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| 00:08.23 | kergoth | okay, finally fixed the buildroot's ability to checkout bk sources for a build |
| 00:08.42 | kergoth | so can finally do a 2.4.19 on collie build again, and confirm my tslib patch fixes the TS misbehavior |
| 00:09.22 | treke | cool |
| 00:10.11 | treke | kergoth: did you end up going back to fluxbox or are you still hanging with ion? |
| 00:10.12 | TheMasterMind1 | Need to get 128MB of archives. After unpacking 1894kB will be used. |
| 00:10.23 | TheMasterMind1 | 128mb becomes 1.8mb |
| 00:10.25 | treke | TheMasterMind1: its an upgrade |
| 00:10.27 | kergoth | treke: went back to fluxbox until I can figure out ion's keybindings |
| 00:10.32 | treke | TheMasterMind1: the old stuff will dissappear |
| 00:10.40 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: heh |
| 00:10.49 | treke | kergoth: its amazing how much cleaner my desktop is :) |
| 00:10.53 | treke | no mor window clutter |
| 00:11.00 | kergoth | hehe. my X is always just a pile of terminals everywhere |
| 00:11.04 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxdesk thing is cool |
| 00:11.10 | kergoth | whats fluxdesk? |
| 00:11.31 | kergoth | http://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html |
| 00:12.01 | treke | tabs :) |
| 00:12.23 | TheMasterMind1 | fbdesk that is |
| 00:12.36 | TheMasterMind1 | it lets you put icons on your "desktop" |
| 00:12.41 | treke | icons? |
| 00:12.44 | treke | what good are they |
| 00:12.45 | kergoth | treke: that url is a good ref on the emacs and vim options to manipulate them |
| 00:12.58 | treke | dont you have to be able to see your desktop to use them? |
| 00:13.03 | kergoth | treke: i've taken to adding modelines to nearly all the code i edit but dont own, so that i dont fuck with the existing formatting |
| 00:13.11 | treke | yeah |
| 00:13.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 00:13.21 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxspace |
| 00:13.23 | TheMasterMind1 | looks cool |
| 00:13.27 | treke | I think my vim is set up to use spaces (the standard at work) |
| 00:13.47 | kergoth | I've taken a liking to using 4 space indentation with tab compression (i.e. two indents becomes a tab, not 8 spaces) |
| 00:13.49 | TheMasterMind1 | whats a modeline |
| 00:13.59 | kergoth | but for kernel code, i have to follow standard. hard tabs or 8 space indent |
| 00:14.09 | treke | kergoth: there was a a vim bug with that I think ; |
| 00:14.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: special C comment at the top of the file that sets vim options |
| 00:14.21 | treke | kergoth: you were able to run arbitrary code on some versions of vim |
| 00:14.26 | kergoth | treke: hah |
| 00:15.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15.24 | kergoth | 43556542 bytes uncompressed to 67845416, 1.56X expansion |
| 00:15.29 | kergoth | checkout of linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 00:15.33 | kergoth | 42 fucking megs |
| 00:15.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15.43 | kergoth | i wish bk export could export a remote repository |
| 00:15.55 | kergoth | cause i cant put a bk dir w/ SCCS dirs into our buildroot |
| 00:16.03 | kergoth | bk will think its part of _this_ repos :) |
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| 00:18.23 | ljp | ibot: kill me |
| 00:18.28 | | ACTION slits ljp's throat |
| 00:18.54 | ljp | damn it, you used that last time |
| 00:21.43 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot kill ljp |
| 00:21.45 | | ACTION slits ljp's throat |
| 00:21.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot kill is kjdf |
| 00:21.53 | | ACTION slits is kjdf's throat |
| 00:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 00:21.59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 00:21.59 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 00:23.36 | ljp | ibot: kill picobot |
| 00:23.41 | | ACTION slits picobot's throat |
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| 00:29.59 | ljp | ibot: kill dumb bitches |
| 00:30.04 | | ACTION slits dumb bitches's throat |
| 00:32.04 | kergoth | ibot: kill? |
| 00:32.04 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 00:32.15 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:32.30 | chouimat | ibot: lart GW Bush |
| 00:32.32 | ljp | :) |
| 00:40.48 | treke | ibot kill treke |
| 00:40.54 | | ACTION slits treke's throat |
| 00:45.05 | ljp | ibot: kill treke |
| 00:45.10 | | ACTION slits treke's throat |
| 00:45.16 | treke | ibot assrape ljp |
| 00:45.19 | | wish i knew, treke |
| 00:45.28 | treke | I bet you do |
| 00:54.10 | ljp | how come I am still alive? |
| 00:54.22 | ljp | ibot: you suck |
| 00:54.22 | | :( |
| 01:03.06 | treke | ancient chinese proverb say "f*k this shit" |
| 01:06.00 | chouimat | treke: that a chinese proverb? |
| 01:07.21 | treke | chouimat: yes |
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| 01:08.04 | chouimat | hmm must compile 2 1.5.0, 2 1.6.0 and 2 opie SDK .... |
| 01:08.15 | ljp | ancient chinese proverb |
| 01:08.39 | ljp | why? |
| 01:08.56 | chouimat | ljp: 2.95.3 and 3.2.2 |
| 01:09.15 | chouimat | ljp arm and sh4 |
| 01:10.05 | ljp | well? what are you waiting for? |
| 01:10.11 | ljp | get crackin! |
| 01:10.19 | chouimat | ancinet chinese proverb: One who pee against the wind will wet his cloathes |
| 01:11.17 | chouimat | ljp: I will go sleep very soon so ... |
| 01:11.34 | ljp | ancient chinese proverb: don't eat dog poo |
| 01:12.28 | chouimat | ancient american proverb: 15 will get you 20 |
| 01:12.28 | ljp | eehhh ... who needs sleep. sleep is for wussies |
| 01:13.52 | chouimat | ljp: after 36 hours ... |
| 01:15.18 | ljp | ancient chinese proverb: woman who swallows is a keeper |
| 01:15.40 | chouimat | ljp: roftl |
| 01:16.36 | chouimat | a woman who share everything with his twin sister is good to wed |
| 01:16.56 | chouimat | s/his/her |
| 01:18.12 | ljp | hhehehe... _his_ twin sister... |
| 01:18.29 | chouimat | ljp: I made the correction |
| 01:19.10 | ljp | :) |
| 01:19.19 | chouimat|shower | bb soon |
| 01:46.39 | ljp | billy idol should be a judge on American Idol |
| 01:47.36 | ljp | hey, you guys have your vercel build working yet? :) |
| 01:54.26 | treke|home | you still have a vercel? |
| 01:58.20 | ljp | yes, I will always have that prototype thing |
| 01:58.34 | treke|home | scweet |
| 01:58.35 | chouimat|shower | vercel??? |
| 01:58.38 | treke|home | get oz running |
| 01:58.46 | ljp | I just emailed lineo about that asking them whats up |
| 01:58.57 | treke|home | I figured tim would have wanted it back |
| 01:59.17 | ljp | well, I have to use their old keyboard driver as they wont send me the updated hardware |
| 01:59.29 | ljp | that was part of the deal |
| 01:59.36 | ljp | I get a vercel |
| 01:59.45 | treke|home | ah |
| 01:59.56 | ljp | too bad its mounted on a piece of plywoode and doesnt have a back |
| 02:00.24 | ljp | I dunno, I just assumed it was mine |
| 02:00.31 | treke|home | no one else is gonna be getting better :0 |
| 02:00.44 | chouimat|tv | what a vercel? |
| 02:00.49 | treke|home | a pda thingy |
| 02:00.51 | treke|home | runs qtopia |
| 02:00.55 | chouimat|tv | ok |
| 02:00.57 | ljp | multimedia pda |
| 02:01.08 | ljp | won some awards |
| 02:01.16 | treke|home | and its mostly likely vapor ware :) |
| 02:01.26 | ljp | but is mostly vaporware due to no funding |
| 02:01.41 | chouimat|tv | that sucks ... |
| 02:02.03 | ljp | ya, its nice. the screen is movie ways... like the c700 |
| 02:02.14 | ljp | has fold out keyboard |
| 02:02.24 | treke|home | but nothing like the c700 |
| 02:02.26 | ljp | and gamers style controls |
| 02:02.39 | ljp | there's some photos somewhere |
| 02:02.53 | ljp | vercels site sux tho |
| 02:03.00 | chouimat|tv | ljp: put people would rather buy Palm or PocketPC |
| 02:03.05 | chouimat|tv | s/pub/but |
| 02:03.08 | ljp | bah! |
| 02:03.33 | ljp | they can put their palm in their pocket and play pocket pull! |
| 02:04.40 | ljp | hey! it still works |
| 02:04.52 | treke|home | someone needs to write a qtopia pool game |
| 02:04.55 | treke|home | that doesnt suck |
| 02:05.23 | ljp | hmmm, last vercel bsp dated dec 04 |
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| 02:10.45 | kergoth | hmm, go to grocery store for soda, come back with $90 in groceries |
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| 02:11.01 | kergoth | note to self: stop grocery shopping when hungry |
| 02:11.16 | ljp | you didnt know that? |
| 02:11.24 | kergoth | yeah i did, but i went anyway :) |
| 02:11.50 | ljp | my vercel has loads of dust on it |
| 02:13.36 | ljp | first I need to find the old keyboard driver |
| 02:14.34 | _Psycho | hey ker, someone posted that on web today |
| 02:14.35 | _Psycho | http://www3.sympatico.ca/colsen/toshiba_m1283bx.pdf |
| 02:14.47 | _Psycho | ya thing the raw command and stuff could be useufll for drivers ? |
| 02:14.54 | _Psycho | or you saw it already ? |
| 02:15.02 | kergoth | its in my mailbox, i'll look when i have time. |
| 02:15.08 | _Psycho | yeah ok |
| 02:15.09 | kergoth | which isnt now |
| 02:15.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:15.15 | ljp | now! |
| 02:15.20 | kergoth | ~lart ljp |
| 02:15.23 | _Psycho | of course, i want opie on my c700 working someday ! |
| 02:15.25 | ljp | ahhhkkk |
| 02:15.33 | kergoth | _Psycho: what do you think i'm working on? ;) |
| 02:15.48 | ljp | working on putting groceries away |
| 02:15.57 | kergoth | well actually i got distracted by adding a new feature to tslib so I could get 2.4.19 working on the 5500 w/ TS |
| 02:16.03 | _Psycho | i heard rumor =p |
| 02:16.04 | kergoth | nah im done with taht :) |
| 02:16.12 | _Psycho | hehe i know ;) |
| 02:16.22 | _Psycho | so ts work now , sound good |
| 02:16.48 | _Psycho | you on the keymap thingie ? |
| 02:16.52 | kergoth | ts works on 5500/5000d (2.4.6 and 2.4.19 both), c700, and b500/5600, all using tslib |
| 02:16.56 | kergoth | finally |
| 02:16.59 | kergoth | the keyboard stuff is half done in qt/e |
| 02:17.01 | _Psycho | great |
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| 02:17.15 | noda | Moo! |
| 02:17.15 | kergoth | I'm going to have to hack some stupid shit because of the shitty keyboard driver |
| 02:17.18 | kergoth | which is unfortuante |
| 02:17.20 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 02:17.24 | noda | kergoth: Is it just me, or is openzaurus.org not working? :) |
| 02:17.35 | noda | Oh, n/m, it's sourceforge. |
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| 02:17.59 | ljp | boink |
| 02:17.59 | kergoth | openzaurus.sf.net is down |
| 02:18.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:18.24 | ljp | bastards! |
| 02:18.30 | noda | So, what's new? |
| 02:18.41 | ljp | heap |
| 02:18.49 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/hair.jpg <--- some years ago |
| 02:19.03 | noda | chouimat|tv: That's YOU? |
| 02:19.11 | chouimat|tv | noda: 10 years ago |
| 02:19.13 | noda | Wow. |
| 02:19.14 | ljp | freak! |
| 02:19.20 | kergoth | hey, you had hair. wow. |
| 02:19.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:19.41 | ljp | I had hair also |
| 02:19.47 | noda | Well, who'm I to talk. I used to have mad hair. There's this one picture of me playing a piano, kinda leaning over the keys. Reminds me of Beethoven, the MAD PIANIST WACKO :) |
| 02:19.50 | treke|home | and you were just as ugly back then |
| 02:19.53 | kergoth | http://profiles.yahoo.com/kergoth <-2 years ago |
| 02:20.07 | noda | http:// ... wait a tic! |
| 02:20.22 | kergoth | wait a tic? |
| 02:20.29 | noda | I've gotta put a pic or two up :P |
| 02:20.31 | ljp | Connection to host profiles.yahoo.com is broken |
| 02:20.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:20.54 | treke|home | http://treke.net/images/greg.jpg |
| 02:20.56 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/mypic1.jpg (and mypic2.jpg) |
| 02:20.58 | treke|home | me two years ago |
| 02:21.04 | noda | Me two years ago |
| 02:21.49 | chouimat|tv | treke|home: wow! |
| 02:22.13 | ljp | you guys are freaks! |
| 02:22.14 | kergoth | noda: hah |
| 02:22.24 | kergoth | ljp: cmon, wheres your pic then huh? |
| 02:22.30 | noda | Hehehe, he's too ashamed :) |
| 02:22.31 | kergoth | dont just mutter freak in the corner |
| 02:22.36 | treke|home | www.lornkcor.com |
| 02:22.44 | treke|home | he has pictures of his hippy self |
| 02:22.48 | ljp | hang on.. |
| 02:22.59 | noda | Host not found |
| 02:23.05 | treke|home | llor.. |
| 02:23.08 | chouimat|tv | me search a photo of me two years ago |
| 02:24.03 | kergoth | ljp |
| 02:24.04 | treke|home | http://llornkcor.com/lornweb/img3.gif |
| 02:24.08 | ljp | http://www.llornkcor.com/lornweb/img2.gif |
| 02:24.10 | kergoth | your page is like a trip into the ancient web past |
| 02:24.13 | _Psycho | http://www3.sympatico.ca/colsen/vacance/rahan-inboat.jpg - me this summer |
| 02:24.16 | kergoth | its like.. 1994 |
| 02:24.16 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:24.21 | noda | Hehehe |
| 02:24.25 | kergoth | adn i feel like i should see angelfire or geocities popups |
| 02:24.26 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:24.46 | noda | lol, I was just thinking an angelfire popup would come up. Then I remembered I don't get popups :) |
| 02:24.50 | kergoth | hey, ljp _is_ a hippy! |
| 02:24.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:24.55 | ljp | :D |
| 02:24.55 | noda | Hehehe :) |
| 02:25.11 | treke|home | you thought I was making that up? |
| 02:25.40 | kergoth | I just figured you called him a hippy |
| 02:25.42 | kergoth | didnt figure he actually was |
| 02:25.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:25.47 | treke|home | hehe |
| 02:26.12 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 02:26.13 | kergoth | ljp: freak! |
| 02:26.17 | treke|home | FREAK |
| 02:26.23 | _Psycho | god im the only one that look normal here =p |
| 02:26.23 | noda | FREAK |
| 02:26.24 | _Psycho | haha |
| 02:26.36 | noda | _Psycho: I've got normal pictures. But I figure they're not worth putting up :) |
| 02:26.38 | kergoth | _Psycho: alright, wheres your pic eh? you have no right to comment until then |
| 02:26.38 | ljp | you are freaks! I am a normal, Boulderite |
| 02:26.44 | _Psycho | http://www3.sympatico.ca/colsen/vacance/rahan-inboat.jpg - me this summer |
| 02:26.50 | kergoth | ljp: hm, good point. i have relatives out there. |
| 02:26.52 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 02:26.56 | ljp | :) |
| 02:27.00 | noda | Actually, that's not true, I just need a pic taken from a digital camera, I have no scanner :P |
| 02:27.02 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/photo.jpg <--- 2 years ago |
| 02:27.37 | _Psycho | without hair ;) hehe |
| 02:27.56 | kergoth | I should develop the pics from my trip to vegas. more recent |
| 02:28.18 | ljp | me a couple years ago http://www.llornkcor.com/lornweb/ljp/amber_2.jpg |
| 02:28.45 | _Psycho | if you look in the same directory there is 3-4 pictures of womens at the beach i took too but well =p |
| 02:28.51 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: my graduating photo |
| 02:30.14 | ljp | wow, my site is really active! 4750 hits since 1998 |
| 02:30.28 | kergoth | heh, looking at pictures of us is amusing. I mean, stark differences in age, background, etc |
| 02:30.29 | noda | lol |
| 02:30.40 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 02:30.53 | dep | openzaurus.org is getting 'connection refused' |
| 02:30.56 | kergoth | yep, it is. |
| 02:31.01 | kergoth | bitch at SF |
| 02:31.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:31.06 | noda | ljp: I've got 400 hits since... 6 hours ago... |
| 02:31.16 | ljp | bastard! |
| 02:31.23 | noda | Oh, no, wait, 400/day for 6 days |
| 02:31.28 | dep | lol, right, i bet they are really responsive |
| 02:31.28 | noda | Wow, I'm bad at reading graphs :) |
| 02:31.38 | _Psycho | what web site noda ? |
| 02:31.44 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4242 |
| 02:32.02 | _Psycho | you live in quebec too ? |
| 02:32.07 | noda | My first PHP coding project was for this MUD Discworld. I've pretty much stopped playing, but everyone loves the site :P |
| 02:32.09 | noda | Yep, Montreal |
| 02:32.12 | _Psycho | ah me too |
| 02:32.13 | noda | chouimat's from Quebec too :) |
| 02:32.16 | noda | _Psycho: Montreal? |
| 02:32.20 | _Psycho | ouais |
| 02:32.25 | treke|home | I plan to do the chouimat|tv thing and keep my head shaved once baldness sets in :) |
| 02:32.33 | noda | _Psycho: I'm downtown -- you? |
| 02:32.39 | chouimat|tv | treke|home: hehe |
| 02:32.49 | _Psycho | rosemont, beaubien / sur louis-hebert |
| 02:33.01 | noda | _Psycho: What school/work do you do? :) |
| 02:33.02 | ljp | I wanna look like David Crosby, long hair and bald |
| 02:33.11 | kergoth | treke|home: thats my plan as well if i start balding |
| 02:33.21 | kergoth | treke|home: I hate those fucks doing the combover. like we cant fucking tell |
| 02:33.27 | ljp | wimps! |
| 02:33.30 | treke|home | I like being bald, it's just too much work to maintain |
| 02:33.33 | _Psycho | working as a programmer / network admin for a medium company, rive-sud, |
| 02:33.36 | _Psycho | for the moment |
| 02:33.38 | treke|home | I cant wait til nature does the job for me :) |
| 02:33.52 | noda | _Psycho: Heh, I used to do that :) |
| 02:34.08 | _Psycho | programming in progress = sux0r |
| 02:34.23 | _Psycho | what are you doing now ? |
| 02:34.25 | noda | _Psycho: Heh, my contract is going great. I've done all the heavy thinking :) |
| 02:34.41 | _Psycho | i just got mine extended to december |
| 02:34.48 | _Psycho | im looking to buy a car today - this week etc |
| 02:35.02 | noda | _Psycho: I've done an authentication framework in PHP and am working on a frontend to edit users and stuff. Multiple apps, multiple companies... pretty fun :) |
| 02:35.11 | kergoth | I've never had my hair long. tempted to try it, just for a change. or go bald or something. i get bored easy. |
| 02:35.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:35.15 | noda | Heh, I have to choose between getting a car or going to school next year :P |
| 02:35.20 | _Psycho | ah nice, consultant ? |
| 02:35.37 | treke|home | kergoth: problem with being bald is needing to shave every fucking day |
| 02:35.48 | noda | _Psycho: Um... I don't really know the technical term. But I make up my own hours, have no deadline, don't have to GO anywhere and get $20/hour. And I'm 19 :P |
| 02:35.58 | noda | So whatever it is, it's sweet :) |
| 02:36.08 | _Psycho | no bad i get around the same too |
| 02:36.10 | noda | And I pretty much define my job :) |
| 02:36.18 | _Psycho | worked 3 years for the gov too was nice |
| 02:36.34 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah, the maintainance would get annoying |
| 02:36.41 | _Psycho | noda where do you go out usually ? |
| 02:37.08 | kergoth | noda: bastard |
| 02:37.11 | noda | _Psycho: You mean in my free time? I don't have any :P |
| 02:37.25 | noda | _Psycho: Totally random places, last Friday I ended up in the west island somehow :) |
| 02:37.29 | _Psycho | bah like i go out every week ! geesh hehe |
| 02:37.33 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 02:37.49 | _Psycho | going often to the Baloos, cool to play billard and i know everyone there |
| 02:37.52 | chouimat|tv | so now you people know why I sahve my head |
| 02:37.57 | noda | Where's baloos? |
| 02:37.58 | _Psycho | st-denis / ontario |
| 02:38.01 | noda | Oh :) |
| 02:38.09 | noda | Heh, 2 streets I actually know ;) |
| 02:38.17 | _Psycho | i hope |
| 02:38.23 | treke|home | chouimat|tv: you know what they say, god only made so many perfect heads |
| 02:38.28 | _Psycho | before the videotron bulding |
| 02:38.28 | treke|home | chouimat|tv: the rest he covered with hair |
| 02:38.29 | _Psycho | anywya |
| 02:38.42 | _Psycho | if you see a freak playing day of the tentacle on a c700 its probably me |
| 02:38.49 | _Psycho | anyway check my picture haha |
| 02:38.50 | noda | lol |
| 02:38.55 | noda | Heh, yeah |
| 02:39.06 | chouimat|tv | treke|home: yup and a sahved head is more attractive to women |
| 02:39.08 | noda | Well, I'm off. I meant to do homework tonight, but I guess I won't :) |
| 02:39.13 | noda | Instead I'll sleep. |
| 02:39.17 | _Psycho | hehe later |
| 02:39.22 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh! I'll actually start up that OE stylesheet :) |
| 02:40.46 | kergoth | noda: oh, we need a device selection for the downloads page badly. If you dont have time, myself or tmm1 should do it. Say the word. delegate. it needs doing. |
| 02:40.59 | _Psycho | i play everquest everynight that stupid addicitve game sux all my time :/ |
| 02:41.01 | kergoth | given I'm just about done with the c700 support :) |
| 02:41.03 | noda | kergoth: Okay, will do now |
| 02:41.17 | chouimat|tv | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/sister.jpg |
| 02:41.33 | noda | kergoth: What's the filenaming convention? |
| 02:43.01 | kergoth | noda: we're talking another level in directory structure here, not a filenaming change |
| 02:43.06 | noda | Okay, sure, where? |
| 02:43.26 | kergoth | hold on, let me ssh over there |
| 02:44.38 | kergoth | just put another level. official/collie/3.1rc2 being 3.1rc2 for collie |
| 02:44.47 | kergoth | note that not all devices will have been a part of a given release |
| 02:44.54 | noda | Um... |
| 02:44.58 | noda | Shite :P |
| 02:45.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:45.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:45.08 | noda | ffs |
| 02:45.12 | noda | Anything else icky? |
| 02:45.14 | noda | What is 'collie'? |
| 02:45.31 | kergoth | collie is sharp's name for the 5000d/5500 sa1110 implementation / machine type |
| 02:45.35 | kergoth | poodle is b500/5600 |
| 02:45.39 | kergoth | corgi is c700 |
| 02:45.51 | kergoth | h3600 is .. ipaq h3600 |
| 02:45.51 | _Psycho | oh good to know |
| 02:45.55 | _Psycho | put that in a faq ! |
| 02:46.04 | noda | Okay. Would it be very confusing if for 'device selection' I gave the choice between 'sl-5000' and 'sl-5500' and made them point to the same thing? |
| 02:46.08 | noda | _Psycho: You got the idea, you make the faq :) |
| 02:46.24 | treke|home | h3600 is ipaq 3600, 3700, and 3800 |
| 02:46.30 | kergoth | noda: nah, we can do that |
| 02:46.42 | _Psycho | sure i can if ker doesnt |
| 02:46.48 | kergoth | _Psycho: no time, feel free |
| 02:47.00 | noda | kergoth: Um. If you're going to be doing this, why not separate the kernels while we're at it? |
| 02:47.05 | _Psycho | OE faq or ? what exactly hehe |
| 02:47.07 | noda | kergoth: Will all the collie kernels be in the same dir? |
| 02:47.07 | kergoth | noda: um, seperate them how? |
| 02:47.14 | kergoth | noda: oh, by version? |
| 02:47.17 | noda | kergoth: By model |
| 02:47.20 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:47.26 | noda | kergoth: SL-5000 and Sl-5500 are bunched together, the zImages |
| 02:47.31 | kergoth | oh, i see |
| 02:48.03 | _Psycho | there i started the OE FaQ :0 |
| 02:48.06 | kergoth | leave it as is for now. I'm restructuring everything anyway |
| 02:48.14 | noda | Okay. |
| 02:48.16 | kergoth | i.e. i'm moving initrd.bin and zImages into a seperate structure from the feeds |
| 02:48.35 | noda | Waitwaitwait, what's 'b500'? It's not c500? |
| 02:48.54 | treke|home | b500 |
| 02:48.57 | treke|home | its like the 5600 |
| 02:49.03 | treke|home | but japanese |
| 02:49.04 | noda | Oh fun. |
| 02:49.04 | kergoth | b500 is the japanese 5600 |
| 02:49.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:49.10 | noda | Small B or capital? |
| 02:49.21 | kergoth | noda: basically we have.. device class, machine type, and model |
| 02:49.30 | kergoth | ipaq -> h3600 -> 3800 |
| 02:49.38 | kergoth | zaurus -> collie -> 5500 |
| 02:49.59 | kergoth | in fact, the Ipkg Architecture field, and our device identification routines will be operating in this way |
| 02:50.01 | JasonNJ | fuck man the net is getting hammered over here |
| 02:50.07 | _Psycho | i thought OE was universal ? |
| 02:50.09 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 02:50.13 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:50.15 | JasonNJ | my traceroutes thru cablevison are fuckin nasty |
| 02:50.18 | noda | so 'device' table will be 'ipaq'/'zaurus', 'machine' table will be 'collie','h3600', and 'model' will be the models :) |
| 02:50.18 | kergoth | OE runs on whatever you want it on |
| 02:50.25 | kergoth | noda: that works. |
| 02:50.32 | chouimat|tv | JasonNJ: hey |
| 02:50.37 | noda | JasonNJ: Moo |
| 02:50.40 | kergoth | noda: course the user may or may not need to see anything but model, the interface is your call |
| 02:50.49 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 02:50.52 | chouimat|tv | JasonNJ: just finished jihad ... |
| 02:50.58 | JasonNJ | aiiiie |
| 02:52.23 | noda | What letters are capitalized in 'ipaq'? |
| 02:52.25 | chouimat|tv | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 02:52.45 | ljp | P |
| 02:52.50 | treke|home | noda: you pick :) |
| 02:53.07 | _Psycho | iPAQ ! |
| 02:53.07 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 02:53.20 | treke|home | i usualyl use iPaq |
| 02:53.25 | _Psycho | me neither, just look better ;) |
| 02:54.27 | _Psycho | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.34 | noda | It's iPAQ though :) |
| 02:55.39 | _Psycho | noda where is the web site btw ? |
| 02:55.45 | noda | _Psycho: openzaurus.org |
| 02:55.53 | _Psycho | oh ok i thought it was something else |
| 02:56.46 | noda | Hrm, I oughta put a 'manufacturer' table too. Well, that can wait. |
| 02:57.35 | treke|home | a 1910 is an h3900 I think |
| 02:57.49 | noda | Does anything actually WORK for that yet? :) |
| 02:58.06 | treke|home | nope :) |
| 02:58.18 | noda | I'll make that the test model for the admin frontends when I code 'em :) |
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| 03:00.44 | noda | Okay, the DOWNLOAD page needs a 'filter' system now :) |
| 03:00.51 | noda | This is getting way out of hand :) |
| 03:01.26 | chouimat|tv | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/div_bilder/Girls_are_Evil.jpg |
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| 03:13.03 | noda | kergoth: When do you plan RC3? |
| 03:13.29 | kenb | when it's ready. |
| 03:13.31 | noda | Heh |
| 03:14.48 | kergoth | its pretty much ready now |
| 03:14.50 | noda | Well, all I can say is, hope it doesn't have an ipaq build :P |
| 03:14.52 | kergoth | just flashing and testing |
| 03:14.55 | kergoth | it wont, not yet |
| 03:14.58 | noda | :) |
| 03:15.51 | noda | But the new directory structure will be in place? |
| 03:16.29 | kergoth | you mean structuring by device? |
| 03:16.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:16.53 | kergoth | we wont be structuring to model level for this release, do the zImages the way they are now for now |
| 03:17.58 | noda | Oh, okay... in that case I just won't push my changes. |
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| 03:18.43 | kergoth | so for rc3, just official/collie/[ver#] |
| 03:19.19 | noda | Oh, you ARE putting the new model level...? |
| 03:19.23 | kergoth | model != device |
| 03:19.25 | kergoth | model = model |
| 03:19.32 | kergoth | nah fuck it, i'll wait till final for that |
| 03:19.32 | noda | Dammit, MACHINE :) |
| 03:19.35 | kergoth | so go ahead adn hold off |
| 03:19.36 | noda | Please :) |
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| 03:19.53 | noda | I think it'd be much harder to implement this if it's only "halfway there" |
| 03:20.12 | kergoth | then we may as well do the complete restructure i have planned |
| 03:20.17 | kergoth | let me lay it out and i'll get back to you |
| 03:20.27 | noda | Awesome, sounds great. Please put it on Wiki? :) |
| 03:20.41 | noda | IRC is much harder to search :P |
| 03:20.57 | noda | I'll do a proper rewrite of the entire download code. The page is one big hack. |
| 03:21.07 | noda | lol, there's SO much work to do on this site! |
| 03:21.13 | noda | Well, I want to at least put in cool colours :) |
| 03:24.55 | bipolar | kergoth: are you still here? |
| 03:24.56 | _Psycho | got a call for a job to check tomorow |
| 03:24.58 | _Psycho | not bad |
| 03:25.37 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ -- ugly? |
| 03:25.48 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:25.53 | noda | lol, thank you :) |
| 03:25.56 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:26.00 | noda | What should I do to incorporate both colours? |
| 03:26.06 | kergoth | fuck man |
| 03:26.07 | noda | Or should I just stick to one... |
| 03:26.09 | kergoth | thats really fucking ugly |
| 03:26.12 | noda | rofl |
| 03:26.15 | kergoth | 'yes' just wasnt sufficient |
| 03:26.17 | kergoth | i had to comment |
| 03:26.21 | _Psycho | haha the logo ? |
| 03:26.22 | noda | LOL |
| 03:26.29 | noda | The ugly colours of course :) |
| 03:26.31 | _Psycho | i agree |
| 03:26.44 | noda | How 'bout that? |
| 03:26.47 | treke|home | we should lart the pig fucker who chose it |
| 03:26.54 | noda | ~lart me |
| 03:26.57 | kergoth | still ugly |
| 03:26.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:26.59 | treke|home | still ugly |
| 03:27.00 | noda | No thank you, I'll lart myself :) |
| 03:27.03 | chouimat|tv | noda: yup ugly but not as bad as goatse.?? :) |
| 03:27.08 | treke|home | its the only thing that color on the page |
| 03:27.10 | kergoth | noda: we should make the OpenZaurus at the top the script. same script as used on our boot logo |
| 03:27.20 | kergoth | the purplish on the navbars has gotta go |
| 03:27.30 | noda | kergoth: Script... well, that'd take an image but it'd be possible. |
| 03:27.36 | bipolar | kergoth: remeber the problem with not being able to get into 'packages' in make image_menuconfig? I can reproduce it. |
| 03:27.36 | noda | Yeah, purplish is easy to get rid of |
| 03:27.38 | kergoth | noda: right |
| 03:27.43 | kergoth | bipolar: how? |
| 03:27.57 | noda | kergoth: Get me an image of the logo -- send to adamh@densi.com |
| 03:28.07 | _Psycho | i think we should go for pink, neon green and light blue ! |
| 03:28.13 | treke|home | you see ugly is ok as long as something else is uglier |
| 03:28.16 | noda | _Psycho: These colours have specific meaning :P |
| 03:28.25 | bipolar | kergoth: every time a make_image fails it breaks it. It also overwrites the .config file. |
| 03:28.30 | kergoth | bipolar: huh? |
| 03:28.39 | bipolar | kergoth: I've still not found a way to reverse it though. |
| 03:28.39 | kergoth | menuconfig is supposed to overwrite .config |
| 03:28.43 | kergoth | thats its entire purpose in life. |
| 03:28.52 | kergoth | generating a .config from user selection |
| 03:28.55 | bipolar | kergoth: I know. |
| 03:29.04 | treke|home | and it does a fine job of it |
| 03:29.32 | bipolar | kergoth: something is overwriting it. Perhaps it's make_menuconfig thats overwiting it after not being able to get into 'packages'? |
| 03:29.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:30.01 | kergoth | menuconfig ALWAYS fucking writes .config when you save and exit |
| 03:30.02 | kergoth | no fuck shit |
| 03:30.05 | kergoth | fucking shit rather |
| 03:30.19 | kergoth | *config write .config |
| 03:30.22 | kergoth | thats WHAT THEY DO |
| 03:30.56 | bipolar | kergoth: but how does *config lose the package information? |
| 03:31.44 | kergoth | it doesnt lose it. |
| 03:31.49 | kergoth | something is screwing your pkgs.in |
| 03:31.50 | noda | kergoth: ROFL! Check it out now :P |
| 03:31.54 | kergoth | Packages config is _GENERATED_ |
| 03:31.59 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ :P |
| 03:32.01 | kergoth | based on the contents of output/ipks/ |
| 03:32.02 | bipolar | man... I'm just pissing *everyone* off today. I probbly should just go to bed. :p |
| 03:32.06 | noda | That was a kind of accident, but it looks sorta neat... |
| 03:32.17 | kergoth | eh, no |
| 03:32.24 | noda | kergoth: Ooh ooh ooh! Idea! I could make the background... a watermark... |
| 03:32.26 | bipolar | kergoth: where does *config get it's info from to write the .config file? |
| 03:32.28 | kergoth | green openzaurus on orange overlap hurts my eyes |
| 03:32.32 | noda | kergoth: Was just a joke :) |
| 03:32.32 | kergoth | bipolar: output/config.in |
| 03:32.43 | kergoth | bipolar: which includes output/pkgs.in |
| 03:32.45 | noda | But the watermark I'm serious about. I'll show an example |
| 03:32.48 | kergoth | bipolar: which is generated by output/Makefile |
| 03:33.04 | noda | http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/glassy.html |
| 03:33.09 | chouimat|tv | me thinks to try /kick command at random |
| 03:33.23 | treke|home | noda: that to is pretty ugly |
| 03:34.05 | noda | treke|home: The effect is neat though :0 |
| 03:34.06 | noda | :) |
| 03:34.25 | bipolar | kergoth: ok... and now pkgs.in is blank. 0 bytes. |
| 03:34.42 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks. Now I understand that part. |
| 03:35.25 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a way to regenerate that file with make <something>? |
| 03:35.42 | chouimat|tv | noda: I was thinking of a new reality show: Gang-banged by America |
| 03:35.47 | noda | Hehehe |
| 03:36.28 | chouimat|tv | noda: don't know if I will watch it .... |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | bipolar: rm output/pkgs.in |
| 03:36.39 | kergoth | bipolar: it generates it if it doesnt exist. |
| 03:37.26 | noda | kergoth: Ooh, the LOGO looks really cool on a web page though: http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ |
| 03:37.55 | bipolar | kergoth: ok. I rm'ed it, and it generated another empty one when I ran make image_menuconfig. |
| 03:38.00 | kergoth | noda: nice |
| 03:38.13 | kergoth | bipolar: and what about image_config? |
| 03:38.31 | noda | How about this: I make all the BORDERS one colour, say, orange, and the text that's BLUE in this stylesheet... green |
| 03:38.46 | bipolar | kergoth: it does the same thing. |
| 03:39.05 | bipolar | that logo looks really good. |
| 03:41.25 | bipolar | I like the color.... :p |
| 03:41.33 | bipolar | but I'm an insane moron anyway |
| 03:41.35 | bipolar | hehe |
| 03:43.36 | noda | Check out the site now, is it going in the right DIRECTION? |
| 03:43.41 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ |
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| 03:44.25 | _Psycho | god orange and green are like hmmm |
| 03:44.26 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 03:44.36 | chouimat|tv | noda: better |
| 03:44.36 | noda | _Psycho: Like what? ...the logo? :P |
| 03:44.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:44.54 | _Psycho | yeah well i never liked the orange and green logo =p |
| 03:44.57 | noda | Maybe black borders in most places and orange ones only as "trim"? |
| 03:45.03 | kergoth | I'm not sure about the colors anymore, they look crappy on a webpage |
| 03:45.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:45.06 | noda | i.e., underneath the <h1>'s in the divs |
| 03:45.13 | noda | I'll try something... one sec |
| 03:45.28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:45.55 | noda | Like... refresh. |
| 03:46.05 | noda | I dunno, I could take out more colour and put in something subtler. Maybe gray... |
| 03:46.13 | _Psycho | hmmm |
| 03:46.17 | noda | refresh |
| 03:46.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:46.33 | kergoth | better |
| 03:46.40 | _Psycho | look a bit bright like tooo hmm |
| 03:46.42 | kergoth | noda: seen ken's version for the opie background? http://ken.bantoft.org/oe/icon-blue-320x240.png |
| 03:46.43 | noda | One thing I personally like is the INPUT's -- check out the admin login section, click on stuff |
| 03:46.45 | chouimat|tv | noda: that better but imho the logo color SUCKS |
| 03:46.58 | noda | kergoth: Oh, we're allowed to change colour? |
| 03:47.07 | noda | chouimat|tv: I'd agree, they're not exactly made for web design :P |
| 03:47.16 | _Psycho | taht blue green look great kergoth (the OE logo) |
| 03:47.43 | noda | Man, if we had an SVG logo I could make the logo's colour part of the stylesheet... |
| 03:47.51 | noda | Damn, that would be sweet :) |
| 03:48.15 | chouimat|tv | noda: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/logo-mc.png |
| 03:48.31 | noda | Sheesh, seems like changing colours is all the rage here... |
| 03:48.37 | kergoth | noda: right now we decided on green/orange, but we _had_ to change it for the opie background |
| 03:48.47 | noda | kergoth: Why? |
| 03:48.47 | kergoth | noda: orange/green is too in your face for something intended to be _background_ |
| 03:48.56 | noda | kergoth: I guess the same applies for a webpage... |
| 03:49.23 | _Psycho | i suggest to take ken color :) |
| 03:49.31 | noda | The only thing I like on my new stylesheet now is the logo and the creative use of orange/green in the <input>'s :) |
| 03:49.34 | _Psycho | i like them =p |
| 03:49.38 | kergoth | noda: well you dont want a background to distract from your use of the launcher |
| 03:49.39 | noda | kergoth: Focus on an input in the login div :) |
| 03:49.51 | noda | actually, I should reverse the colours there :) |
| 03:49.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:49.54 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:51.09 | noda | Hrm. My roomates prefer the way the page looks on adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ to the openzaurus.org one. |
| 03:51.32 | noda | I think it's the logo :P |
| 03:51.41 | treke|home | well your roommate is obviously color blind |
| 03:51.47 | noda | treke|home: 2 roomates :P |
| 03:51.58 | noda | s/ma/mma/ |
| 03:52.25 | kergoth | eh |
| 03:52.34 | kergoth | that green on white isnt enough contrast |
| 03:52.35 | kenb | hm |
| 03:52.38 | kergoth | how can they prefer it? |
| 03:52.39 | kergoth | i mean |
| 03:52.41 | kergoth | blech |
| 03:52.44 | noda | kergoth: Agreed :) |
| 03:52.47 | kenb | the green text looks fugly, but I like the adamhooper one |
| 03:52.48 | _Psycho | its plain very ugly |
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| 03:53.01 | kergoth | hey effy |
| 03:53.19 | treke|home | its almost as ugly as kergoth |
| 03:53.26 | kergoth | yeah! |
| 03:53.27 | kergoth | i mean.. |
| 03:53.29 | chouimat|tv | hey effy |
| 03:53.44 | kenb | darken then green text and it would work... |
| 03:53.50 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 03:54.19 | noda | I'm gonna try an outline. Just for the hell of it. |
| 03:54.41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/content/news |
| 03:54.55 | effy | sup chouimat |
| 03:54.57 | effy | kergoth |
| 03:55.03 | chouimat|tv | effy: nothing |
| 03:55.17 | effy | heard of any job opportunities within Japan? :D |
| 03:55.32 | kergoth | fraid not. nobody keeps me in the loop on such things :\ |
| 03:55.38 | effy | hehe |
| 03:55.38 | chouimat|tv | effy: not |
| 03:55.50 | kergoth | Thinking I may hack on the MMC stuff soon |
| 03:55.58 | kergoth | I feel like delving back into kernel space for a while |
| 03:56.03 | chouimat|tv | and I don't want to lear japanese so |
| 03:56.27 | kenb | noda: do my blue/cyan color scheme ;) |
| 03:56.39 | effy | kergoth: if I can find stable employment, I may buy an SD card and try your hacks |
| 03:56.40 | effy | ;) |
| 03:56.46 | kergoth | kenb: i showed that toa friend of mine, he loved it |
| 03:56.59 | kenb | kergoth: the stuff I did last night? cool |
| 03:57.04 | Bala | so the OE logo is a fish? |
| 03:57.07 | kergoth | kenb: yeah |
| 03:57.08 | noda | kenb: Will try it out... |
| 03:57.18 | noda | kenb: I lost the url already, could you please send? |
| 03:57.20 | kergoth | Bala: eh? no |
| 03:57.31 | Bala | looks kinda fishy to me :) |
| 03:57.31 | kenb | noda: http://ken.bantoft.org/oe/icon-blue-320x240.png |
| 03:57.32 | noda | How's it look now btw? Just about finished the ugly colours. |
| 03:57.47 | _Psycho | blue cyan = win |
| 03:58.24 | noda | Should the text be blue or green? |
| 03:58.30 | noda | (i.e., one's the text, one's the trim) |
| 03:58.31 | kenb | kergoth: so we gonna change the color scheme to the blue/cyan instead? ;) |
| 03:58.35 | kenb | Blue I think. |
| 03:58.42 | kenb | noda: txt=blue |
| 03:58.48 | kenb | cyan text is fugly. |
| 03:58.50 | _Psycho | blue more readable on white |
| 03:59.10 | _Psycho | well its not reall cyan its more greenishj |
| 03:59.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:59.41 | noda | I'll put blue text, green trim |
| 03:59.47 | noda | Both are very readable though |
| 03:59.56 | _Psycho | from the logo yes indeed |
| 04:02.02 | kenb | I we're sticking with my color scheme, I'll convert the text + stuff logo variants as well |
| 04:02.05 | noda | Whoa. I think maybe the blue is too... shocking. |
| 04:02.10 | noda | Refresh. |
| 04:02.13 | bipolar | kergoth: looks like 'make image' deleted all the built ipk's. And I see that pkgs.in is built from the list of ipks in output/ipks. I guess thats why I can't get into 'packages', right? |
| 04:02.15 | noda | But I think there should be blue trim, green text. |
| 04:02.17 | kenb | I like it. |
| 04:02.23 | kergoth | bipolar: bingo |
| 04:02.34 | kergoth | bipolar: make image only runs ipkg and mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:02.38 | kergoth | bipolar: read the makefile yourself |
| 04:02.40 | kenb | noda: I like the blue text. very readable. |
| 04:03.02 | noda | kenb: Maybe it's just in contrast with the other logo and the old site, but I find it too... bold. |
| 04:03.03 | _Psycho | same° |
| 04:03.06 | kenb | noda: but try it backwards. we'll test. |
| 04:03.12 | noda | Okay. |
| 04:03.14 | bipolar | kergoth: so why would it delete the ipks? Do I have to run 'make' all over again? |
| 04:03.36 | kergoth | bipolar: making the ipks doesnt take long. |
| 04:03.41 | kergoth | bipolar: it doesnt recompile,, just reipks |
| 04:03.46 | kergoth | bipolar: yes, just run make |
| 04:03.55 | bipolar | k... here it goes... |
| 04:04.52 | noda | Ack, what on earth did I do... :P |
| 04:05.07 | kenb | noda: made it grey... ? |
| 04:05.23 | noda | There -- NOW look :) |
| 04:05.39 | noda | Christmas green! :) |
| 04:06.01 | noda | Actually... lemme try something out with the nav headings... |
| 04:06.03 | kergoth | i dont like the green text myself |
| 04:06.04 | kergoth | actually |
| 04:06.09 | noda | Yeah, I agree :) |
| 04:06.11 | _Psycho | green was nice |
| 04:06.14 | _Psycho | blue i mean |
| 04:06.18 | kergoth | i think with this color scheme, we may want to darken the background .. thats behind the boxes |
| 04:06.23 | _Psycho | blue with green border ? |
| 04:06.26 | kenb | go back to the blue text |
| 04:07.03 | noda | Blue text back |
| 04:07.14 | bipolar | kergoth: I have an error. can I /msg it to you? |
| 04:07.36 | kergoth | noda: cool. that is .. more bold than it was.. but i like it |
| 04:07.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:07.50 | noda | kergoth: Same as it was |
| 04:07.52 | _Psycho | getting nice |
| 04:07.55 | bipolar | oh... I think I know whats happening. |
| 04:07.57 | noda | The borders are green now, I think that's cool |
| 04:08.13 | noda | I think there's too much contrast. Lemme see what happens if I shade in the background a teeny bit... |
| 04:08.34 | kenb | I don't like the orange lines |
| 04:08.35 | kergoth | noda: i mean, in comparison to openzaurus.org. its bolder |
| 04:08.43 | kergoth | yeah, me neither |
| 04:08.44 | _Psycho | put the lines green too ? |
| 04:08.45 | noda | Whoops! Orange lines weren't meant to be there. They should be green! |
| 04:09.02 | bipolar | kergoth: for some reason, make image is thinking all the ipks are old and moving them to output/ipkg/old. Then when it goes to make the initrd.bin it can't find any files. |
| 04:09.25 | noda | There |
| 04:09.28 | kenb | noda: yea. |
| 04:09.32 | kergoth | bipolar: it runs scripts/dupecheck to check for duplicates to see what to move into old |
| 04:09.38 | kergoth | bipolar: perl script. do you have perl installed? heh |
| 04:10.26 | bipolar | kergoth: yes, it's installed. v5.6.1 |
| 04:10.46 | _Psycho | yeah i think that gray background look a bit better not sure if you made it all gray thought |
| 04:10.51 | noda | How 'bout THAT? |
| 04:11.04 | noda | Hrm, needs a tint. But do you think a very slight colour might be nice? |
| 04:11.08 | kenb | I dunno. |
| 04:11.11 | bipolar | kergoth: does this make any sense? |
| 04:11.12 | bipolar | Moved old file: /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/ssh-server_3.5p1-4_arm.ipk (/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/./ssh-server_3.5p1-4_arm.ipk is newer) |
| 04:11.29 | kenb | tinting the headers (naviations, admin, latest OZ) only might look better. |
| 04:11.42 | bipolar | it's exactly the same version, but it thinks it's old... hmmm |
| 04:12.10 | noda | Well, IMO (and I'm no web designer -- no sarcasm, I really am not) there's too much contrast and a VERY slight tint is needed |
| 04:12.59 | kenb | noda: currently did you tint the main panel? |
| 04:13.19 | kenb | it's not the same as the rest.. |
| 04:13.59 | noda | kenb: Yes |
| 04:14.10 | kenb | okay |
| 04:14.13 | kenb | that tint's good. |
| 04:14.18 | noda | Hrm, that tint's too much (the new one) |
| 04:14.23 | kenb | use that on the bottoms of the nav/latest/admin |
| 04:14.24 | noda | I want a tint that kinda has something to do with the logo. |
| 04:14.32 | kenb | and use the darker tint on the headers for those. |
| 04:14.34 | noda | Just gonna try one more :) |
| 04:14.42 | kenb | and make the header w/logo white |
| 04:15.08 | kergoth | bipolar: no, that definately makes no sense |
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| 04:15.29 | kergoth | bipolar: its just doing a string comparison.. you can read dupecheck.. |
| 04:15.30 | kenb | noda: ug. the green tint is ugly. |
| 04:15.34 | noda | kenb: Try now |
| 04:15.37 | kergoth | bipolar: its just to move the old shit out of the way |
| 04:15.50 | noda | I could even try with the blue tint in the background |
| 04:16.11 | kenb | noda: swap the header/content on the left side boxen |
| 04:16.24 | noda | kenb: Oh, I'm not touching those yet :) |
| 04:16.31 | noda | kenb: Do you like the current main tint though? |
| 04:16.34 | bipolar | kergoth: ok then. It looks like we found the problem. I wish I knew perl.... :p |
| 04:16.44 | _Psycho | noda i liked the one before better |
| 04:16.45 | kenb | noda: the green? not really. I prefer the blue |
| 04:17.02 | kergoth | bipolar: feel free to remove the check or make it a simple shell script check like in the ipkg-make-index script |
| 04:17.13 | _Psycho | nothing look contrasting here anyway hehe ;) |
| 04:17.26 | noda | ...this one? |
| 04:17.42 | kenb | noda: that's better. you could even go a little darker on the tint and get away with it |
| 04:17.47 | _Psycho | ya |
| 04:18.13 | noda | I wouldn't feel comfortable going darker... |
| 04:18.17 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:18.18 | noda | Okay, how about now? With the whole page tinted green |
| 04:18.21 | noda | No? Okay. |
| 04:18.22 | kergoth | i dont like the look of that for some reason |
| 04:18.33 | kenb | the background works. |
| 04:18.39 | _Psycho | i dont like green tint at all ;) |
| 04:18.40 | noda | Hehehe, we have disagreement here |
| 04:18.45 | kenb | the tints don't work with that BG |
| 04:18.51 | noda | What about paler? |
| 04:18.53 | kenb | Yea, kill the green tint |
| 04:18.56 | kenb | it makes me feel ill. |
| 04:19.07 | kenb | no green tint. it's known to make people feel ill |
| 04:19.12 | noda | Okay :) |
| 04:19.42 | noda | How about this... very faintly off-white (grey) |
| 04:19.55 | kergoth | better |
| 04:19.58 | kergoth | that page hurts my head |
| 04:20.00 | kergoth | i dunno why |
| 04:20.10 | kenb | I still see it as green |
| 04:20.19 | noda | kenb: Refresh |
| 04:20.27 | noda | There's no green beyond the line under "News" |
| 04:20.56 | chouimat|tv | noda: something is not quite correct in there |
| 04:21.02 | kenb | I guess it just looks that way to my eyes |
| 04:21.02 | kergoth | the edges of OpenZaurus look odd on my box |
| 04:21.12 | kergoth | edges of the fonts i mean |
| 04:21.16 | kergoth | of the dark blue on the tint |
| 04:21.19 | noda | Of the words? I think the dark font makes for easy pixellation |
| 04:21.20 | kergoth | against the tint rather |
| 04:21.23 | kenb | Yes, they aren't anti-aliased |
| 04:21.26 | noda | Well, that tint's gotta change anyway |
| 04:21.38 | noda | Hey strange, I don't think mine antialiases either! |
| 04:22.04 | kenb | I'd go back to blue tint. |
| 04:22.07 | noda | Nah, it's antialiased, but antialiasing doesn't do as much for big fonts |
| 04:22.10 | noda | kenb: It still has it... |
| 04:22.15 | noda | The title and left never did, I'll put it there too |
| 04:22.19 | kenb | ie: what's under OpenZaurus |
| 04:22.39 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:22.53 | kergoth | i cant describe what i hate about the way it looks right now |
| 04:22.58 | kergoth | but i strongly dislike it overall |
| 04:23.01 | kergoth | not just one thing |
| 04:23.06 | _Psycho | me too |
| 04:23.10 | _Psycho | =p |
| 04:23.12 | noda | kergoth: Don't worry, so do I :P |
| 04:23.24 | sheenmaster | is there a pop3 email dealy for the zaurus? |
| 04:23.36 | kergoth | hehe, make the background black behind the boxes just for shits :P |
| 04:23.37 | sheenmaster | so that I can grab my newslists and run |
| 04:23.55 | kenb | the main boxes sitll look green to me |
| 04:23.58 | noda | kergoth: Like that? |
| 04:24.07 | noda | kenb: There's no green ANYWHERE. There IS a blue tint... |
| 04:24.22 | kergoth | just when i thought it couldnt get any uglier.. |
| 04:24.24 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:24.25 | noda | Just changed the navigation, should I use a more subtle colour? |
| 04:24.26 | noda | ROFL |
| 04:24.37 | _Psycho | better a bit :) |
| 04:24.39 | noda | kergoth: You don't know me well enough yet :) |
| 04:24.39 | kenb | noda: the grey looks like green :) |
| 04:24.46 | bipolar | kergoth: I replaced dupecheck with a script that just does 'echo $1' It worked then. |
| 04:24.48 | noda | kenb: Which grey? |
| 04:24.52 | noda | The background? |
| 04:24.56 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:24.56 | kenb | noda: the main panel grey |
| 04:24.56 | _Psycho | border still green isnt ? |
| 04:25.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:25.12 | noda | The main panel grey is very blue... |
| 04:25.17 | noda | Yes, green borders are still there. |
| 04:25.30 | kenb | have the bg on the headers the same green. |
| 04:25.36 | kenb | with the white text. |
| 04:25.52 | _Psycho | oh yeah could look good |
| 04:25.59 | noda | There |
| 04:26.15 | kenb | yea. and change all the tints. |
| 04:26.15 | noda | In my opinion, the ideas are there but that blue tint is just awful :) |
| 04:26.21 | _Psycho | nah blue was better ;) |
| 04:26.31 | kenb | I like the green BG for headers |
| 04:26.32 | _Psycho | for BG + white text imo |
| 04:26.34 | noda | Hehehe, someone come up with a tint. Just take the gimp colour chooser and choose me a colour, give me the hex |
| 04:26.40 | kenb | noda: sec. |
| 04:26.43 | _Psycho | it snot bad thought |
| 04:26.59 | noda | I like blue too, since all other headers are blue, and it slightly brings out the green borders |
| 04:27.14 | kergoth | gah |
| 04:28.06 | noda | c'mon, everybody feed me some hex colours! |
| 04:28.23 | kenb | 7897cc |
| 04:28.36 | noda | Ack. WAY too dark :) |
| 04:28.38 | noda | Refresh |
| 04:28.46 | kergoth | ahhhh |
| 04:28.52 | noda | I'll just bump up all the numbers by 3 and see what happens |
| 04:29.00 | bipolar | noda: #ffff00 |
| 04:29.02 | bipolar | hehe |
| 04:29.16 | noda | bipolar: YOU BASTARD! |
| 04:29.21 | kenb | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:29.26 | _Psycho | i like dark anyway |
| 04:29.30 | _Psycho | ;) well going bed |
| 04:29.34 | _Psycho | good luck ! :) |
| 04:29.35 | noda | ROFL, refresh |
| 04:29.39 | kergoth | no! |
| 04:29.43 | kenb | heh |
| 04:29.44 | kergoth | no more refreshing for me |
| 04:29.45 | bipolar | :) |
| 04:29.50 | kergoth | getting a headache |
| 04:29.51 | noda | lol, c'mon people, give me decent colours! |
| 04:29.54 | kenb | ea0aff |
| 04:29.55 | kenb | :) |
| 04:30.07 | noda | kenb: You're kidding, right? |
| 04:30.10 | kenb | yes. |
| 04:30.17 | _Psycho | C249E1 |
| 04:30.17 | _Psycho | ! |
| 04:30.19 | kenb | i tried to get the worst color |
| 04:30.21 | noda | Hey, if I change the 0 to an f we're back at some place kinda nice |
| 04:30.27 | noda | kergoth: What do you think? |
| 04:30.41 | kenb | d3d08d |
| 04:30.42 | noda | From now on I'm gonna plug into the colour chooser before trying on the browser ;) |
| 04:30.44 | _Psycho | i hate that colo rhehe |
| 04:31.33 | noda | Refresh. d3d08d |
| 04:31.35 | Shdwdrgn | I hate to repeat what has probably already been said... but have any of the developers had a chance to look over the Toshiba SD card specs that was linked to on the Sharp developer's forum? |
| 04:31.46 | kenb | ugh. |
| 04:31.55 | _Psycho | ker said he didnt had time |
| 04:32.02 | kergoth | Shdwdrgn: its in my mailbox, and will be reviewed when i have a chance |
| 04:32.11 | Shdwdrgn | is it REALLY a full spec that could be useful in developing a driver, or is it just a general knowledge doc? |
| 04:32.12 | kenb | noda: I think we need to pick a color for the tint, and then a shade |
| 04:32.16 | Shdwdrgn | kergoth: cool :-) |
| 04:32.32 | _Psycho | its rather detailed ;) |
| 04:32.34 | noda | kenb: Go right ahead. My initial shot was the blue or green from the logo |
| 04:32.34 | _Psycho | for spec |
| 04:32.39 | _Psycho | with all the RAW command and stuff |
| 04:32.42 | kenb | I prefer the blue |
| 04:32.50 | noda | But the TEXT is blue |
| 04:33.19 | kenb | yea |
| 04:33.40 | kenb | 9f9fa0 |
| 04:34.03 | noda | Too dark... 9f9fa0 |
| 04:34.10 | kenb | k |
| 04:34.18 | _Psycho | i like that gray |
| 04:34.19 | kenb | cbccd3 |
| 04:34.22 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 04:34.42 | kenb | I started with the blue from the logo, so I'm on the same Gimp color chart. |
| 04:34.45 | noda | Try that, cbccd3 |
| 04:34.59 | _Psycho | put the same color at left ? |
| 04:35.01 | kenb | still too blue. |
| 04:35.20 | kenb | e8e8e8 |
| 04:35.25 | noda | That's grey |
| 04:35.28 | kenb | yea. |
| 04:35.50 | noda | Done. Not that I dislike the colour, but this is pretty much what I was suggesting at the VERY beginning :) |
| 04:36.00 | kenb | heh |
| 04:36.06 | noda | So, do people like? |
| 04:36.10 | kenb | this didn't have the green hue of earlier. |
| 04:36.18 | _Psycho | u prefer darker but its just me |
| 04:36.20 | kenb | noda: change the other panels... |
| 04:36.27 | noda | kenb: It still doesn't. It's GRAY |
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| 04:37.24 | noda | kergoth: Heh |
| 04:37.31 | noda | I'll try another colour :) |
| 04:37.45 | kenb | I wonder if changed the borders to black work work |
| 04:38.00 | noda | kergoth: Try now |
| 04:38.06 | noda | f8f8f8f0 |
| 04:38.08 | noda | Erm, f8f8f0 |
| 04:38.10 | kenb | I still like it with white BG's |
| 04:38.15 | kenb | like now |
| 04:38.27 | noda | I'm gonna try blue in the left headers again |
| 04:38.58 | noda | Hrm. Now I prefer the green on the left... |
| 04:39.09 | kenb | yea. |
| 04:39.15 | noda | kergoth: What, is it THAT bad now? I find it browseable though not nice |
| 04:39.16 | kenb | green headers looked decent |
| 04:39.32 | noda | They just seem out-of-place to me. Back to grene. |
| 04:39.36 | noda | s/grene/green |
| 04:39.40 | kenb | green is hard to use. |
| 04:39.44 | kergoth | i dislike the entirety |
| 04:39.56 | kergoth | and dont know where to start |
| 04:39.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:40.03 | noda | kergoth: You sound like TheMasterMind1 :P |
| 04:40.10 | kergoth | I'm not good with specifics |
| 04:40.12 | kergoth | never have been |
| 04:40.15 | noda | It's simple. We've been shifting 3 frickin' colours around :P |
| 04:40.18 | kergoth | I rely on impressions and intuition |
| 04:40.21 | kergoth | and i feel that this sucks |
| 04:40.22 | kergoth | ! |
| 04:40.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:40.25 | noda | rofl |
| 04:40.28 | kenb | hehehah |
| 04:40.42 | kenb | kergoth: do you like the design/colors of http://www.freeswan.ca/ ? |
| 04:40.43 | mewyn | kergoth: you running a 2.5 on your desktop yet? |
| 04:40.47 | bipolar | shit... something deleted all my opie-* ipks now....sigh... |
| 04:40.50 | noda | I personally like the background I'm using right now :) |
| 04:41.36 | kergoth | kenb: I dont much like the text color of hte navbar on the navbar bg for some reason, but everything else i like |
| 04:41.41 | kenb | noda: keep it as is right now.. just change the OpenZaurus text to a graphic. |
| 04:41.44 | kergoth | kenb: clean design, easily navigated |
| 04:41.50 | noda | Bah. I'm going to bed now, no matter what. |
| 04:42.35 | noda | kergoth: Refresh, changed back just for you :) |
| 04:42.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:42.39 | kergoth | night noda |
| 04:43.02 | kenb | noda: that works. g'night! |
| 04:43.14 | noda | Bah, the colours just don't work :(... but it's better than it was before. I can sleep at night :) |
| 04:43.18 | kenb | hahah |
| 04:43.22 | noda | kergoth: Don't worry, I won't commit this :P |
| 04:43.25 | kergoth | whew |
| 04:43.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:43.40 | kenb | ? |
| 04:43.52 | kenb | Poor guy. We're a buncha contrasting picky bastards. |
| 04:43.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:44.08 | _Psycho | he like bright stuff, i like dark stuff =p |
| 04:44.10 | kergoth | yep, disagreeing with each other hafl the time |
| 04:44.13 | _Psycho | anyway going bed hehe night :) |
| 04:44.22 | kergoth | I dont midn either way, as long as its clean, navigable, and doesnt give me a headache |
| 04:44.28 | kenb | I go for clean. |
| 04:44.34 | kenb | I do much UI design @ work |
| 04:44.59 | kenb | So it's always clean, solid colors, and no stupid flash crap :) |
| 04:45.03 | kergoth | yeah, clean is good |
| 04:45.06 | kergoth | simplicity is often best |
| 04:45.28 | kenb | before I appeared, ever webapp in the place was in a grey BG, grey text, and dark blue headers. |
| 04:45.37 | kenb | it was freaking depressing to stare at 8 hrs a day |
| 04:46.27 | kenb | I still love my navbar on http://ken.bantoft.org - it's the only place I've used a solid green in the webworld. |
| 04:47.44 | kergoth | yeah i was looking at your site earlier |
| 04:47.49 | kergoth | nice and simple |
| 04:48.06 | kenb | yea |
| 04:48.10 | kenb | All my designes are... |
| 04:48.16 | kenb | except http://www.darkillustrated.org |
| 04:48.24 | kenb | but there's a reason for that site to look evil ;) |
| 04:48.27 | Shdwdrgn | hey kergoth... looking at this Toshiba doc... I don't suppose you'd be interested in the SPI command code? Or maybe the step-by-step process of initializing the card? Nawww... doesn;t sound useful... |
| 04:48.49 | kergoth | Shdwdrgn: dont waste my time. again, i said i'd look at it when i can. |
| 04:48.53 | kergoth | Shdwdrgn: when i can != now |
| 04:49.22 | Shdwdrgn | ok then |
| 04:49.24 | kergoth | hey i forgot my sd wrapper module dealy is in the 2.4.19 collie sources |
| 04:49.30 | kergoth | may as well remove that, since it didnt work ayway |
| 04:51.15 | bipolar | Shdwdrgn: where is that doc, anyway? |
| 04:51.21 | mewyn | Setup is 4731 bytes. |
| 04:51.21 | mewyn | System is 1198 kB |
| 04:51.21 | mewyn | eep |
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| 04:53.35 | redfenix | hi. |
| 04:54.47 | kergoth | yo |
| 04:55.07 | redfenix | so, what should I name the package? bluez-devices? |
| 04:55.30 | kergoth | treke, treke|home: ping |
| 04:55.41 | kergoth | talk to treke there if he's around, he did the bluez user space tools packages |
| 04:56.24 | redfenix | ibot: seen treke |
| 04:56.24 | | treke is currently on #opie (7h 24m 56s) #zaurus (7h 24m 56s) #openembedded (7h 24m 56s) #handhelds.org (7h 24m 56s) #openzaurus (7h 24m 56s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 3h 49m 3s |
| 04:56.39 | redfenix | ibot: seen treke|home |
| 04:56.39 | | treke|home is currently on #opie (1d 4h 39m 51s) #zaurus (1d 4h 39m 51s) #openembedded (1d 4h 39m 51s). Has said a total of 141 messages. Is idling for 1h 3m 20s |
| 04:57.16 | kergoth | our kernel modules are named [item]-modules |
| 04:57.25 | kergoth | so per our naming, it should be bluez-modules for the kernel modules |
| 05:01.25 | redfenix | this is what we've got right now: |
| 05:01.27 | redfenix | find packages -type d -name "*bluez*" |
| 05:01.27 | redfenix | packages/bluez-libs |
| 05:01.27 | redfenix | packages/bluez-pan |
| 05:01.27 | redfenix | packages/bluez-sdp |
| 05:01.27 | redfenix | packages/bluez-utils |
| 05:02.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:02.57 | kergoth | and now you want bluez-modules |
| 05:03.00 | redfenix | ok |
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| 05:33.43 | kergoth | takepatch: 703 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 187 files |
| 05:33.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:34.09 | Piete | sup kergoth |
| 05:34.25 | kergoth | nada, doing buildsystem cleanups |
| 05:34.28 | kergoth | you? |
| 05:35.19 | Piete | just chilling a bit before work... |
| 05:35.36 | Piete | ruining my kde desktop my turning it green ;) |
| 05:35.42 | Piete | http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/greenshot.png |
| 05:35.51 | Piete | s/me/by |
| 05:43.02 | kergoth | fun |
| 05:43.14 | scanline | eep, someone actually uses that OSnews wallpaper? |
| 05:43.27 | Piete | scanline: I was bored, ok? |
| 05:43.32 | scanline | sure, sure :) |
| 05:43.40 | Piete | scanline: currently its grey : http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/greyshot.png |
| 05:44.00 | scanline | informative :) |
| 05:44.08 | Piete | haha |
| 05:44.08 | redfenix | Piete: looks like a pea-pod exploded on your desktop. |
| 05:44.16 | Piete | redfenix: hahaha |
| 05:55.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:55.25 | TheMasterMind1 | whats was that make your own debian package thing |
| 05:55.32 | TheMasterMind1 | created a basic debian/ dir |
| 05:55.33 | kergoth | deb-make |
| 05:55.34 | TheMasterMind1 | in the src |
| 05:55.51 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 05:56.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: testing my fix for the TS in 2.4.19 on collie |
| 05:56.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 05:56.12 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 05:56.25 | kergoth | we can at least make it available for those w/o mmc/sd if it worked |
| 05:56.30 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 05:56.48 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe i can use my Z with .19 after all |
| 05:58.03 | kergoth | i'm 90% sure this is going to work. if it does, I'll push my tslib patch upstream, along with teh collie module |
| 06:01.04 | redfenix | hmph... having problems compiling bluez stuff... |
| 06:01.12 | redfenix | checking for bluetooth/sdp.h... no |
| 06:01.13 | redfenix | configure: error: SDP headers not found. |
| 06:01.13 | redfenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.16 | redfenix | it is installed... |
| 06:01.26 | redfenix | or at least selected from menuconfig |
| 06:01.47 | redfenix | CONFIG_BLUEZ-LIBS=y |
| 06:01.53 | redfenix | any ideas? |
| 06:02.38 | treke|home | build bluez-sdp |
| 06:02.55 | kergoth | arent dependencies fun? |
| 06:02.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:03.09 | treke|home | kergoth: I cant figure out why it isnt being built. It depends on BLUEZ-SDP |
| 06:03.19 | kergoth | and BLUEZ-SDP is in pkg.conf? |
| 06:03.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:03.29 | mewyn | hrm |
| 06:03.33 | redfenix | CONFIG_BLUEZ-SDP packages/bluez-sdp packages/bluez-sdp/config.in |
| 06:03.33 | treke|home | dunno |
| 06:03.33 | mewyn | hrm hrm hrm |
| 06:03.36 | mewyn | i think |
| 06:03.42 | redfenix | that's from pkg.conf |
| 06:03.50 | kergoth | pkg.conf is the glue by which config system dependencies translate to makefile target prerequisites |
| 06:03.52 | mewyn | that ACPI S3 has been implemented in the latest 2.5 |
| 06:03.54 | kergoth | redfenix: check .depends |
| 06:04.25 | kergoth | speaking of 2.5, i should reboot onto it |
| 06:04.26 | kergoth | brb |
| 06:04.51 | redfenix | geez. what am I looking for? |
| 06:04.54 | treke|home | kergoth: packages/bluez-pan : packages/bluez-pan/Makefile |
| 06:04.54 | treke|home | .PHONY : packages/bluez-sdp |
| 06:04.54 | treke|home | subdir-$(CONFIG_BLUEZ-SDP) += packages/bluez-sdp |
| 06:05.11 | treke|home | the problem packages is bluez-pan |
| 06:05.17 | treke|home | it needs bluez-libs and bluez-sdp |
| 06:05.24 | redfenix | subdir-$(CONFIG_BLUEZ-SDP) += packages/bluez-sdp |
| 06:05.34 | redfenix | subdir-$(CONFIG_BLUEZ-SDP) += packages/bluez-pan |
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| 06:06.03 | redfenix | treke|home: what is pan for? |
| 06:06.07 | treke|home | dunno |
| 06:06.49 | redfenix | treke|home: I thought you were involved with the bluez stuff...? |
| 06:06.50 | treke|home | I know nothing about bluetooth |
| 06:07.02 | treke|home | redfenix: I just packaged it. I dont have a clue how it works |
| 06:09.10 | redfenix | ibot: make me a scotch on the rocks. |
| 06:09.12 | | make: *** No rule to make target `me a scotch on the rocks.'. Stop. |
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| 06:09.39 | redfenix | heh... can't remember what kergoth told him last time. |
| 06:09.48 | treke|home | sugar make me a scotch |
| 06:09.48 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 14 different, for instance Scotch Old-Fashioned, Scotch Bishop Cocktail, Scotch Highball, Scotch Holiday Sour, Scotch Bounty and Scotch on the Rocks. |
| 06:10.17 | treke|home | Sugar: give me whichever one is just scotch and a glass |
| 06:10.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 06:11.57 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 06:12.54 | nikki | hello |
| 06:13.06 | redfenix | treke|home: hmm... i specified the bluez-libs only first... and it built fine... then I added sdp to the config and it gave me the same error. |
| 06:13.23 | treke|home | you have to build sdp by hand |
| 06:13.32 | redfenix | treke|home: how? |
| 06:14.13 | nikki | is it relatively safe to ipkg upgrade oz3.1rc2? i'm using the command line (no opie running) |
| 06:14.15 | treke|home | make SUBDIRS=packages/bluez-sdp |
| 06:14.56 | redfenix | ok.. thanks |
| 06:15.18 | redfenix | ?? |
| 06:15.28 | redfenix | install: cannot stat `/home/kevin/src/oz/buildroot-oz/packages/bluez-sdp/postinst': No such file or directory |
| 06:15.50 | treke|home | just disable bluez for now |
| 06:15.54 | treke|home | I'll look tomorrow |
| 06:16.22 | redfenix | treke|home: the reason I'm interested in it is because I'm wanting to add a driver module to it for a specific cf card. |
| 06:17.29 | treke|home | then poke in the makefile, and take out the postinst reference |
| 06:17.37 | treke|home | it will get fixed tomorrow |
| 06:19.01 | treke|home | its a simple fix |
| 06:19.25 | redfenix | bluez-pan/postint too |
| 06:19.44 | treke|home | as I said. I'll fix it tomorrow |
| 06:19.59 | redfenix | okay..I just wanted you to know that there are two of them. |
| 06:20.10 | redfenix | dude, I'm just trying to help. |
| 06:20.26 | kergoth | i dont think he claimed otherwise. |
| 06:20.54 | redfenix | well, I just don't want you to think that I'm on your case or breathing down your neck or something. |
| 06:21.10 | treke|home | I dont. I'm just tired, pissed, and not inclided to give a shit |
| 06:21.30 | treke|home | I know what the problem is, and it explains something else |
| 06:21.35 | redfenix | treke|home: you _do_ need a drink... =) |
| 06:21.55 | treke|home | yes I do |
| 06:22.13 | treke|home | I just got back from a 100 mile round trip drive. The wrong day |
| 06:22.22 | redfenix | oh... sheesh. |
| 06:24.09 | treke|home | particularly with gas at 2.30 a gallon :) |
| 06:24.26 | redfenix | dang... and I'm complaining about 1.65 |
| 06:24.51 | treke|home | hehehe. 1.65 is normal :) |
| 06:25.22 | redfenix | oh... sdpd-init and pand-init... and I think that's all. |
| 06:26.05 | treke|home | somehow those files didnt get pushed |
| 06:26.45 | redfenix | packages/bluez-utils/bluez-utils-configure.patch does not exist... ?? that too? |
| 06:26.59 | treke|home | that most definitly should exist |
| 06:27.12 | redfenix | came up right after the dl. |
| 06:27.58 | kergoth | redfenix: bk co packages/bluez-utils |
| 06:28.01 | kergoth | he |
| 06:28.01 | kergoth | h |
| 06:28.12 | treke|home | ibot oz buildroot? |
| 06:28.17 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 06:28.19 | redfenix | ah. got it. |
| 06:28.49 | treke|home | oz snapshot? |
| 06:29.40 | treke|home | I was gonna say. I did the build running on my ipaq from a clean bk tree :) |
| 06:29.45 | treke|home | so I know this stuff builds |
| 06:29.58 | redfenix | okay... build's done. |
| 06:30.20 | redfenix | check it out: |
| 06:30.22 | redfenix | bk co packages/bluez-pan/ |
| 06:30.22 | redfenix | packages/bluez-pan/Makefile 1.2: 47 lines |
| 06:30.22 | redfenix | packages/bluez-pan/config.in 1.4: 4 lines |
| 06:30.22 | redfenix | Writable packages/bluez-pan/pand-init exists |
| 06:30.22 | redfenix | Writable packages/bluez-pan/postinst exists |
| 06:30.41 | redfenix | hm... so why weren't they there after the original clone yesterday? |
| 06:31.17 | treke|home | cant say. I put them in on sunday |
| 06:31.33 | redfenix | hmm. |
| 06:32.21 | treke|home | only change I've made this week was to build a more corrent OPIE and test a new kernel |
| 06:32.27 | treke|home | neither of which were pushed |
| 06:32.46 | redfenix | treke|home: I believe you... I just don't know why those files come over on a co, but not a clone. |
| 06:33.02 | treke|home | a clone doesnt check out the files |
| 06:33.09 | treke|home | you have to check them out after cloning |
| 06:33.10 | redfenix | ?? |
| 06:33.22 | redfenix | so is it the config.in's then? |
| 06:35.41 | redfenix | and where is the bluez.o module? I've got it running already on my c700, but shouldn't it also be in the packages? |
| 06:35.59 | treke|home | the kernel modules havent packaged yet |
| 06:36.00 | redfenix | or is that something I need to add when I make the bluez-modules package? |
| 06:36.29 | treke|home | its part of the bluez kernel modules package |
| 06:36.48 | redfenix | treke|home: ok... so do you want me to help/do that? |
| 06:36.58 | treke|home | sure. |
| 06:37.37 | redfenix | treke|home: if you get a chance, maybe you could just create the package and framework and I can fill it in? |
| 06:37.39 | treke|home | I havent done it yet since it isnt something I have need of :) |
| 06:37.53 | redfenix | treke|home: how can you use bluez without it? |
| 06:38.15 | treke|home | the affix/orinoco/hostap packages are probably a good example |
| 06:38.30 | treke|home | redfenix: a) It's part of the ipaq kernel tree b) I dont use bluetooth |
| 06:39.02 | redfenix | treke|home: okay, I will work on that tomorrow night. |
| 06:39.33 | treke|home | and since I dont have the peripherals for it, I dont know if the stock bluez-kernel package would even work |
| 06:40.45 | treke|home | hrm, looks like it wouldnt since the bluetooth driver was written by andrew christianson :) |
| 06:41.28 | redfenix | treke|home: well, I've got a bt card and it does try to come up, but I don't have the right driver module running to use it. |
| 06:42.06 | redfenix | treke|home: it gripes about not having the bt950 module, so I found the bt950.c file and I just need to get it compiled. |
| 06:42.37 | treke|home | hrm, I guess you need to find the bt950 driver :) |
| 06:42.50 | treke|home | you can try the bluez-modules package |
| 06:44.37 | redfenix | treke|home: I've already got the bt950.c file... two versions of it actually. |
| 06:45.08 | redfenix | treke|home: I just need to compile it... so if I put the bluez-modules into oz, I can add it in... right? |
| 06:45.39 | treke|home | probably |
| 06:45.40 | treke|home | I dont know |
| 06:46.24 | redfenix | well, that's my goal |
| 06:47.38 | redfenix | well... good night. |
| 06:47.43 | redfenix | it's going on 1am here. |
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| 06:54.44 | treke|home | oh well. I'm gonna go juggle a bit and head to sleep |
| 06:55.44 | kergoth | cool, night |
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| 07:19.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did it work? |
| 07:19.34 | kergoth | I dunno, got distracted by other things |
| 07:19.45 | kergoth | jugglin too much shit |
| 07:19.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:26.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 07:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 07:27.11 | kergoth | yeah, if i dont get it tested tonight I will tomorrow |
| 07:27.19 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 07:27.22 | kergoth | right now i'm doing a fresh collie build to flash and test to get rc3 out |
| 07:27.30 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 07:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | we're not doing samba then i guess |
| 07:27.42 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 07:27.44 | kergoth | nah, thatll wait till final |
| 07:27.48 | kergoth | ibot: seen docwhat |
| 07:27.49 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 8d 9h 49m 26s ago, saying: 'Gotta get back to work.'. |
| 07:27.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:28.08 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
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| 07:39.11 | kergoth | ibot: screen |
| 07:39.12 | | somebody said screen was http://asis.web.cern.ch/asis/products/GNU.MISC/screen-3.9.11/screen_toc.html, or http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=648 |
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| 08:32.57 | HCl | can someone help me setting up a cross compile/dev environment for the zaurus? |
| 08:34.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz toolchain |
| 08:34.19 | | i guess oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 08:38.33 | HCl | i have that |
| 08:38.42 | HCl | but i need more to compile for opie dont i |
| 08:40.27 | HCl | o.o |
| 08:40.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 08:40.54 | TheMasterMind1 | aptitude is nice |
| 08:41.00 | TheMasterMind1 | HCl: get the buildroot |
| 08:41.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz buildroot |
| 08:41.04 | | well, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 08:41.09 | HCl | hm |
| 08:41.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz snapshot |
| 08:41.16 | | i guess oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 08:41.17 | HCl | ok |
| 08:44.24 | HCl | that doesnt look what i want to do though |
| 08:44.38 | HCl | i dont want to compile oz, i want to develop an app for it |
| 08:51.26 | HCl | o.O |
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| 09:06.57 | HCl | grin |
| 09:06.58 | HCl | subtile |
| 09:07.18 | NetNut404_PDA | heheh |
| 09:07.22 | kergoth | HCl: buildroot is handy in that it builds any component of OZ, including opie and every opie needs, including qt/e. |
| 09:07.34 | HCl | ok |
| 09:07.36 | kergoth | HCl: saves time and energy, so you can work on more important things |
| 09:07.45 | HCl | hmm k |
| 09:07.59 | kergoth | hmm, 2.5.64 is nice.. |
| 09:07.59 | HCl | well.. i've been looking about cross compiling for zaurus but... |
| 09:08.03 | HCl | having little luck so it seems |
| 09:08.05 | kergoth | they've really gotten things stabilized |
| 09:08.09 | HCl | theres one doc but.. |
| 09:08.10 | kergoth | HCl: just get a toolchain. |
| 09:08.17 | kergoth | HCl: thats all you need. everything else comes from that. |
| 09:08.23 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 09:08.27 | | oz toolchain is probably http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 09:08.27 | HCl | kergoth: i still need more... cross compiled opie etc right |
| 09:08.28 | HCl | i have the toolchain |
| 09:08.35 | kergoth | once again, buidlroot does all that part for you |
| 09:08.41 | kergoth | or you can start building them manually |
| 09:08.46 | HCl | mrfl |
| 09:08.46 | kergoth | read the SourceCode page in the opie wiki |
| 09:08.53 | HCl | :/ |
| 09:09.08 | kergoth | huh? |
| 09:09.26 | HCl | theres only one doc about cross compiling for the zaurus |
| 09:09.27 | kergoth | use the buildroot, type a couple make commands, and sit on your ass while it builds. too difficult for you i guess |
| 09:09.31 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 09:09.33 | kergoth | read the opie wiki |
| 09:09.35 | HCl | and it requires you to modify your entire linux thing |
| 09:09.40 | kergoth | which outlines _exactly_ how to build opie |
| 09:09.41 | kergoth | bullshit. |
| 09:09.50 | HCl | sigh |
| 09:09.58 | kergoth | the crosscompiler howto does not require you to make major changes to your box |
| 09:10.03 | kergoth | i ought to know, I helped ben write it |
| 09:10.09 | HCl | lets see, lemme get the url |
| 09:10.10 | kergoth | and those are my cross shell scripts in it |
| 09:10.17 | HCl | http://www.uv-ac.de/ipaqhelp |
| 09:10.20 | kergoth | um |
| 09:10.23 | kergoth | docs.zaurus.com |
| 09:10.27 | kergoth | read the crosscompiler howto |
| 09:10.32 | HCl | zaurus.com wont work in opera x.x |
| 09:10.38 | kergoth | and? |
| 09:10.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:10.44 | HCl | at least not the dev site |
| 09:10.52 | HCl | well it doesnt work in lynx either so that screws me over O.o |
| 09:10.57 | kergoth | so install another fucking browser |
| 09:11.01 | kergoth | konq |
| 09:11.02 | HCl | no? o.o |
| 09:11.03 | kergoth | mozilla |
| 09:11.04 | kergoth | phoenix |
| 09:11.07 | kergoth | then dont fucking beg for help |
| 09:11.12 | HCl | sigh |
| 09:11.18 | kergoth | either use the buildroot, which automates it all |
| 09:11.24 | kergoth | or figure out how to get the howto |
| 09:11.29 | HCl | it automates oz compilation right |
| 09:11.33 | HCl | not setting up a cross dev env |
| 09:11.36 | kergoth | yes, which includes opie |
| 09:11.40 | kergoth | 'cross dev env'? |
| 09:11.43 | kergoth | um |
| 09:11.49 | HCl | compiling and developing zaurus apps on x86 |
| 09:11.50 | kergoth | there's no such thing. |
| 09:11.54 | HCl | what part did you not understand |
| 09:12.00 | kergoth | you said you wanted to build zaurus apps for ARM |
| 09:12.07 | kergoth | as you said you wanted to compile on the Z itself |
| 09:12.12 | HCl | and develop them on the x86, yes |
| 09:12.16 | HCl | yyes |
| 09:12.20 | HCl | if i cant get cross dev to work |
| 09:12.23 | kergoth | x86 is completely differnet, and doesnt require a cross dev env |
| 09:12.24 | HCl | i'll have to resort to that |
| 09:12.31 | kergoth | are you unable to read a wiki? |
| 09:12.37 | HCl | ugh |
| 09:12.38 | kergoth | the opie documentation completely outlines how to build it |
| 09:12.41 | kergoth | both for x86 and ARM |
| 09:12.43 | kergoth | with or without cross |
| 09:12.46 | HCl | you're not helping at all, you know that? |
| 09:12.54 | HCl | never mind |
| 09:12.55 | kergoth | well I help those who are willing to read. |
| 09:12.59 | HCl | ill ask the author of sketches of q |
| 09:13.01 | HCl | he's bound to know |
| 09:13.19 | kergoth | sure, maybe he's your little puppy who wont force to do. *shudder* read |
| 09:13.28 | kergoth | s/to do/you to/ |
| 09:13.39 | HCl | im not a cluebie =] |
| 09:13.44 | HCl | i just like to read stuff that'll help |
| 09:13.47 | HCl | not unrelated stuff |
| 09:13.49 | HCl | that might help |
| 09:13.50 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org |
| 09:13.52 | kergoth | SourceCode |
| 09:13.54 | HCl | but isnt really relevant |
| 09:13.58 | kergoth | which outlines _everything_ about building qt/e and opie |
| 09:14.00 | kergoth | for either x86 or ARM |
| 09:14.05 | kergoth | thats too difficult for you? |
| 09:14.11 | HCl | i DONT WANT TO BUILD OPIE FOR X86 OR ARM |
| 09:14.18 | kergoth | uh, you said you wanted zaurus apps |
| 09:14.20 | HCl | i want to compile opie apps |
| 09:14.24 | HCl | that'll work on the zaurus |
| 09:14.25 | HCl | and thats all |
| 09:14.32 | kergoth | yes, which you cant do without building the opiee and qt libts |
| 09:14.34 | kergoth | libraries |
| 09:14.41 | kergoth | which you cant do without following those instructions. |
| 09:14.44 | kergoth | good fucking luck. |
| 09:14.44 | HCl | im semi aware of that |
| 09:14.46 | NetNut404_PDA | er wanyed |
| 09:14.50 | HCl | grin |
| 09:14.53 | kergoth | the 'semi' is obvious |
| 09:15.08 | kergoth | if you want to build Z apps, read the documentation on building qt/e and opie. |
| 09:15.15 | kergoth | or go beg in another channel |
| 09:15.56 | HCl | ill ask the author of sketches of q =] |
| 09:15.59 | kergoth | I wrote the original opie+qt/e build docs for a reason, to avoid having to handhold folks like yourself. |
| 09:16.00 | HCl | thanks anyways |
| 09:16.37 | tronical | lol |
| 09:16.52 | kergoth | tronical: hey simon, how goes it? |
| 09:17.08 | tronical | kergoth: hey. tried of studying for exams ;( |
| 09:17.14 | kergoth | tronical: ahh |
| 09:17.20 | kergoth | that time of year again eh |
| 09:17.37 | tronical | it feels like it's that time the whole year :) |
| 09:17.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:18.00 | HCl | *sent* |
| 09:18.03 | kergoth | I finally went back and finished our tslib stuff the other day :D |
| 09:18.15 | kergoth | had put it off for far too long |
| 09:18.16 | tronical | oh, great! |
| 09:18.29 | tronical | so... it works with .19? |
| 09:18.41 | kergoth | bout to test, but I believe I isolated the problem |
| 09:18.50 | tronical | awesome |
| 09:18.58 | tronical | what was it? |
| 09:19.14 | kergoth | my collie module for the Z specific transforms based on magic numbers in flash.. |
| 09:19.23 | kergoth | it was only affecting data from a ts_read, not ts_read_raw |
| 09:19.41 | tronical | ohh |
| 09:19.42 | kergoth | so typical calibrations (ts_read_raw users), were getting untransformed values |
| 09:19.48 | tronical | d'oh :) |
| 09:19.49 | kergoth | but in 2.4.6 those transforms were in kernel space |
| 09:19.52 | kergoth | it wasnt possible to bypass |
| 09:19.54 | kergoth | hehe, yeah |
| 09:20.24 | kergoth | so I added a new function in tslib, you can now stuff a module in the linked list between the ts_read_raw and the actual hardware read |
| 09:20.44 | kergoth | echo module_raw collie xyswap >> /etc/ts.conf |
| 09:20.50 | kergoth | _should_ solv eit |
| 09:20.54 | tronical | HCl: I wouldn't be surprise if 2.4.6 opens up a rootshell if you telnet to port 1042 ;) |
| 09:20.55 | kergoth | will find out shortly |
| 09:21.07 | HCl | tronical: o.o |
| 09:21.21 | tronical | ok, studies call ;( bbl |
| 09:21.26 | kergoth | have fun! |
| 09:21.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:21.37 | HCl | thats not really secure... O.o |
| 09:22.21 | kergoth | heh, there are currently two outstanding vulnerabilities against the Z _specifially_, much less the ones that will affect other aspects of things it uses |
| 09:22.35 | kergoth | thankfully only one of those two was ever announced to bugtraq and friends |
| 09:22.42 | HCl | mmm. |
| 09:23.35 | kergoth | block the sync ports, and set a root password, that'll take care of most of the problem(s) |
| 09:24.05 | HCl | nod.. |
| 09:24.18 | HCl | what about the memory leaks in 2.4.6.. |
| 09:24.28 | kergoth | 2.4.6 has worse problems than leaks |
| 09:24.35 | NetNut404_PDA | hmmm |
| 09:24.36 | HCl | mmm. |
| 09:24.56 | kergoth | if this TS problem is fixed in our 2.4.19 here, the only thing it wont have is sd/mmc |
| 09:25.03 | HCl | hm |
| 09:25.06 | kergoth | anyone who doesnt mind that, will then be free to test it out |
| 09:25.14 | kergoth | I'll porrt an open source MMC driver when I hvae time |
| 09:25.42 | kergoth | NetNut404_PDA: somehow i doubt it |
| 09:25.44 | kergoth | brb |
| 09:26.30 | kergoth | and it'll be in the unstable feed when i update it |
| 09:26.33 | HCl | nice |
| 09:26.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:27.29 | kergoth | wow, i just made busybox ash Page Fault on my Z |
| 09:27.34 | kergoth | and can reproduce it reliably |
| 09:27.36 | HCl | heh |
| 09:27.36 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 09:33.49 | NetNut404_PDA | hmmm that's not good |
| 09:35.59 | kergoth | rpm? no comment |
| 09:36.15 | HCl | yea, the file link in the doc is in rpm |
| 09:36.18 | kergoth | alien is spiffy |
| 09:36.24 | HCl | mm. |
| 09:42.20 | kergoth | shit, usb-storage doesnt want to load in 2.5.64 |
| 09:42.21 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 09:44.44 | kergoth | grr |
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| 10:04.18 | HCl | nite kergoth |
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| 10:22.52 | HCl | horrible.!! horrible!!! *stares at ALL the undefined references* *twitches and types rm -rf /opt/Qtopia |
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| 10:54.43 | octave | whats this channel for? |
| 10:56.50 | pb_ | see the topic |
| 10:57.18 | octave | is it like embedded software channel? |
| 10:59.40 | yeiazel | it's about the 'openembedded' project |
| 10:59.52 | octave | what is it? |
| 11:00.09 | yeiazel | just see the website... |
| 11:00.33 | yeiazel | it's the successor of openzaurus |
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| 11:01.27 | pb_ | obviously not impressed. |
| 11:02.10 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:02.24 | yeiazel | he doesn't own a decent pda |
| 11:02.33 | yeiazel | probably got a palm :) |
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| 13:35.05 | mallum | hi |
| 13:35.31 | mallum | anyone remember the make target for ipkg selection before you do a make image ? |
| 13:35.53 | icefox | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=1699&s=4abfa22ee96edfe0c1011ce383e83b38 |
| 13:35.57 | icefox | Anyone else see that? |
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| 14:20.13 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:20.26 | JasonNJ | interesting post on SD stats on the zaurus-general list this morning |
| 14:20.52 | kenb | oh? |
| 14:21.02 | kenb | got link to webview? |
| 14:21.52 | JasonNJ | http://polysat.calpoly.edu/documents_cp2/cdh/data_sheets/toshiba_m1283bx.pdf |
| 14:22.07 | JasonNJ | somebody posted this info on the sharp dev BBS |
| 14:22.16 | JasonNJ | I think this document is not supposed to be circulated |
| 14:22.16 | kenb | fsck. |
| 14:22.41 | JasonNJ | doesnt matter, the fact that it is circulated is the important thing |
| 14:22.46 | JasonNJ | we can create a driver from it |
| 14:23.01 | kenb | no.. fsck for other reasons. my mom just got laid off an hour ago. |
| 14:23.09 | JasonNJ | oh. |
| 14:23.12 | JasonNJ | damn |
| 14:23.17 | kenb | and she bought a new car yesterday. |
| 14:23.26 | JasonNJ | aw shit |
| 14:23.31 | kenb | uh huh. |
| 14:23.50 | JasonNJ | how long did she have her job |
| 14:23.56 | kenb | 5 years. |
| 14:24.23 | JasonNJ | what does your mom do? |
| 14:24.37 | kenb | general admin/project management |
| 14:25.11 | kenb | for a large engineering company |
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| 14:47.12 | chouimat|Zzzz | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030313&mode=classic |
| 14:49.12 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:10.26 | treke|home | abnyone looked at the supposed SD spec toshiba posted? |
| 15:10.32 | kenb | not yet |
| 15:10.35 | kenb | I downloaded it |
| 15:10.41 | kenb | but that's it so far. |
| 15:10.47 | treke|home | I suspect its worthless :) |
| 15:12.18 | treke|home | "No parts of this document may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form" |
| 15:13.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:13.23 | kergoth | wonder who's ass is on the line now |
| 15:13.23 | ljp_work | doh |
| 15:13.32 | treke|home | http://polysat.calpoly.edu/ |
| 15:13.33 | treke|home | :) |
| 15:13.35 | kenb | hahah |
| 15:13.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:13.51 | treke|home | Cal Poly's :) |
| 15:14.10 | treke|home | so I reckon it isn't going to be of any use :) |
| 15:14.12 | kenb | it gives the command set... |
| 15:14.28 | kenb | the SPi command set, but otherwise nothing new. |
| 15:14.38 | kergoth | anything about card init? |
| 15:14.43 | kenb | yea |
| 15:14.48 | kenb | how to do it |
| 15:14.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:14.58 | treke|home | page 12 :) |
| 15:15.11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:15.17 | kenb | ie: drive this pin to "low level" etc.. |
| 15:15.22 | kergoth | wonder what legal reproducions one could suffer by using it |
| 15:15.25 | kenb | send this command, do this, etc... |
| 15:15.49 | kenb | unknown. it was placed in the public domain |
| 15:15.54 | kergoth | indeed |
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| 15:16.09 | kergoth | the fact that its in public domain really makes their attempt to use hiding of card init information as an access control moot |
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| 15:16.14 | kenb | from dealings with my lawyers on stuff like this... |
| 15:16.25 | kenb | once it's in the open, it's no longer a "trade secret" |
| 15:16.35 | kenb | and you can go after whoever broke the NDA, but no-one else. |
| 15:16.54 | kergoth | heh, and a shitload of OZ users have now mirrored it, its out there |
| 15:16.55 | kenb | your only recourse its to kill whoever released it. |
| 15:17.25 | kergoth | well, I'll start on the MMC only open source driver, and add SD per this document later |
| 15:18.08 | treke|home | hehe this thing is spreading like a wildfire |
| 15:18.13 | kenb | yea |
| 15:18.21 | kenb | I'll get it hosted in .nl where it can't be touched. |
| 15:18.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:19.12 | mallum | kergoth: hey there mr |
| 15:19.20 | kergoth | hey mallum, how goes it |
| 15:19.29 | kergoth | I was testing my devdetect script last night |
| 15:19.44 | kergoth | and realized i had problems when using it made busybox ash Page Fault |
| 15:20.38 | mallum | kergoth: hehe, I just checking for kernel version | existance of /proc/hal/model at the mo for the x scripts ( rather crap ) |
| 15:20.55 | kergoth | mallum: check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:21.00 | mallum | kergoth: I have to send you this mondo patch sopon |
| 15:21.01 | kergoth | mallum: the machine type |
| 15:21.03 | kergoth | k |
| 15:21.32 | mallum | kergoth: I'll just let my current build finsh, take the dogs out nd then would you speak me through it |
| 15:21.49 | kergoth | k |
| 15:22.24 | mallum | kergoth: apart from adding the xfree86 stuff ( which is big ), I fixed tslib ( cvs updated with z patches ? ) and made small changes o /etc/profile in the base |
| 15:22.31 | treke|home | kergoth: actualyl now that I think about it, this might have been out for a while |
| 15:22.50 | kergoth | mallum: bk pull and look at it now. tslib includes tslib.sh which drops into /etc/profile.d/, now |
| 15:23.24 | treke|home | kergoth: "SD/MMC: Uses Toshiba SDIO core. Rumor has it specs and Linux drivers are available for this." |
| 15:23.32 | treke|home | from hh.o |
| 15:23.35 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm |
| 15:24.06 | mallum | kergoth: ah cool and that sets the env vars ? |
| 15:24.13 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:24.21 | kergoth | based on the device identification |
| 15:24.30 | mallum | cool |
| 15:24.36 | kergoth | I figured it was about time we needed profile.d |
| 15:24.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:24.48 | mallum | kergoth: Im currently trying to get a 3.2 based X image togeather |
| 15:24.53 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 15:24.58 | kergoth | hows the performance overall atm? |
| 15:25.19 | mallum | kergoth: but I've fsked busybox somewhere along the lines and Im not getting a mount/umount in the image :( |
| 15:25.29 | kergoth | its not a fscked busybox |
| 15:25.37 | kergoth | you need tinylogin and util-linux-mount |
| 15:25.42 | mallum | kergoth: seems pretty good. I've only really run remote apps |
| 15:25.43 | kergoth | I pulled them out to avoid SUID busybox |
| 15:25.47 | kenb | okay |
| 15:25.51 | kenb | I got it hosted in .nl |
| 15:26.11 | kenb | guy who runs the ISP that hosts xenu (scientology) stuff |
| 15:26.18 | kenb | He loves ceast + desist letters. |
| 15:26.21 | treke|home | hehe |
| 15:26.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:26.26 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:26.35 | treke|home | if the scientologists cant get him the SD association doesnt have a chance :) |
| 15:26.40 | kenb | exactly |
| 15:27.17 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I thought I had util-linux-mount ... |
| 15:27.47 | kenb | so do we take bets on how long before the letters appear? |
| 15:28.21 | treke|home | kenb: fedex doesnt start delivering till 10 tomorrow |
| 15:28.33 | treke|home | so I guess... 10 tomorrow |
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| 15:29.59 | kenb | heh |
| 15:32.15 | chouimat | toshiba_m1283bx.pdf that document? |
| 15:32.53 | kenb | yes |
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| 15:56.33 | kergoth | hey ||ugh |
| 15:57.31 | ||ugh | Hey, there. I am busy as HELL with IETF. My Z can't get on the net due to some bitrot, so I am thinking of going to -rc3 rather then finding the time to fix it, any idea when? |
| 15:58.33 | ||ugh | Mostly I am looking for # of years/months/weeks or more hopefully days! |
| 15:58.49 | kergoth | days. definately days. |
| 15:58.54 | kergoth | most probably today, in fact |
| 15:59.15 | kergoth | doing a full rebuild atm, then need to work out a couple minor remaining kinks |
| 15:59.45 | mallum | kergoth: if I do a bk pull what will happen to the changes I've made locally ? |
| 15:59.45 | ||ugh | Very cool! |
| 15:59.53 | kergoth | mallum: nothing |
| 16:00.03 | kergoth | mallum: if you've bk ci'd them, it'll intelligently resolve |
| 16:00.09 | kergoth | mallum: if you didnt, it'll abort and yell at you |
| 16:00.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:00.41 | kergoth | it doesnt do conflict resolution on changes which arent yet -in- the repository |
| 16:01.04 | mallum | kergoth: ok I havn't bk ci'd them as yet |
| 16:01.11 | kergoth | do that |
| 16:01.15 | kergoth | you can run bk citool to make it easier |
| 16:01.25 | bipolar | kergoth: the ipks I built are working great on my zaurus. Can I upload them somehow or do you want to pull them down from the existing feed? |
| 16:01.30 | kergoth | easily check the changes in, and build a changeset of them |
| 16:01.42 | mallum | kergoth: ok I'll give it ago |
| 16:01.44 | kergoth | bipolar: you upgraded to it? what did you have to do to get it to work? |
| 16:02.01 | kergoth | bipolar: just -force-overwrite? |
| 16:02.04 | ||ugh | kergoth, I _might_ be able to be an early testor later today again if that is useful. I will be at the hotel though and my only link to the net a T3... :r) |
| 16:02.10 | bipolar | kergoth: no, I used my initrd. I did not run an upgrade. |
| 16:02.15 | mallum | kergoth: these images I made with 3.2 are total poop. init seems to be segv'ing :( |
| 16:02.32 | bipolar | kergoth: my fs got fudged trying to upgrade. |
| 16:02.35 | kergoth | bipolar: then oz-base, sysvinit, busybox, tinylogin, modutils, ipkg new versions cant be put into the feed. |
| 16:02.43 | kergoth | bipolar: until its been confirmed that they dont hose a Z |
| 16:03.02 | kergoth | I can add you tot he SF project so you have unstable write access |
| 16:03.05 | bipolar | kergoth: it wasn't the packages, it was garbage collection. |
| 16:03.23 | bipolar | kergoth: I'll need to find more guinipigs... :) |
| 16:03.24 | kergoth | bipolar: i realize that. that doesnt prove that those packages wont have hosed it in and of themselves though. |
| 16:04.09 | bipolar | anyone using unstable that wants to be a guinipig? :-) |
| 16:04.26 | kergoth | hehe. now you sound like me. I rarely test stuff myself |
| 16:04.39 | mallum | kergoth: can I just tarball up my packages/xfree86 directory and put it on http for you ? |
| 16:04.51 | kergoth | mallum: hehe. that works, until you get the hang of bk ;) |
| 16:05.06 | mallum | kergoth: I dont have ancient tcl/tk installed so citool wont run :( |
| 16:05.48 | kergoth | mallum: ah |
| 16:06.02 | kergoth | you can always bk ci packages/blah/filename, bk add packages/blah/newfile, bk commit |
| 16:06.07 | kergoth | but web is probably easier for now |
| 16:07.14 | ||ugh | kergoth, question, if -rc3 is this week, I guess it does not have the next gen OPIE that is supposed to show up on the 16? |
| 16:07.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07.26 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I'll read the docks - proimise :-) |
| 16:07.42 | kergoth | the cebit opie is just opie from cvs, with minor alterations if any |
| 16:08.54 | ||ugh | Good, let me bug kenb on this over on the #freeswan channel. |
| 16:09.00 | kergoth | k |
| 16:11.40 | ||ugh | General question, has anyone tried to get the RATOC USB host CF adaptor working on Z OpenEmbedded? (If you read that just right it's like a bad WWII flick...) |
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| 16:14.05 | kergoth | ||ugh: not to my knowledge. |
| 16:14.28 | icefox | you guys got the sd doc right? |
| 16:14.28 | ||ugh | Rats. |
| 16:14.44 | treke | yup |
| 16:14.47 | icefox | ok |
| 16:14.54 | treke | everyone and their mother has a copy now :) |
| 16:14.56 | icefox | I had to kill the thread just to be safe |
| 16:15.04 | icefox | sense Sharp is a SD member |
| 16:15.07 | bipolar | damn... the kpacman ipk still does not include a funtional schema... |
| 16:15.31 | treke | now that it's out there in the wild :) |
| 16:15.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:16.43 | ||ugh | I smell a Wumpus! |
| 16:19.15 | mallum | kergoth: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/xfree86.tar.bz2 |
| 16:20.33 | mallum | kergoth: its big cos it contains a load of png cursors, which cant be easily generated via a x-compile. people would need 4.3 installed locally to do it otherwise |
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| 16:22.47 | kergoth | mallum: k |
| 16:23.15 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 16:23.24 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 16:23.31 | Twiun | what's cookin'? |
| 16:23.40 | kergoth | nada, buildroot madness as always |
| 16:23.48 | kergoth | pushing huge changesets that touch half the files in the tree |
| 16:23.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:23.55 | kergoth | cleanup, mostly |
| 16:24.08 | Twiun | cool... I'd best do a pull then :) |
| 16:24.13 | kergoth | this always happens when i'm approaching a release though |
| 16:24.20 | kergoth | ironing out little kinks |
| 16:26.25 | Twiun | that's understandable, I do the same with with my code, cleaning up and documenting things |
| 16:26.30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:27.03 | Twiun | gets interesting when things no longer work after the cleaning up exercies |
| 16:27.08 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:27.08 | Twiun | exercise |
| 16:27.14 | kergoth | here's hoping nothing explodes :) |
| 16:27.47 | Twiun | I hope not, might get a contract and they're thinking of using OZ |
| 16:31.07 | Twiun | not that I have the skill to do anything with them |
| 16:31.25 | ||ugh | Ah, the RATOC CF/USB host does not get released till next week, but as least it's soon. |
| 16:31.33 | kergoth | ah |
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| 16:32.08 | ||ugh | So this SD doc, is it for the 5000/5500 or the 5600 or just SD doc in general? |
| 16:32.32 | kergoth | its in general |
| 16:33.08 | ||ugh | Humm, now maybe we can figure out if a system _can_ be secure with one of these in it. Very _very_ imporant that... |
| 16:33.32 | treke | ||ugh: the drm stuff wasnt included, from the snippets I read |
| 16:35.11 | HCl | ugh |
| 16:35.28 | HCl | tons, tons and TONS of linking errors when cross compiling -.- |
| 16:36.09 | kergoth | treke: what manufacturer has a ti-4200 thats dual head? |
| 16:36.18 | HCl | x.x |
| 16:36.21 | treke | kergoth: They all are as far as I know |
| 16:36.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:36.39 | treke | kergoth: the DVI output |
| 16:36.50 | kergoth | ah, could get a dvi->vga adapter |
| 16:36.51 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:37.04 | kergoth | that work? |
| 16:37.30 | treke | should work fine. I dont think anyone actually puts two vga ports on the geforce 4s |
| 16:37.44 | treke | the downside is that it handles things similar to xinerama |
| 16:39.27 | kergoth | hm, pricewatch has brands of that unit i've never heard of for $108 |
| 16:39.31 | kergoth | pretty cheap |
| 16:40.01 | treke | what brands? |
| 16:40.04 | ljp_w | why waste a monitor on a box that already has one. |
| 16:40.18 | kergoth | I need more desktop space for more simultanious displays of Eterms! |
| 16:40.19 | ljp_w | get another box |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | :D |
| 16:40.26 | ljp_w | ssh |
| 16:40.35 | treke | ~lart ljp_w |
| 16:40.35 | kergoth | i only own one box |
| 16:40.39 | kergoth | but i own two monitors |
| 16:40.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:40.44 | ljp_w | you get 2 monitors and more processors |
| 16:40.55 | kergoth | well i dont count my firewalls and shit. only one real box for coding and shit |
| 16:41.07 | kergoth | dood, my firewall whups that's ass |
| 16:41.10 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:41.30 | kergoth | ~lart ljp_w |
| 16:41.44 | ljp_w | that firewalls a waste of cycles |
| 16:41.45 | kergoth | I should put distcc on the magnia |
| 16:41.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:41.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:41.55 | ljp_w | there ya go |
| 16:41.58 | kergoth | but i cant |
| 16:42.00 | kergoth | cause its down |
| 16:42.11 | kergoth | and i dont own a stupid laptop ide -> normal ide adapter |
| 16:42.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:42.17 | ljp_w | well, rub it real hard, it'll get back up |
| 16:42.54 | kergoth | hey now |
| 16:43.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:43.08 | treke | <kergoth> my firewall needs pills |
| 16:44.18 | ljp_w | my firewall has a modem at one end now :( |
| 16:44.50 | HCl | any idea why i would have an insane amount of undefined references |
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| 16:52.47 | kergoth | .. two turntables and a microphone .. |
| 16:53.01 | HCl | x.x |
| 16:53.08 | ljp_w | that was a good drum break... |
| 16:53.20 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:53.23 | kergoth | i love beck's old stuff |
| 16:53.27 | kergoth | loser |
| 16:53.33 | ljp_w | beck rocks |
| 16:53.41 | kergoth | yea |
| 16:54.07 | HCl | now what.. |
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| 17:01.35 | bipolar | kergoth: I've tested upgrading from unstable to my feed. It was slow but it worked, I think. I had to reboot in the middle of it. I sent an email to the OZ users list asking for some more testers before we upload. |
| 17:02.26 | kergoth | bipolar: k |
| 17:02.34 | kergoth | there were so many changes recently.. |
| 17:02.48 | bipolar | yeah... I stated that in the email. |
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| 17:02.55 | noda | Moo! |
| 17:03.02 | bipolar | kergoth: no harm in being extra careful |
| 17:03.04 | bipolar | noda: yo |
| 17:03.05 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/OE_logo_byhand.svg |
| 17:03.41 | bipolar | noda: what app do you use to make svg's? |
| 17:04.05 | kergoth | hm, /me grabs the mozilla svg support |
| 17:04.12 | noda | bipolar: Someone used Adobe Illustrator, since the logo zip package had an AI file in it. I went through and got rid of all the Adobe cruft by hand. |
| 17:04.38 | noda | And I re-grouped stuff and put in meaningful id's in the groups. |
| 17:04.48 | mallum | bipolar: sodipodi is really nice for SVG's |
| 17:05.01 | noda | mallum: Yeah, but it can't read AI files I don't think |
| 17:05.10 | bipolar | noda: ahh... I was thinking maybe sodipodi |
| 17:05.11 | noda | I needed to convert. I don't think sodipodi does that yet. |
| 17:05.17 | bipolar | mallum: hehe |
| 17:06.13 | bipolar | noda: sodipodi opens that logo fine. |
| 17:06.32 | bipolar | sweet.... |
| 17:07.10 | noda | bipolar: Yes, but I meant CONVERSION. I didn't start off with a blank sheet. I know sodipodi opens it, I made it valid SVG :P |
| 17:07.43 | bipolar | noda: I'm confused... conversion to/from what? |
| 17:07.46 | kergoth | hm, i need a phoenix build w/ freetype and svg support |
| 17:07.54 | noda | bipolar: From the original logo |
| 17:08.12 | noda | kergoth: Same here, I view mine with the bonobo component in Nautilus right now. |
| 17:08.41 | noda | Frickin' thing puts a black background instead of transparent :) |
| 17:09.16 | kergoth | dont have konq or nautilus installed :) |
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| 17:09.30 | noda | Well, as a bonobo widget anything can use it... whatever :) |
| 17:09.50 | bipolar | noda: you mean that this image was not created as a svg, but as some kind of bitmap? If I'm acting stupid, just tell me to STFU |
| 17:10.33 | noda | bipolar: I don't know how it was created, but it's only available in a bunch of different formats, such as .EPS, .AI, .PSD... I had to make a .svg :) |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:10.41 | noda | (because I'm a w3 freak) |
| 17:10.43 | mallum | noda: do you know of a ps -> svg converter ? thats what I really need |
| 17:10.45 | bipolar | noda: ahh! |
| 17:10.53 | noda | mallum: Dunno, maybe Adobe Illustrator. |
| 17:11.01 | noda | But it puts lots of ugly cruft in the svg file :) |
| 17:11.11 | bipolar | svg is awesome. |
| 17:11.37 | Twiun | definately |
| 17:12.19 | bipolar | does adobe have an illustrator demo? ;) |
| 17:12.28 | noda | Hrm, I think I might be able to simplify and make the svg more accurate if I understand the spec well enough :) |
| 17:12.54 | noda | bipolar: You do know that'll never happen, right? (though maybe an input filter) |
| 17:15.28 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh! |
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| 17:15.44 | bipolar | noda: yeah... I know.... :( |
| 17:16.01 | kergoth | treke: are you using any virtual config items in bluez? |
| 17:16.17 | kergoth | treke: i.e. items that dont translate to a packages/blah .. like the KERNEL and LIBC config items |
| 17:16.51 | kergoth | just a possibile reason the deps are having issues |
| 17:16.56 | kergoth | possible |
| 17:18.12 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:18.41 | mallum | kergoth: I just did a bk pull and busybox is playing up :( |
| 17:19.03 | mallum | kergoth: Im getting a ./scripts/config/conf: ./scripts/config/conf: cannot execute binary file |
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| 17:30.29 | noda | w00t! I've "decoded" one of the paths Illustrator wrote, so now I can rewrite it :) |
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| 17:32.48 | chouimat | wb kergoth |
| 17:33.18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 17:33.28 | kergoth | back on 2.4.20-ck4 so i can use my damn cf reader |
| 17:33.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:34.03 | kergoth | bleh, local joint sells laptop 2.5" -> normal ide adapters for fucking $12 |
| 17:34.08 | kergoth | what a ripoff, compgeeks has em for $4 |
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| 17:34.46 | ccamp | awwith 10 in shipping |
| 17:34.47 | ccamp | heh |
| 17:34.49 | kergoth | course given my magnia has my mp3 collection, and a 566 celeron i could be distcc'ing onto, i'm tempted to buy it locally anyway |
| 17:34.52 | kergoth | good point |
| 17:34.55 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm hacking a pogresql and sqlite layer for subversion |
| 17:35.22 | kergoth | chouimat: eh, if you work on subversion code, you could lose your single free use bitkeeper license. |
| 17:35.26 | kergoth | chouimat: read the terms |
| 17:35.38 | kergoth | in which case you'd have to use the snapshots :) |
| 17:35.49 | chouimat | kergoth: i know it's for my internal use :) |
| 17:35.56 | kergoth | k |
| 17:36.28 | chouimat | kergoth: bitkeeper licence is stupid IMHO |
| 17:36.59 | kergoth | well, i dont much like it, but i see why they do it |
| 17:38.00 | chouimat | kergoth: me too but larry is quite pissed off about bitbucket in lkml |
| 17:38.05 | mallum | kergoth: stupid glib barfs thinking its being x-compiled when its not |
| 17:38.21 | kergoth | mallum: glib2 for x86? or glib2? or glib? |
| 17:38.27 | kergoth | ;) |
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| 17:40.06 | mallum | kergoth: glib 1.2 via pkgconfig for build system |
| 17:40.14 | kergoth | odd |
| 17:40.16 | hardwire | hi |
| 17:40.20 | hardwire | I am new here |
| 17:40.25 | hardwire | can somebody direct me to the bathroom |
| 17:40.44 | kergoth | s/sents/sends/ |
| 17:40.46 | hardwire | danke danke |
| 17:40.54 | kergoth | mallum: umn |
| 17:40.55 | hardwire | so gimme more infos on ooold openembedded |
| 17:41.04 | kergoth | mallum: there is no seperate glib 1.2 build for the build system |
| 17:41.09 | hardwire | openzaurus just poood all over the place for making an x86 distro |
| 17:41.19 | kergoth | hardwire: well, we need detail about that pooo |
| 17:41.24 | hardwire | ok |
| 17:41.44 | hardwire | where shall the poo be sent? |
| 17:41.56 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 17:42.00 | | i guess kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 17:42.11 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 17:42.14 | hardwire | _ |
| 17:42.17 | hardwire | ^ |
| 17:42.22 | hardwire | augh |
| 17:42.24 | hardwire | ^ ^ |
| 17:42.26 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.29 | hardwire | its a dog! |
| 17:42.31 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I dont know whats going on, it seems to be trying to build glib1.2 via pkgconfig - but I though pkgconfig didn't have any deps |
| 17:42.50 | kergoth | mallum: ohh, pkgconfig's local copy of glib? |
| 17:42.55 | kergoth | mallum: i almost forgot about that |
| 17:43.21 | kergoth | hm, wonder if we really should be setting --target=$(SYS) on the pkgconfig build |
| 17:43.24 | kergoth | probably not. |
| 17:43.38 | kergoth | libtool we have to, as it hardcodes CC and associated paths in the binary (stupid POS) |
| 17:43.50 | kergoth | mallum: try removing the --target=$(SYS) from the configure line |
| 17:44.30 | mallum | kergoth: I think target is 386 whilst this machine is 686, but that should make any difference :( |
| 17:44.48 | hardwire | the poo detail is out for delivery |
| 17:44.52 | kergoth | mallum: doesnt matter |
| 17:45.04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:45.08 | kergoth | shouldnt, anyway |
| 17:45.09 | kergoth | odd |
| 17:45.25 | kergoth | mallum: email me the build log |
| 17:48.13 | mallum | kergoth: okie will do |
| 17:49.10 | HCl | hmm |
| 17:49.21 | HCl | where does OZ store its list with packages on unstable and testing etc servers |
| 17:49.41 | noda | WOO! I understand something! :) |
| 17:49.55 | noda | Just made the "oe" logo path much simpler :) |
| 17:50.04 | noda | The orange of the 'e' that is. I'll do the others :) |
| 17:50.48 | noda | Sweetness :) |
| 17:51.31 | kergoth | hardwire: fixing, now. |
| 17:51.44 | hardwire | interesting |
| 17:51.49 | HCl | nm, found it |
| 17:51.57 | hardwire | cause I am hoping to put OpenZaurus/Embedded into my balloon computer |
| 17:52.01 | noda | Done :) |
| 17:52.35 | noda | svg rocks! |
| 17:52.38 | noda | Ah well, class time. |
| 17:53.09 | noda | kergoth: Hey, do you think JasonNJ could get the font that's being used for the logo? :) |
| 17:53.15 | noda | ...or would that be illegal... |
| 17:53.21 | noda | Ah well, will ask later. Am quite late :) |
| 17:53.32 | treke | kergoth: I do depend on libc6 |
| 17:54.21 | kergoth | treke: not anymore you dont :) that wouldnt cause it though. i'll look into it later |
| 17:56.08 | Twiun | kergoth: out of curiosity, can all aspects of the Z's apm be controlled from messing with /proc ? |
| 17:56.46 | mallum | kergoth: check your mail |
| 17:56.47 | kergoth | Twiun: its nothing Z specific. apm is apm. i dont know what about apm can be manipulated via proc. |
| 17:58.20 | Twiun | kergoth: right, so the apm executable is pretty much the only non-programmatic way of interacting with that in linux? |
| 18:00.51 | icefox | http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/extracts/coincidence.html |
| 18:00.55 | icefox | Read the first paragraph |
| 18:00.56 | icefox | hahahahaha |
| 18:02.15 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.21 | icefox | ^ from the same page |
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| 18:04.28 | mallum | kergoth: if I remove that --cachefile switch from configure it works |
| 18:05.00 | mallum | kergoth: but I dont know how that gets there, its not in the packages Makefile |
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| 18:05.29 | kergoth | mallum: hm |
| 18:06.38 | kergoth | hardwire: bk pull; make |
| 18:06.56 | hardwire | err |
| 18:06.58 | hardwire | that was not outloud |
| 18:07.18 | hardwire | kergoth how do I unedit some files? |
| 18:07.22 | kergoth | bk unedit filename |
| 18:07.27 | hardwire | fucking ah |
| 18:07.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth | hardwire: added a makefile function for installing the config.cache based on the CROSS var |
| 18:07.49 | kergoth | hardwire: so it wont be installing ARM results anymore :) |
| 18:08.04 | kergoth | fixed the hardcoded CC ref for zlib1g and sqlite |
| 18:08.08 | kergoth | python is mickeyl's forte |
| 18:08.33 | hardwire | what about making _arm_ipks |
| 18:08.39 | hardwire | _arm.ipk |
| 18:08.42 | hardwire | lots of those are hard coded |
| 18:11.24 | kergoth | pushing that fix now |
| 18:11.32 | treke | hrrrrmmm. |
| 18:11.34 | kergoth | just needed the ipk build to use $(ARCH) for the ipk Architecture filed |
| 18:11.35 | kergoth | field |
| 18:11.46 | treke | new computer time :) |
| 18:11.46 | kergoth | oh shit |
| 18:11.48 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 18:11.53 | kergoth | I havent done my taxes this year yet! |
| 18:11.57 | HCl | heh |
| 18:11.58 | treke | hehe |
| 18:12.32 | hardwire | taxes are for commies |
| 18:12.47 | kergoth | ~fishslap hardwire |
| 18:12.48 | | ACTION slaps hardwire up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:12.52 | hardwire | doh |
| 18:13.37 | treke | dual Athlon MP 2600s. mmmmh |
| 18:14.30 | kergoth | bastards and your 'having money' |
| 18:14.32 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:15.02 | hardwire | heheh |
| 18:16.36 | treke | hehe |
| 18:16.42 | hardwire | kergoth what say ye about the staging install of python/Makefile |
| 18:16.45 | kergoth | hardwire: bk pull |
| 18:16.47 | hardwire | stamp-staginginstall |
| 18:16.48 | treke | only because I forgot I had it :) |
| 18:16.50 | kergoth | I say we wait for mickeyl |
| 18:16.56 | kergoth | disable python for now |
| 18:16.59 | hardwire | nooo! |
| 18:17.04 | kergoth | yessss! |
| 18:17.05 | hardwire | I needs that python for my nutrients! |
| 18:17.07 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: ping |
| 18:17.32 | kergoth | dood, the sun is in the buildroot? |
| 18:17.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:17.40 | hardwire | yes |
| 18:17.44 | hardwire | I added it |
| 18:17.48 | treke | make SUBDIRS=packages/life |
| 18:18.22 | kergoth | hm, should upgrade to 0.9.7 openssl |
| 18:18.40 | kergoth | fuck it, that'll wait till final |
| 18:18.56 | mallum | kergoth: I just did a fresh checkout ... now I getting even wierder errors from pkgconfig :( |
| 18:19.11 | hardwire | I keep running it as sudo |
| 18:19.12 | hardwire | grr |
| 18:19.26 | kergoth | sudo? nooooo |
| 18:19.26 | mallum | kergoth: checking host system type... ./config.guess: line 879: ./dummy-4415: cannot execute binary file |
| 18:19.26 | mallum | ./config.guess: line 1240: ./dummy-4415: cannot execute binary file |
| 18:19.26 | mallum | ./config.guess: unable to guess system type |
| 18:19.29 | kergoth | no sudo, no fakeroot |
| 18:19.37 | kergoth | buildroot need not pretend to be root |
| 18:19.41 | hardwire | I know |
| 18:19.41 | bipolar | kergoth: I've got one completely sucsessful upgrade to my feed, and one nondiscript failure. :\ |
| 18:19.51 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah i saw that |
| 18:19.53 | hardwire | but its too late now! |
| 18:20.09 | kergoth | hardwire: chown -R hardwire.users *; chmod ug=rwX *; |
| 18:20.12 | kergoth | hardwire: heh! |
| 18:23.10 | hardwire | when doez OZ get its name changed? |
| 18:23.13 | Twiun | urgh. Pricing and estimating contracts is boring |
| 18:23.42 | Twiun | anyone used the/an OSGi framework before? |
| 18:23.49 | kergoth | hardwire: never, technically. |
| 18:24.12 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:24.17 | hardwire | when does OE fork off? |
| 18:24.39 | kergoth | OE exists right now |
| 18:24.48 | hardwire | where? |
| 18:24.56 | kergoth | We're pulling OE logos into our images and site asap |
| 18:25.02 | hardwire | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/build/uClibc-0.9.18' |
| 18:25.02 | hardwire | /bin/sh: line 1: arm-linux-gcc: command not found |
| 18:25.11 | kergoth | hardwire: uclibc doenst build. |
| 18:25.15 | kergoth | hardwire: for any arch, yet |
| 18:25.15 | hardwire | augh |
| 18:25.18 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:25.24 | kergoth | feel free to fix it |
| 18:25.34 | mallum | kergoth: is oz copying in this config.cache from somewhere ? |
| 18:25.42 | kergoth | technically the current buildroot is the current incarnation of the OE infrastructure |
| 18:25.49 | kergoth | mallum: only if package/sblah/Makefile calls $(installcache) |
| 18:25.59 | kergoth | mallum: and only then, if ARCH=$(BUILDARCH) |
| 18:26.06 | kergoth | er, only if ARCH=arm |
| 18:26.07 | kergoth | i mean |
| 18:26.25 | hardwire | how do I disable uClib |
| 18:26.28 | kergoth | hardwire: it isnt the default. |
| 18:26.39 | kergoth | hardwire: i think you need to bk pull. |
| 18:26.43 | hardwire | I did that |
| 18:26.46 | hardwire | I have a fresh clone dude |
| 18:26.51 | hardwire | like 5 minutes stale |
| 18:26.53 | kergoth | rm .config |
| 18:26.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26.58 | JasonNJ | sup hardwire |
| 18:27.00 | hardwire | ( ) none |
| 18:27.03 | kergoth | rm .config. |
| 18:27.05 | hardwire | (X) micro libc edition |
| 18:27.08 | kergoth | rm .config. |
| 18:27.08 | hardwire | welcome to my choices |
| 18:27.13 | hardwire | hi JasonNJ |
| 18:27.23 | mallum | kergoth: no, its not there, I wonder wtf is going on :( |
| 18:27.35 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 18:28.00 | JasonNJ | man that new Sony looks a hell of a lot like a Z |
| 18:28.11 | JasonNJ | http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/3239.html |
| 18:28.16 | mallum | kergoth: did my log make any sense ? |
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| 18:29.25 | james_lan | kergoth: nice title |
| 18:30.03 | hardwire | kergoth: I only have the option to use micro libc stuffins |
| 18:30.12 | hardwire | as soon as I go to none.. of course most all packages are not available |
| 18:30.21 | hardwire | should glib be in here anywhere? |
| 18:30.25 | hardwire | glibc |
| 18:30.33 | JasonNJ | the only thing that sucks about these sony units is they are way anemic, memory wise |
| 18:30.38 | james_lan | kergoth isn't on, noticed that right after I hit enter |
| 18:30.47 | james_lan | which sony units? |
| 18:30.59 | JasonNJ | the new batch of clie's |
| 18:31.05 | JasonNJ | all these new Palm OS 5 units |
| 18:31.07 | hardwire | james_lan: kergoth isn't on? |
| 18:31.12 | james_lan | NV70X ro whatever |
| 18:31.24 | james_lan | s/ro/or |
| 18:32.19 | james_lan | oops, not as mod, used to seing him there (my ID is now 10T) |
| 18:33.09 | kergoth | hardwire: you dont see glibc because KERNEL isnt defined. KERNEL isnt defined because you're supplying it a .config with it not defined. |
| 18:33.12 | james_lan | I was looking at a "Handheld computing" magazine of some sort, and everything it was talking about, I either had on my Z or could do on my Z |
| 18:33.19 | kergoth | hardwire: once _again_, rm .config. |
| 18:33.23 | kergoth | hardwire: and go enable a kernel |
| 18:33.24 | hardwire | fucking woo |
| 18:33.29 | hardwire | once again.. I can't enable an x86 kernel |
| 18:33.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 18:33.42 | kergoth | I already told you, it wouldnt work without adding an x86 kernel |
| 18:33.48 | kergoth | we already had this fucking conversation |
| 18:33.53 | hardwire | no we didn't |
| 18:33.59 | hardwire | and if we did.. I wasn't looking ;) |
| 18:34.03 | kergoth | You werent looking. |
| 18:34.07 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:34.14 | kergoth | glibc will not build without a set of kernel headers to obtain |
| 18:34.18 | hardwire | so there is no way to make an x86 OZ system now |
| 18:34.19 | kergoth | either add explicit native build handling |
| 18:34.23 | kergoth | or add a x86 kernel |
| 18:34.41 | *** topic/#openembedded by chouimat|away -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less! (tm) | http://openzaurus.org/ | http://openembedded.org/|| CAUTION: kergoth is in BOFH mode today |
| 18:34.43 | kergoth | as i told you in #zaurus, its ready to roll once you add a x86 kernel. |
| 18:34.53 | hardwire | I don't remember this conversation |
| 18:34.55 | hardwire | so give me a break for a bit |
| 18:35.14 | chouimat|away | hardwire: I think he's in BOFH mode |
| 18:35.27 | hardwire | chouimat|away: its all good |
| 18:35.27 | kergoth | chouimat|away: when am I not? |
| 18:35.31 | james_lan | I was wondering, if the package management system was decided/being worked on, as I have been busy as of late, and the wiki just seems to have ideas. |
| 18:35.40 | kergoth | james_lan: jamey and others are working on ipkg. |
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| 18:35.58 | chouimat|away | kergoth: ok I must get my self ready for the boring afternoon |
| 18:36.06 | JasonNJ | hardwire: as long as you arent stinky, Kergoth might enjoy it |
| 18:36.25 | james_lan | know of any documentation on what they are doing? |
| 18:36.47 | Laze | Where does the new rc3 mount the SD cards or does it need something special to make it work? |
| 18:36.58 | hardwire | kergoth: adding x86 headers would be done how? |
| 18:37.09 | hardwire | I am totally not familiar with the process of how this buildsystem works still |
| 18:37.15 | chouimat|away | kergoth: just finished ready the toshiba doc : BORING |
| 18:37.29 | hardwire | I usually just want one thing ;) and every time I want that one thing I need to learn the buildsystem all over again |
| 18:37.41 | bipolar | Laze: first, it's not really rc3.... 2nd, make sure the sd module got loaded. theres a bug there. |
| 18:38.01 | kergoth | add a kernel-x86, either to actually obtain and build a kernel, or to yank the kernel headers from /usr/include when CROSS is NULL |
| 18:38.13 | kergoth | hardwire: vi docs/* |
| 18:38.16 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:39.08 | hardwire | augh.. useless.. oz is hard to implement if you are not interested in developing it |
| 18:39.11 | james_lan | hmmm, can't get to openzaurus.org or openembedded.org (they down or my connection people just being PITAs, again?) |
| 18:39.31 | kergoth | hardwire: only if you're working outside of its existing capability |
| 18:39.35 | kergoth | hardwire: which you are, as i said earlier |
| 18:39.37 | hardwire | yes |
| 18:39.40 | TheMasterMind1 | works for me |
| 18:39.48 | hardwire | so lemme ask..is anybody interested in helping? |
| 18:39.57 | hardwire | I got my plate full right now as do most of you |
| 18:40.23 | james_lan | pita, now it works |
| 18:40.46 | Laze | bipolar: How do i check if its running, whats the task/module name? |
| 18:40.58 | kergoth | I do not have the time to add x86 build support at the moment, I'm working to get rc3 out the door |
| 18:41.11 | hardwire | anybody else? |
| 18:41.12 | kergoth | Laze: sharp_mmcsd_m or something |
| 18:41.22 | bipolar | Laze: lsmod | grep sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 18:42.02 | bipolar | kergoth: is /etc/init.d/sd supposed to load that module? |
| 18:42.07 | kergoth | hmm, so sd isnt starting, the lack of messages is confusing people, what else |
| 18:42.11 | kergoth | bipolar: yes. |
| 18:42.17 | kergoth | iirc anyway |
| 18:43.01 | bipolar | kergoth: ok. the script does not load it but otherwise seems to work.... |
| 18:43.03 | Laze | bipolar/kergoth: like the "lack" of output on boot, just make a "Please wait..." |
| 18:43.15 | kergoth | Laze: doing so is more complex than you think. |
| 18:43.27 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 18:43.53 | bipolar | # ./sd start |
| 18:43.53 | bipolar | Start SD services:modprobe: Nothing to load ??? |
| 18:43.54 | bipolar | Specify at least a module or a wildcard like \* |
| 18:44.04 | kergoth | probably a typo or something |
| 18:44.06 | bipolar | ah ah |
| 18:44.12 | bipolar | kergoth: found it! |
| 18:44.14 | kergoth | yep, typo |
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| 18:44.17 | kergoth | module vs sd_module |
| 18:44.20 | kergoth | fixing |
| 18:44.23 | bipolar | kergoth: yep :) |
| 18:44.38 | TheMasterMind1 | this is rc3 prerelease? |
| 18:44.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 18:44.55 | kergoth | bipolar: i'm flashing an image i just built now |
| 18:45.03 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 18:45.06 | kergoth | bipolar: minus opie, to focus on the base issues |
| 18:45.11 | bipolar | kergoth: ok, cool |
| 18:45.44 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull; make SUBDIRS=packages/sdmmc clean; make |
| 18:45.53 | Laze | sdmgr - made the SD work on my SL-5500 |
| 18:47.23 | kergoth | I'll add a please wait message as the first item in rcS |
| 18:47.45 | kergoth | echo "Please wait: booting..." > /dev/tty0 |
| 18:47.46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:48.01 | TheMasterMind1 | is it really slow booting now or something? |
| 18:48.05 | kergoth | no |
| 18:48.08 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:48.09 | kergoth | but boot messages are gone |
| 18:48.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok |
| 18:48.14 | kergoth | I fixed sysvinit's misbehavior |
| 18:48.25 | kergoth | if you use a debug kernel |
| 18:48.29 | kergoth | you'll see the boot messagese |
| 18:48.32 | hardwire | I like how the packages file definition redundancy flew away |
| 18:48.33 | hardwire | thats nice |
| 18:48.47 | kergoth | packages file definition redundancy? |
| 18:49.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:49.14 | hardwire | yessir |
| 18:49.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hardwire: anything new with gct? |
| 18:49.26 | hardwire | yes |
| 18:49.32 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 18:49.35 | hardwire | working on the graphical import filter |
| 18:49.41 | hardwire | kergoth.. I dunno how to splain |
| 18:50.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i think he's talking about packages/Makefile |
| 18:50.20 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:51.08 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 18:51.31 | hardwire | yes |
| 18:51.38 | hardwire | anyhoot.. added a 2.4.20 x86 kernel |
| 18:52.00 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 18:52.33 | TheMasterMind1 | who was working on oe-webpal |
| 18:52.43 | kergoth | eek |
| 18:52.48 | kergoth | reconfiguring packages didnt happen |
| 18:52.49 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 18:52.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: kenb |
| 18:52.59 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:53.22 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:53.24 | hardwire | can select kernel |
| 18:53.29 | hardwire | still lack ability to select libc6 |
| 18:53.32 | hardwire | cruft |
| 18:53.43 | kergoth | um |
| 18:53.49 | kergoth | i think busybox sed is b0rked |
| 18:53.52 | bipolar | quick fix for SD issue: cd /etc/init.d; mv sd sd.old; sed s/SD_MODULE/MODULE/ ./sd.old > sd; chmod +x sd |
| 18:54.01 | kergoth | hardwire: bk vi packages/kernel-common/config.in |
| 18:54.09 | kergoth | hardwire: add your new kernel to the depends of KERNEL |
| 18:54.23 | kergoth | hardwire: KERNEL is like a virtual package, only for the config system |
| 18:55.20 | hardwire | oooh |
| 18:55.20 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:56.04 | hardwire | the defconfig in kernel-2.4.20/ should work right |
| 18:56.11 | kergoth | bipolar: what busybox version is in those images of yours? |
| 18:56.14 | hardwire | it won't pull the config from packages/kernel/ right? |
| 18:56.30 | kergoth | it does what you tell it to do |
| 18:56.33 | kergoth | in your makefile |
| 18:56.35 | kergoth | thats it |
| 18:56.38 | hardwire | ook |
| 18:56.52 | bipolar | kergoth: let me see.... |
| 18:57.29 | hardwire | kergoth.. so packages/kernel/ isn't even a wrapper? you have to change that for like SH4 or dragonball as well? |
| 18:57.47 | kergoth | hardwire: there is no kernel template. right now they're all independent makefiles. |
| 18:57.56 | kergoth | hardwire: needless duplication, yes. |
| 18:58.00 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:58.03 | hardwire | thats what I needed to know |
| 18:58.14 | hardwire | so when you are testing out 2.4.19 or whatever you change this file around |
| 18:58.33 | hardwire | and it should basically match the 2.4.29/config.in + the kernel_debug part |
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| 18:58.42 | kergoth | s/this file/packages\/packages-2.4.19\/Makefile/; |
| 18:59.54 | hardwire | futz.. now I have two kernel options in menuconfig.. of the same thing |
| 18:59.54 | hardwire | heheh |
| 19:00.07 | bipolar | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2003.03.13-05:12+0000) |
| 19:00.57 | james_lan | see you later, tired of ansering A+ questions from a CS major (I'm an anthro major) |
| 19:02.20 | kergoth | bipolar: hm, I'm getting a sed syntax error in Reconfiguring packages |
| 19:02.26 | hardwire | oh augh |
| 19:02.34 | hardwire | just move kernel-2.4.20 to kernel |
| 19:02.35 | hardwire | ? |
| 19:02.36 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:03.20 | kergoth | hardwire: eh? no. create packages/kernel-2.4.20. edit it appropriately. (both config.in and Makefile). edit kernel-common/config.in to add KERNEL-2.4.20. edit packages/config.in to add the source of packages/kernel-2.4.20/config.in to the config system |
| 19:03.31 | kergoth | then make menuconfig, select the new kernel |
| 19:03.33 | kergoth | make |
| 19:03.48 | hardwire | ok |
| 19:03.49 | hardwire | I did that |
| 19:04.20 | hardwire | packages/kernel/config.in: |
| 19:04.22 | hardwire | config KERNEL-2.4.20 |
| 19:04.22 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.22 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.22 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.23 | hardwire | config KERNEL_DEBUG |
| 19:04.23 | kergoth | bipolar: you're absolutely certain pcmcia and opie and stuff starts in those images? |
| 19:04.27 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.28 | kergoth | uh |
| 19:04.29 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.31 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.33 | kergoth | packages/_kernel_? |
| 19:04.37 | hardwire | no |
| 19:04.42 | kergoth | oh, you're editing it in place instead of adding a new one? |
| 19:04.44 | kergoth | or.. |
| 19:04.50 | kergoth | here, do this |
| 19:04.51 | kergoth | its easier |
| 19:04.53 | hardwire | oh fuck |
| 19:04.56 | hardwire | kernel-common |
| 19:04.58 | kergoth | copy packages/kernel-c700/* instead of packages/kernel/* |
| 19:04.59 | kergoth | its cleaner |
| 19:05.00 | hardwire | no no |
| 19:05.02 | hardwire | I was mistaken |
| 19:05.09 | kergoth | k |
| 19:05.24 | kergoth | bipolar: busybox sed hates me |
| 19:06.23 | andersee | kergoth: mjn3 is looking at it now |
| 19:06.44 | kergoth | i'm backrev'ing to a known good versioni to confirm that it is indeed busybox sed |
| 19:06.48 | kergoth | and not something completely unrelated :) |
| 19:07.35 | hardwire | there we go |
| 19:08.08 | hardwire | finally |
| 19:10.16 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:10.22 | kergoth | andersee: nevermind, my problem :) |
| 19:11.08 | treke | 2yup |
| 19:11.31 | bipolar | kergoth: are there any more fixes before I build new packages? |
| 19:12.27 | kergoth | bipolar: almost certainly. let me hack a bit here |
| 19:12.36 | bipolar | kergoth: Ok :) |
| 19:14.22 | hardwire | hey kergoth: seems it want to go directly from ipkg building to glibc |
| 19:14.22 | kergoth | okay, added a please wait banner |
| 19:14.26 | hardwire | no kernel inbetween.. |
| 19:14.36 | kergoth | hardwire: ah, add youer new kernel to pkg.conf |
| 19:14.46 | kergoth | hardwire: *cough*as documented in docs/DEVEL*cough* |
| 19:15.19 | hardwire | augh |
| 19:15.21 | hardwire | reading |
| 19:16.11 | kergoth | bipolar: okay, sd problem should be fixed, packages problem should be fixed, please wait banner added.. |
| 19:16.19 | kergoth | bipolar: add timezones and shit to the image, and remove opie-login. |
| 19:16.29 | kergoth | bipolar: pushing my fixes now |
| 19:16.49 | bipolar | ok... I'll take this opertunity to restart X for KDE upgrades... :) |
| 19:16.53 | kergoth | k |
| 19:17.23 | hardwire | with some people directions are like wet spaghetti.. |
| 19:17.32 | hardwire | you can throw them on the ceiling and they will stick |
| 19:17.38 | hardwire | I am just a limp unsticky noodle ;( |
| 19:18.19 | ccamp | nyone ever used nessus in here? |
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| 19:19.36 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull and wipe & rebuild oz-base |
| 19:21.32 | TheMasterMind1 | whats a good def-config i can use |
| 19:21.35 | TheMasterMind1 | fairly recent |
| 19:21.44 | kergoth | collie-opie assuming a collie target and you want opie |
| 19:21.55 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
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| 19:23.32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you guys are gonna build an RC3 today? |
| 19:25.17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thats the plan. |
| 19:26.01 | kergoth | any volunteers to work the logos? |
| 19:26.08 | DaJoker | work the logos? |
| 19:26.23 | Laze | kergoth: your so cool.. I will be very interested in working with the logos.. |
| 19:26.28 | JasonNJ | with a 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 19:26.33 | kergoth | we need a small OE logo for sysinfo, a tweaked logo for the opie launcher background, and a boot logo with OpenZaurus script + powered_by_OE logo |
| 19:26.33 | JasonNJ | I didnt know you guys finished it |
| 19:26.42 | kergoth | 2.4.19 is pretty much done minus sdmmc |
| 19:26.45 | kergoth | but that wont be in this release |
| 19:26.54 | kergoth | it needs more testing amongst people other than the devs |
| 19:27.12 | victorvdl | kergoth: TS fixed in 2.4.19? |
| 19:27.28 | kergoth | victorvdl: 90% certain, havent had a chance to flash and test |
| 19:27.32 | kergoth | working on the rc3 atm |
| 19:27.40 | Laze | Kergoth: Sizes and depth on the logos? |
| 19:27.51 | victorvdl | kergoth: If it won't fry my Z, I'll test. Where can I grab it? |
| 19:28.05 | kergoth | Laze: dunno off the top of my head. you can look at the existing opie logos as a base |
| 19:28.19 | kergoth | hardwire: bootup logo is what, 240x320, but what colors? |
| 19:28.21 | JasonNJ | kergoth: the logos I gave you arent the correct resoluiton? |
| 19:28.35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: they're fine |
| 19:28.51 | kergoth | just need someone to make them appropriate for use |
| 19:28.54 | hardwire | kergoth: dunno ask scanline since he dithered it |
| 19:28.56 | JasonNJ | yeah, cause she gave us a ton of different resolutions and formats |
| 19:29.00 | kergoth | hardwire: oh, what font is OpenZaurus? |
| 19:29.05 | kergoth | hardwire: from our original bootlogo? |
| 19:29.09 | kergoth | that script |
| 19:29.12 | kergoth | scanline: you around? |
| 19:29.23 | hardwire | actually |
| 19:29.25 | hardwire | that is 16 bit |
| 19:29.25 | JasonNJ | the new logo should look pretty nice booting |
| 19:29.26 | scanline | it's 5-6-5 16-bit color |
| 19:29.34 | hardwire | where is the new logo? |
| 19:29.48 | kergoth | hold, let me upload them to openembedded.org |
| 19:29.52 | scanline | I actually used picogui to dither it, since it was handy and supports dithering to pretty much anything :) |
| 19:29.54 | JasonNJ | http://www.egullet.com/shared/oelogos.zip |
| 19:30.09 | bipolar | kergoth: should I be building dhcpcd or dhclient or does busybox have something like that built in? |
| 19:30.34 | kergoth | bipolar: busybox includes udhcpc. |
| 19:30.37 | kergoth | bipolar: as i said on the ML |
| 19:30.58 | victorvdl | kergoth: Is there somewhere I could grab 2.4.19 from? |
| 19:31.01 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/shirt.png |
| 19:31.04 | kergoth | victorvdl: not handy |
| 19:31.04 | hardwire | I am not sure what font it is |
| 19:31.10 | hardwire | but in the mean time you can scale off of this one |
| 19:31.11 | kergoth | hardwire: hrm |
| 19:31.13 | hardwire | just mask iot |
| 19:31.14 | kergoth | k |
| 19:31.15 | hardwire | it |
| 19:31.17 | bipolar | building...... |
| 19:31.19 | kergoth | Laze: you paying attention here? :) |
| 19:31.31 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/OE_files.tgz |
| 19:31.38 | scanline | hmmm |
| 19:31.39 | kergoth | includes noda's initial SVG as well |
| 19:31.43 | scanline | the color scheme on that logo is a bit... evil |
| 19:31.47 | Laze | kergoth: got it.. |
| 19:31.59 | kergoth | scanline: take a look at ken's.. |
| 19:31.59 | JasonNJ | scanline: we went though a lot of choices |
| 19:32.10 | scanline | kergoth: which one is that? |
| 19:32.15 | kergoth | scanline: http://ken.bantoft.org/oe/icon-blue-320x240.png |
| 19:32.24 | kergoth | scanline: what do you think of that? |
| 19:32.26 | JasonNJ | scanline: its a striking design and very unique |
| 19:32.39 | chouimat | re |
| 19:32.48 | scanline | kergoth: better, but still makes me think of something that runs in DOS with 16 colors, rather than a new exciting program |
| 19:32.56 | scanline | the design's alright, but I hate the colors :) |
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| 19:33.04 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:33.13 | JasonNJ | scanline: logos have to be simple and recognizeable |
| 19:33.18 | JasonNJ | otherwise, theres little value to a logo |
| 19:33.22 | scanline | right |
| 19:33.28 | scanline | but you need to control what it's recognizable as |
| 19:33.28 | noda | JasonNJ: Ooh, just the person I wanted to talk to! :) |
| 19:33.30 | kergoth | we dont want a lot of complexity |
| 19:33.36 | chouimat | hi noda |
| 19:33.41 | kergoth | two colors or similar is clean, recognizable |
| 19:33.41 | scanline | I'm not saying you should make it more complex, just that the colors are evil |
| 19:33.51 | kergoth | well show me some better versions |
| 19:33.55 | JasonNJ | scanline: we went through a lot of iterations |
| 19:33.57 | chouimat | scanline: green and orange? |
| 19:33.58 | noda | JasonNJ: Is there any chance of my getting the font for the OE logo? I'm doing an SVG format, I think there's a way to embed the font in there. It'd be much simpler than putting in all the vector paths. |
| 19:33.59 | kergoth | I'm open to discussion on the color scheme |
| 19:34.09 | JasonNJ | http://www.slyfoxdesign.net/perlow/OE/OE.htm |
| 19:34.11 | scanline | IMHO it's hard to do anything interesting with two solid colors |
| 19:34.29 | scanline | they have to be very bold and annoying to be visible, and then you've got a bold and annoying logo |
| 19:34.31 | chouimat | scanline: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/logo-mc.png |
| 19:34.39 | scanline | maybe put a black border around the edge, and use some softer colors |
| 19:34.40 | JasonNJ | out of all those choices we thought 13 was the most distinctive |
| 19:34.50 | kergoth | bleh, blue+red .. ick |
| 19:34.54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:35.08 | JasonNJ | we also have to be sure that the colors we chose are not used by other companies doing similar products |
| 19:35.15 | kergoth | noda: fyi, your svg from earlier is in the OE_files tarball on openembedded.org, feel free to update it |
| 19:35.27 | JasonNJ | and that they stand out on various mediums, not just video |
| 19:35.28 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull, wipe and rebuild oz-base again |
| 19:35.32 | Neo|Work | this might give you some needed comical relief: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/03/uruk-hai.html |
| 19:35.34 | chouimat | I definitly prefer 8 |
| 19:35.34 | noda | kergoth: Will do that, I'm rewriting the paths to use ellipses instead of bezier curves :) |
| 19:35.43 | kergoth | noda: ah, cool |
| 19:35.48 | noda | More precise :) |
| 19:35.58 | JasonNJ | the thing is that logo designs and company branding is a very time consuming and expensive process. |
| 19:36.02 | JasonNJ | what we have is good to start. |
| 19:36.22 | hardwire | I can help with redoing logos.. |
| 19:36.24 | hardwire | if you want it |
| 19:36.26 | JasonNJ | hiring a branding/marketing team to come up with better logos is going to be a big deal |
| 19:36.32 | noda | I'm not sure about the colours, but I think the logo is BEAUTIFUL. |
| 19:36.36 | hardwire | its just fucking pingi is a bitch to retrace |
| 19:36.41 | kergoth | I like the OE logo. its color scheme I'm open on |
| 19:36.45 | JasonNJ | hardwire: this logo was designed by a former designer at Apple |
| 19:36.51 | Laze | Does anyone have a good front picture of the Zaurus? |
| 19:36.53 | kergoth | it needs to be bold, and striking. youthful. |
| 19:37.00 | hardwire | JasonNJ: whom might that be? |
| 19:37.03 | JasonNJ | the colors I am not married to, but the design is very, very distinctive |
| 19:37.03 | kergoth | clean, clear lines |
| 19:37.16 | noda | lol, we all agree the fish is cool :) |
| 19:37.18 | JasonNJ | Hardwire: Fredlet Golden |
| 19:37.26 | noda | Hey, what about gradients? |
| 19:37.28 | JasonNJ | she's done a lot of artwork for me in the past |
| 19:37.29 | hardwire | oh I thought it might be someone in here |
| 19:37.37 | JasonNJ | she was also a designer at macromedia |
| 19:37.44 | hardwire | nice :) |
| 19:37.50 | JasonNJ | she's good at coming up with clean, efficient designs |
| 19:37.50 | hardwire | it is kidna odd however |
| 19:38.04 | JasonNJ | yeah, but its recognizable |
| 19:38.06 | hardwire | might just be the colors fucking with me |
| 19:38.12 | JasonNJ | think about the Red Hat and Apple logos |
| 19:38.25 | hardwire | mind if I play a bit? |
| 19:38.30 | JasonNJ | and the palm logos |
| 19:38.45 | JasonNJ | hardwire: grab the source files, you can change them |
| 19:38.52 | hardwire | ok |
| 19:38.56 | hardwire | I was just gonna gimp some protos |
| 19:39.04 | JasonNJ | and then think about linux companies with SHITTY logos |
| 19:39.06 | chouimat | I like 8 more than the green/orange cartoon color |
| 19:39.22 | JasonNJ | I mean, is Lineo's logo distinctive? Or bluecat? or lynuxworks? |
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| 19:39.51 | JasonNJ | chou: 8 is too light |
| 19:39.56 | JasonNJ | doesnt show up well |
| 19:40.00 | JasonNJ | 13 does show up very well |
| 19:40.00 | noda | JasonNJ: I can't remember any of them off the top of my head ;) |
| 19:40.06 | scanline | light is better than something that melts your retina |
| 19:40.07 | chouimat | JasonNJ: maybe with black contour line |
| 19:40.23 | chouimat | scanline: agreed |
| 19:40.37 | hardwire | kergoth; the font is not on this machine ;( |
| 19:40.50 | hardwire | probably on the machine that crashed with my drawings of pingi |
| 19:40.58 | noda | Wow... I didn't realize the "e" circle is an ellipse and not a circle... |
| 19:41.10 | kergoth | hardwire: ahh |
| 19:41.21 | scanline | try using #7884C9 and #C8CC57.. it's still not good, but IMHO it's better |
| 19:41.22 | noda | ...oh, that's because it is a circle :) |
| 19:41.49 | scanline | but I think a black border would do it the most good |
| 19:41.56 | scanline | emphasize the shape, because it's good |
| 19:42.35 | scanline | #8 with a less eye-peeling red and some black borders would be neat |
| 19:43.03 | hardwire | I would have gone more into graphics arts as a career.. but around here atleast the prereq is you have to be a complete prick.. |
| 19:43.12 | hardwire | that ain't me y0. |
| 19:43.27 | hardwire | that and it helps to know how to spell |
| 19:43.29 | JasonNJ | just remember this has to be reproduced on stationary, business cards, large signs, tee shirts, as well as onscreen |
| 19:43.42 | hardwire | I like the new pg logo |
| 19:43.50 | hardwire | its a little too pastel.. but digable |
| 19:44.14 | hardwire | JasonNJ: prototypes don't need to go onto shirts :) |
| 19:44.38 | kergoth | hardwire: I think his point is, we need to throw out prototypes that cant go on shirts. |
| 19:44.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44.52 | hardwire | kergoth: I know the point.. but yeah |
| 19:44.54 | kergoth | bipolar: hey fun, my Z doesnt boot anymore |
| 19:45.16 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:45.29 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/OE8-test.jpg :) |
| 19:45.54 | JasonNJ | good god |
| 19:46.06 | chouimat | was just playing with gimp |
| 19:46.09 | scanline | hmm... it's bad, but hard to say whether it can be worse than the original ;) |
| 19:46.19 | kergoth | its worse. |
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| 19:47.04 | victorvdl | much worse. |
| 19:47.14 | scanline | it looks worse, but my eyeballs don't ache as much |
| 19:47.59 | JasonNJ | scanline: the current logo looks awesome on LCD |
| 19:48.09 | scanline | #13? |
| 19:48.12 | JasonNJ | if you have a shitty monitor, it could very well look like crap |
| 19:48.14 | JasonNJ | yes 13 |
| 19:48.37 | scanline | I have a pretty decent monitor... and doesn't it go against your logo-for-anywhere mandate that it would look bad on cheapo monitors? |
| 19:49.08 | JasonNJ | we know it looks good on the Zaurus itself |
| 19:49.12 | JasonNJ | and in print |
| 19:49.18 | scanline | for some values of good |
| 19:49.32 | JasonNJ | so fucking come up with a better one |
| 19:50.13 | JasonNJ | plenty of companies go thru half a dozen revisions of a logo in its first few years of operation |
| 19:50.24 | kergoth | i've taken a liking to kenb's colors. still bold, youthful, but less eye strain |
| 19:50.26 | JasonNJ | apple has gone though at least 4, microsoft at least 5 |
| 19:50.27 | scanline | I might try later. At the moment I have homework to do |
| 19:51.06 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/logo-test.jpg |
| 19:51.28 | JasonNJ | ugh |
| 19:51.28 | kergoth | chouimat: you are a sick fuck, you know that? |
| 19:51.45 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:52.14 | JasonNJ | we need high contrast colors and we have to be within the limitations of what you can do in print |
| 19:52.28 | kergoth | goddamnit OZ, boot! |
| 19:53.03 | JasonNJ | kergoth: does the 5600 or C700 boot yet? |
| 19:53.15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: my c700 is running OZ right now |
| 19:53.23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: even opie, but the keyboard support isnt done yet |
| 19:53.32 | JasonNJ | cool |
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| 19:53.56 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I won't touch the logo anymore ... but I don't want the green/orange thing (those color make me sick) |
| 19:54.19 | scanline | kergoth: I'll take a crack at a new logo tonight after my numerical computing homework and my midterm... |
| 19:54.23 | kergoth | scanline: cool, thanks |
| 19:54.32 | kergoth | in the meantime, i'll hack on improvements for rc3 |
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| 19:54.58 | JasonNJ | scanline: dont change the design |
| 19:55.02 | JasonNJ | we DO like the design |
| 19:55.12 | scanline | I'll play around with it |
| 19:55.28 | scanline | I like the design, but there are some variations I'd like to try |
| 19:55.31 | mewyn | i got a question for anyone who is using a 2.5 kernel |
| 19:55.39 | kergoth | ask away |
| 19:55.49 | mewyn | what modutils you using? |
| 19:55.59 | kergoth | uh, you want module-init-tools, not modutils |
| 19:56.04 | kergoth | sudo apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 19:56.12 | kergoth | the way modules work in 2.5 is completely different |
| 19:56.28 | mewyn | is that package backwards compatable with 2.4? |
| 19:56.32 | mewyn | that's what i thought |
| 19:56.44 | kergoth | yes, you dont lose the ability to work with 2.4 |
| 19:56.55 | chouimat | kergoth: that interview and the fact my ex-wife want to see me tonight is downing me a lot |
| 19:57.06 | kergoth | chouimat: heh, cant blame ya there.. |
| 19:57.06 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:57.15 | mewyn | kergoth: you don't happen to have a source url, i didn't do debian :) |
| 19:58.41 | noda | JasonNJ: Do you know if there's any way for us to get the font the OE logo uses? :) |
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| 20:01.28 | Laze | Kergoth: Just modelled it in 3dStdMax - and it looks great and nice easy shapes to work with.. |
| 20:02.14 | kergoth | hehe. thats cool. we dont need 3d yet, but good to know |
| 20:02.20 | kergoth | bleh, brb, food |
| 20:08.55 | noda | Woo! Defined the logo colours in CSS -- now they're damned easy to change :) |
| 20:10.40 | JasonNJ | Laze: the crescent shapes are unique |
| 20:11.02 | noda | Man, it'd be sweet if SVG were more popular... I could embed the SVG into the XHTML and make it follow the stylesheet :) |
| 20:11.08 | noda | JasonNJ: So, do you know what the font is? :) |
| 20:11.16 | JasonNJ | ask fredlet |
| 20:11.22 | chouimat|away | later guys |
| 20:11.25 | noda | JasonNJ: email? :) |
| 20:12.23 | JasonNJ | fred8let@dm.net |
| 20:12.30 | noda | JasonNJ: Thanks :) |
| 20:12.45 | JasonNJ | also fredlet@despammed.com |
| 20:14.58 | noda | mmm... the SVG I've done has beautiful, legible ellipses. Whee, SVG rocks! :) |
| 20:15.21 | kergoth | noda: nice |
| 20:15.32 | kergoth | THIS, is my BOOMSTICK! |
| 20:15.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15.35 | mewyn | sweet |
| 20:15.42 | mewyn | boomstick! |
| 20:15.53 | mewyn | bbiab... i hope :) |
| 20:16.47 | yeiazel | noda: do you have some URL to show that ? |
| 20:17.06 | yeiazel | is SVG supported by IE by default ? |
| 20:17.16 | noda | yeiazel: No, it's not. But there's a plugin... |
| 20:17.22 | yeiazel | okay |
| 20:17.25 | noda | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/OE_logo_byhand.svg |
| 20:17.46 | yeiazel | ... why does galeon display the source code !? |
| 20:17.47 | icefox | What editor are you using to make the svg icon? |
| 20:17.50 | noda | I don't know where to get the plugin, search for "svg implementations" and follow the first link |
| 20:17.53 | noda | icefox: vim |
| 20:17.57 | noda | icefox: The only true editor :) |
| 20:17.59 | icefox | ah ok |
| 20:18.04 | noda | :P |
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| 20:18.07 | yeiazel | noda: IE was not for me, just to know :) |
| 20:18.11 | yeiazel | noda: vim rocks |
| 20:18.12 | noda | yeiazel: Oh, phew :) |
| 20:18.23 | Twiun | noda: Adobe makes a plugin |
| 20:18.26 | noda | Though the original conversion was done by Illustrator. The fonts have lots of icky curve data. |
| 20:18.44 | noda | Adobe's svg output was hideous :) |
| 20:18.59 | noda | The ellipses were bezier curves :) |
| 20:19.15 | JasonNJ | viewer doesnt seem to work in ie |
| 20:19.34 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I've got the adobe plugin+ie5.5, works great |
| 20:19.45 | yeiazel | do I need some plugin/lib to make gecko support svg ? |
| 20:19.46 | Twiun | haven't tried noda's svg file in it yet though |
| 20:19.52 | noda | yeiazel: You need it compiled with svg support |
| 20:20.03 | noda | Twiun: http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/OE_logo_byhand.svg |
| 20:20.06 | scanline | sodipodi... |
| 20:20.16 | yeiazel | shit |
| 20:20.33 | yeiazel | and why isn't the fucking debian package compiled with svg support ? |
| 20:20.38 | yeiazel | that really sucks |
| 20:20.38 | noda | Actually, it's not actually following spec now, some lines are longer than 256 chars. |
| 20:20.49 | noda | yeiazel: Open it in sodipodi or nautilus or konqueror |
| 20:21.05 | yeiazel | I have none of them :) |
| 20:21.08 | Twiun | scanline: sodipodi doesn't support animated svg stuff |
| 20:21.21 | scanline | oh god, no animated E |
| 20:21.23 | noda | yeiazel: apt-get install sodipodi |
| 20:21.26 | scanline | err, no animated OE logos :P |
| 20:21.28 | noda | lol, no animation! |
| 20:21.34 | noda | Though... hrm, it COULD be pretty neat... |
| 20:21.38 | yeiazel | noda: that's what I'm doing :) |
| 20:21.56 | Twiun | hehe |
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| 20:23.22 | yeiazel | not so bad... |
| 20:23.24 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 20:23.29 | noda | Dessimat0r: Moo |
| 20:23.31 | Dessimat0r | BOFH mode? |
| 20:24.28 | Dessimat0r | Argh, can't fucking install Gentoo at all atm, using the RC3 liveCD |
| 20:25.23 | Dessimat0r | its so messed up, I've been trying for 3 days straight to install it, it keeps losing the path to libstdc++.so.5, or something |
| 20:25.46 | Dessimat0r | then portage dosen't work, and that makes you essentially buggered |
| 20:25.51 | JasonNJ | I've tried 2 viewers and they dont work |
| 20:26.06 | JasonNJ | the adobe one doesnt seem to like ie 6 |
| 20:26.28 | noda | JasonNJ: Weird, I'll run it through validator. |
| 20:26.51 | Laze | Kergoth: Should the please wait be on the boot logo? |
| 20:27.34 | noda | Damn, validator doesn't validate svg :( |
| 20:28.00 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:28.29 | Dessimat0r | w00t, an update to openzaurus |
| 20:29.37 | JasonNJ | noda, did you just yank the file? |
| 20:29.58 | noda | JasonNJ: Um... maybe by mistake. Yeah, I think I did, meant to copy. Oh well.. |
| 20:30.05 | noda | New url: http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/logo.svg |
| 20:30.31 | JasonNJ | lol. mozilla with SVG extensions errors out too |
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| 20:30.48 | mewyn | ok |
| 20:30.49 | scanline | mozilla's SVG support is buggy |
| 20:30.50 | mewyn | it's running |
| 20:30.52 | mewyn | sorta |
| 20:30.54 | JasonNJ | oh wait |
| 20:31.06 | noda | Bah, sodipodi can't handle stylesheets :( |
| 20:31.21 | mewyn | scanline: how buggy? |
| 20:31.51 | Twiun | noda: what mimetype is your server throwing out? |
| 20:31.52 | scanline | mewyn: in my version at least (gentoo ebuild) there are bugs in the rasterization that usually either produce garbage or segfault |
| 20:31.53 | JasonNJ | damn mozilla is just showing the actual code |
| 20:32.00 | mewyn | ick |
| 20:32.00 | noda | Twiun: text/plain |
| 20:32.08 | noda | That could be the problem... |
| 20:32.13 | Twiun | no kidding :) |
| 20:32.19 | mewyn | and i wanted to try using SVG for my webmail scripts |
| 20:32.19 | noda | What SHOULD it be? :) |
| 20:32.20 | Twiun | you want image/svg+xml |
| 20:32.25 | noda | Okay :) |
| 20:32.39 | Neo|Work | svg+xml? wtf? :P |
| 20:32.47 | Twiun | noda: I'm trying the xsmiles browser, spiffy |
| 20:32.53 | Dessimat0r | If only I could get Gentoo up and running again... However, it appears to be impossible :/ |
| 20:33.00 | Twiun | Neo|Work: straight from Adobe's faq |
| 20:33.32 | Neo|Work | Twiun: I didn't question the validity, just found it funny that they used + rather than more standard - |
| 20:33.39 | noda | Twiun: Refresh. |
| 20:33.52 | Twiun | noda: still text/plain |
| 20:33.56 | noda | Erm. Maybe I have to restart the server :) |
| 20:34.02 | Twiun | that'd help too :) |
| 20:34.24 | noda | Try again? I think it's still text/plain |
| 20:34.38 | scanline | just segfaulted my galeon, so the content type was right |
| 20:34.46 | noda | lol |
| 20:34.59 | Twiun | hehe, still loading |
| 20:35.32 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 20:35.37 | Twiun | browser's not happy |
| 20:35.50 | scanline | shows up ok in IE with the SVG plugin |
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| 20:36.19 | mewyn | hrm |
| 20:36.20 | JasonNJ | ah, now it works |
| 20:36.23 | mewyn | ACPI isn't telling me battery status |
| 20:36.38 | noda | Great :) |
| 20:36.57 | Twiun | yay |
| 20:36.58 | Twiun | loaded |
| 20:37.08 | Twiun | took it 33s!??! |
| 20:37.30 | noda | Wow, weird. It's not even 6k |
| 20:37.36 | noda | Actually, gzipped it's 1200 bytes |
| 20:37.43 | Twiun | you must be doing some weird shit :) |
| 20:37.48 | JasonNJ | so that will allow you to manipulate the colors? |
| 20:37.49 | noda | None. Well, I do use CSS :) |
| 20:37.58 | noda | JasonNJ: Watch this... |
| 20:38.12 | Twiun | JasonNJ: you can even script it to some extent with the css |
| 20:38.12 | noda | Refresh |
| 20:38.40 | JasonNJ | nifty |
| 20:38.51 | noda | Yep, one character difference from before :) |
| 20:39.20 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:40.37 | noda | I sure hope this font is free... it'd be kind of a pain if it weren't. |
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| 20:46.54 | chouimat | re |
| 20:48.43 | treke | what font? |
| 20:48.52 | noda | treke: The one used in the logo |
| 20:48.54 | treke | if its reasonably priced I'm willing to buy it |
| 20:49.16 | noda | treke: But I'd rather it were free so we could use it for other things too... without any fear... |
| 20:49.28 | treke | what is the font? |
| 20:49.35 | noda | I don't know. I've sent an email to the designer. |
| 20:49.42 | treke | ah |
| 20:50.17 | noda | If it's not free, what can we do... well, I can convert the glyphs for "openembedded" to an svg font, but I'd be missing the rest of the characters :P |
| 20:50.28 | noda | And I don't know if it'd be legal or not to do even that :) |
| 20:59.25 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/oe2.png |
| 20:59.57 | noda | That's pretty sweet :) |
| 21:00.11 | hardwire | danke. |
| 21:00.25 | treke | hardwire: needs more breasts |
| 21:00.33 | hardwire | I do not.. I have plenty |
| 21:00.37 | hardwire | oooh |
| 21:00.38 | hardwire | : |
| 21:00.42 | hardwire | gotcha |
| 21:00.48 | chouimat | how to blow a job interview ... get there in jeans |
| 21:00.57 | hardwire | chouimat: or get in their jeans ;) |
| 21:01.21 | chouimat | hardwire: my suit pants are too small |
| 21:01.25 | kenb | the E looks like a Euro. |
| 21:01.37 | hardwire | Eurostyle Extended |
| 21:02.35 | treke | chouimat: thought that said "how to blow job interview" |
| 21:02.46 | noda | chouimat: Oh, did you see http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/logo.svg |
| 21:02.54 | chouimat | treke: pervert |
| 21:02.57 | noda | chouimat: 1260 bytes gzipped (3) |
| 21:03.12 | treke | chouimat: that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me |
| 21:04.11 | chouimat | don't work |
| 21:07.30 | noda | chouimat: Get an SVG viewer :) |
| 21:08.17 | hardwire | apt-get install display |
| 21:08.18 | hardwire | heh |
| 21:08.18 | hardwire | err |
| 21:08.20 | hardwire | imagemagick |
| 21:08.22 | hardwire | duuurhaay |
| 21:08.27 | noda | imagemagick does svg? |
| 21:08.39 | hardwire | yes |
| 21:08.41 | hardwire | even AA's it |
| 21:09.04 | noda | Woo. |
| 21:10.11 | chouimat | noda: not now I need to get out soon ... my ex-wife want to see me and I don't know the FUCKING reason |
| 21:10.22 | noda | chouimat: Ooh, interesting! |
| 21:10.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:10.33 | hardwire | emphisis on the FUCKING? |
| 21:10.38 | noda | lol |
| 21:10.49 | Dessimat0r | perhaps she wants to kill you - do you hate eachother? |
| 21:11.01 | chouimat | hardwire: didn't see her in 2 years so |
| 21:11.05 | hardwire | ah |
| 21:11.07 | hardwire | funky |
| 21:11.14 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:11.24 | hardwire | listening to radio head and watching libc6 compile is quite interesting |
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| 21:11.32 | chouimat | hardwire: maybe she want to give me back my things she left with |
| 21:11.38 | JasonNJ | chou: you got any kids? |
| 21:11.42 | hardwire | like all of your goddamn money! |
| 21:11.44 | hardwire | hehh |
| 21:11.45 | hardwire | I dunno |
| 21:11.46 | chouimat | JasonNJ: nope |
| 21:11.52 | Dessimat0r | don't you just love the amount of compiler warnings that stream past? ;) |
| 21:12.16 | chouimat | JasonNJ: but some days I wish I got one .... |
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| 21:12.46 | Neo|Work | chouimat: they are quite easy to make, but the order time is a drag |
| 21:12.51 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:13.08 | chouimat | Neo|Work: haha |
| 21:13.22 | chouimat | ok ... now I need to lose about 20 lbs |
| 21:14.02 | treke | Neo|Work: try asking your wife how easy they were to make :) |
| 21:14.05 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 21:16.09 | chouimat | treke: did you know that some people want to move the father's day 9 month before the mother's day? |
| 21:16.33 | Dessimat0r | haha |
| 21:17.12 | noda | kergoth: Could you please give the openzaurus group access to OE_files.tgz? |
| 21:17.36 | noda | ...and make it sticky :) |
| 21:17.51 | kergoth | ls |
| 21:17.53 | kergoth | er |
| 21:17.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:18.20 | chouimat|away | ok I have to go ... if I want to drink some beers before she get there |
| 21:18.29 | noda | Heh |
| 21:18.54 | bipolar | kergoth: bluez packages are broken in buildroot, ie. they won't build. I assume you already know. :) |
| 21:19.04 | kergoth | bipolar: dont tell me, tell treke. |
| 21:19.11 | noda | kergoth: Um, or delete it, that works too :) |
| 21:19.13 | kergoth | bipolar: i dont maintain every package in the buildroot. |
| 21:19.24 | kergoth | noda: its in openembedded's htdocs now. |
| 21:19.28 | Dessimat0r | it lives! its alive! ITS ALIVE! |
| 21:19.30 | bipolar | kergoth: ok... I'll nag treke |
| 21:19.31 | chouimat|away | noda: pensait tu vraiment que j'allais la rencontrer a jeun? |
| 21:19.35 | noda | kergoth: Oh :) |
| 21:19.36 | bipolar | ~nag treke |
| 21:19.38 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:19.57 | bipolar | ibot: wake up! |
| 21:19.58 | | i don't know, bipolar |
| 21:19.58 | noda | :) |
| 21:20.02 | kergoth | ~pester treke |
| 21:20.07 | | treke: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 21:20.24 | treke | bipolar: what doesnt build? |
| 21:20.59 | noda | There we go, new OE_files.tgz is up :) |
| 21:21.13 | bipolar | treke: the bluez packages. I'm in the middle of building rc3 packages right now, so I can't give you exact errors. |
| 21:21.26 | treke | bipolar: you have to build bluez-sdp first |
| 21:21.28 | chouimat|away | later guys |
| 21:21.38 | treke | for somereason the deps arent being followed. I'm trying to figure it out |
| 21:21.43 | bipolar | treke: yeah... but that won't build. |
| 21:21.57 | bipolar | treke: Unless you mean outside of the buildroot.... |
| 21:22.04 | treke | no inside the buildroot |
| 21:22.45 | bipolar | treke: Ok, I tried that. It can't find headers and libs. I'll give you exact errors as soon as this build is done... |
| 21:23.20 | treke | basically. bluez-libs, bluez-sdp, bluez-utils, bluez-pan |
| 21:23.42 | noda | Hrm, font is not free... |
| 21:23.48 | treke | bipolar: btw, wouldnt bother putting them in the feed until someone with a z gets working kernel modules |
| 21:23.51 | treke | noda: what font is it |
| 21:24.04 | noda | treke: "Liquorstore" |
| 21:24.15 | noda | I just don't know about the licensing, that's all... |
| 21:24.19 | treke | who makes it |
| 21:24.24 | noda | http://www.chank.com/font_detail.php?sku=5123 |
| 21:24.54 | Twiun | argh. |
| 21:25.21 | treke | its only 50 bucks |
| 21:25.33 | noda | I want to know if I can just use the svg vectors though... |
| 21:25.38 | chouimat|away | noda: liquorstore is nice bar in Quebec City |
| 21:25.53 | noda | chouimat|away: Heh, didn't know :) |
| 21:26.02 | noda | http://www.chank.com/faq.php |
| 21:26.19 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/boottest.png |
| 21:26.32 | noda | Ooooooooooh |
| 21:27.13 | billytwowilly | hardwire: that looks really nice. |
| 21:28.23 | hardwire | are you guys at all interested in this logo? |
| 21:29.30 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/hardwire-openembedded-logo1.tar.gz |
| 21:30.45 | noda | hardwire: You're a damned fast designer. Or did you come up with this before today :) |
| 21:31.15 | hardwire | just did it today |
| 21:31.30 | noda | Wow :) |
| 21:31.31 | hardwire | needed a break today ;p |
| 21:32.25 | hardwire | anybody need a logo? |
| 21:32.37 | hardwire | I don't imagine any of my personal work is gonna get done today |
| 21:32.38 | kergoth | hardwire: lookin good.. I couldnt see that color scheme fit for use on a business card or something, but its nice |
| 21:32.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:33.03 | hardwire | it can be of a higher contrast |
| 21:33.08 | hardwire | its designed to be on paper |
| 21:33.14 | hardwire | no color ink needed |
| 21:33.28 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:44.28 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/oe1-bc.png |
| 21:44.29 | hardwire | heheh |
| 21:45.06 | scanline | whose idea was it to have an OE business card? :) |
| 21:45.15 | hardwire | thast sosrta what I am wondering |
| 21:45.51 | hardwire | I could really use a sara lee pound cake ATM |
| 21:47.11 | noda | Mmmm, me too! |
| 21:47.45 | scanline | Sara Lee Pound Cake is so dense that each pound of it weighs over 10,000 pounds! |
| 21:47.49 | hardwire | until its just one big ball of compressed cake stuffins |
| 21:48.59 | icefox | Sir Kergoth? |
| 21:50.05 | icefox | hardwire: nice logo, but you have to ditch the background (as you probably already know) simply for it to work everywhere. |
| 21:50.19 | hardwire | work everywhere? |
| 21:50.29 | hardwire | if you wan't business cards think less SVG more EPS/AI |
| 21:50.31 | icefox | i.e. on a green background |
| 21:50.40 | hardwire | are they gonna be green business cards? |
| 21:50.47 | icefox | haha |
| 21:50.50 | icefox | never mind |
| 21:51.11 | noda | hardwire: SVG can do everything EPS can do... |
| 21:51.11 | scanline | I'm still of the opinion that the shape is the logo, and the coloring/shading should be chosen to fit the medium |
| 21:51.25 | hardwire | noda: sorry.. that was a rip on the tools not the format |
| 21:51.40 | noda | hardwire: Heh, np |
| 21:52.10 | noda | I'm of the opinion the fishy logo is really nice, very simple and as JasonNJ was saying, it kinda sticks in the mind. |
| 21:52.15 | hardwire | anyhoot.. /me heads off to showerville.. |
| 21:52.39 | hardwire | noda: the fishy logo is nice.. I think its too chunky however |
| 21:52.41 | hardwire | oh well |
| 21:52.45 | hardwire | more later! |
| 21:55.15 | bipolar | who maintains kismet in the buildroot? |
| 21:55.33 | bipolar | oh... thats probbly someone in opie, isn't it.... |
| 21:59.02 | treke | bipolar: got the errr? |
| 21:59.23 | bipolar | treke: not done yet... sorry. Almost though. |
| 21:59.33 | treke | no prob |
| 21:59.49 | treke | I just thought of it, been busy woking :) |
| 22:00.08 | bipolar | :) |
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| 22:08.39 | ljp_work | BOFH?!? |
| 22:08.51 | kergoth | ibot: bofh |
| 22:08.51 | | it has been said that bofh is at http://bofh.ntk.net |
| 22:13.07 | Dessimat0r | Wonder how long it takes for a busienss card shaped CD-ROM to shatter in the client's drive? |
| 22:14.08 | kenb | depends if it's a mac or not. |
| 22:14.10 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:14.18 | kenb | they don't work in most macs. |
| 22:14.33 | kenb | I spent a day last week removing one from an iMac. |
| 22:15.08 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 22:15.25 | kenb | thankfully, the user has left the company. |
| 22:15.30 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 22:15.35 | kenb | and I know where they went, so I can avoid it. |
| 22:16.57 | noda | kergoth: ping |
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| 22:18.50 | Bowser | Lo ppl |
| 22:18.55 | noda | Moo |
| 22:19.20 | Bowser | Hi treke |
| 22:22.49 | ljp_work | zone |
| 22:23.17 | ljp_work | I think I feel like working on code tonight. |
| 22:24.03 | ljp_work | might check out warmi's zsurface |
| 22:24.50 | hardwire | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/hardwire/src/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4/malloc' |
| 22:24.56 | hardwire | memusagestat.c:36: gd.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:24.56 | hardwire | memusagestat.c:37: gdfontl.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:24.56 | hardwire | memusagestat.c:38: gdfonts.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.02 | hardwire | why does glibc need libgd ? |
| 22:25.07 | Bowser | gn8 |
| 22:26.01 | bipolar | hmmm..... I seem to be missing: |
| 22:26.02 | bipolar | buildroot-oz/packages/oz-base/sysvinit/banner |
| 22:27.37 | bipolar | kergoth: does that file have anything important in it? |
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| 22:31.17 | ljp_work | maybe they'll rename caviar to salmon eggs |
| 22:31.42 | ljp_work | must... code... more... |
| 22:33.03 | ljp_work | yeee haaa! git yer snail and salmon eggs.. |
| 22:33.39 | NetNut404_work | anyone here sync their Z with MS outlook? |
| 22:33.53 | ljp_work | nope. whats outlook? |
| 22:34.17 | ljp_work | intelsync? |
| 22:34.23 | kenb | I do. |
| 22:34.55 | ljp_work | and it works? |
| 22:37.34 | kenb | yes |
| 23:00.43 | Dessimat0r | I've fucked up my Zaurus, trying to install the latest unstable ;) |
| 23:00.47 | JasonNJ | hardwire: your logo looks like the quake logo |
| 23:01.30 | JasonNJ | its fine for a computer game company |
| 23:01.41 | JasonNJ | not really what we had envisioned |
| 23:01.53 | bipolar | Quick note: Feed at http://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/feed has been updated with what should become OZ 3.1-rc3. Have Fun! |
| 23:02.27 | hardwire | JasonNJ: it looks like the quake logo? interesting |
| 23:02.33 | hardwire | eh.. I guess it does |
| 23:02.36 | Dessimat0r | c00 ;) |
| 23:02.43 | hardwire | so you are making OpenEmbedded a company eh? |
| 23:03.23 | JasonNJ | thats the end objective, yes |
| 23:03.28 | hardwire | who's backing you.. Puffy? |
| 23:03.47 | Dessimat0r | OpenEmbedded : Its in us all |
| 23:03.49 | JasonNJ | actually, thats what I am working on. |
| 23:04.04 | hardwire | ok.. I have more logo ideas |
| 23:04.18 | hardwire | but if its for a company I will probably let you get some pro to do it |
| 23:05.26 | Dessimat0r | w00t! are those images on your site for RC3? (http://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/images/) |
| 23:05.38 | Dessimat0r | Very handy, since I need to reflash |
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| 23:07.42 | Speedy2 | He |
| 23:07.46 | Dessimat0r | hE |
| 23:07.56 | Speedy2 | ust wondering, I think I located a decently large source of *new* SL5500s for ~360. Is that attractive to anyone? |
| 23:07.57 | JasonNJ | I guess I should drag my 5500 out of storage |
| 23:08.03 | Speedy2 | Hey Jason. |
| 23:08.14 | kergoth | alright back |
| 23:08.27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hehe, saw hardwire's logo eh? |
| 23:08.38 | JasonNJ | we cant have a busy logo |
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| 23:08.50 | Dessimat0r | That rules out my logos then ;) |
| 23:08.52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: oh i agree. |
| 23:10.00 | Twiun | right... I'm off, g'night guys :) |
| 23:10.06 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 23:10.08 | Speedy2 | Bye |
| 23:10.20 | Twiun | Speedy2: interesting price, but can't afford anything atm anyway :( |
| 23:10.43 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/oe3.png <- something along those lines doesn't strike you as cool either? |
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| 23:11.31 | Dessimat0r | how about an O with a 'euro' type E iniside it? |
| 23:11.33 | yeiazel | 0 EUR ? coool OE is free :) |
| 23:11.41 | yeiazel | oops :) |
| 23:11.47 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:12.06 | kergoth | hardwire: well even the previous logo was 'cool', but whether its appropriate is something else entirely |
| 23:12.15 | hardwire | http://bastard.bogomip.com/oe4.png |
| 23:12.23 | kergoth | I think theres too much overlap |
| 23:12.28 | hardwire | I know.. trying to go along with something that looks nice.. and isn't just plain.. fishy |
| 23:12.36 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 23:12.43 | kergoth | yo TMM1 |
| 23:12.45 | Dessimat0r | what you need is a picture of someone's head, with the text 'openembedded' inside their eye |
| 23:12.49 | hardwire | so far I have not seen any good responses on the fish logo |
| 23:12.54 | hardwire | so I thought I would try something |
| 23:12.55 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 23:13.50 | hardwire | overlap.. yeh.. its also called proto |
| 23:13.57 | hardwire | the premise of this design does not work for you apparently |
| 23:13.57 | Speedy2 | treke: What's in your "new box" ? |
| 23:14.17 | treke | Speedy2: dual athlon mp 2400s. 512mb ram. gf4 |
| 23:14.23 | Speedy2 | treke: Which MB? |
| 23:14.25 | Speedy2 | Tyan or MSI? |
| 23:14.28 | treke | MSI |
| 23:14.36 | Speedy2 | With broken USB or fixed? |
| 23:14.39 | treke | fixed |
| 23:14.42 | Speedy2 | How'd you find it? |
| 23:14.56 | treke | ordered through a local place |
| 23:15.00 | Speedy2 | (Err, that is, how do you like your system) |
| 23:15.15 | treke | ah, it hasnt arrived yet. Just drooling on the receipt :) |
| 23:15.21 | Speedy2 | Ah :) |
| 23:16.06 | treke | Speedy2: I've got one of the Tyans with the fixed Usb at work. Nice and stable |
| 23:16.17 | hardwire | augh |
| 23:16.20 | hardwire | OZ hates x86 |
| 23:16.31 | treke | hardwire: doesnt everyone? |
| 23:16.36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:17.55 | Dessimat0r | Even x86 processors aren't x86 compliant anymore, they morph the code on entry and output into another format (correct, right?) |
| 23:18.32 | Speedy2 | Kinda |
| 23:18.45 | Speedy2 | treke: My system is a Tyan w/o fixed USB. Of course stable though |
| 23:18.55 | Speedy2 | Dessimat0r: They're all basically RISC processors with CISC front-ends. |
| 23:19.00 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:19.10 | Dessimat0r | thought it was something like that |
| 23:19.12 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 23:19.22 | Speedy2 | Basically, x86 and CISC suck rocks. |
| 23:20.10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:21.07 | Dessimat0r | man, it would be rather cool if we had a display on the Zaurus, showing the percentage of flashing completedness ;) |
| 23:21.20 | Dessimat0r | and errors that arise, for whatever reason |
| 23:21.28 | Speedy2 | ...it was all planned |
| 23:21.32 | JasonNJ | yeah I am flashing bipolar's image at the moment |
| 23:21.50 | Dessimat0r | mine is flashed ;) |
| 23:21.55 | Dessimat0r | booting now |
| 23:22.32 | JasonNJ | heh mine is booting as well |
| 23:22.43 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 23:22.50 | Dessimat0r | there appears to be no bootup text whatsoever |
| 23:22.52 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 23:22.55 | kergoth | right |
| 23:22.59 | kergoth | that woudl be the verbosity situation |
| 23:23.02 | Dessimat0r | yup ;) |
| 23:23.06 | kergoth | the silence makes it cleaner, but its too damn silent |
| 23:23.10 | kergoth | I added a please wait deal |
| 23:23.16 | kergoth | but reconfiguring packages should still display |
| 23:23.22 | kergoth | and the ramdisk handler still needs user input |
| 23:23.32 | JasonNJ | hmm logo came up |
| 23:23.38 | JasonNJ | cursor is just blinking away |
| 23:23.46 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: how about a Gentoo style startup? Starting <service> ... [OK] |
| 23:23.49 | JasonNJ | no kernel messages |
| 23:23.59 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: proper bootup messages in a standard format is on the TODO |
| 23:24.09 | Speedy2 | Just wondering, anyone here interested in buying a Nikon CoolPix 5700? I want to sell mine. |
| 23:24.17 | JasonNJ | speedy: how come |
| 23:24.43 | Speedy2 | Umm, I'm not going to be taking pictures for a while anymore and I don't want it just sitting doing nothing. |
| 23:24.51 | Speedy2 | (err, subtract that "anymore") |
| 23:24.54 | JasonNJ | cause its an awesome camera |
| 23:24.56 | Dessimat0r | hmm.. how long does it normally take for bootup? |
| 23:25.00 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: You have one? |
| 23:25.02 | Dessimat0r | well, how long is it meant to |
| 23:25.07 | Dessimat0r | its been sittign here for a minuite |
| 23:25.08 | JasonNJ | yeah, I use mine all the time |
| 23:25.11 | Dessimat0r | *sitting |
| 23:25.14 | JasonNJ | yeah mine is not booting |
| 23:25.22 | JasonNJ | dessimator: you have just a blinking cursor? |
| 23:25.25 | kergoth | talk to bipolar |
| 23:25.26 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 23:25.27 | JasonNJ | with the oz logo |
| 23:25.30 | Dessimat0r | underneath the bootup logo |
| 23:25.32 | JasonNJ | same here |
| 23:25.36 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: You should outside or inside? |
| 23:25.53 | JasonNJ | I shoot both |
| 23:25.57 | JasonNJ | but a lot of inside work |
| 23:25.58 | JasonNJ | without flash |
| 23:26.01 | JasonNJ | closeups |
| 23:26.14 | JasonNJ | you have to make sure if you are shooting inside to set the camera right |
| 23:26.20 | JasonNJ | the defaults are not good for closeups |
| 23:26.30 | JasonNJ | gotta change focusing mode and a whole lot of other crap |
| 23:26.32 | Speedy2 | I just use macro mode. Works well |
| 23:26.58 | Speedy2 | What other options do you change? |
| 23:27.11 | Speedy2 | Gotta make sure lighting is good... |
| 23:27.14 | Dessimat0r | macro mode is brilliant ;) |
| 23:27.24 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 23:27.28 | JasonNJ | I changed the exposure bracketing |
| 23:27.32 | JasonNJ | few other minor tweaks |
| 23:27.45 | JasonNJ | the main problem with the camera is it is TOO complicated |
| 23:27.55 | Speedy2 | I don't really think so |
| 23:27.57 | Dessimat0r | mine has an Auto mode |
| 23:27.57 | JasonNJ | not a good beginners camera |
| 23:27.58 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 23:28.07 | Speedy2 | Yeah, not the best beginners' camera |
| 23:28.16 | Speedy2 | But once you understand what does what, it's nice to have the features |
| 23:28.22 | JasonNJ | the camera is so big that if you are not careful with lighting and stuff you get a lot of camera shake |
| 23:28.23 | Speedy2 | I usually shoot shutter priority |
| 23:28.29 | Speedy2 | (to avoid shake issues) |
| 23:28.38 | JasonNJ | dessimator: mine is definitely not booting. |
| 23:28.41 | Speedy2 | You find it big? Have you ever used an SLR? |
| 23:28.52 | JasonNJ | yeah, my last camera was a EOS-1 |
| 23:28.57 | JasonNJ | its big for a digital cam |
| 23:29.16 | Dessimat0r | I tried resetting mine ;) |
| 23:29.22 | Speedy2 | For the 5MP class, it's about the same sized as the Minolta D7i/D7hi |
| 23:29.22 | Dessimat0r | just in case it was a first boot thing |
| 23:29.24 | JasonNJ | yeah I hard reset mine too |
| 23:29.26 | JasonNJ | no go |
| 23:29.38 | Speedy2 | When you shoot indoors, how do you handle lighting? |
| 23:29.45 | Dessimat0r | I have a flash |
| 23:29.46 | Dessimat0r | no problem |
| 23:29.58 | JasonNJ | i havent booted this 5500 in 8 weeks, I'm gonna try with a sharp rom |
| 23:29.59 | Speedy2 | I hate using flash, it screws the color balance all up. |
| 23:30.09 | JasonNJ | I dont use a flash, I use spot lights |
| 23:30.22 | JasonNJ | I do a lot of food photography |
| 23:30.29 | Speedy2 | Oh? Why so? |
| 23:30.33 | JasonNJ | and a lot of times I just use natural light |
| 23:30.36 | JasonNJ | speedy: www.egullet.com |
| 23:30.37 | Speedy2 | Wife is a chef or something? |
| 23:30.42 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 23:31.26 | Dessimat0r | shit, i have business studies homework |
| 23:31.27 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:31.42 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: So, like what's your involvement with them? |
| 23:32.17 | Speedy2 | Do you normally shoot P,S,A, or M ? |
| 23:32.19 | JasonNJ | I own it. |
| 23:32.31 | JasonNJ | I normally shoot A |
| 23:32.44 | Dessimat0r | bbs |
| 23:32.51 | Speedy2 | Interesting. |
| 23:32.52 | JasonNJ | and I slew the apeture as needed |
| 23:33.06 | JasonNJ | I normally open it all the way up |
| 23:33.10 | Speedy2 | You like adjusting depth of field? |
| 23:33.16 | JasonNJ | sometimes |
| 23:33.23 | JasonNJ | on closeups its not that critical |
| 23:33.35 | TMM1 | hello |
| 23:33.37 | Speedy2 | Well, macro mode basically opens it up |
| 23:33.42 | JasonNJ | right |
| 23:33.46 | Speedy2 | It takes brilliant macros |
| 23:33.50 | JasonNJ | flower mode |
| 23:33.52 | Speedy2 | Yeah :) |
| 23:33.57 | JasonNJ | www.saigonrepublic.com |
| 23:34.00 | Speedy2 | I shot a shit load of flowers, they all look gorgeous |
| 23:34.00 | JasonNJ | look at the gallery |
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| 23:34.04 | JasonNJ | I took all of those |
| 23:34.51 | troffasky | hey I've got a 5700 too |
| 23:34.54 | JasonNJ | also www.egullet.com/pics |
| 23:35.11 | troffasky | and a shit load of pictures of flowers |
| 23:35.14 | Speedy2 | Heh :) |
| 23:35.19 | kergoth | okay, util-linux fdisk bus errors |
| 23:35.19 | Speedy2 | They make great subjects |
| 23:35.25 | kergoth | should we try busybox fdisk again? |
| 23:35.25 | Speedy2 | With macro mode and a nice flower, YOU NEVER GO WRONG |
| 23:35.35 | hardwire | nice nuggets |
| 23:36.01 | troffasky | yeah, it got too easy and I got bored |
| 23:36.01 | Speedy2 | Jason: You shoot the Saigon stuff with built-in flash? |
| 23:36.05 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 23:36.16 | JasonNJ | allthough a lot of them I did no flash |
| 23:36.30 | JasonNJ | I also tweaked a lot of the pics in paint shop |
| 23:36.40 | Speedy2 | Oh? What'dya do? |
| 23:36.48 | Speedy2 | (My policy is to get it right on the camera or trash the picture) |
| 23:36.58 | JasonNJ | well, I take several exposures |
| 23:37.03 | JasonNJ | with and without flash |
| 23:37.12 | Speedy2 | Do you bracket a lot? |
| 23:37.19 | JasonNJ | and then I tweak the brightness and contrast in paintshop |
| 23:37.25 | JasonNJ | also scale the pics |
| 23:37.30 | JasonNJ | and bring down colors |
| 23:37.32 | JasonNJ | for use on the web |
| 23:37.53 | Speedy2 | I tried a D1x the other day. Man it was nice. |
| 23:39.02 | Speedy2 | Anyway, if anyones interested in a very well taken care of CP5700, let me know |
| 23:39.40 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: Ever play around with a digital SLR? |
| 23:40.21 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 23:40.30 | JasonNJ | my partner in egullet has a D1 |
| 23:40.40 | Speedy2 | How do you like it? |
| 23:40.41 | JasonNJ | I also used to work for canon |
| 23:40.43 | JasonNJ | way back |
| 23:40.51 | JasonNJ | the d1 is a serious camera |
| 23:40.59 | JasonNJ | but its overkill for web work |
| 23:41.03 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 23:41.13 | JasonNJ | actually the 5700 is probably overkill |
| 23:41.15 | Speedy2 | It's basically a digital version of the F5, if you've used that. |
| 23:41.24 | Speedy2 | Well, the 8x zoom is the most important |
| 23:41.34 | Speedy2 | No other non-digital SLR has that kind of optical zoom |
| 23:41.45 | JasonNJ | thats why I chose it |
| 23:41.52 | JasonNJ | although the DIMAGE is supposed to be pretty serious |
| 23:41.55 | Speedy2 | When I shoot, I use 1600x1200, not 2560x1920, because of space limited |
| 23:41.56 | Speedy2 | No |
| 23:41.58 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 23:42.01 | Speedy2 | It has serious noise problems |
| 23:42.11 | Speedy2 | Even at ISO/ASA 100 |
| 23:42.17 | Speedy2 | I spent weeks reading forums and such |
| 23:42.38 | Speedy2 | A lot of people were pissed off at how much noise, even in good lighting conditions |
| 23:43.01 | Speedy2 | The 7Hi which is the latest (I think) didn't fix any of the 7i's noise problems either (though they added some OTHER features) |
| 23:43.08 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 23:43.16 | JasonNJ | the 5700 has worked out pretty good so far |
| 23:43.27 | JasonNJ | it does focus a bit slow |
| 23:43.39 | JasonNJ | and certain patterns cause it to go wonky |
| 23:43.50 | JasonNJ | its not easy to lock focus |
| 23:43.54 | JasonNJ | escpecially on closeups |
| 23:44.20 | JasonNJ | but thats endemic to a lot of digi cams I think |
| 23:45.32 | Speedy2 | Yeah...they're using a digital focusing scheme instead of an optical |
| 23:45.47 | troffasky | the 5700 doesn't have focus assist light |
| 23:46.00 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 23:46.09 | Speedy2 | You can switch it to manual focus |
| 23:46.13 | troffasky | it uses contrast detect |
| 23:46.17 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 23:46.35 | Speedy2 | I shoot mostly outdoors, so I haven't had too many issues with that |
| 23:46.52 | JasonNJ | man this 5500 is whacked |
| 23:46.56 | Speedy2 | Battery life could be better, though I have an extra EN-EL1 |
| 23:47.00 | troffasky | I've found it piss-poor for indoor stuff |
| 23:47.03 | JasonNJ | the screen is having weird refresh problems |
| 23:47.13 | Speedy2 | Which lasts me through both my 128MB CF cards |
| 23:47.19 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: I'll take it off your hands... |
| 23:49.01 | JasonNJ | gonna have to see if sharp will get me a new one |
| 23:49.21 | Speedy2 | It's the only 5500 you have? |
| 23:50.06 | Speedy2 | Anyway, BBL |
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| 23:58.12 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:58.55 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: sharp still talks to you? :P |
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