irclog2html for #openembedded on 20030205

`00:00.12`	`Soopaman`	`kergoth, do you have a cvs mirror for your opie bk source?`
`00:00.17`	`treke`	`as much as I hate /opt, it's probably the better choice for compatibility with the Z and other devices`
`00:00.20`	`kergoth`	`Soopaman: no. and we will not.`
`00:00.34`	`Soopaman`	`any reason ?`
`00:00.34`	`kergoth`	`Soopaman: i trie dto maintain one, but its an absolute bitch to put it mildly`
`00:00.43`	`kergoth`	`its, its not maintainable`
`00:00.50`	`kergoth`	`to keep the trees synced takes hours every few days`
`00:00.58`	`kergoth`	`just use a snapshot`
`00:01.02`	`kergoth`	`if you cant or wont use bk`
`00:01.06`	`kergoth`	`ibot: oz snapshots`
`00:01.06`		`kergoth: I give up, what is it?`
`00:01.09`	`kergoth`	`ibot: oz snapshot`
`00:01.10`		`[oz snapshot] http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK`
`00:01.15`	`kergoth`	`ibot: oz snapshots is <reply> see oz snapshot`
`00:01.15`		`kergoth: okay`
`00:01.20`	`Soopaman`	`heheh`
`00:01.41`	`Soopaman`	`i would love an entire application source snapshot to start building`
`00:01.49`	`kergoth`	`?`
`00:01.54`	`kergoth`	`i dont understand the statement`
`00:02.01`	`kergoth`	`we dont keep upstream sources in bk`
`00:02.23`	`kergoth`	`we'll be mirroring them on local servers when we rewrite the buildsystem, but that'll be a while`
`00:02.36`	`Soopaman`	`to compile the environment (the actual programs`
`00:02.46`	`kergoth`	`?`
`00:02.50`	`treke`	`Soopaman: it downloads what you need when you need it`
`00:02.52`	`kergoth`	`i still dont understand`
`00:03.05`	`kergoth`	`it downloads sources, patches them, compiles them, packages them, and if you want, builds an image`
`00:03.05`	`*** join/#openembedded chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca)`
`00:04.37`	`Soopaman`	`oh, so it will download the sources automagically?`
`00:04.42`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`00:04.56`	`kergoth`	`that buildroot is all you need to build all of OZ`
`00:05.04`	`kergoth`	`including libc, opie, ssh, et cetera`
`00:05.28`	`ljp`	`fuk`
`00:05.48`	`Soopaman`	`sweet`
`00:06.09`	`Soopaman`	`let me switch to my nix side`
`00:06.55`	`kergoth`	`woot, fixed another make -j failure`
`00:06.59`	`kergoth`	`chugging away again`
`00:07.33`	`ljp`	`thats crazy!`
`00:07.42`	`treke`	`are any of your fixes in the repository?`
`00:07.47`	`chouimat`	`woooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! it's works`
`00:08.03`	`kergoth`	`treke: not yet, I havent pushed the dependency generation`
`00:08.12`	`kergoth`	`treke: making sur eit doesnt explode horribly first :)`
`00:08.15`	`treke`	`darn`
`00:08.16`	`treke`	`:p`
`00:09.22`	`Soopaman`	`jeeze`
`00:09.27`	`Soopaman`	`this is TOOOOOOOOO funny`
`00:09.30`	`kergoth`	`Soopaman: ?`
`00:09.44`	`Soopaman`	`are you cdn or american`
`00:09.44`	`Soopaman`	`?`
`00:09.49`	`kergoth`	`american`
`00:10.06`	`Soopaman`	`nuts`
`00:10.08`	`treke`	`Soopaman: Are you american or moron?`
`00:10.13`	`kergoth`	`chouimat and noda are cdn`
`00:10.22`	`Soopaman`	`you gotta see this show called "Just for laughs"`
`00:10.27`	`Soopaman`	`hillllllllllarious`
`00:10.46`	`Soopaman`	`i'm almost crying over here it's soo funny`
`00:10.54`	`treke`	`I'm so very happy for you`
`00:11.02`	`Soopaman`	`thanks you jerk`
`00:11.04`	`Soopaman`	`:)`
`00:11.07`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:11.49`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: Soopaman sound like ebonic`
`00:11.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Soopaman: what channel etc?`
`00:11.53`	`treke`	`you are welcome`
`00:11.55`	`*** join/#openembedded DaJoker (~joker@ip68-10-51-20.rn.hr.cox.net)`
`00:13.39`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: hmm... by the way... it would be fine if the new buildsystem could also feature x86 as the target language.. :-D so we could automate building an opie sdk, for instance.`
`00:13.54`	`kergoth`	`you could do that easily with the existing system`
`00:13.56`	`Soopaman`	`TheMasterMind1, tvs, #50 over here`
`00:14.03`	`kergoth`	`the goal is any target arch, any build arch, any target OS, any build OS`
`00:14.06`	`kergoth`	`within reason`
`00:14.16`	`ljp`	`my cat is licking my fingers while I try to type`
`00:14.17`	`Soopaman`	`the french chan`
`00:14.40`	`treke`	`ah. french`
`00:14.46`	`treke`	`that explains much`
`00:14.53`	`mickeyl`	`hmm... would be interesting to try it out... maybe on weekend`
`00:14.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:15.19`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: yeah, course it doesnt generate packages in a form you'd be using on the desktop, but the new one could`
`00:15.54`	`Soopaman`	`bahahaha`
`00:15.54`	`Soopaman`	`this guy dressed up as a police officer convinces drivers down a one-way to turn around, then he pulls them over, and gives them a ticket`
`00:16.10`	`Soopaman`	`and the drivers try to explain themselves...`
`00:16.30`	`treke`	`yup. fremcj`
`00:17.00`	`Soopaman`	`i should rip it for you guys`
`00:17.05`	`Soopaman`	`c'est fantastique!`
`00:17.51`	`kergoth`	`treke: dependency autogeneration is in`
`00:18.06`	`chouimat`	`Soopaman: tqs?`
`00:18.12`	`chouimat`	`tva?`
`00:18.31`	`Soopaman`	`it has "TVA" watermarked in the corner of this chan`
`00:18.42`	`chouimat`	`Soopaman: ok I have it here`
`00:19.11`	`Soopaman`	`what are you seeing?`
`00:19.25`	`chouimat`	`Soopaman: a muslim woman`
`00:19.42`	`Soopaman`	`yeah`
`00:19.44`	`kergoth`	`treke: let me know if explodes :)`
`00:19.44`	`Soopaman`	`heheh`
`00:19.57`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart tv`
`00:20.24`	`kergoth`	`treke: ignore the 'unable to locate path' messages, those were for debugging the depends generation`
`00:20.27`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:21.19`	`ljp`	`depends.. like the old people diapers?`
`00:21.37`	`treke`	`kergoth: I will, this is from almost a fresh build. It had been going for 10 minutes`
`00:21.43`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`00:21.58`	`treke`	`ljp: depends suck, I prefer Oops I Crapped My Pant's`
`00:22.54`	`Soopaman`	`this stuff is classic`
`00:23.04`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: lart Soopaman`
`00:23.51`	`ljp`	`awwww. my cat brought in a twig!`
`00:25.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ljp: how nice`
`00:26.03`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: havent you learned anythign from us yet? you're supposed to be more of a smartass`
`00:26.06`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`00:26.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`00:26.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`more??`
`00:26.28`	`chouimat`	`who was that saoooooopaman`
`00:26.31`	`chouimat`	`?`
`00:27.03`	`ljp`	`Klark Ckent`
`00:27.14`	`andersee`	`kergoth: how hard is it to add more ram and/or flash to a zaurus 5000d?`
`00:27.28`	`kergoth`	`andersee: I dont believe anyone has done it to date, so hard enough ;)`
`00:27.34`	`chouimat`	`andersee: no one tried it`
`00:27.37`	`andersee`	`hmm`
`00:27.54`	`treke`	`TheMasterMind1: We're waiting`
`00:28.18`	`andersee`	`Anyone post screenshots of the internals somewhere, or do I need to crack mine open to check it?`
`00:28.39`	`kergoth`	`andersee: they're available, pester Tim when he's around`
`00:28.45`	`kergoth`	`andersee: I dont recall the url off the top of my head`
`00:28.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`treke: heh`
`00:28.51`	`kergoth`	`ljp: you mirrored them on opie.us, right?`
`00:28.54`	`kergoth`	`ljp: the Z internals pics?`
`00:29.15`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: yeah, you definately need to hang around us smartasses more`
`00:29.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ya`
`00:29.30`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:30.05`	`chouimat`	`TheMasterMind1: it's easy ... you use your twig with her pussy`
`00:30.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`how to become like kergoth in 24 hours`
`00:30.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`chouimat: lol`
`00:30.32`	`kergoth`	`step 1) remember, always, that people are stupid`
`00:30.36`	`kergoth`	`:D`
`00:30.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`00:31.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`idiots guide to kergothisms`
`00:31.13`	`kenb`	`heh`
`00:31.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot emulate kergoth`
`00:31.18`		`ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.`
`00:31.18`	`kergoth`	`step 2) politeness is pointless`
`00:31.21`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:31.28`	`kenb`	`K's law. In any sufficently large group, most are idiots.`
`00:32.05`	`chouimat`	`no In any sufficently large group, they are all idots but me`
`00:32.10`	`kergoth`	`lo`
`00:32.11`	`kergoth`	`l`
`00:32.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`chouimat: and in small groups?`
`00:32.30`	`chouimat`	`TheMasterMind1: the same`
`00:32.30`	`kergoth`	`step 3) become bitter and cynical`
`00:33.11`	`kenb`	`hm.`
`00:33.28`	`kenb`	`I'm guessing Tim's done alot of hacking on ibot?`
`00:33.39`	`kergoth`	`yeah, afaik he's on the blootbot project`
`00:33.48`	`kergoth`	`why do you ask?`
`00:33.51`	`kenb`	`there haven't been updates in a year on the project, it seems.`
`00:34.01`	`kenb`	`I need to run one for another #chan here`
`00:34.05`	`kergoth`	`on blootbot? infobot was maintained even less`
`00:34.07`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:34.31`	`kergoth`	`b00m`
`00:34.35`	`kergoth`	`my build exploded`
`00:34.38`	`kergoth`	`oh, thats the old MTD bug`
`00:34.55`	`treke`	`politness isnt pointless`
`00:35.18`	`treke`	`sometimes initial politeness helps to emphasize the stupidity of the user`
`00:35.28`	`kergoth`	`good point`
`00:37.10`	`kergoth`	`I always put a user code in my support cases`
`00:37.20`	`kergoth`	`its two bits`
`00:37.26`	`kergoth`	`there asshole, and stupid`
`00:37.27`	`kenb`	`FU ?`
`00:37.30`	`kergoth`	`00, 01, 10, 11`
`00:37.42`	`kergoth`	`I can tolerate a stupid nice guy, or a smart asshole`
`00:37.46`	`kergoth`	`but never a stupid asshole`
`00:37.47`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:37.51`	`kenb`	`heheh`
`00:38.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol`
`00:38.05`	`kergoth`	`and I have yet to meet a smart nice customer, I dont think they eixst`
`00:38.06`	`kergoth`	`exist`
`00:38.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot needs a quote system`
`00:38.08`		`TheMasterMind1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`00:38.34`	`kergoth`	`the code warns other techs`
`00:38.38`	`kergoth`	`"oh shit, he's a 11"`
`00:38.40`	`kergoth`	`..`
`00:39.03`	`treke`	`haha`
`00:39.22`	`kergoth`	`new yorker customers are the best`
`00:39.26`	`kergoth`	`you can yell at them`
`00:39.30`	`kergoth`	`and they expect it, so its fine`
`00:39.44`	`kergoth`	`"listen, just shut up and type what i telll you to type"`
`00:39.46`	`kergoth`	`"k"`
`00:40.25`	`*** join/#openembedded SoopaMATRIX (~root@h24-66-55-163.wp.shawcable.net)`
`00:40.34`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:40.43`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`hah`
`00:40.46`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`I am the matrix`
`00:40.51`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`10101000101010101010101`
`00:40.52`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`100101010110`
`00:40.55`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`10100110101010011010001011010101`
`00:41.00`	`kergoth`	`no, you're an 11`
`00:41.00`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.02`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.03`	`*** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ`
`00:41.06`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.11`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.12`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.15`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`hahah`
`00:41.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`00:41.47`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`00:41.52`	`*** kick/#openembedded [SoopaMATRIX!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (/me real kicks SoopaMATRIX in a single motion!)`
`00:41.53`	`ulyx`	`kergoth: I hate you :(`
`00:42.08`	`*** join/#openembedded SoopaMATRIX (~root@h24-66-55-163.wp.shawcable.net)`
`00:42.14`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`did i do that?`
`00:42.19`	`kergoth`	`18:42 -!- SoopaMATRIX was kicked from #openembedded by kergoth [/me real kicks`
`00:42.22`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:42.26`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`ahhhhh`
`00:42.27`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`heheh`
`00:42.34`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`i thought i hit the wrong key over here`
`00:42.36`	`ljp`	`meanie`
`00:42.36`	`*** mode/#openembedded [+o chouimat] by ChanServ`
`00:42.46`	`*** kick/#openembedded [SoopaMATRIX!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] by chouimat (chouimat)`
`00:42.46`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: die!`
`00:42.49`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`00:42.52`	`*** join/#openembedded SoopaMATRIX (~root@h24-66-55-163.wp.shawcable.net)`
`00:42.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`00:42.56`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`:\|`
`00:42.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ulyx bitches when we kick?`
`00:42.58`	`ulyx`	`who knows?`
`00:43.07`	`kergoth`	`ibot: lart ulyx`
`00:43.11`	`*** mode/#openembedded [-v ulyx] by TheMasterMind1`
`00:43.11`	`chouimat`	`TheMasterMind1: yup`
`00:43.11`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`00:43.15`	`treke`	`ulyx go sit on a bug snack`
`00:43.21`	`chouimat`	`ulyx lart ulyx`
`00:43.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`that's so bad.`
`00:45.01`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`do i just doa "make" after i am done configging oz?`
`00:45.07`	`kergoth`	`yes`
`00:45.14`	`kergoth`	`make menuconfig; make`
`00:45.17`	`kenb`	`ibot: slashdot`
`00:46.09`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: freshmeat`
`00:46.10`	`ulyx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.10`	`ulyx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.10`	`ulyx`	`Fast Light WRITER 0.0.14 \| A small WYSIWYG word processor.`
`00:46.10`	`ulyx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:47.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:48.53`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I just learned that my isp tolerate 15GB of download per months ...(i have 6GB limit on my contract)`
`00:50.01`	`treke`	`anyone come up with a working replacement for workaround.patch?`
`00:50.31`	`treke`	`although, I guess the real question is, what is it for :)`
`00:55.14`	`chouimat`	treke: wait for kergoth`bbl return
`00:55.23`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune homer`
`00:55.24`	`ulyx`	`Woo Hoo! Good news everybody! Because I endangered lives, we can fly anywhere we want! -- Homer Simpson Fear of Flying`
`00:56.18`	`treke`	`but I want an answer now! now! now!`
`00:56.28`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`any reason why OZ compiles for arm when i told it to do x86?`
`00:56.36`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune homer`
`00:56.37`	`ulyx`	`He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my side. -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror II`
`00:56.55`	`mickeyl`	`basically without the workaround, your Z won't come up again after suspend. and to the 2nd part, I'm afraid noone had time to take care of it yet.`
`00:57.59`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune chalkboard`
`00:58.00`	`ulyx`	`I WILL NOT SAY "SPRINGFIELD" JUST TO GET APPLAUSE I WILL NOT SAY "SPRINGFIELD" JUST TO GET APPLAUSE I WILL NOT SAY "SPRINGFIELD" JUST TO GET APPLAUSE I WILL NOT SAY "SPRINGFIELD" JUST TO GET APPLAUSE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 1F08`
`01:06.38`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`oooh`
`01:06.50`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`alot of hot girls on this all female fear factor ;)`
`01:07.53`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:07.59`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`hahah`
`01:08.10`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`wtf is with all this lart'ing?`
`01:08.27`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`do you guys not enjoy hot ladies?`
`01:08.27`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`nd compiling OZ?`
`01:09.33`	`treke`	`we do`
`01:09.37`	`treke`	`we just dont like you`
`01:09.47`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`good`
`01:09.55`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`'cause i know not who you are`
`01:09.59`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`and care not to ask`
`01:11.18`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx: lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:16.24`	`chouimat\|tv`	`df`
`01:16.39`	`ljp`	`bash: df: command not found`
`01:22.07`	`kenb`	`oebot: search google for freeswan cisco pix`
`01:25.04`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx search google for freeswan cisco pix`
`01:25.05`	`ulyx`	`google for freeswan cisco pix: http://lists.freeswan.org/pipermail/users/2002-December/016514.html`
`01:26.41`	`kenb`	`I was in wrong channel...`
`01:26.57`	`kenb`	`trying to digup how ibot does "emulate" since I can't see it in blootbot CVS`
`01:27.10`	`treke`	`emulate?`
`01:27.14`	`treke`	`ibot emulate?`
`01:27.15`		`treke: I give up, what is it?`
`01:27.18`	`kenb`	`ibot: emulate kergoth`
`01:27.18`		`ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.`
`01:27.20`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`kergo, are you around/`
`01:27.27`	`kenb`	`ibot: emulate treke`
`01:27.27`		`kenb: i haven't a clue`
`01:27.29`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`arg`
`01:27.30`	`treke`	`ibot literal emulate kergoth`
`01:27.30`		`emulate kergoth is <action> mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.`
`01:27.31`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`hmmmm...`
`01:27.45`	`kenb`	`ah`
`01:27.47`	`SoopaMATRIX`	Makefile:14: /root/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output/kernel-version: No such file or directory make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/root/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output/kernel-version'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/Desktop/buildroot-exporte
`01:27.49`	`kenb`	`it's not real.`
`01:27.57`	`kenb`	`tr: thanks`
`01:28.00`	`treke`	`no its not real. its a program`
`01:28.05`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`where can i trace this error to?`
`01:28.10`	`treke`	`the real kergoth iws much meaner`
`01:28.17`	`kenb`	`I meant the emulate command.. it's not real. just another factoid`
`01:28.27`	`treke`	`SoopaMATRIX: you havent built a kernel yet from the looks of it`
`01:28.56`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`treke, nope, do i build a kernel and then place it into there or something?`
`01:29.16`	`treke`	`no, the kernel build puts it in there`
`01:30.04`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`so how do i pull that?`
`01:30.10`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`off`
`01:31.16`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat is <action> ibot rlart`
`01:31.17`		`chouimat\|tv: okay`
`01:31.24`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:31.25`		`ACTION ibot rlart`
`01:31.44`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot no emulate chouimat is <action> rlart`
`01:31.44`		`chouimat\|tv: okay`
`01:31.48`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:31.49`		`ACTION rlart`
`01:32.12`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot no emulate chouimat is <reply> ibot rlart`
`01:32.12`		`okay, chouimat\|tv`
`01:32.17`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:32.18`		`ibot rlart`
`01:32.49`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot no emulate chouimat is <reply> ulyx lart someone`
`01:32.50`		`okay, chouimat\|tv`
`01:32.52`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:32.53`		`ulyx lart someone`
`01:36.18`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`treke, i am trying to build a kernel for a non-zaurus device`
`01:36.39`	`SoopaMATRIX`	`so i am assuming that I have to build the kernel from scratch`
`01:37.10`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:37.11`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:37.23`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`01:37.24`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:38.43`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`01:38.43`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`01:38.50`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette stats`
`01:38.51`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 36 games completed, 162 shots fired at 18 players. Luckiest: Laze (87.5% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: Laze (75.0%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (13). Most deaths: mr_woody (11).`
`01:38.54`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kenb: emulate kergoth`
`01:39.06`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:39.06`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`01:39.10`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`01:39.11`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`01:39.16`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:39.17`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`01:39.19`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`01:39.19`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`01:39.23`	`chouimat\|tv`	`fuck!`
`01:39.26`	`mr_woody`	`chouimat\|tv: your turn`
`01:39.27`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:39.27`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`01:39.32`	`mr_woody`	`:-)`
`01:39.37`	`mr_woody`	`anyway sometimes it can be 6/6 click`
`01:39.38`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart mr_woody`
`01:39.43`	`mr_woody`	`stats`
`01:39.48`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette stats`
`01:39.49`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette stats`
`01:39.49`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 37 games completed, 167 shots fired at 19 players. Luckiest: Laze (87.5% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: Laze (75.0%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (13). Most deaths: mr_woody (11).`
`01:40.09`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:40.09`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`01:40.15`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`01:40.16`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`01:40.18`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:40.18`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`01:40.20`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`01:40.21`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => BANG`
`01:40.28`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette stats`
`01:40.28`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 38 games completed, 171 shots fired at 19 players. Luckiest: Laze (87.5% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: Laze (75.0%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (13). Most deaths: mr_woody (12).`
`01:40.32`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:40.32`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`01:42.19`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`01:42.20`	`ulyx`	`Hmmmmm, let's see. Well, first of all, you fuck pigs. Oh yeah!`
`01:42.36`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`01:42.36`	`ulyx`	`Hey Satan, didja hear the news? A war just broke out up on earth. Meet Saddam Hussein, my new partner in evil.`
`01:43.36`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:43.37`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`01:43.38`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx roulette`
`01:43.38`	`ulyx`	`chouimat\|tv: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`01:43.41`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`01:43.41`	`ulyx`	`Don't kick the baby.`
`01:46.06`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`01:46.07`	`ulyx`	`We have to see this movie, dude!`
`01:48.08`	`kenb`	`chouimat\|tv: what sort of bot is ulyx ?`
`01:48.18`	`kenb`	`ah.. ruby bot...`
`01:49.40`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot: emulate chouimat`
`01:49.45`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:51.25`	`chouimat\|tv`	`hmmmmm nice subject for this spam: get an instant fuck free`
`01:51.42`	`kenb`	`ibot: emulate chouimat is <action> runs useless ibot commands for hours at a time`
`01:51.42`		`...but emulate chouimat is already something else...`
`01:51.59`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart kenb`
`01:52.07`	`kenb`	`ibot: literak emulate chouimat is <action> runs useless ibot commands for hours at a time`
`01:52.08`		`okay, kenb`
`01:52.13`	`kenb`	`ibot: literal emulate chouimat is <action> runs useless ibot commands for hours at a time`
`01:52.14`		`kenb: okay`
`01:52.24`	`kenb`	`meh. that didn't work as planned ;)`
`01:52.32`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot: emulate chouimat`
`01:52.33`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`01:53.04`	`kenb`	`heheha`
`01:53.13`	`kenb`	`I figured it out now. neat trick`
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`01:54.32`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kenb: huh?`
`01:55.27`	`kenb`	`using 1 bot to trigger the other one`
`01:55.55`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kenb: hehe`
`01:57.26`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww American Idol ..`
`02:05.43`	`*** join/#openembedded SoopaKDE (~root@h24-66-55-163.wp.shawcable.net)`
`02:06.37`	`SoopaKDE`	`hello, how do i find out if OZ built properly/completely?`
`02:08.30`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart soopa*`
`02:08.50`	`ljp`	`ulyx lart chouimat`
`02:09.39`	`*** topic/#openembedded by ljp -> OpenEmbedded - http://openembedded.org/ \| The get lart'd by Chouimat channel`
`02:10.20`	`*** topic/#openembedded by chouimat\|tv -> OpenEmbedded - http://openembedded.org/ \| The don't ask silly questions because you will get larted`
`02:11.05`	`*** topic/#openembedded by chouimat\|tv -> OpenEmbedded - http://openembedded.org/ \| Don't ask silly questions because you will get larted`
`02:11.18`	`SoopaKDE`	`heheh`
`02:11.20`	`SoopaKDE`	`thanx chou`
`02:11.35`	`SoopaKDE`	`but the faq doesn't cover this`
`02:11.50`	`*** topic/#openembedded by ljp -> OpenEmbedded - http://openembedded.org/ \| Don't ask silly questions because you will get larted \| send questions to /home/kergoth/dev/null`
`02:12.06`	`chouimat\|tv`	`SoopaKDE: does your zaurus boot?`
`02:14.00`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune bofh-excuses`
`02:14.25`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`02:14.35`	`ulyx`	`BOFH Excuse #25: Decreasing electron flux`
`02:14.35`	`ulyx`	`Bo bo bah bah.`
`02:14.52`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx fortune bofh-excuses`
`02:14.52`	`ulyx`	`BOFH Excuse #298: Not enough interrupts`
`02:15.43`	`SoopaKDE`	`chou, i am trying to build OZ for a non zaurus machine`
`02:16.14`	`SoopaKDE`	`but i don't even know if the "make" worked/completed properly (unless a good build just ends)`
`02:16.24`	`chouimat\|tv`	`SoopaKDE: you're on your own then`
`02:16.56`	`SoopaKDE`	`ok, well how do i ensure the build worked properly then?`
`02:17.04`	`SoopaKDE`	`or even adding a custom kernel`
`02:17.28`	`kenb`	`hi`
`02:17.47`	`chouimat\|tv`	`SoopaKDE: your non zaurus machine work with your build`
`02:19.53`	`SoopaKDE`	`chou, can you rephrase that last comment`
`02:20.16`	`kenb`	`SoopaKDE: what are you biilding OZ for?`
`02:21.15`	`kenb`	`You can tell if it's working by checking buildroot/output`
`02:22.11`	`SoopaKDE`	`ok`
`02:22.26`	`SoopaKDE`	`ken, i am trying to build OZ for my internet appliance`
`02:23.06`	`kenb`	`k... in output/ you'll have zImage-* files`
`02:23.11`	`kenb`	`an initrd file..`
`02:23.16`	`kenb`	`and a directory of ipkg's`
`02:23.23`	`kenb`	`and the rootfs of course`
`02:25.25`	`SoopaKDE`	`Laptopia:~/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output# ls ipks oz-base_3.1-rc2-2_arm.ipk Laptopia:~/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output# ls images Laptopia:~/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output# ls staging bin include lib Laptopia:~/Desktop/buildroot-exported/output`
`02:25.28`	`SoopaKDE`	`is what i see`
`02:25.37`	`kenb`	`you have no files.`
`02:25.41`	`SoopaKDE`	`so only one package`
`02:25.45`	`kenb`	`so your builds all failed.`
`02:25.53`	`kenb`	`does "make" work?`
`02:25.56`	`SoopaKDE`	`i doubt i even have the source for it`
`02:26.06`	`SoopaKDE`	`the other apps that is`
`02:26.36`	`SoopaKDE`	`make completes without an error message`
`02:26.47`	`kenb`	`did you enable stuff in make menuconfig ?`
`02:26.57`	`SoopaKDE`	`yeah`
`02:27.23`	`kenb`	`like the kernel, and everything related?`
`02:28.12`	`SoopaKDE`	`but there were no real options for anything`
`02:28.29`	`kenb`	`You need to enable some of a basic options before the rest become available.`
`02:29.03`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulxy lart someone`
`02:29.18`	`kenb`	`hm. damn builtroot is busted`
`02:30.05`	`*** join/#openembedded caffeine^ (~caffeine^@clt74-76-015.carolina.rr.com)`
`02:30.32`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart someone`
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`02:31.07`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: ping
`02:34.06`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart videotron`
`02:35.08`	`kenb`	`ibot: oz buildroot`
`02:35.13`		`i heard oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk`
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`02:45.16`	`kenb`	`chouimat\|tv: I wonder if OZ would work as-is on the webpal`
`02:46.45`	`kenb`	`hm`
`02:47.30`	`treke\|home`	`shoot. forgot to start my build in screen`
`02:47.32`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kenb: I don't see why not ... and with a HDD that would made a nice little computer ...`
`02:48.05`	`kenb`	`man`
`02:48.11`	`kenb`	`builtroot for OZ is fscked.`
`02:48.21`	`kenb`	`I just rm -rf'd buildroot-oz`
`02:48.24`	`kenb`	`and started fresh...`
`02:48.34`	`kenb`	`suspend.S: Assembler messages:`
`02:48.34`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:62: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`02:48.34`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:344: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`02:48.36`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kenb: that happend sometime`
`02:48.40`	`kenb`	`during the kernel build.`
`02:49.46`	`*** join/#openembedded Fatbum (fat@ip-216-177-177-80.dynamic-cpe.cable.gvtc.com)`
`02:49.51`	`Fatbum`	`hola`
`02:52.18`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ibot: emulate chouimat`
`02:52.18`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`02:53.03`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart someone`
`02:53.11`	`*** join/#openembedded TimRiker (~timr@68.116.236.204)`
`02:55.38`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ulyx lart someone`
`02:56.31`	`chouimat\|tv`	ulyx: lart kergoth`bbl
`02:56.40`	`chouimat\|tv`	ulyx: lart kergoth`bbl for not being here
`02:58.44`	`ljp`	`maybe he's sick of you guys! :)`
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`03:03.02`	`Fatbum`	`any1 use tinyx on the zaurus 5500?`
`03:03.08`	`chouimat\|tv`	`brb`
`03:04.12`	`TimRiker`	`Fatbum: someone has, I think it's in OZ now, but I have not.`
`03:04.26`	`TimRiker`	`I've seen it on the 5000 but that was quite some time ago.`
`03:04.45`	`Fatbum`	`cool`
`03:05.44`	`scanline`	`prpplague was the one who packaged it for OZ`
`03:05.56`	`Fatbum`	`oh cool`
`03:05.59`	`Fatbum`	`im talking to him now`
`03:06.00`	`Fatbum`	`thanks`
`03:09.46`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb:that error indicates you need to distclean your kernel tree`
`03:09.51`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: _or_ you're attempting to build the kernel with gcc3`
`03:09.55`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: which isnt going to happen.`
`03:10.05`	`Fatbum`	kergoth`bbl have you used fluxbox with tinyx?
`03:10.07`	kergoth`bbl	`it was a known bug in old kernel trees`
`03:10.13`	kergoth`bbl	`Fatbum: I've never used X on my Z`
`03:10.23`	kergoth`bbl	`yet anyway`
`03:10.26`	kergoth`bbl	`too much other shit to do`
`03:10.44`	kergoth`bbl	`yo, I've got one of those killer adrenaline rushes going on, I need to do somethign`
`03:10.47`	kergoth`bbl	`hmm`
`03:11.44`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: whyfore is buildroot busteD?
`03:11.50`	kergoth`bbl	`eh?`
`03:12.04`	`kenb`	`i rm -rf's mu buildroot`
`03:12.04`	kergoth`bbl	`I just told you, those kernel errors are 1) gcc3, or 2) your kernel tree needs a distclean`
`03:12.10`	kergoth`bbl	`umm`
`03:12.12`	`kenb`	`did a fresh bk clone.. new config, etc..`
`03:12.13`	kergoth`bbl	`look up^`
`03:12.18`	kergoth`bbl	`heh`
`03:12.28`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: I haven't changed anything
`03:12.34`	kergoth`bbl	`doesnt matter. those errors indicate you need a distclean o fthe kernel tree`
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`03:12.38`	kergoth`bbl	`its a _random_ behaviof`
`03:12.40`	kergoth`bbl	`its a bug in the old kernels`
`03:12.41`	kergoth`bbl	`known`
`03:12.44`	kergoth`bbl	`go search LKML`
`03:12.46`	`chouimat`	hi kergoth`bbl
`03:12.49`	kergoth`bbl	`make -C build/linux distclean`
`03:12.50`	kergoth`bbl	`make`
`03:12.52`	kergoth`bbl	`ta da`
`03:13.03`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl btw clark asked lana on a date
`03:13.06`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: i know!`
`03:13.12`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: my jaw hit the floor`
`03:13.17`	`treke\|home`	`?`
`03:13.20`	`SoopaKDE`	`kerg, would you be able to help me out for a quick second/`
`03:13.23`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: then he screwed it up and didnt tell her the truth about him at the end :/`
`03:13.30`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: if he had told her she wouldve forgiven him`
`03:13.35`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: smallville`
`03:13.37`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: tv`
`03:13.40`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: with what?`
`03:13.44`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: ah
`03:13.46`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl: poor clark
`03:13.56`	`SoopaKDE`	`kergoth, converting the OZ to open architechtures`
`03:14.03`	kergoth`bbl	`'open architectures'?`
`03:14.13`	kergoth`bbl	`first, that oz buildroot is going away in favor of a new system`
`03:14.14`	`SoopaKDE`	`err other architectures`
`03:14.15`	kergoth`bbl	`so dont get too fond of it`
`03:14.17`	kergoth`bbl	`;)`
`03:14.25`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl ibot have a new emulate command
`03:14.27`	kergoth`bbl	`but it does the job for now`
`03:14.32`	`SoopaKDE`	`heh, i'm not fond of the existing ones, because i can't even get it done`
`03:14.41`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: so whats the issue?`
`03:14.42`	kergoth`bbl	`edit config.in`
`03:14.45`	`chouimat`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`03:14.46`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`03:14.46`	kergoth`bbl	`add a new target arch`
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`03:15.00`	kergoth`bbl	`edit the toplevel Vars.make to accomidate the new arch`
`03:15.04`	`SoopaKDE`	`kergoth, i don't know if it is building anything properly`
`03:15.06`	kergoth`bbl	`?`
`03:15.15`	kergoth`bbl	`whats there to know?`
`03:15.19`	kergoth`bbl	`if it didnt error, its working`
`03:15.20`	kergoth`bbl	`..`
`03:15.21`	kergoth`bbl	`heh`
`03:15.25`	`kenb`	`heh`
`03:16.14`	`chouimat`	`ulyx lart SoopaKDE for asking silly questions`
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`03:16.30`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`03:16.30`	`ulyx`	`Huh?`
`03:16.31`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: its only needed randomly`
`03:16.34`	`SoopaKDE`	`kergoth, it doesn't build any packages`
`03:16.35`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`03:16.35`	`ulyx`	`What would Brian Botano do?`
`03:16.35`	`*** join/#openembedded dep (~chatzilla@h24-77-50-229.gv.shawcable.net)`
`03:16.38`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: it could occur in the middle of a build`
`03:16.40`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: so whats it do?`
`03:16.44`	`chouimat`	`ulyx lart SoopaKDE for asking silly questions`
`03:16.45`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: throw me a fucking bone here`
`03:16.46`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: Hm. It hit both my buildroot's tonight
`03:16.47`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: I'm not psychic`
`03:16.51`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: what _is_ it doing?`
`03:16.52`	`kenb`	`suspend.S: Assembler messages:`
`03:16.53`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:62: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`03:16.53`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:344: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`03:16.54`	`kenb`	`well`
`03:16.56`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`03:16.57`	`ulyx`	`Oh my god, you killed Kenny You bastard.`
`03:16.58`	`kenb`	`that didn't work...`
`03:17.03`	`kenb`	`so no sense adding it anyways.`
`03:17.03`	kergoth`bbl	`again, its random, and not always at the beginning`
`03:17.05`	`SoopaKDE`	`heheh`
`03:17.10`	kergoth`bbl	`then you're building with gcc3.`
`03:17.12`	`SoopaKDE`	`sorry, just got off the phone`
`03:17.14`	kergoth`bbl	`mine build flawlessly`
`03:17.18`	kergoth`bbl	`freshly cloned trees`
`03:17.23`	kergoth`bbl	`but let me fire another one up`
`03:17.25`	kergoth`bbl	`I've got 13 here`
`03:17.25`	`kenb`	`I did a fresh clone.`
`03:17.33`	`kenb`	`I rm -rf /z/bk/*`
`03:17.36`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune bofh-excuses`
`03:17.37`	`ulyx`	`BOFH Excuse #440: Cache miss - please take better aim next time`
`03:17.38`	`kenb`	`and then bk cloned it in`
`03:17.49`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: whatd they do this time? ;)`
`03:17.53`	`SoopaKDE`	`alrite, i grabbed the buildkit snapshot, untarred, made xconfig, then ran "make"`
`03:17.54`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: arm-linux-gcc != gcc3
`03:17.59`	`treke\|home`	`xome decoded not to compile :p`
`03:18.01`	`kenb`	`unless someone changed it on me.. it's 2.95.3`
`03:18.01`	`treke\|home`	`xine`
`03:18.10`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: 1) its not a buildkit`
`03:18.12`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: but go on`
`03:18.37`	kergoth`bbl	`hey everybody, I've got $20 on user error.. any takers?`
`03:18.41`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:18.48`	kergoth`bbl	`for soopa's problem anyway, not ken's`
`03:19.05`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl code 18 :)
`03:19.07`	kergoth`bbl	`come on, I'm broke over here`
`03:19.19`	`treke\|home`	`I'll give you 20 turkish lira`
`03:19.21`	`ljp`	`what about _my_ problem?!?`
`03:19.27`	kergoth`bbl	`ljp: nobody can help with your problem`
`03:19.29`	kergoth`bbl	`;)`
`03:19.32`	`ljp`	`:)`
`03:19.40`	`ljp`	`great`
`03:19.55`	`chouimat`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`03:19.59`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`03:21.20`	`SoopaKDE`	`it ran through everything without error, but only the ozbase..ipk package was built`
`03:21.32`	`kenb`	`you need to select all the packages`
`03:21.34`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: then you didnt set a sane config`
`03:21.37`	`kenb`	`In the packages submenu`
`03:21.40`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make`
`03:21.45`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: _guaranteed_ that works.`
`03:22.13`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:22.51`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: clone's underway`
`03:22.56`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: i think I found my problem.
`03:23.08`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl stop being a bofh
`03:23.08`	`kenb`	`I needed to have arm-linux-gcc in $PATH before running make`
`03:23.11`	kergoth`bbl	`my last clone was this morning, but i changed shit since then`
`03:23.13`	`Davv`	`In OZrc2 is there a way to break out of the bootup scripts so opie does not run? I get a buss error and my screen gets botched when OPIE tries to load.`
`03:23.19`	`SoopaKDE`	`ok.. lemme try`
`03:23.19`	kergoth`bbl	`Davv: nope`
`03:23.24`	kergoth`bbl	`Davv: boot menu isnt due for inclusion until 3.1 final`
`03:23.28`	`Davv`	`kergoth: k.. thanx`
`03:23.32`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: I (mistakenly) assumed that Vars would set PATH properly.
`03:23.42`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: it is supposed to, based on your crosscompiler path`
`03:23.52`	kergoth`bbl	`is your path wrong in .config?`
`03:23.54`	`kenb`	`well, then it failed for some reason.`
`03:24.01`	kergoth`bbl	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:24.04`	`dep`	`Davv: you may still be able to ssh to the z and fix the problem`
`03:24.11`	kergoth`bbl	`and gccver needs to be 2.95.3 if /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 is the path`
`03:24.12`	`kenb`	`lemme double check`
`03:24.40`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: where in .config is the cross compile path?
`03:24.40`	`Davv`	`dep: yep.. I'll try that as a last resort. :)`
`03:24.59`	kergoth`bbl	`vi .. /CROSS<cr>`
`03:25.25`	`dep`	`Davv: if you can get logged in to it, then ipkg update and ipkg upgrade might fix it`
`03:25.29`	`kenb`	`CONFIG_TOOLCHAINPATH="/usr/local/arm"`
`03:25.34`	kergoth`bbl	`and GCCVER?`
`03:25.46`	`kenb`	`# ls /usr/local/arm`
`03:25.46`	`kenb`	`2.95.3 stamps`
`03:25.49`	kergoth`bbl	`no`
`03:25.54`	kergoth`bbl	`GCCVER, in the .config`
`03:25.56`	kergoth`bbl	`is it 2.95.3?`
`03:26.02`	`kenb`	`CONFIG_USERGCCVER="2.95.3"`
`03:26.08`	`Davv`	`dep: yeah.. I'll have to tinker with that idea. Can't do by wireless.. since that needs manual tweaking to get started. And IP over USB isn't going to happen (today.. at least).`
`03:26.51`	kergoth`bbl	`wireless shouldnt require any tweaking..`
`03:27.01`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: my clean build is running to verify`
`03:27.10`	kergoth`bbl	`with my PATH not containing /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin`
`03:27.17`	kergoth`bbl	`building ipkg-x86 atm`
`03:27.41`	`kenb`	`k`
`03:27.42`	`Davv`	`kergoth: just my settings for wireless need tweaking.. eg (I didn't configure it properly through the GUI.. I usually just do it from a command shell.`
`03:27.46`	kergoth`bbl	`ah`
`03:28.12`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: I'm confirming a suspicion
`03:28.15`	kergoth`bbl	`k`
`03:28.26`	kergoth`bbl	`my kernel is extracting, takes a bit, this drive is slow`
`03:28.40`	`kenb`	`When I made it work, i pointed it to the /opt/Embedix toolchain`
`03:28.49`	`kenb`	`(ie: $PATH)`
`03:29.03`	`kenb`	`so I'm manually pointing it to /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin now`
`03:29.05`	kergoth`bbl	`ah, so it coudl be something with the /usr/local/arm toolchain`
`03:29.06`	kergoth`bbl	`k`
`03:29.14`	`kenb`	`will know in a few seconds`
`03:29.41`	`kenb`	`I need to get this on a faster machine`
`03:30.09`	kergoth`bbl	`well, its running arm-linux-gcc`
`03:30.12`	`kenb`	`yes`
`03:30.13`	kergoth`bbl	`despite its not being in my path`
`03:30.15`	`kenb`	`it did that for me too`
`03:30.20`	kergoth`bbl	`so the PATH set is correct.`
`03:30.25`	`kenb`	`yup`
`03:30.26`	kergoth`bbl	`build's running`
`03:30.37`	`kenb`	`failure!`
`03:30.41`	kergoth`bbl	`well, then we know the buildroot did properly set the path.`
`03:30.44`	`kenb`	`arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/z/bk/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o suspend.o suspend.S`
`03:30.45`	`kenb`	`suspend.S: Assembler messages:`
`03:30.45`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:62: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`03:30.45`	`kenb`	`suspend.S:344: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up`
`03:30.45`	`kenb`	`make[2]: *** [suspend.o] Error 1`
`03:30.46`	`kenb`	`Yes.`
`03:30.48`	kergoth`bbl	`it doesnt like your /usr/local/arm toolchain`
`03:30.54`	`kenb`	`it's a problem with the 2.95.3 toolchain.`
`03:31.04`	`kenb`	`it builds for quite awhile`
`03:31.05`	kergoth`bbl	`we'll see what happens on mine, its chugging away now`
`03:31.10`	`kenb`	`bombs out at the end :(`
`03:31.11`	`treke\|home`	`download a new coupy of the toolchain`
`03:31.13`	kergoth`bbl	`yeah, suspend is a way down the line`
`03:31.17`	kergoth`bbl	`ways`
`03:31.17`	`treke\|home`	`I built a kernel earlier`
`03:31.26`	kergoth`bbl	`I build c700's kernel, i havent tried 2.4.6 in a while`
`03:31.41`	`treke\|home`	`oh yeah, this was .18`
`03:31.49`	`kenb`	`tre: If I use lineo's /opt/Embedix chain, it works fine...`
`03:32.01`	kergoth`bbl	`yeah, and th epoint is it may be _your_ /usr/local/arm toolchain thats hosed`
`03:32.06`	kergoth`bbl	`we'll see in a moment`
`03:32.14`	`kenb`	`that's possible`
`03:32.38`	kergoth`bbl	`no its not the pixies, its the gnomes`
`03:32.45`	kergoth`bbl	`the little bastards used to eat my MTD devices`
`03:32.49`	`kenb`	`hehe`
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`03:33.11`	`ljp`	`its the trolls`
`03:33.16`	`treke\|home`	`damn trolls`
`03:33.21`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:33.26`	`kenb`	`~lart trolls`
`03:33.37`	kergoth`bbl	`ibot should check if its plural`
`03:33.37`		kergoth`bbl: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
`03:33.38`	`treke\|home`	ulyx, praise kergoth`bbl
`03:33.43`	kergoth`bbl	`and make it 'them' instead of 'him'`
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`03:34.06`	`kenb`	`or at least not assume it's a male`
`03:34.29`	kergoth`bbl	`or jsut make it 'em`
`03:34.34`	kergoth`bbl	`drools on 'em`
`03:34.38`	kergoth`bbl	`that'd fit no matter what`
`03:34.39`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:34.39`	`kenb`	`that works too`
`03:34.41`	`dancl`	`Are there any CF/Wireless issues with OZ3.1rc2?`
`03:34.53`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: for linksys cards you need to upgrade to hostap-modules from unstable`
`03:34.58`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: as noted on the mailing lists on numerous occasions`
`03:35.01`	`kenb`	`dancl: possibly. depends on what card you have.`
`03:35.02`	`dancl`	`kergoth - I've done that.`
`03:35.07`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: beyond that, monitor mode / kismet isnt working`
`03:35.11`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: then you did so but didnt reboot.,`
`03:35.13`	`dancl`	`It's detecting the card down, but I can't get an ip addy.`
`03:35.23`	kergoth`bbl	`ah, well its confirmed to work`
`03:35.25`	kergoth`bbl	`iwconfig wlan0`
`03:35.27`	kergoth`bbl	`ifconfig -a`
`03:35.33`	kergoth`bbl	`confirm iwconfig reflects the proper information`
`03:35.44`	`dancl`	`udhcp returns SIOCGIFINDEX failed!: No such device`
`03:35.55`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: then its not associated with your AP`
`03:36.04`	kergoth`bbl	`again, check iwconfig`
`03:36.37`	`dancl`	`iwconfig says if found my ap`
`03:36.46`	kergoth`bbl	`the key is correct?`
`03:36.49`	kergoth`bbl	`it shows the MAC address?`
`03:36.52`	kergoth`bbl	`mode is Managed?`
`03:37.02`	kergoth`bbl	`it shows _sane_ values for signal strength?`
`03:37.04`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: hows yer build ?
`03:37.08`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: still going`
`03:37.10`	kergoth`bbl	`slow box`
`03:37.13`	`dancl`	`-40 dBm`
`03:37.14`	kergoth`bbl	`SMP p2 450`
`03:37.17`	kergoth`bbl	`but i'm not running make -j`
`03:37.20`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: thats not sane.`
`03:37.33`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: it hasnt associated. run dmesg and check for messages from the hostap driver`
`03:37.43`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: hm.. and I was bitching about a p3/1130
`03:37.47`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:37.57`	kergoth`bbl	`thats my database server at work, nobody uses it but me`
`03:38.03`	`kenb`	`ah`
`03:38.07`	kergoth`bbl	`this box is a athlon tbird 1ghz, but its my gaming machine, and it runs win2k`
`03:38.09`	`dancl`	`I reloaded /etc/init.d/networking`
`03:38.19`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: kernel build 1 is complete`
`03:38.20`	`dancl`	`seemed to do the trick (perh a suspend issue)`
`03:38.24`	`dancl`	`?`
`03:38.24`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: its building the next memory combination now`
`03:38.30`	`kenb`	`hm.`
`03:38.33`	`dancl`	`Thanks for the help.`
`03:38.46`	kergoth`bbl	`i'd redownload your toolchain from http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/`
`03:39.01`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: no problem, if nothing else i hope you now have some tools to use in debugging if you ever run into problems again`
`03:39.14`	`dancl`	`Such as?`
`03:39.22`	`dancl`	`Right nevermind.`
`03:39.23`	kergoth`bbl	`iwconfig, dmesg, ifconfig`
`03:39.24`	kergoth`bbl	`:)`
`03:39.36`	`dancl`	`I knew all but iwconfig.`
`03:39.41`	`dancl`	`Tat's for wireless?`
`03:39.44`	kergoth`bbl	`yup`
`03:39.46`	kergoth`bbl	`from wireless-tools`
`03:39.57`	`crow`	kergoth`bbl: Would you be willing to make a tar file of OZ's root file system available for download for future releases?
`03:40.04`	kergoth`bbl	`crow: yep, its in the plans`
`03:40.12`	`crow`	`cool, for rc3?`
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`03:40.25`	kergoth`bbl	`yeah, though it wont be on the download page directly unless noda adds it in time`
`03:40.40`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: okay, replacing toolchain
`03:40.40`	`crow`	`Great!!`
`03:40.54`	`dancl`	`Is there a place with more verbose descriptions for the software on the feeds?`
`03:40.55`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl: finished with the logs?
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`03:41.08`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: not really, if you want to submit proper descriptions let me know and i'll add them to packages`
`03:41.20`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: naw, just about but havent messed with it since i was at work`
`03:41.23`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: ill throw it on the wiki as is`
`03:42.45`	`ljp`	`wikiwaki`
`03:43.38`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: what does the workaround patch for apmd do?
`03:43.45`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: long story`
`03:43.46`	kergoth`bbl	`basically`
`03:43.49`	kergoth`bbl	`if you run apm -s`
`03:43.51`	kergoth`bbl	`with apmd running`
`03:43.54`	kergoth`bbl	`your Z never wakes back up`
`03:43.55`	kergoth`bbl	`ever`
`03:43.59`	`treke\|home`	`ag`
`03:44.02`	kergoth`bbl	`so what we do is`
`03:44.10`	kergoth`bbl	`catch a signal in apmd, becaues it turns out if _apmd_ does it, it works`
`03:44.17`	kergoth`bbl	`so apm is just a script that signals apmd to suspend`
`03:44.26`	`treke\|home`	`interesting`
`03:44.29`	kergoth`bbl	`which is why people report a delay.. it hits apmd's event loop`
`03:44.34`	kergoth`bbl	`and it suspends on the next pass`
`03:44.38`	kergoth`bbl	`its a gross hack`
`03:44.42`	kergoth`bbl	`for a problem inthe apm implementation`
`03:44.46`	kergoth`bbl	`which i dont want to bother digging into`
`03:45.53`	`SoopaKDE`	`arg...`
`03:45.53`	`SoopaKDE`	`damn stupid thing errorer`
`03:46.08`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: that anything that would be fixed in 2.4.19?
`03:46.36`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: hopefully`
`03:46.40`	`treke\|home`	`cool`
`03:46.47`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: jamey and sandman were working on a port of the x86 apm implementation to arm as well`
`03:46.54`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: i want to utilize that when it comes to fruition`
`03:46.55`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: any progress on SD/MMC stuff ?
`03:46.57`	kergoth`bbl	`which we know will work`
`03:47.00`	kergoth`bbl	`ARGH`
`03:47.02`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: go read the news page`
`03:47.02`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: read the news
`03:47.06`	`dancl`	`Does anyone know the cause of the quirk where the sandsik mmc unmounts on suspend?`
`03:47.13`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: the big obvious part where i say "dont pester me about sd until post-3.1 final"`
`03:47.25`	kergoth`bbl	`ulyx: lart kenb`
`03:47.30`	kergoth`bbl	`haha`
`03:47.40`	`dancl`	`Is it a hardware issue or a kernel thing?`
`03:47.52`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: I've never heard of that behavior.`
`03:48.01`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: either way its in closed source apps we have no control over`
`03:48.08`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: sharp's sd daemon and module`
`03:48.16`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: you appear to have been correct on the arm toolchain corruption.
`03:48.21`	kergoth`bbl	`it _could_ be a bug in /etc/sdcontrol, but i doubt it`
`03:48.32`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: if you're at OLS this year, I will buy you many drinks.
`03:48.51`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: Afaict either prpplague or jasonnj are looking to drag my ass up there`
`03:49.02`	`treke\|home`	`where is OLS?`
`03:49.06`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: canada`
`03:49.07`	kergoth`bbl	`ibot: ols`
`03:49.08`		`well, ols is Ottawa Linux Symposium or http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2003/`
`03:49.09`	`chouimat`	`OTTAWA`
`03:49.12`	`treke\|home`	`fuck that`
`03:49.12`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`03:49.20`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: all the linux kenrel hackers are there`
`03:49.25`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: its not marketing bullshit`
`03:49.30`	`treke\|home`	`dammit. this movie is subtitled. cant watch it and work on oz`
`03:50.40`	`chouimat`	`huh? 325CAD ...`
`03:51.13`	`dancl`	`kergoth: Thanks. Some mmc cards (of course it's the cheap sandsik cards) dissapear after a suspend (you have to eject and re-insert them). It's a problem with the stock rom (and if there's a closed source bit that would probably explain it)`
`03:51.29`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: sharp's sd support has always sucked`
`03:51.34`	kergoth`bbl	`dancl: its had timing issues from the beginning`
`03:51.48`	`dancl`	`It's a shame.`
`03:51.54`	kergoth`bbl	`indeed`
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`03:56.06`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart clark for being such an asshole`
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`03:56.38`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart clark for being such an asshole`
`03:58.46`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart clark kent`
`03:59.27`	kergoth`bbl	`ulyx: fortune SP`
`03:59.28`	`ulyx`	`What would Brian Botano do?`
`03:59.52`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: i cant believe he didnt see that she was nearly as hurt by his telling cloey the truth as by kissing her? all he had to do was tell her`
`03:59.53`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune dune`
`03:59.53`	`ulyx`	`This Fremen religious adaptation, then, is the source of what we now recognize as "The Pillars of the Universe," whose Qizara Tafwid are among us all with signs and proofs and prophecy. They bring us the Arrakeen mystical fusion whose profound beauty is typified by the stirring music built on the old forms, but stamped with the new awakening. Who has not heard and been deeply moved by "The Old Man's Hymn"?`
`03:59.53`	`ulyx`	`I drove my feet through a desert Whose mirage fluttered like a host. Voracious for glory, greedy for danger, I roamed the horizons of al-Kulab, Watching time level mountains In its search and its hunger for me. And I saw the sparrows swiftly approach, Bolder than the onrushing wolf. They spread in the tree of my youth. I heard the flock in my branches And was caught on their`
`03:59.54`	`ulyx`	`beaks and claws! -- from "Arrakis Awakening" by the Princess Irulan`
`04:00.26`	`chouimat`	kergoth`bbl: I know ... ok Babylon5 on tv back later
`04:00.30`	kergoth`bbl	`chouimat: later`
`04:01.11`	`chouimat`	`hmmm I need a video stabilizer`
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`04:01.21`	kergoth`bbl	`crow: wb`
`04:01.41`	`crow`	`thanks, got knocked off`
`04:05.31`	kergoth`bbl	`shit`
`04:05.34`	kergoth`bbl	`adrenaline rush wore off`
`04:05.43`	kergoth`bbl	`now im not gonna get the house clean`
`04:05.44`	kergoth`bbl	`ah well`
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`04:06.10`	`treke\|home`	`its for the best`
`04:06.14`	kergoth`bbl	`i know, i 'll wait and clean it sunday!`
`04:06.18`	kergoth`bbl	`heheh`
`04:06.23`	kergoth`bbl	`thats what i said last week`
`04:06.25`	`treke\|home`	`tell one of your lazy ass roomates to do it`
`04:06.33`	kergoth`bbl	`i have one, and he's a trucker`
`04:06.39`	`treke\|home`	`maybe not`
`04:06.39`	kergoth`bbl	`he's only here 2 days every 2 weeks`
`04:06.42`	kergoth`bbl	`so he aint here`
`04:06.42`	kergoth`bbl	`heh`
`04:06.48`	kergoth`bbl	`its sweet though, i get rent`
`04:06.49`	kergoth`bbl	`and he's never here`
`04:06.51`	kergoth`bbl	`heh!`
`04:06.56`	`treke\|home`	`hmmm, if he pays his rent ontime thats a damn good deal`
`04:07.01`	kergoth`bbl	`yea`
`04:13.17`	`treke\|home`	`sweet. it worked this time`
`04:15.06`	`SoopaKDE`	`kergoth, is there a way to build my own kernel (not the 2.4.6 one that seems to be set for arm)?`
`04:15.23`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: add one.`
`04:15.26`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: read docs/`
`04:15.31`	`treke\|home`	`SoopaKDE: add it to the config.in`
`04:15.45`	`treke\|home`	`the docs are relativily self explanitory`
`04:15.45`	`SoopaKDE`	`alrite`
`04:16.24`	`mrwoody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`04:16.24`	`ulyx`	`mrwoody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`04:16.41`	`treke\|home`	`most of my problems were with figuring out the Makefile, not witht he config :)`
`04:16.58`	kergoth`bbl	`hehe`
`04:17.02`	kergoth`bbl	`the config system is pretty easy`
`04:21.33`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: how would you go about trying to detect a file system on a partition? or should I just make that a manual step for the nvrd module?
`04:21.58`	kergoth`bbl	`hmm, elaborate`
`04:24.29`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: NVRD doesnt provide a file system for your ram disk, just the device. You have to create an ext3/reiser/vfat/whatever fs on top of it. I'm trying to think of a way to reliably detect if the partition is not there and create it in an init script
`04:24.37`	`treke\|home`	`but now that I think of it, i dont think it can be done reliably`
`04:24.39`	`kenb`	`meh. damn buildroot apmd patch errors.`
`04:24.46`	`SoopaKDE`	make[2]: Entering directory `/root/Desktop/buildroot-exported/packages/kernel-2.4.19' File /root/Desktop/buildroot-exported/sources/bk://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie does not exist make[2]: *** [/root/Desktop/buildroot-exported/stamps/.kernel-
`04:25.04`	`SoopaKDE`	`why does it all of a sudden revert back to bk?`
`04:25.14`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: attempt to mount the device directly, if that fails, attempt to mount the first partition, if that fails, create new`
`04:25.19`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: dont build 2.4.19.`
`04:25.22`	kergoth`bbl	`SoopaKDE: it will not build`
`04:25.30`	`treke\|home`	`since a user may have decided to use a different file system type than I chose`
`04:25.31`	`SoopaKDE`	`ok`
`04:25.42`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: No partitions, just a device.
`04:25.59`	`treke\|home`	`you get /dev/nvrd/0 and you make your file system there.`
`04:25.59`	kergoth`bbl	`dont choose`
`04:26.01`	kergoth`bbl	`let mount autodetect`
`04:26.06`	`treke\|home`	`ah`
`04:26.10`	kergoth`bbl	`if mount fails, mkfs`
`04:26.15`	`treke\|home`	`ok`
`04:26.46`	`kenb`	kergoth`bbl: there a fix for the apmd patch not applying anymore?
`04:26.54`	kergoth`bbl	`kenb: yeah, treke just sent it to me`
`04:27.07`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: we will need a /etc/filesystems`
`04:27.08`	`kenb`	`k`
`04:27.12`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: did they add that in familiar yet?`
`04:27.14`	`treke\|home`	`I dont know if it will suspend correctly on the Z, but it works here`
`04:27.18`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: it sets the fs's to try, and in what order`
`04:27.28`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: without that, it wont modprobe the various filesystem modules to try them`
`04:27.31`	`treke\|home`	kergoth`bbl: let me check, I have a familiar filesystem around :)
`04:27.57`	`treke\|home`	`nope, none in 0.6`
`04:28.32`	kergoth`bbl	`it was discussed a while back`
`04:28.38`	kergoth`bbl	`we'll add one, since you have fielsystems as modules`
`04:29.05`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: its of the same format as /proc/filesystems`
`04:29.11`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: single filesystem per line, they're tried in order`
`04:29.26`	`mrwoody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`04:29.27`	`ulyx`	`mrwoody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
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`04:30.03`	`treke\|home`	`so if its the same format as /proc/filesystems.... why the hell doesnt mount use that :)`
`04:30.32`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: it does,.`
`04:30.44`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: and /proc/filesystmes odesnt contain filesystems for which their modules arentl oaded.`
`04:30.47`	kergoth`bbl	`treke\|home: :)`
`04:30.53`	`treke\|home`	`ah`
`04:30.56`	`treke\|home`	`makes sense`
`04:34.29`	`kergoth`	`tired of typing the whole thing?`
`04:34.56`	`treke\|home`	`nah, just think it would be better to append the mem line to the current args as opposed to overwriting it`
`04:35.39`	`treke\|home`	`with nvrd you typically add a line to /boot/params`
`04:36.01`	`treke\|home`	`which the bootldr reads`
`04:36.20`	`kergoth`	`hmm, but isnt nvrd a module?`
`04:36.27`	`kergoth`	`oh, for mem=`
`04:36.28`	`kergoth`	`n/m`
`04:36.49`	`treke\|home`	`yeah`
`04:37.52`	`treke\|home`	`hmmm. might have to work out a couple of things first. Since you need to pass in the amount of memory a couple places :)`
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`04:38.00`	`kergoth`	`for the Z i'd probably have to try to dd the zImage out of its mtd partition, manually hack the params in the zImage ala rdev, then dd it back`
`04:38.04`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:38.24`	`treke\|home`	`ouch`
`04:38.29`	`badalex`	`kergoth: lol @ silly questions /dev/null`
`04:38.36`	`treke\|home`	`at least I just need to coerce some text files :)`
`04:39.53`	`kergoth`	`badalex: #zaurus is fun sometimes`
`04:40.11`	`badalex`	`heh`
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`05:02.39`	`ljp`	`sigh`
`05:07.11`	`Davv`	`geesh.. took me 22 minutes to flash to OZ3rc2 again... took 5 or less the first time.`
`05:08.07`	`Davv`	`I wonder why it varies.... same hardware.... hmmm`
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`05:35.49`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
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`05:38.31`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`kergoth: any news about the locomo docs?`
`05:38.49`	`effy-kun`	`kergoth, yeah, what's up with them? ;)`
`05:39.25`	`kergoth`	`havent heard anything from spencer confirming the receipt of the nda`
`05:39.28`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`05:40.01`	`effy-kun`	`I thought you said you had ;)`
`05:40.06`	`effy-kun`	`I havent heard a peep from him`
`05:40.10`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`i'm off`
`05:41.08`	`effy-kun`	`you out?`
`05:41.09`	`effy-kun`	`:(`
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`07:45.45`	`schurig`	`bye, bye, dear PicoBot :-(`
`07:56.48`	`Twiun`	`hiya schurig`
`08:31.58`	`schurig`	`Twiun: hiya!`
`08:40.28`	`Twiun`	`<-- reading the ioccc entries`
`08:40.42`	`Twiun`	`speech synth in 2k... not bad :)`
`08:46.56`	`schurig`	`Twiun: in 2 kB? Where?`
`08:47.03`	`\|\|ugh`	`www.ioccc.org`
`08:48.38`	`schurig`	`Twiun: so, the speech synth was in IOCCC 2001?`
`08:48.55`	`Twiun`	`yeah, it's only for a small subset of (speech) though :)`
`08:48.57`	`Twiun`	`9 phonemes`
`08:49.35`	`Twiun`	`and sampling at 4kHz means it's not going to be easily understandable...`
`08:49.54`	`Twiun`	`However, 2k is a bit extreme... I'd be happy with 50k ;)`
`08:51.37`	`schurig`	`one should write a gzip2 compressor that compresses c and c++ code using the preprozessor ...`
`08:53.08`	`Twiun`	`it's quite possible there's something like that in the older contests`
`08:55.45`	`\|\|ugh`	`Reading the old winners is quite the education, makes you want to program in something REALLY differt at times!`
`08:57.14`	`Twiun`	`worst times is when you think you've found company code that looks like an entry`
`09:01.47`	`\|\|ugh`	`Maybe it's when someone you think is on top of things defends things that might as well be entrys...`
`09:10.47`	`tronical`	`schurig: are you familiar with the new dependency generation stuff kergoth pushed?`
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`09:23.15`	`tronical`	`schurig: nevemrind :)`
`09:24.39`	`schurig`	`tronical: no, not`
`09:25.25`	`schurig`	`tronical: he just said yesterday evening that packages/Makefile will be generated from the config.in information`
`09:27.07`	`tronical`	`yes, and in an attempt to fix the toolchain build I was trying to figure out how to do implicit dependencies. but I already found an example of usage in the 2.5 kernel tree :)`
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`09:33.45`	`tronical`	`schurig: hrnm, not fully getting there tho. got a second for a kconfig question? :)`
`09:33.54`	`schurig`	`tronical: yes`
`09:35.30`	`tronical`	`schurig: I'm trying to make gcc-3.2 depend on gcc-3.2-initial. I added a gcc-3.2-initial/config.in with a config GCC_3.2-INITIAL \n bool \n default y and made GCC-3.2 depend on GCC-3.2-INITIAL on gcc-3.2/config.in . but for some reason it does not set CONFIG_GCC-3.2-INITIAL at all in .config when I select CONFIG_GCC-3.2 :(`
`09:36.29`	`schurig`	`tronical: I would NOT make gcc-3.2-initial be visible in the config system. No one uses initial, it's just an intermediary step to get what we want.`
`09:37.12`	`tronical`	`schurig: yes, I don't want it visible in the config the user sees, but it I think I need it as implicit config variable in .config`
`09:37.38`	`schurig`	`tronical: everything in the config.in files is visible, as far as I know.`
`09:37.42`	`tronical`	`schurig: hrm, and gcc 3.2 is not shown as option in the menu anymore because it depends on the -initial ;(`
`09:38.16`	`tronical`	`schurig: somehow the kernel can do it as well (like with CONFIG_CMPXCHG, which is not visible in the menu either)`
`09:38.24`	`schurig`	`so, how did you then select CONFIG_GCC-3.2?`
`09:38.45`	`tronical`	`I just realize I cannot select it because it depends on the -INITIAL which has no text and is therefore not selectable ;(`
`09:39.15`	`schurig`	`tronical: because you wrote earlier that you selected it ... is this CMPXCHG thingy from 2.4 or 2.5 kernel?`
`09:39.32`	`tronical`	`schurig: (yeah, I selected it before I made the config changes, thought they would persist :)`
`09:39.54`	`tronical`	`schurig: it's actually in both. in 2.4 it's implemented using shell commands and define_bool, in 2.5 it's done the way I tried it now`
`09:40.00`	`schurig`	`tronical: yes, after changing config.in it's helpful to "make oldconfig" to see what happens in the .config file ...`
`09:40.08`	`tronical`	`schurig: but it looks like in 2.5 it works because in the default config there is CMPXCHG=y ;(`
`09:40.45`	`tronical`	`looks like a def-configs/toolchain-3.2 is in order`
`09:41.17`	`schurig`	`tronical: I'm not too well into 2.5 to give you a sane answer ...`
`09:41.40`	`tronical`	`I'll poke around and bug kergoth when he wakes up :)`
`09:43.58`	`schurig`	`tronical: I think you should not do this with tweaking the kconfig system, just reunite gcc-3.2 and gcc-3.2-initial. The -initial package isn't a package anyway, it's some kind of artificial stuff. I guess one can as well make this into one package, thats way cleaner.`
`09:44.27`	`tronical`	`schurig: problem is that there is an intermediate build step between -initial and -final, glibc...`
`09:44.55`	`tronical`	`schurig: is there a way to enable two CONFIG_FOO's in one item?`
`09:45.10`	`schurig`	`tronical: but even this is glibc-initial. As far as I know, once you have gcc-3.2-final, you have to make your glibc again, do you?`
`09:45.41`	`tronical`	`currently it's all in one, like the glibc is built only once`
`09:45.50`	`schurig`	`tronical: No, there's no way. If there would be a way, we would have virtual targets`
`09:46.03`	`tronical`	`(although I never tried building a toolchain and oz in one run, I usually have two trees and build a toolchain in one only :)`
`09:46.08`	`tronical`	`ahh, bummer`
`10:12.05`	`mickeyl`	`mmh... buildroot doesn't build`
`10:12.26`	`mickeyl`	Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp'
`10:12.26`	`mickeyl`	Makefile.am:7: `CFLAGS' is a user variable, you should not override it;
`10:12.26`	`mickeyl`	Makefile.am:7: use `AM_CFLAGS' instead.
`10:12.26`	`mickeyl`	replace/Makefile.am:4: required file `replace/malloc.c' not found
`10:12.26`	`mickeyl`	`make[2]: *** [/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary] Fehler 1`
`10:12.29`	`mickeyl`	`any ideas?`
`10:14.20`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: either install automake 1.4 or edit build/ipkg-x86/C/configure.ac and remove the AC_MALLOC (or the like) macro call`
`10:15.20`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: ah, yeah, i updated automake yesterday to build gideon sigh`
`10:15.47`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: is it safe to remove AC_MALLOC ?`
`10:15.54`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: yes, I believe so.`
`10:16.16`	`tronical`	`(or was it AC_FUNC_MALLOC?)`
`10:16.43`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: IIRC it's just to toggle a stub in case there is no malloc on the system (eh? no malloc? what is that? :)`
`10:16.53`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: hehe, ok.`
`10:17.02`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: an unrelated question for the kde insider :)`
`10:17.15`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: what is all the virtual_hook stuff for I see in every kde class?`
`10:17.55`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: it's a (more or less evil) hack to allow adding pseudo-virtual methods in a binary compatible manner`
`10:18.16`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: problem is that it's not particularly beautiful in the usage (re-implementation)`
`10:19.29`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: ah, i see. i guess i can leave this out for the opie classes then.`
`10:24.02`	`schurig`	`I have a build problem:`
`10:24.04`	`schurig`	`gcc -o make_hash -I/usr/src/ramses/oz/build/ncurses-5.3.20021109.orig/include -I/usr/src/ramses/oz/build/ncurses-5.3.20021109.orig/ncurses -DMAIN_PROGRAM ./tinfo/comp_hash.c -L/usr/src/ramses/oz/output/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/src/ramses/oz/output/staging/arm-linux/lib`
`10:24.09`	`schurig`	`/usr/src/ramses/oz/output/staging/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2: could not read symbols: Invalid operation`
`10:24.19`	`schurig`	`so, what does this tell us?`
`10:24.54`	`mickeyl`	`schurig: this tells us that you also must catch up with the enhanced staging dir which caused me _lots_ of work`
`10:25.09`	`schurig`	`?`
`10:26.12`	`schurig`	`mickeyl: can you elaborate?`
`10:26.52`	`mickeyl`	`schurig: sounds like there is a mix of arm and i86 libraries`
`10:27.11`	`mickeyl`	`schurig: in your path`
`10:27.52`	`mickeyl`	`i had to adapt lots of things, because i86 binaries moved from $(STAGING_DIR) to $(STAGING_DIR)/$(BUILD_SYS)`
`10:28.04`	`schurig`	`maybe not in my path ... it calls gcc, but there is the -Wl,-rpath-link that points to some arm-lib. Maybe someone did add a global LD_FLAGS or so ..`
`10:28.23`	`mickeyl`	`might be...`
`10:36.45`	`schurig`	`found it, HOSTLDFLAGS was set to LDFLAGS`
`10:39.03`	`mickeyl`	`ah.`
`10:47.36`	`schurig`	`mickeyl: fix has been bk push'ed`
`10:48.49`	`mickeyl`	`schurig: ok - hope it doesn't break something else.`
`10:49.20`	`schurig`	`:-)`
`10:52.31`	`schurig`	`mickeyl: does readline compile on your system? Here it breaks during configure, the test for mbstate_t claims that it can not run on a cross-compiling system`
`10:55.36`	`mickeyl`	`last time i build it worked fine.`
`10:55.58`	`mickeyl`	`maybe the patch didn't apply?`
`10:56.02`	`schurig`	`checking for mbstate_t... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling`
`10:56.08`	`schurig`	`is the error`
`10:56.25`	`mickeyl`	`hmm... i'll try soon here`
`10:57.29`	`schurig`	`mickeyl: Hmm, it looks like the patch did indeed not apply`
`10:58.01`	`mickeyl`	`schurig: builds fine here`
`10:58.23`	`mickeyl`	`something wrong with your buildsystem?`
`11:03.16`	`schurig`	`mickeyl: looks like an error in scripts/patcher`
`11:21.49`	`mickeyl`	`d'oh! qt-embedded-2.3.4-beta5 has been released`
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`13:26.43`	`ulyx`	`Laze: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`13:29.33`	`supermatt`	`ulyx: roulette`
`13:29.33`	`ulyx`	`supermatt: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`13:29.49`	`supermatt`	`ulyx: roulette`
`13:29.50`	`ulyx`	`supermatt: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`13:29.52`	`kenb`	`hm`
`13:29.58`	`kenb`	`my Z has opt'd not to boot anymore.`
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`13:32.33`	`kenb`	`wrong window..`
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`14:51.03`	`nagROM`	`does anyone know of a very small form factor computer that i could use to aquire data from temperature and humidity sensors then make adjustments based on the data?`
`14:51.43`	`nagROM`	`it would only need to read 8 sensors then control 8 pieces of hardware.`
`14:54.25`	`nagROM`	`and obviously it doesn't need too much power but i would like it to be able to handle a simple database and webserver that can store all the information and output it as a graph or something.`
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`15:31.25`	`icefox`	`Anyone know of a tool that will simply eat up a chunk of memory`
`15:31.26`	`icefox`	`(that can't be swapped) to test smaller memory configurations?`
`15:34.37`	`pb_`	`can't you just boot with mem=8M or something?`
`15:35.22`	`kenb`	`yea...`
`15:40.12`	`icefox`	`hey :-D`
`15:40.18`	`icefox`	`hmm wonder how you would do that on the z....`
`15:41.47`	`schurig`	`icefox: either from the boatloader on the command line`
`15:41.55`	`schurig`	`... or you recompile a kernel with your own commandline`
`15:41.58`	`icefox`	`ok`
`15:42.18`	`schurig`	`but then you could also write a linux kernel module that just does request some memory`
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`16:01.39`	`chouimat`	`morning`
`16:01.59`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: fortune`
`16:01.59`	`supermatt`	`ulyx: lart chouimat`
`16:02.00`	`ulyx`	`Missionary Position: The missionary on top.`
`16:02.01`	`supermatt`	`;)`
`16:02.23`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: lart supermatt`
`16:03.32`	`schurig`	`ulyx: lart yourself`
`16:03.44`	`schurig`	`chouimat: moin!`
`16:07.31`	`schurig`	`chouimat: so, what's up?`
`16:10.18`	`icefox`	`Offtopic: Unicron Photos! http://www.transfandom.net/forums/index.php?s=4a86e77ccf72df93231012fa621e76f6&act=ST&f=7&t=742`
`16:10.18`	`icefox`	`hehe`
`16:14.17`	`chouimat`	`schurig: pas grand chose`
`16:14.47`	`schurig`	`chouimat: je ne parle francaise`
`16:14.52`	`schurig`	`(or however one writes that)`
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`16:15.04`	`chouimat`	`schurig: hehe, nothing`
`16:17.41`	`eprom`	`on aurait cru :)`
`16:18.12`	`schurig`	`voulez vou couchez avec ...`
`16:18.34`	`eprom`	`hehe`
`16:20.01`	`schurig`	`eprom: why do you say everything twice?`
`16:20.53`	`eprom`	`it's arrive, when i stress behind my keyboard :)`
`16:21.20`	`chouimat`	`ulyx eprom`
`16:21.31`	`chouimat`	`ulyx lart eprom`
`16:22.23`	`eprom`	`:)`
`16:24.44`	`chouimat`	`kenb: ping`
`16:28.00`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: fortune homer`
`16:28.01`	`ulyx`	`Ohh, my son doesn't stand a chance! The whole world has gone gay! -- Homer Simpson Homer's Phobia`
`16:29.55`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`16:29.55`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`16:30.19`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: fortune homer`
`16:30.20`	`ulyx`	`Oh, I always wanted to be a teamster. So lazy and surly. -- Homer Simpson Radioactive Man`
`16:30.31`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: fortune hitchhiker`
`16:30.33`	`ulyx`	"`You ARE Zaphod Beeblebrox?' `Yeah,' said Zaphod, `but don't shout it out or they'll all want one.' `THE Zaphod Beeblebrox?' `No, just A Zaphod Bebblebrox, didn't you hear I come in six packs?' `But sir,' it squealed, `I just heard on the sub-ether radio report. It said you were dead...' `Yeah, that's right, I just haven't stopped moving yet.'" - Zaphod and the Guide's receptionist.
`16:31.25`	`ljp_work`	`spam`
`16:31.29`	`*** join/#openembedded JasonNJ (~perlow@ool-435125f3.dyn.optonline.net)`
`16:31.52`	`chouimat`	`hey JasonNJ`
`16:32.01`	`chouimat`	`hi ljp_work`
`16:32.28`	`ljp_work`	`hola`
`16:34.47`	`chouimat`	`hmmmm Folgers Classic Roast Coffee (1KG) 3.47$ ... me think I will go buy 4 of them`
`16:41.01`	`schurig`	`hehe, kergoth will soon join, he is already writing e-mails ... :-)`
`16:41.20`	`supermatt`	`:)`
`16:43.31`	`supermatt`	`googling for zaurus feed doesnt even feature the openzaurus ones afaict`
`16:45.28`	`chouimat`	`schurig: hehe`
`16:45.52`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune`
`16:45.53`	`ulyx`	`Kill a commie for Christ!`
`16:45.58`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune homer`
`16:45.59`	`ulyx`	`Did you hear that, Marge? She called me a baboon! The stupidest, ugliest, smelliest ape of them all! -- Homer Simpson Lisa's Substitute`
`16:46.55`	`schurig`	`I wish ulyx would NOT know about roulette, lart and fortune. So there would be more zaurus-specific stuff here. Unfortunately people don't /msg ulyx ...`
`16:47.23`	`schurig`	`(hey, don't see that tooooooo hard, it's just that I see "oh, new text on the channel", switch to it and then ... it's nothing that really matters)`
`16:48.06`	`chouimat`	`hehe someone did a psychological studie of George W. Bush and Homer Simpsons ... the conclusions are Homer would do a better president`
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`16:52.15`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`16:52.20`	`chouimat`	`hey noda`
`16:55.00`	`icefox`	`MoOOoooOo`
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`17:06.53`	`chouimat`	`ibot: webpal`
`17:06.57`		`webpal is, like, a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/, or http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html, or only $13 + shipping!, or schematics are available from: http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/`
`17:15.41`	`supermatt`	`http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/contact is a bit out of date (#openzaurus)`
`17:15.55`	`supermatt`	`and irc.openprojects.org too`
`17:17.47`	`noda`	`Whee! Finally, I've gotten off my ass and found a gtk2 version of vim! :)`
`17:19.04`	`noda`	`Hrm, I think that means that I don't use any more gtk1 apps... oh, maybe grip.`
`17:19.35`	`schurig`	`what's grip?`
`17:19.51`	`treke`	`cd ripping software`
`17:19.58`	`noda`	`It's sweet :)`
`17:20.25`	`schurig`	`cd ripping from the Zaurus,cool :-)`
`17:20.44`	`noda`	`Huh? I'm not talking about my Z, this is entirely OT :P`
`17:21.08`	`noda`	`Though that's a good idea... hrm, is there a CD player that hooks up to cf? :P`
`17:21.24`	`treke`	`noda: Probably`
`17:21.39`	`noda`	`Well... whatever. Let's see how hard it is to convert to gtk2 :)`
`17:22.09`	`treke`	`cuz the toolkit is purty`
`17:22.26`	`RealUlli`	`noda: yes.`
`17:22.34`	`ljp_work`	`gtk? is purty?!?`
`17:23.09`	`RealUlli`	`noda: get a cf->pcmcia adaptor, a pcmcia scsi controller and an external scsi cdrom drive... ;-))`
`17:23.58`	`noda`	`Ooh fun`
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`17:27.30`	`nobse`	`Is it possible to lock the z when its on and opie is running?`
`17:27.49`	`treke`	`nobse: install opie-security`
`17:28.51`	`nobse`	`treke: There I can only defina a passcode, which I need to enter when I resume the Zaurus.`
`17:29.08`	`treke`	`right`
`17:29.24`	`treke`	`then suspend the ipaq :)`
`17:30.01`	`nobse`	`?`
`17:30.09`	`treke`	`er zaurus`
`17:30.24`	`nobse`	`Heh... that's not what I want. :)`
`17:36.17`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune SP`
`17:36.18`	`ulyx`	`I want this V-Chip out of me! It has stunted my vocabulary.`
`17:36.22`	`*** join/#openembedded JasonNJ (~perlow@ool-435125f3.dyn.optonline.net)`
`17:37.04`	`chouimat`	`hi JasonNJ`
`17:39.10`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`17:39.10`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`17:39.59`	`chouimat`	`ulyx: roulette`
`17:39.59`	`chouimat`	`[12:39:08] <ulyx> mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`17:39.59`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`17:40.25`	`chouimat`	`mr_woody: your turn :)`
`17:42.53`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette`
`17:42.54`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`17:48.09`	`Twiun`	`hi guys`
`17:48.37`	`carsten`	`hi`
`18:14.19`	`mickeyl`	`chouimat: i bet he is trying to get work done and doesn't want to be interrupted on irc :)`
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`18:21.01`	`icefox`	`ibot seen kergoth`
`18:21.01`		`kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 12h 41m 33s ago, saying: 'brb'.`
`18:21.28`	`icefox`	`hehe real quick`
`18:21.32`	`mickeyl`	`:)`
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`18:47.26`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`18:47.27`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`18:47.35`	`mr_woody`	`chouimat: your turn`
`18:47.38`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette stats`
`18:47.39`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 41 games completed, 184 shots fired at 21 players. Luckiest: numatrix (82.6% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: numatrix (73.3%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (13). Most deaths: mr_woody (12).`
`18:48.59`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette`
`18:49.00`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`18:49.31`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`18:49.31`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`18:50.20`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette`
`18:50.21`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`18:50.40`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`18:50.41`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 5 of 6 => BANG`
`18:50.47`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`18:50.48`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`18:50.50`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette`
`18:50.51`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`18:50.53`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`18:50.54`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`18:50.54`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette stats`
`18:50.55`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 43 games completed, 191 shots fired at 21 players. Luckiest: chouimat (82.8% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: numatrix (73.3%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (15). Most deaths: mr_woody (14).`
`18:51.04`	`mr_woody`	`shit`
`18:51.13`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette`
`18:51.13`	`ulyx`	`chouimat: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`18:57.00`	`JasonNJ`	`ulyx roulette`
`18:57.01`	`ulyx`	`JasonNJ: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`18:57.13`	`icefox`	`Hey JasonNJ: what is your home e-mail?`
`18:57.16`	`icefox`	`ibot JasonNJ`
`18:57.20`		`JasonNJ used to run the Zaurus Developer Program and now runs eGullet.com`
`18:58.18`	`icefox`	`ibot benmeyer`
`18:58.19`		`i guess benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos`
`18:58.29`	`icefox`	`ibot forget benmeyer`
`18:58.29`		`i forgot benmeyer, icefox`
`18:58.33`	`icefox`	`ibot benmeyer`
`18:58.33`		`i haven't a clue, icefox`
`18:58.39`	`icefox`	`ibot benmeyer is icefox`
`18:58.40`		`okay, icefox`
`18:58.44`	`icefox`	`ibot icefox`
`18:58.44`		`somebody said icefox was a kde/qte developer who works for Sharp and does developer support for the Zaurus, or known as benmeyer`
`18:58.53`	`icefox`	`ibot benmeyer`
`18:58.53`		`rumour has it, benmeyer is icefox`
`18:58.57`	`icefox`	`:-D`
`19:00.16`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:00.17`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:00.53`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:00.54`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:00.59`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:01.00`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:01.06`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:01.07`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:01.12`	`icefox`	`damm`
`19:03.12`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:03.13`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:04.31`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:04.32`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:04.37`	`icefox`	`damm`
`19:04.50`	`chouimat`	`ulyx roulette stats`
`19:04.51`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 45 games completed, 199 shots fired at 23 players. Luckiest: chouimat (83.3% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo\|Work,treke\|home (66.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: numatrix (73.3%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: chouimat (16). Most deaths: mr_woody (14).`
`19:05.09`	`chouimat`	`ulyx fortune`
`19:05.10`	`ulyx`	`If you can believe ten impossible things before breakfast, then you should join THE CHURCH OF COUNTERFACTUAL BELIEF The Church of Counterfactual Belief has been set up to cater to all who don't allow demonstrable truth to get in the way of their beliefs. In addition to creation science and the flatness of the earth, the following beliefs have been certified by Pope Duane as Church dogma: --`
`19:05.10`	`ulyx`	`That there is a hole in the Earth at the North Pole from which UFOs come. -- That pi equals precisely 3.000. -- That sex can be enjoyed only by blacks and homosexuals. -- That Billy Joe Wilson (Hoopla, Miss.) has successfully squared the circle. -- That Harry Truman is still president, and doing a fine job. -- That pi equals precisely 22/7. Several other`
`19:05.10`	`ulyx`	`important counterfactual beliefs are presently being studied, including Reaganomics, A.I., and that the moon landings were done in a Hollywood special effects studio. These will be the subject of a forthcoming Papal Bull ...`
`19:11.07`	`*** join/#openembedded tronical (~simon@fauia27.informatik.uni-erlangen.de)`
`19:11.11`	`tronical`	`re`
`19:23.30`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:23.31`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => BANG`
`19:23.50`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:23.50`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:24.04`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:24.04`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:24.09`	`mr_woody`	`i am lucky today`
`19:24.14`	`nofpu`	`sure are`
`19:24.23`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:24.23`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:24.32`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:24.32`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:24.35`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:24.35`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:24.48`	`mr_woody`	`okie.. better stop`
`19:24.50`	`nofpu`	`hehe`
`19:30.17`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.18`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:30.24`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.25`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:30.27`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.27`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:30.30`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.30`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:30.32`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.33`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 5 of 6 => BANG`
`19:30.41`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.42`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => BANG`
`19:30.44`	`icefox`	`damm`
`19:30.52`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:30.52`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:30.55`	`icefox`	`hehe`
`19:30.59`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:31.00`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:31.02`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:31.03`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:31.18`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:31.19`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => BANG`
`19:31.25`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:31.26`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => BANG`
`19:31.35`	`RealUlli`	`whoops. ;-)`
`19:32.55`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:32.56`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.01`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.02`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.04`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.04`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.07`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.07`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.09`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.09`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.12`	`icefox`	`hahahaha`
`19:33.17`	`RealUlli`	`hm.`
`19:33.19`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.20`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:33.22`	`icefox`	`hahahaha`
`19:33.23`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.24`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.27`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.28`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:33.33`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.33`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:33.39`	`RealUlli`	`hehe`
`19:33.48`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:33.49`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.27`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx revive icefox`
`19:34.32`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.33`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:34.35`	`icefox`	`dang`
`19:34.36`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.37`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.39`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.39`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.40`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.41`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:34.42`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.42`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.45`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.45`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.47`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.47`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.47`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.48`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => BANG`
`19:34.50`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.50`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.51`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.51`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.54`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.55`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.55`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.55`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.56`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.56`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:34.57`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:34.58`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.00`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.00`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.00`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.00`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.02`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.05`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.06`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.07`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.08`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.08`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.09`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.10`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.11`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.12`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.14`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 5 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.18`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.18`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.18`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.20`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.22`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.23`	`mr_woody`	`4 was mine`
`19:35.24`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.26`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.26`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.26`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.28`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.30`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.33`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.33`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.39`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.40`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.40`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 5 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.40`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => BANG`
`19:35.42`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.42`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.44`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.44`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.46`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.46`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.49`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.49`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette stats`
`19:35.49`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.50`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 63 games completed, 260 shots fired at 24 players. Luckiest: nofpu (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: icefox (65.5% clicks). Highest survival rate: nofpu (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: mr_woody (17). Most deaths: mr_woody (19).`
`19:35.53`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.54`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:35.55`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:35.56`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:36.03`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.04`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.06`	`mr_woody`	`most wins and most deaths hmm`
`19:36.08`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.09`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.12`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.12`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.16`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.17`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => BANG`
`19:36.19`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.19`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.20`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.21`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.21`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.21`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.22`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.23`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.23`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.25`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => BANG`
`19:36.28`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette stats`
`19:36.28`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.28`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.29`	`ulyx`	`roulette stats: 66 games completed, 272 shots fired at 24 players. Luckiest: nofpu (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: icefox (65.7% clicks). Highest survival rate: nofpu (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: Neo\|Work (0.0%). Most wins: mr_woody (19). Most deaths: mr_woody (20).`
`19:36.29`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.30`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.33`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.34`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.34`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.35`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.37`	`mr_woody`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.37`	`ulyx`	`mr_woody: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.38`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.39`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:36.41`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.42`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.42`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => BANG`
`19:36.46`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.46`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.47`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.48`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.50`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:36.55`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:36.56`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.13`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.14`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.17`	`icefox`	`hehe`
`19:37.27`	`nofpu`	`roulette mayhem`
`19:37.35`	`icefox`	`oh ok`
`19:37.37`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.38`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:37.39`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: reload`
`19:37.44`	`RealUlli`	`hm.`
`19:37.47`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.47`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.50`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: reload`
`19:37.50`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.51`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:37.54`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.55`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.55`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.56`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.56`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.57`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:37.57`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:37.58`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.00`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.00`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.01`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: reload`
`19:38.03`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.04`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:38.07`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.08`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.10`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.10`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.15`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.16`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:38.18`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.18`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.24`	`RealUlli`	`OUCH`
`19:38.27`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.27`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.29`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.29`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.32`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.32`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.33`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.33`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.35`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.35`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => BANG`
`19:38.38`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.39`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.41`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.42`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => BANG`
`19:38.45`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.46`	`nofpu`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.46`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.46`	`ulyx`	`nofpu: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.47`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.48`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => BANG`
`19:38.50`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.50`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.51`	`RealUlli`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.51`	`ulyx`	`RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+`
`19:38.56`	`icefox`	`ulyx: roulette`
`19:38.57`	`ulyx`	`icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+`
`19:39.02`	`*** kick/#openembedded [icefox!~ken@sa.freeswan.ca] by kenb (enuff already...)`
`19:39.02`	`*** join/#openembedded icefox (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com)`
`19:39.03`	`ulyx`	`kenb: I'm offended!`
`19:39.12`	`icefox`	`haha`
`19:39.21`	`icefox`	`ok guess I should get back to real work`
`19:41.46`	`RealUlli`	`icefox: btw.. what are you doing for work? :-)`
`19:41.57`	`icefox`	`I work for Sharp`
`19:42.01`	`icefox`	`:-D`
`19:42.18`	`RealUlli`	`icefox: hm :-) doing Z devel? :-)`
`19:42.20`	`*** join/#openembedded PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`19:42.22`	`*** join/#openembedded noda (~noda@modemcable063.97-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca)`
`19:42.23`	`nofpu`	`then mend the SD driver ;)`
`19:42.25`	`noda`	`Moo!`
`19:42.32`	`icefox`	`kinda zdev, zsupport you name it`
`19:42.33`	`RealUlli`	`re noda`
`19:42.34`	`icefox`	`Mooo`
`19:42.55`	`icefox`	`nofpu: don't have access to any source because I work with outsiders`
`19:43.09`	`Neo\|Work`	`dammit ulyx! Stop saying my name! AIGH!`
`19:43.29`	`nofpu`	`icefox: pity`
`19:44.31`	`*** join/#openembedded schurig\|home (~schurig@p5080A36F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`19:45.38`	`schurig\|home`	`it's dead silent here when kergoth isn't there :-)`
`19:45.51`	`RealUlli`	`schurig\|home: that's an illusion. ;-)`
`19:45.58`	`*** join/#openembedded PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`19:46.02`	`treke`	`where is kergoth anyway?`
`19:46.22`	`RealUlli`	`schurig\|home: you joined shortly after our russian-roulette match.,.. ;-)`
`19:46.34`	`*** join/#openembedded PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`19:49.21`	`*** join/#openembedded icefox (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com)`
`19:49.45`	`schurig\|home`	`mickeyl: wouldn't be sip+pyqt for OZ a new challenge for you? :-)`
`19:50.56`	`*** join/#openembedded PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`19:52.22`	`kenb`	`I'd build an ipsec.o module against your production kernel src tree...`
`19:55.12`	`*** join/#openembedded PicoBot (~PicoBot@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`19:55.54`	`chouimat\|away`	`ibot emulate kergoth`
`19:55.55`		`ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.`
`19:56.18`	`icefox`	`ibot emulate chouimat`
`19:56.18`		`ulyx lart SoopaMATRIX`
`19:56.21`	`noda`	`ibot emulate noda`
`19:56.22`		`noda: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`19:56.27`	`*** join/#openembedded pb_ (~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)`
`19:56.53`	`icefox`	`I wonder if ibot would ever emulate someone telling ibot to do something`
`19:56.59`	`icefox`	`which would cause ibot to....`
`19:57.04`	`noda`	`Try it! :)`
`19:57.12`	`chouimat\|away`	`icefox: won't work`
`19:57.38`	`*** join/#openembedded benmeyer2 (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com)`
`19:57.45`	`benmeyer2`	`ibot emulate benmeyer2`
`19:57.46`		`benmeyer2: are you using Windows?`
`19:57.56`	`icefox`	`ibot emulate benmeyer2`
`19:57.57`		`icefox: i don't know`
`19:58.10`	`icefox`	`haha`
`19:58.20`	`*** part/#openembedded benmeyer2 (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com)`
`19:58.28`	`icefox`	`guess I already used that name`
`19:58.49`	`*** join/#openembedded benmeyer0 (~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com)`
`19:58.55`	`benmeyer0`	`ibot emulate benmeyer0`
`19:58.55`		`benmeyer0: I give up, what is it?`
`19:59.15`	`icefox`	`ibot emulate benmeyer0`
`19:59.15`		`icefox: i haven't a clue`
`19:59.18`	`icefox`	`dang`
`20:00.00`	`kenb`	`ibot: emulate kergoth`
`20:00.01`		`ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.`
`20:02.10`	`kenb`	`mcp: subscribe to sfs-users@freeswan.ca instead`
`20:02.14`	`kenb`	`wrong window.,`
`20:02.20`	`treke`	`ulyx, lart chouimat\|away's neighbors`
`20:04.26`	`schurig\|home`	`ibot: emulate schurig`
`20:04.27`		`bugger all, i dunno, schurig\|home`
`20:05.41`	`chouimat\|away`	`treke: they have a 6GB/months quota and I thnik they will get a very nice >500$ bill this month :)`
`20:06.00`	`noda`	`ROFL`
`20:06.20`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: btw videotron tolerate up to 15GB`
`20:06.30`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Before charging extra, you mean?`
`20:06.35`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: yup`
`20:06.39`	`noda`	`Seems odd I've never gone above 6GB, now that you mention it`
`20:06.51`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: me too`
`20:07.08`	`noda`	`What annoys me is that they block port 80 incoming.`
`20:07.18`	`noda`	`Used a shitty excuse about Code Red, too.`
`20:07.57`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: and I verified my contact and nowhere they speak about the limits ... so legally that clause is null`
`20:08.08`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Really? Hey, neat :)`
`20:08.17`	`noda`	`They do mention no web/email/etc servers though :(`
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`20:08.52`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: but are you willing to figth them in court?`
`20:08.58`	`noda`	`Nope :P`
`20:09.39`	`noda`	`treke: Too small? What's yours?`
`20:09.54`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: they also called me because I had a daemon running on port 22:)`
`20:09.56`	`treke`	`noda: yeah, too small :)`
`20:10.19`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: You're KIDDING...`
`20:10.27`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: nope`
`20:10.34`	`noda`	`That's just INSANE.`
`20:11.01`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: they scanner my box and they reported me the open ports ....`
`20:11.36`	`chouimat\|away`	`so I can fix those security risk and they didn't understand why port 139 was close`
`20:11.37`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: But port 22... I mean, I'm sure at least 1% of their customers use port 22...`
`20:11.44`	`noda`	`ROFL`
`20:12.31`	`treke`	`what is port 139>`
`20:12.56`	`chouimat\|away`	`when I tell them I was using Linux/FreeBSD on that box, they told me that they didn't supported those os ... and they will check if I break the contract ...`
`20:12.58`	`noda`	`Netbios -- where 1/2 of all Windows vulns lie`
`20:13.05`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: ROFL`
`20:13.07`	`treke`	`ah`
`20:13.30`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Once I called them up because I had no cable.... I hadn't had it all month, I was just pestering them. The guy told me to reboot the computer the cable modem was attached to...`
`20:13.30`	`treke`	`noda: I'm happily here int he land of no limits and no upstream bandwidth :)`
`20:13.40`	`noda`	`treke: Heh`
`20:13.51`	`noda`	`So I told him, "No, I don't need to."`
`20:14.04`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: regulart technicians are on strike so the one who call are managers :)`
`20:14.10`	`noda`	`And he said, "Ask anybody else, they'll tell you the same thing." I say, "No, I've called about 7 times in the past two weeks an dyou're the first one to ask me this."`
`20:14.16`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Hehehe, yeah`
`20:14.41`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda and ?`
`20:14.42`	`noda`	`And then I said, "Look, if it makes you feel any better, I'll unplug the network cable from the cable modem. That way it won't know if the computer's on or off!"`
`20:14.55`	`noda`	`He wouldn't go along with that. So I asked if I could speak with his supervisor...`
`20:14.58`	`noda`	`He said no :P`
`20:15.16`	`treke`	`noda: what you do then is ask for the billing department because you want to cancel your account`
`20:15.19`	`noda`	`He wouldn't forward me to another technician either.`
`20:15.32`	`noda`	`treke: Heh, that's what he wants though. And there's really no competitor around here.`
`20:15.33`	`treke`	`that usually gets me to a supervisor really quick`
`20:15.46`	`noda`	`treke: These guys are scabs. They don't give a damn :)`
`20:15.47`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: they teach windows here in schools so don't be suprised`
`20:16.07`	`treke`	`once they tried calling my bluff, so I canceled :p`
`20:16.11`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Ugh, don't tell me about Windows. I've got to do an assignment using Microsoft Excel...`
`20:16.40`	`noda`	`...so I'm installing plex86 so I can install Windows :)`
`20:16.52`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: bochs 2.0`
`20:17.00`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Does that do WinXP?`
`20:17.01`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: or vmware`
`20:17.20`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Apparently plex86 is faster than bochs, and is made to be directly compared to vmware. And it's GPL.`
`20:17.53`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: didn't try plex86 for a long time`
`20:18.11`	`noda`	`chouimat\|away: Why not... was it bad?`
`20:18.16`	`treke`	`plex86 is supposed to be a gpl version of vmware`
`20:18.34`	`treke`	`its an, ambitious project`
`20:19.07`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: try the first cvs version :)`
`20:19.18`	`noda`	`The first CVS version?`
`20:20.13`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: long time ago`
`20:20.25`	`noda`	`Will it run Windows?`
`20:20.32`	`treke`	`probably not`
`20:23.33`	`treke`	`I think it can run dos`
`20:23.38`	`treke`	`and it has booted linux`
`20:24.24`	`chouimat\|away`	`noda: just get vmware for now`
`20:24.33`	`noda`	`I't rather try this first...`
`20:24.52`	`treke`	`noda: It really isnt worth trying`
`20:25.00`	`treke`	`there is a snowballs chance in hell that it will run XP`
`20:25.10`	`treke`	`reliably`
`20:25.17`	`noda`	`Well, win2k would be enough`
`20:25.39`	`treke`	`I doubt 2k would run either`
`20:27.30`	`noda`	`Hrm, win98 will...`
`20:30.18`	`chouimat\|away`	`lol someone asked if it possible to run mac os x under vmware`
`20:30.35`	`treke`	`you can try it, but its a bit of wasted effort for the time being`
`20:31.09`	`treke`	`plex86 looks like its just going to be merged into bochs`
`20:31.39`	`noda`	`Cool`
`20:32.15`	`treke`	`looks like Kevin lawton is back from the dead`
`20:39.24`	`noda`	`Bah, got plex86 running, its docs show what OS's run... nothing past Win95 :(`
`20:42.58`	`icefox`	`bah rarely do I find a site that Konq can't handle anymore`
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`20:43.49`	`noda`	`Yeah, I'm looking forward to Apple's enhancements to KHTML, definitely...`
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`20:44.56`	`icefox`	`A big plus. A bunch of Apple guys working on nothing but improving khtml? what isn't good about that`
`20:45.09`	`icefox`	`now just move to qt3 and we can upgrade konq/e`
`20:45.18`	`noda`	`Hehehe, yeah!`
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`20:45.39`	`kergoth`	`yo`
`20:45.42`	`treke`	`kergoth: you ok?`
`20:46.02`	`kergoth`	`yea, why?`
`20:46.08`	`treke`	`icefox: and say f* off to commercial apps?`
`20:46.20`	`treke`	`kergoth: not normal for you to be signing on from home at this hour :)`
`20:46.37`	`kergoth`	`not home`
`20:46.40`	`kergoth`	`at work`
`20:46.45`	`kergoth`	`just been doin real work most of the day`
`20:46.51`	`treke`	`wow`
`20:47.02`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`20:48.04`	`schurig\|home`	`kergoth: is earning something for his living ...`
`20:48.22`	`schurig\|home`	`does he yell so often?`
`20:48.26`	`kergoth`	`treke: i wish :)`
`20:48.58`	`schurig\|home`	`kergoth: by the way: I broke the ipkg-build -o root -g root ... it used some old ipkg-build in my path that did not support this switches. Now it always uses STAGING_BINDIR :-)`
`20:49.08`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`20:49.20`	`kergoth`	`without those the perms in the tarballs are hosed if building as a user :)`
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`20:51.06`	`icefox`	`<spelling out like a kid>reAal wOrkkk</spelling out like a kid> Whats that?`
`20:52.30`	`noda`	`Whoa, vmware killed my mouse...`
`20:52.52`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: we should have it putting STAGING_BINDIR as the first item in the path`
`20:52.59`	`kergoth`	`schurig\|home: to avoid such issues :)`
`20:57.34`	`chouimat\|away`	`huh? kergoth is back????`
`20:58.38`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune`
`20:58.39`	`ulyx`	`Back in the good ole days in Texas, when stagecoaches and the like was popular, there were three people in a stagecoach one day: a true red- blooded born-and-raised Texas gentleman, a tenderfoot city-slicker from back East, and a beautiful and well-endowed Texas lady. The city- slicker kept eyeing the lady, and finally he leaned forward and said, "Lady, I'll give you $10 for a blow job." The Texas`
`20:58.39`	`ulyx`	`gentleman looked appalled, pulled out his pistol, and killed the city-slicker on the spot. The lady gasped and said, "Thank you, suh, for defendin' mah honor!" Whereupon the Texan holstered his gun and said, "Your honor, hell! No tenderfoot is gonna raise the price of women in Texas!"`
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`21:00.18`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: ping`
`21:01.28`	`icefox`	`what regexp would you use to find the 7 digit number in this string: 2 P333T 3.5 4455484 PS:OK Fans:OK Mode:Layer2`
`21:02.09`	`noda`	`/\d{7}/`
`21:02.12`	`chouimat\|bored`	`icefox: awk '{print $4'} :)`
`21:02.37`	`icefox`	`Thanks`
`21:03.02`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune`
`21:03.02`	`ulyx`	`"What the hell are you getting so upset about? I thought you didn't believe in God." "I don't," she sobbed, bursting violently into tears, "but the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be." -- Joseph Heller, "Catch-22"`
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`21:14.08`	`cbok`	`do you folks know if there is a memory leak in the today application?`
`21:25.09`	`icefox`	`probably`
`21:25.11`	`icefox`	`:-S`
`21:25.18`	`icefox`	`at least in the past there was`
`21:25.32`	`cbok`	`i think there is..`
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`21:27.19`	`CmdrChalupa`	`so people have had luck installing this onto an ipaq too?`
`21:31.27`	`CmdrChalupa`	`I mean, what's the procedure for installing this on an ipaq?`
`21:32.44`	`treke`	`load an openembedded for ipaq image onto the ipaq. watch it somewhat work`
`21:33.03`	`treke`	`best if done using compact flash`
`21:33.37`	`treke`	`A regular openzaurus image will not work`
`21:35.12`	`CmdrChalupa`	`ah ha...how different is the opie on oz from the opie on familiar? (so would it make more sense for me to use familiar as base and then use oz for the opie feed?)`
`21:35.55`	`treke`	`hows does opie differ?`
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`21:36.48`	`treke`	`opie on oz is compiled for the zaurus, opie for familiar is compiled for the ipaq. The opie for openembedded/ipaq is almost compatible, except for opie-login`
`21:42.22`	`CmdrChalupa`	`treke: is the version of the opie stuff roughly the same?`
`21:43.11`	`treke`	`they are snapshots of whatever day they are built. how similar they are depends on how much work was done during the interim of the two builds`
`21:43.29`	`schurig\|home`	`treke: when you get opie from cvs, then do an rgrep -r QT_QWS_IPAQ to find the ipaq specific sections, QT_QWS_SHARP and QT_QWS_EBX for Zaurus specific stuff`
`21:44.20`	`treke`	`schurig\|home: I know that`
`21:44.51`	`schurig\|home`	`treke: I thought you asked about the differences "how does opie differ?" ?!?!?`
`21:45.04`	`treke`	`CmdrChalupa: chalupa asked`
`21:46.14`	`CmdrChalupa`	`treke: I don't see an oz image for the ipaq, which is why I was wondering`
`21:46.17`	`CmdrChalupa`	`I see a mention of it`
`21:46.39`	`treke`	`CmdrChalupa: The images are still unstable, which is why they arent up for download`
`21:46.56`	`treke`	`i can give you a link for it if you want to test. It's only been verified to work on a 3850 though`
`21:47.14`	`CmdrChalupa`	`treke: that would be cool`
`21:47.44`	`treke`	`http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/oz-ipaq.jffs2`
`21:49.32`	`CmdrChalupa`	`okay, I guess I should ask greg what kinds of failures he's been seeing with it?`
`21:52.19`	`chouimat\|bored`	`hmm how fast is USPS ?`
`21:52.45`	`treke`	`I'm greg`
`21:52.51`	`CmdrChalupa`	`oh`
`21:52.55`	`CmdrChalupa`	`lol`
`21:53.12`	`CmdrChalupa`	`so how major of a failure have you had with it?`
`21:53.12`	`treke`	`apm in that particular image doesnt work, but I have fixed package in the feed`
`22:01.34`	`kergoth`	`re`
`22:05.05`	`chouimat\|bored`	`hey kergy boy`
`22:07.42`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: did you finish the logs?`
`22:12.22`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: no time, busybusybusy`
`22:12.31`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: lemme throw it up on the wiki quick and you guys can hack at it`
`22:13.54`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: lemme guess every thing go bad at your job`
`22:14.03`	`kergoth`	`yeah, its one of those days`
`22:14.08`	`kergoth`	`its a Monday`
`22:18.50`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: its on the wiki`
`22:18.55`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: if you have time, fix it up`
`22:20.32`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: i included the parts of the log that I was going to merge into the info`
`22:20.45`	`kergoth`	`ill put the full log up as well`
`22:21.22`	`kergoth`	`ibot: seen effy-kun`
`22:21.23`		`effy-kun <~none@216.251.50.73> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 16h 35m 5s ago, saying: 'bummer'.`
`22:21.25`	`kergoth`	`ibot: seen effy`
`22:21.25`		`effy <effy@K068012.ppp.dion.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 6d 10h 4m 46s ago, saying: 'I'm not sure I understand this emit stuff well heh'.`
`22:22.09`	`treke`	`CmdrChalupa: I should be back soon. doing real woork`
`22:22.22`	`kergoth`	`treke: getting new testers eh? :)`
`22:25.16`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`22:25.18`	`kergoth`	`/tmp/ccUzyCDM.s: Assembler messages:`
`22:25.18`	`kergoth`	/tmp/ccUzyCDM.s:13: Error: bad instruction `ldfd f0,[sp],#8'
`22:25.18`	`kergoth`	/tmp/ccUzyCDM.s:14: Error: bad instruction `stfd f0,[sp,#-8]!'
`22:25.18`	`kergoth`	/tmp/ccUzyCDM.s:20: Error: bad instruction `ldfd f0,[sp],#8'
`22:26.45`	`pb_`	`doh.`
`22:27.11`	`pb_`	`those look like OK instructions to me, albeit floating point ones. Are you building with vfp disabled?`
`22:27.11`	`kergoth`	`ldfd, sounds like ldm, is that a armv5 only instruction?`
`22:27.17`	`kergoth`	`ah, fp`
`22:27.25`	`pb_`	`er, fpa not vfp.`
`22:27.52`	`JasonNJ`	`sup homies.`
`22:28.37`	`kergoth`	`/usr/bin/ccache /usr/bin/distcc arm-linux-gcc ../sysdeps/ieee754/dbl-64/s_copysign.c -c -O2 -Wa,-mxscale -Wall -Winline -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -fexpensive-optimizations -fpermissive -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wno-uninitialized -D__NO_MATH_INLINES -D__LIBC_INTERNAL_MATH_INLINES -DNO_LONG_DOUBLE -D_Mlong_double_=double -I../include -I. -I.. -I../libio -I../sysdeps/arm/elf`
`22:28.37`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune homer`
`22:28.38`	`ulyx`	`I'm used to seeing people promoted ahead of me -- friends, co-workers, Tibor. I never thought it'd be my own wife. -- Homer Simpson Marge Gets A Job`
`22:28.46`	`kergoth`	`thats one _hell_ of a compile line`
`22:28.52`	`pb_`	`kergoth: ah, -Wa,-mxscale will be suppressing fpa opcodes.`
`22:29.28`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`22:30.00`	`kergoth`	`what is the appropriate optimizations for xscale using gcc2.95? or does it not support armv5?`
`22:30.23`	`pb_`	`it doesn't support either armv5 or xscale, so tuning for strongarm is the best you can do.`
`22:30.28`	`kergoth`	`gotcha`
`22:30.30`	`kergoth`	`thanks`
`22:31.12`	`chouimat\|bored`	`damn! I'm so bored`
`22:31.20`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: go finish the buildsystem wiki for me`
`22:31.26`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:31.36`	`pb_`	`incidentally, the armv5 instructions make almost zero difference. The biggest factor in xscale performance is instruction scheduling, so with gcc 3.2 you can do -march=armv4 -mtune=xscale and get code that will run pretty much as fast as it would with -mcpu=xscale, but will still work on strongarm to boot.`
`22:31.46`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: /me hates wiki`
`22:31.57`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: me too, but this is th eonly thing wiki is good for`
`22:32.07`	`kergoth`	`pb_: ah, i see`
`22:32.15`	`kergoth`	`pb_: cool`
`22:32.16`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: wiki are good for something :)`
`22:32.23`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: yes, only one thing :)`
`22:34.15`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.17`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.20`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.22`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.25`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.27`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.29`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart videotron cable`
`22:34.45`	`chouimat\|bored`	`hmmmm i feel a little better`
`22:34.49`	`kergoth`	`pb_: what do you think about omitting the frame pointer? that screws with debugging ability, right?`
`22:35.05`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune bofh-excuses`
`22:35.06`	`ulyx`	`BOFH Excuse #402: Secretary sent chain letter to all 5000 employees.`
`22:37.18`	`chouimat\|bored`	`Homer Simpsons for president in 2008`
`22:37.28`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: fortune SP`
`22:37.29`	`ulyx`	`It's easy, Mmmkay!`
`22:37.31`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: fortune SP`
`22:37.33`	`ulyx`	`Alec, do you know what sucks about being a Baldwin? No, what? Nothing!`
`22:37.36`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: fortune SP`
`22:37.37`	`ulyx`	`We must rid ourselves of anything Canadian.`
`22:37.42`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune bofh-excuses`
`22:37.43`	`ulyx`	`BOFH Excuse #212: Of course it doesn't work. We've performed a software upgrade.`
`22:37.54`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx fortune`
`22:37.55`	`ulyx`	`"Do you cheat on your wife?" asked the psychiatrist. "Who else?" answered the patient.`
`22:38.38`	`treke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:38.45`	`treke`	`CmdrChalupa: you still here?`
`22:41.50`	`kergoth`	`treke: hey, did make -j3 complete?`
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`22:41.59`	`kergoth`	`hey drw`
`22:42.31`	`treke`	`kergoth: I didnt finish on -j3. It worked until op2 died, I ended up disabling it in my build`
`22:42.41`	`treke`	`although opie was last to be built`
`22:42.45`	`kergoth`	`ah, so we havent determined whether it dies or not`
`22:42.50`	`drw`	`howdy`
`22:42.51`	`kergoth`	`thats good, means the deps were good up until then`
`22:42.53`	`kergoth`	`which is pretty far`
`22:43.07`	`treke`	`I dont think anything was left after opie`
`22:43.35`	`kergoth`	`given the way it follows depends, probably not`
`22:43.37`	`kergoth`	`so thats cool`
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`22:44.51`	`treke`	`I guess he isnt :)`
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`22:48.01`	`kergoth`	`ibot: pester angry`
`22:48.04`		`angry: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?`
`22:48.16`	`angry`	`hehe`
`22:48.35`	`angry`	`ibot lart me`
`22:49.58`	`treke`	`hmmm, maybe I'll use -j3 on my gcc3 build`
`22:51.20`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart angry`
`22:51.29`	`angry`	`i like ibot better`
`22:51.30`	`angry`	`lol`
`22:51.35`	`angry`	`OOH GnOME 2.2!!!!`
`22:51.45`	`chouimat\|bored`	`angry: tell that to Dessimat0r`
`22:51.51`	`kergoth`	`ulyx: lart ulyx`
`22:53.29`	`treke`	`kergoth: you had a chance to test that apm patch?`
`22:54.36`	`kergoth`	`nah,m havent had a chance`
`22:54.41`	`kergoth`	`busy as hell today at work`
`22:54.56`	`treke`	`suckage`
`22:55.08`	`treke`	`every one of digis devices die today? :)`
`22:55.12`	`kergoth`	`I need to finish the b500/c700 base images, and add Zoom support to qt/e`
`22:55.22`	`kergoth`	`hah, naw, just had some complex problem reproducctions to setup`
`22:55.26`	`kergoth`	`the first one took 4 hours of setup`
`22:55.42`	`treke`	`yikes`
`22:55.53`	`kergoth`	`yep, fun stuff`
`22:55.55`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`22:57.23`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: can be worst. I'm trying for 4 weeks to reproduces a bugs for one of my customers and I have borrowed one of their standard computer (which i supposed to be buggy) and I can't reproduces it ... I'm tired to be yell at`
`22:57.39`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: jeeze`
`22:57.42`	`kergoth`	`that sucks`
`22:58.53`	`chouimat\|bored`	`I tried with 12 differents computer to log on their vpn box and it's works without problems but they can't and when they can the connection drop after 15-45 minutes`
`22:59.04`	`kergoth`	`weird.`
`22:59.26`	`pb_`	`kergoth: I use -fomit-frame-pointer for everything I build.`
`22:59.54`	`pb_`	`kergoth: it does screw debuggability (though there is no good reason why it needs to; it's just that gdb is crap) but I find I can usually live with that.`
`23:00.03`	`kergoth`	`pb_: gotcha`
`23:00.56`	`kergoth`	`I just realized I have no idea what the frame pointer is actually. /me googles`
`23:01.00`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:01.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`23:01.37`	`treke`	`its important`
`23:01.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth DOESN'T know everything?!?!`
`23:01.45`	`kergoth`	`well obviously`
`23:01.48`	`kergoth`	`(to both treke and tmm1)`
`23:01.49`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`23:01.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lookie here, http://extremetracking.com/open;sum?login=kofc`
`23:01.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`insane amount of unique hits we're getting`
`23:02.00`	`pb_`	`it's just a register (r10 usually) which is kept pointing to the stack frame for the current function. There are two bad effects from it - firstly you lose a register, and secondly you have to actually create a proper stack frame for it to point at even if you have no use for one.`
`23:02.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but helps for debugging no?`
`23:02.27`	`pb_`	`yes.`
`23:02.33`	`kergoth`	`ah! I always wondered what gcc's 'fp' register was`
`23:02.41`	`kergoth`	`I usually revert to 'std' naming`
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`23:04.00`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: hey tim`
`23:04.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`JasonNJ: around?`
`23:04.31`	`pb_`	`kergoth: ah, heh, yes, that's the one. Actually, come to think of it, it's usually r11 not r10. r10 is the pic register, or the stack limit in olde worlde code.`
`23:04.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: how goes the c700`
`23:04.52`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: image boots, but hangs at init, I think I've got a hosed arm binary`
`23:05.03`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: going to copy and test a few things oon the skiffs to figure out whats b0rked`
`23:05.17`	`kergoth`	`pb_: ah okay, thanks again for the info, I appreciate it`
`23:05.38`	`TimRiker`	`you got updated source for the c700 kernel, yes? is it the kernel crash that's failing?`
`23:05.47`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: we still need a 640x480 pingizauru + openzaurus`
`23:06.00`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`23:06.09`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: naw, its not crashing in kernel,it spawns init, init enters runlevel 2, never spawns the rcS scripts`
`23:06.24`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: thank god the c700 uses the same serial pinouts on its sharp i/o connecotr`
`23:06.27`	`kergoth`	`connector`
`23:07.05`	`TimRiker`	`can you set init=/bin/sh in the kernel config and at least get a shell?`
`23:07.27`	`kergoth`	`good question, maybe its my busybox binary thats borked`
`23:07.27`	`TimRiker`	`then you can test scripts etc. and "exec /sbin/init" when you think it will work. ;-)`
`23:07.34`	`kergoth`	`they fixed the init=/bin/sh busybox spawn bug right?`
`23:07.45`	`kergoth`	`i seem to recall robert/sandman doing it`
`23:07.48`	`TimRiker`	`no bug that I'm aware of.`
`23:07.59`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: it used to dump a list of the available commands when you did that`
`23:08.04`	`kergoth`	`you had to do /bin/sh sh to make it work`
`23:08.13`	`TimRiker`	`if you have console set to /dev/console then there is no terminal control. that's just the spec on /dev/console.`
`23:08.15`	`kergoth`	`because kernel sets argv[0] to 'init' regardless of your init=`
`23:08.42`	`kergoth`	`so they had to make it spawn the shell on /bin/busybox init if busybox init isnt enabled`
`23:08.46`	`TimRiker`	`if ash is compiled in but the sh alias is not then that's what you'll get.`
`23:08.46`	`kergoth`	`iirc`
`23:08.56`	`TimRiker`	`I use init=/bin/sh on the tux all the time. works fine.`
`23:08.58`	`kergoth`	`sh alias is.`
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`23:10.24`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: the kernel sets argv[0] on the init spawn to 'init', not sh.`
`23:10.38`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: maybe russ patched the tux kernel otherwise?`
`23:12.32`	`chouimat\|bored`	`arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg`
`23:12.36`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|bored: ?`
`23:12.55`	`chouimat\|bored`	`forgot the garbagges yesterday`
`23:12.59`	`kergoth`	`aha`
`23:13.00`	`kergoth`	`me oto`
`23:13.04`	`kergoth`	`i forgot it today tho`
`23:13.07`	`kergoth`	`this morning`
`23:13.28`	`treke`	`hmmm, do I need to do anything besides just srtating a build with gcc3 in the path?`
`23:13.40`	`kergoth`	`treke: buildroot sets PATH implicitly`
`23:13.48`	`treke`	`oh`
`23:13.54`	`treke`	`then I'm doing a gcc2.95 build :)`
`23:13.55`	`chouimat\|bored`	`kergoth: wait.... they had changed the day... I'm ok it's tomorrow ...`
`23:13.56`	`kergoth`	`treke: change USERGCCVER to 3.2 in your .config, and it'll add /usr/local/arm/3.2 to your PATH`
`23:13.59`	`kergoth`	`treke: right`
`23:14.04`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. not that I recall.`
`23:14.11`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: weird`
`23:14.16`	`TimRiker`	`maybe it's a glib vs uclibc issue?`
`23:14.43`	`kergoth`	`could be.. but i dont see how thatd affect it, last i checked calling busybox with a argv[0] of init will spawn init ;)`
`23:14.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: hmm, 640x480 one eh`
`23:15.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: the same framebuffer deal as i did for .19?`
`23:15.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`at the top`
`23:15.32`	`TimRiker`	`well I'm out of town so I can't test it at the moment. maybe there is a difference between a compiled in command line vs the blob arguments.`
`23:15.42`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: no, full screen for the collie boot logo displayer`
`23:15.43`	`TimRiker`	`could be any of the above.`
`23:15.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: ah k`
`23:15.52`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: yeah, no biggie, just found it curious :)`
`23:16.10`	`pb_`	`yeah. Robert said he fixed that a while back, if I remember right.`
`23:16.10`	`TimRiker`	`you could replace /sbin/init with a shell script and then put init someplace else like /init`
`23:16.19`	`kergoth`	`pb_: cool, thought so`
`23:16.27`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: coughHACKcough`
`23:16.41`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:16.45`	`TimRiker`	`;-) /me does not mind hacking if it works. ;-)`
`23:16.48`	`kergoth`	`true that`
`23:17.15`	`treke`	`hehe, he did work at lineo after all :)`
`23:17.20`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`23:17.23`	`TimRiker`	`specially when working with broken bootloaders like the zaurus loader.`
`23:17.35`	`TimRiker`	`treke: hey, watch it with that. ;-)`
`23:17.39`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:17.57`	`kergoth`	`TimRiker: hey, hav eyou _seen_ the code in the embedix patches? ;)`
`23:18.02`	`treke`	`TimRiker: Break your NDA and release SD specs and all will be forgiven`
`23:18.26`	`TimRiker`	`yes, I made all the same comments you have most likely. just that lineo japan ignores them all.`
`23:18.50`	`TimRiker`	`"oops, you mean I left that code in?" ;-)`
`23:18.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`lol treke`
`23:19.40`	`treke`	`I'm sensing a pattern with the japanese`
`23:19.46`	`TimRiker`	`you think?`
`23:19.55`	`chouimat\|bored`	`ulyx lart tv for still talking about columbia`
`23:20.02`	`TimRiker`	`"open source" what's that?`
`23:20.27`	`treke`	`"It compiles, it's done. It runs, it's perfect"`
`23:20.55`	`chouimat\|bored`	`treke: it's not japanese, it's MFC way of thing`
`23:28.34`	`treke`	`weee. bombed out`
`23:29.53`	`treke`	`hmmm, C compile cannot create executables. That isnt a good sign :)`
`23:30.46`	`mickeyl`	`where?`
`23:32.31`	`treke`	`looks like konq`
`23:34.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tronical: wake up`
`23:35.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tronical: heh, whats up`
`23:35.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tronical: treke is having issues with konq :)`
`23:35.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i didn't think you'd actually show up`
`23:35.28`	`treke`	`haha`
`23:35.32`	`tronical`	`:)`
`23:35.42`	`tronical`	`I think if his c compiler can't create executable then it's b0rked ;-)`
`23:35.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`tronical: btw, whats the status on khtml3 for konq/e`
`23:35.56`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: by the way, $$STAGING_DIR/usr/lib now should be $$STAGING_LIBDIR in konqe makefile`
`23:36.59`	`mickeyl`	`also some other paths which should be adjusted for enhanced staging dir scheme`
`23:38.11`	`tronical`	`TheMasterMind1: up updates, we're all still this crappy qt2 :-(`
`23:38.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`:\`
`23:38.47`	`treke`	`hmmm, this is the exact same error someone was getting last night`
`23:38.51`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: oh, I haven't been able to do builds lately (uni keeps my busy) . if you see a fix please feel free to push. will try myself to build oz this weekend`
`23:38.55`	`treke`	`and he had a borked toolchain`
`23:39.11`	`tronical`	`which reminds me I need a new toolchain, and for that I need help from kergoth to fix the b0rked toolchain build`
`23:39.13`	`tronical`	`kergoth: there?`
`23:39.44`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: will do. by the way, the last update from harlekin broke opiemediaplayer2. we should update libxine accordingly, because one API changed`
`23:39.55`	`mickeyl`	`(OZ only)`
`23:40.49`	`treke`	`kergoth: I suspect kenb was using gcc3.2`
`23:41.10`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: ohh. ok. will talk to Dilb then. he once advised against using libxine snapshots, so we switched to using a snapshot from his, kind of a dilb-approved one, as we use a big patchset from him :)`
`23:41.40`	`treke`	`kergoth: You said that you cant build a kernel with 3.2, is there a way to tell buildroot to use 2.95 for the kernel?`
`23:41.41`	`kergoth`	`treke: why? I've done a gcc3 build before.`
`23:41.45`	`kergoth`	`nope`
`23:41.49`	`kergoth`	`1) select 2.95.3`
`23:41.54`	`mickeyl`	`hmm... i guess updating my automake to 1.6 was not a good idea... one more error... can someone help?`
`23:41.57`	`kergoth`	`2) make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-2.4.18-h3600`
`23:41.59`	`mickeyl`	`configure.in:48: warning: AC_ARG_PROGRAM was called before AC_CANONICAL_TARGET`
`23:41.59`	`mickeyl`	Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found
`23:42.00`	`kergoth`	`3) select 3.2`
`23:42.03`	`kergoth`	`4) make`
`23:42.08`	`kergoth`	`treke: whats up?`
`23:42.10`	`kergoth`	`er`
`23:42.11`	`kergoth`	`tronical: whats up?`
`23:42.12`	`mickeyl`	`what is this .depcomp?`
`23:42.27`	`kergoth`	`heh, no idea`
`23:43.08`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: feel free, we'll want to add them as target/host tools anyway to build ipks of them`
`23:43.22`	`tronical`	`kergoth: the dependency generation from the config.in's broke the toolchain build. I need some hints from you how to solve the following problem :)`
`23:43.52`	`kergoth`	`tronical: ah, the kernel headers arent being extracted prior to the glibc build?`
`23:43.56`	`tronical`	`kergoth: as you remember the right build order is gcc-3.2-initial, kernel-headers, then gcc-3.2`
`23:44.12`	`kergoth`	`s/kernel-headers/kernel-headers, glibc/`
`23:44.16`	`kergoth`	`right?`
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`23:44.28`	`Dessimat0r`	`lo all`
`23:44.34`	`kergoth`	`perhaps we should have the glibc build pull a set of known good headers, say off ftp.arm.linux.org.uk, prior to the build`
`23:44.40`	`kergoth`	`rather than using the ones from our actual kernel build`
`23:45.03`	`treke`	`kergoth: Is not using gcc on the kernel arm specific? Seemed to be working on my desktop`
`23:45.11`	`tronical`	`kergoth: I have trouble to enforce that build order just from the one CONFIG_GCC-3.2 variable. I'd need to specify that dependency in kconfig dependencies and (bigger problem) enable things like CONFIG-GCC-3.2-INITIAL if CONFIG_GCC-3.2 is set (like an implicit variable somehow)`
`23:45.24`	`kergoth`	`treke: gcc3 for kernel builds _will_ break things`
`23:45.40`	`treke`	`hmmm. interesting. /me rebuilds his laptops kernel tonight`
`23:45.58`	`treke`	`must have just gotten lucky`
`23:46.00`	`kergoth`	`tronical: config GCC-3.2-INITIAL .. depends GCC-3.2 .. default y`
`23:46.23`	`kergoth`	`er`
`23:46.28`	`kergoth`	`no, that'll cause them to build in reverse order`
`23:46.28`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`23:46.40`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`23:46.50`	`kergoth`	`config GCC-3.2-INITIAL`
`23:46.53`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:46.58`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.04`	`kergoth`	`config GCC-3.2`
`23:47.08`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.14`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.17`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.21`	`kergoth`	`eh?`
`23:47.40`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`23:47.46`	`tronical`	`I tried that :} but it didn't set GCC-3.2-INITIAL in .config then :}`
`23:47.49`	`kergoth`	`if that doesnt work, we'll need to do some juggling`
`23:47.51`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`23:47.52`	`tronical`	`like, I wasn't able to see GCC-3.2 at all`
`23:47.56`	`kergoth`	`using default y if GCC-3.2?`
`23:48.00`	`kergoth`	`what order in the config.in?`
`23:48.02`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`23:48.16`	`mickeyl`	`DAMN... newer automake needs -a to generate depcomp... older do it without -a. stuff like this is why i hate the auto-tools :((`
`23:48.29`	`kergoth`	`config GCC_3.2-BASE`
`23:48.33`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.35`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.37`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: don't swear, depcomp is a good thing :)`
`23:48.43`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.46`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.52`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.54`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.02`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.04`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.14`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.16`	`tronical`	`kergoth: ahh! gotcha. you're a genius! :) will try that`
`23:49.16`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.31`	`kergoth`	`then we split out the user selectable piece from that which influences depends`
`23:49.34`	`mickeyl`	`tronical: well, if depcomp is so cool (i believe it is), why do they stop to generate it automatically... sigh...`
`23:49.49`	`kergoth`	`tronical: i had to figure this out for opie, opie uses kconfig w/ autogen'd depends :)`
`23:50.08`	`kergoth`	`tronical: same issue for things like networksetup and opie-mail that have multiple subdirs and libs, but which dont use the subdirs qmake/tmake config`
`23:50.11`	`kergoth`	`s/config/template/`
`23:50.21`	`tronical`	`mickeyl: -a is --add-missing. this is really something you have to call only once in your source tree`
`23:50.21`	`kergoth`	`I should document this somewhere`
`23:50.36`	`kergoth`	`well add -a, it wont hurt anything`
`23:53.34`	`mickeyl`	`will autogen -a also produce this?`
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`23:55.56`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: autogen.sh is just a shell script included in some build trees. i tend to avoid calling them explicitly, because they call 'automake' directly rather than our $(AUTOMAKE)`
`23:56.08`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: which b0rks builds on boxes we need distro specific bits for`
`23:56.17`	`kergoth`	`mickeyl: take a look at the ipkg build for example`
`23:56.45`	`mickeyl`	`kergoth: ok, then calling the autostuff by hand is safer.`
`23:56.49`	`kergoth`	`right`
`23:56.55`	`kergoth`	`then we can use our vars, and specify the opts`
`23:57.09`	`kergoth`	`we arent relying on their scripts to retain sanity, which is good policy`
`23:57.18`	`mickeyl`	`what is this? aclocal, automake and autoconf in this order?`
`23:57.23`	`kergoth`	`read ipkg`
`23:57.25`	`kergoth`	`and some other builds`
`23:57.26`	`mickeyl`	`k`
`23:57.32`	`kergoth`	`it has the commands to run and th eorder in which to run them`
`23:57.40`	`kergoth`	`what are you working on, out of curiosity?`
`23:58.33`	`mickeyl`	`i did some fixes for the libsdl* packages. no idea if someone else is maintaining them, but they broke after the enhanced staging dir. now i fixed them, but after upgrading my automake, they won't build anymore because of this missing -a`
`23:59.12`	`kergoth`	`ahh, gotcha`
`23:59.23`	`kergoth`	`onyx4 maintains them, but please do fix them, he wont mind`
`23:59.30`	`mickeyl`	`hehe :)`

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