22.51 | HCl | tassian: could you help me a bit with getting an mpeg4 player to work on the zaurus |
| 14:23.11 | HCl | mplayer doesnt show video.. only when you skip ahead.. and the image is too big |
| 14:24.42 | numatrix | HCl: what videos are you trying? one in particular, or many? |
| 14:24.51 | tassian | HCl: same here. I solved that by creating videos with the correct resolution. |
| 14:25.01 | HCl | tassian: hmm |
| 14:25.07 | tassian | e.g. a 1:2.35 aspect ratio movie should be 320x136 |
| 14:25.09 | HCl | numatrix: er, the others atm |
| 14:25.26 | HCl | tassian: so erm... i should resize my movies? O.o |
| 14:25.45 | HCl | any handy commandline linux tools for that? :s |
| 14:25.54 | tassian | HCl: I'm afraid so. If the Z doesn't have to scale the movies, it really saves a lot of CPU. |
| 14:26.10 | HCl | yea |
| 14:26.13 | HCl | i can imagine that |
| 14:26.17 | tassian | Yes, use mencoder that comes with mplayer or transcode. I can give you the line for mencoder if you want to encode a 1:2.35 DVD. |
| 14:26.27 | HCl | hmm |
| 14:26.34 | HCl | please o.o |
| 14:26.40 | tassian | Ok, hang on... |
| 14:28.19 | mithro | loading conf file /opt/arm/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/etc/ipkg.conf |
| 14:28.20 | mithro | ipkg: *** Couldnt kill old gunzip process *** aborting |
| 14:28.20 | mithro | make[1]: *** [/opt/arm/buildroot-oz/output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-common.control] Error 1 |
| 14:28.20 | mithro | make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/arm/buildroot-oz/output' |
| 14:28.20 | mithro | ? |
| 14:29.13 | mithro | whats happening? |
| 14:31.05 | C-Howells | mithro: You've got that mkfs.jffs2 or whatever it's called installed? |
| 14:31.16 | tassian | mencoder -vop eq=20:0,crop=320:136:0:22,scale=320:180:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=209:vhq:vpass=1 -nosound -dvd 1 -alang en -o /dev/null && mencoder -vop eq=20:0,crop=320:136:0:22,scale=320:180:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=209:vhq:vpass=2 -srate 22050 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=64:abr:vol=6 -dvd 1 -alang en -o output.avi |
| 14:31.28 | tassian | HCl: I use the line above with mencoder. |
| 14:31.43 | HCl | ok..... o.o |
| 14:31.54 | HCl | now i have to adjust that to eat .avis instead of dvds |
| 14:31.58 | HCl | thanks |
| 14:32.27 | tassian | That shouldn't be a problem. You probably don't have to crop anymore but only scale. |
| 14:32.40 | HCl | hmmm. |
| 14:32.40 | tassian | Shall I explain it shortly? It's rather easy. |
| 14:32.46 | HCl | please, if you have time |
| 14:32.52 | tassian | NP. |
| 14:32.55 | mithro | C-Howells: yeah |
| 14:33.02 | tassian | -vop: Video Output Processing |
| 14:33.19 | tassian | eq=20:0 makes the whole image a little lighter so that the display is nicer on the Z. |
| 14:34.06 | tassian | crop=320:136:0:22 cuts away the letterbox bars of the 16:9 image (the one that you get when you scale to 320x180). |
| 14:34.21 | tassian | This is only necessary for 1:2.35 DVDs. |
| 14:34.26 | HCl | hmm |
| 14:34.47 | tassian | In your case, you already have an AVI with the correct aspect ratio, right? |
| 14:35.16 | tassian | If that is the case, simply leave out the "crop=..." option. |
| 14:35.43 | tassian | Just make sure that you keep the correct aspect ratio when doing "scale=320:....". |
| 14:36.02 | tassian | E.g. if you AVI is originally 4:3, you would simply use "scale=320:240:0:0" |
| 14:36.25 | mithro | C-Howells: any other idea? |
| 14:36.35 | tassian | If it is 16:9, use "scale=320:180:0:0" and for a DVD-rip use "scale=320:136:0:0". |
| 14:36.44 | HCl | mmhmm |
| 14:36.57 | HCl | ok ^^ |
| 14:36.57 | tassian | Ok, now to the other options: |
| 14:37.27 | C-Howells | mithro: nope, I've never successfully built Opie myself yet ;) |
| 14:38.07 | tassian | "-ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=209:vhq:vpass=1" tells mencoder to use lavcodec's mpeg4 codec at a bitrate of 209 kbps in very high quality (vhq) for the first pass (vpass=1). |
| 14:38.07 | mithro | Twiun: any idea? |
| 14:38.32 | HCl | ok o.o |
| 14:38.44 | tassian | -nosound tells mencoder to not care for the sound in the first pass and to put the output to /dev/null. |
| 14:38.57 | tassian | same for the video (-o /dev/null). |
| 14:38.57 | HCl | mhmm |
| 14:39.24 | tassian | Ok, the second pass is the same for the video part (except that you tell mencoder that the second pass is running : "vpass=2"). |
| 14:39.33 | tassian | (same as the first pass.) |
| 14:39.41 | HCl | ok, i understand |
| 14:39.43 | tassian | Now comes the sound part: |
| 14:40.11 | tassian | For saving space it is good to resample sound to 22050 Hz (-srate 22050). |
| 14:40.22 | mithro | tassian: could you put this in a sh script? |
| 14:40.30 | HCl | haha @ mithro :p |
| 14:40.42 | HCl | mithro: ill make one to convert normal divx to zaurus playable |
| 14:41.58 | Twiun | mithro: no, no ideas - I don't get any problems building stuff |
| 14:42.08 | HCl | tassian: and the encoder and bitrate... whats abr.. |
| 14:42.12 | tassian | "-oac mp3lame -lameopts br=64:abr:vol=6" tells mencoder to use lame for encoding the sound to mp3 at 64kbps as average bitrate (abr) (absolutely sufficient at 22050 Hz). It also amplifies sound "vol=6" because otherwise the sound tends to be too silent. |
| 14:42.20 | HCl | volume and the final output file.. |
| 14:42.30 | HCl | average bitrate.. ah.. |
| 14:42.31 | HCl | ok |
| 14:42.33 | HCl | :) |
| 14:42.34 | HCl | thanks |
| 14:42.56 | tassian | :-) |
| 14:43.08 | HCl | maybe i should test run on some of my anime first as that goes faster.. |
| 14:43.19 | mithro | anyone know where to get a mic/headphones which fit in the sl-c700 port? |
| 14:43.21 | tassian | mithro: I can put this in a shell-script if you like. |
| 14:43.44 | tassian | HCl: BTW: there's a good way of determining the Videobitrate. |
| 14:43.46 | mithro | Twiun: i downloaded opie-common and replaced the built one and it worked |
| 14:43.56 | tassian | http://www.icon.co.za/~thief/stuff/divx/divx.html |
| 14:44.23 | HCl | :) |
| 14:44.24 | HCl | nice |
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| 14:44.30 | tassian | Go there and enter the exact length of the AVI that you want to encode. Set the audio bitrate to 64 and chose an appropriate filesize. |
| 14:44.55 | HCl | hmmm |
| 14:44.58 | HCl | mencoder is pretty fast.. |
| 14:45.01 | HCl | 88fps |
| 14:45.06 | tassian | Then submit the values and use the DivX4 value as bitrate. I believe that video bitrates between 180 and 250 are good. |
| 14:45.21 | HCl | ill try it out, thanks :) |
| 14:45.35 | tassian | I got my "Charlie's Angels" DVD into a 230 MB AVI. :-) |
| 14:46.31 | Twiun | mithro: that's cheating :) |
| 14:46.54 | mithro | Twiun: it worked :) |
| 14:47.01 | mithro | now to see if this image actually works in the sl-c700 |
| 14:47.18 | mithro | it would be ubber cool if it does |
| 14:47.26 | HCl | tassian: nice |
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| 14:50.30 | mithro | where does the buildroot put the kernel? |
| 14:53.14 | mithro | hrm found it |
| 14:53.53 | mithro | soon find out how well this worked :) |
| 14:56.07 | tassian | mithro: This is really exciting. How is the c700's keyboard? Do you like it? |
| 14:57.01 | mithro | arg s/zImage/zImage.bin |
| 14:57.08 | mithro | o well it appears to be working |
| 14:57.13 | mithro | tassian: yeah it's pretty cool |
| 14:57.29 | mithro | still slightly too small to touch type easily on |
| 14:57.45 | mithro | but its definatley a better 2-3 finger pad |
| 14:58.04 | mithro | printing out lots of little .'s |
| 14:58.24 | mithro | how long does reconfigure normally take? |
| 14:58.45 | mithro | i now have a oz login |
| 14:59.32 | mithro | didn't work :( |
| 15:02.01 | tassian | mithro: hm. that's unfortunate. -( |
| 15:02.08 | tassian | s/-(/:-(/ |
| 15:02.42 | treke|home | dont think opie works on c700 yet |
| 15:02.58 | mithro | according to kerben it does |
| 15:03.18 | mithro | still has lots of "quirks" though |
| 15:03.21 | treke|home | well then, you probably did it wrong :) |
| 15:03.33 | mithro | treke|home: yeah i'm thinking i have :) |
| 15:06.01 | mithro | how does one get ipkg to list broken deps? |
| 15:09.06 | mithro | i have a welcome to opie screen! |
| 15:09.33 | mithro | however the touch screen doesn't work :( |
| 15:09.54 | mithro | anyone know how to skip the config screen? |
| 15:11.08 | mithro | hrm opie uses tslib? |
| 15:12.05 | treke|home | it does on the c700 |
| 15:12.42 | mithro | ahh... |
| 15:13.05 | mithro | which part of opie handles tslib bit? |
| 15:18.27 | HCl | YAY1 |
| 15:18.35 | HCl | tassian: works :D |
| 15:18.43 | Klu5ter | 'lo all |
| 15:24.34 | mithro | btw does opie handle mp3's that arn't encoded at "standard" bit rates? |
| 15:27.31 | treke|home | probably |
| 15:28.39 | mithro | the sharp one doesn't like mine mp3s which are encoded at really crap quality |
| 15:33.52 | jima | HCl: http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 15:34.10 | jima | ibot: c700 is http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
| 15:34.11 | | ...but c700 is already something else... |
| 15:34.17 | jima | ibot: c700? |
| 15:34.18 | | from memory, c700 is http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 15:34.24 | jima | ah, okay :) |
| 15:34.44 | jima | someone thought ahead :) |
| 15:36.03 | mithro | now i just need to figure out how to get the touch screen to work... |
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| 15:47.52 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:48.33 | numatrix | hey, Harlekin. |
| 15:48.37 | Harlekin | hi numatrix |
| 15:49.00 | numatrix | How goes it? |
| 15:49.13 | numatrix | Harlekin: you just missed it. Someone in here had a lot of opie media player questions. |
| 15:49.18 | ljp_work | hey, numatrix! how's that styrofoam desk holding up? |
| 15:49.49 | numatrix | ljp_work: ;-) Believe it or not, someone was actually using it when I came in the office yesterday. |
| 15:49.55 | numatrix | I finally stood up for myself and told them to get another desk. |
| 15:50.04 | numatrix | So maybe this desk won't get stolen as much. |
| 15:50.15 | Harlekin | numatrix: like what? |
| 15:50.19 | ljp_work | Harlekin: yesterday, someone was telling me op2 does not find audio/video files on his cf, but works on sd, and docs tab finds the cf ones |
| 15:50.28 | numatrix | ibot: styrofoam is useful for lots of things, see styrofoam desk |
| 15:50.29 | | numatrix: okay |
| 15:50.31 | Harlekin | ljp_work: strange |
| 15:50.39 | ljp_work | thats what I said |
| 15:50.44 | numatrix | ibot: styrofoam desk is what happens when you're pushed too far, or http://psifertex.com/gallery/mydesk |
| 15:50.44 | | okay, numatrix |
| 15:50.58 | mithro | actually it appears you don't use tslib on a C700 |
| 15:51.33 | numatrix | ljp_work: I found out the desk has a very convienant zaurus holder, actually. I'm considering tunnelling the power cable into the styrofoam so I can just set the zaurus in the little recess and have it charge and the screen be viewable. |
| 15:52.38 | jima | hey, that's my laptop! :P |
| 15:53.10 | ljp_work | that desk has a convient holder for everything, possibly! |
| 15:53.49 | numatrix | ljp_work: exactly. quite versatile |
| 15:54.37 | jima | funny, i've got that laptop, with that os :) |
| 15:55.21 | jima | (although i rarely use that release...) |
| 15:57.06 | icefox | haha you even made yourself a cube, how cute |
| 15:58.22 | jima | that's great :) |
| 15:59.23 | numatrix | jima: I already tried that two days ago. No go. ;-) |
| 15:59.38 | jima | bastards. that'd be a good link. :) |
| 16:00.01 | numatrix | icefox: Another guy in the office started building the walls, though I took them down before I left since I didn't want to get anybody actually mad over it. |
| 16:00.13 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:00.21 | numatrix | Anyway, I'm still using the desk now though. Works pretty well. Though it could use a foot rest. |
| 16:00.43 | numatrix | ok, brb, heading back to my other job and my real desk... |
| 16:01.21 | mithro | anyone who had recently joined know how to get the touch screen to work under opie of a SL-C700? |
| 16:04.07 | HCl | hmmm |
| 16:04.11 | HCl | tassian: still around? |
| 16:05.02 | HCl | tassian: for 1:2.35 aspect movies, should i add the crop option? |
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| 16:07.36 | kergoth`zzz | mithro: theres no way to do it without tslib, and the tslib qt/e support needs tender loving care |
| 16:08.20 | HCl | hey kergoth |
| 16:08.26 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:08.29 | HCl | how goes |
| 16:08.33 | kergoth | anyone fucked with the new image yet? |
| 16:08.36 | kergoth | not bad, still waking up |
| 16:08.39 | kergoth | need coffee |
| 16:08.41 | HCl | hehe |
| 16:11.11 | yeiazel | kergoth: new image ? |
| 16:11.31 | mithro | kergoth! |
| 16:11.40 | mithro | kergoth: whats that really mean :) |
| 16:12.28 | mithro | kergoth: new image? |
| 16:13.01 | mithro | i manage to build my own image for sl-c700 only the touch screen doesn't work, is it just not finished yet? |
| 16:13.34 | huhhhh | i got my browser refreshed on the experimental directory and found one :) |
| 16:15.19 | kergoth | mithro: its not finished yet. |
| 16:15.29 | kergoth | mithro: if it was finished, images would be available publically. |
| 16:15.32 | kergoth | yeiazel: read the topic. |
| 16:15.36 | kergoth | huhhhh: bingo |
| 16:15.48 | mithro | kergoth: so no touch screen support is lacking atm? |
| 16:15.48 | ccamp | h000000000000000 |
| 16:15.50 | yeiazel | kergoth: oh, didn't see |
| 16:16.05 | kergoth | mithro: i just fucking explained this. |
| 16:16.08 | mithro | is there a way to bypass the touch screen calibration stuff? |
| 16:16.10 | kergoth | 1) you must use tslib |
| 16:16.16 | kergoth | 2) the qt/e tslib patch needs tweaking |
| 16:16.25 | kergoth | conclusion: it doesnt fucking work. |
| 16:16.31 | kergoth | wow, logic. |
| 16:16.33 | mithro | kergoth: okay :) |
| 16:16.59 | mithro | needs tweaking doesn't necessarly mean doesn't totally work |
| 16:17.13 | kergoth | and it does work |
| 16:17.15 | kergoth | just not properly |
| 16:17.19 | mithro | o? |
| 16:17.25 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:17.28 | kergoth | once again, you must use tslib. |
| 16:17.31 | mithro | i'm not getting anything from the screen |
| 16:17.36 | kergoth | you must enable tslib and build qt with stslib support. |
| 16:17.39 | mithro | kergoth: yeah i did start with tslib |
| 16:17.46 | kergoth | well fuck if i know then. |
| 16:17.51 | mithro | hrm... |
| 16:17.54 | kergoth | fix the patch yourself. otherwise you can wait. |
| 16:17.57 | mithro | i'll have a little more play |
| 16:18.04 | kergoth | theres a reason it isnt released. |
| 16:18.35 | treke | morning |
| 16:18.40 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 16:18.42 | treke | is it 5 yet? |
| 16:18.45 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 16:18.51 | kergoth | heh, i wish |
| 16:19.46 | mithro | kergoth: i know that it isn't release which is why i'm not running around screaming that it doesn't but i would like to help out with development not just testing... which means getting feet wet... |
| 16:20.15 | kergoth | mithro: vi build/qt-2.3.4/src/kernel/qwsmouse_qws.cpp |
| 16:20.19 | kergoth | mithro: /TSLib |
| 16:20.23 | kergoth | mithro: have fun :) |
| 16:20.27 | Twiun | kergoth: lol |
| 16:20.31 | HCl | hmmm |
| 16:21.04 | mithro | wouldn't happen to know a way to find out whats going to the console when qt is running? |
| 16:21.15 | kergoth | run syslog. |
| 16:21.25 | kergoth | all the messages from opie get sent there if its running |
| 16:21.29 | kergoth | otherwise > /dev/null |
| 16:22.45 | Klu5ter | kergoth: how do I turn on logging on the z or if it's already turned on where are the files? |
| 16:23.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.08 | mithro | any idea how i view the syslog messages if i can't get past the cal screen? |
| 16:23.10 | kergoth | like i just told mithro here |
| 16:23.11 | kergoth | start syslog |
| 16:23.18 | Klu5ter | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:23.28 | kergoth | mithro: remove the opie rc2.d link before building the image. |
| 16:23.37 | kergoth | mithro: then it'll only start when you start it manually |
| 16:23.41 | mithro | okay cool |
| 16:23.50 | kergoth | and i dont feel like holding people's hands today, this is a fucking unix machine. it behaves like one |
| 16:24.47 | ccamp | 11:25, ive already had 3 cups of coffee |
| 16:24.53 | ccamp | and now its ctime for dew |
| 16:26.02 | Twiun | wtf? wonka spends all its time in nanosleep for some bizarre reason... |
| 16:26.27 | Twiun | Nope, no sign of life :( |
| 16:26.54 | jima | that had to hurt... |
| 16:27.15 | Twiun | had to be sure |
| 16:36.07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:36.48 | treke | if you have a question, ask in channel. Dont message me when I have said absolutly nothing on the topic |
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| 16:38.01 | mithro | the correct way to start opie is "qpe" right? |
| 16:38.05 | kergoth | no |
| 16:38.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.11 | kergoth | this is a _unix_ machine |
| 16:38.12 | treke | the correct way is /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 16:38.18 | kergoth | it uses SysV init scripts |
| 16:38.40 | mithro | kergoth: most applications don't use init scripts to start them, only daemons tend to do that |
| 16:39.34 | kergoth | mithro: opie isnt like most applications |
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| 16:39.40 | treke | any application that gets started at boot up tends to use an init script |
| 16:39.46 | tzanger | Does anyone know if the NetGear MA701 is compatible with OpenZaurus? |
| 16:39.48 | kergoth | its a gui environment. closer to X than a normal app |
| 16:39.51 | kergoth | tzanger: should work fine |
| 16:39.57 | mithro | treke: they could use inittab |
| 16:40.35 | treke | mithro: they could if they wanted to be broken |
| 16:40.49 | kergoth | well, inittab would be nice, except its not flexible enough |
| 16:40.58 | kergoth | the proper method is coming |
| 16:40.59 | kergoth | mithro: you can |
| 16:41.08 | kergoth | but opie and qt/e dont handle vt swtiching very well |
| 16:41.12 | kergoth | needs some sligth fixing |
| 16:41.16 | mithro | how do you switch between them? |
| 16:41.43 | mithro | fn+shft+1/2/3 ? (i assuming custom kernel needed?) |
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| 16:42.44 | kergoth | theres no key combination bound to it |
| 16:42.51 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 16:42.52 | kergoth | create a kernel keymap that does so and load it |
| 16:45.51 | mithro | hrm syslog should log to /var/log? because i'm not seeing any logs.... |
| 16:46.21 | kergoth | run logread |
| 16:46.23 | mithro | (yes i have started syslog...) |
| 16:46.27 | kergoth | it logs to a 64k shared memory buffer |
| 16:46.37 | kergoth | then we dont havge to worry about log cycling |
| 16:46.46 | mithro | sounds like a good idea |
| 16:47.00 | mithro | hrm fn+sht+c should == ctrl-c right? |
| 16:47.11 | kergoth | not afaik. |
| 16:47.19 | kergoth | this is sharp's default kernel keymap, and it blows goats |
| 16:47.21 | kergoth | its horrible |
| 16:47.32 | mithro | how do i get ctrl-c under oz? |
| 16:47.58 | mithro | fn+c doesn't work either |
| 16:47.59 | kergoth | you dont |
| 16:48.01 | kergoth | not in console |
| 16:48.06 | kergoth | this is _sharps_ keymap |
| 16:48.08 | kergoth | blame their idiocy |
| 16:48.17 | kergoth | I havent had time to write us a proper keymap |
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| 16:48.36 | icefox | sharp do something less then perfect? Never! |
| 16:48.37 | mithro | looks like it'll be my first thing to do... |
| 16:48.51 | treke | or wasting gege |
| 16:49.03 | kergoth | mithro: mallum did a X keymap that reproduces the proper behavior from qtopia |
| 16:49.06 | treke | now icefox can say what he really thinks :) |
| 16:49.09 | kergoth | mithro: could use it as a guide for the kernel keymap |
| 16:49.15 | mithro | okay |
| 16:49.43 | icefox | treke: why do you think I went back to my hacker nick a few months ago? |
| 16:49.44 | mithro | shared memory buffers arn't persistant accross reboots? |
| 16:50.04 | treke | icefox: good plan :) |
| 16:50.59 | treke | kergoth: which tool chain should I be using. oz-1 or oz-1.1? |
| 16:51.26 | mithro | kergoth: okay, if i get a good one working where should i post it? |
| 16:51.29 | treke | oz-1 look like it has a more recent binutils |
| 16:51.34 | treke | but 1.1 is a newer file |
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| 16:51.58 | tzanger | kergoth: how about the Sandisk low power 802.11 card? |
| 16:52.52 | tzanger | is it just Socket's low power card? |
| 16:53.12 | kergoth | treke: -1 has a newer binutils already, that breaks when you try to compile a kernel with it |
| 16:53.20 | mithro | kergoth: sorry if i'm being annoying but i really would like to help out.... |
| 16:53.27 | treke | so 1.1 is what I should use? |
| 16:54.13 | kergoth | mithro: email it to openzaurus-devel |
| 16:54.14 | kergoth | treke: yes |
| 16:54.22 | mithro | okay i'll do that |
| 16:54.27 | mithro | see ya all... |
| 16:54.27 | treke | ok. Just wanted to make sure I used the right one :) |
| 16:54.33 | mithro | thanks for the help... |
| 16:54.57 | kergoth | Klu5ter: time to breathe.. only once in a while ;) |
| 16:55.26 | Twiun | kergoth: how about using this in OZ code? |
| 16:55.29 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:55.40 | Twiun | talk about useless error handling |
| 16:55.43 | treke | I prefer |
| 16:55.54 | treke | ***BUG***: SEE HELL FOR DETAILS |
| 16:56.36 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:57.21 | chouimat | ****BUG**** YOU'RE LUCKY YOU JUST FOUND AN UNDOCUMENTED FEATURES. |
| 16:57.52 | kergoth | ~fishslap chouimat |
| 16:57.54 | | ACTION slaps chouimat up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:58.17 | kergoth | man i love patcher. it makes my life so much easier |
| 16:58.24 | treke | hehe |
| 16:58.27 | treke | patcher is cool |
| 16:58.36 | kergoth | treke: you know you can make buildroot use it |
| 16:58.46 | treke | cool |
| 16:58.48 | kergoth | treke: then you can go into build, use patcher to edit and change and regen the patch |
| 16:58.51 | kergoth | then copy it back to packages/blah/ |
| 16:58.53 | kergoth | and rebuild |
| 16:58.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:59.01 | treke | nifty |
| 16:59.12 | treke | that would have been nice. A couple months ago :) |
| 16:59.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:00.22 | treke | hmmm. wonder how wise ti would be to compile gcc with optimizations :) |
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| 17:02.40 | pb_ | treke: should be safe enough. standard gcc build uses -O2 for everything bar stage 1 anyway. |
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| 17:04.10 | aman | kergoth hows stuff going |
| 17:04.15 | kergoth | well |
| 17:04.16 | kergoth | new image is up |
| 17:04.22 | aman | i saw that |
| 17:04.30 | kergoth | with on the fly rotation, and the "aqpkg thinks the package is installed when the install failed" bug is fixed |
| 17:05.01 | aman | cool |
| 17:05.42 | kergoth | still no reports of new bugs |
| 17:05.46 | kergoth | pretty solid atm |
| 17:05.51 | kergoth | almost ready for a final release |
| 17:05.52 | HCl | hmmm |
| 17:06.03 | kergoth | in fact, its almost ready for a _stable_ release instead of testing this time |
| 17:06.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06.12 | HCl | my zaurus froze at least once with the previous image.. |
| 17:06.20 | kergoth | which one? |
| 17:06.26 | kergoth | froze when? how? |
| 17:06.32 | kergoth | can you reproduce it? |
| 17:06.33 | HCl | opie didnt respond anymore |
| 17:06.37 | HCl | nor did ssh |
| 17:06.40 | HCl | dont know.. |
| 17:06.40 | kergoth | what circumstances? |
| 17:06.46 | kergoth | did you suspend/resume while on the cradle? |
| 17:06.53 | kergoth | that'll make it blow up pretty bad |
| 17:06.59 | HCl | messing with mplayer |
| 17:07.02 | HCl | hmm |
| 17:07.03 | kergoth | did you have the AC power unplugged? |
| 17:07.05 | HCl | that could be |
| 17:07.09 | HCl | ac power is plugged in |
| 17:07.10 | kergoth | if it suspended itself.. |
| 17:07.21 | kergoth | well thats the only crash i know of at the moment |
| 17:07.21 | HCl | ill flash the new image soonish |
| 17:07.23 | kergoth | ok |
| 17:07.25 | HCl | and see if thats better.. |
| 17:07.38 | kergoth | and that crash has been around for a long, long time |
| 17:07.51 | kergoth | since before 3.0 eh aman? the mysterious usbd suspend/resume crash? |
| 17:08.03 | kergoth | i think it started when we switched to using ifupdwon to manage it |
| 17:08.13 | kergoth | timing i think, it tries to bring shit up before its ready |
| 17:09.36 | kergoth | wow, ipkg is dogggg slow when i write provides, conflicts, and replaces to status |
| 17:10.05 | kergoth | hey look, it triggered the infinate loop in conffiles1 |
| 17:10.07 | kergoth | ! |
| 17:10.12 | kergoth | baha |
| 17:10.28 | kergoth | have i cursed ipkg yet today? |
| 17:10.30 | kergoth | ~lart ipkg |
| 17:11.20 | kergoth | thats some funny shit |
| 17:11.36 | pb_ | hmm |
| 17:11.39 | pb_ | ~lart gcc 3.2.3 |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | probs? |
| 17:11.50 | pb_ | stupid thing is generating LDM all over the place still. |
| 17:11.55 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:12.01 | pb_ | I thought I fixed that ages ago, but it must have come unfixed somehow |
| 17:12.24 | TomD_ | kergoth: in the latest experimental root image, aqpkg doesn't seem to think anything is installed |
| 17:12.28 | pb_ | also, arm glibc has about twice as many RELATIVE relocs than the i386 version, which is a bit disturbing. that one might be unavoidable though. |
| 17:12.43 | kergoth | TomD_: hmm.. so after ipkg installs it, aqpkg reports its not installed? |
| 17:13.06 | TomD_ | no -- after ipkg installs it, it shows up |
| 17:13.14 | kergoth | what? |
| 17:13.15 | TomD_ | but the stuff that's initially in the image doesn't show up |
| 17:13.22 | kergoth | odd. |
| 17:13.25 | kergoth | do this |
| 17:13.28 | kergoth | ipkg status busybox |
| 17:13.30 | kergoth | paste it |
| 17:13.37 | TomD_ | ok -- standby |
| 17:14.33 | TomD_ | loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:14.35 | TomD_ | Package: busybox |
| 17:14.36 | TomD_ | Version: 0.61.pre-20030327-1 |
| 17:14.38 | TomD_ | Depends: libc6, simpleinit | sysvinit (>= 2.84-8) |
| 17:14.40 | TomD_ | Status: install prefer installed |
| 17:14.53 | kergoth | TomD_: okay, now, do ipkg status on a pakcage that you installed after the fact |
| 17:15.21 | kergoth | paste that as well |
| 17:15.24 | kergoth | aqpkg's parsers suck |
| 17:15.54 | TomD_ | loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:15.56 | TomD_ | Package: libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 17:15.57 | TomD_ | Version: 2.3.4-7 |
| 17:15.59 | TomD_ | Depends: libqt2-emb |
| 17:16.00 | TomD_ | Replaces: qt-embedded-rotation |
| 17:16.02 | TomD_ | Status: install ok installed |
| 17:16.03 | TomD_ | Section: opie/system |
| 17:16.05 | TomD_ | Architecture: arm |
| 17:16.06 | TomD_ | Maintainer: Opie Team <opie@handhelds.org> |
| 17:16.08 | TomD_ | MD5sum: 5451d6c414b75e716a90d783b116185c |
| 17:16.09 | TomD_ | Size: 354284 |
| 17:16.11 | TomD_ | Filename: ./libqt2-emb-fonts_2.3.4-7_arm.ipk |
| 17:16.13 | TomD_ | Description: Qt/Embedded fonts - 0,90,180,270 rotation |
| 17:16.15 | kergoth | errr |
| 17:16.20 | kergoth | ipkg status shows _that_? |
| 17:16.24 | kergoth | ipkg _status_? |
| 17:16.26 | kergoth | not ipkg info? |
| 17:16.32 | TomD_ | yes |
| 17:16.45 | TomD_ | # ipkg status libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 17:16.49 | TomD_ | that was the exact command |
| 17:16.54 | kergoth | TomD_: libqt2-emb-fonts was in the image.. |
| 17:16.57 | kergoth | why would you install it? |
| 17:17.15 | TomD_ | I know -- I just did an "ipkg upgrade" and it upgraded it... that's all I've installed so far |
| 17:17.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:17.34 | kergoth | piece.. of.. shit..! |
| 17:23.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:23.44 | kergoth | eenteresting |
| 17:24.08 | kergoth | yeah, sure shit, pckages installed via offline_root say install prefer installed. wonder why that is |
| 17:25.32 | Klu5ter | kergoth: This is probably a stupid question but I'll take one for the team. How difficult would it be to move away from the ipkg system? I mean I know ipkg is used for damn near everything now but there seems to be soo many issues. |
| 17:25.46 | kergoth | well, theres no real solution other than it. |
| 17:25.54 | kergoth | there's busybox dpkg, but the real apt-get is too heavyweight for apda |
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| 17:32.39 | Harlekin | hi Sythos^work |
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| 17:35.12 | kergoth | well, i found that bug of tomd's |
| 17:35.16 | kergoth | aqpkg being stupid |
| 17:51.43 | treke | kergoth: apt-build is addicting :) |
| 17:52.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:53.31 | kergoth | make -j2 SUBDIRS=nodeps_packages/opie package |
| 17:53.33 | kergoth | ^^spiffy |
| 17:53.44 | kergoth | you bypass its recursion for dependencies |
| 17:53.50 | kergoth | if you already know they're satisfied.. |
| 17:53.59 | treke | cool |
| 17:54.19 | treke | does the -j get passed to child makes? |
| 17:54.28 | kergoth | no, it uses a jobserver |
| 17:54.53 | chouimat | kergoth: the experimental image on the website are useable? |
| 17:54.53 | kergoth | make MAKE="make -j2" makes each make recursion split off 2 |
| 17:55.02 | treke | seems like the extra makes would be better used building the app rather then bulding two apps at once |
| 17:55.45 | kergoth | yeah, not sure how to get that granular with control of the jobserver |
| 17:56.11 | treke | doesnt help too much when everything is on hold waiting for glibc :) |
| 17:56.52 | kergoth | indeed |
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| 18:00.16 | chouimat | kergoth: the gcc2.95.3 toolchains which one is the good one? |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth | oz1.1 |
| 18:00.22 | kergoth | the latest |
| 18:00.56 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I will just take care of the time stamp ;) |
| 18:01.03 | chouimat | add not somewhere |
| 18:01.31 | kergoth | k |
| 18:01.53 | chouimat | kergoth: oz1.1 : 19:49 and oz 1 : 20:09 |
| 18:02.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:03.09 | chouimat | kergoth: so people can have some problem with that |
| 18:03.18 | kergoth | i'll go touch it |
| 18:03.32 | chouimat | kergoth: or just add a link latest |
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| 18:04.03 | kergoth | thats a good idea |
| 18:04.07 | kergoth | latest-2.95.3 |
| 18:04.12 | kergoth | er latest-2.95 |
| 18:04.14 | kergoth | latest-3 |
| 18:04.22 | chouimat | kergoth: the experimental image works well or I keep the image from jan 23? |
| 18:04.45 | kergoth | chouimat: works better than any previous release, minus an aqpkg bug i'm fixing right now |
| 18:05.25 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... bah I will waiting this weekend for hunting an apartment or I will quit Quebec City ... |
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| 18:07.17 | chouimat | kergoth: now I'm lost in experimental :) |
| 18:10.29 | chouimat | mmm that cigar is very good |
| 18:19.25 | treke | whoooops |
| 18:19.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:19.51 | treke | I think I just rebuilt this stuff with gcc 2.95 :) |
| 18:20.04 | kergoth | oh, you were using a gcc3 image? |
| 18:20.22 | treke | no. On my desktop |
| 18:20.27 | kergoth | ohh |
| 18:20.33 | kergoth | oops |
| 18:20.40 | treke | I had moved the gcc symlinks so I could build a gcc 2.95 qt3 ( |
| 18:20.45 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:22.09 | treke | stupid closed source libary didnt like being linked with 3.2 :) |
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| 18:44.21 | tassian | HCl: you here? |
| 18:44.44 | HCl | yea.. i had some speed problems playing the divx back.. |
| 18:45.09 | HCl | i killed opie now.. and reniced mplayer to -20.. |
| 18:45.15 | HCl | seems to work ok for most of the time |
| 18:45.19 | HCl | but it skips sometimes... |
| 18:45.23 | HCl | how do you play it back? |
| 18:46.08 | tassian | With mplayer I simply do "mplayer -fs movie.avi >/dev/null 2>&1" |
| 18:46.17 | HCl | hmmz |
| 18:46.22 | tassian | What resolution does your avi have? |
| 18:46.23 | HCl | not even -framedrop? |
| 18:46.28 | HCl | 320x136 |
| 18:46.30 | HCl | matrix |
| 18:46.47 | tassian | Hm, that should definitely run absolutely smoothly without renicing. |
| 18:47.14 | tassian | I can even keep opie running during playback... |
| 18:47.26 | HCl | hrm |
| 18:47.28 | HCl | oddd |
| 18:47.38 | HCl | its erm |
| 18:47.43 | HCl | faster without -framedrop and renicing |
| 18:47.51 | tassian | lol :-) |
| 18:47.59 | tassian | So it is working now? |
| 18:48.02 | HCl | mm |
| 18:48.15 | HCl | let me try having opie running |
| 18:48.52 | tassian | You should do the >/dev/null 2>&1 because otherwise, mplayer will write output to the terminal which will disrupt the letterbox-bars. |
| 18:49.12 | HCl | yea |
| 18:49.26 | ljp_work | ha! figures-> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/29985.html |
| 18:49.27 | kergoth | heh, they should patch mplayer to be able to allocate a new virtual terminal and switch to it |
| 18:49.41 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:49.46 | tassian | kergoth: :-) |
| 18:50.05 | kergoth | tassian: course even opie doesnt know how to allocate a new vt and switch to it, so i shoudlnt complain too much |
| 18:50.35 | ljp_work | opie knows everything, but prefers not to do that. ;) |
| 18:50.43 | kergoth | bah :) |
| 18:51.16 | ljp_work | do not make opie angry! |
| 18:51.19 | tassian | kergoth: yeah should be a good way to do it. What's still a problem when running mplayer while opie is running as well is the apm-stuff. Opie will turn down the light.:-) |
| 18:51.41 | kergoth | tassian: well, you can use xmms-e |
| 18:51.45 | kergoth | which handles some of that stuff |
| 18:51.49 | kergoth | afaik |
| 18:52.04 | HCl | hmmmm |
| 18:52.23 | tassian | kergoth: I tried but strangely enough, the sound goes twice as fast if I playback an AVI with 22050 Hz and it plays too slow when I use an avi with 44.1 kHz. %-) |
| 18:52.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:52.38 | kergoth | xmms-e is known to be buggy right now |
| 18:52.40 | tassian | I really don't have the faintest idea why. |
| 18:52.42 | kergoth | even its maintainer said so |
| 18:53.01 | HCl | tassian: which mplayer do you use? |
| 18:53.11 | tassian | I was thinking wether or not it would be possible to use opie-sh to draw a completely black screen and then call mplayer. |
| 18:53.36 | tassian | HCl: I use the mplayer that comes with OZ 3.1rc2 (it's in the feed). |
| 18:53.48 | tassian | But I use it on OZ3.1rc3.1. |
| 18:54.14 | tassian | (same with xmms, I use that from OZ3.1rc2-feed as well.) |
| 18:54.19 | HCl | oh... |
| 18:54.29 | HCl | i updated my lists today and couldnt find mplayer in it |
| 18:54.29 | tassian | HCl: which one are you currently using? |
| 18:54.36 | HCl | i downloaded one from killefiz.de |
| 18:54.43 | HCl | pre5 or something |
| 18:54.46 | HCl | 0.90 |
| 18:54.58 | HCl | strangely enough |
| 18:55.02 | HCl | it runs faster without -framedrop |
| 18:55.16 | tassian | have you tried -hardframedrop? |
| 18:55.19 | HCl | yea |
| 18:55.23 | tassian | Same thing? |
| 18:55.27 | HCl | it works smooth now with just plain -fs |
| 18:55.27 | HCl | yea |
| 18:55.40 | tassian | :-) |
| 18:55.57 | tassian | But it's cool to have a 230MB Matrix on the Z. It really rocks! :-) |
| 18:56.45 | killefiz | are there any buildroot docs that I havent found yet? How do I make it fetch new files? I did a bk pull and that fetched a changeset on libpcap - but it doesn't download the the libpcap.tgz it needs to build |
| 18:57.15 | kergoth | 'make' |
| 18:57.21 | kergoth | it obtains sources when it needs them |
| 18:57.23 | kergoth | and not before |
| 18:57.29 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 18:57.29 | killefiz | kergoth: not for me: |
| 18:57.30 | kergoth | enable libpcap |
| 18:57.31 | kergoth | make |
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| 18:57.32 | kergoth | ta da |
| 18:57.38 | kergoth | hey mdz |
| 18:58.55 | killefiz | kergoth: libpcap is activated in .config - running make I get: |
| 18:58.57 | killefiz | install: cannot stat `/home/sven/simpad/buildroot-oz/build/libpcap-0.7.2/libpcap.so.0.7.2': No such file or directory |
| 18:58.59 | mdz_ | kergoth: hi |
| 18:59.13 | killefiz | find | grep libpcap | grep "7.2" returns nothing |
| 18:59.30 | kergoth | killefiz: then the libpcap build is broken. |
| 18:59.34 | kergoth | shit happens |
| 18:59.39 | treke | new feed almost uploaded. bleh |
| 18:59.43 | killefiz | i'll try do turn it off then |
| 18:59.51 | kergoth | we pull sources from debian's package pool, which regularly changes for new versions |
| 19:00.00 | treke | killefiz: make clean and clean-soruces seems to fix it |
| 19:01.00 | chouimat | grrr all sdl apps crash now |
| 19:01.10 | killefiz | kergoth: ok - the package pool explains alot |
| 19:01.26 | kergoth | killefiz: on the plus side, it means we always use recent versions of things |
| 19:01.35 | tassian | Has anyone here tried Crimson Fields on OZ3.1rc3.1 yet? It doesn't want to start on my Z. :-( |
| 19:01.39 | kergoth | killefiz: downside is, the way we know a new version is available, is when they yank the old one and it fails to build |
| 19:01.42 | kergoth | killefiz: hehe |
| 19:02.06 | killefiz | ;) - i'm sure i'll bug you all some more today |
| 19:02.26 | chouimat | tassian: same here |
| 19:03.11 | kergoth | those take a while |
| 19:03.12 | treke | how big is a full ipkg feed? |
| 19:03.21 | chouimat | kergoth: yupdate to experimental and sdl apps crash |
| 19:03.25 | treke | (space taken up by the ipks) |
| 19:03.25 | kergoth | how big.. disk space? or? |
| 19:03.30 | kergoth | chouimat: did you install sdl? |
| 19:03.30 | treke | disk space |
| 19:03.55 | chouimat | kergoth: yup from testing |
| 19:03.56 | kergoth | kergoth@sc8-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/official/unstable/feed$ du -s 2>/dev/null |
| 19:04.00 | kergoth | 232588 . |
| 19:04.01 | kergoth | chouimat: and whats the errro? |
| 19:04.08 | treke | kergoth: shit :0 |
| 19:04.24 | chouimat | kergoth: segfault |
| 19:04.25 | treke | kergoth: will take me longer to upload the feed than it will to compile it :) |
| 19:04.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:04.34 | kergoth | chouimat: gdb. |
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| 19:05.04 | tassian | chouimat: Does it also say something like "SDL: deploying parachut" on your Z? |
| 19:05.21 | chouimat | yes |
| 19:05.49 | treke | kergoth: collie-feed is the full feed config, right? |
| 19:05.57 | kergoth | yeah, iirc |
| 19:06.02 | kergoth | may need updating for new packages though |
| 19:06.05 | treke | alrighty |
| 19:07.45 | kergoth | oh sandman.. i have a bone to pick with you... ;) |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | light & powr doesnt show the increments anymore |
| 19:07.57 | kergoth | its just on or off |
| 19:08.02 | kergoth | had to be his odevice changes |
| 19:08.53 | kergoth | hm, all he changed was button init |
| 19:09.12 | kergoth | odd. |
| 19:09.36 | kergoth | ehh |
| 19:09.47 | kergoth | theres no zaurus lightSensorResolution method! |
| 19:10.30 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 19:10.31 | kergoth | found it |
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| 19:11.00 | kergoth | er, maybe not |
| 19:11.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:11.22 | treke | kergoth: because there is no lightsensor on the zaurus? |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | m_res = ODevice::inst ( )-> displayBrightnessResolution ( ); |
| 19:12.06 | kergoth | it should be working |
| 19:13.29 | tassian | CU later. |
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| 19:14.40 | schurig | Hihi! |
| 19:14.48 | schurig | got my suspend/resume working :-) |
| 19:14.52 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:16.07 | tassian | schurig: You added /sbin to PATH, right? |
| 19:16.41 | kergoth | tassian: he isnt using a zaurus |
| 19:16.50 | tassian | kergoth: oops, sorry, my mistake. |
| 19:16.50 | kergoth | this is a different device |
| 19:21.17 | HCl | oh... who wanted a shellscript that uses mencoder to convert avi files to formats playable on the zaurus |
| 19:21.20 | HCl | ? |
| 19:21.34 | HCl | mithro.. hm.. he left |
| 19:23.14 | Klu5ter | HCl: do you know where one is? |
| 19:23.26 | HCl | yea, i made one o.o |
| 19:23.33 | Klu5ter | 0_o |
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| 19:24.03 | HCl | mostly with tassian's help |
| 19:24.10 | HCl | ill upload it somewhere.. |
| 19:24.16 | Klu5ter | do you have it posted to awebsite cause I'm firewall handicaped here |
| 19:24.23 | HCl | hold.. |
| 19:27.41 | HCl | http://www.snt.utwente.nl/~michiel/ should work |
| 19:27.59 | treke | I imagine 2 gig is gonna be too low for a full build |
| 19:29.25 | HCl | there |
| 19:29.51 | HCl | it requires lame to be compiled with mplayer... and libavcodec.. |
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| 19:37.08 | bipolar | I was up till 4am working on the fiero... I'm so tired |
| 19:37.10 | treke | kergoth: coolness. rotation works just fine |
| 19:37.21 | treke | should have gotten a reliable car |
| 19:37.23 | treke | like a ford |
| 19:38.07 | bipolar | treke: you'd still have to replace the brake pads and shocks on such a car... as if that would help it ride smothly... |
| 19:38.14 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:38.22 | treke | that was a joke :) |
| 19:38.34 | treke | Found On Road Dead |
| 19:38.36 | bipolar | treke: yes it was.... heh |
| 19:38.41 | treke | Fixed Or Repaired Daily |
| 19:38.58 | victorvdl | HCl: Would it help the size much to change the -srate to 11025? |
| 19:39.04 | HCl | victorvdl: not really |
| 19:39.13 | HCl | why, movies get to a pretty acceptable format |
| 19:39.16 | HCl | 260mb for matrix |
| 19:39.18 | bipolar | kergoth: can i use todays date for cvsdate for unstable? |
| 19:39.27 | treke | kergoth: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=959 |
| 19:39.28 | treke | kill! |
| 19:39.30 | kergoth | bipolar: yes, but you never know _what time_ it'll pull |
| 19:39.39 | kergoth | bipolar: comment out cvsdate and it'll use it from _now_ |
| 19:39.46 | bipolar | kergoth: should I just use head f..... ok |
| 19:39.47 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:39.51 | victorvdl | HCl: Ok, fine. |
| 19:40.05 | HCl | you can adjust the video bitrate.. |
| 19:40.13 | HCl | if you really want to shrink it.. |
| 19:40.37 | bipolar | damn.. my tree is botched for some odd reason. got that resync error.. :p |
| 19:40.48 | kergoth | treke: heh, nothing fastastic about that shit, thats what the old ass OZ's were |
| 19:40.51 | kergoth | bipolar: bk resolve |
| 19:40.59 | treke | kergoth: he called it opie rom :) |
| 19:41.02 | treke | kill |
| 19:41.10 | kergoth | oh |
| 19:41.14 | bipolar | ahhh |
| 19:41.15 | frankps | Has anyone tried Zynergy on a 5000D? |
| 19:41.16 | kergoth | ~kill zyergy |
| 19:41.18 | | ACTION slits zyergy's throat |
| 19:41.21 | kergoth | ~kill zynergy |
| 19:41.22 | | ACTION slits zynergy's throat |
| 19:41.23 | bipolar | Will not overwrite edited packages/opie/Makefile |
| 19:41.35 | kergoth | bipolar: bk unedit packages/opie/Makefile |
| 19:41.43 | kergoth | bipolar: you cant pull with uncommitted changes |
| 19:41.46 | kergoth | then bk pull |
| 19:43.21 | numatrix | kergoth: go on, tell us what you really think of zynergy. |
| 19:43.45 | bipolar | ibot: zynergy is a fugly hack |
| 19:43.46 | | bipolar: okay |
| 19:43.49 | kergoth | I think its pointless |
| 19:43.59 | kergoth | and far less flexible than OZ in nearly every way |
| 19:44.06 | victorvdl | :-D |
| 19:44.22 | victorvdl | Well... It's supposed to be a Linux/Java PDA. (Not that I care, but...) |
| 19:44.27 | kergoth | so install jeode |
| 19:44.33 | kergoth | ibot: zsi jeodcreator |
| 19:44.39 | victorvdl | kergoth: Yea, I know |
| 19:44.42 | kergoth | or wait for twiun to finish the qt/e bindings for wonka |
| 19:44.47 | kergoth | then there'll be an open source solution |
| 19:45.04 | treke | kergoth: btw, is the new sfcave not in the build system? |
| 19:45.15 | numatrix | ~seen andyq |
| 19:45.16 | | andyq <~AndyQ@pc-62-31-42-4-hy.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 9d 19h 57m 11s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
| 19:45.20 | kergoth | treke: it cant be |
| 19:45.28 | numatrix | andy hasn't been around much lately, has he? |
| 19:45.29 | kergoth | treke: libsdl-qte depends on opie |
| 19:45.32 | treke | licensing? |
| 19:45.37 | kergoth | treke: you cant very well make opie depend on libsdl-qte too |
| 19:45.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:45.44 | numatrix | has opie always depended on libxine? |
| 19:45.49 | treke | kergoth: damn |
| 19:45.51 | kergoth | arent circular dependencies fun? |
| 19:45.59 | kergoth | numatrix: opie-mediaplayer2 needs it |
| 19:46.08 | kergoth | treke: solution is, integrate opie's kconfig into ours |
| 19:46.14 | kergoth | treke: so we can get completely granular on builds |
| 19:46.19 | kergoth | depends per opie app |
| 19:46.29 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, but in the buildroot I'm trying to make opie without libxine, and it won't let me select it in menuconfig |
| 19:46.47 | kergoth | of course. |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | you cant. |
| 19:47.01 | numatrix | nm, right, how about I read the above statement about kconfig. ;-) |
| 19:47.03 | kergoth | you cant build opie without libxine, because our opie build enables opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 19:47.11 | treke | numatrix: right you cant |
| 19:47.14 | kergoth | we have to make opie dpeend on everything _any_ of its apps depend on |
| 19:47.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:49.13 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:49.17 | kergoth | i just built libxine no problem |
| 19:49.20 | kergoth | last night |
| 19:49.49 | treke | same here |
| 19:50.10 | numatrix | really; hmm, tanked on me a minute ago. trying again. |
| 19:54.08 | nofpu | any plans for affix-2.0 finding its way into feed? |
| 19:54.29 | kergoth | yeah, i was planning on adding it as a seperate set of packages, alongside tghe current ones, until it releass |
| 19:54.36 | kergoth | i'll add it, but likely after i get this release out |
| 19:54.38 | kergoth | focused on this atm |
| 19:54.48 | nofpu | cool - thanks |
| 19:55.03 | kergoth | oh bipolar |
| 19:55.08 | kergoth | bipolar: Revision now does something |
| 19:55.13 | kergoth | bipolar: in the oipe build |
| 19:55.18 | Twiun | argh! can't find Sun's Zaurus J2ME download anymore |
| 19:56.05 | Twiun | found it |
| 19:56.22 | kergoth | i love google |
| 19:56.25 | kergoth | ~love google |
| 19:56.27 | | If you love google so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 19:58.53 | Twiun | pfah! |
| 19:58.57 | Twiun | useless Sun |
| 19:59.04 | Twiun | it's their december release |
| 19:59.10 | Twiun | where's the update? |
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| 20:05.59 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:06.13 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 20:06.20 | kergoth | new experimental image up with on the fly rotation |
| 20:06.34 | noda | kergoth: Sweet... update from unstable wouldn't do the trick? |
| 20:06.40 | kergoth | if its been updated.. |
| 20:07.04 | noda | Whatever, I have no time. Just wanted to hang out here while doing my research because maybe some news will soak through :)... still busy as hell :( |
| 20:07.12 | kergoth | ahh |
| 20:07.43 | noda | By the /topic, I'd say I need to do some website work... I MIGHT have time next week. This weekend I'll FINALLY finish off that contract I've been spending ages on... |
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| 20:08.03 | noda | Oh, I've gotten 2 university acceptances now, that's my news. Both local :) |
| 20:08.05 | kergoth | nice |
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| 20:08.28 | noda | Apparently I'll have to wait a month or more for the Waterloo one, though, which I'm most interested in. |
| 20:08.33 | noda | ...I think |
| 20:08.49 | noda | I figure I can't decide which school to go to until I get that one, anyway |
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| 20:11.14 | ||ugh | noda, what will you be studing at Waterloo if you get in? |
| 20:12.04 | yakito | one question. It is OpenEmbeded equals to OpenZaurus 3.1rc3.1 or it is a parallel work now ? |
| 20:12.05 | noda | ||ugh: Software Engineering. Or, slightly possible, computer science |
| 20:12.15 | ||ugh | s/studing/studying/ (unless your thinking of it as a party school...) |
| 20:12.35 | noda | Oh, btw, kergoth: Check out the colour of http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/logo.svg -- I dunno if that colour might be nice for at least one of the halves of the logo... I really like it :) |
| 20:12.41 | kergoth | yakito: the oz buildroot could be considered the predecessor to OE |
| 20:12.49 | kergoth | yakito: while we're working on a new infrastructure for it |
| 20:13.25 | noda | ||ugh: I don't think Waterloo is a party school... I could be wrong though. Maybe that reputation is all a big misconception :) |
| 20:13.35 | noda | Man would THAT ever be funny :P |
| 20:13.53 | noda | kergoth: Like the colour? |
| 20:14.00 | ||ugh | Be warned that something strange is going on at Waterloo in the CS deptarment. I know a bunch of folks from there and they are quite good, I have even lectured there. Recently it seems that MicroSoft has pumped in LOTS of money and I have met some really messed up folks comming out of there. I am told it's just one proff so far, but MS just got them to do werid things to the whole ciriculum(sp?). |
| 20:14.30 | noda | ||ugh: "curriculum" -- uh-oh. I wasn't aware of that... |
| 20:15.25 | noda | Urgh, googling |
| 20:15.39 | ||ugh | One student I met there was raving that pipes and I/O redirection was bad and that everything should be system calls and that you should have to rewrite apps when the ABI changes etc. Very MS shit. |
| 20:15.50 | noda | Wow. 33% of 1998 grads were hired by Microsoft... |
| 20:16.02 | noda | ||ugh: Heh |
| 20:16.34 | noda | ||ugh: Don't worry, personally I trust well-respected, veteran programmers a lot more than Microsoft. Hell, more than profs too |
| 20:16.45 | ||ugh | Maybe CS nows stands for Computer Stoolies...! |
| 20:16.50 | noda | ||ugh: When did you lecture there? Any chance of your doing so again? :) |
| 20:16.54 | ||ugh | What are the other two schools? |
| 20:17.45 | ||ugh | I was last there maybe three or four years ago, both talking on securiy and trolling for folks to work on FreeS/WAN. I did not get anyone for FreeS/WAN, but I did have a fun couple of lectures. |
| 20:17.46 | noda | McGill, Concordia. Both in Montreal |
| 20:18.01 | noda | ||ugh: Heh, if you lectured for me I'd at least spend a week trying to get into it :) |
| 20:18.15 | ||ugh | McGill has a better CS rep then Concordia, but no Watterloo. |
| 20:18.24 | noda | You've heard of both? Cool :) |
| 20:18.36 | noda | Ever lecture at McGill? I could probably sit in if you did ;) |
| 20:18.47 | ||ugh | Yea, it's hard to expalin all the 'backstory' of what I am taking about at times. |
| 20:18.59 | noda | What, VPN? |
| 20:19.57 | ||ugh | I have only been in Montreal a few times, mostly visting ZeroKnowledge (lots of former Waterloo folks there). Great city by the way, even if I don't speak the local (or any) version of French. |
| 20:20.30 | noda | I know a couple of people from ZeroKnowledge. I think they've changed their name and mission or something, right? |
| 20:20.31 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 20:21.41 | ||ugh | No noda, the back story problem is odd. I have been at some of this stuff for years... I have a call and have to deal with it. Bug me later if I forget this thread. |
| 20:21.55 | noda | ||ugh: Sure |
| 20:22.18 | bipolar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.04 | kergoth | email me |
| 20:24.53 | bipolar | kergoth: email sent |
| 20:24.59 | kergoth | k |
| 20:25.48 | kergoth | Harlekin: ping |
| 20:25.58 | Harlekin | yo |
| 20:26.17 | kergoth | I want networksettings to have a "please wait.. ejecting and reinserting pcmcia/cf cards.." dialog |
| 20:26.20 | kergoth | hint hint |
| 20:26.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:26.34 | Harlekin | so tell icefox |
| 20:26.35 | Harlekin | --) |
| 20:26.54 | kergoth | wheres our standard opie please wait dialog? ;) |
| 20:27.03 | kergoth | i'll patch it to use a messagebox for now |
| 20:27.14 | Harlekin | ah |
| 20:27.15 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 20:27.21 | Harlekin | a wait dialog? |
| 20:27.24 | kergoth | its calling /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart too, it should be calling cardctl eject and cardctl insert |
| 20:27.26 | Harlekin | i though about a wait animation |
| 20:27.31 | kergoth | and its using system(), not OProcess |
| 20:27.35 | Harlekin | not a dialog |
| 20:27.39 | Harlekin | dialogs a depreciated |
| 20:27.40 | kergoth | so if cardctl eject hangs, networksettings is toast |
| 20:27.44 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:27.54 | Harlekin | at least for opie on pda |
| 20:28.15 | kergoth | ok, well, i need some form of wait/progress to the user |
| 20:28.35 | Harlekin | we need an artists |
| 20:28.40 | Harlekin | doing a wait animation |
| 20:28.57 | kergoth | 1) networksettings restart pcmcia, 2) shutdown/reboot, 3) suspending |
| 20:29.00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:29.10 | kergoth | too bad hardwire is busy with other things |
| 20:34.41 | Klu5ter | HCl: sorry about that. I was pulled out to lunch by coworkers.... |
| 20:34.46 | HCl | np |
| 20:35.28 | Klu5ter | HCl: I did just grab that script though.. Anything else I need with mplayer? |
| 20:35.57 | HCl | just make sure your mplayer is compiled with lame for mp3 encoding and libavcodec.. |
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| 20:36.45 | Klu5ter | HCl: cool! thanks! I'll play with it tonight when I get to the house. How's the framrate on the z? |
| 20:38.25 | noda | YES. Another thing off my shoulders. |
| 20:39.32 | icefox | A please wait dialog |
| 20:39.34 | icefox | hmmm |
| 20:39.49 | icefox | yah too bad Sharp made that _propriatarty_ |
| 20:39.53 | kergoth | icefox: opie needs a standard means of telling the user to wait, really |
| 20:39.57 | icefox | :) |
| 20:39.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:40.10 | icefox | yes it should be intigrated into libopie |
| 20:40.11 | kergoth | i'm patching netwroksettings to use OProcess and call cardctl rather than restarting all of pcmcia |
| 20:40.19 | icefox | ok |
| 20:40.26 | kergoth | i'll make it run it in the background (OProcess::DontCare) for now |
| 20:40.29 | icefox | I think I call system() right now? |
| 20:40.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:40.41 | icefox | actually that might not work |
| 20:40.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:40.51 | icefox | sense I don't have the dynamic quiring code in cvs yet |
| 20:41.04 | icefox | quering |
| 20:41.05 | kergoth | dynamic querying? |
| 20:41.06 | kergoth | oh, btw |
| 20:41.08 | icefox | quiering |
| 20:41.12 | icefox | yah that |
| 20:41.37 | icefox | Anything anyone would like me to add to my last monthly report? |
| 20:41.37 | kergoth | do you call ifdown/ifup after the user makes changes to interfaces config on an interface that is currently UP? |
| 20:41.41 | kergoth | if not, you need to |
| 20:41.56 | icefox | if they hit ok I think I do |
| 20:41.59 | icefox | I forget though |
| 20:42.14 | kergoth | there are a buch of little things like that that need doing |
| 20:42.16 | kergoth | in addition to the ppp stuff |
| 20:42.17 | icefox | add to the todo and I will check on monday/tuestday |
| 20:42.22 | kergoth | k |
| 20:42.23 | icefox | yah I am going to go through it |
| 20:44.22 | icefox | I wonder how powerfull the drive to click on any link that shows in irc is: www.lilttletime.com |
| 20:44.31 | bipolar | join #openoffice |
| 20:46.12 | chouimat|bbl | make |
| 20:46.20 | kergoth | bash: make: no such command |
| 20:46.23 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:46.30 | chouimat|bbl | too much windows :) |
| 20:46.32 | noda | *** /home/chouimat: Error 2: You're on IRC, dummy. |
| 20:46.37 | noda | :) |
| 20:46.50 | chouimat|bbl | noda: :P |
| 20:47.13 | icefox | clear |
| 20:47.14 | icefox | :_ |
| 20:48.08 | icefox | oh if you want me to add any perticular comment about what sharp should do to improve its developer program speak now or forever hold your piece (me writing report) |
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| 20:48.35 | bipolar | icefox: heh... got a few extra pages? :) |
| 20:48.39 | icefox | yup |
| 20:48.51 | icefox | I have given myself 4 days to write this |
| 20:49.16 | bipolar | icefox: lets start with the SD issue... I'm sure you know all about that. You may already have it on your list. |
| 20:49.29 | icefox | which part? |
| 20:49.45 | icefox | the cd for oz, binary incompatible or sandisk problem? |
| 20:50.06 | bipolar | icefox: the binary incompatibility with newer kernels. |
| 20:50.10 | chouimat|bbl | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 20:50.11 | icefox | but anyway continue :) |
| 20:50.16 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 5 C (41 F), windspeed is 14.48 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.27 2000 UTC). |
| 20:50.24 | bipolar | icefox: it's holding back a lot of work. |
| 20:50.30 | icefox | I know |
| 20:50.35 | icefox | I have no say in the matter |
| 20:50.37 | icefox | what else |
| 20:50.38 | noda | weatherbot: weather cyul |
| 20:50.40 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Canada: It is 6 C (44 F), windspeed is 20.92 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.27 2000 UTC). |
| 20:51.03 | icefox | hehe |
| 20:51.24 | icefox | ok start from when you first were introduced to the z. |
| 20:51.28 | icefox | and work forward |
| 20:51.45 | HCl | Klu5ter: pretty good.. oddly enough its faster without the framedrop option.. |
| 20:51.46 | bipolar | icefox: NO LINUX SYNCING! heh |
| 20:51.55 | icefox | got that |
| 20:51.56 | bipolar | icefox: that was their first problem.... |
| 20:52.29 | kergoth | after taking an age to come up with a linux usb netowrking driver, it ended up crashing machines |
| 20:52.30 | bipolar | icefox: using that usbdnet crap instead of using what the handhelds.org people had been using for a year |
| 20:52.33 | icefox | kergoth: you work in tech support, what do you do that sharp doesn't? |
| 20:52.35 | kergoth | they never made an effort to fix it |
| 20:52.55 | kergoth | I accept patches from users and forward them to engineers, which then get included in future releases |
| 20:53.06 | icefox | got that |
| 20:53.17 | icefox | added |
| 20:53.38 | kergoth | pay attention to user requests. users asked and asked for fixes and improvements to the apps, nothing ever happened |
| 20:53.54 | icefox | got that |
| 20:53.56 | bipolar | icefox: How about discusions between the sharp developers/enginers and the comuntiy. Like IRC meetings.... |
| 20:54.02 | icefox | hey! |
| 20:54.10 | icefox | oh you mean not me |
| 20:54.16 | icefox | ;-( |
| 20:54.20 | bipolar | icefox: nonono |
| 20:54.38 | treke|home | bipolar: how long does a feed build take you? |
| 20:54.39 | icefox | like Sharp Japan guys who actually code? |
| 20:54.50 | icefox | on the stuff that gets in the rom |
| 20:54.57 | bipolar | icefox: I mean like more of them. And ones that do the bulk of the coding and desicion making. |
| 20:55.12 | treke|home | they probably dont speak english :) |
| 20:55.17 | bipolar | treke|home: A long time... even on my dual proc 1.8ghz |
| 20:55.25 | treke|home | hehe |
| 20:55.27 | icefox | actually I havn't ever really talked to them.... |
| 20:55.31 | icefox | ok added |
| 20:55.54 | bipolar | icefox: an example would be the HP CRL guys. They have a weekly confrence call. |
| 20:55.55 | treke|home | bipolar: As in 4, 6, 8 hours? |
| 20:56.16 | bipolar | treke|home: 2,3? depands on how many problems I find. :) |
| 20:56.41 | treke|home | oh that isnt bad |
| 20:56.44 | icefox | anything else? |
| 20:57.28 | kergoth | OProcess insert; |
| 20:57.32 | kergoth | insert << "sh -c \"cardctl insert && cardctl eject\""; |
| 20:57.38 | kergoth | if (!insert.start(OProcess::DontCare, OProcess::NoCommunication) ) { |
| 20:57.40 | treke|home | most of it probably is c code, thankfully :) |
| 20:57.42 | kergoth | that look right? |
| 20:57.52 | icefox | yup |
| 20:57.53 | kergoth | ah yeah, seems to work |
| 20:58.00 | bipolar | kergoth: any word on the libpcap problem? opie won't build without it. |
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| 20:58.11 | kergoth | bipolar: havent looked at it yet, i'm knee deep in opie and ipkg cvs |
| 20:58.16 | bipolar | heh |
| 20:58.19 | icefox | I don't get why you renamed it to OProcess from KProcess. What was the motive? It just makes life harder for the developers |
| 20:58.20 | bipolar | K.... |
| 20:58.55 | kergoth | heh, dont ask me.. |
| 20:59.27 | noda | Can't you just 'typedef OProcess KProcess'? (I'm a C person, not C++...) |
| 20:59.45 | treke|home | icefox: probably for consistancy |
| 21:00.03 | kergoth | unnecessary typedefs are vevil |
| 21:00.04 | kergoth | evil |
| 21:00.21 | bipolar | icefox: It would be a huge modivation to see Sharp using code from open source developers and giving them credit. Right now it kinda feels like we're outsiders. |
| 21:00.28 | noda | I'm just trying to think how much harder life is for developers if one line of code is all that's needed :) |
| 21:00.50 | kergoth | but.. its evil |
| 21:00.50 | noda | Or a simple sed-ding |
| 21:00.58 | noda | (which is Good) |
| 21:01.07 | treke|home | noda: the thinking probably is that it wont always be compatible with KProcess |
| 21:01.14 | noda | Ah cool |
| 21:01.15 | icefox | bipolar: how about how they wrote their own tab manager when I had already wrote one. top that |
| 21:01.26 | kergoth | icefox: yeah but you lost your sources |
| 21:01.28 | icefox | noda: it isn't 1 line |
| 21:01.28 | kergoth | icefox: so.. |
| 21:01.34 | icefox | kergoth: not the tab mangare |
| 21:01.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:01.40 | icefox | heck the tab manager is even in opie |
| 21:01.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:01.52 | icefox | treke|home: why wont it be compatible? |
| 21:01.56 | kergoth | okay networksettings annoys me slightly less now |
| 21:01.59 | kergoth | next! |
| 21:02.00 | icefox | :) |
| 21:02.10 | treke|home | icefox: Not that it will change, but that it may change |
| 21:02.11 | noda | kergoth: It Sucks Less(tm)? :) |
| 21:02.14 | kergoth | noda: indeed! |
| 21:02.17 | noda | Woo! |
| 21:02.44 | icefox | treke|home: I see no reason not to be compatible with KDE when they are producing and debugging it also. It is the sf syndrom!! |
| 21:02.48 | bipolar | "don't talk to that man, Johny... He's one of those 'Opie Developers'. They're not like us...." |
| 21:02.56 | bipolar | heh |
| 21:03.40 | icefox | remember the goal of every real hacker is to do as little work as possible so by coping the class just to rename 1 letter is more work for you and everyone thus is _bad_. |
| 21:04.00 | kergoth | icefox: damn right |
| 21:04.46 | treke|home | true, but OPIE is not KDE |
| 21:04.50 | icefox | so? |
| 21:04.54 | icefox | I know that |
| 21:05.06 | icefox | what does it prove by renaming a kde class? |
| 21:05.11 | kergoth | okay let me think |
| 21:05.17 | kergoth | there were a bunch of other little opie things to fix |
| 21:05.21 | kergoth | but now i cant remember any of them |
| 21:05.24 | noda | kergoth: Reboot |
| 21:05.29 | icefox | your Embedded Opie classes should start with O and for the rest who cares |
| 21:05.42 | treke|home | if opie aimed to be KDE compatible that would make sense. Since OPIE is not aiming for compatibility, you may give a developer a false sense of security by keeping the class named the same way as the KDE class |
| 21:05.50 | kergoth | noda: huh? |
| 21:05.53 | kergoth | noda: reboot works fine. |
| 21:06.01 | noda | kergoth: It does? Oh, cool |
| 21:06.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:06.14 | noda | What about turning on the Z after a 'shutdown'? |
| 21:06.17 | kergoth | i fixed that the day i noticed it |
| 21:06.19 | icefox | Exuse me???? Opie is going to extream pains to be compatible with Sharp. I think that a lot of people do care about being compatable |
| 21:06.20 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:06.25 | kergoth | the Z turns on fine after shutting down as well |
| 21:06.28 | noda | I thought somebody was complaining about that. |
| 21:06.35 | kergoth | ~lart noda |
| 21:06.38 | kergoth | you're out of hte loop |
| 21:06.40 | kergoth | let me handle this |
| 21:06.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:06.50 | noda | kergoth: Just trying to be helpful! I'm a whole week behind :P |
| 21:06.55 | treke|home | icefox: what are you talking about? OPIE is trying to be sharp compatible. That doesnt relate to compatible with KDE |
| 21:08.11 | icefox | yes it does. Effort had to be done to make the code source and binary compatible. Maybe you don't care to be binary compatible with KDE (and I can completly why), but there is no reason to go out of your way to be incompatible |
| 21:08.21 | kergoth | noda: hehe |
| 21:08.35 | noda | OE development is nice and quick, I love that :) |
| 21:08.36 | icefox | take advantage of resources that are there for you, opie isn't that big. |
| 21:08.42 | kergoth | treke's saying it gives a false sense of security |
| 21:08.44 | kergoth | which i can agree with |
| 21:08.47 | kergoth | but, i'm a lazy bastard |
| 21:08.51 | kergoth | so i agre with ben too |
| 21:08.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:09.03 | kergoth | all i gotta say is thank god for sed/perl |
| 21:09.21 | icefox | ok I am really offtopic here |
| 21:09.29 | icefox | back to my report, anything else that people have? |
| 21:09.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:10.57 | bipolar | icefox: the big word is comunication. |
| 21:11.32 | icefox | understandable |
| 21:11.37 | icefox | :) |
| 21:11.44 | treke|home | wtf |
| 21:11.51 | bipolar | icefox: and not a few token people to apease the os developers... the tabmanager issue you had shows how sucky the comunication is even inside sharp. |
| 21:13.58 | bipolar | icefox: interfaces and backends need to be developed jointly. Thats not happening. |
| 21:14.00 | icefox | hehe well that is a seperate part of my report |
| 21:14.36 | icefox | iinterface and backends, you mean like the pim db? |
| 21:14.39 | bipolar | icefox: the comunity needs to always know where sharp is heading so they can meed them half way, so to speak. |
| 21:14.51 | bipolar | icefox: yeah, like the pim db. |
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| 21:15.04 | icefox | Sharps ovius reponse to that is that they are doing that with TT and the community needs to talk to TT on that issue |
| 21:15.13 | icefox | added |
| 21:15.16 | bipolar | icefox: TT needs to do the same thing. |
| 21:15.24 | bipolar | icefox: TT is no better. |
| 21:15.29 | tzanger | I have heard rumour that there are some issues with using SD media on the new OZ kernel when it comes out (licensing issues or something) -- is this true? |
| 21:15.36 | bipolar | icefox: If TT would do that, Opie would not be needed. |
| 21:15.38 | kergoth | tzanger: yes, read the news page |
| 21:15.51 | icefox | bipolar: well we wont get into the whole TT and Qtopia topic, I just don't have the time. :-) |
| 21:15.52 | kergoth | tzanger: openzaurus.org |
| 21:16.04 | noda | Hehehe, erm, it scrolled off. |
| 21:16.08 | bipolar | icefox: just don't let them use that as an excuse. ;) |
| 21:16.11 | noda | Someday I'll put news filtering in :P |
| 21:16.47 | noda | tzanger: In a nutshell: Wait and see. |
| 21:16.48 | tzanger | kergoth: doesn't say anything other than not to ask about it (?) |
| 21:17.01 | kergoth | tzanger: and what are you doing? |
| 21:17.03 | icefox | bipolar: because I am leaving I can't exactly nit pik about little thing that may/maynot change. My report is much more of an overview |
| 21:17.06 | noda | rofl |
| 21:17.08 | kergoth | well well, i think you're .. asking about it |
| 21:17.11 | icefox | such as communitcate |
| 21:17.13 | tzanger | kergoth: heh well yeah but there's no details at all |
| 21:17.13 | icefox | and how |
| 21:17.21 | kergoth | tzanger: read the mailing list archives |
| 21:17.23 | kergoth | and the old news |
| 21:17.26 | tzanger | kergoth: ahh |
| 21:17.28 | kergoth | this shit has been discussed at least 12 times |
| 21:17.34 | bipolar | icefox: btw, the best way to handle the SD issue is to make a binary module ala Nvidia. you know that though.... |
| 21:17.38 | noda | kergoth: Erm. *cough* there's no way to read the old news yet :) |
| 21:17.40 | bipolar | icefox: when are you leaving? |
| 21:17.40 | tzanger | how do I get to old news? |
| 21:17.41 | kergoth | noda: oh, right |
| 21:17.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:17.45 | icefox | MOnday |
| 21:17.45 | Twiun | noda: yo! |
| 21:17.53 | icefox | the 31st is my last day |
| 21:17.55 | Twiun | ibot: 3c1 |
| 21:17.55 | | methinks 3c1 is information on the 3Com 3C1 CF nic at http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/3C1info.txt |
| 21:17.56 | noda | lol, I missed that little feature since I never figured we'd have more than 5 news items :) |
| 21:18.00 | bipolar | icefox: your decision or sharp? |
| 21:18.01 | noda | Twiun: Moo |
| 21:18.20 | icefox | my contract has ended. (/me notes how I didn't answer the question :) |
| 21:18.23 | Twiun | noda: got that 3C1 info from 3Com way back when :) |
| 21:18.30 | bipolar | icefox: heh |
| 21:18.36 | noda | Twiun: Woo! Hrm, can you decipher it? :) |
| 21:18.36 | tzanger | Twiun: good news from the XWT author -- AWT.java _is_ 1.1 compatible, the Java12.java file is just a wrapper for it for speedups for 1.2+ |
| 21:18.46 | bipolar | icefox: so were going to be out in the cold with sharp, eh? |
| 21:18.59 | icefox | well spencer is still here |
| 21:19.02 | tzanger | Twiun: all I need to do is write a wrapper for AWT.java in the same style as Java2.java and it'll be all set |
| 21:19.08 | treke|home | bipolar: like you havent been all this time? |
| 21:19.15 | tzanger | kergoth: how do I get to old news? |
| 21:19.22 | bipolar | icefox: ahhh.... when does his contract expire? :) |
| 21:19.31 | bipolar | treke|home: ? |
| 21:19.33 | noda | tzanger: YOU DON'T |
| 21:19.35 | icefox | he is an employee |
| 21:19.39 | icefox | not contracted |
| 21:19.48 | bipolar | icefox: ahhh... whats his nick here? |
| 21:19.51 | icefox | sniper |
| 21:19.53 | tzanger | noda: hmm ok... <confused as to why Kergoth suggested looking there in addition to hte mailing lists> |
| 21:20.06 | bipolar | ibot: seen sniper |
| 21:20.16 | | sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 27d 51m 48s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
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| 21:20.16 | noda | tzanger: Well, most people who come here are confused, so join the club :) |
| 21:20.19 | tzanger | noda: hahaha |
| 21:20.26 | bipolar | brb my ahh |
| 21:20.30 | bipolar | ass even |
| 21:20.32 | schurig | ibot: seen me |
| 21:20.32 | | schurig: i haven't seen 'me' |
| 21:20.42 | schurig | dump ... |
| 21:20.45 | tzanger | schurig: try seen myself :-) |
| 21:20.45 | icefox | bipolar: hmm guess he dosn't hang out much anymore |
| 21:20.46 | schurig | dumb |
| 21:20.47 | kergoth | tzanger: i have a billion things on my plate, so occasionally I forget wtf is going on |
| 21:20.48 | schurig | :-) |
| 21:20.58 | icefox | ibot seen ibot |
| 21:20.58 | | icefox: i haven't seen 'ibot' |
| 21:21.13 | tzanger | kergoth: I'm not demanding you show me... lord knows I know this is free support, I wasn't trying ot be pushy |
| 21:21.14 | icefox | ibot seen it |
| 21:21.14 | | i haven't seen 'it', icefox |
| 21:21.14 | noda | Twiun: How hard do you think it'd be to fix up the 3c589 driver to support 3c1, to a non-kernel-hacker? :) |
| 21:21.17 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:21.58 | bipolar | icefox: will you be hanging out here even when you're not at sharp? |
| 21:22.06 | icefox | yah |
| 21:22.11 | bipolar | cool |
| 21:22.18 | bipolar | :) |
| 21:22.22 | bipolar | do we have any TT people here? |
| 21:22.27 | kergoth | you like us! |
| 21:22.44 | treke|home | wintre |
| 21:22.53 | treke|home | but he really doesnt count |
| 21:22.57 | icefox | ! |
| 21:22.57 | tzanger | ugh... sf mailing list archvies blow, I'd forgotten that fact |
| 21:23.06 | icefox | talk about slapped down, how evil |
| 21:23.09 | kergoth | tzanger: yea, unfortunate |
| 21:23.35 | tzanger | kergoth: would anyone mind if I subscribed a bot address and put up a "proper" archive site? I'd done that for hte GameBoy Dev list years ago |
| 21:23.46 | Twiun | noda: been there, tried it, got the kernel panics to show off :( |
| 21:24.02 | Twiun | noda: I didn't have much luck - but then I was still a java-only dev back then |
| 21:24.17 | noda | Twiun: Ah. |
| 21:24.40 | noda | Well if nobody takes up the job, I may find myself with a bit of time in the summer... |
| 21:24.43 | Twiun | treke|home: yeah, Wintre is their web admin/dev guy, right? |
| 21:24.49 | Twiun | noda: cool! |
| 21:25.02 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 21:25.07 | bipolar | tzanger: I wish |
| 21:25.08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo |
| 21:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 21:25.12 | treke|home | tzanger: we wish |
| 21:25.27 | tzanger | bipolar, treke|home: :-) maybe I'll just cover up those extra two pins :-) |
| 21:25.34 | Sythos | treke|home: where can i find good reference book (online) about assembly on ARM? |
| 21:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | so i hear on the fly rotation with opie is pretty cool |
| 21:26.04 | icefox | intel.com |
| 21:26.05 | treke|home | Sythos: why the hell are you asking me? |
| 21:26.13 | tzanger | what kernel version are you revving from and to? from 2.4.6 to 2.4.20? |
| 21:26.22 | TheMasterMind1 | from .6 to .6 |
| 21:26.25 | icefox | Sythos: check out zaurus.com we have links on it |
| 21:26.35 | TheMasterMind1 | .19 is not ready and won't be any time soon |
| 21:26.55 | Sythos | treke hereink (?) tell me today ask you... |
| 21:26.59 | bipolar | I thought the only major issue with .19 was SD/MMC? |
| 21:27.14 | tzanger | the SD driver can't be ported from 2.4.6 to 2.4.6? <searching the list with that F#%^#$#ING SF interface> |
| 21:27.26 | treke|home | hereink? |
| 21:27.46 | treke|home | who ever that is probably isnt very bright |
| 21:27.57 | noda | kergoth: I think your old /topic was more helpful :) |
| 21:28.14 | noda | (the one about not asking about SD :)) |
| 21:28.47 | tzanger | or one giving the thread link so we could find it easily :-) |
| 21:28.49 | ||ugh | Ah, a new rc, this could be good considdering how unstable the -rc3.1 seems to me! |
| 21:29.47 | noda | ||ugh: So, if you were me, would you go to Waterloo? |
| 21:30.31 | noda | tzanger: Really? Do you/did you go there? :) |
| 21:30.55 | tzanger | no, but the guy beside me here int he office is a 1st year CS coop student |
| 21:31.04 | tzanger | he's doing work on XWT for us |
| 21:31.25 | noda | Oh fun. What's his pay, if you don't mind telling? (I'm worried about financing also) |
| 21:32.10 | tzanger | well he started out at $8, and after 2 weeks he proved that he was worth $12 |
| 21:32.13 | tzanger | this is in rural ontario |
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| 21:32.22 | noda | Oh ICK. |
| 21:32.36 | noda | Maybe I can do the work I do *now* as my co-op :) |
| 21:33.00 | ||ugh | noda, I am not you, so what I would do matters not. What matters is why your going. If it's to get a piece of paper that makes you money, then choose a school that is best for that and 'fit in'. If your going to contribute to CS or just to really learn CS, then talk to the profs and their students and see which ones seems most interesting and challanging and goto the school with the most usfuel profs. Look at their papers and see if yo |
| 21:33.00 | ||ugh | u can learn from them. Spend maybe four days on each school looking the profs, cources, website, produced software. Then jump. |
| 21:33.23 | Twiun | tzanger: waterloo, uk? |
| 21:33.26 | noda | ||ugh: But Waterloo is very far. |
| 21:33.35 | tzanger | Twiun: no, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada |
| 21:33.41 | Twiun | tzanger: ah |
| 21:33.53 | noda | ||ugh: I may POSSIBLY visit this Easter, but it'd only be for a day at best. |
| 21:34.54 | ||ugh | noda, in the wide world Waterloo is in your back yard. You can be home in a 6 hour train ride and never have to go through a magatomiter to be striped of your Leatherman. Thats close. |
| 21:35.14 | tzanger | ||ugh WLU has a great HCCE (Honors Computing and Computer Electronics) program that I was going to go in to |
| 21:35.21 | noda | ||ugh: Well, it's $100 away from my home for a round-trip |
| 21:35.33 | tzanger | noda: WestJet? :-) |
| 21:35.46 | noda | tzanger: What's WestJet? I was looking at VIA Rail + bus |
| 21:35.50 | tzanger | ahh |
| 21:36.01 | tzanger | WestJet flies from Toronto or Hamilton to Ottawa $80... |
| 21:36.02 | ||ugh | Note that much of the research can be done via the web, there is a good Computer Club at Waterloo I can put you in touch with, I am not sure whats at McGill but you can walk there I think. |
| 21:36.25 | noda | ||ugh: Certainly can, I know some students from there too. |
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| 21:38.19 | yakito | could I ask here a question about a problem with openzaurus ? |
| 21:38.31 | ||ugh | Doing a couple of weeks of leg work now will tell you a LOT about the schools, and once your at one you will be doing such work in any case so do a bit now. |
| 21:38.37 | HCl | hmm |
| 21:38.44 | HCl | theres that usbd0 breaking again |
| 21:39.03 | HCl | didnt do anything except just leave it on while its on the cradle.. |
| 21:39.12 | noda | Wish I had time. Well, maybe I will on my Easter break. But at this rate I'll be exhausted by then. |
| 21:39.13 | treke|home | kergoth: man. I'd hate to see what a full redhat build tree is |
| 21:41.08 | ||ugh | Since McGill and Condordia are close I would start with them. I would thinhk that Con is the least likely, so start there, go in and look at the cources, talk to a consoular about what a four year program would be write down the cources and look a the outlines of each. Go talk to some TA's and if you can find them proffs. Find the computer or train club and talk to them. Then after you have spent a day there read up on the net what you |
| 21:41.09 | ||ugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.01 | noda | Sounds like a plan... |
| 21:42.08 | ||ugh | treke|home, it's not clear to me that RH _can_ do a full build. I have NEVER gotten the kernels they ship to build, let alone match the binaries they ship. |
| 21:42.11 | noda | But... Waterloo. It's far. |
| 21:42.40 | tzanger | far? |
| 21:42.44 | ||ugh | noda, save Waterloo for last. Hone your skills on the locals first. |
| 21:42.46 | tzanger | from Montreal? |
| 21:42.49 | tzanger | it's 6hrs away |
| 21:42.57 | noda | And that's the "big choice," so to speak, because 4 years away from home is a big decision to make |
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| 21:43.10 | noda | tzanger: No car, and if i don't get a scholarship... no money :) |
| 21:43.15 | jima | "far" is relative :) |
| 21:43.21 | jima | exactly. |
| 21:43.21 | tzanger | think of it as "sink or swim" :-) |
| 21:43.35 | HCl | ok nm that |
| 21:43.45 | noda | ||ugh: Thank you very much for the advice :) |
| 21:43.49 | ||ugh | noda, home is the space between your ears and the folks you call friends. Both should go with you if they are worth having. |
| 21:44.01 | jima | wonder why usbnet isn't working for me... |
| 21:44.03 | jima | oh well. |
| 21:44.23 | noda | Racking up the phone minutes won't be good for my pocketbook either :) |
| 21:44.58 | ||ugh | noda, your welcome. I just hope it works for you and that you do useful things! There is SO much work that needs to be done, and killing poor (or even rich baster) Iraqies is NOT on the serious agenda. |
| 21:45.52 | jima | oh, but it's so much fun! |
| 21:46.05 | jima | (yes, i'm kidding. blah.) |
| 21:46.06 | noda | ||ugh: And who knows, maybe some day I'll be able to submit some handy patches to FreeS/WAN :) |
| 21:46.16 | jima | yay freeswan :) |
| 21:46.47 | tzanger | kergoth: how far back in the list is the _technical_ details on SD on 2.4.19? I'm heading up to the start of February now and not finding anything beyond "it won't work, I've got the docs in japanese and it's going to take time" |
| 21:47.39 | noda | tzanger: There's something recent on openzaurus-devel |
| 21:47.49 | tzanger | dammit |
| 21:47.54 | tzanger | I'm in openzaurus-users |
| 21:49.46 | noda | I'm so damned tired. Naptime. Later all :) |
| 21:49.49 | noda | ||ugh: Thanks again :) |
| 21:50.40 | icefox | in the north east for an undergrad in CS RIT is the best, for grad goto MIT |
| 21:50.45 | tzanger | ok this is making more sense now... have some better details anyway |
| 21:50.48 | ||ugh | Noda, if you want to help with Crypto, be sure to be politically active and keep Canada from being TOO obideant to my Lords in Washingtoon. |
| 21:52.30 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:54.36 | tzanger | ok maybe not... tht was the end of the details on -dev |
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| 21:56.34 | kergoth | tzanger: theres nothing else to find. |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | the sd wrapper wont work properly without substantial effort |
| 21:56.47 | kennyj | while I'm prepping to use the new image... |
| 21:56.50 | kergoth | sharp wont rebuild the module agaisnt 2.4.19 |
| 21:56.57 | kergoth | we cnat disassemble for legal reasons |
| 21:57.05 | kergoth | we can do an mmc only driver thanks to the docs i received |
| 21:57.13 | tzanger | oh... you don't have teh SOURCE to the sd driver... |
| 21:57.14 | kergoth | again, i'm not making a decision on what i'm doing going forward until after this release |
| 21:57.16 | kergoth | uhh |
| 21:57.18 | tzanger | that makes things a LOT clearer now |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | you cant have the source to th esd driver |
| 21:57.25 | kergoth | legally sharp cant give it out |
| 21:57.30 | kergoth | they're under a license with sd.org |
| 21:57.39 | kennyj | aren't desktop icons in /home/QtPalmtop/apps/(tab name)/ supposed to show up in the launcher? |
| 21:57.47 | tzanger | I was like "you've got the src to the damned thing, the driver layer hasn't changed THAT much between 2.4.6 and .19.... what's the issue?" but now I'm clear |
| 21:57.51 | tzanger | that was the nugget of info I did not have |
| 21:58.02 | kennyj | I just realized that this is the reason that the Kismet icon didn't show up in the last experimental image. |
| 21:58.18 | kennyj | The stuff in /home/QtPalmtop/ didn't work right, apparently. |
| 21:58.22 | kennyj | Was this fixed in the new image? |
| 21:58.29 | tzanger | that and your Japanese comprehension skills are sub-par, kergoth :-) |
| 21:58.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58.42 | kergoth | effy translated the SPI portion of the doc for me |
| 22:00.09 | kennyj | should I say it again? Seems it got lost in the ongoing conversation. >.< |
| 22:01.34 | kergoth | uhh |
| 22:01.42 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.10 | HCl | hmmm |
| 22:02.17 | HCl | why cant you disassemble? |
| 22:02.17 | kennyj | hmm... wierd. It isn't on my system. |
| 22:02.29 | HCl | i thought the dmca allowed disassembling for portability reasons.. |
| 22:02.33 | kergoth | it does |
| 22:02.35 | HCl | doesnt the sd module fall under that? |
| 22:02.37 | kergoth | but they can still sue |
| 22:02.42 | kennyj | I did that thing where you move /opt, /home, and /root over to SD... |
| 22:02.42 | kergoth | even if they lose, i cant afford a lawsuit |
| 22:02.43 | kergoth | can you? |
| 22:02.47 | HCl | crap :/ |
| 22:02.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02.52 | HCl | i see your point |
| 22:03.01 | kennyj | but that's with cp -a, that's supposed to keep symlinks intact isn't it? |
| 22:03.33 | HCl | well.. hrm |
| 22:03.44 | kergoth | kennyj: afaik yes. does /home/QtPalmtop point to /opt/QtPalmtop after going through your links/ |
| 22:03.45 | HCl | you think they'd sue? |
| 22:03.49 | HCl | :/ |
| 22:04.04 | Harlekin | killefiz: ping |
| 22:04.11 | HCl | how about asking sharp to make a new rom with the 2.4.19 module ^^ |
| 22:04.19 | killefiz | Harlekin: yes? |
| 22:04.22 | HCl | new rom with 2.4.19 kernel* |
| 22:04.25 | kennyj | nope, /home/QtPalmtop is a regular directory. |
| 22:04.25 | Harlekin | killefiz: have something for zsi |
| 22:04.28 | kergoth | HCl: they wont. |
| 22:04.34 | HCl | mm :/ |
| 22:04.35 | HCl | why not.. |
| 22:04.36 | kergoth | HCl: and they wont build the module against 2.4.19 sources |
| 22:04.37 | Harlekin | killefiz: kitchensync |
| 22:04.40 | HCl | bah |
| 22:04.41 | kergoth | because they're lazy fucks? |
| 22:04.43 | kergoth | how the fuck should i knwo |
| 22:04.46 | kergoth | they said they wont do it |
| 22:04.48 | kennyj | root is a symlink, but QtPalmtop is a normal directory. |
| 22:04.48 | killefiz | Harlekin: cool |
| 22:04.49 | HCl | damn :/ |
| 22:04.50 | kennyj | Wierd... |
| 22:04.58 | kergoth | kennyj: ? |
| 22:05.00 | killefiz | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/submit.php |
| 22:05.11 | kennyj | under /home that is. |
| 22:05.11 | Harlekin | ibot: kitchensync |
| 22:05.13 | | rumour has it, kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs, or at http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html |
| 22:05.19 | Harlekin | killefiz: that url .-) |
| 22:05.35 | kergoth | HCl: arm assembly reads like poetry |
| 22:05.44 | HCl | haha :p |
| 22:05.46 | kennyj | screw it, I'm on the second-newest experimental rom. I'll just flash it with the newest rom and get back to you. |
| 22:05.50 | kergoth | it does, arm asm rocks |
| 22:05.55 | kergoth | kennyj: i have another i'm about to upload |
| 22:05.57 | kergoth | if you want to hold up |
| 22:06.01 | kennyj | oh, sure |
| 22:06.03 | HCl | i wouldnt know |
| 22:06.04 | kergoth | let me flash and confirm its semisane |
| 22:06.05 | kennyj | I'm in no hurry |
| 22:06.15 | HCl | all i know is intel x86 asm and some at&t reading |
| 22:06.16 | killefiz | Harlekin: fill out above form - it will take <1minute |
| 22:06.29 | Harlekin | .-| |
| 22:06.48 | kennyj | hell, I'm about to go cook dinner anyway... I wasn't even going to flash it for a few more hours. Just figured I'd tackle this while I was in preperations. |
| 22:07.55 | HCl | i wish thefreeworld.net still existed, they had an anti dmca license.. would make the module at least available for non-usa people |
| 22:08.21 | kergoth | well someone outside the us could certainly do the disassembly and distribute the subsequent binary |
| 22:08.33 | treke | ||ugh: I wouldnt be surprised, but they do get it to build somehow |
| 22:08.39 | kergoth | as long as the new binary module doesnt give you the ability to bypass DRM on the sd cards, and keeps the current functionality, you'd be fine |
| 22:08.46 | HCl | drm? o.o |
| 22:08.49 | kergoth | argh, busy as fuck today |
| 22:08.52 | HCl | heh |
| 22:08.56 | kergoth | security shit, whatever it is |
| 22:08.56 | HCl | i see.. |
| 22:08.58 | HCl | yea |
| 22:09.03 | treke | kergoth: to much real work? :) |
| 22:09.03 | HCl | digital rights management.. |
| 22:09.10 | HCl | stupid bleh x.x |
| 22:09.34 | yakito | [kergoth] 5600 does comes with a new kernel version 2.4.18 I think. Is not Sharp going to offer a new rom with that kernel for 5x00 ? |
| 22:09.54 | treke | yakito: 5500 and 5600 are very different |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | yakito: different hardware |
| 22:10.09 | HCl | mmmm |
| 22:10.14 | yakito | yes, different processors |
| 22:10.22 | kergoth | yes, so the binary sd module for 5600 helps us none |
| 22:10.24 | treke | hmmm. full build is only 51 megs? |
| 22:10.29 | kergoth | and as i said already, afaik they arent building a new module |
| 22:10.38 | kergoth | and likely arent doing a new 5500 rom |
| 22:10.42 | kergoth | HCl: arm-linux-objdump |
| 22:10.45 | kergoth | HCl: cross |
| 22:10.48 | HCl | ah |
| 22:10.49 | HCl | nice |
| 22:11.27 | yakito | on the zaurus.com/dev forum, the administrator (Spencer ) from sharp says that there will be a new rom for 5000 and 5500 |
| 22:12.17 | HCl | mmm |
| 22:12.17 | yakito | looking for the message :P |
| 22:12.25 | HCl | lots and lots of opcodes i dont know o.o |
| 22:12.32 | HCl | it looks a bit mipsy |
| 22:12.33 | kergoth | i doubt it'll run 2.4.1x |
| 22:12.39 | kergoth | but ya never know |
| 22:12.40 | HCl | with r0 and r1 etc |
| 22:12.48 | HCl | and beq.. |
| 22:12.55 | killefiz | Harlekin: activated |
| 22:12.59 | HCl | is arm related to mips or vice versa? |
| 22:13.02 | kergoth | no |
| 22:13.06 | HCl | hm |
| 22:13.07 | kergoth | completely indeependent architectures |
| 22:13.15 | HCl | well some of the assembly looks alike |
| 22:13.42 | kergoth | assembly is assembly |
| 22:13.57 | kergoth | just a matter of figuring out what registers exist, how they're used, and the didfering opcodes |
| 22:13.58 | yakito | " Hopefully I'll have some date(s) and updates regarding a new ROM for the 5500/5000D. Please be patient - still sorting things out and getting specs " |
| 22:14.00 | kergoth | grab the ARm ARM |
| 22:14.03 | kergoth | (architecture reference manual) |
| 22:14.10 | HCl | mmm. |
| 22:14.15 | kergoth | ibot: arm arm |
| 22:14.15 | | i don't know, kergoth |
| 22:14.19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:14.21 | Harlekin | killefiz: .-) |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | ibot: arm |
| 22:14.23 | | somebody said arm was both big-endian and little-endian. hh-linux is little-endian |
| 22:14.23 | HCl | first i need to convince myself this module isnt too complicated for me to reverse |
| 22:14.26 | kergoth | i know someone put it in ibot |
| 22:14.40 | yakito | and the url from the original post is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=2a1633b70edf4de5802e98a991de9ce5&act=ST&f=1&t=1878&st=0 |
| 22:14.50 | HCl | its just.. a totally unknown architecture for me.. makes things much harder and repelling |
| 22:15.01 | kergoth | like i said |
| 22:15.04 | kergoth | you need th earm arm to get anywhere |
| 22:15.10 | HCl | mmm. |
| 22:16.32 | treke | dhclient and irssi dont appear to build |
| 22:18.19 | yakito | off-topic question: I want to install linux to play with zaurus - openzaurus development. Which distro should I get Mandrake 9.1 or Redhat 9.0 ? |
| 22:18.37 | treke | redhat 7.3 or debian :) |
| 22:18.41 | yakito | or which one is more standard :D |
| 22:18.46 | treke | redhat 7.3 or debian :) |
| 22:19.06 | yakito | I think that debian is something hard for me :D |
| 22:19.35 | treke | thats all the more reason to do it |
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| 22:20.23 | yakito | I have tried Suse 7.1 and RedHat 8. And my experience is that when I get a program with sources it never compiles :( There is allways a missing library |
| 22:20.29 | kergoth | yep, how else will you learn? heh |
| 22:20.34 | kergoth | you need debian |
| 22:20.37 | kergoth | then you dont run into that problem |
| 22:20.48 | treke | yakito: So you install the missing library |
| 22:21.02 | kergoth | or use debian, which gets everything apps need for you |
| 22:21.04 | treke | you dont just give up on installing the program |
| 22:21.13 | kergoth | even when compiling from sources manually, you can use apt-build to ensure it obtains everything |
| 22:21.32 | treke | hmmm. picogui cvs doesnt like me |
| 22:21.33 | yakito | I use apt with my redhat 8.0 |
| 22:21.40 | scanline | treke: eh? |
| 22:21.58 | treke | scanline: keep getitng "end of filefrom server" errors |
| 22:21.59 | kergoth | picogui rarely builds |
| 22:22.05 | kergoth | for oz anyway |
| 22:22.11 | scanline | treke: ah... sourceforge is being sucky today |
| 22:22.20 | kergoth | sourceforge is sucky everyday |
| 22:22.36 | scanline | kergoth: oh yeah.. does OZ handle subversion yet? |
| 22:22.42 | yakito | is there a version of debian with kde or genome ? |
| 22:22.51 | kergoth | scanline: nah, adding it is easy |
| 22:22.54 | kergoth | yakito: you can install either |
| 22:23.09 | scanline | kergoth: ok. in a few releases we'll be finally ditching CVS :) |
| 22:23.18 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 22:23.27 | treke | yakito: I hate to sound mean, but if you can't figure out how to set up a linux system, you probably wont be getting very far doing openzaurus development |
| 22:23.45 | kergoth | s/hate/love/; |
| 22:23.57 | treke | scanline: what are you switching to? |
| 22:24.02 | scanline | treke: subversion |
| 22:24.06 | treke | kergoth: bitch :) |
| 22:24.16 | kergoth | treke: and? |
| 22:24.17 | scanline | main reason is that I want to reorganize the source tree to be less confusing |
| 22:24.23 | scanline | but CVS is also annoyingly slow |
| 22:24.24 | Twiun | gotta go... g'night guys |
| 22:24.27 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 22:25.53 | yakito | treke. I have been using linux for two years. Mainly for java development at work. When I found a program that I have not been able to compile, then I do not use it. I cannot be one day, my boss does not like it :P |
| 22:28.04 | yakito | I had some problems with the printer, then I installed vmware and it did the trick :P |
| 22:28.36 | killefiz | my buildroot compile stoppes at qpe/qt-2.3.4 now - any hints? |
| 22:28.37 | killefiz | In file included from 3rdparty/freetype/src/base/ftbase.c:31: |
| 22:28.43 | killefiz | 3rdparty/freetype/src/base/ftcalc.c:240: parse error before `temp' |
| 22:30.02 | beattie | ibot buildroot |
| 22:30.04 | | [buildroot] a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 22:30.31 | beattie | ibot oz buildroot |
| 22:30.31 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:31.17 | killefiz | beattie: is that an answer to my problem? |
| 22:31.33 | kergoth | i havent seen that one killefiz |
| 22:31.46 | beattie | killefiz: don't know, it's the answer to my question |
| 22:32.18 | treke | kergoth: any point building prelink? |
| 22:32.21 | kennyj | quick question: where are the preferences for theme and color stored? I have a custom color scheme that I'd rather not retype every time I flash... |
| 22:32.25 | killefiz | kergoth: but qt should really build withouth problems, right? So it has to be a problem with my setup? |
| 22:32.36 | kergoth | killefiz: afaik yes |
| 22:32.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:32.42 | kergoth | killefiz: i have an idea, hold |
| 22:32.42 | killefiz | damn |
| 22:32.44 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes it |
| 22:32.49 | kergoth | kennyj: Settings/ dir in $HOME aka /root |
| 22:32.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: new image bout ready to roll |
| 22:33.00 | kennyj | thanks |
| 22:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice nice |
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| 22:33.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: we doing it as another rc or a release |
| 22:33.21 | kergoth | just going into experimental for now |
| 22:33.24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:33.32 | kergoth | but i want this to be a stable release |
| 22:33.35 | kergoth | no rc next |
| 22:33.38 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:33.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i hear on the fly rotation is sweet |
| 22:33.47 | treke | it is |
| 22:33.55 | TheMasterMind1 | we should get some of the stuff on the todo fixed |
| 22:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | the software |
| 22:34.01 | TheMasterMind1 | iptables and aqpkg and such |
| 22:34.24 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer-shell mysql lirc zremote opera hancomsheet |
| 22:34.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:34.39 | TheMasterMind1 | that lirc guy never emailed me |
| 22:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 22:34.46 | treke | cool php is the last app left to build :) |
| 22:35.01 | kennyj | hmm... anything in that directory that I should be wary of copying over newer installs? Anything going to break if I do that? (/root/Settings) |
| 22:35.59 | treke | kergoth: a full build has got to be way smaller than 250 megs :) |
| 22:37.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kennyj: oz has a backup app |
| 22:38.42 | kennyj | thing is, I'm trying to do this with an automated script... I've got it so that I can restore everything that's a real pain to restore by simply running two scripts, then running ipkg - but it doesn't handle any settings. >.< |
| 22:39.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: those minor app changes can occur in unstable, dont need to hold up the release |
| 22:39.30 | kennyj | hell, if I could trust my Z to *not* crash after Opie has been shut down for more than 10 seconds I'd be able to do it with just one script. |
| 22:40.07 | treke | anyone want to take bets on whether or not gcc compiles? |
| 22:42.04 | killefiz | kergoth: still remembering what your idea was? |
| 22:42.24 | kennyj | screw it. What's a good backup app that handles the /root/Settings directory, and can it be used effectively within a script? :) |
| 22:42.34 | treke | tar |
| 22:42.39 | kergoth | no, keep being distracted by real work |
| 22:42.42 | kergoth | and a billion projects |
| 22:43.39 | kergoth | i've spent more time on oz today than real work |
| 22:43.40 | kergoth | so.. |
| 22:43.44 | kergoth | cant complain too much |
| 22:43.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:43.57 | treke | hmm. thats a negative on gcc |
| 22:44.06 | kergoth | not surprising |
| 22:44.24 | treke | I'm surprised some of this stuff works |
| 22:44.41 | kennyj | well... the thing is, there're a file in root/settings that cp -a can't even handle, I presume because one of them contains an asterik... I need something smart enough to avoid that, and I don't feel masochistic enough to write a script for that - mainly because it's a little beyond my limited knowledge of scripting. |
| 22:44.55 | kergoth | eh, there shouldnt be any files in there with an * |
| 22:44.58 | treke | kergoth: tar |
| 22:44.58 | kergoth | and you should only copy *.conf |
| 22:45.05 | treke | bleh |
| 22:45.12 | kennyj | Service-Open-etext-*.conf |
| 22:45.25 | kennyj | and it'll still hit that file if I do, kergoth. >.< |
| 22:45.27 | kergoth | something in opie is borked |
| 22:45.32 | kennyj | yay |
| 22:45.51 | kennyj | nm, deleted the damn file. |
| 22:46.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:46.03 | kennyj | <aol voice>Goodbye.</aol voice> |
| 22:46.07 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 22:46.12 | kergoth | memories |
| 22:46.22 | kennyj | heh |
| 22:48.00 | kennyj | Ahh... all I'd have left to worry about now is Kismet's config files, but since they seem to like changing their format every so often I'm not even going to bother. What's 10 seconds in a text editor, anyway? |
| 22:48.19 | kennyj | I only really ever change one line... not like it matters. |
| 22:48.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:49.19 | kennyj | ok, here's one for ya. How do I make the cardmon applet not show the eject sd option? |
| 22:49.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49.45 | kergoth | if its in mtab, it'll be listed there |
| 22:49.53 | kennyj | I won't ever be removing that sd unless it breaks, and if it does, chances are it'll crash the Z anyways. I run half the system off that. |
| 22:50.52 | kennyj | well, I do like cardmon for switching my wifi card and CF disk... Yeah, I know I could just unmount it or card-eject or whatever it is, but it's less convenient. |
| 22:51.45 | HCl | yay |
| 22:51.53 | HCl | yet another movie converted to zaurus format |
| 22:53.11 | kennyj | there's gotta be some way to make cardmon do my bidding... |
| 22:55.04 | treke | feed uploading. one hour to go |
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| 22:58.35 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 22:58.40 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:01.50 | yakito | going to sleep :P |
| 23:01.51 | yakito | ciao |
| 23:02.37 | kergoth | well |
| 23:02.59 | HCl | nite |
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| 23:16.44 | treke | citool is dog ass slow |
| 23:16.55 | kergoth | bk add filename |
| 23:16.58 | treke | over 128kb upstream dsl connection that is maxing out sending images |
| 23:16.59 | kergoth | bk ci -y"message" file |
| 23:17.12 | kergoth | bk commit -y"message" or bk commit -d (uses individual file messages for the changeset) |
| 23:18.34 | treke | remote x is nice but it has it's limits :) |
| 23:24.43 | noda | No limits! :) |
| 23:24.54 | noda | It's perfect dammit! :) |
| 23:26.43 | kergoth | ~bitchslap noda |
| 23:26.45 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of noda |
| 23:26.53 | treke | X is perfect |
| 23:27.23 | Sythos | X eat ram |
| 23:27.42 | treke | X is nice and light |
| 23:28.02 | noda | X eats RAM? Yeah right. Mine's only eating 302M |
| 23:28.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28.24 | kergoth | ~bitchslap #openembedded |
| 23:28.25 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of #openembedded |
| 23:28.31 | treke | ~bitchslap kergoth |
| 23:28.32 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of kergoth |
| 23:28.32 | noda | (only 35 RES of course) |
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| 23:28.48 | kergoth | new collie image uploaded |
| 23:29.05 | kergoth | shoudl have the aqpkg parsing fix, networksettings no longer hangs while ejecting and inserting the card |
| 23:29.14 | kergoth | and light & power has increments again (was a bug in the previous image |
| 23:29.15 | kergoth | ) |
| 23:29.16 | treke | kergoth is grumpy again. he needs a newwoman |
| 23:29.24 | kergoth | heh, true that |
| 23:29.28 | kergoth | preferably one that doesnt stick |
| 23:29.29 | kergoth | stink |
| 23:29.31 | kergoth | rather |
| 23:29.33 | noda | Increments? As in, lots? |
| 23:29.38 | kergoth | as in, not 0 |
| 23:29.43 | noda | Oh, heh |
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| 23:29.45 | kergoth | again, there was a bug in the previous image |
| 23:29.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:30.06 | noda | I'm SO behind :) |
| 23:30.26 | scanline | kergoth: where's the configuration you usually use to build OZ? |
| 23:30.43 | kergoth | ibot: oz bk |
| 23:30.44 | | from memory, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 23:30.54 | scanline | oh, def-configs |
| 23:30.56 | treke | oz snapshot |
| 23:31.00 | treke | ~oz snapshot |
| 23:31.01 | | well, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 23:31.13 | treke | does that actually work again? |
| 23:32.08 | scanline | treke: it should... |
| 23:32.17 | scanline | and I just used it, since I don't have bk installed on this machine :) |
| 23:32.32 | treke | did someone fix it? |
| 23:32.42 | scanline | I don't think there was anything broken with it |
| 23:32.46 | treke | it was broken |
| 23:32.54 | scanline | how? |
| 23:32.59 | treke | it wasnt updating |
| 23:33.04 | kergoth | scanline: remember, you hit that conflit |
| 23:33.08 | kergoth | conflict |
| 23:33.09 | kergoth | the pull failed |
| 23:33.13 | kergoth | so the content was old |
| 23:33.14 | scanline | eh.. |
| 23:33.19 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 23:33.20 | scanline | the pull is working now though |
| 23:33.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:33.27 | treke | ok |
| 23:33.28 | scanline | but I didn't change anything :) |
| 23:33.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:34.05 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:34.07 | scanline | *** These critical programs are missing or too old:gcc |
| 23:34.08 | scanline | *** Check the INSTALL file for required versions. |
| 23:34.14 | scanline | that's my cross-gcc it's referring to, right? |
| 23:34.18 | kergoth | depends |
| 23:34.20 | kergoth | what is it building? |
| 23:34.25 | scanline | glibc |
| 23:34.41 | kergoth | you cant build glibc 2.3.x with gcc2.x |
| 23:34.47 | kergoth | and cant build glibc 2.2.4 with gcc3.x |
| 23:35.14 | scanline | methinks i'll just tell OZ to build a new cross compiler :) |
| 23:35.31 | scanline | want to try out 3.2 on the zaurus anyway |
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| 23:37.51 | endr_z | anyone had problems when killing aqpkg? opie exiting? |
| 23:38.00 | kergoth | its not just killing aqpkg |
| 23:38.04 | kergoth | killing a hung app kills opie |
| 23:38.05 | kergoth | known bug |
| 23:38.08 | endr_z | aha |
| 23:38.13 | treke | kergoth: that bug is back? |
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| 23:38.22 | treke | it was fixed for a while |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | apparently |
| 23:38.24 | kergoth | i keep getting reports |
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| 23:38.56 | treke | it happened to me last night |
| 23:39.11 | treke | a couple times |
| 23:39.31 | endr_z | can I help fix? |
| 23:39.35 | treke | sure |
| 23:39.36 | kergoth | grab cvs |
| 23:39.38 | treke | download the source |
| 23:39.55 | endr_z | got it, just need to cvs update again |
| 23:40.03 | endr_z | hints? |
| 23:40.08 | treke | look in the launcher code |
| 23:40.28 | treke | in the part that kills processes |
| 23:40.38 | treke | thats probably where the bug is |
| 23:40.41 | endr_z | k |
| 23:40.50 | treke | as opposed to the solitaire code |
| 23:41.14 | endr_z | or the datebook code |
| 23:41.25 | treke | now your getting the idea |
| 23:41.51 | treke | thats more than I can say for most people in here |
| 23:41.58 | gaurdian | so kergoth , we expecting a new rc this afternoon/evening ? |
| 23:42.00 | treke | myself included |
| 23:42.06 | endr_z | heh |
| 23:42.08 | kergoth | not releasiing a new rc |
| 23:42.13 | kergoth | i'm pushing 3.2 final out |
| 23:42.21 | gaurdian | oh really ? ok |
| 23:42.42 | gaurdian | this eve ? sweet |
| 23:42.55 | scanline | hm.. is the crosscompiler compiling in OZ supposed to work? :) |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | the gcc3 one? |
| 23:43.21 | kergoth | yes, i bulit a toolchain with it a while ago |
| 23:43.26 | kergoth | thoguh i used a differnet binutils ver |
| 23:43.39 | scanline | hmm |
| 23:44.14 | kergoth | kernel wont compile |
| 23:44.22 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie GCCVER=2.95.3 |
| 23:45.17 | scanline | I'm not even getting past binutils... it's trying to put files into /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib, when that directory doesn't exist |
| 23:45.53 | treke | are you not using an x86 machine? |
| 23:46.24 | scanline | this is x86 |
| 23:46.36 | treke | then wwhy not just use the prebuilt toolchain? |
| 23:46.43 | treke | save yourself a lot of time |
| 23:46.48 | scanline | because I wanted to try this... |
| 23:46.52 | scanline | I don't like binary packages |
