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| 00:50.11 | elron | ¡ olà ! |
| 00:50.32 | elron | I have heard busybox is suid root by default |
| 00:50.52 | elron | is that true ? |
| 00:53.55 | tzanger | elron: ls -l /bin/busybox |
| 00:57.37 | elron | I do not have it ready yet |
| 01:08.19 | treke|home | elron: no it isnt |
| 01:08.34 | treke|home | at least non on oz any more |
| 01:08.38 | treke|home | it is on some systems |
| 01:08.59 | treke|home | (needs to be for some things) |
| 01:09.39 | elron | ok |
| 01:09.57 | treke|home | older versions of oz did use it suid |
| 01:12.22 | Cutt | anyone can tell me how to add an icon to destop of opie? |
| 01:12.43 | yeiazel | install the tab manager |
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| 01:13.33 | Cutt | yeiazel: i have launcher |
| 01:13.37 | Cutt | is it? |
| 01:13.41 | treke|home | Cutt: no shit |
| 01:13.48 | treke|home | Tab Manager |
| 01:13.57 | yeiazel | Cutt: t.a.b. m.a.n.a.g.e.r. |
| 01:14.14 | Cutt | ok, ok excuse |
| 01:14.17 | yeiazel | gimme your phone number so I can spell it |
| 01:14.33 | yeiazel | ... not sure you can read |
| 01:14.48 | tzanger | I'm trying to create a java .jar for evm but I keep getting java.lang.ClassFormatError on the class files -- I am using jikes 1.18 to create it and I'm specifying to create v1.1 files which should work, shouldn't they? |
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| 01:29.01 | Cutt | yeiazel: ipkg install opie-tabmanager.ecc ecc tell me that ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-tabmanager: |
| 01:29.01 | Cutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.13 | Cutt | But i have installed it |
| 01:29.24 | kergoth`bbl | somebody forgot a comma in the Depends field of that package, i'd say. |
| 01:29.28 | Cutt | or better they are already installed |
| 01:31.52 | Cutt | kergoth: how can i install then? |
| 01:32.01 | kergoth | eh? check the -force-depends box |
| 01:32.11 | Cutt | ok |
| 01:32.57 | Cutt | but via command line becouse AQPkg does not run fine with local packages |
| 01:33.14 | Cutt | then ipkg -force-depends install bla bla |
| 01:33.15 | kergoth | what? |
| 01:33.23 | kergoth | aqpkg installs local packages just fine |
| 01:33.25 | kergoth | but suit yourself |
| 01:33.31 | kergoth | i really dont give a shit by what method you install it |
| 01:34.16 | kenb | :) |
| 01:34.35 | Cutt | i'm using 0.7 pre 6 . with opie 0.92 ; with 0.6 and 0.91 works fine |
| 01:34.44 | Cutt | now it does not work so fine |
| 01:34.59 | kergoth | 'does not work so fine' doesnt tell me a fucking thing, for 1 |
| 01:35.14 | kergoth | for 2, #opie or #handhelds.org is the more appropriate place, givne you're running familiar |
| 01:35.35 | kergoth | yo ken, whats goin on? |
| 01:35.44 | kergoth | beautiful out here today, was nice to actually have the windows open for once this year |
| 01:35.45 | Cutt | ok see you, thanks |
| 01:36.38 | tzanger | bah |
| 01:36.44 | tzanger | what else is evm missing for classes |
| 01:36.54 | tzanger | no BufferedImage, no java.lang.Double.parseDouble |
| 01:37.16 | kergoth | heh, you'd probably want to talk to twiun, the resident java expert |
| 01:37.25 | tzanger | twiun? ok |
| 01:38.04 | kergoth | yep, he's the guy that maintains the Z java faq, among other things |
| 01:38.09 | tzanger | ok |
| 01:38.28 | tzanger | I have been hunting through the z java faq for a clear answer of what is and isn't in evm but without much success |
| 01:38.43 | treke|home | kergoth: what did you want to use for the frontend to bootmenu? |
| 01:38.53 | tzanger | I did manage to download and install Blackdown's arm j2re but the damned thing wants libXm and X ain't installed |
| 01:39.06 | yeiazel | kergoth: have you planned to include xmms in the next release ? the zsi xmms page tells to download it on the testing or unstable oz feed... then I can't even try to download it somewhere... |
| 01:39.21 | kergoth | the plan was to put in place a sane format for the files configuring the gui spawn process, so that we can provide any number of frontends |
| 01:39.27 | kergoth | but the first and easiest would be curses/dialog |
| 01:39.38 | kergoth | yeiazel: talk to bipolar, he maintains our unstable feed |
| 01:40.00 | yeiazel | yeah, right, you've already said that :) sorry |
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| 01:40.12 | dep | tzanger: it is basically java 1.1 |
| 01:40.27 | tzanger | dep: so I hear, but BufferedImage is supposed to be in 1.1 |
| 01:40.41 | tzanger | jre1.1, I don't know if jvm1.1 is any different |
| 01:40.56 | dep | if you want to know the classes, unzip a copy of the jar files in the installation...you can see all the classes then |
| 01:41.11 | tzanger | yeah that'd work too I think |
| 01:43.06 | tzanger | giving wonka a shot |
| 01:43.11 | tzanger | wtf is up with these names |
| 01:43.18 | tzanger | if they're trying to be cute it ain't workin :-) |
| 01:59.27 | kenb | yes. |
| 02:02.11 | ljp | bleh |
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| 02:13.06 | ljp | time for coffee |
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| 02:14.43 | tzanger | hmm |
| 02:14.55 | tzanger | if I restart opie the keyboard doesn't work worth a shit anymore |
| 02:18.49 | huhhhh | what is the function of the task-opie-* packages? |
| 02:27.25 | treke|home | someone motivate me |
| 02:28.16 | tzanger | treke|home: get to work you lazy bastard! |
| 02:28.22 | kenb | ~lart treke |
| 02:28.34 | treke|home | neither of those worked |
| 02:30.08 | kenb | treke: go fix some shit already. |
| 02:30.37 | tzanger | bah |
| 02:30.45 | tzanger | java seems 'orribly broken on zaurus |
| 02:31.08 | kenb | not surprising... |
| 02:31.10 | tzanger | evm's not really 1.1 complete, blackdown wants X11 and Wonka's wonky |
| 02:31.56 | ljp | treke: stop watching tv |
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| 03:38.03 | TrekCycling | kergoth: are you there? |
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| 04:06.37 | DocWhat | Howdy. :-) |
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| 04:58.19 | chouimat|away | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgg |
| 04:58.53 | DocWhat | chouimat|away: You don't say. |
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| 05:09.59 | chouimat | kergoth: P |
| 05:10.01 | chouimat | kergoth: PING |
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| 05:23.39 | chouimat | treke|home: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/tqs5.jpg <--- need 21 to see that :) |
| 05:24.05 | chouimat | treke|home: just found out that my landlord came today when I was away .... |
| 05:25.35 | treke|home | interesting |
| 05:25.42 | chouimat | treke|home: local tv :) |
| 05:39.49 | ccamp | thats messed, |
| 05:57.09 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 06:25.11 | kennyj | anyone know what would keep Konq from installing on RC3.1? |
| 06:25.41 | kennyj | it claims to have a missing dependency... even though ignore dependencies is enabled >.< |
| 06:29.06 | kennyj | oh yeah, it also gives a permission denied error in /tmp then says a file doesn't exist. |
| 06:29.25 | kennyj | even though /tmp had normal permissions and everything else works just fine... |
| 06:37.17 | kennyj | gah.... I really gotta stop working on this stuff late at night. |
| 06:37.19 | kennyj | peace out. |
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| 08:48.12 | schurig | kergoth: hi! OE's "oebuild" would actually compile something if we had proper *.oe files |
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| 09:55.48 | schurig | mickeyl: moin! |
| 09:56.04 | schurig | yous seem to be equally computer addicted as I |
| 09:58.03 | mickeyl | morning Schurig... |
| 09:58.08 | mickeyl | yeah, I'm afraid so :) |
| 09:58.31 | schurig | hehe, I at least have an excuse: my wife is still sleeping and I like to play some rounds of Mahjongg ... |
| 09:58.36 | mickeyl | my wife is still sleeping and so I have the chance to do some things before I must go to work on repairing my car |
| 09:58.40 | mickeyl | ahhhahaha |
| 09:58.53 | tronical | hehhe |
| 09:59.21 | schurig | so we have evidence: sleeping wifes make their husbands kill time at their computers ... :-) |
| 09:59.33 | mickeyl | damn true that, yeah :-) |
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| 10:09.36 | mickeyl | schurig: RSA1 key sent. |
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| 10:11.51 | schurig | mickeyl: key received, now I have to ssh into that thingy and add it (I have to look into their webpage how to do that ...) |
| 10:15.02 | schurig | mickeyl: you have been added, try the clone |
| 10:16.57 | mickeyl | ah she's waking up... bbl in a few hours... |
| 10:16.59 | mickeyl | :) |
| 10:17.10 | mickeyl|bbl | thanks, btw. |
| 10:19.36 | schurig | mickeyl|bbl: you can try to login as admin, too. See http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/BitKeeper |
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| 10:50.13 | Baldrick | Hi, im having problems with usb conectivity from my linux box to my zaurus-5500 runing OZ3.1-rc3.1 an i correct in thinking that having Oz on my zaurus means i can use the standard unpatched version of usbnet in kernel 2.4.20? |
| 10:53.42 | carsten | you are wrong |
| 10:53.52 | carsten | that patch has been included in 2.4.21-pre1 oder pre2 |
| 10:55.55 | Baldrick | ah, sorry i was under the impression that the patch was only to solve a problem with the stock rom, i have been reading http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ , thanks, do you know if it has been backported to 2.4.20 at all? |
| 10:56.17 | carsten | Baldrick: you can use the patch against vanilla 2.4.20 |
| 10:56.32 | carsten | and mandrake and so on have it in their 2.4.20 AFAIK |
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| 10:56.55 | carsten | Baldrick: and while patching you kernel: add the ptrace-patch ;) |
| 10:57.10 | Baldrick | :) cheers |
| 10:58.37 | Baldrick | i had the zaurus since last july and have failed to get it connection to linux over usb reliably, thanks for the help, might be able to test kitchensync today yet. |
| 11:05.45 | carsten | Baldrick: that is cool! Also report any problem with our howto |
| 11:05.55 | carsten | I try to keep that uptodate |
| 11:09.02 | Baldrick | carsten: i presume this is the correct patch? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/usb/2.4/usb-usbnet-2.4.20.patch |
| 11:10.30 | carsten | yes |
| 11:10.46 | carsten | but I already fixed that usbnet.c in 2.4.21-pre5 (typos) |
| 11:11.26 | Baldrick | hmm, i'd rather not go to a pre kernel |
| 11:13.45 | Baldrick | carstem: is this: http://www.linux-migration.org/index.html the faq you mentioned? |
| 11:14.01 | carsten | now, look at: |
| 11:14.16 | carsten | http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/ktichensync.html |
| 11:14.20 | carsten | http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html |
| 11:15.25 | Baldrick | already got that compiled with the new kde3.1.1 i compile overnight, but usb was bugging out on me |
| 11:15.42 | Baldrick | so i thought id start again from the begining |
| 11:19.11 | Twiun | mornin |
| 11:20.37 | schurig | Twiun: moin |
| 11:28.30 | Baldrick | carsten: you seen these two messages before: kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 645 |
| 11:28.32 | Baldrick | kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 11:28.50 | carsten | never seen, sorry |
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| 11:33.26 | Baldrick | unfortunatley thats what i get & it seems to kill that usb port. strangely i can scp files to the Z but as soon as i try to use kitchensync i get that. |
| 11:40.02 | carsten | ok, so ssh to the Z works? |
| 11:43.45 | Baldrick | yup |
| 11:44.08 | carsten | mmh, no idea. Perhaps you ask the opie-lsit?` |
| 11:44.10 | carsten | list |
| 11:44.15 | Cutt | i'm back |
| 11:44.54 | Baldrick | k, thanks for your help anway |
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| 12:24.24 | Bowser | Hi pp |
| 12:24.26 | Bowser | ppl |
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| 13:01.32 | Piete | hey guys |
| 13:01.42 | schurig | Hi to korea |
| 13:02.19 | Piete | anyone have this problem? OZ 3.1rc3.1 does not recognize any of my CF devices at all.. |
| 13:02.22 | Piete | yo schurig |
| 13:03.06 | schurig | pcmcia_cs and hotplug installed? |
| 13:03.29 | schurig | what does "cardctl ident" say? |
| 13:04.11 | Piete | no product info available |
| 13:05.25 | schurig | no clue on how to help you further, I don't have a Zaurus at home... |
| 13:06.17 | Piete | thats ok.. I see there is ton of updated packages in the feeds.. I'll update them and see if it fixes anything.. |
| 13:06.34 | Piete | I hope it doesnt messes anything up :) |
| 13:06.40 | Piete | argh, grammar |
| 13:06.42 | Piete | lol |
| 13:08.54 | schurig | Piete: when cardctl ident doesn't work then usually some hardware or low-level kernel driver problem is involved |
| 13:09.41 | Piete | humm... I doubt all of my cf hardware (2 cf cards, on wifi card) would fail at the same time.. unless, of course it means my cf slot is b0rked |
| 13:10.07 | Piete | in which case I'd be seriously pissed, and go and buy a pocketpc... hmm,, no, maybe not that.. |
| 13:10.15 | Piete | hehe |
| 13:11.57 | Piete | something is messed up in the packages in the feeds.. |
| 13:12.20 | Piete | some apps do not behave the way they show.. |
| 13:12.23 | Piete | should even |
| 13:13.03 | Piete | like opie-clock.. the stopwatch function is crazy.. when you tap on 'start', it jumps to the current time.. it does not start ticking.. |
| 13:13.56 | schurig | Piete: I meant the kernel driver that is responsible for the SA1111 which does the PCMCIA/CF thingy |
| 13:14.02 | schurig | maybe this kernel driver isn't loaded |
| 13:14.06 | schurig | what does lsmod say? |
| 13:14.38 | Piete | does it have a specific name? |
| 13:14.50 | Piete | there is too many to justify a paste. |
| 13:15.02 | schurig | I don't know, on my ramses is something like pxa_cs or so |
| 13:15.59 | Piete | sa1100_bi sa1100_ir sharp_mmcsd_m collie_tc35143af collie_ssp devinfo net_fd usbdcore usbdmonitor |
| 13:18.47 | schurig | Look with something ending in _cs.o in /lib/modules and beyond |
| 13:20.28 | Piete | there is lots of stuff in /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/pcmcia/ |
| 13:20.51 | schurig | Piete: so just "modprobe" the correct one :-) |
| 13:21.42 | Piete | schurig: I just want to use my cf memory card... |
| 13:22.05 | Piete | and I don't see anything that looks suitable.. |
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| 13:35.08 | Piete | is there any open-source games that can be played online? (not cube, ggz, or atlantik) |
| 13:37.44 | Piete | maybe I should flash the normal sharp-rom again.. I have to be able to actualy use the zaurus.. |
| 13:39.51 | Piete | nite guys... |
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| 14:00.47 | HCl | hmmmz |
| 14:04.37 | HCl | has irda been fixed in 3.1rc3 yet |
| 14:04.37 | HCl | ? |
| 14:05.09 | HCl | it inits the infrared port as a serial device, breaking standard irda tools... you can get it to work by manually irattaching to the device then setting discovery on.. |
| 14:09.25 | HCl | guess it hasnt o.o |
| 14:11.48 | ljp | boom |
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| 14:38.48 | effy | anyone know of the C700 support in OZ? |
| 14:40.30 | ljp | being worked on last I heard |
| 14:40.40 | ljp | kergoth has a c700 |
| 14:40.44 | effy | so trying to install it would be stupid? |
| 14:40.44 | effy | hehe |
| 14:40.51 | effy | it isnt in 3.1? |
| 14:41.01 | ljp | no opie on it yet |
| 14:41.18 | effy | opie was what again? heh |
| 14:41.28 | effy | what happened o the OE page? |
| 14:42.54 | ljp | opie is a bad boy that throw temper tantrums |
| 14:43.17 | effy | heh ok |
| 14:44.46 | ljp | or, if you are german, opie means grandfather, or something |
| 14:44.49 | effy | know of any place to buy spare stylus for the C700? |
| 14:44.53 | effy | sure |
| 14:45.20 | ljp | I got replacement stylus for 5000d at office depot |
| 14:45.52 | effy | we'll see if they have them a the ODs here |
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| 14:47.08 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:48.03 | effy | sup? |
| 14:49.04 | ljp | yo |
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| 15:00.13 | effy | damned SuSE wont find my keyboard now. |
| 15:01.07 | effy | hmmm, but neither does windows LOL |
| 15:02.38 | carsten | how do you type? |
| 15:03.04 | ljp | with telepathy |
| 15:03.27 | effy | it's a different computer ;) |
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| 15:06.19 | effy | must be something with the hardware |
| 15:06.26 | effy | fails to get two different keyboards |
| 15:06.44 | ljp | hmm.. bios time |
| 15:07.06 | effy | it finds it in the bios no prob. can navigate and everything |
| 15:09.31 | ljp | maybe try cold boot |
| 15:09.46 | ljp | hmm .. nm. |
| 15:09.47 | effy | I'm clearing the bios |
| 15:10.04 | ljp | send the box to me, I can fix it. ;) |
| 15:10.55 | effy | LOL |
| 15:11.09 | effy | it's not that impressive of a box, really |
| 15:19.41 | effy | dammit, just doesnt wanna work |
| 15:20.29 | tzanger | I think my favourite of all spam is the spam that says "Are you sick of deleting junk email?" |
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| 15:27.58 | Twiun | tzanger: saw your wonka comment higher up... |
| 15:28.07 | tzanger | Twiun: hey there |
| 15:28.08 | tzanger | yeah |
| 15:28.21 | tzanger | it just gives me null pointer exception after null pointer exception |
| 15:28.27 | Twiun | did anyone actually say the AWT was functional? (it's not supposed to be yet) |
| 15:28.53 | tzanger | Twiun: not that I'm aware of (I was having a hell of a time finding documentation on the specific jvm/jres) |
| 15:29.24 | tzanger | Twiun: do you know what definately is and is not in evm's implementation? so far I know that BufferedImage and Double something are both missing |
| 15:29.52 | tzanger | I believe I saw an X server for zaurus... that would mean i have a pretty good shot at getting blackdown's jre to work |
| 15:29.59 | Twiun | tzanger: Jeode appears to follow the PersonalJava 1.2 spec to the letter |
| 15:30.24 | Twiun | tzanger: blackdown+x+gtk libs+...+... gets quite heavyweight :) |
| 15:30.33 | tzanger | hmm ok so it's not Jeode's fault, it's PersonalJava's :-) |
| 15:30.38 | tzanger | Twiun: I agree that will get quite heavy |
| 15:30.53 | tzanger | I'm not sure if I need gtk at all... but I don't know what all blackdown's going to be looking for |
| 15:31.05 | Twiun | tzanger: lemme see if wonka actually has a (obviously incomplete) BufferedImage class |
| 15:31.24 | Twiun | blackdown uses gtk bindings afaik... or it could even be motif |
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| 15:31.30 | Twiun | hey tmm |
| 15:32.08 | Twiun | tzanger: nope, no BufferedImage in wonka... let's see when it was introduced |
| 15:32.37 | tzanger | Yeah I see that BufferedImage isn't there from looking at the javasrc documentation... where are you looking to see when it was introduced? |
| 15:32.47 | tzanger | afaik XWT is supposed to play nice with any java 1.1 implementation |
| 15:34.06 | Twiun | tzanger: well, I'm checking the 1.1.8 docs, but also the java api compatibility tool reports at http://rainbow.netreach.net/~sballard/japi/ |
| 15:35.01 | Twiun | tzanger: what's the XWT webpage? |
| 15:35.09 | tzanger | I was hoping I could just hack on the necessary classes to evm but I need to get a better idea of what all XWT's using |
| 15:35.37 | Twiun | tzanger: you may find that BufferedImage has native implementations on most platforms though |
| 15:35.41 | tzanger | yes |
| 15:35.44 | tzanger | I did find that |
| 15:36.01 | tzanger | with the help of a friend I did some nasty hacking to get BufferedImage converted to just Image and that worked |
| 15:36.13 | tzanger | Twiun: I'm not so much interested in speed as just a proof of concept atm |
| 15:36.14 | tzanger | :-) |
| 15:36.29 | tzanger | hmm |
| 15:36.40 | tzanger | wonka vs jdk1.1 claims 97.62% good on awt |
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| 15:37.31 | Twiun | tzanger: yeah, but that never covers the native peers |
| 15:37.41 | tzanger | what's that mean? |
| 15:38.12 | Twiun | tzanger: 97% good on the package java.awt - java.awt is backed by sun.awt.* stuff in Sun's JVM |
| 15:38.42 | tzanger | Twiun: if you join #flood I can show you what's crashing exactly |
| 15:38.49 | Twiun | tzanger: non java* packages aren't part of the public interface, aren't documented and so can't be tested... sure, one sec |
| 15:40.32 | tzanger | hmm ok so I was wrong right off the bat? |
| 15:40.44 | Twiun | tzanger: the default wonka stuff from acunia only has a framebuffer AWT implementation |
| 15:40.57 | tzanger | yeah it takes over the screen pretty well :-) |
| 15:41.00 | Twiun | that's why I'm working on getting it a Qt/Embedded one |
| 15:41.31 | Twiun | tzanger: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/ |
| 15:41.34 | tzanger | Twiun: ok... but having it just fb would just mean it fights with QT/E right? |
| 15:41.50 | Twiun | tzanger: yeah, but also, there's no support for the touchscreen |
| 15:41.51 | tzanger | ahh |
| 15:41.59 | tzanger | ok I just read what you wrote on your homepage |
| 15:42.19 | Twiun | that's just a project page... main site has the faq too |
| 15:42.27 | tzanger | ok I'll try this out and see what it does |
| 15:42.45 | tzanger | what's the difference between 0.9.4 and 0.9.4-smw? |
| 15:43.29 | Twiun | hmmm, might have left debug info in there... one sec, lemme upload my current working version |
| 15:43.34 | tzanger | generic question now -- if I restart opie, the keyboard doesn't seem to work right anymore.. this is 3.1rc3.1 |
| 15:43.50 | tzanger | is there a way to restart the keyboard handler? |
| 15:44.01 | Twiun | I get the same problem... no idea though |
| 15:44.15 | Twiun | tzanger: give me a few mins :) I've broken my package... |
| 15:44.28 | tzanger | heh ok np |
| 15:44.36 | tzanger | rm -rf open-wonka is still going |
| 15:44.51 | tzanger | I have to admit that the zaurus is a neat little machine |
| 15:45.12 | tzanger | will the 5600 be that significantly different? I mean besides the core processor change and huge battery |
| 15:45.22 | Twiun | yeah, the default tarball from acunia has loads of files |
| 15:45.41 | Twiun | dunno about the 5600, I'm still using a 5000d |
| 15:45.58 | tzanger | I am borrowing an 5500 from a guy at my local LUG to see if I want to buy one or not |
| 15:46.25 | Twiun | well, with regards to java support, it could be better :) |
| 15:46.31 | tzanger | heh |
| 15:46.57 | tzanger | I would be hoping to write a specific platform file for the zaurus for xwt if it works well enogh |
| 15:47.21 | tzanger | basically a QTE wrapper, as the default linux binary is for X11 |
| 15:47.55 | tzanger | Twiun: heh well I have a .jar that hacks around the BufferedImage requirement |
| 15:48.07 | tzanger | let me see what that Double function was that I ran against next |
| 15:48.37 | Twiun | doh!... the wonka package is already there :) |
| 15:48.38 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/wonka_0.9.5-smw3_arm.ipk |
| 15:48.47 | tzanger | java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: java/lang/Double.parseDouble(Ljava/lang/String;)D |
| 15:49.25 | Twiun | yup... javadocs says "since 1.2" |
| 15:49.28 | tzanger | bah |
| 15:49.34 | tzanger | Adam's full of shit :-( |
| 15:49.41 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:50.18 | tzanger | Twiun: that was for Double.parseDouble? |
| 15:50.23 | Twiun | I should write an app to test compatibility with 1. |
| 15:50.29 | Twiun | tzanger: yup, in the 1.4.1 javadocs |
| 15:51.03 | Twiun | tzanger: might be able to use the constructor Double(String s)... |
| 15:51.05 | tzanger | hmm I should grab wre.jar too I think :-) |
| 15:51.11 | Twiun | tzanger: no need |
| 15:51.15 | Twiun | tzanger: it's in the package |
| 15:51.17 | tzanger | hmm I get a segfault |
| 15:51.26 | tzanger | wonka -cp xwt.jar org.xwt.Main http://www.mixdown.ca/~xwt/dhsp.xwar |
| 15:51.31 | tzanger | ABORT Wonka: startLoading 569: Could not find boot class library`opt/QtPalmtop/lib/wonka/wre.jar'. |
| 15:51.32 | tzanger | Segmentation fault |
| 15:51.46 | Twiun | do a find for wre.jar |
| 15:51.49 | Twiun | should be in there |
| 15:52.09 | tzanger | yeah |
| 15:52.15 | tzanger | it's in /mnt/card where I put it heheh |
| 15:52.32 | Twiun | symlink the lib/wonka subdir |
| 15:53.41 | Twiun | how did you install it? my oz package stuff makes the right symlinks by default |
| 15:53.55 | tzanger | ipkg install -d sd filename.ipk |
| 15:54.02 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 15:54.12 | Twiun | do ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 15:54.51 | tzanger | what's that do just find anything that's in the sd and symlink it into /opt? |
| 15:55.21 | tzanger | hmm got something different now :-) |
| 15:55.23 | tzanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.23 | Twiun | well, not everything - it only does installed packages' installed files |
| 15:55.42 | Twiun | tzanger: lol, no applet support yet |
| 15:55.47 | tzanger | heh ok |
| 15:56.05 | Twiun | it's already on the todo though |
| 15:56.06 | tzanger | I might try the whole X11/motif/blackdown just to see if it works |
| 15:56.10 | tzanger | I appreciate your help |
| 15:56.16 | Twiun | no problem :) |
| 15:56.39 | tzanger | is there anything I need to do for X11 support? just install the package? There are no config files to edit or? |
| 15:57.02 | Twiun | that I don't know. I installed X11 once when I got my 5000d :) |
| 15:57.59 | TheMasterMind1 | tzanger: ya just install tinyx from oz feed |
| 15:58.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and either fluxbox or icewm |
| 16:02.51 | carsten | fb :) |
| 16:03.48 | tzanger | carsten: :-) |
| 16:04.54 | tzanger | ok so tinyx _replaces_ qte? |
| 16:05.15 | carsten | tzanger: I just love fluxbox |
| 16:06.30 | tzanger | hmm maybe tinyx was already installed |
| 16:06.40 | tzanger | I need motif then :-) |
| 16:10.01 | tzanger | bah |
| 16:15.17 | tzanger | hmm is there a javadoc/javasrc for evm? |
| 16:15.20 | tzanger | insignia's website blows |
| 16:16.13 | tzanger | and esmertec's is worse (unbelievable but true) |
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| 17:04.19 | Twiun | tzanger: no javadocs that I know of, and certainly no sources |
| 17:17.48 | tzanger | yeah |
| 17:17.56 | tzanger | alrighty |
| 17:18.53 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:19.01 | tzanger | so do I just shut down opie and start tinyx then? |
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| 17:20.36 | kennyj | Anyone know of a good external battery pack? Preferrably one that can be purchased via Paypal? ;) |
| 17:23.07 | tzanger | hmm gtk deosn't appear to have a package |
| 17:29.11 | TheMasterMind1 | there is no gtk |
| 17:29.13 | TheMasterMind1 | in oz |
| 17:29.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yet |
| 17:29.29 | TheMasterMind1 | tinyx is really limited |
| 17:29.30 | tzanger | ah |
| 17:30.28 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:30.32 | tzanger | I see now that XWT is Java1.2+ |
| 17:30.39 | Twiun | hehe |
| 17:30.55 | tzanger | in xwt/src/org/xwt/plat/Java2.java |
| 17:31.03 | tzanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.10 | tzanger | however I bet it could be brought down to 1.1 |
| 17:31.22 | Twiun | depends on what features it needs |
| 17:31.25 | tzanger | yup |
| 17:31.34 | tzanger | I am _positive_ it was Java1.1 at one point |
| 17:32.45 | Twiun | doesn't it have a cvs repo? |
| 17:32.56 | tzanger | yes |
| 17:33.03 | tzanger | I do some hacking on XWT |
| 17:36.25 | tzanger | whoa that got significantly farther |
| 17:43.34 | Twiun | how much farther? |
| 17:43.52 | tzanger | Twiun: well my errors are now outside of the Java2 platform code :-) |
| 17:43.59 | tzanger | now it's barfing in the PNG handler |
| 17:44.25 | Twiun | blackdown's png handler? |
| 17:44.33 | tzanger | no no this is evm still |
| 17:44.58 | Twiun | could be it's buggy... any way of using another format? |
| 17:45.05 | tzanger | well hang on |
| 17:45.12 | tzanger | instead of using DoubleBuffer I'm doing this nasty |
| 17:46.13 | tzanger | instead of i = BufferedImage(cm, ...) I am saying |
| 17:46.28 | tzanger | Label l = new Label ("AWT sucks"); |
| 17:46.43 | tzanger | Frame f = new Frame(); f.add(l); f.show(); |
| 17:46.50 | tzanger | i = l.createImage(w,h); |
| 17:47.31 | Twiun | hmmm, why would it use png with that |
| 17:47.47 | tzanger | it's not, but that's XWT's generic BufferedImage now :-) |
| 17:47.51 | tzanger | and it'd be loading pngs into there |
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| 17:48.41 | Twiun | ah |
| 17:49.07 | tzanger | basically XWT can run on a number of different platforms so there are stubs for each platform |
| 17:49.25 | tzanger | I'm just trying to avoid the use of several 1.2 classes it seems to want |
| 17:50.05 | tzanger | the three it took was BufferedImage, Double.fromString or sommat and javax.swing.FocusManager.setCurrentManager |
| 17:50.18 | bipolar_nothere | does anyone know if there is a fb vncserver for the ipaq? All I see is one for the zaurus. |
| 17:50.51 | bipolar | heh... always forget that... |
| 17:55.15 | kergoth | yeah there is, its in the sources |
| 17:55.18 | lsmith | i am using xmms from rc2 on rc3.1 and I have an odd issue |
| 17:55.26 | kergoth | morning all |
| 17:55.37 | lsmith | every now and then xmms stops to register input from the navigation button |
| 17:55.58 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 17:56.02 | lsmith | then it outputs sme cryptic letters in the bottom of the screen whenever i press a button |
| 17:56.08 | lsmith | a reboot fixes the problem |
| 17:58.15 | chouimat | ljp: http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/49/49515P2.html |
| 17:59.49 | ljp | 1 q.... spit or swallow |
| 18:01.43 | ljp | they always neglect to answer that question in their profiles |
| 18:01.53 | schurig | chouimat: I like this " I am charming and very sexy". Women don't say this about themselves. So it's clearly brushed up by some agency |
| 18:02.35 | chouimat | schurig: I know but I think my brother will order her soon ... |
| 18:02.37 | tzanger | it's sad that I have to look in the second-to-last age category |
| 18:03.15 | tzanger | tha's more my style |
| 18:03.16 | tzanger | http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/49/49350P2.html |
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| 18:03.38 | schurig | kergoth: we need to decide on how to continue with OE |
| 18:03.59 | tzanger | http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/49/49135P2.html or that |
| 18:04.00 | kergoth | yes, another discussion/meeting is in order. |
| 18:04.08 | kergoth | brb, booting onto 2.5.65-mm1 |
| 18:04.28 | chouimat | tzanger: http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/49/49229P3.html |
| 18:04.41 | tzanger | she sure don't look 30 |
| 18:05.11 | chouimat | tzanger: the second you posted is my age ... |
| 18:05.27 | tzanger | http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/48/48749P1.html |
| 18:05.30 | tzanger | she's pretty, and my age |
| 18:05.46 | tzanger | I wonder what my wife would think if I ordered a russian bride :-) |
| 18:06.23 | schurig | tzanger: maybe she likes it, then she would say "spassibo" |
| 18:06.31 | tzanger | "spassibo" ?? |
| 18:06.35 | chouimat | tzanger:depend on how you tell her :) you can say: look honey you will have someone to speak with after ... :) |
| 18:06.43 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 18:06.48 | schurig | something like that, it's russian for "thank you" AFAIK |
| 18:07.12 | tzanger | ahh |
| 18:07.58 | schurig | tzanger: you could also order http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/men/26/26450P1.html |
| 18:08.01 | schurig | (for her) :-) |
| 18:08.32 | schurig | but maybe http://www.bride.ru/ph/htcgi/men/26/26468P1.html is more her style |
| 18:09.13 | chouimat | http://www.ratemenude.com/profile.php?uid=1805&sex=f |
| 18:09.44 | chouimat | http://www.ratemenude.com/profile.php?uid=2240&sex=f |
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| 18:10.58 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: eh |
| 18:11.04 | chouimat | ok I think my brother had too much free time his spaming me with ratenude |
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| 18:12.49 | tee-zee | hmm |
| 18:12.56 | tee-zee | 2.5.65 is still a little unstable |
| 18:12.58 | tee-zee | :-) |
| 18:13.19 | chouimat | http://www.ratemenude.com/profile.php?uid=1957&sex=f |
| 18:13.34 | chouimat | http://www.ratemenude.com/profile.php?uid=959&sex=f |
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| 18:17.27 | tee-zee | heh |
| 18:20.48 | chouimat | schurig: now my brother is on www.achineseprincess.com |
| 18:24.34 | tee-zee | hahaha |
| 18:24.58 | chouimat|away | tzanger: i think he got way too much free times |
| 18:25.04 | tzanger | yeah |
| 18:28.22 | Twiun | tzanger: just added the java.applet* stuff to wonka |
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| 18:33.47 | chouimat|away | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 18:33.49 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 3 C (39 F), windspeed is 0.00 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.23 1800 UTC). |
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| 18:44.48 | mickeyl | tronical: got a chance to test an image today? |
| 18:45.20 | tronical | mickeyl: yes, I got it booting, but ran into the same ts problem as you (it not working at all) |
| 18:45.42 | mickeyl | tronical: ok. while I don't like this I'm glad its not my environment. |
| 18:45.55 | mickeyl | tronical: thanks for confirming. |
| 18:46.36 | tronical | mickeyl: (tried with and without tslib) |
| 18:47.58 | mickeyl | tronical: hmm... i see two potential sources. Either we b0rke something with the Q_WS_SL5XXX stuff or the we b0rke it while going from qte-2.3.4-beta4 to final. |
| 18:48.15 | mickeyl | i suspect the latter - somehow. |
| 18:48.25 | chouimat|away | http://www.heart-of-asia.org/member70/27032.html <--- I want 3 like her |
| 18:49.00 | mickeyl | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 18:49.05 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (39m 10s) #uclibc (39m 10s) #picogui (39m 10s) #tuxscreen (39m 10s) #zaurus (39m 10s) #elinux (39m 10s) #openembedded (39m 10s) #handhelds.org (39m 10s) #openzaurus (39m 10s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 34m 15s |
| 18:50.14 | Twiun | chouimat|away: nothing about her personality though |
| 18:51.37 | chouimat|away | Twiun: my brother is browsing bride by mail site today .... |
| 18:52.15 | Twiun | chouimat|away: he's only going for looks? |
| 18:52.33 | chouimat|away | Twiun: I hope ... :) |
| 18:54.08 | chouimat|away | ok I'm off |
| 18:58.54 | tzanger | Twiun: wow you're fast |
| 18:59.37 | Twiun | tzanger: just adapting Wonka's sources for this :) |
| 18:59.45 | tzanger | heh |
| 18:59.48 | Twiun | tzanger: it gets slower writing original code |
| 18:59.56 | tzanger | I would imagine so :-) |
| 19:00.09 | tzanger | is it still the 0.9.5-smw3_arm.ipk? |
| 19:01.07 | Twiun | yup |
| 19:01.23 | Twiun | no drastic enough changes to warrant a version change yet |
| 19:01.42 | Twiun | might go to smw4 if I get the appletviewer working |
| 19:02.10 | tzanger | what'st he smw stuff? |
| 19:02.42 | Twiun | changes to wonka by smw, those being my initials :) |
| 19:02.58 | tzanger | ahh ok |
| 19:09.08 | tzanger | hmm |
| 19:11.13 | Twiun | well... that was the first applet Wonka ran on the Z... nice black screen |
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| 19:14.12 | tzanger | I get a null pointer exception but I'm not sure where to go from there |
| 19:16.41 | Twiun | want to paste it in #flood? |
| 19:16.46 | tzanger | yeah ok |
| 19:17.37 | Twiun | simple enough :) |
| 19:18.06 | tzanger | what is it... I can't even make that one out |
| 19:18.10 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.10 | Twiun | { |
| 19:18.10 | Twiun | return null; |
| 19:18.10 | Twiun | } |
| 19:18.16 | Twiun | that's the implementation... |
| 19:18.25 | Twiun | ... so it's hardly surprising it returns null |
| 19:18.28 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 19:18.33 | Twiun | bad, bad xwt for not checking return values |
| 19:18.34 | tzanger | where did you get that from in there? |
| 19:18.51 | Twiun | my sources |
| 19:19.41 | tzanger | right but from that exception what told you it was in the font loader? |
| 19:19.56 | Twiun | actually... I misread that |
| 19:20.16 | Twiun | sorry :) I need to standardise wonka's traces with Sun's |
| 19:20.24 | tzanger | line 419 of org.xwt.plat.AWT is fontlist = new String[awtfonts.length * 4]; |
| 19:21.22 | Twiun | I'd say awtfonts is null... and if you go higher I bet you'll get something like String[] awtfonts = Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().getFontList(); |
| 19:21.42 | tzanger | oh |
| 19:21.45 | tzanger | I see where you got it now |
| 19:21.51 | tzanger | Toolkit.getFontList() duh |
| 19:21.56 | Twiun | :) |
| 19:22.12 | tzanger | I was looking in the stack trace itself |
| 19:22.32 | Twiun | yeah, that line was debug from the toolkit impl |
| 19:22.58 | Twiun | so we can: (a) handle null in your code, or (b) make me implement that properly |
| 19:23.08 | Twiun | I'd say b is probably better |
| 19:23.10 | tzanger | well |
| 19:23.44 | tzanger | hmm the damn thing should have checked and said something to the effect of "no fonts found" |
| 19:24.21 | Twiun | yeah, but I'm not sure if there's a contract to the effect that null won't be returned... |
| 19:24.37 | Twiun | let's try with return new String[0]; |
| 19:25.40 | Twiun | ok, new ipk is on the site |
| 19:27.40 | Twiun | cool, found the Qt calls to get the proper info |
| 19:30.01 | tzanger | ok it's sitting in Toolkit.getColorModel(0 |
| 19:30.03 | tzanger | er () |
| 19:30.43 | Twiun | lol |
| 19:30.44 | tzanger | this is really exciting for me :-) |
| 19:30.49 | Twiun | that returns null too :) |
| 19:31.07 | Twiun | ok... lets see what would be a sensible default |
| 19:32.06 | Twiun | tzanger: it's fun trying to get something to work :) |
| 19:33.39 | kennyj | I have a problem trying to install konq-embedded... it gets a permission denied error on it's preinst file under the /tmp tree. Any ideas? |
| 19:33.51 | kennyj | Is ipkg from the command line safe now, perhaps? Maybe that'll work? |
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| 19:34.45 | tz-zaurus | dammit |
| 19:35.21 | tz-zaurus | I'm running 2.5.65 on my computer and it hangs at times |
| 19:35.25 | Twiun | kennyj: you can install konq/E if you remove (temporarily) the nouser entry in fstab for the installation media I believe |
| 19:35.30 | Twiun | tz-zaurus: hehe |
| 19:35.42 | Twiun | <tzanger> this is really exciting for me :-) |
| 19:35.42 | Twiun | <Twiun> that returns null too :) |
| 19:35.42 | Twiun | * Twiun grumbles |
| 19:35.42 | Twiun | <Twiun> ok... lets see what would be a sensible default |
| 19:35.42 | Twiun | <Twiun> tzanger: it's fun trying to get something to work :) |
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| 19:36.38 | tzanger | alrighty |
| 19:36.47 | tzanger | now where was I |
| 19:37.55 | Twiun | saying how exciting this was :) |
| 19:38.10 | kergoth | god i love ccache. |
| 19:38.35 | kennyj | hmm... on a related note, how do you backspace/delete in vi on the Z? Neither the backspace key nor the Del function on the thumb keyboard actually work... |
| 19:38.37 | Twiun | kergoth: useful when you've got such a big project eh? |
| 19:38.42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:38.48 | Twiun | kennyj: use x |
| 19:38.51 | kergoth | need to rebuild qt/e? no biggie, couple minutes |
| 19:38.52 | kennyj | x? |
| 19:38.53 | kennyj | heh |
| 19:38.56 | Twiun | the key |
| 19:38.56 | yeiazel | kennyj: learn vi :) |
| 19:39.00 | kergoth | forget an opt in your kernel? rebuild, done in 20-30 seconds |
| 19:39.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:39.09 | kennyj | yeiazel: my memory sucks. :p |
| 19:39.26 | yeiazel | kennyj: buy "vi pocket reference" from o'reilly |
| 19:39.27 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:39.46 | ljp | poor guy |
| 19:39.47 | kennyj | I'm broke. :( |
| 19:39.51 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:40.19 | kennyj | about all I can ever remember in vi is dd, :w, :q, and / |
| 19:40.31 | yeiazel | !!! |
| 19:40.50 | tzanger | when I started out I used to have to switch to another VT and kill vi |
| 19:40.59 | Twiun | kennyj: :%s/search/replace/g is good too |
| 19:41.08 | Twiun | tzanger: hahaha |
| 19:41.19 | yeiazel | the r, c, y, p, and all other commands are useful |
| 19:41.26 | Twiun | tzanger: ok, new ipk on the site |
| 19:41.43 | Twiun | tzanger: returns a DirectColorModel instead of null |
| 19:41.46 | ljp | thats why emacs is better. no arcane keyboard crud |
| 19:41.53 | kennyj | yet, sadly enough, I use gvim almost religiously on the desktop... stupid easy GUI keeping me from learning anything.... |
| 19:41.54 | ljp | :) |
| 19:42.09 | tzanger | lip yeah but I need a cluster just to start up emacs |
| 19:42.13 | kergoth | gvim? bleh |
| 19:42.31 | tzanger | gvim is very groovy on win32 |
| 19:42.32 | kergoth | cept in windows, gvim is nicer than notepad ;) |
| 19:42.34 | kergoth | yea |
| 19:42.42 | kennyj | yep |
| 19:43.06 | kennyj | especially if you get stuck on a win9x box, where Notepad refuses to open anything larger than a post-it note |
| 19:43.17 | tzanger | notepad+ is nice |
| 19:43.27 | kergoth | I used to use ultraedit religiously |
| 19:43.30 | kergoth | good tool |
| 19:43.31 | kennyj | I thought it was ok... gvim is better IMO however. |
| 19:43.33 | kergoth | use gvim now tho |
| 19:43.50 | kennyj | I'm waiting for a Z port of gvim. ^_^ |
| 19:43.52 | ljp | I just use emacs everywhere |
| 19:45.03 | kennyj | if I could program worth beans, I'd write one myself... haven't done anything worth mention since high school though, and then it was only Java. Hell, I have a Sam's C++ book that hasn't moved on my shelf for two years now. |
| 19:45.36 | yeiazel | kennyj: kvim portage would be easier than gvim... :) |
| 19:45.40 | kergoth | kennyj: someone started porting kvim already |
| 19:45.43 | kergoth | kennyj: kvim/e |
| 19:45.44 | ljp | when I was in high school, java was 1) a country, and 2) slang for coffee |
| 19:45.52 | yeiazel | ljp: you got 50 fingers ? |
| 19:45.55 | kennyj | really? sweet |
| 19:46.02 | kennyj | I didn't even know there was a kvim :) |
| 19:46.04 | kergoth | kennyj: it still relies on some qt3 classes.. its waiting for someone to finish it |
| 19:46.07 | tzanger | java was a country? |
| 19:46.09 | yeiazel | kergoth: :)) |
| 19:46.30 | ljp | kvim has been around for a long time, just no development for a while |
| 19:46.33 | kennyj | huh? java country? |
| 19:46.40 | kennyj | isn't that like, Columbia or something? |
| 19:46.57 | kennyj | oh, right. It's a language too. ;) |
| 19:47.50 | ljp | yes, java is a country |
| 19:48.26 | kennyj | heh... Sun just can't avoid infringing on *something* huh? :) |
| 19:48.52 | tzanger | ok now your version of wonka does exactly what evm's doing so far |
| 19:49.15 | Twiun | tzanger: good, good, lets fix wonka to be better than evm then :) |
| 19:49.24 | kennyj | man... I just remembered a strange problem I've been having. If I terminate Opie, within 30 seconds or so, the Z freezes up at the console. No matter what I'm doing there. |
| 19:49.29 | tzanger | and I think that is because of my stupid BufferedImage hack |
| 19:49.44 | tzanger | if I run the original xwt jar I just get a BufferedImage class not found error |
| 19:51.07 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 19:51.13 | tzanger | I am 100% sure my crazy hack doesn't work right :-) |
| 19:51.31 | Twiun | let's see if gnu ClassPath has a BufferedImage imp |
| 19:53.55 | Twiun | urgh |
| 19:54.15 | Twiun | BufferedImage depends on a few other classes |
| 19:54.18 | tzanger | haha |
| 19:54.25 | tzanger | that sucks |
| 19:54.33 | Twiun | downloading them even |
| 19:55.08 | Twiun | then again |
| 19:55.18 | Twiun | that looks like quite a chunk of work :( |
| 19:55.29 | tzanger | yeah |
| 19:55.38 | tzanger | you've been awesome, I don't want to push my luck here |
| 19:55.47 | Twiun | no problem |
| 19:55.53 | Twiun | it was fun :) |
| 19:56.10 | Twiun | I will get to BufferedImage eventually though |
| 19:56.42 | tzanger | I am sure that I can screw around with the platform code I can get around it |
| 19:56.56 | kennyj | it turns out it was the nosuid,nodev,noexec flags for /var. Or one of them, anyways. |
| 19:57.28 | tzanger | I need corey's help though (he's helped me with it too) |
| 19:57.37 | tzanger | kenb: it's the user flag -- that's what got it working for me anyway |
| 19:57.40 | tzanger | er kennyj rather |
| 19:57.48 | kennyj | there's a user flag? |
| 19:57.53 | kennyj | I didn't see one in there. |
| 19:57.55 | kennyj | Anywhere. |
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| 19:58.06 | tzanger | ramfs /var ramfs defaults,user 0 0 |
| 19:58.13 | nz | hi guys |
| 19:58.19 | Twiun | tzanger: I'm sure we can work together to get it working eventually |
| 19:58.37 | tzanger | Twiun: agreed :-) |
| 19:58.46 | nz | how cani get my zaurus to use my winxp internet connection 15?14¿14? |
| 19:58.46 | tzanger | I have to give this back in a few days though, I'll have to get one ordered |
| 20:00.07 | nz | i cant seem to get it to work |
| 20:01.24 | Twiun | tzanger: hooked on the Z then? |
| 20:01.45 | tzanger | Twiun: I wouldn't say hooked exactly, but it definately looks like it'll work for what I want to do with it |
| 20:01.53 | tzanger | I want to do some comparisons with the 5600, most notably battery life |
| 20:02.11 | kennyj | set up ICS on your connection, it'll change the IP address of the Zethernet card. Change the Z's IP to one within the same subnet and set up the |
| 20:02.13 | tzanger | as a PDA, it's a failure... but as an ultraportable linux machine, it's great |
| 20:02.15 | kennyj | err |
| 20:02.19 | kennyj | let me try that again |
| 20:02.42 | Twiun | tzanger: agreed - If I ever get hold of a c700 with good battery life it'd be interesting |
| 20:02.43 | gaurdian | how is it a failure as a PDA / I use it all the time as a PDA |
| 20:02.49 | tzanger | Twiun: :-) |
| 20:02.58 | Twiun | gaurdian: battery life sucks :) |
| 20:03.08 | tzanger | gaurdian: a PDA with a 2-3h battery life? My Palm Vx gets 2 weeks of everyday use |
| 20:03.12 | gaurdian | uh.......I have never had battery issues |
| 20:03.27 | gaurdian | I use it all day at work |
| 20:03.30 | tzanger | having to charge every day or two seems problematic |
| 20:03.32 | gaurdian | no probs |
| 20:03.46 | tzanger | as I said though, as an ultraportable, it's incredible |
| 20:03.52 | gaurdian | whats problematic about it / just put on the dock...is that real tough for you |
| 20:03.56 | kennyj | set up ICS on your connection, it'll change the IP address of the Z's ethernet adapter from XP's perspective. Change the Z's internal IP to one within the same subnet and use the IP that XP assigned as the gateway and DNS server. |
| 20:04.08 | gaurdian | Is it to much to remember to out on its dock ? |
| 20:04.18 | tzanger | gaurdian: it ties me to AC power every few hours -- that is problematic |
| 20:04.23 | Twiun | gaurdian: if you've got wireless setup on it, the cradle may well still be in the box |
| 20:04.50 | tzanger | Twiun: I don't have the cradle for it at all -- I just borrowed the AC adaptor, wireless card and it |
| 20:04.55 | gaurdian | Not at all, I use wireless |
| 20:05.12 | tzanger | oops I thought that was aimed at me :-) |
| 20:05.24 | Twiun | tzanger: :) |
| 20:05.30 | gaurdian | I mean its NOT that hard to plug in is it ? |
| 20:05.42 | gaurdian | I have taken it cross country and NEVER had a issue |
| 20:05.52 | nz | 07-[14 gaurdian 07]- 15tnx alot |
| 20:05.54 | Twiun | I think it's too much to ask from people who are used to not having to charge it every day |
| 20:05.56 | tzanger | gaurdian: no of course not... what I am saying is that if I have to constantly (i.e. every few hours or even days) remember to plug it in, it's a nuisance |
| 20:06.04 | gaurdian | when I am not useing it I plkug it ion....real tough |
| 20:06.17 | kennyj | hey, be nice :) |
| 20:06.19 | tzanger | I'm not dissing the machine itself, just its utility as a straight PDA |
| 20:06.20 | gaurdian | you cant remember to plug it in at night ? |
| 20:06.34 | gaurdian | and I am saying it works fine as a PDA |
| 20:06.55 | gaurdian | I use it on a daily basis, I dropped my Kyocera 6035 for it |
| 20:06.58 | kennyj | actually I'm considering an external battery pack for my 5500. I'll need to use wifi functionality all day for my new job, so ~900mAh just ain't gonna cut it. |
| 20:06.59 | Twiun | gaurdian: it shouldn't be like a pet that you have to feed it every night. But there's no point arguing - we've got differing points of view |
| 20:07.06 | tzanger | mind you the battery is small enough to carry a spare around without much issue |
| 20:07.09 | kennyj | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?sku=D135-1032 this looks quite interesting. |
| 20:07.17 | gaurdian | I guess.... |
| 20:07.42 | Twiun | tzanger: at £30 per battery, with no way to charge it save inside the Z (talking about the 5000d here) |
| 20:07.43 | kennyj | $30, should work just fine with the Z, 3600 mAh. |
| 20:08.05 | tzanger | Twiun: yeah |
| 20:08.11 | kennyj | 4-5 times the standard battery capacity. You just have a small piece of plastic about half the size of a cellphone on your belt. |
| 20:08.19 | tzanger | mind you it's Li-ion, so it doesn't just "go dead" like NiCD |
| 20:08.21 | tzanger | er NiCD |
| 20:08.24 | tzanger | er dammit NiCd |
| 20:09.15 | kennyj | or you could build a battery pack with a bare minimum of electronic skill and four NiCd batteries. When it dies, the Z still has a full charge. |
| 20:10.07 | tz-zaurus | kennyj: sure... IIAE |
| 20:10.27 | kennyj | umm... IIAE? wha? |
| 20:10.30 | tz-zaurus | dammit something keeps killing my laptop |
| 20:10.34 | kennyj | never heard *that* before... |
| 20:10.58 | tz-zaurus | I Am An (electrical) Engineer |
| 20:11.09 | kennyj | ahh |
| 20:11.24 | kennyj | That'd be IAAE though |
| 20:11.30 | kennyj | or IAEE |
| 20:11.32 | kennyj | grrr |
| 20:11.37 | tz-zaurus | Twiun: :-) |
| 20:11.38 | kennyj | IAAEE. There. |
| 20:12.22 | nz | 07-[14 gaurdian 07]- 15will that trick still work if i only have one nice 15?14¿14? |
| 20:12.30 | nz | nic* |
| 20:13.16 | Harlekin | arg, kick mit anlauf |
| 20:13.22 | tz-zaurus | nz turn off those gay-ass colour codes |
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| 20:14.59 | nz | u |
| 20:15.07 | nz | k the colours are gone |
| 20:15.14 | tzanger | many thanks |
| 20:15.19 | tzanger | this isn't talkcity |
| 20:15.24 | kennyj | heh |
| 20:15.30 | nz | np |
| 20:15.34 | Twiun | :) |
| 20:15.49 | nz | i have 1 nic in this machine, ip 192.168.254.1, its connected to a router |
| 20:16.01 | tzanger | nz you still need ICS |
| 20:16.01 | nz | and i have the usb cradel plugged into this machin |
| 20:16.17 | nz | can i get the pda to use the internet connection ?? |
| 20:16.28 | tzanger | IIRC you set up ICS on your USB interface (not 100% sure but the last time I set it up it seemed ass-backward) |
| 20:16.29 | nz | 07-[14 tzanger 07]- 15i setup the ics thing |
| 20:16.42 | kennyj | nz, like I said before: set up ICS on your connection, it'll change the IP address of the Z's ethernet adapter from XP's perspective. Change the Z's internal IP to one within the same subnet and use the IP that XP assigned as the gateway and DNS server. |
| 20:16.51 | tzanger | so now your USB interface on the XP side MUST be 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:17.13 | nz | ok |
| 20:17.42 | tzanger | at least it must be in win2k |
| 20:18.41 | nz | 07-[14 tzanger 07]- 15should i change the ip on the pda to 192.168.0.1 2 ?? |
| 20:18.50 | tzanger | no |
| 20:18.53 | tzanger | think about it |
| 20:19.03 | tzanger | the PDA canot have the same IP as teh XP machine |
| 20:19.09 | nz | ok |
| 20:20.06 | nz | ok i told xp to use 192.168.0.1, 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:20.17 | nz | and now tell the sharp to use 192.168.254.1 as the gateway |
| 20:20.21 | nz | and its should work |
| 20:20.23 | nz | cool |
| 20:20.46 | tzanger | no |
| 20:20.59 | tzanger | 192.168.0.1/24 is not on the same network as 192.168.254.1/24 |
| 20:21.04 | tzanger | your XP machine is right |
| 20:21.17 | tzanger | yoru sharp needs to be on the same network... so 192.168.0.2 or something, and its gateway is the XP machine |
| 20:21.29 | tzanger | gateway = where the machine goes when it can't get there directly |
| 20:22.04 | nz | ok |
| 20:23.30 | nz | the interface is disconnected |
| 20:23.48 | tzanger | I don't know enough abotu it to help much |
| 20:23.54 | tzanger | make sure the zaurus' usb interface is up |
| 20:24.12 | nz | its not |
| 20:24.17 | nz | thats wat i mean |
| 20:24.36 | tzanger | well run ifdown [whatever the usb interface is called[ |
| 20:24.42 | tzanger | followed by ifup |
| 20:25.54 | nz | not sure what it is called |
| 20:26.08 | tzanger | well use the network applet just like everyone else would. :-) |
| 20:26.09 | nz | is the config file in /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 20:26.42 | nz | found it cheers |
| 20:27.50 | kennyj | the network applet's actually working properly now? :) |
| 20:28.51 | kennyj | kudos to whoever fixed it. ;) |
| 20:41.22 | kennyj | is there any way to get the cardmon applet to ignore the presence of the SD card / not include the option to eject it? |
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| 20:56.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot messages |
| 20:56.18 | | TheMasterMind1: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:56.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot help |
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| 21:38.20 | _SATO_ | helloo to all from Bulgaria :) |
| 21:39.32 | _SATO_ | the first time in Bulgaria wer have SL-55000 ZAURUS :) and we install Open Zaurus :) who response here for development ?/ |
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| 21:51.55 | numatrix | _SATO_: a lot of people are, but it looks like they're not here right now. |
| 21:52.03 | numatrix | _SATO_: do you have questions? |
| 21:57.20 | kennyj | gah... need ncurses4. Anybody know where I can find ncurses4 for the Z? |
| 21:58.07 | numatrix | kennyj: for what app? Sometimes you can just symlink the ncurses5 to ncurses4. |
| 21:58.36 | kennyj | kismet_client and vim 6.1 both won't work with the symlink to ncurses5. I tried. :) |
| 21:58.55 | numatrix | kennyj: really? Hmm, kismet uesd to work with ncurses5. That's odd. |
| 21:59.04 | numatrix | kennyj: I'll dig up the ncurses4 link. One sec. |
| 21:59.13 | tzanger | hmm |
| 21:59.13 | kennyj | Maybe it's just me. I have a funny knack for breaking things. ;) |
| 21:59.18 | tzanger | kismet-qt can't connect to the server on my box |
| 21:59.22 | tzanger | worked once then quit :-( |
| 21:59.37 | kennyj | oddly enough I got kismet-qt to work just fine once everything was configured. |
| 21:59.38 | tzanger | I installed kismet and kismet-qt again (from testing) but same results |
| 21:59.57 | kennyj | you made sure that kismet was working fine from the console first? |
| 22:00.05 | tzanger | kennyj: nope not yet :-) |
| 22:00.28 | kennyj | try that. You might need to edit kismet's config file a bit. It's self-documented. |
| 22:00.36 | tzanger | yeah |
| 22:00.41 | tzanger | it's weird thought hat it worked once |
| 22:01.42 | numatrix | tzanger: It'st he client that's quitting and not the server? Sometimes the server has issues if the interface is down. Bringing it up might help. |
| 22:01.49 | tzanger | it is up |
| 22:02.04 | tzanger | the client just says 'can't contact server' and offers to let me try again |
| 22:02.10 | kennyj | yeah.. one thing you have to double-check is that kismet is going after wlan0 and not eth0 |
| 22:02.15 | tzanger | I am using the wireless interface before I do that :-) |
| 22:02.24 | kennyj | eth0 is not the wifi card :) |
| 22:02.26 | tzanger | kennyj: hmm yeah it might have flipped over for one reason or another |
| 22:02.39 | numatrix | yeah, kismet does require a fair amount of config file editing, unfortunately. |
| 22:03.08 | kennyj | I'm having lotsa fun with my wifi card. If I want to eject it, I can just use cardmon... but if I try that after running kismet, even after bringing it down, doing that will crash my Z. |
| 22:03.24 | kennyj | But, if I just bring it down with ifconfig, I can pull it out without a problem. |
| 22:03.37 | kennyj | Unless I haven't run Kismet, in which case doing so will make the CF slot unusable. |
| 22:03.40 | kennyj | It's fun. :) |
| 22:10.31 | kennyj | I did notice something interesting about wifi on the Z. Seems the only Kismet driver that works on prism2 wifi cards is prism2_legacy - the hostap and the normal prism2 driver just don't work yet. I think it's an issue with the uber-outdated kernel in OZ. |
| 22:11.31 | yeiazel | errmmm |
| 22:11.45 | yeiazel | I've used kismet with the "normal" prism2 driver with no pb |
| 22:11.50 | kennyj | really? |
| 22:11.57 | kennyj | lucky dog. Which card? |
| 22:12.10 | kennyj | I have the Linksys WCF12. |
| 22:12.14 | yeiazel | the same |
| 22:12.19 | kennyj | wierd |
| 22:12.56 | kennyj | I tried prism2 and prism2_hostap, neither worked. prism2_legacy did, however. I tried the versions of kismet both with and without pcap support, too. |
| 22:13.31 | kennyj | Is there anything non-obvious that I missed? Is there a wlan-ng package that I didn't see or something? |
| 22:14.11 | kennyj | I *did* update hostap-modules... |
| 22:14.52 | yeiazel | I haven't done anything special |
| 22:14.58 | kennyj | heh, maybe it's just me. If there's a way to break something purely by random chance, I'm going to find it one way or another. |
| 22:15.03 | yeiazel | plugged the wcf12, it was recognized |
| 22:15.09 | yeiazel | then installed and started kismet |
| 22:15.18 | kennyj | which version of OZ? 3.1RC3.1? |
| 22:15.22 | yeiazel | 3.0 |
| 22:15.34 | kennyj | ahh. Something might've been borked since. |
| 22:15.37 | yeiazel | haven't tried wardriving with 3.1rc3.1 |
| 22:15.42 | kennyj | I'm using OZ 3.1RC3.1 |
| 22:15.52 | yeiazel | 3.1rc2 didn't recognize the card |
| 22:16.25 | kennyj | there've been some changes since, I think. In rc2 you had to install hostap-modules I think, or edit a configuration file manually. |
| 22:16.28 | kennyj | I think. |
| 22:16.33 | yeiazel | edit a conf file |
| 22:16.34 | yeiazel | :) |
| 22:16.44 | yeiazel | but I didn't know what to put in the file |
| 22:16.52 | yeiazel | and then waited for the next release |
| 22:16.59 | yeiazel | kismet doesn't seem to be in the 3.1rc3.1 feed |
| 22:17.23 | tzanger | yeiazel: no it's not' |
| 22:17.23 | kennyj | I got it from it's own site. Had the newest version compiled for the Z. |
| 22:17.25 | tzanger | it's in testing |
| 22:17.29 | kergoth | kismet works fine in rc3.1. |
| 22:17.52 | kergoth | You must use the pcap kismet driver, as the 'prism2' kismet driver is actually wlan-ng, not wireless-extensions |
| 22:18.24 | kennyj | how exactly do you go about doing that? |
| 22:18.30 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:18.33 | kergoth | vi /etc/kismet.conf |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | change it |
| 22:18.35 | kennyj | I installed kismet with pcap support and installed libpcap... |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | :wq |
| 22:18.38 | kergoth | ta da |
| 22:18.39 | tzanger | hmm that might be why mine doesn't work |
| 22:18.59 | tzanger | the pcap driver isn't an option in the qt client... orinoco, prism2 or cisco |
| 22:19.17 | kergoth | tzanger: select prism2, OZ, in kismet-qte |
| 22:19.26 | tzanger | kergoth: yes I have that |
| 22:19.31 | kergoth | the console kismet does _not_ start either monitor or hopper on its own. |
| 22:19.36 | kergoth | you _must_ start the hopper yourself |
| 22:19.42 | kergoth | the hopper will put the card in monitor mode implicitly |
| 22:19.55 | kergoth | word is, the GUI isnt doing that properly |
| 22:20.07 | kergoth | try firing up kismet_monitor or kismet_hopper, then use the gui |
| 22:20.10 | tzanger | hmm |
| 22:20.15 | tzanger | it did it right the first time 'round |
| 22:21.03 | kennyj | what exactly am i looking for in kismet.conf? |
| 22:21.33 | _SATO_ | before i ask here :) ! i wanna ask what can i ask here ?:) |
| 22:21.50 | kennyj | I don't see any mention of a pcap driver other than prism2 using pcap through wlan-ng... |
| 22:21.51 | kennyj | brb |
| 22:22.09 | _SATO_ | evrithing for Zaurus for all software ? |
| 22:22.51 | kergoth | _SATO_: most things are fine, but dont discuss the sharp rom specifically. use #zaurus for that. |
| 22:23.23 | _SATO_ | no i wanna discuss only open zaurus :) |
| 22:23.45 | tzanger | hmm my source is set to prism2,wlan0,Kismet |
| 22:23.54 | kergoth | mickeyl|tv, tronical: hehe. i found the touchscreen prob. I have a OZ rom here that works.. i'm going to fix the tc35143af audio driver to only allocate dma on open, then call it released |
| 22:24.22 | _SATO_ | okei i am to the right place :) now i introduce my self ... CO OWNER in FIRM Unix Solutions LTD. we work only with open sorce stuff :) |
| 22:24.36 | tzanger | hmm |
| 22:24.45 | tzanger | kismet_monitor says wlanctl-ng: no such file or directory |
| 22:24.48 | tronical | kergoth: excellent! what was the prob? |
| 22:24.59 | kergoth | nice to meet you, i'm chris larson, aka kergoth, the resident BOFH and openzaurus maintainer |
| 22:25.13 | kergoth | tronical: QT_QWS_CUSTOM wasnt defined, so it was using the wrong TS_EVENT struct |
| 22:25.16 | kergoth | tronical: hehe |
| 22:25.23 | tronical | d'oh :) |
| 22:25.59 | kergoth | tzanger: sounds like your kismet.conf is set to prism2, not pcap |
| 22:26.00 | kennyj | yeah, I get the same error as tzanger... |
| 22:26.07 | kennyj | I'm still using prism_legacy |
| 22:26.18 | kennyj | I never had *any* success with prism2... |
| 22:26.25 | kergoth | what part of 'use pcap' dont you get? |
| 22:26.25 | kennyj | prism_legacy at least seems to work normally |
| 22:26.28 | tzanger | kergoth: 'pcap' isn't listed as a valid card type |
| 22:26.29 | kennyj | I'm doing this all at the console, btw. |
| 22:26.52 | kergoth | Ah, they must've changed the syntax on me. |
| 22:27.00 | kergoth | it was pcap previously |
| 22:27.29 | kennyj | oh, this and kismet_client won't work without libncurses4 and a symlink to ncurses5 gets an unresolved symbol error. >.< |
| 22:27.32 | HCl | hmm |
| 22:27.35 | kennyj | I had the same problem with vim 6.1 as well. |
| 22:27.40 | kergoth | thats because you're using the packages from the kismet site |
| 22:27.45 | kergoth | you should be using ours |
| 22:27.51 | kergoth | but yes i know, they got left out of the last feed update |
| 22:27.54 | kergoth | bipolar: you around? |
| 22:27.56 | kennyj | oh. |
| 22:28.02 | HCl | kergoth: in 3.1rc3.1, irda port was inited as serial device, which broke normal irda... had to irattach to make it work... should that be like that or..? |
| 22:28.06 | kennyj | >.< |
| 22:28.08 | kergoth | we have vim as well, built for ncurses5 |
| 22:28.12 | kergoth | HCl: that didnt break normal irda |
| 22:28.16 | HCl | hmm |
| 22:28.22 | HCl | then something else did o.o |
| 22:28.22 | kergoth | HCl: they're completely independent problems that happened to show up in the same release |
| 22:28.25 | HCl | ah |
| 22:28.26 | HCl | ok |
| 22:28.26 | kergoth | HCl: it threw me off as well |
| 22:28.27 | _SATO_ | cool :) i buy from thinkgeek zaurus and off corse i put imidietly open sorce OZ :) now i am on OZ 3.1-rc3.1 and teeeeeesting :) now i install every package in UNSTABLE feed and testing to see what can we help to all guys here ..if i have something to ask i aks..later :) |
| 22:28.33 | kergoth | HCl: read the mailing list archives, i've explained it already |
| 22:28.45 | HCl | then im glad i managed to get it to work with irattach ^^ could otherwise not internet in train |
| 22:28.45 | kennyj | where's vim? unstable? |
| 22:28.54 | HCl | :) |
| 22:28.58 | kergoth | kennyj: will be in unstable soon if it isnt already |
| 22:29.04 | kennyj | it's not :( |
| 22:29.09 | kergoth | bipolar does our unstable feed updates |
| 22:29.13 | kergoth | ~pester bipolar |
| 22:29.14 | | bipolar: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 22:29.19 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:29.27 | kennyj | ah well, one less file on my HD for the time being. Always a silver lining. :) |
| 22:29.55 | kergoth | well, the next rc is coming along nicely |
| 22:30.14 | kergoth | couple minor bugs i want to iron out before the release though |
| 22:30.34 | kennyj | forgive me for asking, but is there an ETA? |
| 22:30.43 | kergoth | fraid not |
| 22:30.50 | Baldrick | Hi, is anyone else experiencing long pauses during entering the Passcode (OZ3.1rc3.1)? |
| 22:30.52 | kergoth | when i give an eta it always ends up double that, or more |
| 22:30.53 | kergoth | or less |
| 22:30.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:31.07 | kergoth | too many things going on to have a reliable release schedule |
| 22:31.12 | kennyj | you must do my bidding, open-source developer worm! get to work! ;) |
| 22:31.19 | tronical | kergoth: yeah, reminds me of the .19 plans :) |
| 22:32.12 | kennyj | you're still not going to release OZ on 2.4.19 until you get a working SD though, right? Sorry, I know you must get this question 10 times a day... |
| 22:32.17 | kergoth | tronical: hey now, I _did_ get everything done within 2 weeks flat. other than that evasive ts bug and sd prob :) |
| 22:32.40 | kergoth | well, once the ts flakiness is gone i'll make it available, but not the one we use out of the box. |
| 22:32.47 | tronical | kergoth: sure, you did an impressive job, no doubt. just shows that release plans aren't worth much :) |
| 22:32.53 | kergoth | tronical: indeed :) |
| 22:33.05 | TheMasterMind1 | we never had release plans |
| 22:33.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have what will be the next rc here, you want to flash it and fuck around? |
| 22:33.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we should pound out some bugs |
| 22:33.49 | kergoth | I'll take care of the DMA issue |
| 22:34.01 | kergoth | but i'm sure there are some small opie issues we can iron out |
| 22:34.36 | scanline | I thought OZ had python packages, but I don't see them in the unstable feed |
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| 22:34.51 | kergoth | it does |
| 22:35.06 | kergoth | unstable needs an update |
| 22:35.17 | scanline | ah. I was just curious how big they are |
| 22:35.28 | kergoth | vim, screen, python, kismet, xmms, mplayer, all need to get into the feed |
| 22:35.48 | scanline | also wondering what version of python |
| 22:35.50 | kennyj | anyone find Discoverer to be of any use, or is Kismet the way to go? |
| 22:36.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sure hook me up |
| 22:37.00 | yeiazel | kergoth: seems there are some different python arm packages (made by different people), which ones are included in oz ? |
| 22:37.25 | kergoth | which ones? |
| 22:37.42 | kergoth | we're using packages built by our buildsystem. |
| 22:37.48 | kergoth | we dont include anyone elses packages in OZ, period |
| 22:38.00 | yeiazel | :) |
| 22:38.06 | kergoth | scanline: python 2.2.2 afaict |
| 22:38.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: k, let me upload it |
| 22:38.27 | yeiazel | I though you based them on someone's else packages... |
| 22:39.11 | TheMasterMind1 | whats there to base.. |
| 22:39.17 | kergoth | exactly |
| 22:39.18 | TheMasterMind1 | you take sources, you compile |
| 22:39.39 | kergoth | then ya stuff some files into a package and set a couple fields and maintainer scripts |
| 22:40.22 | yeiazel | but there are different ways to package python; separate libs, or make one big package, or one 'core' package and other 'external' packages... |
| 22:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | we follow debian standards |
| 22:40.43 | yeiazel | ok |
| 22:41.08 | kergoth | 1) we follow debian packaging as a base |
| 22:41.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: where're you uploading to |
| 22:41.21 | kergoth | 2) we add further granularity to make it more appropriate for embedded use |
| 22:41.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 22:42.11 | TheMasterMind1 | can we fix kpacman? its stupid configuration issue |
| 22:42.14 | kergoth | yeiazel: so whenever its a question of do we do one big package or 4 small ones, we go small. granularity is good. |
| 22:42.21 | yeiazel | right |
| 22:42.22 | yeiazel | :) |
| 22:42.34 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:52.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: feel free to flash that image |
| 22:52.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you havent yet ;) |
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| 23:26.13 | treke|home | evening kergoth |
| 23:26.18 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:27.30 | kergoth | ibot: seen andyq |
| 23:27.30 | | andyq <~AndyQ@pc-62-31-42-4-hy.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 5d 23h 39m 25s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
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| 23:59.34 | _Psycho | heya |
