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00:39.53 | prpplague^2 | anyone awake? |
00:40.17 | prpplague^2 | for any of you in the dfw area, i'm starting to sell of my stuff |
00:40.47 | prpplague^2 | got a nice couch and love seat, washer and dry, 3 tv's |
00:41.00 | prpplague^2 | got a pc with lcd and printer/scanner unit |
00:41.06 | prpplague^2 | and lots of misc electonics |
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02:25.27 | TimRiker | prpplague: so when are we getting together for lunch? |
03:04.22 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe |
03:04.33 | prpplague | TimRiker: after i get donna and the critters gone |
03:04.48 | prpplague | TimRiker: been going through my stuff |
03:05.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: i have to part with someof my electronics :( |
03:52.57 | TimRiker | I can imagine. setup a booth at first saturday. ;-) |
03:55.15 | prpplague | hehe |
03:55.33 | prpplague | TimRiker: haven't been there in years |
03:56.23 | Wingnut | prpplague: I'm sure the UTD Linux Users Group would probably help take some of the computers off your hands... |
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14:19.31 | a-atwood | morning |
14:38.32 | prpplague | a-atwood: morning |
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15:33.55 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
15:34.06 | mindfunk | ? |
15:34.12 | prpplague | got a nice pc for sale if anyone is interested |
15:34.14 | mindfunk | have you put in notice yet? |
15:34.19 | prpplague | not yet |
15:34.23 | mindfunk | interested... |
15:34.27 | mindfunk | what are the specs |
15:34.27 | prpplague | not till around the end of march |
15:34.27 | mindfunk | ? |
15:34.33 | mindfunk | ah... right |
15:35.29 | prpplague | 1.6celeron, 256mb ram, nic, pvr-250, dvd writer, cd writer, 80gb hd, epson scaner/printer combo, 17" lcd , keyboard+mouse |
15:35.51 | mindfunk | how much? |
15:36.05 | mindfunk | you build it yourself? |
15:37.27 | prpplague | yea, about 18 months ago |
15:37.37 | prpplague | was thinking $400.00 |
15:44.33 | a-atwood | prpplague: sound like a good deal. But I have 3 computers stacked in my office hallway I don't have room for now..... |
15:44.44 | prpplague | hehe |
15:44.53 | prpplague | well if you know anyone let me know |
15:45.17 | prpplague | i need to get rid of it soon as i will have nowhere to put it |
15:47.46 | prpplague | a-atwood: oh and if you know any linux coders looking for a job, let me know |
15:49.35 | prpplague | a-atwood: yea, well, this job really needs a CM |
15:49.39 | mindfunk | prpplague: I'll think about it and let ya know... |
15:49.53 | prpplague | a-atwood: i've been trying to clean up, but CM isn't really my specialty |
15:50.06 | prpplague | mindfunk: about the job or the pc? |
15:50.39 | mindfunk | prpplague: well, I was talking about the pc... but ... yeah... I'd be interested in the job too |
15:50.56 | prpplague | mindfunk: oh ok |
15:51.11 | prpplague | and..... |
15:51.18 | prpplague | i have a bunch of electronics |
15:51.34 | mindfunk | yeah... I'm interested... |
15:51.36 | prpplague | i guess i'll give them away as long as i'm sure who gets them will use them |
15:51.47 | prpplague | i have three tv's |
15:51.52 | mindfunk | you should set up a table at 1st sat... |
15:51.59 | prpplague | two large ones and one small one |
15:52.11 | mindfunk | hm... hd? |
15:52.12 | prpplague | not really enough to make it worth while to do that |
15:52.20 | mindfunk | ok |
15:52.39 | prpplague | i think one is 24" and the other 27" |
15:52.42 | prpplague | cheap models |
15:52.55 | prpplague | also have a couch and love seat |
15:53.09 | prpplague | lots of misc furniture |
15:53.13 | mindfunk | nah... don't really need the tv's |
15:53.57 | mindfunk | I don't need furniture atm... |
15:54.21 | prpplague | well if you know anyone, gotta get it all sold asap |
15:57.19 | prpplague | hehe |
16:00.24 | mindfunk | ~dict devoid |
16:09.43 | prpplague | mindfunk / a-atwood would be a lot easier to sell this stuff if i knew ppl here, hehe |
16:10.27 | prpplague | a-atwood: you might think about sending me a resume, i think a person with CM experience is probably needed more than a coder right now |
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16:14.28 | mindfunk | hola |
16:15.09 | loki1228 | mindfunk: 'morning |
16:15.11 | prpplague | loki1228: complete estate sale going on, need anything? |
16:15.14 | prpplague | hehe |
16:15.28 | loki1228 | prpplague: only if it's for free ;) |
16:15.44 | prpplague | hehe, nope not free |
16:15.56 | prpplague | excpet maybe some electronics hardware |
16:16.08 | loki1228 | like what? |
16:17.00 | prpplague | some ic's, caps, resistors, lcd panels, misc keyboard/keypads, power supplies, power cords |
16:17.03 | prpplague | stuff like that |
16:17.14 | mindfunk | loki1228: mebbe on friday, the linux-ptr team cap make a trip to prpplague's house... |
16:17.20 | mindfunk | prpplague: ^^ |
16:17.26 | mindfunk | Wingnut: ^^ |
16:17.29 | prpplague | linux-ptr? |
16:17.49 | mindfunk | that the group where most of the scavengers work |
16:18.04 | prpplague | oh, at TI |
16:18.09 | loki1228 | mindfunk: sounds good, I bet Wingnut wouldnt have a problem taking a lot of that stuff off of prpplague's hands |
16:18.23 | mindfunk | right.... tsowell as well |
16:18.44 | mindfunk | this will have to be after work... |
16:18.54 | mindfunk | prpplague: you live in euless, right? |
16:19.09 | prpplague | mindfunk: naw, watauga |
16:19.46 | mindfunk | is friday ok? if so, what time? |
16:20.30 | prpplague | mindfunk: uh, let me check the schedule of things this evening |
16:20.39 | mindfunk | ok |
16:21.07 | prpplague | mindfunk: i have the parts in some of those tall plastic drawer boxes, you want those too? |
16:21.25 | mindfunk | um... storage is always good |
16:28.24 | prpplague | mindfunk: i'll go through the stuff, and get it organized for the stuff i want to get rid of |
16:28.40 | prpplague | argh, i have ECN meetings all afternoon |
16:34.06 | prpplague | a-atwood: hehe, i could use some time with a professional CM to learn some tricks |
16:39.12 | Wingnut | definately interested |
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16:42.30 | a-atwood | prpplague: will do. I don't have a copy here. |
16:47.29 | prpplague | a-atwood: np, you can email it to me when you get a chance |
17:05.20 | a-atwood | prpplague: uh, what is your address? |
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17:06.08 | prpplague | a-atwood: email or physical? |
17:07.10 | a-atwood | prpplague: email |
17:07.18 | prpplague | dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
17:07.26 | prpplague | glytch: yo! |
17:07.52 | prpplague | glytch: complete estate sale going on, need anything? |
17:11.12 | glytch | prpplague: what are you selling? |
17:11.15 | glytch | computers? |
17:11.17 | glytch | laptops ? (: |
17:11.52 | prpplague | 1.6celeron, 256mb ram, nic, pvr-250, dvd writer, cd writer, 80gb hd, epson scaner/printer combo, 17" lcd , keyboard+mouse |
17:12.18 | prpplague | all components linux compatible |
17:12.26 | glytch | no laptops? |
17:12.33 | prpplague | sorry no |
17:12.39 | mindfunk | prpplague: what brand is the lcd? |
17:12.40 | glytch | that the only computer? |
17:12.43 | prpplague | yea |
17:12.44 | mindfunk | glytch: lunch/ |
17:12.44 | glytch | yeah |
17:12.47 | mindfunk | glytch: lunch? |
17:12.55 | prpplague | mindfunk: nec iirc |
17:13.04 | mindfunk | how old? |
17:13.05 | glytch | prpplague: what's the resolution? |
17:13.09 | prpplague | mindfunk: lcd, keyboard, and mouse are black |
17:13.13 | glytch | mindfunk: stfu, he asked me about the lcd first (: |
17:13.19 | glytch | along with that computer up there |
17:14.00 | mindfunk | glytch: I asked him about the machine earlier... |
17:14.01 | prpplague | glytch: don't recal the specs but its pretty good, i run at 1024x768 |
17:14.24 | glytch | how much for that whole package? |
17:14.34 | mindfunk | glytch: I though you had an lcd... |
17:14.35 | glytch | anyone know of a visual studio 2003.net > makefile tool ? |
17:14.43 | glytch | mindfunk: my dad has it now |
17:14.46 | prpplague | glytch: $400.00 |
17:15.12 | glytch | prpplague: are you in dallas? |
17:15.22 | mindfunk | makefile tool? the older versions of VS used some form of MS-make |
17:16.25 | mindfunk | glytch: whataya wanna do for lunch |
17:16.27 | mindfunk | a-atwood: ^^ |
17:17.31 | prpplague | glytch: watauga |
17:17.41 | mindfunk | ~pester glytch |
17:17.43 | jbot | glytch: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
17:17.55 | glytch | im asking people here mindfunk |
17:20.20 | glytch | prpplague: you should have laptops for sale |
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17:22.06 | prpplague | hehe, gotta sell what i got, hehe |
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17:23.52 | glytch | mindfunk: we're deciding where to go |
17:24.13 | mindfunk | glytch: well descide then... |
17:24.21 | mindfunk | glytch: is a-atwood with you? |
17:24.23 | glytch | no |
17:24.29 | prpplague | gltch: hehe, gotta sell what i got, hehe |
17:24.29 | glytch | jim got acid reflux |
17:24.38 | glytch | prpplague: moving? |
17:24.47 | prpplague | glytch: uh yea, hehe, to barbados |
17:25.31 | glytch | neat |
17:25.36 | mindfunk | glytch: tell jim I can get him free protonix aciphex, and nexium if he has crappy/no insurance |
17:25.59 | mindfunk | for the reflux.... |
17:26.07 | glytch | k |
17:26.24 | prpplague | glytch: furniture, tv's, beds, kitchen stuff |
17:26.34 | mindfunk | prpplague: children? |
17:26.36 | mindfunk | ;) |
17:26.41 | prpplague | mindfunk: hehe |
17:26.46 | glytch | mindfunk: you want to buy another one? |
17:26.52 | mindfunk | noooooo |
17:27.06 | mindfunk | was wondering what the going prices are |
17:27.07 | prpplague | mindfunk: sorry, i'm upside down on them, never get the amount of money back i already have invested in them |
17:27.56 | mindfunk | I have a friend, a co-op at hp, whose father sends him bills for the cost of raising him |
17:28.03 | glytch | hahaha |
17:28.04 | glytch | really? |
17:28.06 | mindfunk | yeah |
17:28.11 | mindfunk | or so he claims |
17:28.44 | glytch | that's halarious |
17:29.00 | mindfunk | where are we going to eat? |
17:29.42 | glytch | wating for jim to finish showing this woman the crapintoshes |
17:30.32 | mindfunk | dude... macs are nice... pc's are shit hardware... if macs are crap, it's only because apple started integrating pc hw.... |
17:31.01 | glytch | if you spend the same money for pc hardware you'd get nice pc hardware (: |
17:31.22 | mindfunk | that's only resently.... |
17:31.30 | mindfunk | like, the last 2 years... |
17:31.41 | glytch | well.. that's now so.. |
17:31.53 | mindfunk | and the G5s will kick the crap out anything intel has to offer... |
17:32.10 | glytch | i don't have any proof for or against that argument. |
17:32.27 | mindfunk | um... check ALL of the performace benchmarks.... |
17:32.36 | glytch | i'd have to have two machines of the same price. one g5, another ...amd64 or something and see how it is for what i do |
17:32.45 | glytch | plus. mac os x has no maximize button |
17:33.01 | glytch | and it's window manager isn't aware that the doc exists most of the time |
17:33.03 | mindfunk | you don't have to run macos.... |
17:33.19 | mindfunk | ...just like you don't have to run windows |
17:33.31 | glytch | and those g5's don't matter either. |
17:33.32 | mindfunk | and macos kicks the crap out of windows |
17:33.35 | glytch | they don't have them in the laptops |
17:33.38 | glytch | i want a laptop |
17:34.04 | mindfunk | ...um... I thought the high end titaniums had them... |
17:34.10 | glytch | nope |
17:34.19 | mindfunk | they will be there soon... the same delay with intel hw |
17:34.21 | glytch | http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index15.html |
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17:34.44 | glytch | nah |
17:34.53 | glytch | you can already get the fastest intel/amd procs for the laptops |
17:34.55 | mindfunk | glytch: fyi, TIers get an apple discount |
17:34.57 | glytch | even pci express |
17:35.13 | glytch | mindfunk: mac os x's font rendering sucks ass |
17:35.16 | mindfunk | glytch: that isn't try... |
17:35.26 | glytch | lists don't jump to when you push a key... |
17:35.40 | mindfunk | glytch: again, you don't have to run macos... compare hw to hw, and sw to sw |
17:35.59 | glytch | i am |
17:36.02 | glytch | freetype rocks (: |
17:36.02 | mindfunk | again, macos kicks the shit out of windows |
17:36.46 | glytch | you even get less ports on a mac laptop compared to any other of comparable price |
17:37.03 | mindfunk | anyway... |
17:37.08 | mindfunk | I'm hungry... |
17:37.14 | mindfunk | where are we eating? |
17:37.43 | mindfunk | is it jim galu that has acid reflux? or the other jim? |
17:37.47 | glytch | galu |
17:37.53 | glytch | what was the medicine you could get? |
17:38.08 | mindfunk | he has insurance, so he can get his own meds... ;) |
17:38.22 | mindfunk | nexium, protonix, and aciphex |
17:38.38 | mindfunk | ... I can get anything that is specific to that problem |
17:38.51 | glytch | he's trying to avoid the medicine |
17:39.31 | mindfunk | he is a tier, so he has insurance. I try to safe the free meds for the people that don't and are poor |
17:39.39 | mindfunk | s/safe/save |
17:39.39 | glytch | http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/customized-price.cfm?ProductType=4750 |
17:39.48 | glytch | way more machine for the same price of a powerbook |
17:39.57 | glytch | np |
17:40.58 | glytch | even totally maxed out it's more for less |
17:41.09 | mindfunk | glytch: arg... where are we eating!?!?!? |
17:43.04 | glytch | mindfunk: i don't know ): |
17:43.08 | kergoth_ | re |
17:43.18 | mindfunk | how about... carmines? |
17:43.21 | kergoth_ | this week is just one presentation/meeting after another |
17:43.23 | kergoth_ | bleh |
17:43.49 | glytch | i don't like those days |
17:44.29 | glytch | mindfunk: subway? |
17:54.21 | mindfunk | glytch: not the subway on forrest lane... |
17:54.32 | glytch | it'll be a minute for us |
17:54.39 | mindfunk | how about schotsky's (sp?) |
17:54.44 | glytch | and we're just running to subway and back so... no real use in trying to coordinate it |
17:54.53 | glytch | unless you really want to say hi at subway |
17:54.54 | mindfunk | ok then... |
17:55.08 | mindfunk | no... we'll just do it another time |
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19:50.38 | mindfunk | TimRiker: ping |
19:59.58 | Crofton | anyone build 2.6 kernel from bitkeeper? |
20:04.25 | mindfunk | TimRiker: btw, we are going to "port" bzflag to the h4... |
20:04.44 | mindfunk | TimRiker: it is most likely going to be the 3d demo app |
20:30.32 | TimRiker | mindfunk: sweet! |
20:30.50 | TimRiker | when do I get one to test out? |
20:36.47 | mindfunk | TimRiker: prolly in a few weeks |
20:38.00 | mindfunk | ~quote scox |
20:38.12 | mindfunk | ~quote ibm |
20:39.03 | mindfunk | ~quote txn |
20:39.25 | mindfunk | TimRiker: you are prolly getting tired of me... who do I need to bug about ats again? |
20:39.48 | mindfunk | TimRiker: do you have access to an h4 board? |
20:45.57 | Crofton | ~quote RHAT |
20:46.26 | Crofton | thats nutz |
20:46.32 | mindfunk | ?? |
20:49.06 | Crofton | a bot that can check stock prices |
20:49.11 | Crofton | ~quote GE |
20:55.05 | mindfunk | TI's quality policy: don't get caught |
20:55.25 | mindfunk | jbot does a lot of things you wouldn't expect... |
20:55.48 | mindfunk | the mozwebtools bot looks in the bugzilla db... |
21:18.25 | Crofton | ok I can build 2.6 from bitkeeper |
21:18.36 | kergoth | ugh |
21:18.37 | kergoth | food coma |
21:26.39 | TimRiker | mindfunk: no h4. got osk's and an h2 |
21:26.50 | TimRiker | oh, and 1510 innovators |
21:27.07 | mindfunk | ok |
21:27.12 | TimRiker | Crofton: that's just the tip of the iceberg. |
21:27.25 | mindfunk | I'll let you know when the port is working |
21:27.39 | Crofton | what? building from bk? |
21:27.40 | TimRiker | jbot: change 22345.34 EUR to USD |
21:27.45 | Crofton | ah |
21:27.48 | mindfunk | you can come by and see it |
21:28.05 | TimRiker | mindfunk: cool. |
21:28.22 | mindfunk | won't be for a while yet, though |
21:28.32 | mindfunk | ~lart testquest |
21:28.37 | Crofton | I sure wish dollars weren't tunring into monoply money .... |
21:29.28 | mindfunk | Crofton: that's good for trade actually... if it falls more, it will help slow the job hemorrage... er hopefully |
21:29.40 | mindfunk | ~spell hemorage |
21:29.42 | jbot | possible spellings for hemorage: hemorrhage hermitage homage mirage homepage homager hemorrhaged hemorrhages |
21:29.54 | TimRiker | ~convert 120 kilometers/hour to miles/hour |
21:30.03 | TimRiker | ~convert 120 kilometers/hour to inches/second |
21:30.19 | Crofton | true, but when the chinese let their currency float vs the dollar, things will et weird |
21:30.20 | TimRiker | ~convert 120 kilometers/hour to parsecs/millenium |
21:30.27 | TimRiker | heh. |
21:30.50 | Crofton | ~convert 120 kilometers/hour to furlongs/fortnight |
21:31.04 | TimRiker | ~convert 120 kilometers/hour to parsecs/millennium |
21:31.16 | TimRiker | helps if I spell it right... |
21:31.23 | TimRiker | ~spell millenium |
21:31.24 | jbot | possible spellings for millenium: millennium millenniums millennium's millennial mullein selenium Mullen milling minim |
21:31.31 | mindfunk | Crofton: that form of weirdness would be good... iirc the chinese currency is undervalues |
21:31.34 | mindfunk | d |
21:32.44 | mindfunk | it would rise against the dollar... making chinese goods more expensive... decreasing the desire for companies to use chinese labor... |
21:32.52 | Crofton | I think I asked before, but anyone know a way to write DSP code for OMAP |
21:33.10 | Crofton | without extensive wallet opening |
21:36.32 | TimRiker | Crofton: the OSK includes commandline DSP compilers and example code. |
21:36.38 | TimRiker | ~osk |
21:36.39 | jbot | i heard osk is the OMAP5912 Starter Kit, a $299 development board with 32/32, serial, ethernet, usb host/client, CF, jtag, and expansion connectors available from http://www.spectrumdigital.com/cgi/catalog.cgi?show_product=701875 or http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pubwiki/moin.cgi/OSK, or http://www.ti.com/omap5912osk |
21:36.39 | Crofton | hmmm |
21:36.59 | Crofton | I guess I need to lok at the CD |
21:37.17 | Crofton | We immediately bailed on 2.4 kernel and made our own |
21:37.27 | Crofton | are they linux or widders compilers? |
21:37.28 | TimRiker | 2.4 or 2.6? |
21:37.35 | Crofton | 2.6 |
21:37.46 | TimRiker | the command line compiler and tools is linux only. |
21:37.57 | TimRiker | need to buy CCS to get the windows tools. |
21:37.59 | Crofton | for the DSP also? |
21:38.38 | Crofton | ah cool |
21:39.10 | TimRiker | gcc is there for arm/linux and the CCS compilers for dsp as linux binaries. |
21:39.17 | Crofton | we are trying to get the SCA running on the OMAP (some bloatware for software radio) |
21:39.35 | Crofton | yeah I grabbed the cross compiler from linux.omap.com |
21:40.19 | Crofton | Once we get it going, and figure out how to cut code sizes, we should have an interesting demo of something |
21:40.46 | TimRiker | I'll have uclibc images up soon. I've been updating the tux stuff. |
21:41.02 | Crofton | cool |
21:41.13 | TimRiker | kernel+jffs2 root including modules, usb. etc should be less than 2M of flash. |
21:41.40 | Crofton | do you know how to mount CF on 2.6? from list traffic there may be a problem |
21:41.55 | TimRiker | not tried yet, nope. |
21:42.00 | Crofton | ok |
21:42.18 | Crofton | we are running root over NFS for now |
21:43.03 | TimRiker | debian-arm over nfs is nice for development. |
21:43.26 | Crofton | I am hopeful we can put large shared libs on CF |
21:43.51 | Crofton | interesting thought |
21:44.09 | TimRiker | writeable CF is a Bad Thing in the field. |
21:44.22 | TimRiker | not power-fail safe. |
21:44.34 | Crofton | well, we are academics |
21:45.00 | Crofton | if it was something we sold for money, we would have professionals doing the work :) |
21:45.11 | kergoth | TimRiker: out of curiosity, do you know how well mmc handles power fail situations? |
21:45.14 | TimRiker | a rich uboot with tftp kernel and nfs debian root is real nice for development. |
21:45.48 | TimRiker | kergoth: same issues. one fail during a write can hose the entire card. |
21:45.56 | kergoth | figured |
21:45.58 | kergoth | thats unfortunate |
21:46.14 | TimRiker | note that both are file in read-only mode. |
21:46.30 | Crofton | does it wreck the card, or just the filesystem? |
21:46.37 | TimRiker | so if you only mount rw for infrequent config changes, you are likely ok. |
21:46.58 | TimRiker | Crofton: sometimes the fs, sometimes the whole card. |