| 00:21.02 | ljp | hmm debris hits shuttle on the left wing on launch.. sensors on the left side first to malfunction... what the heck could be the cause...? |
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| 00:23.01 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 00:23.06 | ljp | hi |
| 00:28.41 | ljp | man, alsa api docs suck |
| 00:28.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:29.00 | kergoth | alsa itself is cool, bu the docs are lacking |
| 00:29.01 | kergoth | but |
| 00:29.44 | ljp | alsa rocks. |
| 00:29.53 | Harlekin | ipaq is suposed to use alsa soon |
| 00:30.02 | ljp | and trying to get api help from the dev list is like pulling teeth |
| 00:30.58 | treke|home | it is? |
| 00:31.45 | Harlekin | treke|home: yes, jamey worked on it and backported some 2.5 stuff ( alsa ) |
| 00:31.47 | ljp | kinda |
| 00:31.56 | treke|home | interesting |
| 00:32.49 | ljp | at least when it comes to getting them to write better docs.. :D |
| 00:33.18 | ljp | not much on using the alsa mixer api either |
| 00:33.35 | Onyx4 | kergoth: I just checked-in samba server support, the smb.conf and init script will need updating acording to sharp |
| 00:33.43 | Onyx4 | kergoth: and if we decide or not to use inetd to start smbd |
| 00:34.10 | Onyx4 | im not sure how sharp does it |
| 00:34.46 | kergoth | k |
| 00:34.54 | kergoth | I just pulled the smb.conf off my c700 not o30 seconds ago |
| 00:35.07 | kergoth | they dont use inetd, but i dont see a reason why we shouldnt |
| 00:35.10 | Onyx4 | k probably wanna do the same for the init script |
| 00:35.34 | Onyx4 | im not sure how much memory samba takes just running idle |
| 00:35.52 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:36.02 | Onyx4 | if we dont use inetd, it's wasted memory right? |
| 00:36.10 | Onyx4 | if someone doesn't use samba :) |
| 00:36.24 | kergoth | and smdb and nmbd waste memroy as well |
| 00:36.25 | treke|home | they can uninstall it |
| 00:36.30 | kergoth | we already have inetd installed |
| 00:36.32 | Onyx4 | its memory footprint is probably a mb each |
| 00:36.39 | kergoth | for people who want to setup a telnet daemon or ftp daemon |
| 00:36.45 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 00:36.54 | kergoth | Id say inetd is more generally useful than always running smb |
| 00:36.58 | Onyx4 | so we just need to alter the postinst to setup samba in inetd.conf instead |
| 00:36.59 | kergoth | any other opinions? |
| 00:36.59 | treke|home | people who want telnet should be shot, hanged, and shot again |
| 00:37.12 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah no kidding |
| 00:37.58 | treke|home | can you run sshd through it? |
| 00:38.22 | kergoth | yes you can, though i heard you can get timing issues with theauthentication |
| 00:38.30 | kergoth | we could test that in a rc |
| 00:38.34 | kergoth | see how it works for the users |
| 00:38.35 | Onyx4 | it would time to start because it has to calculate its random seed and crap like that |
| 00:38.55 | treke|home | ah |
| 00:39.01 | Onyx4 | especially on a low-mhz cpu, it might be a problem |
| 00:39.06 | Onyx4 | not fast enough, will cause login delays |
| 00:39.54 | Onyx4 | the problem is that nmbd will most likely end up always running if there are other windows machines on the net doing broadcast requests for the port |
| 00:40.02 | Onyx4 | but at least smbd will not run unless a connection is requested |
| 00:41.33 | kergoth | I dont care about slight login delays if it gains us a msaller memory footprint. |
| 00:41.42 | kergoth | smaller, that is |
| 00:42.16 | Onyx4 | yeah we would have to check if the login delay causes a problem in the authentification part like some people tell |
| 00:42.27 | kergoth | bleh, foudna compile bug in the c700 sources already |
| 00:42.30 | kergoth | that didnt take long |
| 00:42.42 | Onyx4 | mmm affix is looking for the openobex-config in the old location btw |
| 00:42.49 | kergoth | so fix it |
| 00:43.09 | Onyx4 | so now in each makefile we need to export the libtool with the STAGING_BINDIR ? |
| 00:43.15 | Onyx4 | why not define it right in vars.make? |
| 00:43.33 | kergoth | huh? |
| 00:43.35 | kergoth | i already did so |
| 00:44.02 | Onyx4 | ok, let me look then why it's looking at the old one then |
| 00:44.25 | kergoth | probably just havent pushed yet |
| 00:44.33 | Onyx4 | ah I see now |
| 00:44.36 | kergoth | I have, quite literally, 14 buildroots right now. |
| 00:44.38 | Onyx4 | --with-openobex-prefix=$(STAGING_DIR) |
| 00:44.44 | kergoth | 12 on this box, one on another, and one on yet another |
| 00:45.00 | ljp | 14?!? how lorge is that harddrive? |
| 00:45.10 | kergoth | hafl of them are unbuilt :) |
| 00:45.13 | Onyx4 | yeah I haven't been doing much work on OZ because since I mrproper, I can't actually get a clean build to run |
| 00:45.15 | ljp | oh |
| 00:45.17 | kergoth | and they'r esharing a single sources area |
| 00:45.23 | kergoth | Onyx4: ? |
| 00:45.33 | kergoth | so if it fails, fix it |
| 00:45.38 | Onyx4 | well I can't compile some apps because they depend on others which won't build, etc |
| 00:45.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:45.48 | kergoth | um |
| 00:45.51 | Onyx4 | i'm trying to you change a lot of stuff |
| 00:45.51 | kergoth | I just built an image w/ no problems |
| 00:46.02 | Onyx4 | s/to/but |
| 00:46.12 | kergoth | feed build hasnt been done since rc2 |
| 00:46.42 | Onyx4 | there's probably a few packages Makefile to fix because of this staging dir change |
| 00:46.50 | kergoth | eh? |
| 00:46.54 | kergoth | I patched every makefile. |
| 00:47.03 | Onyx4 | mmm did you push everything? |
| 00:47.07 | kergoth | try reading the changesets before commenting, eh? |
| 00:47.13 | kergoth | I have 3 files unpushed. |
| 00:47.18 | kergoth | everything else is synced |
| 00:47.35 | Onyx4 | cause the affix i'm looking at right now still has the old staging dir defined |
| 00:47.52 | chouimat|away | kergoth: any news? |
| 00:47.57 | kergoth | huh? |
| 00:48.00 | kergoth | where? |
| 00:48.05 | kergoth | openobex prefix is irrelevent |
| 00:48.07 | kergoth | staging dir didnt change |
| 00:48.15 | kergoth | stagign _bin_ and _lib_ dirs chaned individuall |
| 00:48.15 | kergoth | y |
| 00:48.24 | kergoth | go read the fucking changeset before you strt making comments |
| 00:48.31 | Onyx4 | it uses that prefix to look for $(STAGING_DIR)/bin/openobex-config |
| 00:48.35 | kergoth | right |
| 00:48.38 | Onyx4 | which is now moved to the i386-linux directory |
| 00:48.47 | kergoth | and i fixed every bin and lib dir direct reference |
| 00:48.47 | Onyx4 | so it fails right now |
| 00:48.57 | kergoth | if you expect me to fucking divine every assumption by subsequent builds |
| 00:49.02 | kergoth | you're sadly fucking mistaken |
| 00:49.25 | kergoth | I fixed every existing direct reference, indirect references need fixing |
| 00:49.35 | kergoth | so fix it. i'm not going to fucking hold everyone's hand |
| 00:49.43 | kergoth | the changeset outlined the changees. |
| 00:49.50 | Onyx4 | I didn't assume so, I just wanted to see if you already fixed it or not |
| 00:50.12 | kergoth | 18:48 <@Onyx4> cause the affix i'm looking at right now still has the old |
| 00:50.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.20 | kergoth | you obviously had no idea it wasnt staging that changed. |
| 00:50.24 | chouimat|away | http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ |
| 00:50.25 | kergoth | the staging dir is identical to what it was |
| 00:50.31 | kergoth | and include hasnt changed |
| 00:50.37 | Onyx4 | I know, it's only the bin stuff |
| 00:50.43 | kergoth | wrong |
| 00:50.47 | kergoth | its binaries and libraries |
| 00:54.04 | Onyx4 | so should I leave openobex-prefix set to $(STAGING_DIR), but add --with-openobex-exec-prefix=$(STAGING_BINDIR) ? |
| 00:54.47 | kergoth | or pass in the path to openobex-config directly rahter than relying on its sane handling of the prefix. |
| 00:59.34 | Onyx4 | arg --with-openobex-exec-prefix adds an extra bin/ to the path at the end, so it ends up in i386-linux/bin/bin/openobex-config, if I pass it the whole filename it still appends bin/openobex-config, so I would have to patch the configure script? |
| 01:01.44 | kergoth | why not find th evariable configure defines as the openobex-config script, and override that variable? |
| 01:01.59 | kergoth | far simpler, more elegant, and doesnt rely on sane handling of hte passed prefix |
| 01:02.06 | Onyx4 | you can do that from the command line? |
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| 01:02.16 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:02.23 | kergoth | in the makefile |
| 01:02.29 | kergoth | there will be a varible that auto* sets |
| 01:02.35 | kergoth | to the openobex-config script |
| 01:02.36 | Onyx4 | no it's the configure script that fails to run, it errors out |
| 01:02.54 | Onyx4 | it tries to run openobex-config to see what the lib paths are |
| 01:03.26 | Onyx4 | the makefile is not even created at that point yet... |
| 01:03.31 | kergoth | --with-openobex-exec-prefix=$(STAGING_DIR)/$(BUILD_SYS) |
| 01:03.39 | kergoth | should do it |
| 01:03.42 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 01:03.59 | kergoth | or |
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| 01:04.18 | kergoth | --with-openobex-exec-prefix=$(patsubst %/bin,%,$(STAGING_BINDIR)) |
| 01:04.24 | kergoth | would be even better. |
| 01:06.06 | Onyx4 | ok I'll use that |
| 01:10.06 | kergoth | heh, you think the pace of changes is fast now, wait till we drop this buildsystem entirely :) |
| 01:10.21 | Onyx4 | for what else? |
| 01:10.27 | kergoth | read the topic |
| 01:10.46 | Onyx4 | yeah I wish would have more time to catch up, I just have other priorities |
| 01:10.55 | kergoth | yeah, i know how that is |
| 01:10.56 | Onyx4 | but still try to contibute what I can |
| 01:11.54 | kergoth | for some reason the c700 doesnt seem to boot when i let the bootloader pass in the params |
| 01:12.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:12.08 | kergoth | wonder if its overriding my console= |
| 01:12.34 | Onyx4 | the topic says to read the openzaurus.org website which I did, did I miss where it talks about a new buildroot? |
| 01:12.42 | kergoth | no |
| 01:12.46 | kergoth | openembedded.org |
| 01:12.47 | kergoth | .. |
| 01:13.04 | Onyx4 | so it goes to wiki... |
| 01:13.10 | Onyx4 | never used that b4 :) |
| 01:13.34 | kergoth | it wasnt in the topic when the site was empty :) |
| 01:15.27 | Onyx4 | yeah that's a big change to upgrade the buildsystem, it would certainly take us as much time to convert stuff that it did for the old buildroot when we moved over |
| 01:15.53 | Onyx4 | and during that time, we generally don't do fixes/new stuff to OZ applications |
| 01:16.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:16.20 | kergoth | but at some point after hack upon hack upon hack upon hack |
| 01:16.26 | kergoth | you need to do it right :) |
| 01:16.48 | Onyx4 | I guess, but I guess you didn't have that idea before we did this current buildroot right? |
| 01:16.56 | Onyx4 | or you didn't think it would grow as much? |
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| 01:18.13 | Onyx4 | kergoth: you upgraded apmd from 3.1.0 to 3.2.0 but the workaround patch fails to apply, did you saw that? |
| 01:19.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:19.12 | kergoth | the upgrade was required |
| 01:19.18 | kergoth | debian yanked the 3.1.0 sources |
| 01:19.30 | Onyx4 | ah, ok so I'll wait for a new rev of the workaround? |
| 01:19.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:19.42 | Onyx4 | k |
| 01:19.43 | kergoth | or feel free to adapt it yourself |
| 01:19.45 | kergoth | im bout to go eat |
| 01:19.46 | kergoth | bbl |
| 01:20.10 | Onyx4 | ill do the same heh |
| 01:20.26 | Onyx4 | I just mostly wanted to get samba going today since that's needed for rc3 |
| 01:21.15 | Onyx4 | just check-in the c700 smb.conf file over mine, and if you have a good idea on the postinit for updating inetd.conf, that'd be great, cause we don't have the update-inetd script/functions in OZ |
| 01:21.37 | Onyx4 | maybe do like we do for fstab, we grep for it and otherwise we just append |
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| 01:41.52 | mickeyl|tv | who maintains the libsld packages in OZ? |
| 01:45.55 | mickeyl | noone... this is what i've thought... |
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| 04:32.39 | treke|laptop | there we go |
| 04:32.51 | treke|laptop | only too three rebuilds to get rid of those damn files :) |
| 04:35.19 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:39.55 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: ping |
| 04:45.32 | ljp | hehehe in kate FIXME is bright red |
| 04:49.26 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ljp: I think Dessimat0r had some fun with ulyx .... |
| 04:49.30 | JasonNJ | blah. |
| 04:50.21 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 04:51.01 | ljp | why do you think that? |
| 04:51.05 | chouimat|Zzzzz | I want to know who added that lart to ulyx: creates a mess in his underpanrs while watching <who> and Saddam have anal sex |
| 04:51.30 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ljp: ^---------------------------^ |
| 04:51.38 | ljp | ahhh.. hmm |
| 04:52.44 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ljp: I'm off |
| 04:55.16 | ljp | bye |
| 05:11.38 | treke|laptop | kergoth: if its any help, hostap from current CVS is working on the ipaq with the wfc11 |
| 05:12.19 | kergoth | cool. I know wcf11 is working, sheenmaster's problem is with his wcf12 afaik |
| 05:12.24 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 05:13.03 | treke|laptop | their pcmcia one is really impressive :) |
| 05:18.59 | treke|laptop | ibot lart kergoth |
| 05:19.40 | kergoth | ibot: fishslap treke|laptop |
| 05:19.45 | | ACTION slaps treke|laptop up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:19.51 | kergoth | treke|laptop: we need a way to select which kernel modules to put in the image |
| 05:20.00 | treke|laptop | thats for removing the zImage symlink generation for the ipaq kernel :) |
| 05:20.02 | kergoth | treke|laptop: I think its about time I redo our image creation, split it from teh build config |
| 05:20.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:20.20 | kergoth | dood |
| 05:20.23 | kergoth | use the function i added |
| 05:20.32 | kergoth | mkdir packages/kernel-2.4.18-h3600/controldata |
| 05:20.44 | kergoth | echo "mypostinst" > packages/kernel-2.4.18-h3600/controldata/kernel.postinst |
| 05:20.47 | kergoth | ta da |
| 05:20.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:21.02 | treke|laptop | that will run on the buildhost? |
| 05:21.27 | kergoth | its the postinst. |
| 05:21.32 | kergoth | postinsts try to run on build but generally fail |
| 05:21.41 | kergoth | you need that link for first boot? |
| 05:21.45 | treke|laptop | yup |
| 05:21.54 | kergoth | hmm, make the postinst work for build |
| 05:22.00 | kergoth | use the env var for the offline root |
| 05:22.06 | treke|laptop | the bootldr loads /boot/zImage unless you have specified something else |
| 05:22.10 | kergoth | $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT or whatever |
| 05:23.11 | kergoth | echo ln -sf /boot/zImage.@@KERNELVERSION@@ $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/boot/zImage > packages/kernel-2.4.18-h3600/controldata/kernel.postinst |
| 05:23.15 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 05:23.29 | treke|laptop | ok, I'll try something similar |
| 05:23.57 | kergoth | we could add that for the general kernel.postinst, it wont hurt the Z, but you want a seperate one anyway |
| 05:24.07 | kergoth | as the Z cat's it into the mtd device in the postinst |
| 05:24.10 | kergoth | whereas ipaq doesnt need to |
| 05:30.03 | treke|laptop | ugh, well thats enough of this damn computer for the day |
| 05:38.04 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: alive ?:) |
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| 07:03.25 | kergoth | NAND LOADER ... in NOR |
| 07:03.25 | kergoth | built on Oct 15 2002 at 19:18:18 |
| 07:03.26 | kergoth | func= 00000000 |
| 07:03.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:03.47 | kergoth | messages as it jumps to the kernel |
| 07:09.26 | Dilb_enerve | compiling on strongarm is so slowwwwwwwwwwww |
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| 08:25.48 | kergoth | ffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00040034: 0x0006 in |
| 08:25.51 | kergoth | stead |
| 08:25.54 | kergoth | Further such events for this erase block will not be printed |
| 08:25.56 | kergoth | Node at 0x00043978 with length 0x00000723 would run over the end of the erase bl |
| 08:25.59 | kergoth | ock |
| 08:26.02 | kergoth | Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size? |
| 08:26.05 | kergoth | damnit. |
| 08:26.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 08:26.09 | TheMasterMind1 | what're you working on |
| 08:26.19 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.kingsofchaos.com/freaky.php |
| 08:26.19 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 08:27.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: OZ for C700 |
| 08:27.10 | TheMasterMind1 | oh nice |
| 08:27.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 08:27.12 | kergoth | it doesnt like the images i'm building |
| 08:27.19 | kergoth | but i added a few printks |
| 08:27.24 | kergoth | and the erase block size is correct |
| 08:27.26 | kergoth | so i dunno why its bitchin |
| 08:27.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 08:27.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 08:27.55 | kergoth | so now im gonna see if jffs2reader dumps any info about an image other than file list |
| 08:27.59 | kergoth | like say, erase block size |
| 08:28.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:28.01 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 08:28.07 | kergoth | cause i've got the stock sharp images |
| 08:28.11 | kergoth | someting to compare against |
| 08:31.52 | kergoth | Kernel command line: console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),25600k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete LOGO=1 LAUNCH=q |
| 08:31.55 | kergoth | long commandline eh? |
| 08:33.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 08:33.25 | kergoth | bootloader passes it |
| 08:33.37 | kergoth | CMDLINE only has console= and root= at compiletime |
| 08:33.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 08:36.29 | kergoth | haha |
| 08:37.03 | kergoth | I count 5 typos in the kernel boot messages alone |
| 08:37.13 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 08:40.57 | kergoth | grr |
| 08:41.05 | kergoth | why does it not like my initrd.bin? i dont get it. |
| 08:41.06 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 10:14.15 | tronical | morning. is bkbits.net reachable for anyone/ |
| 10:14.20 | tronical | s,/,?, |
| 10:17.54 | Dilb_enerve | from CRL I can, from DT no route to host |
| 10:18.25 | tronical | ah, hence the 'enerve' postfix? :) |
| 10:18.42 | tronical | moin Dilb, btw |
| 10:19.07 | Dilb_enerve | it works again I think from DT :) |
| 10:19.18 | Dilb_enerve | 17 packets transmitted, 17 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 10:19.18 | Dilb_enerve | round-trip min/avg/max = 330.8/395.8/431.0 ms |
| 10:19.25 | Dilb_enerve | perfect connection ;o) |
| 10:19.41 | tronical | oh, indeed. yay |
| 10:19.57 | tronical | Nothing to pull from bk://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot -- bummer :) |
| 10:20.17 | Dilb_enerve | new patches/version for op2 is coming |
| 10:21.03 | Dilb_enerve | if the strongarm is able to compile my tests quickly |
| 10:21.17 | Dilb_enerve | not yet, they are only local |
| 10:21.24 | tronical | ah, cool |
| 10:21.42 | tronical | (is that the reason for _enerve? :) |
| 10:21.56 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: no, this network is the reason |
| 10:22.14 | tronical | ahh |
| 10:22.19 | Dilb_enerve | more precisely opers from this network |
| 10:23.39 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: and btw, I will leave this network in the next days |
| 10:24.01 | tronical | Dilb_enerve: you'll leave freenode? why? |
| 10:24.22 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: I'm fed up with opers' behaviour on this network |
| 10:24.32 | Dilb_enerve | really fed up |
| 10:24.34 | tronical | Dilb_enerve: what did you they? :} |
| 10:24.41 | tronical | err, they |
| 10:24.49 | Dilb_enerve | ? |
| 10:25.08 | tronical | what did they do? |
| 10:25.34 | superM | hehe |
| 10:26.02 | tronical | apt-get install grammar |
| 10:26.06 | tronical | oops, wrong terminal |
| 10:26.26 | Harlekin | links dict.leo.org |
| 10:26.35 | superM | tronical needs coffee ;) |
| 10:26.55 | Dilb_enerve | sending global notices on irrelevant things, many wallops too, so interesting (but ok, I can disactivate it, but then I can miss relevant information, sometimes there are some, a few), and I don't like what lilo is doing with this network and the old opn name |
| 10:27.28 | tronical | Dilb_enerve: I see. where are you heading to then? ircnet? |
| 10:27.42 | tronical | (don't say efnet :) |
| 10:27.45 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: I'm coming from ircnet already |
| 10:27.53 | tronical | ahh |
| 10:27.55 | Dilb_enerve | probably move to oftc |
| 10:28.21 | Dilb_enerve | _was_ |
| 10:28.37 | tronical | oh, I mistood then :) |
| 10:28.55 | tronical | misunderstood |
| 10:28.57 | Dilb_enerve | before OPN, I was on ircnet |
| 10:30.06 | tronical | them |
| 10:30.28 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: but you can't do the same with global notices |
| 10:30.43 | Dilb_enerve | as they should only be used for relevant information |
| 10:31.28 | tronical | I usually close them, too, and usually ignore them. it used to be really annoying during the funding days, but IMHO it has settled back to a fair level again |
| 10:31.46 | Dilb_enerve | but wallops and notices are not the main reason, it's more on lilo's side |
| 10:32.24 | Dilb_enerve | at least you have seen the notices related to the fundraising |
| 10:32.41 | Dilb_enerve | (at least part of them) |
| 10:32.42 | tronical | yeah, those annoyed me to death :) |
| 10:32.50 | Harlekin | i never notices lilo either |
| 10:32.59 | Harlekin | since i dont see what he posts |
| 10:33.00 | tronical | but well, they're gone, and I forget quickly (that could be seen as a fault of mine :) |
| 10:33.12 | Harlekin | only if people complain I do an extra look for it |
| 10:33.22 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: you are optimistic, they will come back soon |
| 10:33.43 | Dilb_enerve | really soon, in about the time for an auction to end |
| 10:34.10 | Dilb_enerve | s/end/finish/ in english I think :) |
| 10:34.47 | Dilb_enerve | Harlekin: for the problem with the new xine-lib, it's solved, another change in the interfaces |
| 10:35.01 | tronical | let's see. currently the advantages overweight for me (like, the generally really friendly atmosphere and lack of ops/takeover-wars, etc.) |
| 10:35.02 | Harlekin | Dilb_enerve: which problem? |
| 10:35.09 | Harlekin | Dilb_enerve: the crippled mpeg playback? |
| 10:35.56 | Dilb_enerve | Harlekin: I didn't check this one, but I still think it is due to ffmpeg, I mean the problem with the post ß2 versions |
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| 10:52.34 | Dilb_enerve | shiiiiiiiit |
| 10:53.05 | carsten | Dilb_enerve: hi :) |
| 10:53.13 | Dilb_enerve | hi carsten |
| 10:53.33 | Dilb_enerve | xine code is soooooooooooooo dirty sometimes |
| 10:55.36 | Harlekin | Dilb_enerve: still no xine cvs account? |
| 10:55.53 | Dilb_enerve | Harlekin: I don't want one |
| 10:56.09 | Dilb_enerve | (I don't want one for opie too) |
| 11:01.16 | Dilb_enerve | does anyone know if it is possible to avoid the data alignment on boundaries for structure with gcc for arm ? |
| 11:01.54 | tronical | Dilb_enerve: you mean like a working __attribute__((packed)) ? |
| 11:02.05 | Dilb_enerve | (something better than a nasty hack using packed) |
| 11:02.15 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: yeah :) |
| 11:02.22 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: hmm not really |
| 11:02.42 | Dilb_enerve | it's not direct with packed |
| 11:02.59 | Dilb_enerve | my problem is the alignment on the first word, not really packing |
| 11:03.23 | Dilb_enerve | but I can do something nasty with packing and new "members" |
| 11:04.23 | Dilb_enerve | it's so terrible to have a CPU able to take care of the alignment by itself, having such a bad C interface |
| 11:06.14 | Dilb_enerve | what I'm looking for is more in the padding section than in the data alignment one :) |
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| 11:17.58 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | how can i get executable files running by just typing: #prog ...so i ont have to write #./prog ....? |
| 11:18.53 | carsten | BiGBiGYLLaMa: put them in you path |
| 11:18.58 | carsten | your |
| 11:19.14 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | my path? |
| 11:19.26 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | how? |
| 11:20.49 | carsten | export PATH=/home/blah/blub:$PATH |
| 11:21.02 | carsten | this extends you PATH with /home/blah/blub |
| 11:21.51 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | ok |
| 11:21.55 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | thx |
| 11:24.18 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | do i have to reset the path after reboot? |
| 11:24.44 | carsten | yes |
| 11:24.51 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | hmm |
| 11:24.54 | carsten | but you can but that in your ~/.bashrc |
| 11:25.04 | carsten | (in case you use the bash) |
| 11:25.59 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | well i think so :) |
| 11:27.27 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | what is ~ ? path whereto? |
| 11:28.45 | carsten | ~ is you home-dir |
| 11:28.53 | carsten | /home/BiG or so |
| 11:29.13 | carsten | probably /home/martin |
| 11:29.49 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | :) |
| 11:30.10 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | when i have no users it is /home/root |
| 11:31.37 | BiGBiGYLLaMa | is .bash.profile same as .bashrc? |
| 11:32.14 | carsten | no |
| 11:32.23 | carsten | BiGBiGYLLaMa: do /query carsten please |
| 11:36.37 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: it looks like it is working on gcc 3.x.y |
| 11:37.53 | tronical | Dilb_enerve: op2? of course :) |
| 11:38.05 | Dilb_enerve | tronical: no the packed attribute |
| 11:38.20 | tronical | oh, ah, yes, it better :) |
| 11:38.57 | Dilb_enerve | ... I think people will have to decide soon between their tkc apps and opie.... |
| 11:41.25 | Dilb_enerve | at least, as long as bitfield support is not as bad as in BC5 and older, it's not too painful :) |
| 11:48.18 | Harlekin | a gcc3.2 rom ready? |
| 11:49.31 | Dilb_enerve | I don't know, but from now on, I will only compile the codecs with gcc 3.2 |
| 11:50.25 | Dilb_enerve | so people using buildroot will have to be careful |
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| 12:23.38 | Twiun | afternoon folks |
| 12:23.44 | XavierXeon | howdy |
| 12:25.10 | Dilb_enerve | marvellous, now I have a 20971520x9437184 stream, too much fun patching everything :) |
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| 15:33.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:42.41 | ljp | who's havin' fun here? |
| 15:44.24 | chouimat | no body |
| 15:45.31 | ljp | I am |
| 15:45.48 | ljp | I just found some integer FFT's |
| 15:46.46 | chouimat | ljp: I just need a huge coffee |
| 15:47.14 | chouimat | arrrggg it's snowing |
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| 15:54.40 | ljp | it helps to have headers files when compiling something |
| 15:54.53 | tronical | sometimes :) |
| 15:55.22 | ljp | and having the library to link too also helps greatly |
| 15:55.44 | tronical | have sourcecode to compile occasionally helps, too :) |
| 15:55.52 | ljp | yup |
| 15:56.22 | tronical | I wonder though if a compiler is really necessary |
| 15:56.56 | ljp | not on windows |
| 15:57.01 | tronical | hehe |
| 15:57.22 | chouimat | no just VB |
| 15:57.50 | ljp | I wrote one vb macro for vc++ |
| 15:58.19 | ljp | and it was very controversial |
| 15:58.28 | chouimat | ljp: I remember hvaing paid 200$ for a windows soft and find out that app shipped vbrun200 :) |
| 15:58.39 | ljp | haha |
| 15:59.18 | ljp | gov't should require software packaging to list all library files linked too/needed |
| 16:07.52 | ljp | the helix alsa driver code I am doing will support 5.1 sound before anything else in helix does :) |
| 16:08.12 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 16:11.35 | ljp | curses the one that designed arm processors without fpu!! |
| 16:16.01 | chouimat | ljp: used fixed point math :) |
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| 16:16.50 | ljp | bah! |
| 16:17.16 | NOfpu | my mantissa has forsaken me |
| 16:18.43 | chouimat | ulyx: lart NOfpu |
| 16:19.09 | NOfpu | my bladder control has forsaken me |
| 16:20.49 | chouimat | hmmm my cat use the doors frames to sharpen his claws |
| 16:22.24 | ljp | squirt gun time |
| 16:22.24 | NOfpu | ulyx: lart the claws of chouimat's cat |
| 16:22.31 | NOfpu | ouch |
| 16:23.15 | chouimat | NOfpu: I prefer that he use the door frame than my couch |
| 16:23.35 | NOfpu | fair point |
| 16:23.56 | NOfpu | unit |
| 16:26.07 | NOfpu | ulyx: lart NOfpu |
| 16:26.29 | NOfpu | lol |
| 16:27.00 | ljp | my cat is an evil fly hunter! |
| 16:27.32 | chouimat | ulyx: lart NOfpu |
| 16:28.14 | ljp | ohh.. alsa does much better on this machine than OSS |
| 16:28.47 | NOfpu | ulyx: lart chouimat's couch |
| 16:28.49 | chouimat | ljp: huh? |
| 16:28.51 | mdh | If I try 3.1-rc2, do I need to point to testing for packages, or will stable work fine? |
| 16:29.26 | ljp | the 4front drivers for this audio card suck, alsa does much better |
| 16:32.41 | chouimat | ljp: which card? |
| 16:33.02 | ljp | awe64G |
| 16:33.27 | chouimat | ljp: that card is based on wich chip? |
| 16:33.44 | ljp | its a sb |
| 16:34.15 | chouimat | ljp: I have the sb pci 16 (ensoniq 1371, AC-97) |
| 16:34.17 | ljp | not to mention the rme on that machine over there |
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| 17:25.23 | mdh | Okay, I've installed 3.1-rc2. Then USB network is up, but qtopiadesktop (linux) cannot see my Z. Do I need to do something to enable it? |
| 17:31.59 | CrazyGogo | somehow my SD card is not readable/writeable after resume... though mount shows it mountet as RW... what could that be and how could i solve this problem? |
| 17:38.27 | RealUlli | CrazyGogo: i'm not sure about possible FS damage etc, but i'd try to eject/reinsert the card... |
| 17:38.48 | RealUlli | CrazyGogo: possibly try to umount first... |
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| 17:41.18 | CrazyGogo | RealUlli: i'm running 64-0 ... someone told me that opie is liky to crash wehen i simply umount/mount the card... |
| 17:43.13 | chouimat | ibot seen Dessimat0r |
| 17:43.17 | | dessimat0r <Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 20h 33m 14s ago, saying: 'argh, eMule has sapped all my memory again'. |
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| 17:53.04 | chouimat | ibot seen kergoth |
| 17:53.04 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #openembedded #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 958 messages. Is idling for 9h 11m 58s |
| 17:53.53 | treke|home | ibot sen kergoth? |
| 17:53.53 | | treke|home: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:53.56 | treke|home | doh |
| 17:54.15 | chouimat | treke|home: hmmm code 18? |
| 17:59.33 | chouimat | wooohooo that plugin works!!!! |
| 18:00.01 | treke|home | code 18? |
| 18:00.41 | chouimat | treke: the problem is 18" in front of the screen :) |
| 18:01.00 | treke|home | ah |
| 18:02.01 | chouimat | treke|home: hehe. my first plugin for the new buildsystem work ... but the buildsystem would need mor work |
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| 19:15.39 | lsmith | thx for that news update on oz.org kergoth |
| 19:27.34 | chouimat | arrggggggggggggggggggg I won't be able to use that 2.5GB drive with the webpal :( |
| 19:29.48 | ljp | bios? |
| 19:30.27 | chouimat | ljp: 3.5" |
| 19:31.08 | chouimat | ljp: maybe by using an old computer case as an external case that could work ... need investigation |
| 19:35.20 | chouimat | ibot seen kergoth |
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| 19:36.26 | RealUlli | chouimat: i think he's in bed... or something... ;-) |
| 19:37.22 | chouimat | RealUlli: with his cat????? |
| 19:37.44 | RealUlli | chouimat: no idea... ;-) |
| 19:38.08 | RealUlli | chouimat: i saw him today in the morning... he was *still* up... |
| 19:38.26 | RealUlli | ok... he's on another continent, but still... ;-) |
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| 20:07.07 | treke|home | mornin jason |
| 20:08.39 | chouimat | hi JasonNJ |
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| 20:12.48 | chouimat | ulyx lart buildsystems |
| 20:12.50 | RealUlli | hu jason :-) |
| 20:13.02 | chouimat | ulyx lart buildsystems |
| 20:15.26 | chouimat | ulyx lart buildsystems |
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| 20:32.24 | RealUlli | re |
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| 21:00.00 | chouimat | ibot seen kergoth |
| 21:00.01 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (1h 18s) #uclibc (1h 18s) #picogui (1h 18s) #tuxscreen (1h 18s) #zaurus (1h 18s) #elinux (1h 18s) #openembedded (1h 18s) #handhelds.org (1h 18s) #openzaurus (1h 18s) |
| 21:00.34 | treke|home | sleepy bastard |
| 21:00.40 | kergoth | fuck |
| 21:00.42 | kergoth | i just woke up |
| 21:00.44 | kergoth | like 15 minutes ago |
| 21:00.55 | treke|home | ~its like 2pm here :) |
| 21:00.59 | kergoth | its 3 here |
| 21:01.00 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:01.35 | treke|home | quality |
| 21:02.20 | tronical | hey kergoth |
| 21:02.33 | chouimat | kergoth: I got a little plugin working for my new buildsystem ... multitple distributed code repository and parallel branch of develpment supported ... I ditching everything and I will use scons for basis of the next generation |
| 21:02.47 | tronical | kergoth: 3 o'clock... that sounds about the right time to give me a hint how to make apmd compile in oz (failing patch ;) |
| 21:03.54 | treke|home | of course it may not actually work, but it applies |
| 21:05.32 | tronical | treke|home: can you mail me your patch? |
| 21:06.07 | treke|home | sure |
| 21:06.34 | tronical | (simon@immd10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ; thx :) |
| 21:06.46 | treke|home | memorable address |
| 21:07.07 | Dilb | so easy to remember it :) |
| 21:07.23 | tronical | ;) not really, but having it there makes it easier to move to my build machine |
| 21:08.13 | tronical | eeek! |
| 21:08.36 | chouimat | ulyx: lart ljp |
| 21:08.45 | tronical | heh |
| 21:09.55 | ljp | whats a nan? |
| 21:11.39 | treke|home | kergoth: did you commit the change to ipkg-make-ipks that makes it use controldata? I dont seen anything in buildroot that looks like it would read the stuff in that directory |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | treke|home: the final commadnline arguments to the script are the subsequent control data dirs it parses |
| 21:12.38 | treke|home | ah |
| 21:12.45 | kergoth | treke|home: simply add $(TOPDIR)/packages/kernel-2.4.18-h3600/controldata to the commandline |
| 21:12.52 | treke|home | that would explain it :) |
| 21:13.22 | kergoth | yep, you can place the control data wherever you like, it just has a sane default path .. that is, kernel-packages within the directory that the script resides in |
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| 21:18.03 | chouimat | kergoth: that would be very easy to adapt Scons to our need |
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| 21:27.48 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 21:29.29 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: I found your mess with ulyx |
| 21:35.36 | treke|home | this wim delvaux is really getting annoying |
| 21:36.32 | treke|home | he now wants to look at all kinds of nasty hacks to the ramfs driver so that it persists between reboots |
| 21:37.02 | chouimat | treke|home: huh? |
| 21:38.41 | mickeyl | kergoth: we need links from $(STAGING_DIR)/$(BUILD_SYS)/include and $(STAGING_DIR)/$(SYS)/include to $(STAGING_DIR)/include. Can bitkeeper store links? |
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| 21:53.03 | mickeyl | never mind. staging is not in bk anyway. doing them at config stage maybe. |
| 21:53.04 | chouimat | mickeyl: you will be happy my new buildsystem will be scons based ... |
| 21:53.18 | mickeyl | chouimat: really? very cool. how far are you? |
| 21:53.55 | chouimat | mickeyl: I'm ditching my previous work ... I'm stabilising the feature list |
| 21:54.30 | mickeyl | chouimat: i added some stuff to the build goals in the oe wiki. maybe you like to read 'em. |
| 21:55.06 | chouimat | mickeyl: it will be usefull to me if we all take time to talk about the new build system before I code something |
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| 21:58.20 | chouimat | mickeyl: I have my own feature requirement but they can be easily put into plugin, but scons do the basic stuff I need |
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| 22:01.33 | mickeyl | chouimat: sounds too good... any estimation when this will be ready? |
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| 22:02.54 | chouimat | mickeyl: no idea, i need to talk about the features with all of you before doing anything ... the current cvs scons is a good engine for us and it's very very easy to a xcompile support to |
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| 22:31.36 | hobbs | can you say "uh-huh?" I can. :) |
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| 22:40.31 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 22:41.46 | hobbs | hi treke |
| 22:48.49 | treke|home | er sh manual |
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| 22:54.57 | CrazyGogo | j zaurus |
| 23:03.11 | treke|home | hmmm, that should not have fixed the script |
| 23:17.16 | Dilb | bye |
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| 23:51.23 | CmdrChalupa | what's this about sd not working in 3.1pre ? the sharp module stop working? |