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| 09:50.27 | RP | morning all |
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| 10:00.31 | tengulre | Hi,all |
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| 10:21.24 | gremlin[it] | grrrr months ago i sent a patch to pppd ... still isn't present ... why ?1 |
| 10:21.40 | gremlin[it] | and pppd don't compile ;( |
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| 10:35.55 | RP | gremlin[it]: Where was it sent to? bugzilla? |
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| 10:36.30 | uv1 | Morning all |
| 10:36.47 | RP | morning uv1 |
| 10:36.48 | gremlin[it] | RP ... i did mooonths ago before bugzilla ... |
| 10:37.03 | gremlin[it] | i'll send to bugzilal now ;) |
| 10:37.08 | gremlin[it] | mornin RP ! |
| 10:38.28 | uv1 | I have another patch for packages_rpm. Should I prepare it against the original (including the changes of the last patch) or just add it to the bugzilla entry ? |
| 10:38.43 | RP | uv1: Just replace it in the bugzilla |
| 10:39.00 | uv1 | RP : ok. |
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| 10:39.58 | RP | uv1: I'm guessing it wasn't applied yet? |
| 10:40.15 | gremlin[it] | the main problem is that pppd try to llok in /usr/lib if libcrypt.* exist ... but i have such library in /usr/lib64 ... and anyway should be better it look on the <oe>/build/tmp/stagin|cross/arm-linux/lib :) |
| 10:40.24 | uv1 | Still searching an issue. RPM packaging works now, but ncurses is NOT. spec file contains *.so* for package ncurses-dev, but these files are not in install/ncurses-dev. Who defines, which files are copied for rpm ? |
| 10:40.43 | uv1 | RP: I think not, as the yesterdays pull did not contain ? |
| 10:41.02 | RP | uv1: That sounds a reasonable assumption |
| 10:48.17 | uv1 | Also I have several " Couldn't find shared library provider for libc.so.6" during ncurses package stage. (x86 machine). Any ideas ? |
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| 11:02.26 | uv1 | Does bitbake -e nano do not work correctly ? I get a ... |
| 11:02.27 | uv1 | # PACKAGES=${PN} ${PN}-doc ${PN}-dev ${PN}-locale |
| 11:02.28 | uv1 | PACKAGES="bitbake bitbake-doc bitbake-dev bitbake-locale" |
| 11:02.39 | uv1 | when bitbake -e nano is called. |
| 11:03.04 | uv1 | Should that not be nano nano-doc nano-dev nano-locale ? |
| 11:04.41 | zecke | could be? ;) |
| 11:25.27 | RP | Nearly every kernel patch is throwing rejected against the current tree :-/ |
| 11:26.06 | koen | by RMK or lkml? |
| 11:27.38 | RP | koen: platform device model changes by rmk |
| 11:27.58 | koen | I see |
| 11:28.04 | RP | even mainline sharp devices don't compile now although the fix is simple... |
| 11:28.05 | koen | so all the patches have to be redone... |
| 11:28.18 | RP | koen: yes, all of them :-/ |
| 11:28.24 | koen | ouch |
| 11:28.31 | RP | including the ones in his patch system which won't apply now |
| 11:28.46 | RP | and the ones I have queued with people like gregkh... |
| 11:31.18 | RP | I appreciate the changes need to be made. The timing has made this merge window fustrating for me though... |
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| 11:49.34 | uv1 | My rpm problem seems not to be an rpm specific problem! The *.so* links in ncurses-dev package (usr/lib/) are dangling and also mentioned in log file, if package_ipk is used. Anyone here to help me ? |
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| 11:53.14 | koen | the dev packages contains the symlinks for the .so in the libfoo package |
| 11:55.25 | uv1 | koen: What is the libfoo package ? I have e.g. the following link in $WORKDIR/ncurses-5.4/install/ncurses-dev/usr/lib ... |
| 11:55.25 | uv1 | ls -ls libcurses.so |
| 11:55.25 | uv1 | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 sc users 17 Nov 12 12:53 libcurses.so -> libncurses.so.5.4 |
| 11:55.48 | uv1 | ... but libncurses.so.5.4 is not there. |
| 11:56.10 | koen | check $WORKDIR/ncurses-5.4/install/ncurses/usr/lib |
| 11:56.40 | uv1 | koen: Sure, there they are. But rpm spec file requires them in ncurses-dev/usr/lib |
| 11:56.56 | koen | why? |
| 11:57.00 | uv1 | ... if building an rpm *-dev package |
| 11:57.15 | koen | the library is supposed to be in the ncurses package (obviously) |
| 11:58.18 | uv1 | Sure I agree with you. But if you look at e.g. Suse ncurses-dev.rpm or debian ncurses-dev.deb, the libs are in that package as well. |
| 11:58.42 | koen | only the symlinks, right? |
| 11:58.56 | uv1 | Double checking that ... |
| 11:58.57 | koen | otherwise 2 package would provide the same thing without confliction |
| 11:59.04 | koen | ugh |
| 11:59.09 | koen | my englush is terrible today |
| 11:59.14 | koen | .... |
| 11:59.16 | koen | english |
| 12:00.24 | uv1 | koen: Your unfortunately right, So I have to search the rpm build options again ;-) |
| 12:00.39 | uv1 | s/Your/You are/ ;-) |
| 12:06.08 | uv1 | koen: Do you know, why that links are in -dev package anyway ? |
| 12:09.01 | zecke | uv1: .so to .so.?.?.? |
| 12:10.15 | uv1 | zecke: But if the links and libs are in ncurses, why also in ncurses-dev ? Is that package noct meant to provide the headers and so on ? |
| 12:10.33 | uv1 | s/noct/not/ |
| 12:11.53 | zecke | uv1: .so is only relevant when linking |
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| 12:12.01 | zecke | uv1: others are runtime dependant |
| 12:12.19 | zecke | uv1: e.g I can have ncurses.so.4.3.2 and ncurses.so.5.3.2 installed |
| 12:12.32 | zecke | uv1: if I link to ncurses which one should be used? |
| 12:12.46 | zecke | uv1: this is why there is ncurses.so to point to the 'right' one |
| 12:16.37 | uv1 | zecke: So what is your suggestion, if rpm complains 'File not found by glob: /data/scdev2/build-x86-rpm/tmp/work/ncurses-5.4-r8/install/ncurses-dev/usr/lib/lib*.so' ... |
| 12:16.45 | uv1 | The lib*.so links are there. |
| 12:17.46 | zecke | uv1: whell, dunno |
| 12:18.00 | zecke | don't create a dev package? |
| 12:18.05 | zecke | (not too good though) |
| 12:19.01 | uv1 | zecke: Thanks anyway (not building the dev package would not be so good, I think). Will come back, when it is fixed ... |
| 12:19.14 | uv1 | And thanks to koen and RP as well |
| 12:19.17 | uv1 | see you ... |
| 12:19.22 | zecke | cya |
| 12:19.25 | zecke | take care |
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| 13:13.00 | uv1 | Quick question to pathon experts ;-) |
| 13:14.12 | uv1 | Can we create a list of full linknames from something like lib*.so ? RPM is not able to work with *.so, but would using a list of all links (in ncurses-dev dir). |
| 13:14.22 | uv1 | s/pathon/python/ |
| 13:25.37 | mreimer_ | dir |
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| 13:26.33 | uv1 | mreimer: dir ? |
| 13:26.50 | uv1 | mreimer: I just want to see symlinks! |
| 13:27.14 | mreimer_ | uv1: no focus-follows-mouse on OS X. I accidentally typed here rather than in my terminal. excuse me |
| 13:27.43 | uv1 | mreimer: NP |
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| 13:46.06 | uv1 | I have an idea how to fix the RPM stuff, but need some python help. |
| 13:46.31 | uv1 | Anyone here who can help ? |
| 13:54.14 | uv1 | Bye |
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| 14:55.12 | uv1 | Hello again. |
| 14:56.21 | uv1 | Just before I checked in a patch to bug 431, which solves some rpm problems (though I believe), that this was not all. |
| 14:56.55 | uv1 | Is someone here, who is able to apply that patch to classes/packages_rpm in the repository ? |
| 14:57.13 | zecke | i gues there is some one |
| 14:57.24 | uv1 | Hi zecke |
| 14:57.37 | uv1 | Another issue (not dependend on RPM ;-)) |
| 14:58.13 | uv1 | busybox 1.01-r1 does not compile for x86 target. Is that a kown one ? |
| 14:58.27 | zecke | at least not to me |
| 14:58.57 | uv1 | In file included from /data/scdev2/build-x86-rpm/tmp/work/busybox-1.01-r1/busybox-1.01/applets/applets.c:48: |
| 14:58.57 | uv1 | | /data/scdev2/build-x86-rpm/tmp/work/busybox-1.01-r1/busybox-1.01/include/applets.h:551: error: `sysctl_main' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 14:58.58 | uv1 | | /data/scdev2/build-x86-rpm/tmp/work/busybox-1.01-r1/busybox-1.01/include/applets.h:551: error: initializer element is notconstant |
| 14:59.16 | zecke | sounds like a gcc4 issue? |
| 14:59.49 | uv1 | gcc3.3 ;-( |
| 15:00.07 | uv1 | Original Debian one. |
| 15:00.28 | koen|away | is the gcc in tmp/cross 3.x too? |
| 15:01.14 | uv1 | koen|away: No tmp/cross as I made BUILD_TARGET=686 and TARGET_ARCH=686 ;-) |
| 15:01.45 | uv1 | koen: Would tmp/cross build for x86 ? Why a crosscompiler here ? |
| 15:02.15 | koen | it should build for any case where build arch != target arch |
| 15:02.40 | uv1 | koen: But does it make sence to build cross for x86 if the build box is x86 ? |
| 15:03.44 | koen | if the 'x' is different, yes |
| 15:04.08 | uv1 | koen: Ok, will try it. |
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| 15:40.40 | Crofton | Is there a "proper" way to rename files in monontone? |
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| 15:40.52 | Crofton | or should I just copy the file to the new name |
| 15:41.03 | Crofton | I'm changing a version on omniorb |
| 15:47.48 | koen | monotone mv <file> |
| 15:50.17 | koen | that renames the file in the database iirc |
| 15:50.36 | koen | so I think you need to 'mv <file>' after that |
| 15:56.57 | Crofton | I think I will keep two copies short yerm |
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| 16:00.54 | hrw | hello |
| 16:04.34 | Crofton | that is the way koen |
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| 16:06.53 | hrw | hi zecke |
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| 16:33.43 | Laibsch | Hi, I was wondering if the changes from hentges.net that make it possible to dual-boot off an SD-card have made it into OE itself. |
| 16:35.07 | hrw | Laibsch: you mean altboot? |
| 16:35.25 | Laibsch | hrw: excatly. that is the correct term. |
| 16:35.32 | hrw | Laibsch: altboot is in OE |
| 16:35.37 | Laibsch | Cool! |
| 16:35.44 | hrw | I nonstop forget to add it into collie images |
| 16:35.49 | Laibsch | Can I dual-boot to an old Sharp ROM now? |
| 16:36.06 | hrw | Laibsch: dont know |
| 16:36.09 | Laibsch | I still need Sharp ROM for Japanese input. |
| 16:36.16 | Laibsch | OK. |
| 16:38.55 | Laibsch | Would an image I compiled now be automatically altboot'able? Or do I need to switch on something somewhere? |
| 16:39.25 | hrw | install altboot into it |
| 16:40.50 | Laibsch | OK, I will try that. Thanks hrw. |
| 16:46.23 | Bernardo | hi |
| 16:47.44 | koen | hey Bernardo |
| 16:48.02 | Bernardo | hi koen |
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| 17:09.54 | hrw | re |
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| 18:42.06 | hrw|afk | someone need some ttf fonts? :) |
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| 18:47.20 | hrw|afk | hi [cc]smart |
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| 18:54.40 | hrw|afk | ho zecke |
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| 19:05.24 | CIA-3 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r07b0dbe4... 10/: |
| 19:05.25 | CIA-3 | ttf.inc (common for ttf-fonts/ttf-*.bb) updated |
| 19:05.25 | CIA-3 | - cleaned SECTION line (removed comment) |
| 19:05.25 | CIA-3 | - added OPIE stuff into DEPENDS/RSUGGESTS (still commented) |
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| 19:10.22 | hrw|afk | enough for now |
| 19:15.44 | [cc]smart | hi |
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| 21:51.56 | RP | Once again, rmk manages to annoy me :-( |
| 21:53.22 | koen|770 | what did he do know? |
| 21:53.58 | koen|770 | now* |
| 21:57.12 | RP | koen|770: More patch rejects telling me off for something that was dicussed in a thread on LKML he was cc'd on and appeared to respond to.... |
| 22:03.02 | koen | sounds like the 'good' old RMK |
| 22:07.50 | RP | I also sent him an email explaing why I was doing something which he has then rejected the patch for without reading... |
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| 22:18.00 | RP | At least 2.6.15-rc1 appears to run on spitz... |
| 22:18.25 | alan|home | evening all ! (yeah, i know about ugt, but i'll be gone soon, so it is already late (^^) ) |
| 22:18.57 | alan|home | from a bootstrap image, i installed e 17 package, but i can'tt even launch a X session. |
| 22:19.08 | alan|home | what did i miss ? |
| 22:20.15 | alan|home | can't i just launch with startx ? |
| 22:20.39 | RP | So far, the list of platform devices which rmk has broken includes w100fb, scoop, locomo and bits of usb. |
| 22:23.44 | alan|home | Xfbdev... ok. one problem solved. |
| 22:23.48 | alan|home | got to go. |
| 22:23.52 | alan|home | thanks anyway. |
| 22:24.04 | alan|home | night RP and others |
| 22:32.37 | hrw|tv | nice quote: I'm a big Bush fan, but I like to see a shaved one occasionally. |
| 22:32.38 | hrw|tv | ;P |
| 22:46.31 | RP | Right, patches requeued. Here we go again :) |
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| 22:47.41 | hrw|tv | but means that they will go into 2.6.16 not 2.6.15 |
| 22:49.32 | RP | hrw|tv: We'll see ;-) |
| 22:50.00 | hrw|tv | 2.6.15-rc1 was released so in theory no new things for 2.6.15 |
| 22:50.19 | RP | hrw|tv: No new changes. Completely new code is in theory ok |
| 22:50.37 | hrw|tv | new code can break old things |
| 22:51.00 | hrw|tv | RP: your inssound script linked in 3100/2.6 post |
| 22:51.07 | RP | hrw|tv: depends on the code and this is fairly safe. We're in the calming down phase so this might just make it |
| 22:51.24 | RP | hrw|tv: ok, I'd better remember to to clean temp then :) |
| 22:51.40 | hrw|tv | other question from comments: Any chance that a 2.6 version will be released for the C1000 (Akita)? |
| 22:51.56 | RP | hrw|tv: akita works well and we can release a build |
| 22:51.57 | hrw|tv | we released only spitz/2.6? |
| 22:52.16 | hrw|tv | RP: first we have to get hosting place |
| 22:52.20 | RP | hrw|tv: There is one in my temp directory - no modules though |
| 22:52.30 | hrw|tv | or you will host it again.. |
| 22:52.45 | RP | I don't mind hosting a simple akita build |
| 22:52.59 | RP | I haven't the bandwidth for much more though |
| 22:53.03 | hrw|tv | RP: btw - if modules on cxx00 are same for all then maybe add 'cxx00' arch for them in virtual/kernel and ipkg? |
| 22:53.51 | hrw|tv | but this will give us two machine archs for each.. spitz+cxx00, akita+cxx00 etc. |
| 22:53.57 | RP | hrw|tv: maybe. It would be nice to combine the builds... |
| 22:54.26 | RP | If it weren't for the microdrive, it could be the same as c7x0 2.6 |
| 22:55.37 | hrw|tv | RP: so only base-files differ now for them? |
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| 22:56.07 | RP | hrw|tv: different fstab, different kernel cmdline (the only kernel difference), different rootfs size |
| 22:57.05 | hrw|tv | so maybe we should think how to create MACHINE, SUBMACHINE in OE.. for cxx00, some ipaq etc. |
| 22:57.29 | RP | hrw|tv: I've been saying this for a long time ;-) |
| 22:57.48 | hrw|tv | ;) |
| 22:58.56 | hrw|tv | ok. I added comment to 3100/2.6 post |
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| 23:02.00 | hrw | RP: http://pastebin.ca/28496 - that patch should make alsa autoloadable (if installed) |
| 23:02.12 | Bernardo | I don't have the uplink, or I'd host the akita build |
| 23:02.14 | Zero_Chaos | I am making a .bb for a program that needs no configuration, bu the make file is hardcoded to CC=gcc. What do I replace that with so that OE can build it properly? |
| 23:02.30 | hrw | Zero_Chaos: patch makefile to not set CC |
| 23:02.51 | Zero_Chaos | hrw: so just don't set it at all? and OE just knows what to do? |
| 23:02.59 | hrw | Zero_Chaos: makefile will get CC from enviroment (which OE set) |
| 23:03.12 | Zero_Chaos | hrw: sweet, thanks for the help |
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| 23:03.42 | hrw | RP: probably it can be cleaner - some modules depend on other |
| 23:03.55 | Bernardo | hrw, RP: I'll check with my isp if my monthly bandwidth includes the data I have on their server reserved web space |
| 23:04.01 | *** part/#oe Zero_Chaos (i=gzymne@68-71-34-255.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 23:04.08 | Bernardo | If not, I can put up to 50Mb there |
| 23:05.00 | hrw | Bernardo: we (OZ) have 2 days to move feeds outside of sf.net |
| 23:05.02 | RP | hrw: Yes, I think we can be cleaner than that - With SoC 0.6, some of this module order nastiness should go away |
| 23:05.15 | Bernardo | 2 days? Why? |
| 23:05.29 | RP | I also probably have some provider webspace thinking about it... |
| 23:05.36 | hrw | Bernardo: sf.net finally discovered that we are over quota |
| 23:05.48 | hrw | 2049M instead of 100M which was allowed |
| 23:06.01 | Bernardo | ooops |
| 23:06.20 | Bernardo | what about ibiblio? It has lots of failures, but could be a temporary place |
| 23:06.40 | hrw | koen already mirrored oz |
| 23:06.57 | RP | Hmm. 23% of my data transfer this month was for brozoi images... |
| 23:07.55 | Bernardo | ~brozoi |
| 23:08.10 | hrw | Bernardo: borzoi is sl-c3100 |
| 23:08.16 | hrw | ~borzoi |
| 23:08.18 | ibot | it has been said that borzoi is the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) |
| 23:08.32 | Bernardo | the toy I'd like to have... :) |
| 23:08.38 | Bernardo | well, time to go... |
| 23:08.43 | hrw | Bernardo: because its black? |
| 23:09.10 | Bernardo | because it has a 4Gb hd |
| 23:09.16 | Bernardo | my akita doesn't... |
| 23:09.36 | RP | although c7x0 is a smaller neater shape |
| 23:09.52 | hrw | sometimes I want to have simple PDA |
| 23:10.05 | hrw | portrait, does not have to have keyboard even |
| 23:10.32 | Bernardo | I do like te keyboard a lot |
| 23:10.34 | hrw | like ipaq 19xx but with vga (so a bit bigger) |
| 23:10.41 | Bernardo | helps taking notes during meetings |
| 23:11.29 | hrw | Bernardo: how to make a note on Z: take Z from pocket, open case, open screen, push on/off, wait till opie show, wait till TS start working, wait till notes app start working, take note. |
| 23:11.36 | hrw | pen+paper is faster ;( |
| 23:12.04 | RP | hrw: suspend/resume isn't that bad! ;-) |
| 23:12.27 | RP | but yes, I still use a notebook. Mostly as I wipe the Zaurii as frequently :-/ |
| 23:12.28 | Bernardo | hrw: sit down at meeting. Open z. launch iqnotes. open note. start typing. |
| 23:12.41 | Bernardo | hrw: and I type a lot faster than I write |
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| 23:12.59 | hrw | RP: that reminds me one thing: opie alarms not work on my Z (probably I fscked again something) |
| 23:13.09 | hrw | Bernardo: s/iqnotes/opie-notes |
| 23:13.33 | Bernardo | notebook - find pen. find pen that still writes. find correct page. start writing, slowly. |
| 23:13.35 | hrw | opie-notes is flat anyway. |
| 23:13.55 | hrw | Bernardo: I usually use A4 printouts for notes |
| 23:17.45 | Bernardo | I used to do that. with the z, I can now find the notes weeks or months later, with the printouts, I'd usually lose them when I needed them the most |
| 23:19.26 | Bernardo | 'night guys |
| 23:19.44 | hrw | cu Bernardo|zzzzz |
| 23:27.32 | RP | hrw: I'm a bit worried about the alarms, especially as I just pushed all that code... |
| 23:28.30 | hrw | I rarely used them so does not notice that before |
| 23:28.56 | hrw | anyway I fscked my Z again - udev does not started recently |
| 23:30.21 | hrw | maybe soon I will move to 256M / so it will be easier to debug/fix |
| 23:32.58 | hrw | RP: I was suprised when read 2.6.15-rc1 changelog |
| 23:34.10 | RP | hrw: Surprised about what? |
| 23:35.06 | hrw | lot of occurences of two words 'richard purdie' ;) |
| 23:36.04 | RP | hrw: I didn't think I'd done too well this time around. I'm not quite where I wanted to be, patch wise... |
| 23:37.05 | hrw | happens |
| 23:37.26 | hrw | what do you think about pavel machek work? |
| 23:38.08 | RP | hrw: I have mixed feelings about it. He doesn't like getting in and sorting the details, mainly as he is more used to desktops :-/ |
| 23:38.25 | hrw | when I read 'mtd on collie' thread I reminded that few TCX3106 connectors which I have in drawer |
| 23:38.45 | hrw | s/that/those |
| 23:39.18 | RP | He would find a serial lead useful - I couldn't have done my Z work without mine... |
| 23:39.53 | RP | Having said that, he has one which boots which is more than 2.6 did when I started :) |
| 23:40.08 | hrw | ;) |
| 23:40.49 | hrw | that posts where you (and other 2.6/Z tester/devels) wrote 'thats first kernel panic which make me happy' |
| 23:42.09 | RP | Yes, seeing one was quite something as before that it did nothing :) |
| 23:42.17 | RP | back in 2.6.5/2.6.7 :) |
| 23:42.51 | hrw | ok - I'm posting Pavel that I can send him zaurus connector + schematics of cable |
| 23:43.56 | RP | hrw: Better check he can solder first ;-) |
| 23:44.16 | hrw | 'So if you want one (and solding does not scary you) send me your postal' |
| 23:44.44 | hrw | maybe his girlfriend/wife is better on soldering then he is ;) |
| 23:45.25 | hrw | sent |
| 23:45.43 | hrw | with nice random sig.. 'Big Brother watching you' |
| 23:46.24 | RP | :) |
| 23:46.50 | RP | I'm thought of as odd as my desk has had a soldering iron on it since I was about 12... |
| 23:47.58 | hrw | my hands start to shake when I get solder iron |
| 23:48.24 | hrw | and I was in electronics school |
| 23:49.17 | RP | I also did welding evening classes so I could stick the kart back together when I broke it... |
| 23:49.46 | RP | I like electronics but have never been properly taught it... |
| 23:50.31 | hrw | I had 3 welding lessons but noone allowed me to weld then |
| 23:51.02 | hrw | it was in 'technical college' |
| 23:51.16 | hrw | '' as I'm not familiar with english systems of education naming |
| 23:51.56 | RP | That's probably as good a name over here. We used to have tecnical colleges but they're all just colleges now |
| 23:52.09 | RP | technical skills don't seem to be encouraged :-( |
| 23:52.55 | hrw | here in Poland we had primary school, middle school (could be technical college or high school) and then studies |
| 23:53.21 | hrw | few years ago they changed that into other way |
| 23:53.52 | RP | In this area we have primary school, middle school, high school then either sixth form (college but at school) or go to a college |
| 23:54.09 | RP | Some areas have no middle schools and people just go from primary to high school |
| 23:54.15 | hrw | how primary is 6 years (was 8), then grammar/high school (3y), then technical or high (3 or 4) then studies |
| 23:54.34 | hrw | s/^how/now |
| 23:55.36 | hrw | my dictionary on desktop/zaurus have limited amount of words.. and I dont want to get my paper one - my youngest brother will make better usage of it probably as he is learning english in primary school now |
| 23:55.47 | RP | Here its primary (5 or 7), middle (4), high (3 or 5), 6th form/college (2), then univerity for 3/4/longer |
| 23:55.58 | hrw | heh.. in primary I had russian language |
| 23:57.03 | RP | I was taught french for 5 years and german for 7 |
| 23:57.19 | RP | I'm not good at langauges though |
| 23:57.20 | hrw | university or polytechnic for 3-3.5 (engineer or Bachelor) or 5 for Master |
| 23:57.40 | RP | 4 for a masters here |
| 23:57.59 | hrw | I had: 4y of russian, 5.5y english |
| 23:58.36 | hrw | sometimes I understand russian, better with english (especially during last 1.5y when was sitting here on #oe :) |
| 23:58.44 | RP | Your 5.5 years of english is much better than all my french/german by a very long way ;-) |
| 23:59.11 | hrw | on Slovakia (last summer) I suprised my GF with fast reading of slovakian with partially understanding |
| 23:59.43 | hrw | RP: in August I read my first english book and does not use dict (some words got from context) |