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| 20:25.04 | __duncan | 5.12 working ok w patch? |
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| 20:47.05 | Telroth | I'm sure this is being asked a lot, but is there a working build of auctioneer, and if so, which build? |
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| 20:57.52 | Yoshimo | Telroth: do you have issues with it? |
| 20:58.07 | Prism | Was unable to find anything in the forum about a working version of Auctioneer and Wow4.3 |
| 20:58.17 | Prism | anyone have an update? |
| 20:58.44 | Yoshimo | well usually load outdated addons does the trick |
| 20:58.58 | Yoshimo | and you could try beta 5.13 linked in the topic |
| 20:59.01 | Prism | Usually ;) but that is not the case with Auctioneer |
| 20:59.44 | Prism | I did try the latest 5.13.5233 with no luck |
| 21:00.00 | Nechckn | 5.12 will have issues, 5.13 should work - but we did not have a lot of folks to test it. What is happening with 5.13? |
| 21:00.20 | Nechckn | You will have to mark 'load out of date' as Yoshimo noted. |
| 21:00.23 | Prism | Seems like all the boxes are overlapping |
| 21:00.28 | Prism | Correct.. ;) |
| 21:00.44 | Nechckn | And there are no Lua errors? |
| 21:00.56 | Prism | Not at first |
| 21:01.12 | Prism | Sorry it was slow |
| 21:01.19 | Prism | yes the lua error is as follows |
| 21:01.29 | Prism | .Auc-Advanced\Modules\Auc-Util-Appraiser\AprFrame.lua line 2630: |
| 21:01.39 | Prism | attempt to index global 'AuctionDressUpFrame' (a nil value) |
| 21:02.09 | Prism | ...uc-Advanced\Modules\Auc-Util-Appraiser\Appraiser.lua line 503: |
| 21:02.15 | Prism | attempt to compare number with string |
| 21:02.21 | Prism | That is just on load of course |
| 21:02.25 | Nechckn | Paste it into - http://norganna.codepad.org and return the error it lists, please. |
| 21:02.37 | Nechckn | Only really interested in error with ID:1 |
| 21:03.54 | Prism | doing that now |
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| 21:07.40 | Prism | Just submitted the entire error (First one as requested) |
| 21:08.09 | Prism | http://norganna.codepad.org/RfO6XfX7 |
| 21:09.52 | Prism | Not showing the Appraiser tab solves the GUI issues .. |
| 21:12.37 | Nechckn | Odd, did not see anything about that in the notes the other day - they must have changed the darn name between now and then |
| 21:19.56 | Yoshimo | jnwhiteh has said he will run a complete diff on api and stuff tomorrow and post it on wowprogramming |
| 21:21.07 | Nechckn | Yeah, think will be the 'first' have not heard from tek, fox, or any of the other usual suspects |
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| 21:28.49 | Telroth | Nechckn: |
| 21:28.51 | Telroth | issues are thus |
| 21:29.45 | Telroth | AuctionDressUpFrame no longer exists (affecting Appraiser in AprFrame.lua |
| 21:29.49 | Telroth | perhaps renamed |
| 21:29.58 | Nechckn | Yep - do you know what it is now? |
| 21:30.01 | Telroth | and GetAuctionItemInfo() has a new field before minBid |
| 21:30.06 | Telroth | which breaks all scans |
| 21:30.14 | Telroth | Nechckn: No, but I can look it up in a bit |
| 21:30.34 | Telroth | the new field is returning ITEM_LEVEL_ABBR and REQ_LEVEL_ABBR |
| 21:30.36 | Telroth | as strings |
| 21:31.10 | Telroth | I've just thrown it into a _ field, and things seem to be working again. |
| 21:31.15 | Telroth | Not sure what it's used for |
| 21:32.30 | Telroth | that was a fix in Appraiser.lua on line 491 and CoreScan.lua on line 1623 |
| 21:32.46 | Telroth | Not sure what other modules are affected, I haven't used them yet / don't regularly use them |
| 21:34.59 | Telroth | Buying items through Appraiser is broken - no lua errors. It just immediately does a refresh scan. |
| 21:36.12 | Telroth | Posting seems to be working. |
| 21:42.31 | Telroth | Buying auctions normally is also broken |
| 21:42.52 | Telroth | Not sure if this is due to modifications I've made to fix scanning. |
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| 21:46.43 | Jackmandu | Hiya. Anyone else having issues with Auctioneer with the 4.3 patch? |
| 21:47.07 | Yoshimo | yes^^ |
| 21:48.14 | Jackmandu | Thanks. I thought I should check. My addons folder is the dog's breakfast; I was hoping it might just need a wipe and reload. |
| 21:48.23 | Telroth | Nechckn: Yeah, they added a new field between level and minBid in the function signature for GetAuctionItemInfo() |
| 21:51.33 | Telroth | discarding the field and modifying the select() statements everywhere that function is used fixes the usability issues. |
| 21:51.38 | Nechckn | Telroth Appreciate the info, will hopefully have some time to look later tonight. |
| 21:51.46 | Telroth | No problem :) |
| 21:52.42 | Yoshimo | will we sometime soon see zip.norganna.org active again? |
| 21:57.55 | Nechckn | No idea - it is on the todo list, but we are still waiting on wiki access and the public svn, which is the source of 'zip', and a few other things since the migration. |
| 21:59.41 | Nechckn | Know that the business is taking a ton of their time, so 'It shall be, when it is' - or something psuedo-zen-like that. |
| 22:01.53 | Yoshimo | just wondering |
| 22:04.15 | Yoshimo | any idea what this new levelColHeader argument is exactly? |
| 22:07.52 | JoBbZ | omg can we search for item level now? :P |
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| 22:34.31 | danimal | is their an up date for the new patch that came out today?? |
| 22:37.05 | Yoshimo | not yet, even the beta has issues |
| 22:37.21 | danimal | thanks |
| 22:45.48 | Prism | Telroth? |
| 22:45.57 | Telroth | Yes? |
| 22:46.35 | Prism | Think AuctionDressUpFrame is now SideDressUpFrame |
| 22:47.10 | Prism | trying a couple string fixes as well to see if it resolves my initial issue with the GUI |
| 22:47.15 | Telroth | For those interested, here's a temporarily patched version that has working appraiser and auction buying until an official update: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/162360/Auc-Advanced.zip |
| 22:47.23 | Telroth | Prism: I just commeneted it out. |
| 22:47.34 | Telroth | The dress-up frame is hardly necessary, just a nice thing to have. |
| 22:47.52 | Prism | no worries.. I was able to comment it out as well.. Just playing with it at the momment |
| 22:47.59 | bakaberg | <3 |
| 22:47.59 | Telroth | nods. |
| 22:48.27 | bakaberg | pretty much lurking to see how things were progressing but you guys are amazing, thanks telroth! |
| 22:48.32 | Telroth | I'm no official dev, so if you figure out the frame name, Nech or one of them is who you should point it to. |
| 22:49.00 | Telroth | bakaberg: It's just a quick hack to get the basics functioning. |
| 22:49.23 | bakaberg | quick hack makes me rich on patch day :p thanks a lot man |
| 22:51.28 | Yoshimo | who needs all this money anyway :D |
| 22:52.22 | Telroth | well, there's some very nice mounts I'd like to buy |
| 22:52.38 | bakaberg | haha i find playing the AH to be the most fun part of this game, i hoard the gold like a proper goblin >:D |
| 22:52.47 | Telroth | and I don't already have 650K gold lying around |
| 22:52.51 | Telroth | so I need to make it somehow ;) |
| 22:53.17 | Telroth | and yes, it's just plain fun. |
| 22:53.21 | Yoshimo | i love the goblin flirts and jokes :D |
| 22:53.28 | Telroth | for example |
| 22:53.45 | Telroth | buying dust of disappearence from the vendor for 10g and selling it on the Ah for 35g |
| 22:57.30 | bakaberg | can do a lot of that with recipies as well, people don't want to go around to the different vendors so just sell them for 40g more than you bought them for |
| 22:57.46 | Telroth | yup |
| 22:58.16 | Telroth | just sold 40 volcanic potions at 30g each, made them for 7g each. Guess it's time to make some more. |
| 23:02.57 | bakaberg | woo, bought 700 heavenly shards when everyone though the market was gonna crash for them for 50g each, they sellin like hotcakes at 119g :) |
| 23:03.36 | bakaberg | there's not enough maelstroms on the market to affect heavenly prices with shatter. yet. |
| 23:04.10 | Telroth | 200g on my server |
| 23:04.23 | bakaberg | wow crazy |
| 23:04.32 | bakaberg | guess i won't flood the market and see if it goes up |
| 23:04.33 | Telroth | that's up from the 170g norm |
| 23:04.37 | dkalweit | 90g/heavenly and 160g/maelstrom on mine... plenty of people flooding the market with both |
| 23:04.40 | bakaberg | oooh |
| 23:04.54 | Telroth | maelstrom |
| 23:04.56 | Telroth | wait |
| 23:04.58 | dkalweit | ... i stockpiled Maelstroms |
| 23:05.02 | Yoshimo | i never understood market mechanics, and only have 55k ;) |
| 23:05.06 | Telroth | this is not my AH |
| 23:05.17 | bakaberg | hehe |
| 23:05.17 | dkalweit | so sorry, Yoshimo :( |
| 23:05.26 | dkalweit | I have 55k on a lvl1 on Fenris |
| 23:05.40 | bakaberg | you can still make a ton off crafting without knowing mechanics at all |
| 23:05.41 | Nechckn | You all make me feel inadequate... |
| 23:05.43 | Telroth | maelstroms skyrocketed on my server. |
| 23:05.49 | Telroth | 70g -> 300g |
| 23:05.55 | Telroth | wish I thought to stock up on those |
| 23:06.06 | dkalweit | maelstroms and heavenlies were about 90-130g on my server for months... |
| 23:06.23 | bakaberg | yeah, like 70g each on mine |
| 23:06.24 | Telroth | I've got enough gems to feed 3/4s the server for a week though, and I'm personally marking those up a minimum of 3x over normal :) |
| 23:06.37 | dkalweit | I bought most of mine at 85-120g, so if I can sell at 160g or the heavenlies at 90g, I'll be happy-- there just isn't enough demand yet |
| 23:06.38 | bakaberg | haha work it! |
| 23:07.03 | Telroth | profit 5k gold in past 30s yeah! :D |
| 23:07.19 | bakaberg | nice! |
| 23:07.20 | Nechckn | It never fails - whenever a patch comes where you can really make a killing by stockpiling goodies, work gets busy and I end up hearing of these glorious payouts. heheheh But, c'est la vie! |
| 23:07.35 | Telroth | I'm so happy that even the bads know how bad it is to run around with empty gem sockets |
| 23:08.01 | dkalweit | chaos orbs on my server are already down to 100g/ea |
| 23:08.04 | Telroth | Nechckn: yeah, I've been doing this long enough that I always have a constant stockpile for times like this |
| 23:08.15 | Telroth | but I always hear afterwards on what I missed out on |
| 23:08.20 | Telroth | and it makes me sad :( |
| 23:08.25 | Telroth | like maelstroms right now |
| 23:10.29 | bakaberg | i undercut competitors on enchants for so long that the market is mine now bwahaha. made ~25k so far today. dunno why gold makes me so happy haha |
| 23:11.05 | dkalweit | the new icon for scrolls of enchant will confuse me for at least weeks |
| 23:12.16 | Telroth | 50K in the last hour (as in, still waiting on it to go from AH to mailbox |
| 23:12.48 | dkalweit | nice... what you selling? |
| 23:13.30 | Telroth | gems :) |
| 23:13.45 | Telroth | around 40-50 different cuts |
| 23:14.00 | dkalweit | ah; I tried my hand at those back in the day; just seemed like so much work, so I never stuck with it |
| 23:14.15 | dkalweit | same with glyphs... |
| 23:14.20 | Telroth | it takes a bit to get into the game, but once you understand it, auctioneer makes it painless |
| 23:14.26 | Yoshimo | guess i need to invest some more time in chars and understanding the ah |
| 23:14.50 | dkalweit | I recently added auctionator to my toolkit as well-- I find it useful for cancelling undercut auctions so I can re-post(nothing like that in auctioneer that I know of) |
| 23:15.02 | Telroth | I usually sit down for 10 minutes before raid, check which cuts have less than 5 total between my bags and active auctions, cut more until I get up to 5, batchpost |
| 23:15.02 | dkalweit | ..I use that for reselling pets mostly |
| 23:15.17 | Telroth | Aye, I would kill for that. |
| 23:15.28 | Telroth | I usually am not that agressive, though that's partly because it's too much work |
| 23:16.07 | dkalweit | Auctionator makes it mostly painless; combined with Postal to sweep your mailbox, it's pretty quick |
| 23:16.17 | Telroth | Yeah, postal is a must |
| 23:16.56 | Nechckn | Yeah, we have never had the undercut "checking" - but Cancellator, by GhostfromTexas does a great job no matter the other AddOn(s) for the task. |
| 23:17.46 | Telroth | Where's the best place to provide a feature request, then? |
| 23:17.48 | dkalweit | I was happy to see Auctioneer and Auctionator co-exist so well, honestly |
| 23:18.00 | Nechckn | The whole idea is to be able to price things where you get the most benefit for your buck, not necessarily be the 'walmart'. But some folks do that, too, which is fine, but it is not something we would add internally. |
| 23:18.42 | Telroth | I would want something that cancels if I'm undercut by <5g, and buys out if undercut by more than 5g, or something to that effect. |
| 23:18.47 | Nechckn | Especially with that and a few others that have been out over time, you can use them to do it fairly seemlessly. |
| 23:18.59 | dkalweit | the thing is, certain markets have low enough volume, if you're not ALWAYS the cheapest, you'll never sell... Yet the profit margin is huge enough that you can easily afford cancellation fees, etc... Pets for example-- 40s to purchase, 20-80G/ea sale price... |
| 23:19.01 | Yoshimo | why not? auctioneer has so many submodules that an undercutmodule wouldnt hurt |
| 23:20.18 | dkalweit | ..selling high priced epics is another item that many would want it on-- the volume is low, but the invested gold is high, so most would want to make sure they're lowest at all times-- not for the 5min after it's posted |
| 23:20.21 | Telroth | The thing I always liked about Auctioneer is it allows me to tweak so many different variables that it's fully automatic, or close to it. |
| 23:21.00 | Nechckn | That is basically what Cancelator is - if you want to drop down, then you can use it or Auctionator or whatever. Just not something we would add to the main package, is all. |
| 23:21.02 | Telroth | I'll certainly look into the other alternatives, but the draw to an Auctioneer module is I know you guys wouldn't hide away anything, and actually let me have access to all the variables I need to fully automate it. |
| 23:22.55 | Nechckn | We get more than enough hate mail about killing prices and markets, without including that exact function - and now we have barely enough time to maintain what we have, let alone adding more. |
| 23:23.17 | Telroth | Thats... surprising. Hate mail? WTF? |
| 23:23.50 | Yoshimo | lol |
| 23:23.52 | dkalweit | sour grapes |
| 23:24.06 | dkalweit | everyone has equal access to these tools... :) |
| 23:24.15 | Nechckn | Yeah, "This bot crap ruins MMOs" "You all cost us cash" etc - even though we make the everything to do the same available elsewhere. |
| 23:24.29 | Telroth | well, no dkalweit |
| 23:24.36 | Telroth | Yes, everyone can obtain them |
| 23:24.43 | Yoshimo | bot? i think those people got that totally wrong^^ |
| 23:24.44 | Nechckn | Just one less thing to be hassled about, really... |
| 23:24.46 | Telroth | but you can't use them without time to learn them |
| 23:25.05 | Telroth | so I wouldn't say equal access, as people don't want to spend the time. |
| 23:25.12 | Telroth | but I wouldn't say it destroys markets. |
| 23:25.18 | Telroth | markets stabilize at market price |
| 23:25.47 | Nechckn | It used to be much, much worse - it has been a while now since anything new has sprung up, thankfully. |
| 23:25.53 | dkalweit | addons don't destroy markets, **I** destroy markets ;) |
| 23:25.57 | Nechckn | knocks on wood. |
| 23:26.07 | Telroth | agrees with dkalweit ;D |
| 23:26.22 | Yoshimo | auctioneer has so much stuff, is there a comprehensive guide on how to destroy markets? ;) |
| 23:26.37 | Telroth | I suppose the real reasons gems are selling at 250g each are because I bought out all the ones that were cheaper and then posted mine *innocent* |
| 23:26.41 | dkalweit | anyone else have items damaged on their bank toons? I never do any fighting, so shouldn't have any durability damage, but some BOE's I have have durability loss |
| 23:26.59 | Telroth | dkalweit: have you ever taken a spirit res? |
| 23:27.03 | Yoshimo | they updated durability on a few items, maybe a side effekt |
| 23:27.04 | Telroth | that damages all items |
| 23:27.15 | Telroth | even non-equipped |
| 23:27.22 | dkalweit | Yosh, that must be it; both are 75/80, and unequipped boe's |
| 23:27.24 | Nechckn | The wiki has a decent starter guide, with strategies and such, and there are links to a few external sites with "how to" walk throughs. But not to quite destroy them... =) |
| 23:27.29 | dkalweit | ...gotta go repair them to post |
| 23:27.43 | Telroth | had fun running back and forth to the armor man while trying to stuff items into void storage |
| 23:27.55 | Telroth | so much of my stuff was missing random dura |
| 23:28.03 | Nechckn | They likely adjusted some base quality numbers again |
| 23:28.06 | Telroth | mostly because I don't repair my gear before upgrading it |
| 23:28.11 | Telroth | so it getss forgotten |
| 23:28.32 | bakaberg | when i logged on my chefs hat had 0 durability... what's up with that? |
| 23:28.50 | Nechckn | A couple patches back we had tons of WTF messages when blizz equalized cloth/leather/mail/plate |
| 23:29.24 | Nechckn | Would not be surprised if they did not make some adjustments - but dunno for sure. |
| 23:30.00 | Nechckn | Okay, back to work, so I can actually get out of here some time soon. Will drop in some tickets for the issues you noted earlier guys - appreciate all the help/input! |
| 23:30.18 | Telroth | No problem! |
| 23:31.17 | Yoshimo | we will get back to that after eu realms are back up Nechckn ;) |