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| 15:21.06 | Chris62vw | so I need help with how I use auctioneer |
| 15:21.25 | Chris62vw | I spam the market with rare gems, and my goal is to be the lowest seller for virtually every gem |
| 15:21.36 | Chris62vw | I pretty much use appraiser to list gems |
| 15:21.56 | Chris62vw | what would be handy is for me to tell when I am NOT the lowest seller for an item that I have up on the AH |
| 15:22.07 | Chris62vw | so I don't have to look at every single one of my auctions. is there a way to do that? |
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| 17:51.27 | JoBbZ | I just put one up in the auction tab, and look at all the other auctions it has recorded from the scan. |
| 17:59.42 | Chris62vw | I want auctioneer to tell me what auctions I'm not the lowest seller on; any easy way to do that? |
| 18:07.42 | JoBbZ | no |
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| 18:11.50 | Nechckn | Chris62vw One of our devs makes a separate product that will do that, though. |
| 18:12.14 | Nechckn | It will even queue the items to cancel, if you so desire - Cancellator over on Curse.com |
| 18:12.42 | Nechckn | works just fine with Auctioneer, too |
| 18:13.50 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.21 | Chris62vw | Nechckn, thanks! :-) |
| 21:42.42 | Chris62vw | I am so installing that right now |
| 21:43.14 | Nechckn | You can also see your own auctions in Appraiser, by selecting the Auctions checkbox and then clicking through 'em. |
| 21:43.32 | Chris62vw | that's what I currently do, and it just takes too long |
| 21:43.36 | Nechckn | But, most people want to cancel for whatever reason, so that is what it is for. |
| 21:46.33 | Chris62vw | well, I like this |
| 21:46.42 | Chris62vw | but I don't see how it lets me cancel auctions where I am not the lowest price seller |
| 21:46.52 | Chris62vw | I still have to go and determine that on my own |
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| 21:50.22 | Nechckn | one second |
| 21:51.18 | Chris62vw | thanks |
| 21:51.50 | mattbnr | hello |
| 21:57.32 | Nechckn | Okay, so the only thing that will specifically look for "undercuts" is Quickauction |
| 21:57.49 | Nechckn | But, the no bids will work for most folks. |
| 21:58.24 | Nechckn | Not sure if he plans to add in the undercut option, specifically, or not. |
| 21:58.37 | mattbnr | in cancelator? |
| 21:58.45 | Nechckn | yes |
| 21:59.35 | Nechckn | Undercutting wars can be really, really evil - and kill your profits, so be very careful no matter what. |
| 22:00.04 | Nechckn | Have seen what used to be a great Glyph market on numerous servers completely tank to be not even worth bothering. |
| 22:00.26 | mattbnr | *my server is like that* |
| 22:00.36 | mattbnr | glyphs arent worth shit now. i cant even sell them for 1g each now. |
| 22:00.41 | Chris62vw | I am taking part in one right now, and I make bank |
| 22:00.43 | mattbnr | not even worth making them. |
| 22:00.47 | Nechckn | Not so much with other professions, for some reason. Still not sure of why that is. I think it was a rush of people looking for insta-cash, only to get little to nothing. |
| 22:00.56 | Chris62vw | I like beating people down and making them realize I won't go away |
| 22:00.59 | mattbnr | i still do pretty well disenchanting |
| 22:01.28 | mattbnr | and how do you do that chris |
| 22:01.43 | Chris62vw | well, I just sit around all day and as soon as they undercut me, I undercut them |
| 22:01.43 | jpmorgan | matt - i do really well with glyphs. part of the model is to buyout everything available for < 1.5g |
| 22:01.47 | Chris62vw | eventually they give up and go away |
| 22:01.47 | Nechckn | Well, there is nothing wrong with doing it to a certain point, but all you need is a third person to move their gaze toward your given area, and then all of both people's inventory gets snapped up. |
| 22:02.04 | jpmorgan | relisting them at 99 when there is no competition |
| 22:02.08 | Chris62vw | if you're faster than the other guy, you win :-) |
| 22:02.20 | mattbnr | buy everything below 1g 50s and relist them at 99g? |
| 22:02.28 | Chris62vw | I would be very happy if I could cancel auctions on the appraiser tab. that would rule |
| 22:02.38 | Chris62vw | I've done that matt :-) |
| 22:02.39 | Nechckn | You are not on my servers, then, Chris62vw. Just saying. But, whatever works for you. |
| 22:02.48 | Chris62vw | Nechckn, yeah exactly |
| 22:03.08 | jpmorgan | yah. and during those times that the competion if out there buying mats, keeping the AH empty of herbs |
| 22:03.20 | cut | i use QuickAuctions for posting glyphs |
| 22:03.30 | mattbnr | i use glypher + calcelator |
| 22:03.41 | mattbnr | cancelator |
| 22:03.48 | jpmorgan | i dont bother with canceling either, i just list a new wave of undercuts every once in a while |
| 22:04.10 | cut | glypher never creates as many glyphs as i would like.. so i have pretty much stopped using it also |
| 22:04.13 | jpmorgan | so for ex, i snuff the low end with a massive buy out. then there are no glyphs of type X on the market |
| 22:04.17 | jpmorgan | so i list 3 at 99 |
| 22:04.27 | jpmorgan | a few hours later someone undercuts at 30g |
| 22:04.30 | mattbnr | and they dont sell |
| 22:04.39 | jpmorgan | when i post my next batch, i put 3 more out there at 29.99 |
| 22:04.41 | jpmorgan | and so on |
| 22:04.48 | Chris62vw | I often just make more gems and undercut, but then I have tons of gems that don't stack :-( |
| 22:04.52 | jpmorgan | i sell a ton of 99g glyphs |
| 22:04.53 | cut | jpmorgan: but then you get slammed with like 10 of the same glyph |
| 22:05.22 | jpmorgan | oh i usually throw away any glyphs i have over 20 |
| 22:05.24 | jpmorgan | to preserve space |
| 22:05.41 | cut | i only ever post a max of 2, and cancel/undercut every couple of hours |
| 22:05.48 | cut | and create a new batch in the morning and evening |
| 22:05.57 | jpmorgan | i have 3 alts that sell, so i have enough to carry every possible glyph easily |
| 22:06.17 | mattbnr | so with all the messing around you do how much do you pull in on a average day |
| 22:06.29 | mattbnr | total profit after you buy all your mats/ parchemtn etc. |
| 22:06.36 | jpmorgan | relisting often enough and posting enough combine to make competing with you a pain |
| 22:06.42 | cut | if i undercut every two hours, all day, i can pull in 2k+ |
| 22:06.48 | jpmorgan | 2-3k/day |
| 22:06.53 | cut | i make so much gold i dont even consider buying herbs as an expense |
| 22:06.54 | jpmorgan | sometimes more |
| 22:06.56 | jpmorgan | or less |
| 22:07.11 | Chris62vw | I used to make up to 4k on a busy day by selling gems. now it's 1k, I don't mess with epics much, just rares |
| 22:07.12 | mattbnr | and how long do you spend at the ah in a given day |
| 22:07.21 | jpmorgan | i do quite well selling darkmoon cards too with the extras herbing |
| 22:07.44 | cut | it takes like 5 or 10 minutes to scan and create a new batch, depending how many need to be made |
| 22:07.44 | jpmorgan | i only craft once a week or so. as for listing, maybe 2 or 3 times a day at ~10m |
| 22:07.52 | cut | and it takes another 5 minutes to cancel/undercut |
| 22:07.58 | jpmorgan | right now im positng a wave for ex. |
| 22:08.25 | mattbnr | it takes longer then 10m to craft a batch of glyphs. |
| 22:08.36 | jpmorgan | buying out lowball glyphs is fun because people often get into undercut fights and start posting stuff at below their own cost |
| 22:08.46 | cut | i use 1 alt to sell, and always have about 200-250 auctions up, with about 120 unique glyphs, that are higher sale price than 15g |
| 22:09.18 | jpmorgan | crafting takes a while, wwhich is why i dont do it. i use ktq to build a queue and lil sparky to autobuy the mats. then i click for a long time while i do something else on another machine |
| 22:09.55 | jpmorgan | i recently adjusted my selling strat to not even bother posting when current listings are below 9g |
| 22:10.11 | cut | ya same.. i dont post below 5g |
| 22:10.13 | jpmorgan | so i sell alot less in terms of volume but my profit margin is way up and i dont spend much time crafting junk |
| 22:10.19 | mattbnr | i post everything between 1g and 5g |
| 22:10.23 | cut | and only craft higher than 15g |
| 22:10.39 | mattbnr | i dont even craft anymore. i just buy all the low priced glyphs and resell them |
| 22:11.01 | jpmorgan | in short, i got a fairly large chunk of my servers glyph market with a few dogged competitors. people entering the market usually get nowhere |
| 22:11.21 | cut | i have a max cap also.. some asshats like to post at like 110 or 120g and thats absurd.. so above 95g it will reset back to my default price of 79g |
| 22:11.45 | jpmorgan | i like 99g. selling 5 glyphs of revenge for 99g makes me smile :) |
| 22:11.50 | jpmorgan | 99g each that is |
| 22:12.15 | cut | its nice to hear that glyph prices are out of control on other servers also |
| 22:12.30 | mattbnr | i couldnt sell a glyph at 99g to save my life |
| 22:12.38 | mattbnr | my glyph market is flooded right now. |
| 22:12.44 | jpmorgan | auctionator is a nice addon for buying out herbs too |
| 22:12.51 | jpmorgan | that and the snatch module in auctioneer |
| 22:12.54 | jpmorgan | i use both |
| 22:12.57 | mattbnr | there is at least 15 of every glyph up on the ah from price ranging from 99g to less then 1g |
| 22:13.12 | cut | i use auctioneer milling scan, and buy up every northrend herb that is lower than 50s |
| 22:13.20 | jpmorgan | yah thats why i dont even mess with the "cheap" glyphs any more |
| 22:13.38 | mattbnr | every glyph is a cheap glyph now |
| 22:13.41 | jpmorgan | i make less cashflow but my time spent crafting and whatnot is drastically reduced too |
| 22:13.44 | mattbnr | the prices are crap now |
| 22:14.09 | mattbnr | the ones that are priced 99g are jsut the over priced glyphs no one wants |
| 22:14.18 | jpmorgan | i guess my server is a backwater or something. i just listed ~300 glyphs and they all had prices over 9.99g |
| 22:14.59 | mattbnr | jsut cause you list something for 9g doesnt mean it will sell for 9g |
| 22:15.11 | mattbnr | i coudl post all mine for 100g but that doesnt mean they will sell |
| 22:15.16 | jpmorgan | if i list it, it means that my price is the lowest |
| 22:15.23 | cut | it will sell as long as you are the lowest price available :) |
| 22:15.32 | jpmorgan | but i wont list it unless i can post it for more then 9.99g make sense? |
| 22:15.32 | cut | hence the undercutting every couple of hours |
| 22:15.49 | jpmorgan | canceling is a waste of time |
| 22:16.01 | cut | i have all my undercutters on my buddy list too heheh |
| 22:16.07 | jpmorgan | i just post more if the price model merits it. ie: still over 9.99g min |
| 22:16.29 | cut | imo glypher tries to be too technical and scientific |
| 22:16.48 | cut | max gold = carpet bomb every glyph above a certain threshhold |
| 22:16.49 | mattbnr | how you figure that one? |
| 22:16.57 | jpmorgan | agree w cut |
| 22:17.23 | mattbnr | its already like that |
| 22:17.28 | mattbnr | you have a max price and amin price |
| 22:17.50 | jpmorgan | say 99g max and 9.99g min |
| 22:18.02 | mattbnr | ok |
| 22:18.12 | jpmorgan | if no glyph is listed post at max |
| 22:18.18 | mattbnr | it will undercut down to your given price |
| 22:18.23 | mattbnr | yep it does that |
| 22:18.29 | jpmorgan | if competitor has a listing of a glyph, is it over your min? then post an undercut |
| 22:18.38 | mattbnr | no com= max price comp= down to min price |
| 22:18.42 | jpmorgan | if its below 9.99g, skip it |
| 22:18.45 | mattbnr | yep it does that |
| 22:18.50 | mattbnr | yep already there |
| 22:19.06 | jpmorgan | and in extreme cases when people post at below their material cost (about 1.5g) then i often just vacuum up all the inventory |
| 22:19.42 | cut | i think what i meant to say.. was that glypher was trying to be too technical during the "what glyphs to create" phase |
| 22:19.42 | jpmorgan | for every 50 glyphs i buyout at <2g, i just have to sell 1 at 99 to cover my investment |
| 22:20.01 | jpmorgan | yah i use ktq and just make sure i have 20 of everything in stock |
| 22:20.39 | jpmorgan | pricing is too tied to availability to model with any accuracy |
| 22:20.42 | mattbnr | as in how cut |
| 22:21.05 | mattbnr | it uses prices of the glyph and the prices of the mats |
| 22:21.13 | cut | when i was using glypher.. it would suggest like 5 or 10 glyphs to put in to the lil sparky queue.. like 5g-30g |
| 22:21.19 | mattbnr | which are good to figure into the total cost of a item i think |
| 22:21.22 | jpmorgan | but glyph prices are all over the map so thats failureprone |
| 22:21.23 | cut | but there was many many glyphs that were higher price than that |
| 22:21.48 | mattbnr | perhaps you didnt have it set up correctly? mine suggests abotu every glyph in my book |
| 22:21.55 | jpmorgan | anyway, i have to run an errand. i'll jump back on later to continue this if u are still around |
| 22:22.20 | cut | i probably didnt have it set up correctly.. there was so many slider bars |
| 22:22.42 | cut | i could change a couple of bars around and get it to suggest a couple extra glyphs sometimes.. but it wasnt efficent |
| 22:22.55 | mattbnr | i think it works pretty good now. its all color coded |
| 22:23.01 | mattbnr | if you have it set up wrong it turns red |
| 22:23.06 | mattbnr | or yellow |
| 22:23.10 | cut | i'll get the newest version and give it a try |
| 22:24.42 | mattbnr | so you manually go through every glyph and buy everything below 1g 50s? that takes forever |
| 22:25.01 | cut | i dont bother with buying up low price glyphs, or posting glyphs below 5g |
| 22:25.30 | mattbnr | how long do you post your glyphs for? |
| 22:25.33 | mattbnr | 12 hours? |
| 22:25.42 | cut | 24 hours, but i undercut at least 3 times a day |
| 22:25.47 | jpmorgan | matt - nah just use the general search tool in auctioneer |
| 22:25.55 | jpmorgan | search for glyph of at any price below 1.xg |
| 22:25.57 | cut | so the only ones that expire are the 5g ones that have been undercut by someone < 5g |
| 22:26.00 | jpmorgan | ok out the door |
| 22:26.00 | mattbnr | never used the general searcher. i hate it |
| 22:26.45 | cut | and then those ones just sit in my bags until the price goes back up above 5g, or until i get tired of it being in there and throw it away |
| 22:27.04 | mattbnr | do you use glypherpost? |
| 22:27.09 | cut | no |
| 22:27.19 | cut | i use QuickAuctions to cancel/post |
| 22:27.21 | mattbnr | what do you use to post? |
| 22:27.25 | mattbnr | oh eww |
| 22:27.31 | mattbnr | tried that didnt like it at all |
| 22:27.41 | cut | it's like 1 click to cancel, and 1 click to post hehe |
| 22:27.44 | mattbnr | i got auctionator/auctioneer right now |
| 22:28.03 | mattbnr | i coudlnt get it set up. if i cant get the addon set up within 30 min i give up. so it was out |
| 22:28.17 | mattbnr | it was all blank so yeah |
| 22:28.22 | cut | getting the glyphs in to quickauctions is a major pain in the butt |
| 22:28.29 | cut | you have to enter them one at a time |
| 22:28.54 | cut | so i got Acik's Recipe List.. it has a export feature that makes a list of the recipes that you own |
| 22:28.55 | mattbnr | yeha see i aitn gonna do that |
| 22:29.01 | cut | a CSV list |
| 22:29.19 | cut | so i modified Acik's to get it to export exactly the info i needed about each glyph |
| 22:29.44 | cut | and then i wrote a php script to read the CSV, and generate a proper LUA config file for MarketWatcher |
| 22:30.05 | cut | MW is what i use to get it to show all glyphs over 15g |
| 22:30.29 | mattbnr | wayyyy too much work |
| 22:30.38 | mattbnr | is that a addon? |
| 22:30.51 | cut | MarketWatcher? |
| 22:31.09 | mattbnr | yeah |
| 22:31.28 | cut | ya.. it generates nice graphs about the ongoing prices of whatever items you are watching |
| 22:31.37 | mattbnr | oh i might have to check that out |
| 22:31.40 | cut | but that uses alot of memory so i dont let it make graphs or record history |
| 22:31.45 | mattbnr | i like fun new addons to mess with |
| 22:31.56 | cut | i just use it strictly for showing me glyphs that are higher than XXg |
| 22:32.15 | cut | and then i use Altoholic tooltip to figure out what i have in stock on the alt |
| 22:32.46 | mattbnr | love alt |
| 22:32.49 | cut | MW hooks up to lil sparky's also |
| 22:32.50 | mattbnr | great addon |
| 22:32.54 | mattbnr | nice |
| 22:32.59 | mattbnr | ill ahve to get that |
| 22:33.02 | cut | you cant queue with it.. but it is 1 click to create a glyph |
| 22:33.33 | mattbnr | i got lil sparky its great |
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| 22:46.07 | mattbnr | nice i just used the general searcher. thats awesome!!!! |
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| 23:14.05 | wario | great! now get a job and a haircut |
| 23:16.07 | mattbnr | i like my hair |
| 23:16.17 | mattbnr | i got a job and i own my own home based business |
| 23:34.40 | Chris62vw | ahh, finally. the two people I was battling left |
| 23:37.49 | mattbnr | i keep dropping from the servers for no apperant reason |
| 23:38.22 | mattbnr | maybe instead of the ah ill just level |
| 23:38.25 | mattbnr | how boring |
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