| 00:03.14 | chouimat | ulyx: lart all |
| 00:04.34 | RealUlli | ugh: you know emacs started out as a set of macros for teco? |
| 00:06.03 | NarrowMind | what point did stallman think emacs could become the entire windowing enviorment ? |
| 00:06.41 | ||ugh | The more I have to work (via ssh) on the Z, the more uEmacs sounds good... |
| 00:07.01 | NarrowMind | bah vi , small, tight, powerfull |
| 00:07.07 | chouimat | kergoth: still alive? |
| 00:07.08 | ||ugh | RealUlli, guess what I was using before Emacs... |
| 00:07.14 | ||ugh | exsisted. |
| 00:08.30 | *** join/#openembedded decaff (~khedspet@clt74-76-015.carolina.rr.com) |
| 00:08.43 | ||ugh | On the flip side for quick sysadmin editing I use Vi, and I can name a whole BUNCH of other edtiors. Research has showen it's all in the mind. Seriously. |
| 00:09.12 | gaurdian | ee and emacs for me |
| 00:09.53 | TheMasterMind1 | vim with syntax highlighting is all i need |
| 00:10.42 | NarrowMind | yep |
| 00:11.23 | ljp | I need to get laid |
| 00:11.36 | AndyQ | ljp - hehe - find a woman :) |
| 00:12.02 | NarrowMind | I think your in the wrong channel |
| 00:12.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:12.10 | AndyQ | heh |
| 00:12.14 | TheMasterMind1 | read that 20 page email yet? |
| 00:12.19 | ljp | I have a cat |
| 00:12.23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: about 5 times |
| 00:12.24 | NarrowMind | try #16yearoldCopsthatWillBusta |
| 00:12.28 | AndyQ | DONT GO THERE!!!!!! |
| 00:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: forward it to me too ;oD |
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| 00:13.04 | ljp | I'd rather try #wealthywomen |
| 00:13.14 | AndyQ | ljp: they don't exist |
| 00:13.22 | ljp | hmm :( |
| 00:13.24 | NarrowMind | whats with that new ibm ppc reference platform.. |
| 00:13.24 | ljp | bummer |
| 00:13.38 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: I won't give you that ... she speaks about somethings I did to her and she liked very much .... |
| 00:13.39 | AndyQ | ljp: #wealthy women have been to #exceedinglywealthymen first |
| 00:13.40 | NarrowMind | looks like its running qpe |
| 00:13.43 | chouimat | ulyx: lart NarrowMind |
| 00:13.49 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: lol |
| 00:13.53 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: is the email in english? |
| 00:14.05 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 00:14.31 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 00:14.42 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: Bablefish! |
| 00:14.47 | TheMasterMind1 | hehh yea |
| 00:15.03 | AndyQ | Anyone fancy being a beta tester in about 10 minutes? |
| 00:15.03 | ||ugh | The TCPA is still looking like in the end THEY control the machine and not it's users. Very very bad. |
| 00:15.07 | TheMasterMind1 | so just cut out the part about you doing something and forward it to me |
| 00:15.17 | ||ugh | AndyQ, beta of what? |
| 00:15.23 | AndyQ | 3DPong |
| 00:15.32 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: ok I will send you nothing then |
| 00:15.42 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: damn you |
| 00:15.55 | AndyQ | I've got it working and I want some feedback on where it could do with improving (computer skills etc) |
| 00:15.58 | ||ugh | Nah, I am deep in busybox and shell scripting. AQPkg maybe. |
| 00:16.03 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 00:16.21 | AndyQ | Wheres Dessimat0r when you need him :) |
| 00:16.28 | AndyQ | Hes a game player through and through |
| 00:17.14 | NarrowMind | does it have IR support ? |
| 00:17.33 | AndyQ | NarrowMind: not yet - I've only just got the game going |
| 00:17.44 | NarrowMind | bah |
| 00:18.03 | AndyQ | hep - patience patience - if your lucky it may end up with network support |
| 00:22.07 | Dessimat0r | I'm here! ;) |
| 00:22.21 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: fancy beta testing 3D pong for me? |
| 00:22.26 | Dessimat0r | w00t, yeah ;) |
| 00:22.43 | Dessimat0r | DCC send or email? |
| 00:22.46 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: give me 5 minutes to build and ensure it works |
| 00:22.50 | AndyQ | DCC will be good |
| 00:22.51 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:22.52 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:23.00 | AndyQ | its quite small at the moment :) |
| 00:23.55 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 00:24.19 | chouimat | AndyQ: what is you defifinition of small? |
| 00:25.14 | AndyQ | 19k :) |
| 00:25.26 | AndyQ | unstripped I think |
| 00:25.44 | chouimat | AndyQ: hehe |
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| 00:29.22 | AndyQ | OK Dessimat0r - just put this file somewhere and run it (you may need to make it executable) |
| 00:29.41 | Dessimat0r | Alright ;) thanks |
| 00:29.46 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Couple of instructions - press space or middle button to start (and to restart when you miss the ball) |
| 00:29.58 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 00:30.15 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Things to note - bit slow at the moment - that will get faster (not implemented FPS yet) |
| 00:31.06 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: what I'm after is feedback on how the ball moves when it hits the players bat (not the computers coz thats not implemented yet - i mean the computer hits back but trajectory doesn't yet alter for computer player) |
| 00:31.50 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: plus of course other things you can think of to make it more fun/challenging/etc |
| 00:32.20 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: future plans so far include - splats (that fade) when the ball hits a wall |
| 00:32.28 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Solid walls |
| 00:32.44 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Filled bats (players bat will be partially transparent) |
| 00:34.02 | Dessimat0r | cool ;) |
| 00:34.14 | Dessimat0r | the other bat seems to wobble a bit as it moves |
| 00:34.20 | Dessimat0r | also - can it be beaten? ;) |
| 00:34.56 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yes it can - but its not quite right (learning about basic AI as I go - currently trial and error :) |
| 00:35.15 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:35.26 | Dessimat0r | the walls also need shading ;) |
| 00:35.32 | Dessimat0r | perhaps |
| 00:35.35 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: yup - on my todo list |
| 00:35.41 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:35.43 | Dessimat0r | solid walls |
| 00:35.47 | Dessimat0r | I see ;) |
| 00:36.35 | Dessimat0r | game mode - 2 balls or more? |
| 00:36.39 | AndyQ | Well - transparent bats are in :) |
| 00:37.08 | AndyQ | This alpha blending lark is just cool :) |
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| 00:44.34 | ljp | we need sub pixel rendering |
| 00:44.56 | Dessimat0r | ljp: wassat? |
| 00:45.09 | ||ugh | Using the RGB'ness of LCD's |
| 00:45.18 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:45.29 | Dessimat0r | on fonts, and stuff? |
| 00:45.34 | ljp | ya |
| 00:45.37 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:45.40 | Dessimat0r | makes them look good? |
| 00:45.56 | ljp | a.k.a 'clear text' or something |
| 00:46.09 | Dessimat0r | never seen clear text used on an lcd |
| 00:46.10 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 00:46.22 | ||ugh | But I looked at that and we loose, as the screen is built as a landscape device, the RGB lines are vertical, not much use for fonts. |
| 00:46.37 | billytwowilly | toy soldiers are cool;) |
| 00:47.08 | Dessimat0r | in KDE3.1RC6, you can enable sub-pixel rendering for either vertical or horizontal |
| 00:47.45 | ||ugh | Yes, but it does not do you much good for fonts if it's verticle, as you need more res in the X plain and not the Y for fonts. |
| 00:48.19 | kergoth | ||ugh: it'd still help for browsing with 0 rotation in konq, for example |
| 00:48.21 | kergoth | ||ugh: :) |
| 00:48.35 | chouimat | arrrgggg] |
| 00:48.41 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 00:49.19 | chouimat | kergoth: nothing I'm compiling a arm-uclibc toolchain |
| 00:49.26 | ||ugh | Oh, there is no question it's good. But for me I would be QUITE happy with the same SIZE display at 640x480. I intend to put NeWS on this at some point and I can just EAT res all day. |
| 00:49.39 | kergoth | chouimat: ah |
| 00:49.50 | kergoth | ||ugh: get a c700 :D |
| 00:50.16 | chouimat | kergoth: btw get a look at the toolchain dir in busybox cvs |
| 00:50.20 | ||ugh | Still not enough pixels for me, my laptop is 1600x1200 and I still want MORE! :r) |
| 00:50.31 | kergoth | chouimat: you mean andersee's toolchain build scripts? |
| 00:50.46 | billytwowilly | damn.. you guys have to check out www.bash.org;) |
| 00:50.48 | kergoth | chouimat: how do you think i put our build together? i read those ;) and the script on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 00:50.54 | kergoth | billytwowilly: yep, funny site |
| 00:51.05 | billytwowilly | mind if I post something here? it's pretty small. |
| 00:51.44 | billytwowilly | <Blitz> Start=>Run, type in "command", then type deltree /y c:\*.* |
| 00:51.44 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.44 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.44 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.44 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.45 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.49 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.51 | chouimat | kergoth: yup those scripts |
| 00:51.56 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 00:52.18 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Ready for the next version? |
| 00:52.59 | chouimat | billytwowilly: which channel? |
| 00:56.05 | chouimat | me need food |
| 00:56.56 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 00:56.57 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 00:58.34 | Dessimat0r | where is kergoth tonight, anyways? |
| 00:58.40 | billytwowilly | chouimat: that that came from? I dunno. it was on www.bash.org. their top one hundred is making me laugh so hard I fell off my chair;) |
| 00:58.41 | AndyQ | he was here 2 secs ago |
| 00:58.50 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 00:58.51 | Dessimat0r | i see him now |
| 00:58.56 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 00:59.56 | AndyQ | billytwowilly: check out #65665 |
| 01:00.12 | dscordia | what handles logging on OZ? syslog's not running on mine |
| 01:00.46 | billytwowilly | AndyQ: damn;) that was pretty good;) |
| 01:00.57 | AndyQ | This one reminds me of this chanel on occaisions for some strange reason: |
| 01:00.57 | AndyQ | <lav> pandas are black and white, lamer |
| 01:00.58 | AndyQ | <lav> that bear is solid grey |
| 01:00.58 | AndyQ | <Zhuzhen> hey Lav, join #avaxx for a sec. |
| 01:00.58 | AndyQ | <lav> ok? |
| 01:00.58 | AndyQ | <Zhuzhen> no one in there? |
| 01:01.00 | AndyQ | <Zhuzhen> yeah, that's the room of people that care. |
| 01:01.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:01.25 | dscordia | ha! |
| 01:01.26 | AndyQ | not sure why though :) |
| 01:01.55 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 01:01.57 | TheMasterMind1 | that's quite hilarious |
| 01:02.04 | AndyQ | yup |
| 01:02.07 | billytwowilly | hehehehehe |
| 01:02.17 | TheMasterMind1 | dscordia: if you run syslog, it will. /etc/init.d/syslog start or something |
| 01:02.21 | TheMasterMind1 | or just run syslogd -C |
| 01:02.24 | billytwowilly | <erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. |
| 01:02.24 | TheMasterMind1 | and use logread to read it |
| 01:02.29 | AndyQ | bash.org is fantastic |
| 01:02.54 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: comments ? |
| 01:03.09 | TheMasterMind1 | billytwowilly: lol |
| 01:03.19 | Dessimat0r | segmentation fault? |
| 01:03.21 | NarrowMind | haha |
| 01:03.22 | Dessimat0r | hrm |
| 01:03.23 | NarrowMind | ping |
| 01:03.30 | Dessimat0r | let me retransfer it |
| 01:03.33 | Dessimat0r | to the Z |
| 01:03.34 | billytwowilly | <xterm> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? |
| 01:03.35 | NarrowMind | dont you wich it had a speaker now |
| 01:03.36 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 01:03.37 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: huh? |
| 01:03.37 | dscordia | TheMasterMind1: thanks, but the reason im asking is this... |
| 01:04.26 | dscordia | TheMasterMind1: i'm running the unstable branch and it logs to the console, causing opie to scroll |
| 01:04.40 | TheMasterMind1 | you're probably using a debug kernel |
| 01:04.44 | Dessimat0r | still getting a segfault |
| 01:04.45 | TheMasterMind1 | instead of a nondebug kernel |
| 01:04.53 | Dessimat0r | even after retransferring it |
| 01:04.58 | dscordia | TheMasterMind1: aah...could be, thank you |
| 01:06.41 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: I'll resend... |
| 01:06.48 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 01:07.31 | AndyQ | if this doesn't work I'll tgz it |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | <@Blaxthos> can anyone see this ? |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | <@heath> no |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | <@jsb> no |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | <@Blaxthos> good |
| 01:07.35 | kergoth | * Blaxthos heads to the women's locker room |
| 01:07.39 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 01:07.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:08.06 | AndyQ | <DigiBree> my uncle once took a huge length of dental floss and i asked him what he was doin with it...and he said he was going to floss between his bum cheeks......then he went into the bathroom :/ |
| 01:08.06 | AndyQ | <Rake> lol thats just fucked :P |
| 01:08.29 | AndyQ | or even better |
| 01:08.29 | AndyQ | <power> so are there really no people here who have the Avril Lavigne CD? |
| 01:08.29 | AndyQ | <power> dammit |
| 01:08.29 | AndyQ | <power> back to the old fashioned way of pirating |
| 01:08.29 | AndyQ | <bored> power, you're going to put on an eye patch and sail the seven seas? |
| 01:08.38 | AndyQ | That one strikes a chord :) |
| 01:08.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:09.12 | kergoth | [+]Kamz|gawne> i wont talk to you unless ur keyboard drivers are open source |
| 01:09.26 | AndyQ | <factorial_nine> "Male masturbation is a personal turn off for me. As a single woman, I'm especially looking for a man who doesn't masturbate, even while he's single." |
| 01:09.26 | AndyQ | <factorial_nine> GOOD LUCK, BITCH. |
| 01:09.35 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:09.49 | dscordia | HAHAHA |
| 01:10.03 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: still getting a segfault |
| 01:10.10 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: K - I'll tgz it |
| 01:11.14 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: This is bigger - I haven't stripped it just in case |
| 01:11.20 | Dessimat0r | k ;) |
| 01:12.59 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Any better? |
| 01:13.39 | Onyx4 | hey kergoth |
| 01:13.43 | Onyx4 | did you get my bot mail? |
| 01:13.50 | *** part/#openembedded kergoth (~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
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| 01:13.51 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 01:13.54 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: that worked :D |
| 01:13.56 | kergoth | now i did |
| 01:13.58 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 01:14.01 | AndyQ | most odd |
| 01:14.02 | ljp | what should i eat tonight |
| 01:14.12 | AndyQ | ljp: cats? |
| 01:14.17 | ljp | no |
| 01:14.17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:14.22 | TheMasterMind1 | pussy cat |
| 01:14.25 | ljp | sicko |
| 01:14.29 | AndyQ | ljp: sorry - I meant pussy :) |
| 01:14.32 | chouimat|bored | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr |
| 01:14.41 | AndyQ | common mistake |
| 01:14.54 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: the game needs speeding up |
| 01:14.55 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 01:15.02 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Yup - working on that one |
| 01:15.09 | ljp | hmm I would certainly hate to mistake cats and pussy |
| 01:15.28 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 01:15.39 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: also, the shading is wrong - the back wall should be darker ;) |
| 01:15.50 | Dessimat0r | looks like it is coming otu at you atm |
| 01:15.56 | Dessimat0r | otu = out |
| 01:15.58 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 01:16.02 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: thats the feedback I'm after |
| 01:16.07 | AndyQ | I'll sort that one |
| 01:16.51 | Dessimat0r | in fact.. |
| 01:16.55 | Dessimat0r | how about gradients for the walls? |
| 01:16.57 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Hope about I make the top and bottom walls the back wall color and the back wall the top wall color? |
| 01:17.41 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: every surface has a different shade of light ;) doing that would make it too confusing |
| 01:17.57 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: OK, what colours should i use> |
| 01:18.04 | chouimat|bored | ulyx lart development environmebt |
| 01:18.33 | Dessimat0r | hrm |
| 01:18.39 | Dessimat0r | darkest shade of grey for back wall |
| 01:18.47 | Dessimat0r | a bit lighter for the side walls |
| 01:18.52 | Dessimat0r | even lighter for the side walls |
| 01:19.15 | AndyQ | Top and Bottom lighter that the side or other way round>? |
| 01:19.47 | kergoth | <My`Albanian`Ass> dude, a fat chick from mcdonals brought me my food and she said 'sorry for the wait' and i said 'don't worry you'll lose it' and she gave me a smirk :/ |
| 01:19.49 | Dessimat0r | ah, top and bottom lighter |
| 01:19.52 | Dessimat0r | not by much tho |
| 01:20.04 | Dessimat0r | there is too much differentation atm |
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| 01:20.24 | Dessimat0r | in reality, there would not be that much difference to distinguish the two |
| 01:20.58 | phpCure | kergoth: you heard about the issues with hostap and wep? |
| 01:21.07 | Onyx4 | kergoth: so did you change the patch for opie/qterev to adapt to the new names? |
| 01:21.09 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ |
| 01:21.40 | Onyx4 | cause you managed to build it, so maybe you just didn't push the new patch? |
| 01:21.45 | kergoth | Onyx4: I changed the names after extracting. |
| 01:21.49 | kergoth | Onyx4: :) |
| 01:22.03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:27.18 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:27.20 | TheMasterMind1 | who would have imagined |
| 01:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | recursive grep through 55gb of home dirs would kill a machine |
| 01:27.56 | chouimat | ulyx: lart TheMasterMind1 |
| 01:27.58 | icefox | it shouldn't have... |
| 01:28.19 | TheMasterMind1 | well, our fileserver is now dead |
| 01:28.20 | TheMasterMind1 | so it obviously did |
| 01:28.21 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 01:41.13 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:41.39 | ljp | I guess chouimat isnt bored any more? |
| 01:42.11 | chouimat | ljp: I'm still bored |
| 01:42.38 | ljp | I'm not |
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| 01:43.32 | ljp | too much to do |
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| 01:47.42 | AndyQ | right - night all |
| 01:47.48 | ljp | bye |
| 01:52.41 | chouimat | ljp: I'm going to watch some tv |
| 01:53.40 | NarrowMind | how can I fource opera to download to a file.. and not display the data ? |
| 01:53.50 | NarrowMind | for some reason it wont download a IPK.. it wasnt to display it to me |
| 01:54.10 | james_lan-zaurus | what program |
| 01:54.17 | NarrowMind | opera |
| 01:55.14 | james_lan-zaurus | well, there is the old copy from location bar, open up a terminal type wget then pase the website. |
| 01:55.23 | james_lan-zaurus | works, but a pita |
| 01:55.25 | NarrowMind | ugh |
| 01:55.33 | NarrowMind | there isnt a location bar in opera on the z |
| 01:55.45 | james_lan-zaurus | yes there is |
| 01:56.01 | NarrowMind | I dont see one |
| 01:56.20 | james_lan-zaurus | hidden, the world menu/button |
| 01:56.34 | NarrowMind | ug |
| 01:56.42 | james_lan-zaurus | 3rd from the right |
| 01:56.53 | james_lan-zaurus | yep, ugly |
| 01:58.18 | kergoth | NarrowMind: email the webmaster, the mime types on the server dont have an ipk entry |
| 01:59.18 | james_lan-zaurus | doesn't everyone love when that happens? (I can't recall seeing a single website that worked for) |
| 01:59.33 | kergoth | i saw one |
| 01:59.37 | kergoth | on my server :) |
| 01:59.39 | NarrowMind | its a sourceforge mirror |
| 01:59.45 | kergoth | NarrowMind: then email them. |
| 01:59.48 | NarrowMind | :) |
| 02:00.30 | NarrowMind | kergoth: can I fource download... shift click or something ? |
| 02:00.43 | kergoth | no |
| 02:00.49 | kergoth | you can copy the url and use wget as james_lan-zaurus says |
| 02:00.52 | NarrowMind | ugh opera suxors |
| 02:01.00 | NarrowMind | thats uber gay |
| 02:01.03 | james_lan-zaurus | only way I found was the wget method |
| 02:01.44 | james_lan-zaurus | konq on z is worse, sadly |
| 02:01.54 | NarrowMind | really |
| 02:01.54 | NarrowMind | damn |
| 02:02.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | don't dis konq |
| 02:02.16 | NarrowMind | I was thinking of installing knoq |
| 02:02.20 | TheMasterMind1 | konq is nice |
| 02:02.27 | TheMasterMind1 | andyq is working on fixing it up some |
| 02:02.41 | TheMasterMind1 | and if we ever get khtml from kde3 on it, it should be very nice |
| 02:02.56 | TheMasterMind1 | tronical is working on thati think |
| 02:02.58 | NarrowMind | kergoth: I installed oz3.1rc2 ... updated the hosts_ap.conf to dectect my wcf11 (linksys card).. it loaded the driver.. but wep is still busted |
| 02:03.33 | kergoth | NarrowMind: 'busted' doesnt tell me a fucking thing. |
| 02:03.51 | james_lan-zaurus | I am in the process of hetting it, so I am not complaining much just that the version I have been using has been, well, bad |
| 02:04.03 | NarrowMind | i configured the wep key.. and set the mode to restricted.. but it never finds the AP |
| 02:04.15 | kergoth | well i dunno what to tell you |
| 02:04.18 | NarrowMind | the same settings/hw works with the sharp rom |
| 02:04.22 | kergoth | report it to the hostap mailing list. |
| 02:04.29 | kergoth | I just upgraded the driver. if its borked, report it to the maintainers |
| 02:04.37 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:04.49 | NarrowMind | what about the prism2 driver ? is that no longer maintained ? |
| 02:05.01 | kergoth | prism2 _is_ hostap |
| 02:05.07 | kergoth | prism2 is what it was called 6-8 months ago |
| 02:05.12 | kergoth | old driver |
| 02:05.14 | NarrowMind | huh |
| 02:07.08 | james_lan-zaurus | thought hostap was a seperate driver (that happened to work on the same cards) |
| 02:07.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:07.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:07.29 | kergoth | OZ has used hostap/prism2 since the 3.0 release |
| 02:07.38 | kergoth | or rather, since the 3.0 development started |
| 02:09.25 | kergoth | since it is, in my opinion, the best prism 2/2.5/3 driver that utilizes wireless extensions as its API |
| 02:09.29 | kergoth | wlan-ng is _not_ an option |
| 02:09.40 | kergoth | and the orinoco driver support for prism is rather lackign |
| 02:12.03 | ljp | holy crap! |
| 02:12.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:12.22 | james_lan-zaurus | ljp: ? |
| 02:12.33 | ljp | CHXAudioSession() has 70 variables in the constructor |
| 02:12.42 | kergoth | egad |
| 02:13.06 | james_lan-zaurus | dear goodness |
| 02:13.12 | ljp | ohoh no |
| 02:13.27 | kergoth | bleh, stupid windows box. reboot time |
| 02:13.28 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:13.54 | ljp | CHXAudioSession() : 70 vari here |
| 02:15.28 | ljp | still, thats crazy |
| 02:19.42 | kergoth | ibot: shoot ljp |
| 02:19.43 | | kergoth: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:19.51 | ljp | heheh |
| 02:19.52 | kergoth | ibot: shoot $nick is <action> shoots $nick in the head. |
| 02:19.57 | | kergoth: okay |
| 02:19.58 | kergoth | ibot: shoot ljp |
| 02:20.00 | | ACTION shoots ljp in the head. |
| 02:20.03 | kergoth | :D |
| 02:20.13 | ljp | ibot: shoot ibot |
| 02:20.15 | | ACTION shoots ibot in the head. |
| 02:20.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:24.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i wonder.. do you think the WE16 bits for hostap screwed with the support for the old WE versions? |
| 02:24.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: trying to investigate the WEP issues |
| 02:26.16 | chouimat|tv | ulyx: lart devel env |
| 02:26.38 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: no luck eh? |
| 02:27.03 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: nope, I will go back to tv and I will sort this later |
| 02:27.28 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: k |
| 02:27.55 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I'm trying to compile busibox for arm using uclibc |
| 02:28.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:28.18 | kergoth | I'm hacking on hostap.. and then I'll try running opie on my c700 |
| 02:30.37 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: that seems to work now |
| 02:30.45 | kergoth | what does? |
| 02:30.52 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: busybox |
| 02:30.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:31.57 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: uclibc busybox is 437K |
| 02:32.33 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: a uclibc rom will be nice for some _really_ contrained environments. like units with 8mb of flash |
| 02:33.23 | chouimat|tv | and libc one is 469K (arm) |
| 02:34.19 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: arm uClibc is 269K, so we save a lot |
| 02:34.35 | kergoth | who in here is seeing the difficulties with WEP on rc2? |
| 02:34.38 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: yup |
| 02:34.41 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: glibc itself is huge |
| 02:35.04 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I will attack qte and opie tomorrow or later tonight |
| 02:35.09 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:35.11 | james_lan-zaurus | kergoth: don't use wep, but if you need me to test I can |
| 02:35.25 | kergoth | james_lan-zaurus: if you could, thatd be appreciated. |
| 02:35.46 | kergoth | james_lan-zaurus: I'd like to make sure this isnt a user error issue, and if thats the case, contact the hostap folks regarding it |
| 02:36.05 | james_lan-zaurus | ok, switching irc to desktop |
| 02:36.19 | kergoth | k |
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| 02:44.53 | andersee | chouimat|tv: uclibc busybox is however large you configure it to be... |
| 02:52.33 | chouimat|tv | andersee: I just took the openzaurus config |
| 02:52.34 | james_lan-deskto | kergoth:64-bit web (netgear ap to dlink dcf-650w) appears to be working |
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| 02:52.59 | kergoth | great |
| 02:53.12 | kergoth | well then.. dcf-650w is confirmed to work with it anyway |
| 02:53.14 | kergoth | thanks for the test :) |
| 02:53.18 | james_lan-deskto | trying 128 |
| 02:57.18 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: any news about sd? |
| 02:57.58 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: no news |
| 02:58.08 | james_lan-deskto | chouimat|tv: bad unless stuff has changed today |
| 02:58.34 | james_lan-deskto | chouimat|tv: which it doesn't appear to have |
| 02:59.01 | chouimat|tv | ulyx: lart superbowl |
| 02:59.13 | james_lan-deskto | btw, opie-logon appears broken |
| 02:59.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:59.39 | kergoth | whatcha mean? |
| 02:59.49 | james_lan-deskto | root logs on fine, users can't (and as of yet i haven't traced this down that much) |
| 02:59.58 | kergoth | that has nothing to do with opie-login |
| 03:00.11 | kergoth | that has to do with device permissions being as such that a normal user cant write to them |
| 03:00.19 | kergoth | I'm fixing opie as nonroot for the rc3 release |
| 03:00.25 | james_lan-deskto | ok |
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| 03:00.59 | james_lan-deskto | what would I have to setup to have opie-logon work, as I would like to demo OZ at a local LUG, and not have my stuff messed up :) |
| 03:01.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:01.34 | kergoth | if i knew, itd be fixed already. |
| 03:01.43 | kergoth | either figure it out yourself and do it, or wait for me to do so. |
| 03:02.19 | james_lan-deskto | ok, I have tracked some down (not much) (/dev/fd0 being the most obvious |
| 03:02.29 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: read the opie-login session scripts |
| 03:02.41 | chouimat|tv | ulyx lart superbowl for the fucking reruns |
| 03:02.46 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: they adjust permissions of devices that for valid reasons we dont want to be group writable |
| 03:03.20 | phpCure | that's an awful lart |
| 03:03.41 | chouimat|tv | TheMasterMind1: why? |
| 03:04.03 | kergoth | james_lan-deskto: devices that it seems sane to make group writable, we can do so. but the rest shoudl be done in the script |
| 03:05.32 | chouimat|tv | ulyx lart superbowl for the fucking reruns |
| 03:05.58 | TheMasterMind1 | frowns really really hard? |
| 03:05.59 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 03:06.54 | chouimat|tv | TheMasterMind1: I watch 2 tv series on saturday night and I got reruns tonight .............. |
| 03:08.03 | chouimat|tv | ulyx lart superbowl |
| 03:08.43 | chouimat|tv | emo???? |
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| 03:17.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 03:20.03 | treke|home | grrr. I keep running out of room to build glic :0 |
| 03:20.17 | ljp | hmmm |
| 03:20.33 | ljp | I have a 20 mb drive I will _give_ you |
| 03:20.46 | ljp | :) |
| 03:20.55 | chouimat | ulyx: lart ljp |
| 03:20.58 | james_lan-deskto | for cost of shipping? |
| 03:21.10 | ljp | uhhh |
| 03:21.16 | ljp | no |
| 03:21.35 | james_lan-deskto | ow |
| 03:22.11 | james_lan-deskto | recording produced some really nice amplified static on z |
| 03:22.25 | ljp | vmemo? |
| 03:22.48 | james_lan-deskto | shine actually |
| 03:22.52 | ljp | oh |
| 03:23.05 | james_lan-deskto | (realtime mp3 recoder/encoder/whatever) |
| 03:23.57 | james_lan-deskto | ah ha! mic not in properly! |
| 03:24.04 | james_lan-deskto | shine is pretty good. |
| 03:24.21 | james_lan-deskto | (assuming the mic is in properly |
| 03:24.30 | james_lan-deskto | ljp: which model? |
| 03:24.35 | ljp | 5000d |
| 03:24.46 | ljp | hacked in |
| 03:24.53 | ljp | easy to do |
| 03:24.55 | james_lan-deskto | ljp: ah |
| 03:25.25 | james_lan-deskto | I just have a 3.5->2.5 adapter and a phone set |
| 03:27.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: ping |
| 03:27.48 | james_lan-deskto | thoough shine occassionally makes people's voices MUCH higher. quite amusing at times.' |
| 03:29.34 | chouimat | hmmmm kylie mynogue on tv ..... |
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| 03:40.10 | ljp | who? |
| 03:40.47 | kergoth | tronical: suggestion, create a opie-mediaplayercodecs virtual package for OZ's packaging.. that Depends on libxine1, and any other libs that would be appropriate.. |
| 03:43.43 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:43.52 | endr | kergoth: anything you specifically wanted tested in 3.1rc2? |
| 03:44.04 | ljp | everything |
| 03:44.12 | endr | heh |
| 03:44.18 | kergoth | ljp: you know, we could replace our libqpe with a wrapper lib whose functions simply call into a libopie that reproduces all of libqpe's functionality.. then BC wouldnt be a problem, we keep that wrapper in place |
| 03:44.37 | kergoth | ljp: then to run an opie app on the sharp rom, you install the new opie lib, and the libqpe wrapper, and everything works |
| 03:44.56 | ljp | hmmm |
| 03:44.59 | kergoth | ljp: just thought about this when muttering about the inability to use libopie odevice bits in libqpe :) |
| 03:45.20 | kergoth | ljp: I'll drop an email out to opie-devel |
| 03:45.27 | kergoth | for opinions |
| 03:45.53 | ljp | wouldnt that take more memory usage? |
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| 03:46.06 | noda | Moo! |
| 03:46.22 | kergoth | ljp: I wouldnt think itd take much.. and it'd gain us a great deal of flexibility |
| 03:46.55 | chouimat|shower | ulyx: lart noda |
| 03:46.59 | kergoth | ljp: for example, we could ditch the shitty ass original storage class, come up with a completely new one without regard to BC, and simply ensure the methods are accessible via the original name from the libqpe ver |
| 03:47.08 | kergoth | ljp: i dunno, just an idea. give it some thought |
| 03:47.28 | kergoth | ljp: it'd give us an opportunity to ditch the TT crap completely, only keeping their _interfaces_ around for compatibility |
| 03:47.40 | ljp | true |
| 03:47.48 | kergoth | opie apps wouldnt need to use this libqpe at all |
| 03:47.54 | kergoth | it'd only be a compatibility wrapper for original qtopia apps |
| 03:47.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:48.06 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like .19 |
| 03:48.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:48.15 | kergoth | well, we need to retain BC |
| 03:48.16 | TheMasterMind1 | get rid of sharp crap only keep compatibility interfaces around |
| 03:48.20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:48.23 | kergoth | same sort of thing |
| 03:48.39 | noda | kergoth: Have the DB password yet? :) |
| 03:48.53 | kergoth | noda: bleh, no, .. let me go request sf support before i forget about it |
| 03:49.04 | noda | kergoth: You sure you can't just set a new password? |
| 03:49.06 | kergoth | endr: test wireless specifically.. WEP, fi you can |
| 03:49.08 | kergoth | noda: ill check |
| 03:49.22 | kergoth | im on there doing bug tracker cleanup anyway |
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| 03:49.41 | kergoth | k changed |
| 03:49.42 | endr | kergoth: using it now (wireless plus WEP). Works for me...don't have a benchmark suite/script or anything, but... |
| 03:49.49 | noda | kergoth: To what? :P |
| 03:49.56 | kergoth | noda: /query |
| 03:50.11 | TheMasterMind1 | endr: what card |
| 03:50.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: james tested it too, worked just fine for him |
| 03:50.36 | endr | TheMasterMind1: SMC...let me get the info |
| 03:50.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dlink, 64bit |
| 03:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 03:51.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wanna bet the problems people are seeing are 1) user error, or 2) card model specific |
| 03:51.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 03:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 03:51.09 | endr | TheMasterMind1: SMC2642W 11Mbps Wireless CF Card |
| 03:51.18 | noda | endr: I've got one of those |
| 03:51.24 | endr | noda: cool |
| 03:51.45 | endr | noda: happy with it so far...though drains battery a bit |
| 03:52.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I'm removing most of our opie patches |
| 03:52.04 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 03:52.04 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 03:52.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and pushing necessary bits into opie cvs where they shoudl be |
| 03:52.15 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 03:52.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 03:52.17 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 03:52.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: only the truly oz specific things that are gross hacks will reside in our local patches |
| 03:52.22 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:52.32 | kergoth | alot of our builds have patches that should be pushed upstream |
| 03:52.35 | kergoth | i.e. crosscompilation build issues |
| 03:52.53 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 03:53.17 | endr | ljp: for the Zaurus, is there a good voice memo record app? |
| 03:53.18 | kergoth | bleh, i'm going to remove that system settings opie-backup crap from opie cvs. its useless |
| 03:53.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: :) |
| 03:53.56 | TheMasterMind1 | endr: opie has one no? |
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| 03:54.29 | endr | TheMasterMind1: yes but thought I heard it was only for ipaqs... |
| 03:54.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 03:54.40 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe |
| 03:55.05 | ljp | endr: yes and no |
| 03:55.15 | noda | It works on the Z... |
| 03:55.16 | ljp | there's one on the sharp rom |
| 03:55.25 | ljp | endr: and vmemo |
| 03:55.37 | endr | aha |
| 03:55.40 | ljp | endr: and another one I have yet to release |
| 03:55.40 | kergoth | ljp: denes new sound drivers are in 2.4.6 now as well, for the 3.1 release |
| 03:55.42 | kergoth | ljp: fyi |
| 03:55.47 | endr | ...sorta |
| 03:55.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sweet |
| 03:55.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he pushed it into bk last night |
| 03:55.58 | TheMasterMind1 | that's awesome |
| 03:56.02 | ljp | ahhh coolio, mon |
| 03:56.09 | endr | ljp: ok, so I can try vmemo with OZ & the Z... |
| 03:56.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: you can use helix now :) |
| 03:56.16 | kergoth | wheee |
| 03:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 03:56.34 | kergoth | next! |
| 03:56.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:56.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yes! |
| 03:56.38 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:56.44 | ljp | ehh helix is far from working good |
| 03:56.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: heh |
| 03:56.54 | noda | What's helix? |
| 03:56.56 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: atleast no more ioctl issues though |
| 03:57.12 | ljp | but hey! I can hear at least a few seconds of a song! |
| 03:57.14 | kergoth | bleh, handhelds cvs is slow tonight |
| 03:57.48 | ljp | ya, I have a hunch helix buffers the bajeebas out of the ram |
| 03:58.04 | kergoth | ah, need to make changes for use on embedded systems eh |
| 03:58.15 | ljp | seeing as the buffer size it uses is 8192 * 4 |
| 03:58.46 | ljp | yep. but thankfully there's also a symbian port going on |
| 04:02.16 | endr | any simple command-line / config-file way to get the irda interface (and discovery & receive) on? irda.cpp is messing with ioctls to get the interface set up... |
| 04:03.04 | kergoth | endr: ipkg files irda-common |
| 04:04.06 | endr | irattach /dev/ircomm ... thx |
| 04:04.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:04.55 | ljp | noda: http://www.helixcommunity.org |
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| 04:06.36 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: when will the feed be fully updated ;) |
| 04:06.48 | kergoth | oh hey, good point |
| 04:06.50 | noda | Oh, helix is that thing from Real? |
| 04:06.54 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 04:06.54 | kergoth | in about 20 minutes? |
| 04:07.01 | kergoth | its been built for quite some time |
| 04:07.07 | kergoth | eheh |
| 04:07.41 | Dessimat0r | alright ;) I'm just going to bed, just thought I'm make a reminder in case you forgot ;) |
| 04:07.49 | kergoth | thanks |
| 04:07.51 | Dessimat0r | something to play with tomorrow, hehe ;) |
| 04:08.12 | chouimat|zzzz | night |
| 04:08.18 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 04:08.23 | ljp | bye |
| 04:08.52 | kergoth | ljp: any idea how to handle this qt/e versioning thing? if a part of opie depends on qt/e 2.3.4-beta4.. but theres no way in opie's cvs's qt control file to know the _exact_ ver they're building against |
| 04:09.38 | ljp | fix ipkg :) |
| 04:10.06 | kergoth | prob isnt ipkg, prob is the fact that we include qt/e control files in opie, they arent distributed with qt itself, as they should be |
| 04:10.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10.36 | ljp | get TT to add control files :) |
| 04:10.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:10.56 | kergoth | thatll happen |
| 04:10.57 | kergoth | suree |
| 04:11.02 | ljp | :) |
| 04:11.02 | kergoth | like getting them to fix bugs? |
| 04:11.19 | ljp | well, I _do_ know Aron the marketting guy |
| 04:11.26 | ljp | :D |
| 04:11.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:11.47 | kergoth | marketing |
| 04:11.50 | kergoth | you and your brochure |
| 04:11.53 | kergoth | :P |
| 04:11.55 | ljp | heheh yep |
| 04:12.33 | endr | ljp: what's your current favorite program for listening (on OZ) to the vmemo files created by opie-vmemo. |
| 04:12.40 | ljp | up there with quotes from hewlett packard and mcdonald douglas or someone |
| 04:13.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:13.08 | ljp | endr: probably opieplayer |
| 04:13.28 | kergoth | hm, i'm in a bugfixing mood |
| 04:13.34 | endr | ljp: op2? |
| 04:13.35 | ljp | the voice rec I have here plays and records in a compressed format |
| 04:13.40 | ljp | op1 |
| 04:13.44 | kergoth | shit, wanna bet i forgot my mantis password again? |
| 04:13.46 | endr | ljp: k |
| 04:13.47 | kergoth | for the 5th time? |
| 04:13.55 | noda | kergoth: Use keyring :) |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth | noda: on a Z I flash twice a day? |
| 04:14.06 | ljp | want me to reset it? |
| 04:14.07 | kergoth | noda: ;) |
| 04:14.13 | noda | kergoth: Um... damn :P |
| 04:14.26 | kergoth | ljp: nah, i remembered it this time |
| 04:14.35 | ljp | zsafe runs on desktop and z |
| 04:14.37 | kergoth | wonder how many OZ issues are in mantis that should be on sf |
| 04:16.15 | kergoth | god mantis sucks |
| 04:16.25 | kergoth | i have yet to see a BTS that doesnt though |
| 04:19.43 | kergoth | god there are a lot of bugs in mantis |
| 04:20.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 04:20.53 | kergoth | ljp: me too.. a lot of this stuff probably just needs to be followed up on.. either fixed already, or user error, or what have you |
| 04:21.51 | ljp | yep |
| 04:22.25 | ljp | helix build is cool, it generates MD5's every make |
| 04:22.32 | treke|home | kergoth: could be worse |
| 04:22.37 | treke|home | kergoth: it could be bugzilla |
| 04:22.42 | kergoth | treke|home: true that |
| 04:22.52 | kergoth | bugzilla sucks, mantis sucks, SF bts sucks |
| 04:22.58 | kergoth | there must be a decent one somewhere |
| 04:23.07 | ljp | wiki |
| 04:23.23 | ljp | not much for tracking though |
| 04:23.31 | treke|home | wiki sucks balls |
| 04:23.34 | treke|home | big balls |
| 04:23.47 | kergoth | yeh, wiki is only good for a certain few thigns |
| 04:23.48 | kergoth | things |
| 04:23.58 | kergoth | and its almost never limited to those things. people use it for shit it was _not_ designed for |
| 04:24.16 | noda | Wiki is GREAT. But for specific purposes. |
| 04:24.44 | kergoth | thats what i just said |
| 04:24.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:25.08 | noda | I know, but I felt like saying it too, because it's something I've spent a couple of hours researching so I feel like I know everything there is to know about it :) |
| 04:25.25 | treke|home | kergoth: I'm not convinced that there is anything wiki is good for |
| 04:25.46 | ljp | endr: you xcompile? |
| 04:25.47 | nikki | is there a way to provide my own subnet in the security settings in oz3.1rc2? |
| 04:25.48 | kergoth | treke|home: hashing out ideas amongst a group of people.. basically a web based whiteboard |
| 04:25.54 | kergoth | nikki: ? |
| 04:26.06 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:26.09 | treke|home | maybe |
| 04:26.22 | noda | An easy documentatio system with revision control, isn't that nice enough? |
| 04:26.26 | nikki | like accept sync from 192.168.0.0/16 to 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 04:26.45 | noda | nikki: 192.168.0.0/24 is included in 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 04:27.23 | billytwowilly | <calin> we had a guy at school that wore black lipstick.. and was all gothy.. and then one day we caught him buying an assvibrator |
| 04:27.23 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.23 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.23 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.23 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.27 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.33 | noda | 192.168.0.0/16 is "all addresses from 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255" |
| 04:28.20 | treke|home | its a 1.1 meg file :) |
| 04:28.22 | noda | kergoth: FINALLY I'm in a position to work on my hostap error :) |
| 04:28.39 | noda | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package hostap-modules-2.4.20 not in control info |
| 04:28.46 | noda | What's wrong with it? :) |
| 04:29.21 | nikki | noda: yeah, but i was thinking if there is an option for the user to specify *if* he/she likes. just a thought though... |
| 04:29.41 | noda | Bah, I just did a 'make install_plx' in the hostap directory, screw make-kpkg :) |
| 04:30.01 | noda | nikki: You can specify any one subnet. |
| 04:30.08 | chouimat|zzzz | <Neon[UK]>im considering using redhat as my desktop pc |
| 04:30.08 | chouimat|zzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.08 | chouimat|zzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.08 | chouimat|zzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.36 | kergoth | chouimat|zzzz: hehe, i saw that one |
| 04:30.39 | noda | nikki: Though I see how 2 subnets would come in handy :) |
| 04:31.05 | kergoth | noda, nikki: wonder if itd be possible to get opie to use TCP wrappers, and then create a qt frontend to the hosts.allow/deny configuration.. |
| 04:31.08 | nikki | noda: yeah, finer control on which would sync to which... :) |
| 04:31.21 | ljp | you could write the ip range hex number to the config file for the subnet you want |
| 04:31.25 | chouimat|zzzz | kergoth: saw the bananas one? |
| 04:31.36 | billytwowilly | <mage> what should I give sister for unzipping? |
| 04:31.37 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.37 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.40 | noda | kergoth: Oooooh, that's a cool idea :) |
| 04:31.45 | chouimat|zzzz | <an_ass733> How do you tell if your roommate is gay? When his dick tastes like shit. |
| 04:31.57 | billytwowilly | hehehehe |
| 04:32.02 | noda | ljp: Well, having 2 IP's in there is what I'd want if I had home/work computers. |
| 04:32.07 | nikki | lol @ chouimat|zzzz |
| 04:32.17 | billytwowilly | damn. bash.org has me giggling like a little school girl;) |
| 04:32.34 | nikki | hmmm, subnets, hmmm... |
| 04:33.06 | chouimat|zzzz | billytwowilly: I must stop |
| 04:33.17 | kergoth | chouimat|zzzz: go to bed |
| 04:33.18 | kergoth | chouimat|zzzz: :) |
| 04:33.27 | billytwowilly | I'm gonna keep reading, but I'll only post the stuff that is short and makes me fall out of my chair;) |
| 04:33.52 | chouimat|zzzz | billytwowilly: like that one? |
| 04:33.54 | chouimat|zzzz | <Clutch-Dialup> You're like a guy who says to his beautiful girlfriend, "I think we should see other people." And is surprised when she says "Great!!" Then you have to watch her enjoying herself with a multitude of studs, while you play D&D with your geeky friends. |
| 04:34.37 | billytwowilly | heh, yah, the ten bucks one almost made me fal out of my chair;) |
| 04:35.22 | billytwowilly | <DaZE> at my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4 |
| 04:35.52 | chouimat|zzzz | billytwowilly: which number? |
| 04:36.02 | billytwowilly | 991 |
| 04:36.18 | kergoth | ljp: how the hell do i reassign a bug to someone else? do i have sufficient rights to do so? |
| 04:36.23 | billytwowilly | #409 |
| 04:36.26 | billytwowilly | sorry. |
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| 04:38.05 | billytwowilly | <Opcode> i was gonna call 911...but i was downloading a file |
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| 04:39.22 | ljp | you should |
| 04:39.30 | chouimat|zzzz | <ACDCC> Hey, does anyone know when Dance Dance Revolution comes out on GBC? |
| 04:41.45 | billytwowilly | [01:33] (hilo21) ima looking for a site that seels amp |
| 04:41.46 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.46 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.46 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.46 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.46 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.48 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.25 | chouimat|zzzz | lol |
| 04:42.45 | billytwowilly | *** Quits: TITANIC (Excess Flood) |
| 04:43.32 | ljp | kergoth: you just got promoted to manager, congrats! |
| 04:44.03 | kergoth | ljp: I feel so proud |
| 04:44.28 | ljp | have a drink, on me |
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| 04:44.52 | kergoth | oh I will, rest assured |
| 04:45.02 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:45.08 | noda | FINALLY. My wireless card needs its own IRQ. How pathetic :( |
| 04:45.19 | kergoth | oh |
| 04:45.28 | kergoth | i looked into backing up our kenrel to prior to the block device changes |
| 04:45.31 | kergoth | that broke our binary sdm odule |
| 04:45.40 | kergoth | we'd have to back all the way up to 2.4.9 |
| 04:45.40 | effy | wtf would global.moc have to do with moc_passwordbase_p.o? |
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| 04:48.53 | kenb | kergoth: hm... |
| 04:49.13 | kenb | kergoth: I bought an SD card today. Getting MMC cards in Canada is nearly impossible :( |
| 04:49.18 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 04:49.20 | kenb | kergoth: unless you want 16mb |
| 04:49.20 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 04:49.24 | kergoth | i should push your gawk patch |
| 04:49.27 | kenb | which is *useless* |
| 04:49.30 | kenb | heh |
| 04:49.41 | kergoth | I'm in one of those hyperproductive moods tonight |
| 04:49.48 | kergoth | better get shit done while it lasts |
| 04:49.49 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:49.54 | ljp | yup |
| 04:50.00 | kenb | k |
| 04:50.12 | kenb | I spent the entire day offline |
| 04:50.19 | ljp | I have been getting aquainted with the helix stuff today |
| 04:50.44 | ljp | besides trying to get their build system cross compiling |
| 04:50.48 | kenb | heh |
| 04:50.56 | kenb | I'm going to hack libosip next |
| 04:51.10 | kenb | I was nearly done it last night, but needed to sleep |
| 04:51.38 | billytwowilly | <iMike> i was just thinking of hiring a man to service my septic system |
| 04:51.38 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.09 | kenb | hahah |
| 04:52.52 | billytwowilly | <M3rlin-> what is the legal age to buy alcoholics in england ? |
| 04:52.52 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.52 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.36 | kenb | kergoth: having an SD card nows means I have serious vested interest in SD for OZ |
| 05:01.14 | bipolar | kergoth: Still no joy with the SD driver? |
| 05:01.32 | kenb | hm. |
| 05:01.37 | kergoth | bipolar: its on hold. |
| 05:01.42 | kenb | make menuconfig now broken for me ... wtf. |
| 05:01.53 | kergoth | kenb: whats it doin? |
| 05:02.01 | kergoth | forget a bk -r co -q or somethin? |
| 05:02.02 | kenb | nothing... it never appears |
| 05:02.20 | bipolar | kergoth: Something more important come up? |
| 05:02.24 | kergoth | does scripts/lxdialog/lxdialog exist? |
| 05:02.31 | kergoth | bipolar: no, its on hold because we're waiting. |
| 05:02.34 | kenb | yes |
| 05:02.35 | kenb | gcc mconf.o zconf.tab.o -o mconf |
| 05:02.35 | kenb | make[1]: Leaving directory `/z/bk/buildroot-oz/scripts/kconfig' |
| 05:02.35 | kenb | ./scripts/kconfig/mconf ./config.in |
| 05:02.37 | kergoth | bipolar: and there are very very very few options open to us |
| 05:02.40 | kenb | and that's it. |
| 05:02.47 | bipolar | kergoth: that sucks so much |
| 05:02.59 | kergoth | kenb: weird. generally it only does that if scripts/lxdialog/lxdialog binary doesnt exist. |
| 05:03.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:03.10 | kergoth | bipolar: yep. I cant fix the SD driver without disassembling it. |
| 05:03.36 | bipolar | kergoth: hmmm.... sounds like a job for someone far away from the DMCA |
| 05:03.36 | kergoth | bipolar: and though doing so is technically OK under the DMCA due to the copyright clause, i cant risk or afford court time, even if i'd win. so its on hold. |
| 05:03.57 | kenb | kergoth: Odd.. it worked fine last night. I suspended, resumed, and it not happy now :( |
| 05:04.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:04.27 | bipolar | kergoth: I guess if you don't touch any encryption code, the dmca does not apply, right? |
| 05:04.30 | kenb | I killed lxdialog, it rebuild it |
| 05:04.32 | kergoth | bipolar: wrong |
| 05:04.43 | kergoth | bipolar: their not releasing card init information is technically an access control |
| 05:05.04 | kergoth | bipolar: by disassembling the driver, i'd be circumventing that access control, because I cant 'only see' part of the code |
| 05:05.19 | kergoth | what am i going to say yes i disassembled the driver.. but i only read part ofi t? |
| 05:05.22 | kergoth | no one would believe me :) |
| 05:05.42 | bipolar | kergoth: darn. |
| 05:06.11 | kenb | Hm. I think I'm fscked here with bk-buildroot :( |
| 05:06.16 | bipolar | kergoth: it would be nice if some anon hacker made a binary module that anyone could write a wrapper arround. |
| 05:06.29 | kergoth | bipolar: yes it would |
| 05:06.45 | kergoth | bipolar: worst case I'll be starting a company for the OE project, and soliciting donations from our users to purchase the license and do so. |
| 05:06.57 | kergoth | bipolar: right now we're waiting on a few possibilities. |
| 05:07.17 | kenb | I musta botched the config |
| 05:07.35 | kergoth | treke|home: send me a patch against the buildroot to add the ipaq kernel. regardless of its state i'd like to see it upstream |
| 05:07.47 | kergoth | kenb: a circular dependency or a circular include could do that |
| 05:07.49 | bipolar | kergoth: what are the other possibilities? |
| 05:07.59 | kenb | ah hah! |
| 05:08.10 | kenb | I forgot a " in the config.in for my new package |
| 05:08.24 | kenb | (had to strace the run to see this) |
| 05:08.32 | kergoth | bipolar: I've been asked not to speak of at least one of them. just rest assured we may have a driver built against 2.4.19 sources. if not, we'll pursue a company or having someone outside the US make the necessary alterations |
| 05:08.36 | kergoth | kenb: lol |
| 05:08.55 | bipolar | kergoth: 'nuff said :) |
| 05:09.45 | kergoth | doing business as a company may be good long term, as it'd lend some legitimacy for us with companies.. who knows |
| 05:10.10 | kenb | There's always benefits to having a company behind it |
| 05:10.21 | kenb | as long as running that company doesn't each into too much time |
| 05:10.50 | chouimat|Zzzz | even when I try to sleep I'm bored ..... my bed is so empty ... |
| 05:10.51 | kergoth | indeed |
| 05:11.09 | kergoth | yeah i know how that is chouimat|Zzzz |
| 05:11.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: she's away for the week :( |
| 05:12.22 | ljp | there's your cat |
| 05:12.40 | kenb | heh |
| 05:12.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: wrong type of pussy |
| 05:12.57 | ljp | oh |
| 05:13.36 | ljp | bed for me |
| 05:13.55 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: enjoy your cat :) |
| 05:14.17 | kenb | woohoo. libosip patch emailed off |
| 05:14.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | libosip???? |
| 05:14.42 | kergoth | god the 2.4.6 kenrel makefile in buildroot is ugly |
| 05:14.43 | kergoth | i mean |
| 05:14.48 | kergoth | how the hell did i come up with that crap |
| 05:14.51 | kenb | Yea. VoIP/Internet Telephony support lib |
| 05:14.58 | kergoth | though |
| 05:15.03 | kergoth | you shouldve seen the version that was recursive |
| 05:15.11 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: too much long island? |
| 05:15.12 | kenb | chouimat|Zzzz: Just think... VoIP off your Z :) |
| 05:15.50 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: hehe |
| 05:16.12 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: I would prefer to a new girlfriend and maybe some children later if the relation worth it |
| 05:16.19 | kergoth | $(stamp-binary): $(foreach debug,$(debug),$(foreach model,$(models),$(foreach rd,$(ramdisks),$(shell if ! [ $(rd) -gt $$(($(model) / 2)) ]\; then echo $(STAMPS_DIR)/.$(Name).$(if $(shell [ "$(model)" -eq "64" ] && echo yes),5500-,$(if $(shell [ "$(model)" -eq "32" ] && echo yes),5000d-))$$(($(model) - $(rd)))memory-$(rd)storage$(shell if [ "$(debug)" == "disable" ]\; then :\; else echo -debug\; fi).binary\; fi)))) |
| 05:16.25 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.27 | kergoth | ^^-dear god man |
| 05:16.53 | kergoth | kenb: you forgot the attachment :) |
| 05:17.26 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: sharp put up a more recent embedix patch a long time ago |
| 05:17.34 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: we never grabbed it |
| 05:17.38 | kenb | kergoth: dammit. |
| 05:17.43 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: but it adds the german kernel keymap |
| 05:17.48 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: huh? |
| 05:18.04 | kergoth | http://files.zaurus.com/zaurus-kernel/linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-sl5500-20020910.gz |
| 05:18.10 | kergoth | we were on the version from 200203 |
| 05:18.31 | kergoth | i hate wasting time on 2.4.6, but figured i may as well pull it in for the 3.1 release |
| 05:19.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | i'm off |
| 05:19.42 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 05:20.10 | bipolar | g'night all! |
| 05:20.53 | kenb | fixed. |
| 05:21.30 | kenb | kergoth: so the issue with the block drivers backport means we'd have to go back to 2.4.9 ? |
| 05:21.56 | kergoth | nono |
| 05:22.10 | kergoth | if we wanted to revert to before the block device changes completely, we'd do that' |
| 05:22.11 | kenb | or was that when the block layer changed? |
| 05:22.14 | kergoth | right |
| 05:22.15 | kergoth | exactly |
| 05:22.17 | kenb | k |
| 05:22.22 | kergoth | we could revert the block layer to its state at that point |
| 05:22.30 | kenb | yea... |
| 05:22.30 | kergoth | but who knows how many consequences thatd have elsewhere in teh tree |
| 05:22.35 | kenb | unless.. |
| 05:22.38 | kergoth | i mean, 2.4.9 -> 2.4.19 had a _lot_ of chagnes |
| 05:22.39 | kergoth | changes |
| 05:22.44 | kenb | we start with 2.4.9 |
| 05:22.51 | kenb | and patch in the bits we know we need |
| 05:23.06 | kergoth | bleh, that'll be worse |
| 05:23.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:23.13 | kergoth | I dont want 2.4.9 on my Z |
| 05:23.17 | kergoth | its a waste of time on our part |
| 05:23.18 | kenb | me either |
| 05:24.30 | Bala | i say screw it.. just slap something from the 2.0 branch on it.. :) |
| 05:25.01 | kenb | hm. |
| 05:25.06 | kergoth | ~lart Bala |
| 05:25.07 | kenb | who maintains backup/restore app? |
| 05:25.11 | kergoth | kenb: no one really |
| 05:25.14 | kenb | k |
| 05:25.22 | noda | Woo! My three computers and my Z can talk to each other perfectly :) |
| 05:25.23 | kergoth | kenb: I pushed a 2 line thing to add application data.. |
| 05:25.25 | kenb | the popup when a backup is sucessful is scary. |
| 05:25.26 | kergoth | but its basically run by everybody |
| 05:25.37 | kergoth | kenb: patches welcome ;) |
| 05:25.38 | kenb | big red X |
| 05:25.43 | kergoth | or open a feature request in the opie BTS |
| 05:25.44 | kenb | is it in buildroot? |
| 05:25.48 | kergoth | naw, its in opie cvs |
| 05:25.52 | kenb | damn. |
| 05:25.53 | kergoth | which your buildroot probably obtained of course |
| 05:25.55 | kergoth | build/opie |
| 05:26.00 | Bala | big red x = good ? |
| 05:26.04 | kergoth | build/opie/noncore/settings/backup/ specifically |
| 05:26.15 | kenb | I have no opie |
| 05:26.26 | kergoth | then you didnt compile opie yet :) it of course only obtains it when it needs it |
| 05:26.28 | kenb | Bala: Yea, Big Red X and says "Backup Successful" |
| 05:26.38 | kenb | yea. will ad to menuconfig now |
| 05:26.38 | Bala | thats f'd :) |
| 05:26.47 | kenb | Bala: exactly my point. |
| 05:26.59 | kergoth | QMessageBox::critical(this, "Message", "Backup Successfull.",QString("Ok") ); |
| 05:27.02 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:27.02 | kergoth | critical |
| 05:27.04 | kergoth | that explains it alright |
| 05:27.07 | kenb | yea. |
| 05:27.21 | kenb | shouldn't be critical |
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| 05:28.41 | kergoth | kenb: k its fixed in cvs |
| 05:29.22 | kenb | in cvs or in bk ? |
| 05:29.53 | kergoth | opie resides in its own cvs repos |
| 05:29.56 | kergoth | whichi s where it is now fixed |
| 05:30.00 | kenb | ah |
| 05:30.01 | kenb | k |
| 05:30.18 | kenb | so doing a bk changeset for it wouldn't have help then ? |
| 05:30.36 | kergoth | well, you could add a patch in packages/opie which would be applied on checkout |
| 05:30.45 | kenb | heh.. pointless :) |
| 05:30.45 | kergoth | but we want these fixes to be seen by the ipaq folks as well |
| 05:30.49 | kergoth | hence it goes upstream |
| 05:30.55 | kenb | yup |
| 05:31.04 | kenb | so to do opie development... |
| 05:31.14 | kenb | I should checkout the opie cvs tree, correct? |
| 05:31.24 | kergoth | either use the buildroot to obtain qt/e and opie.. or obtain them both yourself |
| 05:31.30 | kergoth | you'll need to build qt and then opie |
| 05:31.44 | kenb | got qt |
| 05:31.46 | kergoth | people generally keep a x86 qt/e, x86 opie, arm qt/e, arm opie |
| 05:31.54 | kergoth | for both qvfb local dev, and Z/ipaq |
| 05:31.58 | kergoth | qt/e, not qt |
| 05:32.31 | kenb | Hm. Too bad you can't just make that whole suite a single pacakge :( |
| 05:32.56 | kergoth | well, not really possible |
| 05:33.03 | kergoth | qt/e is from TT |
| 05:33.52 | kenb | Yea. |
| 05:34.04 | kenb | q: Where is opie in menuconfig? I seem to be unable to find it |
| 05:34.05 | kergoth | kenb: pushed gawk, libosip |
| 05:34.13 | kergoth | kenb: adding your ssh key now |
| 05:34.19 | kergoth | kenb: its under packages->gui->utilities |
| 05:34.28 | kergoth | kenb: and you have to enable an assload of other stuff that it depends on |
| 05:34.36 | kenb | yea.. |
| 05:34.37 | kergoth | kenb: be glad you dont have to build those things manually for an arm build |
| 05:34.49 | kergoth | i use buildroot to do opie dev for arm |
| 05:34.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:34.54 | kenb | yea. |
| 05:35.01 | kenb | opie need libpcap? odd. |
| 05:35.07 | kergoth | kenb: wellenreiter |
| 05:35.09 | kergoth | kenb: for opie |
| 05:35.19 | kergoth | network sniff tool |
| 05:35.48 | kenb | ah yes |
| 05:37.04 | billytwowilly | <`rip> when you go into a job interview |
| 05:37.05 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.05 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.05 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.05 | billytwowilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:38.18 | kergoth | kenb: done. you can now use 'bk push' to send ChangeSets into the repository |
| 05:38.42 | kergoth | kenb: remember that when making alterations to makefiles you want the user to get.. be sure to increment Revision, so that theres a new package and ipkg upgrade gives them the new version |
| 05:38.54 | kergoth | its a common mistake when starting out to forget to do that on every change |
| 05:39.03 | kergoth | er on every change you want them to see, i mean |
| 05:39.37 | kenb | how do I increment the revisions ? |
| 05:39.41 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:39.44 | kergoth | Version = blah |
| 05:39.47 | kergoth | Revision = 1 |
| 05:39.53 | kergoth | (change patches and stuff) |
| 05:39.54 | kergoth | Version = blah |
| 05:39.56 | kergoth | Revision = 2 |
| 05:39.57 | kergoth | :P |
| 05:40.00 | kenb | Ah yes |
| 05:40.04 | kenb | in config.in for the application |
| 05:40.08 | kergoth | no |
| 05:40.11 | kergoth | packages/blah/Makefile |
| 05:40.21 | kergoth | Version and Revision determine the ipk Version field |
| 05:40.35 | kergoth | which will determine whether the user's ipkg knows its newer and upgrades |
| 05:40.51 | kenb | k |
| 05:42.04 | kenb | this gonna suck ! |
| 05:43.02 | treke|laptop | opie dependiences? |
| 05:43.14 | treke|laptop | libjpeg, libpng3, and qt/e |
| 05:43.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:43.20 | kenb | yea, what I need the buildroot to compile opie |
| 05:43.32 | kergoth | libpcap, libjpeg, libpng3, qt/e, tslib, e2fsprogs |
| 05:43.34 | kergoth | lets see |
| 05:43.35 | kergoth | what else |
| 05:43.36 | kenb | yea.. need to find those in the menu system |
| 05:43.56 | kergoth | kenb: i wish the config system had a way to _define_ a value when you select something |
| 05:44.06 | kergoth | kenb: in other words, if i enable this, cause those 12 other things to be enabled |
| 05:44.11 | kergoth | kenb: which is the reverse of how it happens now |
| 05:44.13 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 05:44.15 | kenb | I thought it did... |
| 05:44.19 | kergoth | it doesnt |
| 05:44.22 | kergoth | you can define 'depends' |
| 05:44.27 | kergoth | which are things that have to be enabled to enable this |
| 05:44.29 | treke|laptop | it would also be really nice if you could selctivly patch thinks |
| 05:44.49 | kergoth | you can change another config item's defaults based on this one |
| 05:44.53 | kergoth | so you could have an opie config item |
| 05:45.04 | kergoth | that when selected causes the default to be 'y' for the other items |
| 05:45.11 | kenb | ah, that's what I was thinking of |
| 05:45.23 | kergoth | but thats not a real dependency, and now the depends dont reflect actual dependencies |
| 05:45.34 | kenb | yea.. the depends work backwards |
| 05:45.45 | kergoth | and given in opie, and soon to be OZ, the maekfile prerequisites are generated based upon the config system.. |
| 05:45.48 | kergoth | b00m |
| 05:45.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:47.02 | treke|laptop | sweeet. my kernel ipks go into $IPK_DIR now :) |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | treke|laptop: nice :) |
| 05:47.38 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i'll need to use your work on that to split our module ipks in the other kernel builds :) |
| 05:47.58 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Hopefully you'll be able to clean it up a bit :) |
| 05:48.47 | kenb | kergoth: "bk push" to push changes into the tree? |
| 05:49.10 | kergoth | kenb: yep. ci then commit then push |
| 05:49.17 | kenb | k |
| 05:49.54 | treke|laptop | kergoth: does OZ default to having any form of console on the serial port? |
| 05:50.06 | kenb | kergoth: did the ESPinUDP patch go into the kernel ? |
| 05:50.12 | kergoth | treke|laptop: nope. 95% of hte users, if not more, dont even have serial cables |
| 05:50.19 | treke|laptop | kergoth: darn :) |
| 05:50.20 | kergoth | kenb: nah havent pulled that into the linux-arm-2.4-collie tree yet |
| 05:50.26 | kenb | k |
| 05:56.05 | billytwowilly | [guest27125] hi i am very good at irc, i can script and even hack people on irc,but this real good hacker keeps hacking into me and changing my nick, his name is NickServ |
| 05:58.30 | kenb | billytwowilly: reading a bit too much bash.org, I see |
| 06:00.22 | billytwowilly | kenb: I found out about it tonight, and I've been killing myself laughing ever since;) |
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| 06:01.52 | treke|laptop | alright. first attempt to build a jffs2 compiling away |
| 06:02.06 | kergoth | nice |
| 06:02.24 | kergoth | did you alter the oz-base makefile or what have you to ensure it uses the devfs fstab and the like? |
| 06:02.40 | treke|laptop | not yet. I'm off to go read the devfs manual :) |
| 06:02.43 | treke|laptop | never used it before |
| 06:02.57 | kenb | billytwowilly: you can lose a few days there ;) |
| 06:03.06 | treke|laptop | I'm not planning on this image actually working :) |
| 06:03.38 | kenb | sleep time, methinks. bbl |
| 06:06.14 | kergoth | treke|laptop: so does that kernel you built work? |
| 06:06.42 | treke|home | kergoth: Unknown. were gonna find out |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth | cool |
| 06:06.58 | treke|home | should work fine though |
| 06:07.45 | treke|home | oz-base is where all the work will be I think |
| 06:07.52 | kergoth | yup |
| 06:07.57 | kergoth | but most of it is done for you |
| 06:08.04 | kergoth | schurig adapted it to devfs already for his device |
| 06:08.09 | kergoth | just a matter of tweaking some if's |
| 06:08.09 | treke|home | only reason the kernel took so long is because I'm a gimp with makefiles :) |
| 06:08.13 | treke|home | yup |
| 06:08.34 | kergoth | it'd be nice if we didnt have to have an oz-base for devfs, and one for without |
| 06:08.39 | treke|home | whenever I've used them in the past, its been with tols to generate them for me |
| 06:08.40 | kergoth | but fstab cant really be adapted on the fly easily |
| 06:09.06 | kergoth | unless i have my devfs script on bootup grep and echo shit around with the fstab.. evil ;) |
| 06:10.38 | treke|home | kergoth: put the platform specific stuff in oz-base/platform/foo and copy that into the package before building? |
| 06:11.36 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah could do that. but I'd rather have a package thats adaptable at runtime rather than buildtime |
| 06:11.40 | kergoth | treke|home: just for consistency |
| 06:11.43 | kergoth | but this owrks |
| 06:12.16 | treke|home | run time would be nice, but its probably more work than its worth |
| 06:12.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:14.10 | treke|home | jesus, glibc is still building |
| 06:14.24 | treke|home | what the hell all is compiling |
| 06:14.27 | gaurdian | kergoth , if youre useing the sharp rom...is there a way to remove apps you dont use/want ? |
| 06:14.53 | treke|home | gaurdian: not on the fly |
| 06:14.54 | kergoth | no |
| 06:15.12 | kergoth | you can remove symlinks to the actual app in rom, but the app itself is still occupying flash space |
| 06:15.18 | gaurdian | hmm.....damm...gotta live with it atm I guess |
| 06:15.46 | kergoth | or give up on embedix |
| 06:16.01 | gaurdian | huh ? |
| 06:16.14 | kergoth | sharp rom uses embedix |
| 06:16.15 | kergoth | embedix sucks |
| 06:16.17 | kergoth | use OZ |
| 06:16.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:16.43 | noda | Even Hancom apps work on OZ... right? |
| 06:16.45 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:16.52 | gaurdian | well I really would be useing OZ but I need the wifi to work. Let meask you something. If I done "eject" the wifi card and just pull it out....is that an issue ? |
| 06:17.01 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:17.10 | kergoth | um |
| 06:17.12 | kergoth | thats not a question |
| 06:17.18 | noda | Just rip the card out, nothing will break |
| 06:17.19 | kergoth | 'if i eject the card and pull it out' .. |
| 06:17.25 | kergoth | thats half a question |
| 06:17.28 | kergoth | wheres the other half? |
| 06:17.36 | gaurdian | well, when I "eject" my wifi card it locks up, what if I dont eject, but just pull out |
| 06:17.42 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 06:17.45 | gaurdian | thats what I meant to say |
| 06:17.45 | noda | gaurdian: Then you're fine :) |
| 06:18.00 | gaurdian | OK...because "eject" locked me up hard |
| 06:18.04 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 06:18.13 | kergoth | and as i told you yesterday, thats already known |
| 06:18.17 | kergoth | and it wont be fixed until the new kernel |
| 06:18.19 | gaurdian | I know |
| 06:18.23 | kergoth | as its likely going to fix itself |
| 06:18.30 | noda | Oh, you've GOT to be kidding... |
| 06:18.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:18.38 | noda | My Z just locked up... |
| 06:18.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:18.47 | noda | And the switch in the back won't turn it off. |
| 06:18.53 | kergoth | um |
| 06:18.53 | gaurdian | now, the Kompany makes a few apps that NEED (so they say) to be installed in RAM. I assume that leavs out the 64-0 kernel ? |
| 06:18.58 | noda | What do I do, hit the reset button? |
| 06:18.59 | kergoth | that means you kernel paniced |
| 06:19.10 | kergoth | the soft reset switch is handled in kernel |
| 06:19.11 | kergoth | if it doesnt work, kyour kernel is dead |
| 06:19.17 | noda | Shit. |
| 06:19.20 | kergoth | full reset is the only option, unless you use sysrq |
| 06:19.21 | kergoth | try home+b |
| 06:19.32 | gaurdian | what about tht kergoth ? |
| 06:19.32 | kergoth | home is the kernel magic sysrq key |
| 06:19.40 | noda | Nothing's happening |
| 06:19.56 | kergoth | gaurdian: if they claim they only work in RAM, then obviously you need a kenrel that gives you a ramdisk. yes |
| 06:20.07 | noda | kergoth: There's NO way to save my ramdisk, right? |
| 06:20.09 | kergoth | noda: if it doesnt respond to sysrq something is borked |
| 06:20.15 | kergoth | noda: right |
| 06:20.16 | gaurdian | OK....say 6meg ramdisk should be enough.....I want max for running programs |
| 06:20.41 | gaurdian | will give that a shot..thanks for info |
| 06:20.52 | noda | Man, what a disappointment. |
| 06:20.59 | gaurdian | what ocked it ? |
| 06:21.02 | noda | I had just ripped out a CF card. But still, that kind of thing shouldn't happen. |
| 06:21.05 | gaurdian | er locked |
| 06:21.13 | noda | A 64MB flash card. |
| 06:21.28 | gaurdian | weird....I do that all the time with my 128 |
| 06:21.41 | noda | I've never had a panic before. |
| 06:23.05 | noda | Fuck. It's not the removing that broke it, it's inserting my CF card. |
| 06:23.08 | ||ugh | Ghods, RedHat/GNOME has finialy made a distro that is _slower_ to boot then MS-Windows! What a nightmare 8.1beta2 is is. It took 26 _hours_ to install. Makes one want to stick with OZ... :r) |
| 06:23.17 | noda | (The Wireless one) |
| 06:23.27 | kergoth | ||ugh: eek |
| 06:23.35 | kergoth | ||ugh: go with debian ;) |
| 06:23.35 | noda | ew |
| 06:23.57 | noda | Yeah, why does FreeS/WAN recommend redhat in all its docs? |
| 06:24.26 | ||ugh | I am testing RH, but Deb is more up my street...maybe I should even go back to FreeBSD... or maybe Pickles & Trout CP/M... |
| 06:24.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:24.44 | kergoth | i havent touched freebsd in ages, i should try it again |
| 06:25.37 | ||ugh | Why RedHat? Sigh, it was the only one with it's act together 5 years ago. Even worse NONE of the distros that have included FreeS/WAN got it right, you have to re-install on all of them. We are hoping to fix this soon... |
| 06:26.13 | noda | ||ugh: Because they've gotten too "big" :) |
| 06:26.51 | ||ugh | Ghods, I have 128 mebibytes on my main laptop and I have to wait MINUTES to change virtual screens. The GNOME folks are a nighmare! |
| 06:27.33 | noda | ||ugh: Whoa, don't go blaming GNOME. It takes *me* no time on Slackware, compiled from source. |
| 06:27.36 | kergoth | try a kde3.1 beta or cvs ;) |
| 06:27.56 | noda | kergoth: I can reliably cause a kernel panic... |
| 06:27.56 | ||ugh | Linux is bad at paging/swaping, the IDE interface is still way to slow and megs of RAM for every little screen widget is just stupid. |
| 06:28.19 | kergoth | noda: doing what? |
| 06:28.27 | noda | kergoth: Just putting in my wireless card. |
| 06:28.34 | ||ugh | Since the modern GNOMES are unuseable I am looking at installing KDE on systems for my family, for me I just might go back to vTWM... |
| 06:28.59 | noda | ||ugh: blackbox/openbox/fluxbox :) |
| 06:29.29 | kergoth | nodi have at least 6-8 confirmed reports that wifi is working fine in rc2... |
| 06:29.30 | noda | kergoth: I really don't know what to do, I simply cannot put the card in without it crashing... |
| 06:29.50 | ||ugh | Ug, more CF problems. Noda, I have not played with the *box window managers, maybe I should but I _am_ busy. |
| 06:29.54 | noda | Well yeah, it was working for me too! I just installed all my stuff, restarted opie. |
| 06:29.57 | kergoth | then 2-3 reports of WWEP issues which are likely user error |
| 06:30.17 | noda | Then I put in my CF disk, installed a package from there (phalanx), then ripped out the disk, put in the wireless card and poof. |
| 06:30.22 | kergoth | what card? |
| 06:30.24 | noda | kergoth: A kernel panic is NEVER user error |
| 06:30.43 | ||ugh | I have had zero CF problems in -rc2. Humm. Then again I have not left the house... |
| 06:30.50 | noda | Regular 64MB flash card, and then SMC2642W |
| 06:31.28 | kergoth | eh? are you dense? |
| 06:31.28 | ||ugh | When you GDB the core image, where did it crash...oh right...Torvalds knows more then every Unix fool who came before him... |
| 06:31.35 | kergoth | i said the WEP issue reports are user error |
| 06:31.39 | kergoth | i said nothing about your issue |
| 06:31.45 | noda | Oh, heh :) |
| 06:32.15 | gaurdian | what wep issues kergoth / |
| 06:32.52 | kergoth | couple users werent able to get WEP going on rc2 |
| 06:32.53 | gaurdian | will the Kompany's apps run ok on OZ ? |
| 06:33.10 | noda | After rebooting, when I put in the wireless card, the light on it blinks ("scanning for network"). But if I take it out and put it back again, the light is solid. |
| 06:33.12 | kergoth | yes, they do |
| 06:33.16 | gaurdian | cool |
| 06:33.31 | noda | Gonna try booting with wireless in. |
| 06:33.36 | noda | The CF disk works fine, btw. |
| 06:33.50 | gaurdian | what size disk ? |
| 06:33.54 | noda | 64 |
| 06:34.19 | noda | Personally, I don't see how anybody could screw up WEP. It's *so* simple :) |
| 06:34.53 | kergoth | noda: never underestimate stupidity |
| 06:35.17 | noda | Yeah, I never manage to learn that lesson. |
| 06:35.38 | noda | Crashes immediately after "Starting PCMCIA services: cardmgs[4313]: watching 2 sockets done." |
| 06:36.01 | ||ugh | So simple that some of us can break it... |
| 06:36.02 | noda | I see "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd", but I guess that's because cardmgr was still starting up in the background. |
| 06:36.34 | noda | kergoth: Is there a bug in the oz-base in unstable? :) |
| 06:37.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:38.10 | kergoth | what would oz-base have to do with a CF/wifi crash? |
| 06:38.14 | noda | I'm trying to think of what could be different in my setup than most 3.1rc2 users... |
| 06:38.18 | noda | Oh, I haven't a clue :P |
| 06:38.20 | kergoth | um |
| 06:38.31 | kergoth | 3.1rc2 includes a completely different version of HostAP |
| 06:38.48 | kergoth | we used to be on one from last may |
| 06:38.56 | kergoth | now we're on one from october |
| 06:39.31 | noda | Where do I *begin* debugging this problem? |
| 06:39.41 | ||ugh | Yea, the HostAP folks could use a new release... |
| 06:40.10 | noda | kergoth: rofl, no wonder my "home" key didn't work... my keyboard has jiggled loose or something. |
| 06:40.12 | kenb | noda: cardctl ident |
| 06:40.25 | kenb | put the into into hostap_cs |
| 06:41.01 | noda | kenb: Um. Did you see what the error was? :) |
| 06:41.04 | kergoth | kenb: he's on an smc card |
| 06:41.05 | kergoth | should be already in |
| 06:41.12 | kergoth | kenb: he's panicing |
| 06:41.13 | noda | It IS. and it was working great. |
| 06:41.16 | kergoth | kenb: softt reset doesnt work |
| 06:41.18 | kenb | err. |
| 06:41.32 | noda | What can I DO??? AAAAH! HELP!!! |
| 06:41.32 | kergoth | kenb: which means the kernel crashed hardcore |
| 06:41.39 | kenb | yes. |
| 06:41.55 | kenb | smc card uses hostap_cs as well.. hm.. |
| 06:42.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:42.19 | kenb | noda: got cf2pcmcia adapter and laptop ? |
| 06:42.45 | noda | kenb: Nope |
| 06:42.49 | kenb | damn |
| 06:42.54 | noda | Nor any equivalent setup :P |
| 06:42.58 | kenb | otherwise, you could try the card in laptop |
| 06:43.14 | kenb | :( |
| 06:43.58 | noda | It's gotta be something in some config file. It was working before, dammit! |
| 06:44.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:44.50 | noda | I'll kill cardctl and try doing a modprobe manually... |
| 06:44.56 | noda | erm, cardmgr that is |
| 06:47.05 | noda | If I kill cardmgr the card goes in. |
| 06:47.07 | noda | And the light stays on. |
| 06:47.36 | noda | Without cardmgr, how am I supposed to get the card to "register"? (I don't really know what I mean. What can I type to get onto the 'net?) |
| 06:53.28 | treke|home | kergoth: you ever played with apt-build before? |
| 06:53.55 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, very cool tool |
| 06:54.00 | kergoth | treke|home: select the optimizations and shit.. |
| 06:54.04 | treke|home | yup |
| 06:55.35 | gaurdian | whats so great about the LCD / |
| 06:59.10 | noda | gaurdian: Um... well, LCD's are really neat. They're made of thousands of tiny "liquid crystals" which reflect lights with the proper colours. The end result is a flat, lightweight, and crisp display. |
| 06:59.33 | gaurdian | I KNOW what a LCD is...I asked how it was better |
| 06:59.51 | noda | Than a CRT? It's flat, lightweight, and very crisp. |
| 07:00.03 | gaurdian | isnt the 5500 LCD also ? |
| 07:00.16 | kergoth | what was better? |
| 07:00.18 | kergoth | gaurdian: um, dood |
| 07:00.20 | noda | Yeah, you're not going to fit a CRT onto a small computer... |
| 07:00.35 | kergoth | gaurdian: you realize thats completely out of context right? the c700 discussion is in #zaurus, not here |
| 07:00.43 | gaurdian | ok...you said it was one of the best..I just asked why ? |
| 07:01.03 | gaurdian | doh...shit...sorry....to many channels open |
| 07:08.02 | gaurdian | kergoth , one more question re: rc2. when I tried it, it identified my wifi card incorrectly. Now I assume that the card still has a working driver attached, just named wrong. right ? |
| 07:16.04 | kergoth | right |
| 07:16.20 | kergoth | so if there was a problem, itw asnt that, it was somethign else |
| 07:16.34 | kergoth | brb |
| 07:40.38 | gaurdian | ok, not being a linux guy. I just installed rc2, how do I format the SD card to ext2fs ? |
| 07:41.24 | gaurdian | thanks |
| 07:43.07 | gaurdian | mkfs.ext2 /mnt/card /mnt/card is not a block special device |
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| 08:39.48 | RealUlli | gaurdian: mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:40.22 | RealUlli | gaurdian: (the device used for /mnt/card is in /etc/fstab) |
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| 09:18.41 | Bala | anyone know what this gcc error means? |
| 09:18.45 | Bala | /usr/local/arm/arm-v4l-linux/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 09:18.45 | Bala | /usr/local/arm/arm-v4l-linux/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `main' |
| 09:19.14 | Bala | why cant it find main? |
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| 10:10.22 | RealUlli | hmm.. where do I report bugs in the OZ build system? |
| 10:11.41 | ||ugh | Goto www.openzaurus.org, bugs is over on the left. |
| 10:14.55 | NarrowMind | what did ya find ? |
| 10:22.30 | RealUlli | NarrowMind: I tried to start a OZ build environment from scratch. everything went fine, except when it tried to unpack the binutils source, which it didn't find. Investigation showed that wget created a directory hierarchy not just the archive file (this is on debian testing) |
| 10:24.50 | RealUlli | NarrowMind: possibly it's just a quirk of my system, but i think it might be a good idea to tack -nH and/or -nd onto the wget call in the Makefile... :-) |
| 10:27.13 | RealUlli | ('im looking into the makefiles to find out exactly where.. :-) |
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| 10:34.13 | NarrowMind | did you have your sd card during the flash upgrade ? |
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| 10:35.43 | effy | does anyone know if when I update my zaurus, will the update destroy the data already on my compactflash? |
| 10:37.12 | Real2 | effy: update afaik not (as you're not re-flashing completely), but a backup is always recommended (IMHO) |
| 10:37.41 | Real2 | effy: that is, updating just the packages... |
| 10:38.00 | effy | ah, I meant the data on my CF |
| 10:38.14 | Real2 | effy: no. |
| 10:38.14 | effy | I am using my camera's CF, and just wondered if it might get destroyed |
| 10:38.23 | effy | cool, thanks |
| 10:38.57 | Real2 | effy: the upgrade touches the card only for reading or if you have installed software to the card... |
| 10:39.18 | Real2 | effy: still... make a backup to the computer if possible.. ;-) |
| 10:39.24 | effy | hehe true |
| 10:41.11 | effy | which update is this? for which model? |
| 10:41.58 | Real2 | effy: that was the 5500G, with OpenZaurus 3.1rc1... |
| 10:42.16 | effy | cool |
| 10:42.25 | effy | what kind of support is there in OZ for Japanese? |
| 10:42.49 | Real2 | effy: *ugh* no idea... |
| 10:42.52 | lsmith | hmm ... |
| 10:43.04 | effy | hehe |
| 10:43.10 | effy | I might give it a try |
| 10:43.11 | lsmith | did rc2 improve the chances of the Z not crashing when waking up in the cradle? |
| 10:43.28 | effy | I'm stuck between using my zaurus for personal data, or using it for experimentation :P |
| 10:43.32 | lsmith | because so far it worked all 3 times i tried |
| 10:43.34 | Real2 | lsmith: no idea - didn't happen to me yet... ;-) |
| 10:44.22 | Real2 | effy: make lots of backups... then you can use it for both... |
| 10:44.34 | effy | true |
| 10:46.04 | Real2 | effy: the OZ PIM apps store their data usually in /root/Applications and their settings in /root/Settings, so you might want to backup these... |
| 10:47.46 | Real2 | effy: simple command: tar cvzf /mnt/cf/backup-`date "+%Y%m%d"`.tar.gz /root/Applications /root/Settings |
| 10:48.07 | Real2 | ..or something like that... |
| 10:48.27 | Real2 | effy: you should clean up the backup files from time to time... ;-) |
| 10:49.34 | effy | in /root? or /home/QtPalmtop/? |
| 10:50.04 | Real2 | effy: also, afaik, the Fuji FinePix S602 apparently doesn't like non-camera files on the CF (it refuses to accept the card) |
| 10:50.22 | Real2 | effy: that command line is for OpenZaurus... not the Sharp ROM |
| 10:50.30 | effy | ah ok hehe |
| 10:50.49 | effy | I use the Canon Ixy 200 |
| 10:51.12 | effy | well, it looks like the update was successful |
| 10:51.53 | effy | didnt take long at all |
| 10:51.56 | Real2 | effy: the Sharp Backup app just backs up all the ram... there are no user data in the flash... OZ saves at least the PIM data in Flash... |
| 10:52.22 | effy | ic |
| 10:53.36 | Real2 | effy: OTOH, the Sharp backup also brings back all the installed apps after a reflash or a hard reset... |
| 10:54.42 | Real2 | grr.. how long is the ping timeout for dead nicks?! |
| 10:55.08 | effy | OTOH? |
| 10:55.21 | Real2 | effy: On The Other Hand |
| 10:55.26 | effy | ah hehe |
| 10:55.29 | effy | ;) |
| 10:56.28 | Real2 | ah.. finally. :-) |
| 10:56.32 | effy | hehe |
| 10:57.20 | effy | what are you doing up so late? |
| 10:58.25 | RealUlli | effy: late? I'm in germany... here it's 11:58... high noon.. ;-) |
| 10:58.36 | effy | ah hehe ok |
| 10:58.38 | RealUlli | effy: what's the time at your place? :-) |
| 10:58.45 | effy | almost 8pm |
| 10:59.17 | RealUlli | effy: and that's late?! ;-) |
| 10:59.43 | effy | I was assuming by your ident that you were somewhere in North America ;) |
| 11:00.11 | RealUlli | effy: oh, I C .. well... ;-) |
| 11:00.17 | effy | hehe |
| 11:00.53 | RealUlli | effy: t-dialin.net is the dialin domain of the deutsche telekom... |
| 11:00.59 | effy | ah ok |
| 11:01.25 | RealUlli | (including dsl flat rate users, like me... ;-) |
| 11:02.43 | XavierXeon | and me |
| 11:04.11 | XavierXeon | OT : anyone interested in highlighting Qt classes in kate --> http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/devel/qtstuff.html |
| 11:07.33 | effy | the Qt classes are crazy expensive |
| 11:07.58 | XavierXeon | effy: ??? |
| 11:08.49 | effy | cost almost $3000 |
| 11:09.16 | RealUlli | hm?! |
| 11:09.23 | XavierXeon | effy: qt is available for free if you are using it for open source |
| 11:09.44 | effy | ummmmmm, I think I may be mistaken haha |
| 11:09.49 | effy | I was thinking about the COURSES :P |
| 11:10.28 | RealUlli | ah.. well... |
| 11:12.11 | RealUlli | hmm. how do you check out files for editing in the OZ build tree, short of chmod +w... ? |
| 11:13.02 | RealUlli | (i don't have write access to the CVS or BK trees, but if i can report a bug with a patch included, it would probably help... :-) |
| 11:13.10 | tronical | RealUlli: bk co -l <file> (or quick bk vi <file>) |
| 11:13.41 | tronical | RealUlli: what's the bug you found (and where) ? |
| 11:14.46 | effy | either of you ever compile qtopia? |
| 11:15.05 | tronical | RealUlli: (I'm asking because if it's a no-brainer it might be easier to push the change right away :) |
| 11:15.15 | RealUlli | tronical: it might be a quirk on my system, but when downloading the binutils source wget created a directory hierarchy, causing the unpack to fail... i think getsource should nail down wget so it creates never a dir hierarchy, no matter what the defaults... |
| 11:15.29 | XavierXeon | effy: i did, but it did not work on the z |
| 11:15.33 | effy | oh |
| 11:15.37 | effy | which version? |
| 11:15.45 | XavierXeon | 1.5.0 |
| 11:15.56 | effy | I think trolltech is putting out source code versions that do not compile correctly |
| 11:16.23 | RealUlli | tronical: IMHO that's a no-brainer, so it's exactly right for a Z newbie like me... ;-) |
| 11:16.26 | tronical | RealUlli: are you using a DEBIAN_MIRROR in your VArs.local? |
| 11:16.44 | tronical | RealUlli: I mean't no-brainer in the sense that the patch is a one- or two-liner and trivial ;-) |
| 11:17.05 | RealUlli | tronical: afaik no... i'll check (i didn't put it in there, and wget created ftp.debian.org/... |
| 11:18.45 | XavierXeon | effy: i did compile nicely, but the main binary (qpe) did just quit without any error message |
| 11:20.08 | effy | Xavier: ok. I'm trying 1.6.0, and maybe I'm just not understanding MOC files correctly. The make file keeps trying to compile a global.moc file into a moc_passwordbase_p.o |
| 11:20.38 | RealUlli | tronical: the patch would be a one-liner... |
| 11:22.21 | RealUlli | tronical: just include in getsource, line 86: --no-directories --no-host-directories |
| 11:22.34 | XavierXeon | effy: odd. moc should just make a moc_name.cpp from some name.cpp and use it just as a regular file |
| 11:22.58 | effy | the command line uses g++ and global.moc in the same line |
| 11:23.14 | effy | must be an error somewhere |
| 11:23.51 | RealUlli | tronical: I think that should fix it - i just wanted to test it first and go the "official" way... ;-) |
| 11:24.05 | mickeyl | morning folks *yawn* |
| 11:24.17 | effy | I'm not even sure the source I have is the one that contains the addressbook originally with the C700 |
| 11:25.56 | XavierXeon | effy: probably not, most apps in qtopia 1.5 fiffer from the ones on a 5500 |
| 11:26.09 | effy | damn hehe |
| 11:26.15 | effy | so it's fruitless anyways :P |
| 11:26.26 | effy | I was trying 1.6.0 |
| 11:26.44 | effy | I'll have to ask an insider to find out what source they use for the addressbook app in Japanese |
| 11:29.02 | XavierXeon | effy: i take it you have the original (japanese) c700 ? |
| 11:31.44 | NarrowMind | tthere is a US version of the C700 ? |
| 11:32.46 | XavierXeon | NarrowMind: there is a an imported version with some bastard rom. i have forgoten the name of the company who does it. have a look in the zaurus forum |
| 11:33.10 | NarrowMind | dyna something |
| 11:33.32 | NarrowMind | dianetics or something |
| 11:33.32 | XavierXeon | yep |
| 11:34.29 | NarrowMind | bah.. this is why I hate japanese companies.. they dont sell the same stuff to us |
| 11:34.52 | NarrowMind | I guess they have to dumb it down for the rest of us |
| 11:35.11 | tronical | RealUlli: hm, I'm really surprised you see this effect. can you copy&paste the wget line that the build system executes (the one that creates the directory hierarchy for you) ? |
| 11:35.26 | RealUlli | tronical: just a sec |
| 11:36.53 | RealUlli | tronical: here comes the line, and the first 2 lines of wget output: |
| 11:36.58 | RealUlli | wget --continue --passive-ftp ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.13.90.0.16.orig.tar.gz |
| 11:37.00 | RealUlli | --19:46:04-- ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.13.90.0.16.orig.tar.gz |
| 11:37.02 | RealUlli | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.51 | effy | Xavier: there is no US version. |
| 11:38.19 | tronical | RealUlli: ok, I see. that that command creates a directory hierarchy for you? |
| 11:39.05 | XavierXeon | effy: as stated above you can buy it in the us, but its _not_ an official version |
| 11:39.06 | RealUlli | tronical: yup... the path in the second line of output... |
| 11:39.33 | effy | yeah, I've seen it before hehe |
| 11:39.49 | effy | but as far as I know, there are no official updates for it either |
| 11:40.23 | tronical | RealUlli: that sounds _really_ odd. what's the third and the fourth line in the output? |
| 11:42.28 | RealUlli | tronical: |
| 11:42.30 | RealUlli | Resolving localhost... done. |
| 11:42.32 | RealUlli | Connecting to localhost[127.0.0.1]:3128... connected. |
| 11:42.35 | RealUlli | Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 11:42.37 | RealUlli | Length: 9,358,758 [application/x-tar] |
| 11:43.19 | tronical | RealUlli: and if you execute that command separately in say /tmp it still creates a binutils_<blahfoo>.orig.tar.gz directory? |
| 11:43.37 | RealUlli | tronical: just a sec.. *test* |
| 11:44.23 | RealUlli | yup. |
| 11:44.40 | RealUlli | (apparently the file was still in the cache... :-) |
| 11:44.57 | tronical | I think then your wget is b0rked or something |
| 11:45.37 | RealUlli | *that's* what i want for download speed... 9 MB with a speed ot 31.10 MB/sec.. ;-D |
| 11:45.50 | RealUlli | tronical: that's possible... |
| 11:48.57 | RealUlli | tronical: i just checked /etc/wgetrc and ~/.wgetrc - nothing out of the ordinary... |
| 11:49.31 | tronical | RealUlli: I'm especially surprised given that your proxy returns application/x-tar as return type... |
| 11:49.41 | tronical | RealUlli: does it make a difference without the proxy? |
| 11:50.06 | RealUlli | tronical: hmm.. just a sec. |
| 11:52.20 | RealUlli | tronical: nope. (unset ftp_proxy and http_proxy) |
| 11:52.39 | tronical | RealUlli: whicih wget version is that? |
| 11:53.05 | RealUlli | tronical: 1.8.1 |
| 11:53.37 | tronical | RealUlli: hmm, 1.8.2 here. can't imagine that .1 is that b0rked tho. tried the one out of sid maybe? |
| 11:54.21 | RealUlli | tronical: hmm... this box is kinda mixed from stable and testing... |
| 11:55.05 | RealUlli | tronical: stable doesn't have some stuff i need - for example an X-Server that works with my Geforce.. ;-) |
| 11:57.39 | RealUlli | tronical: i'll try to upgrade wget... |
| 12:10.24 | RealUlli | tronical: upgraded, 1.8.2 still borked... ;-( |
| 12:11.26 | RealUlli | well.. anyway.. upgrading the whole system to testing... |
| 12:11.37 | effy | LOL, I just tried to compile my source and the file up and disappears! |
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| 12:16.35 | XavierXeon | is / a special character in python ? |
| 12:20.23 | RealUlli | hmm... i just changed getsource, did a make mrproper, then a make, now it seems to work.. :-) |
| 12:29.34 | lsmith | soo |
| 12:29.48 | lsmith | how is rc2 being recieved? |
| 12:29.53 | lsmith | any show stoppers? |
| 12:38.02 | mickeyl | XavierXeon: depends... where do you want to use it? |
| 12:38.23 | mickeyl | lsmith: no severe problems so fatr |
| 12:38.26 | mickeyl | s/fatr/far |
| 12:39.47 | XavierXeon | mickeyl: i want to go through the konqe bookmarks and replace things like </title> by nothing |
| 12:39.48 | lsmith | 3.1 final should get out the door soon |
| 12:39.58 | lsmith | and leave the kernel for 3.2 or 4.0 |
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| 12:40.12 | mark | <larios> some body knows that if i can put the open zaurus in a PC |
| 12:40.40 | mickeyl | lsmith: no. we _will_ ship the f*cking 3.1 with 2.4.19 no matter how long it takes :-D |
| 12:40.50 | lsmith | hrhr |
| 12:41.43 | mickeyl | lsmith: no seriously... 3.1rc2 is pretty much ok, and the kernel will be ready soon... it's nearly finished |
| 12:41.53 | mickeyl | _nearly_ being the critical adjective here :-D |
| 12:43.21 | lsmith | sd module ... |
| 12:43.46 | lsmith | the thing is: it makes no sense from a qa perspective to introduce a new kernel in rc3 |
| 12:53.40 | mickeyl | lsmith: as far as i know, the 2.4.19 will come as an additional option, e.g. in 3.1 you can choose whether to use 2.4.6 or 2.4.19 |
| 12:53.49 | lsmith | k |
| 12:54.03 | mickeyl | we will support both kernels for at least one or two releases |
| 12:54.40 | nobse | mickeyl: kergoth said yesterday, that 3.1 will shipped with 2.4.6 |
| 12:55.04 | mickeyl | nobse: did he? hmm... missed that. |
| 12:55.39 | mickeyl | it really all depends on the MMC and the touchscreen. |
| 12:55.53 | mickeyl | these are the two major items left. |
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| 13:10.30 | nobse | is there a replacement for opie-netmonapplet? |
| 13:12.21 | mickeyl | no. use the new networksetup to display current net settings |
| 13:19.29 | nobse | looks like opie-networksettings |
| 13:22.13 | nobse | hmm... how can I add a ppp0 device for connection to my isp via cellphone? |
| 13:22.36 | nobse | If I choose "Add" in networksetup, it says "sorry, nothing to add." |
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| 13:37.31 | RealUlli | hmm.. arm-linux-gcc doesn't get built... what am i doing wrong?!? |
| 13:38.17 | RealUlli | binutils and crosscompiler are checked in menuconfig... |
| 13:38.27 | tronical | RealUlli: add CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN=y into your .config |
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| 13:39.54 | TheMasterMind1 | tronical: sup |
| 13:40.13 | tronical | hey tmm1 |
| 13:44.08 | tronical | hm, was usbdnet already in 2.4.21-pre3? |
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| 13:44.22 | TheMasterMind1 | no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:44.29 | TheMasterMind1 | usbnet ! not usbDnet |
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| 13:45.04 | TheMasterMind1 | usbnet with zaurus support is in 21pre1+ |
| 13:45.24 | tronical | ah, usbnet and usbdnet have been like..merged? |
| 13:45.57 | TheMasterMind1 | no, usbdnet is shit and isn't being used anymore |
| 13:46.01 | TheMasterMind1 | it causes kernel panics |
| 13:46.13 | tronical | ahh, gotcha |
| 13:46.13 | tronical | thanks |
| 13:46.18 | TheMasterMind1 | np |
| 14:07.58 | ||ugh | Let me just go get TheMasterMind1's medication... :r) |
| 14:10.20 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
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| 14:50.20 | RealUlli | hmm.. still no arm-linux-gcc... :-( |
| 14:54.04 | effy | Real: you program in Qt, I take it |
| 14:56.09 | effy | I cant get my QLabel to refresh when I click on a QPushButton |
| 14:56.28 | effy | doesnt the SLOT setText make it change? |
| 14:58.10 | mickeyl | effy: yes, should. |
| 14:58.48 | effy | hmmmm |
| 14:59.15 | effy | mind if I show you the SIGNAL/SLOT line? |
| 14:59.21 | mickeyl | show |
| 14:59.25 | effy | QObject::connect(mybutton1, SIGNAL(clicked()), mylabel, SLOT(setText(mybutton1->text()))); |
| 14:59.51 | mickeyl | ah, that's not the way it works. you can't embed code in the SLOT |
| 14:59.56 | mickeyl | you should have get a runtime error |
| 15:00.13 | RealUlli | effy: nope.. |
| 15:00.18 | effy | there was no error, but a "no such SLOT" o something |
| 15:00.29 | mickeyl | that IS the error :) |
| 15:00.32 | effy | hehe ok |
| 15:00.34 | RealUlli | effy: i'm just trying to compile the buildroot-oz... |
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| 15:00.52 | RealUlli | effy: without much success yet... ;-) |
| 15:01.01 | mickeyl | effy: connect the clicked SIGNAL to a slot in your program and then call setText manually |
| 15:01.27 | effy | ah ok, declare a slot? but I thought SLOTs cannot be static functions |
| 15:01.56 | mickeyl | yes, that's why you should introduce a class in your program NOW :-D |
| 15:02.09 | effy | damn hehe |
| 15:02.17 | effy | I was hoping to make it simple ;) |
| 15:02.44 | mickeyl | well, it _is_ simple, but not simpler as it can. you must take at least a few preparations. |
| 15:03.16 | effy | I was trying to expand a little on the example I found in Programming with Qt |
| 15:03.57 | effy | so, make a class which extends off QWidget, and make that my MainWidget? |
| 15:05.06 | mickeyl | effy: you can, but it seems more reasonable to derive from a class which is a bit more capable, e.g. QFrame or QVBox or etc. |
| 15:05.18 | mickeyl | depends on what your widget should do |
| 15:05.27 | mickeyl | and if it should contain subwidgets or not |
| 15:05.56 | effy | hmmmm, could go off of QLabel, I guess. |
| 15:06.21 | effy | just need to add a simple SLOT for toggling the text display |
| 15:11.49 | effy | maybe I'm still thinking wrong hehe |
| 15:13.04 | mickeyl | effy: no you're on track. derive from QLabel, add a slot toggle() to it, where you change the label via setText, then connect clicked() to toggle() and you're set. |
| 15:13.39 | effy | ok, but I dont have to implement all the virtual functions of QLabel? |
| 15:14.31 | mickeyl | hehe, no. they're not pure virtual. |
| 15:14.36 | effy | ok |
| 15:14.38 | effy | :P |
| 15:14.41 | effy | thanks for the help |
| 15:15.04 | mickeyl | np - starting with qt is hard, but once you've learned the basics it's a breeze. |
| 15:15.26 | effy | I've never done any GUI programming, so there are some other parts that can be a hurddle |
| 15:15.42 | ljp | anyone know urls for arm asm reference, etc? |
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| 15:17.33 | Piete | hey guys |
| 15:17.48 | Piete | Anyone know of a frozen-bubble like game for the Z? |
| 15:18.20 | effy | "frozen-bubble like"? |
| 15:18.41 | Piete | yes |
| 15:18.48 | effy | what does that mean? :P |
| 15:18.52 | Piete | a game simmilar to frozen-bubble? |
| 15:18.55 | pb_ | like frozen-bubble :-) |
| 15:18.57 | nikki | i've seen one |
| 15:19.00 | nikki | lemme check |
| 15:19.03 | effy | never heard of it hehe |
| 15:19.05 | Piete | effy: frozen-bubble.org |
| 15:19.07 | pb_ | Piete: I guess you can run frozen-bubble itself, if you have enough disk. |
| 15:19.16 | nikki | bubble buster? |
| 15:19.26 | Piete | pb_: cool!, I have around 30MB free atm.. |
| 15:19.34 | Piete | nikki: ty |
| 15:19.42 | nikki | froots is quite near to frozen bubble too |
| 15:19.50 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:20.00 | pb_ | Piete: there is a version of f-b kicking around on handhelds.org that I resized for the ipaq. It uses SDL for all the I/O, so I guess it ought to "just work" on the Z also. |
| 15:20.33 | pb_ | Piete: trouble is that you need to install all the Perl crap in order to run it. It'd be nice if someone spent a day or so rewriting it in C. |
| 15:20.44 | Piete | pb_: ah :/ |
| 15:20.51 | Piete | pb_: yea, f-b in C would be nice |
| 15:21.05 | effy | mickey: I would need a toggle() for each message, then, woudlnt I? if slots are not supposed to have parameters |
| 15:21.21 | pb_ | Piete: I don't think it should be all that difficult, just a bit time-consuming. There aren't very many lines of code. |
| 15:22.10 | Piete | pb_: if I could code C, I would do it this week. :) |
| 15:23.25 | effy | mickey: pass it a reference to the button object? |
| 15:26.22 | mickeyl | effy: slots _can_ have parameters, but you can only connect a signal to a slot when the signatures match. so, if you want to connect clicked() to a slot, then to a slot without parameters. |
| 15:26.53 | mickeyl | effy: i recommend taking the time to work through the qt tutorial - it's a good reading and you'll know the basics afterwards |
| 15:27.06 | effy | but how do Iget mybutton1's text to the label? by giving it the address of mybutton1? |
| 15:27.08 | effy | ok |
| 15:27.21 | effy | that's kinda what I'm doing now heh |
| 15:29.31 | Piete | anyone know where tinykate's config files are? (I want to add syntax highlighting for html) |
| 15:31.14 | effy | bleh, constructor problems now |
| 15:33.46 | mickeyl | Piete: syntax highlighting is already in the opie cvs. tinykate looks for files in $OPIEDIR/share/tinykate/syntax |
| 15:34.08 | Piete | thank you mickeyl |
| 15:34.43 | Piete | mickeyl: $opiedir being /opt/QtPalmtop on OZ? |
| 15:36.23 | mickeyl | Piete: yep |
| 15:37.12 | Piete | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=842 <-- wow |
| 15:38.16 | effy | mickey: the QLabel constructor takes a parent widget. how do I set that in my own derived widget? |
| 15:38.51 | killefiz | Piete: ??? |
| 15:38.57 | ljp | Piete: overkill |
| 15:39.22 | Piete | ljp: yes, but its geeky :) |
| 15:39.27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:39.43 | chouimat | me want gentoo arm |
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| 15:40.24 | mickeyl | effy: same. copy the constructor of qlabel verbatim to your derived class |
| 15:40.27 | Piete | chouimat: me too me too me too! |
| 15:40.33 | effy | ok |
| 15:40.39 | effy | copy and paste? heh |
| 15:40.41 | effy | damn |
| 15:40.51 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: how goes the ucblic oz image |
| 15:42.32 | Piete | heh, I feel st00pid asking this, but how do you change the color settings in tinykate? I tap on the setting I want to change, but nothing happens.. |
| 15:43.49 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: monday or tuesday ... don't have time today |
| 15:43.58 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 15:45.23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: too much to do today ... |
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| 15:52.22 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: look at that lart: ulyx takes away George-'s internet connection |
| 16:04.37 | effy | mickey: you still around? |
| 16:04.54 | mickeyl | ? |
| 16:05.00 | effy | hehe |
| 16:05.18 | effy | it is saying setGeometry() is inaccessible |
| 16:05.41 | effy | am I supposed to override that one too? |
| 16:06.13 | effy | errr, overload? |
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| 16:06.52 | mickeyl | inaccessible? what's the exact error message? |
| 16:07.05 | effy | ./opt/qt/include/qwidget.h:346: `void QWidget::setGeometry(int, int, int, int)' is inaccessible |
| 16:07.41 | mickeyl | is that all? |
| 16:08.27 | effy | HelloWorld.cpp: In function `int main(int, char **)': |
| 16:08.27 | effy | /opt/qt/include/qwidget.h:346: `void QWidget::setGeometry(int, int, int, int)' is inaccessible |
| 16:08.27 | effy | HelloWorld.cpp:34: within this context |
| 16:08.27 | effy | HelloWorld.cpp:39: fields of `QObject' are inaccessible in `MyOwnLabel' due to private inheritance |
| 16:08.27 | effy | HelloWorld.cpp:44: fields of `QObject' are inaccessible in `MyOwnLabel' due to private inheritance |
| 16:08.41 | effy | that's all of it ;) |
| 16:08.55 | mickeyl | you must inherit public |
| 16:09.10 | mickeyl | class MyOwnLabel: public QLabel |
| 16:09.31 | effy | shoot, shows how much I really understand about C++ |
| 16:09.51 | mickeyl | hmm... it's not clever trying to learn C++ AND Qt at once. |
| 16:10.08 | mickeyl | Please learn C++ first. |
| 16:10.11 | chouimat | effy: the class definition please |
| 16:10.19 | effy | well, I've done some, and it's what I'm supposed to be doing at work too. but I cant say I'm a master by any means. |
| 16:10.22 | ljp | bah! dive in! head first! |
| 16:10.26 | effy | haha |
| 16:11.48 | effy | damn, I still get the error on the connect |
| 16:11.51 | effy | no such slot |
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| 16:13.57 | effy | keeps thinking it's a "QLabel" instead of a "MyOwnLabel" |
| 16:13.58 | effy | bleh |
| 16:14.41 | chouimat | ulyx: lart effy |
| 16:15.40 | effy | :( |
| 16:15.53 | effy | bleh on you! |
| 16:15.54 | effy | :P |
| 16:18.02 | effy | ulyx: lart chouimat |
| 16:18.10 | effy | :D |
| 16:19.23 | effy | alright, I give up for now. learn more later. goodnight |
| 16:29.35 | Piete | uh, so ulyx is the new chanbot? |
| 16:29.54 | Piete | >:) |
| 16:30.01 | Piete | ulyx: lart ibot |
| 16:30.07 | Piete | ibot: lart ulyx |
| 16:30.39 | Piete | ROBOT WARS :D |
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| 16:39.33 | AndyQ | hi |
| 16:39.58 | ||ugh | Morn. |
| 16:41.06 | chouimat | AndyQ: hi |
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| 17:00.33 | HighNo | does anyone know how to start oz in console mode? |
| 17:00.51 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't |
| 17:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | just get in opie and exit out of it |
| 17:01.43 | HighNo | hm, my opie doesnt start, thats the problem |
| 17:02.28 | HighNo | *urgent feature request* let oz boot to console if certain key is pressed when booting |
| 17:03.25 | chouimat | HighNo: tell that to kergoth |
| 17:04.23 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: you should put a note onto the oz-page that it's not a good idea to update some packages to rc2 - HighNo is another victim of trying this |
| 17:04.48 | HighNo | gosh, i totally crashed and am only a number on a list??? AAARGS :) |
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| 17:15.23 | RealUlli | hmm.. i seem to be lucky.. re-flashed to rc2 - no problems yet... |
| 17:16.15 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: which packages, do you know? |
| 17:16.16 | HighNo | the problem is not reflashing... |
| 17:16.27 | HighNo | TheMasterMind1: pcmcia-cs |
| 17:16.34 | HighNo | ist definatly one |
| 17:16.44 | HighNo | that one killed me |
| 17:16.55 | Piete | hey AndyQ :) |
| 17:16.56 | kenb | yea, pcmcia-cs is mising support for a few cards in rc2 |
| 17:16.59 | AndyQ | Hey Piete |
| 17:17.01 | kenb | this has been fixed in buildroot |
| 17:18.07 | Piete | g'nite all |
| 17:18.19 | AndyQ | night Piete |
| 17:19.26 | TheMasterMind1 | HighNo: hmm, ok |
| 17:19.48 | chouimat | hmm the moronbowl today :( |
| 17:19.50 | HighNo | i dont know why exactly |
| 17:20.21 | HighNo | but i updated via AQpkg from Opie, and when installing pcmcia-cs opie crashed |
| 17:20.36 | HighNo | it was seg fault or invalid instruction - dont remeber |
| 17:20.57 | HighNo | but i came down to an insane console |
| 17:21.18 | HighNo | and now it boots to this point |
| 17:21.22 | HighNo | *sigh* |
| 17:23.01 | chouimat | hmmm I think I will go outside today, they forecast -28C tomorrow |
| 17:57.59 | mark | chouimat|away: cool :) |
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| 17:59.42 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 17:59.58 | ljp | whazz up g ? |
| 18:00.03 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: some packages in the feed still need updating ;) |
| 18:00.13 | Dessimat0r | the same ones as yesterday, hehe |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:03.06 | kergoth | i updated the feed last night. |
| 18:03.11 | kergoth | unstable. |
| 18:04.45 | kergoth | HighNo: invalid instruction or segfault indicates you upgraded part of opie but not all of it. |
| 18:05.31 | ljp | kergoth: you have any docs on arm asm? or know urls |
| 18:05.37 | RealUlli | arghrrr.... |
| 18:05.48 | RealUlli | *** This version of GNU libc cannot be compiled by GCC 3.x. |
| 18:05.54 | RealUlli | *grumble* |
| 18:06.10 | kergoth | ljp: yes, ARM ARM is the definitive reference |
| 18:07.21 | pb_ | RealUlli: get a newer glibc |
| 18:08.20 | RealUlli | pb_: not yet.. actually, i don't even have an idea which glibc that gcc is talking about... |
| 18:08.45 | RealUlli | pb_: the host or the target glibc... |
| 18:08.50 | pb_ | RealUlli: you get that error if you try to build glibc 2.2 with a new gcc. |
| 18:09.13 | pb_ | so, presumably this is the target one |
| 18:09.25 | RealUlli | anyway.. another try, with 2.95.4 (hopefully, it gets built this time around... ) |
| 18:10.32 | ljp | arm arm? |
| 18:10.40 | kergoth | arm architecture reference manual |
| 18:10.58 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:11.00 | Dessimat0r | unstable |
| 18:11.03 | Dessimat0r | alright :D |
| 18:11.12 | Dessimat0r | I was looking in http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.1rc2/feed/ |
| 18:11.13 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:11.27 | kergoth | thats testing |
| 18:11.28 | Dessimat0r | Thanks kergoth ;) |
| 18:11.41 | kergoth | it wont see any new packages or changes, barring seucrity issues or critical bugs, until the rc3 release |
| 18:11.47 | kergoth | bleh security |
| 18:11.47 | Dessimat0r | ah, alright |
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| 18:30.58 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:31.10 | AndyQ | hoho |
| 18:31.11 | kergoth | the fortune packages have a circular dependency |
| 18:31.24 | kergoth | and my lil 'reconfigruign packages' script follow sdependencies to make sure they're config'd in order |
| 18:31.31 | kergoth | so it confiugures forever :) |
| 18:31.43 | HighNo | :) |
| 18:31.47 | HighNo | keep going! |
| 18:31.55 | HighNo | get a faster processor |
| 18:32.25 | XavierXeon | high HighNo |
| 18:32.29 | HighNo | i once heard a pentium II finished endless loops in 7.62secs |
| 18:32.47 | dep | in oz 3.1rc2 linksys wfc12 is an unsuported card |
| 18:32.59 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o chouimat] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.19 | HighNo | nice to see that the buffalo is still supported |
| 18:33.23 | kergoth | dep: yes, it is. upgrahde to hostap-modules from unstable |
| 18:33.42 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: you around? |
| 18:37.18 | kergoth | ipkg needs Recommends |
| 18:37.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:37.54 | kergoth | example, when you take an existing package and split it into multiple packages |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth | Recommends would ease the transition for the user |
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| 18:42.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg needs many many things |
| 18:42.20 | TheMasterMind1 | and i need time to work on ipkg |
| 18:43.27 | kergoth | now's a good time :) |
| 18:43.29 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:43.32 | RealUlli | TheMasterMind1: yesterday you were bored... ;-) *pulls_his_leg*... ;-0 |
| 18:43.37 | angry | icefox: how was linuxworld? |
| 18:43.43 | angry | icefox: where are the pics again? :) |
| 18:43.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: oh |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: put ipkg-link in familiar/dist/ipkg/utils/ or whatever |
| 18:43.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in cvs |
| 18:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | the script? |
| 18:44.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then it'll be on both ipaq and Z, and andy can call it instead of doing the linking himself |
| 18:44.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 18:44.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmk |
| 18:44.22 | angry | eww ibot's in here |
| 18:44.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: besides, i'm sure the ipaq folks could make use of it |
| 18:44.28 | TheMasterMind1 | only if its included in pacages though |
| 18:44.32 | Dessimat0r | what is wrong with ibot? |
| 18:44.33 | kergoth | ibot: lart angry |
| 18:44.34 | TheMasterMind1 | packages |
| 18:44.34 | angry | now people will be reading what i say later |
| 18:44.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, but we can have them include it |
| 18:44.41 | angry | who arent in the chat |
| 18:44.41 | angry | hehe |
| 18:44.41 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:44.43 | AndyQ | hey Dessimat0r |
| 18:44.47 | Dessimat0r | lo AndyQ ;) |
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| 18:44.52 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: up for a new version? |
| 18:44.55 | Dessimat0r | dling unstable feed |
| 18:44.55 | kergoth | hey drw |
| 18:45.02 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: ahhh |
| 18:45.03 | Dessimat0r | right after I've updated ;) hehe |
| 18:45.06 | AndyQ | hey drw |
| 18:45.15 | angry | BIGBOSS IS AN ASSET TO THE ZAURUS COMMUNITY |
| 18:45.19 | drw | hey kergoth, AndyQ, etc. |
| 18:45.27 | angry | (got that ibot?) |
| 18:45.28 | Dessimat0r | who is BigBoss? |
| 18:45.31 | kergoth | lol angry |
| 18:45.44 | kergoth | ibot: bigboss |
| 18:45.49 | | [bigboss] like the president of TheKompany |
| 18:45.49 | angry | bigboss runs thekompany |
| 18:46.06 | chouimat | kergoth: ulyx Declares jihad on George- |
| 18:46.10 | Dessimat0r | pff.. not an asset to the free software and open source community |
| 18:46.18 | kergoth | chouimat: hehe, i saw that |
| 18:46.39 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: bigboss is known to scan ibot's logs of channels for tkc references |
| 18:46.46 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: emule is just whoring my bandwidth atm ;) |
| 18:46.53 | AndyQ | lol |
| 18:46.55 | Dessimat0r | dling Full Metal Panic |
| 18:46.56 | chouimat | kergoth: grep tkc log :) |
| 18:47.06 | Dessimat0r | and the feed |
| 18:47.07 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:47.08 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: is emule any good? |
| 18:47.11 | gaurdian | w |
| 18:47.13 | Dessimat0r | its amazing :D |
| 18:47.15 | Dessimat0r | not for music tho |
| 18:47.23 | Dessimat0r | winmx is for music |
| 18:47.37 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: nah - kaaza is for music |
| 18:47.43 | kergoth | kazaalite |
| 18:47.44 | AndyQ | much better than winmx |
| 18:47.46 | Dessimat0r | winmx is better than kazaa ;) |
| 18:47.47 | AndyQ | yup |
| 18:47.49 | kergoth | gotta ditch that spam |
| 18:47.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:47.53 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:47.54 | angry | http://wopn.org/music is for music |
| 18:48.17 | chouimat | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/29026.html |
| 18:48.18 | Dessimat0r | hrm, this transfer is taking too long to initiate |
| 18:48.20 | Dessimat0r | something is up |
| 18:48.32 | chouimat | kergoth: we need to have www.openemdedded.mil too |
| 18:48.38 | angry | lol |
| 18:48.42 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:49.02 | Dessimat0r | has anyone actually found the site to register a .mil yet? |
| 18:49.07 | angry | Dessimat0r: yes |
| 18:49.11 | angry | Dessimat0r: read slashdot comments |
| 18:49.14 | Dessimat0r | people were having trouble |
| 18:49.14 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 18:49.25 | angry | Dessimat0r: but people didnt realize it wasnt automated |
| 18:49.38 | angry | Dessimat0r: it is basically just a thing that generates a form email to a person for review |
| 18:49.59 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:50.20 | chouimat | hmmmm www.lotofsex.mil sound good |
| 18:50.21 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: resend |
| 18:50.25 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 18:50.48 | AndyQ | on its way |
| 18:50.54 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:51.04 | ljp | how about www.killthatfatbastard.mil |
| 18:51.12 | Dessimat0r | ah! i know whats up |
| 18:51.18 | Dessimat0r | i already have a pong.tgz |
| 18:51.21 | Dessimat0r | in the dir |
| 18:51.24 | Dessimat0r | its trying to resume from it |
| 18:51.25 | AndyQ | heh |
| 18:51.48 | Dessimat0r | okay, resend again ;) |
| 18:51.56 | ljp | pong? |
| 18:51.57 | Dessimat0r | should work now |
| 18:51.58 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 18:52.25 | AndyQ | indeed it did |
| 18:52.31 | Dessimat0r | yup :D |
| 18:52.47 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Its also got sound now but I haven't sent the wav files :) |
| 18:53.18 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:53.42 | ljp | damn floats!!!! |
| 18:54.06 | Dessimat0r | can't get a bloody song out of my head |
| 18:54.10 | Dessimat0r | 'the final countdown' |
| 18:54.15 | Dessimat0r | from 1986 |
| 18:54.16 | AndyQ | heh |
| 18:54.20 | kergoth | ljp: ah, gotta switch to integer math eh |
| 18:54.30 | ljp | listen to Madonna "Music" |
| 18:54.36 | Dessimat0r | nooooo |
| 18:54.39 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: I got a version from 1999, much better |
| 18:54.44 | ljp | i hate math |
| 18:54.49 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: got a serverlist file for emule? |
| 18:54.54 | ljp | frickin numbers |
| 18:54.57 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: the techno version? |
| 18:54.57 | ljp | :) |
| 18:55.21 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: nope, the vision divine version |
| 18:55.26 | Dessimat0r | it must be the only english song I like |
| 18:55.27 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:57.14 | ljp | someone hack a FPU on the 5000d |
| 18:57.25 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: the shadow needs to be on all walls |
| 18:57.32 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: the light direction is the front |
| 18:57.57 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: There is no light sourcing yet (only coz I don't know yet how to do that manually) |
| 18:58.12 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: And the shadow would make it too easy - its onlythere for beginners :) |
| 18:58.17 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:58.35 | angry | that ipaq with bluetooth / 802.11b built in seems damn sexy |
| 18:58.49 | AndyQ | burn the heretic :) |
| 18:58.51 | HighNo | :) |
| 18:59.05 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: your next game HAS to be cosmic Causeway |
| 18:59.06 | Dessimat0r | pleaaase |
| 18:59.07 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 18:59.15 | AndyQ | heh - nope |
| 18:59.16 | HighNo | i'd love to have a zaurus with nvidia graphic chipset :) |
| 18:59.18 | AndyQ | 3D SFCave |
| 18:59.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:59.25 | angry | 3d sfcave sucks |
| 18:59.27 | kergoth | i want a c700 w/ c0 stepping, 64mb ram, and bulit in BT |
| 18:59.27 | kergoth | that'd be godly. |
| 18:59.28 | Dessimat0r | how does that work? |
| 18:59.37 | Dessimat0r | 3d sfcave |
| 18:59.38 | AndyQ | not the way I do it:) |
| 18:59.38 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:59.40 | angry | i run www.sfcave.com :) |
| 18:59.45 | angry | port the necrocave java game to the Z! |
| 18:59.58 | HighNo | is there a nvidia cf-gf4-card? |
| 18:59.58 | AndyQ | nah - don't really like the necrocave much |
| 19:00.01 | Dessimat0r | cosmic causeway! ;) |
| 19:00.07 | ljp | whats a java? |
| 19:00.18 | AndyQ | ljp some coffee I believe :) |
| 19:00.21 | kergoth | i loved necrocave, but then i got used to the physics in AndyQ's sfcaves |
| 19:00.23 | angry | my brother edited sfcave (java) into necrocave |
| 19:00.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:00.42 | chouimat | necrocave? |
| 19:00.53 | ljp | mmmm coffee |
| 19:00.56 | angry | chouimat: the default game on www.sfcave.com |
| 19:01.22 | AndyQ | kergoth: tried the sdl SFCAve yet? |
| 19:01.30 | HighNo | is it good? |
| 19:01.31 | HighNo | :) |
| 19:01.38 | AndyQ | yup very (imo) |
| 19:01.42 | HighNo | hehe |
| 19:01.45 | kergoth | AndyQ: yea i have, it behaves slightly different, but i like it |
| 19:01.50 | angry | AndyQ: you mean yasfcave? |
| 19:02.09 | AndyQ | kergoth: you can now screw with the physics if you so desire |
| 19:02.11 | angry | AndyQ: or is there a zaurus specific one |
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| 19:02.23 | kergoth | AndyQ: oh nice |
| 19:02.29 | AndyQ | angry: I mean Zaurus specific SFCave SDL version |
| 19:02.33 | HighNo | at the moment i'm playing oz3.1rc2-extreme-options-reediting-after-newly-flashing-because-of-updated-packages-unrecoverable-error |
| 19:02.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: course now our high scores arent comparable :) |
| 19:02.43 | Dessimat0r | Thanks chouimat :D |
| 19:02.52 | AndyQ | kergoth: well, the physics customisa\tion is only applicable to the custom difficulty |
| 19:02.54 | angry | ahh the one you made |
| 19:02.55 | HighNo | and i hate this ga |
| 19:02.56 | HighNo | me |
| 19:03.08 | kergoth | AndyQ: oh good |
| 19:03.11 | AndyQ | kergoth: hehe - otherwise people would cheat :) |
| 19:03.17 | kergoth | yup |
| 19:03.19 | Dessimat0r | I wonder if Windows Media Player still crashes on playing .ogg |
| 19:03.36 | HighNo | i wonder when it does so on my Z |
| 19:03.45 | RealUlli | Dessimat0r: do you care? ;-) |
| 19:03.53 | AndyQ | kergoth: good settings are: 0.5 for thrust up and gravity and 9.0 for max up and down |
| 19:04.00 | Dessimat0r | I'm using Windows XP, thats why ;) |
| 19:04.01 | angry | AndyQ: i'll link to your sfcave version from sfcave.com one sec |
| 19:04.03 | Dessimat0r | Hate WinAmp |
| 19:04.17 | AndyQ | angry: do you want some screenshots? |
| 19:04.26 | angry | AndyQ: sure |
| 19:04.33 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: use winamp3 w/ the MMD3 skin |
| 19:04.36 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: _very_ nice |
| 19:04.37 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: winamp is good - (2.x version that is - 3.0 sucks) |
| 19:04.42 | AndyQ | angry: dcc OK? |
| 19:04.45 | kergoth | winamp3 sucks without MMD3 |
| 19:04.45 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 19:04.49 | kergoth | the default skin is crap |
| 19:04.52 | angry | AndyQ: one sec let me config router for it |
| 19:05.14 | AndyQ | k - I've got 3 |
| 19:05.41 | angry | AndyQ: ok, try sending |
| 19:06.04 | angry | ooh it works |
| 19:06.08 | AndyQ | heh |
| 19:06.40 | AndyQ | und funally... |
| 19:07.36 | angry | AndyQ: i'll try to get around to adding it within the next hour, need to eat first :) |
| 19:07.43 | AndyQ | cool :) |
| 19:08.11 | angry | AndyQ: mind if i also mirror the files on my site? (as alternate download locations) |
| 19:08.39 | angry | ill have the main link go to your site so they can get most recent version |
| 19:08.40 | angry | brb |
| 19:09.00 | AndyQ | Nope - not at all - although you may not have the most up-to-date version as it changes frequently (and once its added to the opie feed and builds it will change filename every time) |
| 19:09.06 | Dessimat0r | isn't it nice how, on windows, some disable components don't actually *look* disabled |
| 19:09.10 | Dessimat0r | Thanks M$ |
| 19:09.18 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 19:09.29 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: emule sucks ! |
| 19:09.34 | Dessimat0r | the backing of a textbox should actually turn grey |
| 19:09.37 | Dessimat0r | emule 0wnz! :D |
| 19:09.42 | AndyQ | nice interface but you can't get anything |
| 19:09.47 | Dessimat0r | why not? |
| 19:09.50 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:09.59 | AndyQ | in queue...... |
| 19:09.59 | Dessimat0r | got to www.sharereactor.com |
| 19:10.02 | Dessimat0r | *go |
| 19:10.04 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 19:10.10 | Dessimat0r | yeah, queues are a bitch |
| 19:10.30 | AndyQ | server down |
| 19:10.30 | Dessimat0r | dling at 10.6k/s atm |
| 19:10.43 | Dessimat0r | with emule |
| 19:11.33 | chouimat | AndyQ: acept DCC |
| 19:11.35 | Dessimat0r | I think that the eDonkey network is biased to those with massive connections |
| 19:11.42 | Dessimat0r | for some reason |
| 19:11.45 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: how is the song |
| 19:11.50 | Dessimat0r | hold on ;() |
| 19:11.52 | AndyQ | hehe - didn't know you sent another also :) |
| 19:11.52 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:11.53 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 19:11.54 | AndyQ | ta |
| 19:12.34 | Dessimat0r | wow, wmp now plays ogg :D |
| 19:13.30 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:13.41 | kergoth | im tellin you, try winamp3 w/ mmd3 :) |
| 19:13.44 | chouimat | bah? |
| 19:13.59 | Dessimat0r | chouimat: this one sucks to the original |
| 19:14.10 | Dessimat0r | crap singer |
| 19:14.17 | Dessimat0r | bg music is too loud |
| 19:14.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: winamp 3 is 'orrible! |
| 19:14.26 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: It's the Rhapsody singer so |
| 19:14.27 | Dessimat0r | the bg music is too plain |
| 19:14.29 | Dessimat0r | no depth |
| 19:14.34 | chouimat | he's a good singer |
| 19:14.38 | Dessimat0r | with the orignal, you can hear 10 layers of music |
| 19:14.39 | kergoth | AndyQ: nah, not with mmd3 |
| 19:14.40 | Dessimat0r | or so |
| 19:14.40 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:15.55 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 19:15.59 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 19:16.25 | kergoth | chouimat: groucho fucked up the dependencies ona bunch of opie packages |
| 19:16.32 | kergoth | Depends: libqpe1 (0.9.1) |
| 19:16.39 | kergoth | but libqpe1 is actually 0.9.1-[datestamp] |
| 19:16.54 | kergoth | and hardcoding a specific version to depend on is bad |
| 19:16.59 | chouimat | ulyx: lart groucho |
| 19:16.59 | kergoth | he shoudl be >=0.9.1 if nothing else |
| 19:17.11 | kergoth | i.e. if depending on a specific api change or something |
| 19:17.47 | chouimat | kergoth: that would be ok if opie2 was out and was not bc with 0.9.1 |
| 19:17.54 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 19:18.15 | kergoth | chouimat: then it'd be <=0.9.1, unless it depends on a change introduced in 0.9.1 as well |
| 19:18.25 | kergoth | chouimat: its pretty rare to need to hardcode an exact version |
| 19:18.43 | kergoth | i.e. what if there were multiple 0.9.1 revisions? 0.9.1-1 through 0.9.1-5 for example? |
| 19:18.48 | kergoth | then depends are borked |
| 19:18.50 | chouimat | kergoth: in that case I would be something like libopie1-groucho :) |
| 19:18.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18.59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:19.23 | chouimat | kergoth: that would mean groucho had done some change specific to that version |
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| 19:24.03 | AndyQ | ok - off - bbl |
| 19:24.07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:24.08 | Dessimat0r | cya ;) |
| 19:24.13 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 19:24.17 | chouimat | bye AndyQ |
| 19:24.35 | Dessimat0r | exits, rejoins then exits, hehe ;) |
| 19:24.37 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: how the second ogg? |
| 19:24.45 | Dessimat0r | don't like it :/ |
| 19:24.54 | chouimat | ulyx replaces George-s jock itch cream with Nair |
| 19:26.09 | Dessimat0r | and the original of 'The Final Countdown' is much better, and has more depth to it ;) (and a better singer) |
| 19:26.17 | Dessimat0r | The newer version is out of tune in some places |
| 19:26.31 | Dessimat0r | in that you are waiting for an intrument to play, longer than when you expect it |
| 19:26.36 | Dessimat0r | or it plays too soon |
| 19:26.36 | Dessimat0r | etc |
| 19:26.39 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: find some Rhapsody on kazaa or edunkey |
| 19:41.59 | kergoth | woot |
| 19:42.03 | kergoth | figured out the opie dependencies |
| 19:42.17 | kergoth | I'm going toh ave the opie ipk builder grep out the qt version string from one of hte qt headers |
| 19:42.21 | kergoth | hackish, but it'll do |
| 19:42.52 | ljp | thats inconceivable!! |
| 19:43.46 | angry | is .png an OK format for displaying in an <img> on a website? |
| 19:43.53 | chouimat | kergoth: yurk! |
| 19:43.56 | angry | and is it lossless? |
| 19:44.08 | TheMasterMind1 | angry: depends on the browser |
| 19:44.08 | TheMasterMind1 | most can show pngs |
| 19:44.09 | ljp | lossy |
| 19:44.11 | TheMasterMind1 | except if its transparent |
| 19:44.45 | angry | well the zaurus sdl sfcave screenshots are in .bmp now |
| 19:44.52 | angry | and one of them has a pretty detailed explosion thingy |
| 19:44.57 | Dessimat0r | if you were to put an athlon xp into your brain, would your brain eventually learn how to use it? |
| 19:45.01 | angry | but others are mainly plain (would be good for .gif though) |
| 19:45.20 | angry | but i dont want some to look diff from others |
| 19:46.38 | TheMasterMind1 | bmp?!! |
| 19:46.49 | TheMasterMind1 | bmp only shows in IE |
| 19:47.23 | angry | TheMasterMind1: this is why i want to change it |
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| 20:03.04 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 20:03.16 | kergoth | chouimat: pong |
| 20:03.30 | chouimat | kergoth: can you add me on openembedded.sf.net? |
| 20:03.47 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah |
| 20:07.26 | Dessimat0r | I'm leaving for Venus |
| 20:08.23 | chouimat | kergoth: did you take a look at that site: http://qplus.etri.re.kr/qplus-p/index.html |
| 20:10.30 | chouimat | ouch a 478MB download |
| 20:17.14 | angry | is there an option to <table> which can set the table border to be flat and not bevel? |
| 20:17.52 | HighNo | I think only with html4 with css |
| 20:19.03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot preempt |
| 20:19.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot preemptive kernel |
| 20:19.06 | | TheMasterMind1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:19.13 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot preemptive |
| 20:19.13 | | TheMasterMind1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 20:19.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot preempt kernel |
| 20:19.56 | | [preempt kernel] http://handhelds.org/feeds/2.4.18-preempt/ and is also with a pre-emtive kernel, processes are taken out of running if another process with a higher piority wants to run. between switching processes, there is a delay in which the cpu cannot be used so programs have less CPU time on the whole ;) but higher piority jobs can interrupt the currently running one, meaning that there are less noticable delays |
| 20:20.10 | kergoth | chouimat: hmmm |
| 20:20.17 | kergoth | chouimat: that looks like what w'ere trying to do :) |
| 20:20.30 | kergoth | chouimat: though it looks limited to RPM, and uses CML2 rather than lkc |
| 20:21.21 | chouimat | kergoth: I know but I will study this week and probably came with something |
| 20:21.45 | kergoth | chouimat: okay |
| 20:21.54 | kergoth | chouimat: it may save us some work .. we could adapt it to our purposes |
| 20:22.09 | kergoth | chouimat: if its not ssufficiently worthwhile, we'll chuck it and adopt our own using some of their ideas |
| 20:22.13 | chouimat | kergoth: the tools are in python using wxwindows |
| 20:22.16 | kergoth | chouimat: like, the search function in their gui is very very nice |
| 20:22.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:22.44 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe I could adapt it to use pyQT and but it with my own buildsystem :) |
| 20:22.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:22.57 | kergoth | I'd like to use python in our system |
| 20:23.06 | kergoth | or some other language that facilitates function calls |
| 20:23.16 | kergoth | being limited to make's targets and prerequisites hurrts |
| 20:23.25 | chouimat | kergoth: if we can came to a plug an play solution .... |
| 20:23.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:23.36 | kergoth | that system is limited to linux also |
| 20:23.49 | chouimat | some kind of wizard that add target |
| 20:24.00 | chouimat | well a boilerplate |
| 20:31.04 | HighNo | gna, where was the difference between konqueror and konquerer-full? |
| 20:32.58 | kergoth | HighNo: thats in the faq. -full has javascripts upport |
| 20:33.02 | chouimat | kergoth: I will also study ecos buildsystem and will send you a report soon |
| 20:33.09 | HighNo | sorry and thx |
| 20:33.25 | DaJoker | hrm? did someone mention python? |
| 20:33.27 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 20:33.49 | kergoth | chouimat: k |
| 20:34.11 | Dessimat0r | ibot message to AndyQ I need a thing on AQPkg to filter by install location - sometimes I want to uninstall some non-essential packages from root to free up some space, and this would help. |
| 20:34.19 | chouimat | DaJoker: yup me |
| 20:34.54 | HighNo | would it be possible to ipkg to better support FAT filesystems? |
| 20:35.47 | HighNo | a special thing is, whenever there is a link in the ipkg it should try to create that link in root, not locally on the filesystem |
| 20:36.41 | HighNo | or is there something new i didnt get before? |
| 20:37.10 | chouimat | HighNo: ipk use the link support of the filesystem and since fat doesn't support that |
| 20:37.37 | Dessimat0r | just format your card to EXT2, and all your problems are solved |
| 20:37.44 | HighNo | you could always solve the problem this way: |
| 20:38.02 | bipolar | man... I got a bad link over here at my parents. VNC is painful. :p |
| 20:38.11 | HighNo | if ipkg contains a and b which is a link to a |
| 20:39.02 | HighNo | then ipkg unpacks a to the filesystem and tries to create b as a link to a on the same filesystem |
| 20:39.15 | HighNo | this obviously wont work on FAT |
| 20:39.16 | HighNo | BUT |
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| 20:40.08 | HighNo | it could if ipkg was so clever that it would create b as a link in the root filesystem (where a link to a is already) |
| 20:40.27 | HighNo | you get it? |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | HighNo: yes, but that wont be happening anytime soon. ipkg assuming you want to link to root would be bad. |
| 20:41.09 | HighNo | formating ext2 is nice to have but one sometimes has to rely on FAT due to windows... |
| 20:41.17 | kergoth | HighNo: given that linking isnt a _ipkg_ function. |
| 20:41.31 | kergoth | HighNo: were ipkg itself to handle the linking from dest to root, then yes, that would be make sense |
| 20:41.57 | HighNo | hm, no chance to see that feature in near future? |
| 20:42.06 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 20:42.16 | HighNo | darn... |
| 20:42.17 | kergoth | the ipkg maintainer is busy lately |
| 20:42.18 | HighNo | :) |
| 20:42.21 | kergoth | and ipkg is in dire need of a rewrite. |
| 20:42.29 | chouimat | HighNo: got a ext2 driver for windows |
| 20:43.00 | chouimat | s/got/get |
| 20:43.13 | HighNo | i would need to have it on disk, cause i change stations often... :( |
| 20:43.40 | HighNo | is there a good driver with write support for windows? |
| 20:44.28 | chouimat | HighNo: paragon ext2 everywhere I think |
| 20:44.46 | HighNo | ouch, that will cost money, right? |
| 20:44.54 | chouimat | HighNo: yup |
| 20:45.00 | HighNo | darn again :) |
| 20:45.15 | chouimat | HighNo: it's windows so ..... |
| 20:45.28 | HighNo | hehe, okok, i got your point :) |
| 20:47.44 | chouimat | kergoth: look like it's very easy to add a target to qplus |
| 20:48.21 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:49.39 | Dessimat0r | problem: TinyKate dosen't work unless you execute it from the command line? |
| 20:49.48 | kergoth | thats wrong |
| 20:49.53 | kergoth | i'm running it right now via the gui |
| 20:49.55 | kergoth | works great |
| 20:50.02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:50.04 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 20:50.10 | Dessimat0r | it didn't work the first time |
| 20:50.12 | Dessimat0r | for some reason |
| 20:50.23 | ljp | why am I inside looking at float > fixed mp3 decoder code, when its so damned nice outside? |
| 20:50.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50.51 | kergoth | its.. 2 degrees F out atm |
| 20:50.53 | kergoth | i think i'll keep codin |
| 20:50.57 | Dessimat0r | Having tinykate is a cause for celebration :D |
| 20:50.59 | HighNo | hehe |
| 20:51.01 | angry | huzzah! done with http://www.sfcave.com/zaurus.php |
| 20:51.07 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: yes, nice eh? |
| 20:51.13 | Dessimat0r | yup :D |
| 20:51.16 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: i dont use textedit anymore at all |
| 20:51.17 | chouimat | ulyx: weather CYQB |
| 20:51.30 | ljp | my lawn looks like crap. there was no big wind to blow off all the leaves, so I am going to have to rake or mow it all before long. |
| 20:51.34 | Dessimat0r | eep, the syntax selection box fills the screen |
| 20:51.52 | ljp | and its dry dry dry |
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| 20:52.15 | chouimat | ulyx: weather CYQB |
| 20:52.15 | ulyx | 54 minutes ago, on Sun Jan 26 20:00:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the West at CYQB. The temperature was -6 degrees Celsius (21 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1013 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 100.0%. There were broken clouds at a height of 366 meters (1200 feet) and overcast clouds at a height of 671 meters (2200 feet). |
| 20:52.16 | ulyx | Current weather is Light Snow . |
| 20:52.47 | ljp | hey ! we have dev@linuxarm.helixcommunity.org list! |
| 20:52.58 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:52.58 | ljp | where do I find weather stations? |
| 20:53.15 | ljp | ulyx: weather KRUD |
| 20:53.16 | ulyx | couldn't find weather data for KRUD |
| 20:53.17 | chouimat | ulyx: help weather |
| 20:53.18 | ulyx | weather <ICAO> => display the current weather at the location specified by the ICAO code [Lookup your ICAO code at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/siteloc.shtml] - this will also store the ICAO against your nick, so you can later just say "weather", weather => display the current weather at the location you last asked for |
| 20:54.17 | ljp | ulyx: weather KBJC |
| 20:54.18 | ulyx | 36 minutes ago, on Sun Jan 26 20:20:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 7.72 meters per second (17.26 miles per hour) from the West at KBJC. The temperature was 15 degrees Celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1019 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 16.8%. There were a few clouds at a height of 1829 meters (6000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 5486 meters (18000 feet). |
| 20:54.27 | ljp | :D |
| 20:54.32 | kergoth | 59? nice |
| 20:54.36 | ljp | yup |
| 20:54.40 | kergoth | you sould be running around in shorts or something |
| 20:54.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:54.46 | ljp | I have doors and windows open |
| 20:54.57 | Dessimat0r | the 'OK' box is missing on the settings dialog, use 'tab' to get to it, hehe |
| 20:55.15 | Dessimat0r | hrm |
| 20:55.21 | Dessimat0r | thats not the only problem |
| 20:55.26 | kergoth | ulyx: weather KMSP |
| 20:55.27 | ulyx | 1 hours, 5 minutes ago, on Sun Jan 26 19:53:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the Northwest at KMSP. The temperature was -16.1 degrees Celsius (15.9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1033 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 50.9%. The sky was clear. |
| 20:55.41 | kergoth | ulyx: weather KANE |
| 20:55.44 | ulyx | 1 hours, 3 minutes ago, on Sun Jan 26 19:55:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the West at KANE. The temperature was -17 degrees Celsius (1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1032 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 59.5%. The sky was clear. |
| 20:56.17 | ljp | 1? |
| 20:56.36 | ljp | so you could be running around in shorts or something? |
| 20:56.45 | kergoth | ljp: holger replied to my on teh fly rotation email on the dev list, saying 'finally your into coding again :)' |
| 20:56.46 | ljp | :) |
| 20:56.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57.36 | ljp | did yousay you were just burnt out from kernel code? |
| 20:57.37 | chouimat | kergoth: even script to add packages in the buildtree |
| 20:58.18 | kergoth | chouimat: nice |
| 20:59.48 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, tinykate teakes ages to startup ;) |
| 20:59.54 | Dessimat0r | *takes |
| 20:59.57 | Dessimat0r | but at least its on there |
| 21:01.03 | kergoth | it depends on how many syntax files you have |
| 21:01.05 | kergoth | it slows startup |
| 21:01.12 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:01.23 | Dessimat0r | I'll remove some |
| 21:01.27 | Dessimat0r | don't need most |
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| 21:02.15 | ljp | hmm no new libmad for over a year |
| 21:02.34 | Dessimat0r | what does libmad do, anyway? |
| 21:03.21 | ljp | interger mp3 decoder |
| 21:03.26 | chouimat | kergoth: check your email |
| 21:03.30 | ljp | used in opieplayer1 |
| 21:03.50 | ljp | I am going to look at for inspiration |
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| 21:06.18 | kergoth | chouimat: eek, spec files! |
| 21:06.22 | kergoth | chouimat: ;) |
| 21:06.37 | chouimat | kergoth: I know but I begining to understand it |
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| 21:08.01 | chouimat | kergoth: that one is more readable than some obscure make file :) |
| 21:08.12 | kergoth | personally i dont think any of the existing packaging system's are sufficient to our build needs |
| 21:08.40 | kergoth | rpm, deb, etc.. |
| 21:09.29 | sm | ibot: ipkg-build |
| 21:09.30 | | it has been said that ipkg-build is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 21:09.55 | chouimat | kergoth: they use specs file for describing what to do |
| 21:10.14 | sm | does ipkg-build conjur me up tar or ar files? |
| 21:10.20 | kergoth | sm: either. |
| 21:10.29 | sm | which is preferable? |
| 21:10.33 | kergoth | sm: ipkg-build defaults to ar, ipkgbuild -c creates a class format, tar |
| 21:10.35 | kergoth | ar is preferable |
| 21:10.41 | sm | kergoth: ok thanks |
| 21:10.43 | kergoth | unless you want to be able to install it into the sharp rom |
| 21:10.47 | kergoth | which has an ancient ipkg |
| 21:10.47 | sm | not really |
| 21:10.57 | kergoth | tar.gz within tar.gz wastes cpu cycles |
| 21:11.07 | kergoth | tar.gz within ar removes the needless double compression |
| 21:11.16 | sm | I see |
| 21:11.35 | Dessimat0r | gah! the font keeps reverting in TinyKate |
| 21:11.44 | Dessimat0r | after setting it |
| 21:12.00 | Dessimat0r | it goes to what I want, but when I load a new file in, it goes to the old one |
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| 21:14.26 | chouimat | kergoth: I think I have a little idea for the build system, I will but the uclibc rom on hold and I will write something this week |
| 21:14.37 | kergoth | k |
| 21:14.56 | chouimat | kergoth: qplus and ecos just gave me an idea |
| 21:15.08 | Dessimat0r | does the new compiler make exes faster than the previous one? |
| 21:15.13 | Dessimat0r | as well as smaller |
| 21:15.16 | kergoth | 'new compiler' |
| 21:15.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:15.43 | Dessimat0r | dunno, sometihng was said about exes being made smaller |
| 21:15.46 | Dessimat0r | *something |
| 21:15.51 | Dessimat0r | yesterday |
| 21:16.05 | kergoth | its uclibc, not a compiler. adn ti affects size. performance isnt going to be much different |
| 21:16.10 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:16.20 | kergoth | and you lose binary compatibility. no existing app on zsi will work. |
| 21:16.46 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:17.08 | Dessimat0r | does uclibc require GCC 3.2? |
| 21:17.14 | kergoth | no |
| 21:17.46 | HighNo | gosh, ncurses-term installs *forever* |
| 21:17.48 | Dessimat0r | you may as well put it in there, if you lose binary compatability, then programs will also be recompiled with that |
| 21:18.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:18.02 | kergoth | we arent switching to uclibc on the main rom |
| 21:18.07 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:18.08 | Dessimat0r | i see |
| 21:18.11 | kergoth | we're adding it for use on other devices with very low amounts of flash |
| 21:18.15 | kergoth | or as an _alternateive_ rom for the Z |
| 21:18.18 | kergoth | alternative |
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| 21:22.55 | Dessimat0r | how come in System Info, Opie has the OpenZaurus mascot? ;) |
| 21:23.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:23.29 | ljp | thats not the oz mascot. thats opiezilla |
| 21:23.30 | kergoth | um |
| 21:23.32 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:23.33 | ljp | :D |
| 21:23.37 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 21:23.38 | kergoth | pingizauru has been both oz and opie's logo from the beginning |
| 21:23.50 | Dessimat0r | I see, hehe |
| 21:24.14 | ljp | maybe I should change that icon to opiezilla in the blue bubble |
| 21:27.50 | gaurdian | kergoth , when I install rc2, how do I remove apps I dont want, like the calandar ? |
| 21:27.52 | gaurdian | because I have the Kompany replacement |
| 21:29.39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:29.45 | kergoth | you cnat fast load tinykate |
| 21:30.15 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:30.27 | kergoth | and ofileselector segfaults tinykate if $HOME/Documents doesnt exist |
| 21:30.29 | HighNo | the developer of aqpkg is here? |
| 21:31.36 | lsmith | doesnt look like it HighNo |
| 21:31.52 | HighNo | since i just install ncurses-term, i would appreciate the following: log all output of ipkg to a file an show only last 100 lines in listbox |
| 21:32.06 | kergoth | why? |
| 21:32.09 | HighNo | it takes almost hours to install this package |
| 21:32.19 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:32.26 | kergoth | waht does that hav to do with the listbox? |
| 21:32.42 | kergoth | flash is slow, and that package includes a _shitload_ of files |
| 21:32.42 | HighNo | i meant the textbox that displays the ipkg-output |
| 21:32.51 | kergoth | yeah, what about the textbox? |
| 21:33.03 | kergoth | want to bet it'd be slow installing from cmdline too? |
| 21:33.14 | HighNo | it's VERY slow, since it displays 500+lines atm |
| 21:33.24 | HighNo | adding a new line to it takes almost a second now |
| 21:33.41 | kergoth | so try it from the commandline. |
| 21:33.48 | HighNo | too late :) |
| 21:34.01 | kergoth | well you're just pulling conjectures out of your ass |
| 21:34.06 | kergoth | you have no idea if the slowness is ipkg or aqpkg |
| 21:34.18 | HighNo | ok, i see |
| 21:34.28 | lsmith | HighNo: you can alway remove |
| 21:34.33 | lsmith | and install again |
| 21:34.44 | HighNo | will check those things late |
| 21:34.45 | HighNo | r |
| 21:35.49 | HighNo | my mc doesnt work and what strace tells me it tries to open one of those files from that package... just one... grrr |
| 21:36.08 | HighNo | oh, kergoth: it is definitly the textbox that is slow |
| 21:36.26 | HighNo | since ipkg now installs the next packages |
| 21:36.41 | HighNo | but the display of messages is about 1s per line still |
| 21:36.55 | kergoth | then report it in the bug tracking system |
| 21:37.01 | HighNo | ok |
| 21:39.05 | chouimat | bbl |
| 21:50.41 | ||ugh | Anyone out there have a working linphone on there big (non Z) box want to try some VoIP with me? |
| 22:04.37 | sm | I find it odd that in the network settings app you go into 'information' to start and stop the interface |
| 22:05.02 | sm | 'information' smacks a bit of read-onlyness to me |
| 22:06.05 | TheMasterMind1 | aha, i got it |
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| 22:11.36 | chouimat | ulyx: seen kergoth |
| 22:11.36 | ulyx | kergoth was last seen 34 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying then report it in the bug tracking system |
| 22:16.06 | Dessimat0r | HighNo: I get this sometimes also |
| 22:16.16 | Dessimat0r | HighNo: When installing many packages at a time |
| 22:16.51 | Dessimat0r | HighNo: I'd say there was a memory leak somewhere, or something, although its sort of like an instant slowdown to crawl-speed |
| 22:17.03 | Dessimat0r | not a gradual thing |
| 22:21.35 | sm | Dessimat0r: are you referring to the jffs2 issue described at http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=86 |
| 22:21.46 | kergoth | yep. ofileselector crashes when textedit or tinykate try to use it when the dir in question doesnt exist |
| 22:21.54 | kergoth | gueess somebody forgot a QDir::exists() |
| 22:22.05 | ljp | not i |
| 22:22.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:22.21 | ljp | probably a build meister |
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| 22:22.32 | kergoth | build meister? |
| 22:22.38 | ljp | heh you |
| 22:22.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22.49 | chouimat | kergoth: buildmaster |
| 22:22.59 | ljp | meister |
| 22:23.15 | kergoth | whats with the naming convention, m_* are what, globals? static class vars? |
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| 22:23.30 | kergoth | ah |
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| 22:23.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24.10 | Lazerdye | Hi all. I am havinh a problem with suspending the Zaurus using OZ3.1 rc2. |
| 22:24.43 | Lazerdye | It seems to ignore when I hold down On/Off and then suspends at random times. |
| 22:24.48 | chouimat | kergoth: qplus translate the qpd 2 cml2 |
| 22:27.12 | Lazerdye | t |
| 22:29.38 | kergoth | I havent heard any reports of suspend problems |
| 22:29.41 | kergoth | mine works flawlessly |
| 22:29.48 | kergoth | you are holding it down long enough right? |
| 22:29.56 | kergoth | and does it suspend if you suspend from the O menu? |
| 22:30.22 | Lazerdye | I can hold iy down for over 10 secs and nothing seems to happen. |
| 22:30.47 | Lazerdye | When I use the suspend from the O menu nothing happens for about 20 seconds and then it suspends. |
| 22:31.10 | kergoth | so theres a 20 second delay after apm -suspend is issued on your unit |
| 22:31.21 | kergoth | so there will be a 20 second delay after opie catches the cacnel button holddown |
| 22:31.56 | Lazerdye | I am not convinced the cancel button ever causes a suspend, I can try some combinations. |
| 22:32.24 | kergoth | well it does on everyone elses Z. |
| 22:32.28 | kergoth | just not yours. |
| 22:32.31 | Lazerdye | :) |
| 22:32.32 | kergoth | What unit is this? what model? |
| 22:33.11 | Lazerdye | Okay, its hearing the cancel button, I think the pause is more like 60 seconds from apm -suspend. |
| 22:33.13 | kergoth | and does the cancel button work in general? it functions as escape, and causes a cancel in dialogs? |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:33.32 | Lazerdye | This is a SL-5500 |
| 22:33.45 | kergoth | odd, i removed the biggest hindrance that caused a large delay in the apm daemon |
| 22:33.54 | kergoth | see the problem is, the apm implementation in the Z kernel is crap |
| 22:33.56 | kergoth | and flawed |
| 22:34.06 | kergoth | and if we do this the way we should, it causes the unit to never wake up |
| 22:34.09 | kergoth | so we have to hack around it |
| 22:34.11 | kergoth | which causes a delay |
| 22:34.43 | kergoth | this is one of the many issues that will implicitly go away when we switch to a kernel that isnt ancient |
| 22:35.12 | Lazerdye | I am looking forward to 2.4.20, but also anxious about SD supprt. |
| 22:35.31 | kergoth | we all are. |
| 22:35.40 | kergoth | there will be support. its just a matter of how long it'll take. |
| 22:35.46 | Lazerdye | I might try re-flashing, I dont remember having this problem when I first installed rc2. |
| 22:35.52 | chouimat | kergoth: beside being rpm based qplus is fun to work with |
| 22:36.18 | kergoth | chouimat: cool. how much work would be invovled to remove some of its limitations? |
| 22:36.20 | Lazerdye | Or maybe full reboot, I did not try that. |
| 22:38.08 | chouimat | kergoth: give me a week. It use the rpm to generate a qpd (kind of spec file) and then it create cml2 definition |
| 22:38.45 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:39.37 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe we can design a "kind of spec file" that would replace everything we actually use |
| 22:39.59 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:40.14 | kergoth | or use a database to contain that information in a central package information repository, that it pulls from |
| 22:41.00 | chouimat | kergoth: we must also keep in mind that people may not be online when they build the system |
| 22:41.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:41.31 | kergoth | so we'd need a way to mirror the upstream source of information |
| 22:41.33 | HighNo | i had a similar problem on oz3.1rc1 |
| 22:41.37 | kergoth | wouldnt be much to it |
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| 22:41.57 | HighNo | my delay on suspend became larger day by day |
| 22:41.59 | chouimat | kergoth: current limitation beside being rpm based, every package must be downloaded |
| 22:42.16 | kergoth | chouimat: ah |
| 22:42.44 | Lazerdye | Let me do a full reboot and see if the delay goes away. |
| 22:42.51 | Lazerdye | Ill be right back. |
| 22:42.55 | kergoth | chouimat: does it use a staging area to deal with crosscompilation dependencies? |
| 22:43.11 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:43.19 | chouimat | kergoth: and since it's written in python, it won;t be hard to modify |
| 22:43.19 | HighNo | there was the problem that some apm-process kept running and opiealarm also, a third task to make it complete. Those three tasks were kind of stuck and reappeard every suspend, so after 20 suspends i had 60 tasks running |
| 22:43.45 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:43.47 | HighNo | i had good results in "killall opiealarm" |
| 22:43.51 | kergoth | apmd should always be running |
| 22:43.55 | kergoth | and without opiealarm, your alarms wont work |
| 22:43.56 | HighNo | not the apmd |
| 22:43.59 | kergoth | nor will hwclock |
| 22:44.08 | kergoth | that is, rtc-swclock sync on suspend |
| 22:44.09 | HighNo | it was some other tast having apm in its name |
| 22:44.22 | kergoth | opieatd? |
| 22:44.23 | kergoth | opiealarm? |
| 22:44.31 | HighNo | opiealarm was there for sure |
| 22:44.33 | kergoth | there is no other task with apm in its name, other than apm and apmd |
| 22:44.38 | HighNo | hm |
| 22:45.10 | HighNo | ok, i didnt keep those names in mind except opiealarm |
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| 22:45.23 | HighNo | three tasks one of those were opiealarm |
| 22:45.25 | Lazerdye | Yes, the delay goes away when I reboot. |
| 22:45.51 | HighNo | Lazerdye: if it does come back, try ps ax on console |
| 22:46.02 | HighNo | i guess there are some opiealarms running |
| 22:46.21 | kergoth | okay good, the tinykate segfualts if /root/Documents doesnt exist bug is fixed |
| 22:46.26 | kergoth | now to look at its oddities regarding syntax |
| 22:46.34 | Lazerdye | HighNo: Okay, I never defined any alarms to go off, but I will check nextt time. |
| 22:46.58 | kergoth | Lazerdye: opiealarm always runs, regardless of whether you have alarms set. |
| 22:47.44 | HighNo | yes kergoth, but i am sure it ought to run only one process |
| 22:47.51 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:48.02 | kergoth | go read the fucking code, then start making statements |
| 22:48.10 | kergoth | until then, dont waste my time |
| 22:48.13 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: do you know what device the zaurus serial port is? |
| 22:48.19 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 22:48.21 | HighNo | when my delay problem was there, i had opiealarm about 20 times running |
| 22:48.27 | kergoth | HighNo: yes, you said that already |
| 22:48.30 | kergoth | HighNo: what about it? |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | i heard you the first time |
| 22:49.17 | HighNo | i'm sorry to piss you off, never mind |
| 22:50.49 | ljp | br its getting cold and cloudy |
| 22:51.10 | ljp | ulyx weather KBJC |
| 22:51.12 | ulyx | 1 hours, 6 minutes ago, on Sun Jan 26 21:47:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 10.29 meters per second (23.02 miles per hour) from the West at KBJC. The temperature was 14 degrees Celsius (57 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1019 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 19.4%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 1829 meters (6000 feet), broken clouds at a height of 3658 meter |
| 22:51.12 | ulyx | (12000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 6096 meters (20000 feet). |
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| 22:52.27 | kergoth | hah, looks like they were going to cache the syntax entries in the tinykate Config, but its commented out |
| 22:52.30 | kergoth | wonder why |
| 22:52.42 | ljp | dunno |
| 22:52.57 | KeyserSoze | ah, found the broblem. my Z's serial cable and a db9 gender changer don't work, i need to stick a null-modem cable in the mix, too. |
| 22:53.13 | kergoth | depends on what you're talking to |
| 22:53.27 | kergoth | the Z serial cable is a crossover in and of itself.. sharps is anyway. so to talk to a modem, you definately need a null |
| 22:54.28 | KeyserSoze | i've got a serialio cable, but it must be the same way |
| 22:54.40 | kergoth | yeah, probably |
| 22:54.47 | KeyserSoze | it's nice that it lets me open the keyboard, though, i hear the sharp cable doesn't |
| 22:54.51 | kergoth | they do that so you can connect it directly to a PC without any adapters |
| 22:54.53 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:54.59 | kergoth | the sharp one blocks it, drives me nuts |
| 22:55.18 | ljp | take off the keyboard cover |
| 22:55.27 | kergoth | i'd rather hack the cable |
| 22:55.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:55.41 | kergoth | you know, tinykate would rock even more without microkde |
| 22:55.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:56.01 | kergoth | is jowenn MIA? or still around? |
| 22:56.17 | kergoth | ibot: seen jowenn |
| 22:56.18 | | jowenn <~jowenn@chello080109234144.wrn.surfer.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 3d 1h 51m 44s ago, saying: 'cu later'. |
| 22:56.22 | ljp | is showed up a few times last week or so for a bit |
| 22:56.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:57.14 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: ping |
| 22:58.02 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 22:58.16 | kergoth | chouimat: ? |
| 22:58.49 | chouimat | kergoth: too much to do for tomorrow |
| 22:59.04 | Lazerdye | Bye all, thanks. |
| 23:00.03 | chouimat | ulyx: lart everything |
| 23:03.10 | ljp | wow, thats intense |
| 23:03.41 | sm | ulyx: lart everything a bit less |
| 23:03.52 | sm | hrm |
| 23:05.51 | chouimat | ulyx: lart sm |
| 23:06.31 | sm | woot! I always wanted to do that |
| 23:06.51 | sm | not |
| 23:07.35 | ljp | how about dirty dancing at the local senior center? |
| 23:07.51 | chouimat | ulyx: lart ljp |
| 23:08.06 | sm | shudder |
| 23:08.33 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: the save of the current font is defined out for some reason (#if 0 .. #endif) |
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| 23:16.26 | TheMasterMind1 | does the superbowl come on satellite? |
| 23:16.57 | ljp | dunno. dont watch that |
| 23:17.26 | TheMasterMind1 | if it doesn't, i won't watch it. then again, if it does, i wont' watch it either. |
| 23:17.52 | ljp | probably on satellite |
| 23:17.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:18.04 | kergoth | its ambiguous? |
| 23:18.18 | ljp | :) |
| 23:18.27 | kergoth | wtf does that mean? :) |
| 23:18.52 | ljp | ambiguous? |
| 23:19.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:19.04 | kergoth | ibot: dict ambiguous |
| 23:19.05 | ljp | whats the code |
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| 23:19.28 | kergoth | its not organized in conventional patterns i take it |
| 23:19.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:19.39 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:19.49 | kergoth | ibot: botsnack |
| 23:19.49 | | thanks kergoth :) |
| 23:20.00 | ljp | ibot die |
| 23:20.01 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 23:20.11 | kergoth | ibot: pester ljp |
| 23:20.12 | | ljp: PESTER PESTER PESTER! |
| 23:20.20 | sm | ibot: line dance |
| 23:20.20 | | i haven't a clue, sm |
| 23:23.09 | kergoth | oh |
| 23:23.10 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:23.46 | kergoth | ljp: need to convert it from KConfig to Config.. the KConfig in microkde is crap, 90% of the functions arent implemented :) |
| 23:24.25 | ljp | oohhh, youre working on tinykate |
| 23:24.29 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:24.38 | ljp | ya, font handling needs fixed also |
| 23:24.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:24.56 | kergoth | dialog sizes.. you cant even see the OK on the settings box |
| 23:24.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:26.02 | mickeyl | microkde is a 'compile it, bitch!' fake - it doesn't come even close to a port. |
| 23:26.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: yeah, I noticed.. that sucks |
| 23:26.15 | mickeyl | just because he was too lazy to rename functions :-D |
| 23:27.04 | mickeyl | just noticed that groucho did a good split of the syntax-highlighting patterns... nice. |
| 23:27.12 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:27.19 | kergoth | i got annoyed at how fucking slow it takes to boot tinykate atm |
| 23:27.23 | kergoth | when those are installed |
| 23:27.34 | mickeyl | kergoth: why? does it load all in memory ? |
| 23:27.44 | kergoth | looking into it now |
| 23:27.46 | Dessimat0r | it should only load them when they are selected |
| 23:27.52 | kergoth | first, it parses all the xml files every damn start |
| 23:27.52 | Dessimat0r | instead of on startup |
| 23:28.16 | kergoth | it was going to cache the name/filenames etc in Config, but its not converted to Config yet, its on KConfig which is useless |
| 23:28.21 | mickeyl | mickeyl: cool. hmm... how does it parse them anyway? "our" qt-config doesn't have the xml classes included |
| 23:28.28 | mickeyl | s/mickeyl/kergoth |
| 23:28.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: it uses libopie's xmltree |
| 23:28.40 | kergoth | mickeyl: jowenn did make it use that |
| 23:28.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah. |
| 23:29.18 | kergoth | should ditch the use of KDialogBase as well, its that class which is way sized wrong |
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| 23:29.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: i hope that when we do the switch to qt3 and becoming binary incompatible to the sharp rom anyway, we're using a more thought-out qconfig.h... |
| 23:29.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: agreed |
| 23:29.58 | kergoth | i hate reading code with 2 space indentation |
| 23:30.18 | mickeyl | hehe... damn clumsy... |
| 23:30.26 | kergoth | give me 4 at least.. |
| 23:30.36 | kergoth | then the eye is drawn better |
| 23:30.59 | kergoth | but then, i'm used to linux kernel code |
| 23:31.07 | kergoth | which is basically k&r, standard tab or 8 space indent |
| 23:31.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: i found 8 too much |
| 23:31.17 | ljp | I prefer 18 |
| 23:31.22 | ljp | not |
| 23:31.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: especially when you're limiting yourself to 78 chars per line... that's ridicolous |
| 23:31.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:31.43 | kergoth | cant exactly get very deep |
| 23:31.58 | kergoth | but then, if you're that deep, you could probably use a redesign of the code in question. |
| 23:32.00 | kergoth | ;) |
| 23:32.24 | mickeyl | true that... however i like to use selfExplainingVariables and then.... :-D |
| 23:32.26 | Dessimat0r | i prefer 2 |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:32.41 | kergoth | I used to prefer 2 |
| 23:32.42 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 23:32.45 | ljp | i number my variable |
| 23:32.47 | kergoth | but that was in my perl code |
| 23:32.49 | Dessimat0r | I used to prefer 7 |
| 23:32.51 | kergoth | which is scary enough already |
| 23:32.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:33.10 | ljp | QString s1 |
| 23:33.13 | ljp | heh |
| 23:33.19 | Dessimat0r | hehe, Delphi 7 had a default of 2, so I kind of got used to that ;) |
| 23:33.27 | Dessimat0r | The lesser Delphis have 7 spaces |
| 23:33.38 | mickeyl | ljp: to bad a numerical alone isn't a legal identifier, eh? :-D |
| 23:33.45 | mickeyl | s/to/too |
| 23:33.59 | ljp | :) |
| 23:34.17 | ljp | or symbol QString ^; |
| 23:34.21 | mickeyl | haha |
| 23:34.22 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:34.30 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:34.58 | kergoth | for(^=0; ^<$; ^++) |
| 23:35.27 | ljp | you could write some really unreadable code |
| 23:36.33 | mickeyl | you can write code looking like smileys then... now this would be fun |
| 23:36.38 | mickeyl | :-)++ |
| 23:36.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:37.02 | Dessimat0r | for(<^ ^<) |
| 23:37.15 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:37.34 | Dessimat0r | for(<^;;^<) |
| 23:51.26 | chouimat | ulyx: lart Dessimat0r |
| 23:51.36 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:51.45 | chouimat | kergoth: ouch |
| 23:54.07 | chouimat | kergoth: the difference between a mouse and a human is 300 genes |
| 23:58.30 | ||ugh | No wonder Levi's is hurting these days... |
| 23:59.31 | chouimat | huh? |