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| 00:06.49 | CIA-2 | linux(-kexecboot): bump SRCREV for git recipe and decrease D_P a bit more |
| 00:06.49 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
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| 06:05.59 | CIA-2 | 03sledz <sledz@ba11ecae-741b-462f-8724-1218f99f5906> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc45b19daad 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux-2.6.24/hipox/defconfig: |
| 06:05.59 | CIA-2 | linux-2.6.24: enable DEBUG_FS and USB_MON for hipox machine |
| 06:05.59 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Steffen Sledz <sledz@dresearch.de> |
| 06:05.59 | CIA-2 | git-svn-id: https://svn.dresearch.de/repos/openembedded/branches/2010-02-24_initial@92 ba11ecae-741b-462f-8724-1218f99f5906 |
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| 06:51.34 | eFfeM_work | hm, would have expected that the unpack stage would already copy the patches to the workdir (but not apply them), is it a bug or a feature that this does not happen? |
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| 07:11.15 | JaMa | eFfeM_work: it works like this for me (I have them in ${WORKDIR} after -c unpack) |
| 07:11.45 | eFfeM_work | hm, just tried it for gcc-cross-intermediate and they were not there |
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| 07:12.25 | eFfeM_work | wanted to have them copied then quilt push them until I hit the one that needed a patch, now did -c patch and popped back |
| 07:12.32 | eFfeM_work | but was kinda surprised by this |
| 07:12.35 | eFfeM_work | will retry |
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| 07:25.03 | eFfeM_work | btw is there a way to force printing a message when a certain machine is used when baking things? for nios2 I would like to print a message where to find the actual cpu file |
| 07:25.27 | eFfeM_work | alternative is probably to have a readme or to add comment in the machine conf file |
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| 07:49.50 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:22.51 | florian | good morning |
| 08:27.35 | woglinde | hi florian |
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| 08:50.10 | CIA-2 | 03Robert Schuster <robertschuster@fsfe.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r748d27503b 10openembedded.git/recipes/llvm/llvm2.7_2.7.bb: llvm2.7 2.7: Split packages for each shared library. |
| 08:50.19 | woglinde | jo raster |
| 08:50.24 | CIA-2 | 03Robert Schuster <robertschuster@fsfe.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r3a0f681008 10openembedded.git/recipes/llvm/ (9 files in 3 dirs): llvm: Removed 2.5 and 2.6 and both native variants. |
| 08:50.25 | CIA-2 | 03Robert Schuster <robertschuster@fsfe.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r06be7fc026 10openembedded.git/recipes/llvm/ (llvm-native.inc llvm.inc llvm2.7_2.7.bb): llvm.inc: Moved packages dynamic stuff into the general llvm.inc file. |
| 08:59.47 | raster | woglinde: poop! |
| 09:15.48 | woglinde | hi mrmoku |
| 09:17.33 | mrmoku | hi woglinde |
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| 09:23.36 | CIA-2 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r723a7c8b21 10openembedded.git/recipes/xorg-driver/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:23.36 | CIA-2 | xf86-video-glamo: better patch for nonDRM kernels |
| 09:23.36 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
| 09:23.37 | CIA-2 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc2c6f15e59 10openembedded.git/recipes/xorg-xserver/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:23.37 | CIA-2 | xserver-xorg-1.8.99.903: update patch for freedesktop #28824 |
| 09:23.37 | CIA-2 | * https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28824 |
| 09:23.37 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
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| 09:36.51 | woglinde | hi gnutoo |
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| 09:39.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | woglinde, hi |
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| 10:52.16 | blindvt` | khem, ping? |
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| 11:03.06 | CIA-2 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r58cdf0ae06 10openembedded.git/recipes/openmoko-3rdparty/mcnavi_0.2.10.bb: |
| 11:03.06 | CIA-2 | mcnavi: add 0.2.10 |
| 11:03.06 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
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| 11:17.18 | CIA-2 | 03Robert Schuster <robertschuster@fsfe.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd5be18abe1 10openembedded.git/recipes/llvm/llvm2.7_2.7.bb: llvm2.7 2.7: Changed patch URL to new format. |
| 11:18.14 | Nikunj | Hi All, one doubt pls.. bitbake only uses Internet for downloading sources tars and zips. ?? and no other purpose!!? |
| 11:19.17 | thebohemian | Nikunj: and tinderbox if you have activated that |
| 11:20.09 | thebohemian | and its not bitbake which accesses the net to retrieve sources but the programs that are needed to fetch a particular URI (eg. a SVN, GIT or HG repository) |
| 11:21.22 | Nikunj | thebohemian: Thanks for the info, but if I want to restrict bitbake to use only whatever is present on the system ( the sources/ folder )and dnt look on the net..what can be done here then.? |
| 11:21.45 | Nikunj | thebohemian: and how bad is goin in this way.? |
| 11:22.16 | thebohemian | Nikunj: one way is to only run the tasks that fetch the sources once |
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| 11:22.37 | thebohemian | when that finishes the next run will not fetch any sources from the net |
| 11:22.58 | thebohemian | (provided you do not change the metadata in between, e.g. git pull) |
| 11:23.17 | JaMa | but will ask VCS servers for latest revs if ie AUTOREV is used in some recipe |
| 11:23.27 | mwester | (yuck) |
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| 11:24.42 | Nikunj | thebohemian: hmm..that means, If I unplug network cable and start bitbaking.. ( Assuming my sources/ folder has all needed tars and zips ) the chances that my run will be successful is as good as with network cable.? |
| 11:25.28 | thebohemian | Nikunj: I think so, yes |
| 11:25.57 | Nikunj | thebohemian : Thts great..!! :-) |
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| 11:56.47 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 11:57.08 | hrw | re |
| 11:57.35 | woglinde | hrw could you please ack the patches from stefan? |
| 11:57.39 | woglinde | for stable |
| 11:59.09 | hrw | will look |
| 12:00.02 | hrw | ecj acked - something more? |
| 12:01.06 | woglinde | hm |
| 12:01.15 | woglinde | damn |
| 12:01.20 | woglinde | gcc isnt complete yet |
| 12:01.24 | woglinde | will talk with stefan |
| 12:01.24 | blindvt` | khem, uclibc.org/~aldot/uClibc/nptl/ |
| 12:03.46 | CIA-2 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r52ebbfaf6c 10openembedded.git/recipes/jamvm/jamvm-initial_1.4.5.bb: jamvm-initial 1.4.5: fix dependencies, see http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/public/logs/task/6388490.txt |
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| 13:09.08 | CIA-2 | 03Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r40171e8aa6 10openembedded.git/recipes/libxsettings-client/ (4 files): |
| 13:09.08 | CIA-2 | libxsettings-client: switch to using INC_PR |
| 13:09.08 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
| 13:09.09 | CIA-2 | 03Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r23d51f646b 10openembedded.git/recipes/libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client.inc: |
| 13:09.09 | CIA-2 | libxsettings-client: use xsettings-common.h from libxsettings-dev |
| 13:09.09 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
| 13:09.11 | CIA-2 | 03Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * re90cf71fe6 10openembedded.git/recipes/xcb/ (xcb-proto.inc xcb-proto_1.6.bb): |
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| 13:16.20 | eFfeM_work | can I extend FILESPATHPKG based upon architecuture? e.g. FILESPATHPKG_nios2 += "glibc-2.5:files:" |
| 13:16.24 | eFfeM_work | ? |
| 13:20.03 | zecke | eFfeM_work: yes, but why? |
| 13:20.53 | eFfeM_work | zecke: just tested it, apparently it does not work, if I remove the _nios2 part it does work |
| 13:21.35 | eFfeM_work | zecke: nios2 needs some additional glibc patches for 2.5 but apparently all patches from 2.5 are taken from the glibc-2.4 dir |
| 13:22.04 | woglinde | effem use add |
| 13:22.40 | eFfeM_work | woglinde add? or append? FILESPATHPKG_add_nios2 ? |
| 13:23.15 | eFfeM_work | actually glib2.5 defines FILESDIR, doesn't seem to sue FILESPATHPKG |
| 13:23.30 | eFfeM_work | glibc |
| 13:23.41 | eFfeM_work | this is somewhat of a mess |
| 13:28.32 | eFfeM_work | anyway, got it going: FILESPATHPKG_nios2 = "glibc-2.5:glibc-2.4:files:" |
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| 13:29.04 | eFfeM_work | not the nicest solution but as people feel 2.5 should get its files from the 2.4 dir this seems the best I can do |
| 13:29.16 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:29.35 | woglinde | I think nobody really cared about this all |
| 13:29.41 | woglinde | and nobody cleaned it up |
| 13:30.14 | eFfeM_work | i coined it on the ML, did get some negative feedback :-( will paste url |
| 13:32.47 | woglinde | effem best would be nios could take a actual libc |
| 13:32.49 | eFfeM_work | actually it was not mailed as such, my original msg was in http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2010-June/020963.html |
| 13:32.53 | woglinde | an |
| 13:32.56 | woglinde | or uclibc |
| 13:33.19 | eFfeM_work | might be someone here mentioned that 2.5 referred to 2.4 to save some space |
| 13:33.32 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: I understand and share your feelings. This is on the todo list |
| 13:33.59 | eFfeM_work | basically there is a nios2 git and that one has 2.5; will try a later version at a later tiem |
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| 13:39.38 | eFfeM_work | (btw tried uclibc for nios2+mmu but that needed some work,might also peek at eglibc); want to upgrade binutils (and maybe gcc) first |
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| 13:44.13 | woglinde | effem a lot of work to do |
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| 13:46.55 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: yes; I'm already happy that I got the stuff building based upon standard releases i.s.o. windriver/csl stuff |
| 13:48.03 | eFfeM_work | latest binutils is probably mostly done |
| 13:48.31 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:49.00 | eFfeM_work | gcc will be a pain, might have chagnes to go to 4.2, but 4.4 still gave a lot of issues |
| 13:50.14 | woglinde | I hope you get paid well |
| 13:51.45 | eFfeM_work | hmm. that is not too bad but my boss is already happy if we have it runnign and is not too interested in moving to the latest gcc etc |
| 13:52.16 | eFfeM_work | learned a lot about gcc machine descriptions recently, trying to find out why things work on 32bit but not on 64bit |
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| 13:53.17 | woglinde | effem sure |
| 13:56.09 | eFfeM_work | part of the fun ... |
| 14:12.39 | kergoth | hah, i forgot that originally referencing a var that didn't exist was an error. zecke added it, "VarExpandError" was raised in that case back in the original expansion code |
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| 14:15.22 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:16.45 | kergoth | thinks itd be nice to do that again :) |
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| 16:05.57 | newbie_sreddy | hi all |
| 16:06.39 | woglinde | hi |
| 16:07.32 | newbie_sreddy | i had built a custom kernel with external toolchain ... but when loading the image using uboot it give " BOOTING IMAGE AT xxxx ....BAD MAGIc number " s |
| 16:07.52 | newbie_sreddy | can some one let me know what could be th erason |
| 16:09.56 | woglinde | wrong kernel config? |
| 16:10.10 | newbie_sreddy | ill check that |
| 16:10.12 | woglinde | you didnt create an uImage |
| 16:10.21 | newbie_sreddy | i created an uImage |
| 16:10.25 | woglinde | okay |
| 16:10.27 | newbie_sreddy | from ZImage |
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| 16:17.40 | khem | newbie_sreddy: and how did you build uImage ? |
| 16:17.57 | khem | did you use kernel make target |
| 16:19.17 | newbie_sreddy | i build using makeimage tool form my toolchain |
| 16:20.07 | blindvt` | khem, hi. see above for the *patch we talked about yesterday |
| 16:20.40 | newbie_sreddy | i just compiled the kernel using OE to zImage .. but after that using the using tool chain I created the UImage |
| 16:21.21 | woglinde | so you dont needed oe at all |
| 16:22.23 | newbie_sreddy | finally i need .... it but as of now for tesing I am using OE upto do_compile task |
| 16:23.10 | khem | newbie_sreddy: and you are sure that you did the right thing |
| 16:23.37 | khem | blindvt: hmm those look invasive |
| 16:24.03 | khem | blindvt: btw noq I feel better after fixing errno on mips. |
| 16:24.22 | woglinde | khem hehe |
| 16:24.26 | blindvt` | khem, they don't just look like ;P |
| 16:24.32 | newbie_sreddy | I will check once again ... is there anything which i should look into apart from kernel configuration and using of correct toolchains ? |
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| 16:28.38 | blindvt` | khem, yea, thanks alot for that. |
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| 16:42.02 | kergoth | RP: ping |
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| 16:54.57 | woglinde | hm sed guru here |
| 16:55.18 | woglinde | I want to place a newline containing stuff before the string I am searching |
| 16:56.52 | kergoth | "place"? as in, include a newline in the replacement text? |
| 16:57.19 | woglinde | hm now |
| 16:57.22 | woglinde | ups now |
| 16:57.25 | woglinde | args no |
| 16:57.39 | woglinde | I want find the string and place line above this string |
| 16:57.54 | kergoth | that doesn't make it any clearer :) |
| 16:57.58 | kergoth | elaborate or give an example please |
| 16:58.12 | woglinde | I want find foo somewhere in the file |
| 16:58.34 | woglinde | and one line before foo I want make a newline with some stuff |
| 16:59.00 | kergoth | so yes, you want to include a newline in the replacement text |
| 16:59.07 | kergoth | you want to find foo and replace it with newline, some stuff, foo |
| 16:59.15 | kergoth | no? |
| 16:59.21 | woglinde | ah good idea |
| 16:59.31 | woglinde | now its clear |
| 16:59.36 | woglinde | how it will work |
| 16:59.38 | woglinde | thanks |
| 16:59.57 | kergoth | not sure offhand if it'd be easy to do, but i'd think something like s/foo/\nbar\nfoo/ or perhaps \r instead.. |
| 17:00.10 | kergoth | if that doesn't work, i think theres other ways, but thats worth trying first |
| 17:00.57 | woglinde | yes worked |
| 17:01.01 | woglinde | with grouping |
| 17:01.20 | woglinde | sed -i -e "s|\(^sdf*\)|foo\n\1\n|" testfile.txt |
| 17:01.55 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:02.27 | woglinde | hm the seconde \n is unecessary |
| 17:04.16 | woglinde | hm cool |
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| 17:42.10 | Gaston|Home | I deleted a bunch of images for my machine and would like to rebuild the uImage again, what recipe would i need to clean to make that happen? |
| 17:42.37 | woglinde | ???? |
| 17:43.01 | woglinde | uImage is the wrapped z or bzImage |
| 17:43.09 | woglinde | a normal image contains filesystem |
| 17:43.24 | woglinde | and maybee the uImage |
| 17:43.36 | Gaston|Home | yes, I'd like to get the packaged kernel rebuilt |
| 17:43.49 | Gaston|Home | as uImage |
| 17:45.06 | Gaston|Home | Do I make sence? |
| 17:45.15 | woglinde | yes |
| 17:45.43 | woglinde | hm uImage is only generated when makeing an normal image |
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| 17:45.55 | Gaston|Home | so I tried bitbake -c clean console-image, and as you know it doesnt really clean deep enough |
| 17:46.08 | woglinde | sure its doing |
| 17:46.17 | woglinde | delete stuff under delpoy |
| 17:46.21 | woglinde | images |
| 17:46.46 | woglinde | run bitbake console-image again |
| 17:47.54 | woglinde | after bitbake -c clean console-image |
| 17:50.33 | Gaston|Home | thats how it started, I deleted a bunch of old images. Then I tried to clean console-image and rebuilt it |
| 17:50.53 | Gaston|Home | I guess I'll try to clean the kernel somehow |
| 17:50.55 | khem | kergoth: I want to setup a clone of a git repo but so that I could share it internally do have some advise for me |
| 17:51.43 | khem | kergoth: I still want the repo to be pulled from community repo but publish the internal repo so people can clone it. it wil also have few internal patches |
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| 17:51.47 | khem | on top |
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| 17:58.02 | woglinde | damn |
| 17:58.05 | woglinde | damn |
| 17:58.12 | woglinde | depenendcy stuff |
| 17:58.19 | woglinde | why I am not allowed |
| 17:58.47 | woglinde | to use packages without ${PN} |
| 17:58.51 | woglinde | package |
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| 18:06.04 | woglinde | he crofton |
| 18:06.15 | woglinde | you are in germany? |
| 18:06.20 | kergoth | woglinde, what do you mean use packages without ${PN}? |
| 18:06.32 | Crofton | yeah |
| 18:06.38 | Crofton | Friedrichstafen ... |
| 18:07.02 | woglinde | kergoth I want PACKAGES = "${PN}-dev ${PN}-dbg ${PN}-doc " |
| 18:07.07 | woglinde | a nd |
| 18:07.15 | woglinde | PACKAGES_DYNAMIC = "llvm-*" |
| 18:07.27 | khem | Friedrichstafen is a cool place |
| 18:07.43 | khem | Crofton: I use to go there quite a lot |
| 18:07.43 | woglinde | beacause ${PN} make not really sin for llvm |
| 18:07.57 | kergoth | woglinde, would probably have to tweak RDEPENDS_${PN}-{dev,doc,dbg}, make sure they don't depend on ${PN} |
| 18:07.57 | Crofton | cool |
| 18:08.07 | Crofton | I am going to the flying museums in the morning |
| 18:08.07 | woglinde | but the ACKAGES_DYNAMIC = "llvm-*" depneds on ${PN} |
| 18:08.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:08.15 | woglinde | even it isnt there |
| 18:08.18 | khem | Crofton: you should also go to bodensee |
| 18:08.22 | Crofton | Fly out of Frankfurt friday mornuing |
| 18:08.29 | Crofton | that is the water thing |
| 18:08.37 | Crofton | need to go outside and look around |
| 18:08.43 | woglinde | I am now try to work around it with empty ${PN} |
| 18:08.47 | Crofton | and get of interweb until is it dark :) |
| 18:08.50 | Crofton | bye guys |
| 18:08.53 | Crofton | thanks for the tips |
| 18:09.00 | khem | Crofton: enjoy |
| 18:09.07 | woglinde | bye crofton drink some beer |
| 18:09.22 | Crofton | woglinde, of course :) |
| 18:09.52 | khem | Crofton: ulmer muenster :) |
| 18:10.46 | woglinde | sigh |
| 18:10.55 | woglinde | and the ${PN} depends on all PACKAGES_DYNAMIC = "llvm-*" even its empty |
| 18:11.36 | woglinde | or the index generator suckz |
| 18:11.56 | woglinde | args |
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| 18:15.48 | woglinde | kergoth any idea? |
| 18:20.29 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 18:20.37 | woglinde | fixed now |
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| 18:25.06 | woglinde | re florian |
| 18:25.16 | florian | re |
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| 18:45.44 | Angelox_123 | Its slow the compilation? |
| 18:46.02 | woglinde | ????? |
| 18:46.04 | khem | slow is relative term |
| 18:46.07 | woglinde | dont chat as root |
| 18:46.11 | woglinde | you might get hacked |
| 18:46.22 | Angelox_123 | i am using slackware.... |
| 18:46.36 | woglinde | dont depends on the host distro |
| 18:46.41 | woglinde | depends only on hw |
| 18:46.42 | Angelox_123 | and i cannot use another user to chat.... |
| 18:46.49 | woglinde | sure you can |
| 18:46.56 | woglinde | su - newuser |
| 18:46.58 | Angelox_123 | i get a error..... |
| 18:47.06 | woglinde | adduser newuser |
| 18:47.23 | khem | well you get hacked thats your headache isnt it :) |
| 18:47.33 | khem | whats your problem with OE |
| 18:47.56 | Angelox_123 | none...but is slow to compile..... |
| 18:48.08 | Angelox_123 | task 194 of 3274 |
| 18:48.11 | khem | whats your build box configs |
| 18:48.33 | Angelox_123 | I using P4 1gb Memory |
| 18:48.50 | woglinde | thats a slow machine |
| 18:49.09 | woglinde | we are building libc twice and gcc third |
| 18:49.17 | khem | yes I have one of those too and OE has made me think its worthless so I gave it away to kids to play |
| 18:50.02 | Angelox_123 | hum.....Whats machine is good for this job? |
| 18:50.16 | woglinde | 4-qay |
| 18:50.22 | woglinde | ups 4-way |
| 18:50.26 | woglinde | bye for now |
| 18:51.07 | Angelox_123 | Have any rootfs opeenbbeed of a1200 to download |
| 18:51.13 | Angelox_123 | ????? |
| 18:51.14 | khem | Angelox_123: people have core i7 |
| 18:51.22 | Angelox_123 | Wow!! |
| 18:51.41 | khem | Angelox_123: you mean prebuilt |
| 18:51.41 | CIA-2 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r1f1a416035 10openembedded.git/recipes/xbmc/xbmc_svn.bb: xbmc: add missing deps, bump SRCREV |
| 18:52.07 | Angelox_123 | yes khem |
| 18:53.49 | khem | Angelox_123: I dont know off hand |
| 18:54.12 | khem | Angelox_123: OE is about building yourself :) |
| 18:54.20 | Angelox_123 | Hum..... |
| 18:55.07 | Angelox_123 | what a pity..... |
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| 18:56.07 | CIA-2 | contrib/qemu/run-qemu.sh: Dont search for hdimage when doing a nfsboot |
| 18:56.07 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Khem Raj <raj.khem@gmail.com> |
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| 21:41.57 | bkinman | Heya guys! My ship is sinking! So, im building openembedded for the gumstix overo, and my hard drive space is quickly dwindling! I added rm_work or whatever to my local.conf, which is supposed to cut down on space, and ran bitbake to build my distribution again, but it seems that it didn't actually go about cleaning up whatever files are taking up all of the space before it went to compile all over again... Help me #oe, your my only hope! |
| 21:42.49 | ant__ | you could try rebuilding from packaged staging |
| 21:43.05 | ant__ | remove all in your tmpdir BUT /pstage |
| 21:43.12 | bkinman | thanks! |
| 21:43.25 | ant__ | keep /pstage ! |
| 21:44.42 | bkinman | What does rm_work do anyways? |
| 21:45.24 | ant__ | it does remove the files in workdir but being the packages are staged (Already compiled once) these are left untouched... |
| 21:45.48 | ant__ | thus, rebuilding is needed |
| 21:46.45 | bkinman | wow, so if i rm_work, that means that every time i build an image, i will have to wait 12 hours? |
| 21:47.12 | ant__ | well, only on first build |
| 21:47.23 | ant__ | from pstage should be much more rapid |
| 21:47.42 | ant__ | i.e. 15mins vs. 2 hours |
| 21:48.01 | ant__ | in my case on my host |
| 21:48.22 | ant__ | s/should be/is/ |
| 21:49.25 | bkinman | gotcha |
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| 22:09.07 | khem | bkinman: another thinh to change is the debug option |
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| 22:10.05 | woglinde | re ant |
| 22:10.21 | khem | bkinman: I think its using -g3 at the moment and it will eat up your harddisk |
| 22:10.30 | khem | ant__: hello |
| 22:10.34 | ant__ | hwy woglinde ...bah.. netsplit |
| 22:11.14 | ant__ | hello khem |
| 22:11.14 | bkinman | oh, awesome. |
| 22:11.14 | bkinman | Ill look into that. |
| 22:12.09 | khem | bkinman: it will also speed up your build if you used =g instead of g3 |
| 22:12.57 | bkinman | Where do i change that at? |
| 22:13.35 | khem | bkinman: whats your DISTRO |
| 22:14.03 | bkinman | I'm using angstrom. |
| 22:14.24 | khem | ok open conf/distro/include/angstrom-glibc.inc |
| 22:14.39 | khem | and you should see something like FULL_OPTIMIZATION = "-fexpensive-optimizations -frename-registers -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -ggdb3" |
| 22:15.00 | khem | replace -ggdb3 with -g |
| 22:15.09 | Jay7 | -O2 -ggdb3? |
| 22:15.19 | khem | thats crazy but thats how it is |
| 22:15.30 | Jay7 | hm.. looking strange :) |
| 22:15.37 | khem | uclibc was 232M when built with -ggdb3 :) |
| 22:15.50 | khem | angstrom maintainers like it |
| 22:15.58 | Jay7 | omg |
| 22:15.59 | khem | as they are blessed with large harddisks |
| 22:16.12 | Jay7 | well.. sleep anyway :) |
| 22:16.21 | khem | I stopped using angstrom for very same reason |
| 22:16.24 | khem | I use minimal |
| 22:16.27 | khem | its sleek |
| 22:16.37 | khem | bkinman: did you get it ? |
| 22:16.40 | Jay7 | -> sleep() |
| 22:16.52 | bkinman | i'm resizing my virtual disk partition, hehe. |
| 22:17.45 | Tartarus | Well, -ggdb3 makes debugging deployed stuff easier i think |
| 22:17.52 | Tartarus | needs to find the time to confirm this, one of these days |
| 22:18.13 | khem | Tartarus: may be but at what cost |
| 22:18.15 | Tartarus | is busy kicking bitbake world -k -c fetchall actually finish, with strict checksums disables |
| 22:18.32 | Tartarus | khem: I'm with the Angstrom folks, sorry |
| 22:18.48 | Tartarus | Not that I advocate minimal/micro going -ggdb3 too |
| 22:19.00 | Tartarus | disk is cheap, even laptop disk |
| 22:19.01 | khem | Tartarus: I have found that -g is good for debugging |
| 22:19.08 | khem | -g3 is overkill |
| 22:19.19 | Tartarus | khem: I think the point of -ggdb3 is that you don't need sources around then |
| 22:19.23 | Tartarus | THat's what I want to confirm anyhow |
| 22:19.26 | khem | unless you compress debug info |
| 22:19.29 | khem | which gcc does not |
| 22:19.52 | khem | Tartarus: why you dont need sources ? |
| 22:20.04 | khem | how would you do source level debugging without them |
| 22:21.03 | Tartarus | khem: What I suspect and would like to confirm is that -ggdb3 gives you what you need when you don't want to debug libpcap (for example), but your libpcap using app and you're stepping in to see what's going on |
| 22:21.20 | Tartarus | That's when you don't care about having libpcap sources around |
| 22:21.24 | Tartarus | but do want source level debug |
| 22:22.01 | khem | Tartarus: I dont get you. Do you just want frame info and symbols ? |
| 22:22.06 | khem | for those |
| 22:22.17 | khem | they will be there with -g as well |
| 22:22.38 | khem | g3 adds macro debugging capabilities the biggest source of bloat |
| 22:22.53 | khem | and it will generate it for every occurance and use of the macro |
| 22:22.54 | khem | lame |
| 22:23.24 | khem | there is a fine compromise you have to have with opt level and debug info |
| 22:23.45 | khem | if you are asking for O2 lot of that bloated crap is wrong anyway |
| 22:24.04 | khem | gcc emitted that just because you asked for it. |
| 22:24.22 | khem | If you used something like -O0 -g3 then ok |
| 22:24.30 | khem | you will get super duper debug info |
| 22:24.41 | khem | and world class debugging experience |
| 22:24.51 | Tartarus | khem: Like I said, it's something I want to confirm before I speculate more |
| 22:25.02 | Tartarus | and I'm also assuming that there's a good and tested reason for it in Angstrom |
| 22:25.14 | khem | Tartarus: I have used both so I am speaking from experience |
| 22:25.35 | khem | there could be a good reason but I dont know that |
| 22:25.45 | Tartarus | Yes, that's what I'm speculating about |
| 22:25.49 | khem | generally we should approach it differently |
| 22:26.16 | khem | we should have options sets which dont harm debugging that much |
| 22:26.37 | khem | and then another option set which doesnt care about debugging at all that would be need for speed kind |
| 22:27.01 | Tartarus | imho, anything that says "we build differently for debug vs not" is a deal breaker |
| 22:27.15 | Tartarus | You will then get the bug that shows up in the 'not' case |
| 22:27.38 | khem | I agree. However this is an option for daring ones |
| 22:27.55 | khem | we might go conservatively with the option set thats good for debugging |
| 22:28.19 | khem | but we should also have an option to deteriorated debugging experience but faster speed |
| 22:28.59 | khem | the current option set we use is crazy |
| 22:29.29 | khem | we tend to optimize for size but then we ask for frename-registers and expensive-optimizations |
| 22:29.35 | khem | thats counter intuitive |
| 22:35.56 | Tartarus | er, wait, how so? |
| 22:36.26 | Tartarus | In that both of them are perf and necessarily size related? |
| 22:36.29 | khem | Tartarus: let me try out something like -g3 -feliminate-dwarf2-dups -femit-struct-debug-baseonly -femit-struct-debug-reduced |
| 22:36.55 | khem | Tartarus: no expensive-optimizations break debug info |
| 22:37.33 | Tartarus | khem: Other than the usual debugging optmized code is hard? |
| 22:37.37 | khem | and same holds for rename-register |
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| 22:41.45 | khem | Tartarus: with gcc 4.5 debugging optimized code is much improved |
| 22:41.54 | khem | I just debugged uclibc last night :) |
| 22:42.02 | khem | it could tell me all about locals |
| 22:42.16 | khem | at anypoint in execution in a function |
| 22:42.35 | khem | I am all for ggdb3 but it should be managable |
| 22:43.19 | Tartarus | I think you should make a case for Angstrom folks to change the flag once they're ready to switch to 4.5, and what to switch it to :) |
| 22:43.27 | Tartarus | and make it to them |
| 22:43.40 | khem | my playground is minimal |
| 22:43.41 | khem | atm |
| 22:44.02 | khem | but most of OE users use angstrom so yes you are right |
| 22:44.24 | khem | let me experiment with minimal and come up with a good opt combo for debugging |
| 22:44.45 | khem | is sleep deprived |
| 22:45.27 | ant__ | is following the debug saga |
| 22:45.43 | khem | Tartarus: but 500K of uclibc code and 202M of debugging size for it is something to worry dont you agree |
| 22:46.10 | ant__ | could once build in tmpfs with only 8GB ram |
| 22:46.28 | khem | ant__: gone are days when people use gcc 2.95 :) |
| 22:46.43 | ant__ | he..it was not so long ago |
| 22:46.45 | khem | now gcc can shower so many bits on you if you ask for it |
| 22:46.57 | ant__ | before git native expansion |
| 22:47.30 | khem | problem with lot of debug info is that static linker (ld) takes a lot longer to link apps |
| 22:47.31 | ant__ | and before console-image pollution |
| 22:47.42 | ant__ | with extra X packages |
| 22:47.45 | khem | which will prolong the build time even more |
| 22:47.49 | ant__ | yes |
| 22:47.51 | Tartarus | khem: I do not care about size, seriously |
| 22:48.02 | khem | Tartarus: how about build time ? |
| 22:48.20 | Tartarus | For OE? hahah |
| 22:48.25 | Tartarus | Seriously tho |
| 22:48.28 | khem | Tartarus: try to debug such a uclibc system on say qemu or some other embedded board |
| 22:48.32 | ant__ | khem: it is the same moving from core2 to core4 one year after :/ |
| 22:48.38 | khem | gdb takes ages to load that uclibc debug info |
| 22:49.12 | Tartarus | khem: On what vintage of a machine are you working tho? |
| 22:49.13 | khem | Tartarus: everyone is not blessed with faster machines and lot of hd we should be considerate to them :) |
| 22:49.32 | ant__ | already bricked 2 HDD building furiously |
| 22:49.33 | khem | Tartarus: heh I have fairly good machine its a T61 |
| 22:49.38 | khem | but my hd it 100G |
| 22:49.45 | Tartarus | 'fairly good' ? |
| 22:49.46 | khem | and I can only have one angstrom image |
| 22:50.15 | khem | Tartarus: well its a core2duo 2GHz |
| 22:50.21 | khem | with 2G ram |
| 22:50.30 | khem | and 100G hd |
| 22:50.39 | khem | should be enough in modern times |
| 22:50.53 | khem | we are not paid by intel's and amd's to create killer apps :) |
| 22:50.59 | Tartarus | heh |
| 22:51.27 | Tartarus | Well, that's why I care about the case of people debugging stuff where it wasn't built |
| 22:51.39 | Tartarus | And what's really needed to make that happen, without OE around |
| 22:52.04 | khem | fair enough |
| 22:52.15 | Tartarus | Since OE is a full system of the world, rather than an app development environment |
| 22:52.24 | khem | yes |
| 22:52.41 | Tartarus | Your laptop should def. be enough to write and debug apps, but no, building a full system on there is a stretch |
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| 22:52.59 | khem | Tartarus: I dont agree :) |
| 22:53.00 | Tartarus | Heck, my IT-approved developer laptop is a bit of a stretch at times |
| 22:53.18 | khem | because then I dont have other machine to work on |
| 22:53.20 | khem | hehe |
| 22:53.50 | Tartarus | khem: It's the difference between what resources you need to build a single big thing (even gcc/kernel/Eclipse/whatever) vs a full system of software |
| 22:53.54 | Tartarus | imho |
| 22:54.01 | khem | I am saying we should not generate stuff blindly just because we can. |
| 22:54.05 | Tartarus | and that's why I don't care so much about disk space or build time |
| 22:54.12 | Tartarus | khem: I'll agree there too |
| 22:54.17 | khem | we should weigh if it really makes sense to have that much of debug info in practice |
| 22:54.31 | Tartarus | If it adds value, it should be done, if not, not |
| 22:54.36 | Tartarus | We just disagree about what value is :) |
| 22:54.48 | Tartarus | And really, you should argue with the angstrom folks to drop down from -ggdb3 |
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| 22:54.56 | Tartarus | Or switch to minimal/micro :) |
| 22:55.33 | khem | yes for me if I can have same level of debugging with -g and -g3 may be -g3 is a bit more but then it needs triple the size and increased build time and load time in gdb |
| 22:55.48 | khem | I would think -g is more valuable as practical solution |
| 22:56.23 | khem | I use to fight star craft with unlimited reasources :) but thats not reality |
| 22:57.34 | khem | more than one OE user have complained about the problem bkinman ran into with angstrom |
| 23:00.01 | Tartarus | wrt this channel, that's an argument to make minimal or micro 'better' somehow |
| 23:00.29 | khem | yes |
| 23:00.29 | Tartarus | or slugos or whatever. And 'better' might have been better said as more popular or visible or whatever |
| 23:00.43 | khem | I am going to experiment with improvised debug opts |
| 23:01.10 | khem | angstrom like OE is a brandname where as minimal/micro are not |
| 23:01.28 | khem | I am happy that mwester chose eglibc for slugos now |
| 23:02.23 | ant__ | minimal is much more appealing than before now |
| 23:03.01 | ant__ | I'd say is bleeding-edge wrt toolchain (thx khem :) |
| 23:03.19 | ant__ | shr too |
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| 23:06.30 | ant__ | brb |
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| 23:21.37 | khem | ant__: thx |
| 23:21.51 | khem | ant__: I am sad that italy exited the WC so early |
| 23:22.01 | khem | I was rooting for them |
| 23:22.01 | ant__ | oh, *that* matter... |
| 23:22.22 | khem | both winner and runner up of last wc out in first round |
| 23:22.35 | ant__ | indeed |
| 23:23.08 | khem | my bicycle has italian made components from bianci and scattante |
| 23:23.22 | ant__ | big brands;) |
| 23:23.25 | khem | although made in taiwan :) |
| 23:23.48 | khem | ant__: I like the parts though |
| 23:23.53 | grg | tdf starts this weekend. woot! |
| 23:23.57 | khem | my bike runs like a billy goat |
| 23:24.09 | khem | yeah grg |
| 23:24.11 | khem | hello |
| 23:24.16 | grg | morning |
| 23:24.37 | khem | grg: opkg needs to do better :) |
| 23:24.48 | grg | khem, of course :) |
| 23:25.55 | khem | grg: which city are you in |
| 23:26.04 | grg | khem, adelaide |
| 23:26.41 | khem | grg: I was once authorized to visit linux.conf.au |
| 23:26.52 | khem | but could not make it as my daughter was to be born |
| 23:27.10 | khem | that was my only chance to visit australia thus far :) |
| 23:27.16 | grg | i've not been to a linux.conf.au |
| 23:28.33 | grg | always seem to be doing something else at that time of the year... |
| 23:28.56 | grg | Has any thought been given to randomising the bitbake queue in order to pick up missing build dependencies? |
| 23:29.35 | mwester | wonders how that would help |
| 23:30.30 | grg | well, lots of build deps are explicit in the recipe, they just happen to be built because of a rather obscure dependency chain |
| 23:30.38 | grg | s/are/aren't/ |
| 23:31.33 | grg | e.g. xserver-kdrive_1.5.3.bb appears to depend on openssl, which is not in its dependency list and it only fails now because i removed openssl as a dependency from my opkg recipe |
| 23:32.12 | grg | i don't know if xserver-kdrive depends on opkg, but it probably doesnt |
| 23:33.01 | mwester | Ah, ok, so randomizing would have the effect of uncovering these missing dependencies. |
| 23:33.08 | khem | grg: hmm yeah there are several case where apps build because they find a dependency because someone else pulled it in for them |
| 23:33.17 | grg | yeah |
| 23:33.30 | mwester | I would think if we had enough BB threads running, that would do the same, no? |
| 23:33.48 | grg | mwester, probably |
| 23:33.58 | buZz | i've just seen bitbake die from multiple BB threads |
| 23:34.06 | mwester | goes to search for a 1000-core processor. |
| 23:34.08 | grg | it was just an idle thought.... |
| 23:34.14 | khem | I guess we could have a mode in bb where it traps the open syscall and notes what file is being opened |
| 23:34.30 | khem | that will be best way to track dependencies |
| 23:34.46 | khem | may be a kernel module or something that talks to bb |
| 23:34.57 | mwester | Custom filesystem |
| 23:35.04 | mwester | could even be a user-space fs |
| 23:35.09 | khem | this way we will find complete depchain |
| 23:35.14 | mwester | Just has to report file operations |
| 23:35.22 | mwester | and pass them to teh underlying fs |
| 23:35.42 | mwester | commercial products exist that do that already. |
| 23:35.45 | khem | yeah something like that |
| 23:35.49 | khem | hmm cool |
| 23:36.19 | khem | I did not know that |
| 23:36.27 | khem | I am working on something similar |
| 23:36.33 | khem | for my paid work :) |
| 23:36.45 | mwester | IBM's ClearCase, and Electric Cloud's emake and electrify products |
| 23:37.11 | khem | ah cool |
| 23:37.16 | khem | emake sounds nice |
| 23:37.39 | mwester | (Disclaimer: I worked for the company that originally wrote ClearCase, and my current employer does emake/electrify) |
| 23:37.52 | woglinde | grg mweser rational? |
| 23:37.56 | woglinde | *g* |
| 23:37.56 | mwester | Atria |
| 23:38.06 | woglinde | hm |
| 23:38.15 | mwester | I worked for Rational for a year after they aquired Atria |
| 23:38.22 | woglinde | hm hehe |
| 23:38.31 | mwester | They were too big a company, no fun at all. |
| 23:38.58 | woglinde | I once had to work around clearcase not avaliable encrypted transport |
| 23:39.23 | woglinde | I used the email patch support and gpg |
| 23:39.24 | Tartarus | mwester: Put OE into emake before? |
| 23:39.31 | Tartarus | or just usesyou mean? |
| 23:40.05 | mwester | Tartarus: I tried, failed -- electrify is a better fit, but I'm on another project and have had absolutely no time to work on it. |
| 23:40.26 | Tartarus | k, thanks |
| 23:40.35 | mwester | woglinde: Clearcase was slow without encryption, i can just imagiine how painful that must have been! |
| 23:41.16 | woglinde | mwester hm ah I remeber email was the only way we got internetconnection to the other company |
| 23:41.36 | woglinde | was around 2001 |
| 23:42.31 | mwester | Tartarus: the issue is that emake would only distribute threads at the makefile level, i.e. do_configure, do_compile tasks. I wanted to be able to distrbiute bb tasks out. I think it can work, but it will be tough. I need to convince my employer that it would be a great learning project and let me try it during working hours. :) |
| 23:46.14 | Tartarus | heh |