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| 01:38.36 | JoBbZ | just 2 cores |
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| 02:10.13 | JoBbZ | it's some old AMD dual core chip |
| 02:10.25 | JoBbZ | but for whatever reason, my AH processing is lightyears faster today after the patch |
| 02:12.25 | JoBbZ | hm, the only downside I see to skillet is I don't get my AH price data on enchants |
| 02:12.28 | JoBbZ | with ATSW, there is some plugin that shows me what the general price is I should charge for a given enchant vs its materials cost |
| 02:12.38 | JoBbZ | so it helped me figure out profitable scrolls to make |
| 02:12.43 | JoBbZ | I don't see that displayed in skillet |
| 02:13.04 | Weltmeister | skillet with lsw should show it (might require an alt key or some clickery) |
| 02:13.14 | JoBbZ | ah ok |
| 02:13.20 | Nechckn | You can use either Prof-It, on our forums, or Lil' sparky's workshop |
| 02:13.20 | JoBbZ | yeah, LSW is what I have |
| 02:13.27 | Nechckn | lol, as that Weltmeister was saying. |
| 02:13.37 | JoBbZ | right... but I don'ts ee the data in skillet, so it must be some key press |
| 02:13.39 | kdtresh | <3 Nechckn. |
| 02:13.43 | JoBbZ | which it wasn't in ATSW :P |
| 02:13.44 | Weltmeister | and as Nechckn said, prof-it is pretty nice :) |
| 02:13.47 | JoBbZ | so I'll have to figure out what it is |
| 02:13.50 | JoBbZ | hm |
| 02:13.51 | kdtresh | <3 Weltmeister too XD |
| 02:13.53 | JoBbZ | can you have both? :P |
| 02:14.01 | Nechckn | you can, yes |
| 02:14.12 | Weltmeister | not both atsw and skillet afaik |
| 02:14.19 | JoBbZ | no, I'm dropping ATSW |
| 02:14.22 | JoBbZ | i meant prof-it and lsw |
| 02:14.23 | JoBbZ | ;) |
| 02:14.23 | Weltmeister | but both lsw and prof-it yes |
| 02:14.24 | kdtresh | prof-it is a separate window, it doesn't modify the default ui |
| 02:14.45 | Nechckn | that ^^ =) |
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| 02:16.30 | JoBbZ | ok, thanks |
| 02:16.34 | JoBbZ | I'll check out prof-it too |
| 02:16.34 | JoBbZ | ;) |
| 02:19.06 | JoBbZ | i hope someone revives cartographer... it's annoying to be in an instance and just get teh world map when I press the map key. At least I've got atlas too |
| 02:19.38 | kdtresh | does mapster do it? |
| 02:20.18 | Nechckn | Very, very unlikely re: cart. So, something like mapster or even Carbonite, if you disable all the other crap that runs. |
| 02:20.21 | kdtresh | i've been using mapster + cromulent since cartographer went tango-union |
| 02:20.27 | JoBbZ | mapster doesn't, no |
| 02:20.36 | JoBbZ | yeah, i use mapster + cromulent |
| 02:20.46 | kdtresh | i have instance maps |
| 02:20.48 | Nechckn | kdtresh I trhied that but didn't like it for some rason. |
| 02:21.01 | kdtresh | they even show player locations |
| 02:21.06 | Nechckn | Kandoko talked me into trying carbonite - and I really, really like it. |
| 02:21.07 | kdtresh | i think wow has it built in, at least for some dungeons |
| 02:21.07 | JoBbZ | huh |
| 02:21.18 | JoBbZ | hm, i've been running old instances |
| 02:21.26 | JoBbZ | like ZF, stocks, deadmines |
| 02:22.18 | kdtresh | i haven't run any older stuff |
| 02:22.33 | kdtresh | but all the northrend stuff appears to be working |
| 02:23.11 | kdtresh | Nechckn: what didn't you like about mapster and/or cromulent? |
| 02:23.29 | kdtresh | (not that i have any vested interested in the widespread use of either) |
| 02:24.28 | JoBbZ | ok grabbing prof-it |
| 02:24.42 | JoBbZ | kdtresh: Will you have an official website for it eventually? |
| 02:24.53 | kdtresh | if i get a user base of more than 5, maybe ;) |
| 02:25.23 | kdtresh | it's not on curse or anything yet, if people think it's worthwhile, i'll get it up there |
| 02:25.37 | kdtresh | it's not nearly as polished as things like lsw and atsw or glypher |
| 02:25.54 | kdtresh | but it seems pretty useful to me so far |
| 02:26.09 | kdtresh | i'm up to about 1500g on my lv10 scribe |
| 02:26.26 | JoBbZ | I wonder if it'll do the same thing skillet does when I open up recipe radar |
| 02:26.33 | JoBbZ | cool |
| 02:26.35 | kdtresh | what does skillet do? |
| 02:26.38 | JoBbZ | I'm at -2000g so far |
| 02:26.43 | JoBbZ | for my enchanter |
| 02:26.46 | JoBbZ | and counting :P |
| 02:26.58 | kdtresh | mattbnr was making money off random enchants |
| 02:26.58 | JoBbZ | so getting that into +'s would be nice |
| 02:27.24 | kdtresh | prof-it will calculate the value for enchants in money mode via scrolls |
| 02:27.43 | kdtresh | it doesn't take into account things like listing fees or AH cuts, and it always uses vellum 3 though |
| 02:27.47 | kdtresh | even for low-level enchants |
| 02:28.08 | kdtresh | if i find a good way to determine the cheapest vellum an enchant can use, i can always change it |
| 02:28.15 | JoBbZ | cool |
| 02:28.22 | JoBbZ | isn't it by level restriction? |
| 02:28.28 | JoBbZ | 3 only does level60+ enchants |
| 02:28.30 | JoBbZ | 2 does 35+ |
| 02:28.33 | JoBbZ | basic does none |
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| 02:31.05 | kdtresh | yeah, but i don't know if the api returns that info from an enchant |
| 02:31.10 | JoBbZ | assuming you can query that from the enchant api |
| 02:31.10 | JoBbZ | heh |
| 02:31.13 | JoBbZ | exactly :P |
| 02:31.13 | kdtresh | from a tradeskill item |
| 02:31.30 | kdtresh | i figure at least for now, i'm happy that i can actually get scroll info >< |
| 02:32.15 | kdtresh | it works for my 450 enchanter, but i don't have all the enchants, so my data may not be complete |
| 02:32.18 | Weltmeister | if the api doesn't return it, perhaps it can be parsed from the description |
| 02:32.34 | kdtresh | worst case, i can add more to my static data |
| 02:32.54 | kdtresh | but maybe vellum 3 is cheaper than vellum 2, so i'd want to use vellum 3 |
| 02:33.07 | kdtresh | vellum 3 should work for everything, so it's the default for now |
| 02:33.23 | kdtresh | like i said, if i can find a good and easy way to get more specific, i will |
| 02:33.41 | Weltmeister | that's reasonable so long as users know of the assumption as they can then compensate or might score the lower vellums cheaper |
| 02:33.53 | kdtresh | true |
| 02:34.02 | JoBbZ | 3 costs more than all others on my servers |
| 02:34.04 | JoBbZ | 100g/20 |
| 02:34.06 | JoBbZ | 5g each |
| 02:34.13 | JoBbZ | and that's at 77% normal price |
| 02:34.16 | JoBbZ | which I managed to grab today |
| 02:34.26 | kdtresh | my user base is probably 5 right now, so as it goes up, i'll have more people yelling at me to fix it ;) |
| 02:35.01 | JoBbZ | heh |
| 02:35.04 | JoBbZ | well, you've added one |
| 02:35.06 | kdtresh | in the end, i hope i'm able to determine the cheapest vellum that will work for a given enchant |
| 02:35.07 | JoBbZ | I'll give you feedback ;) |
| 02:35.16 | kdtresh | yes please, gimme gimme gimme! |
| 02:35.32 | kdtresh | and ty again, welt, for the coroutine |
| 02:35.58 | kdtresh | it chugs for a bit, but i was able to get a progress indicator so it's not freezing like it was |
| 02:36.22 | kdtresh | of course, after the patch, vellum wasn't in my cache, so it was barfing until i scanned |
| 02:36.36 | kdtresh | next version will have error checking for it |
| 02:36.43 | Weltmeister | my pleasure - I borrowed most of it from somewhere else in auctioneer, but made it work (I think I added the error handling, and maybe a few other pieces, but I won't take credit for any of it since I can't remember) |
| 02:36.45 | kdtresh | but it's hard to find that stuff when it's working happily |
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| 04:00.02 | frontendloader | is it possible that in a future version of auctioneer you'll be able to queue up multiple general-type searchers? |
| 04:00.49 | JoBbZ | hm, so when combined with recipe radar, it opens up when I open it |
| 04:00.52 | JoBbZ | but so does skillet |
| 04:00.56 | JoBbZ | so I can't tell if it's because skillet opened |
| 04:01.02 | JoBbZ | or because it's triggering on the same thing that skillet is |
| 04:03.13 | Weltmeister | JoBbZ, too many "it's" |
| 04:03.23 | JoBbZ | heh |
| 04:03.24 | JoBbZ | prof-it |
| 04:03.30 | JoBbZ | opens up when I open recipe radar |
| 04:03.32 | JoBbZ | but so does skillet |
| 04:03.39 | Weltmeister | frontendloader, I don't understand your question, but I'm sure that someone here is more sober than I am |
| 04:03.52 | JoBbZ | so I'm not sure if prof-it is opening because skillet opened or if prof-it is getting triggered by the same thing skillet is |
| 04:03.56 | JoBbZ | it's an annoying bheavior :P |
| 04:03.58 | Weltmeister | as far as I know, prof-it triggers on opening your skill window |
| 04:03.59 | JoBbZ | right now I'll blame skillet |
| 04:04.05 | JoBbZ | yeah, but I'm not opening it ;) |
| 04:04.10 | JoBbZ | and that's the same thing skillet is supposed to do |
| 04:04.26 | Weltmeister | I blame "it" whatever it is |
| 04:04.28 | JoBbZ | I already know skillet opens itself up when I open recipe radar, and it is the skill window at this point |
| 04:04.36 | JoBbZ | I'm not opening a skill window ;) |
| 04:04.55 | JoBbZ | just loading recipe radar... whatever it does, makes skillet open, and I think that is what is making prof-it open |
| 04:05.06 | Weltmeister | recipe radar yeah sounds like "it" lol |
| 04:05.13 | JoBbZ | ;) |
| 04:05.22 | JoBbZ | recipe radar doesn't open a skill window though |
| 04:06.01 | Weltmeister | it might access the window but magically tell the window to not open....would have to look at the code to figure it out |
| 04:06.25 | Weltmeister | so recipe radar causes prof-it to open when you access it? |
| 04:06.56 | Weltmeister | (the last it in this case = recipe radar) |
| 04:07.01 | JoBbZ | yeah |
| 04:07.06 | JoBbZ | but it also causes skillet to open when I open it |
| 04:07.10 | JoBbZ | it did not cause ATSW to open when I opened it |
| 04:07.19 | JoBbZ | now, skillet is my trade window at this point |
| 04:07.27 | JoBbZ | so I think it is likely because skillet that is opening causing prof-it to open |
| 04:07.35 | JoBbZ | so I think this is a side effect of a bug in skillet |
| 04:07.37 | JoBbZ | rather than a bug in prof-it |
| 04:07.49 | Weltmeister | could be how kdtresh hooks the skill screen, or it could be in skillet, or I could be entirely wrong |
| 04:08.07 | kdtresh | prof-it opens on TRADE_SKILL_OPEN |
| 04:08.15 | kdtresh | but it checks to make sure it's not a linked tradeskill |
| 04:08.18 | JoBbZ | which I'm sure skillet fires |
| 04:08.23 | kdtresh | so if you open your tradeskill, prof-it should open |
| 04:08.31 | JoBbZ | yeah, well, skillet opening qualifies, I think |
| 04:09.02 | Weltmeister | with prof-it disabled, does recipe radar open skillet? if so, there's the problem |
| 04:09.30 | Weltmeister | I've only used recipe radar from within atsw/skillet before, and not outside of it, so no experience there |
| 04:10.16 | kdtresh | i have no idea what recipe radar is, so i haven't tested prof-it with anything related to recipe radar |
| 04:10.18 | JoBbZ | interesting... I've never used it from within trade skill windows ;0 |
| 04:10.28 | JoBbZ | recipe radar just tells you what vendors in the zone you are in sell recipes you don't have |
| 04:10.31 | JoBbZ | or your alts don't have |
| 04:10.32 | JoBbZ | etc |
| 04:10.40 | kdtresh | ah |
| 04:10.40 | JoBbZ | it's useful to when low level running around |
| 04:10.49 | kdtresh | kinda like ackis recipe list, but locale-specific? |
| 04:10.55 | JoBbZ | yeah |
| 04:11.04 | JoBbZ | I use ARL to find out what I need later on if I've missed anything |
| 04:11.12 | JoBbZ | but generally any time I go into a new zone, I open up recipe radar |
| 04:11.25 | JoBbZ | so I can see what if anything I need from that zone, either for my current toon or any alts |
| 04:13.53 | kdtresh | well, if you have any problems, let me know |
| 04:14.05 | kdtresh | i can't imagine why prof-it would have an issue, but i'm hardly an expert |
| 04:14.05 | JoBbZ | sure thing :) |
| 04:14.41 | kdtresh | i'll try to get an update out tonight that updates ToC and fixes the vellum cache issue |
| 04:14.41 | JoBbZ | yeah, i'm pretty sure it's skillet that is the culprit |
| 04:14.54 | kdtresh | i didn't know they were pushing 3.3.2 today |
| 05:01.26 | kdtresh | updated: http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/11482/feedback-for-my-addon/ |
| 06:10.14 | JoBbZ | deok cool |
| 06:10.28 | JoBbZ | definitely some way to sort by ROI or profit would be nice |
| 06:10.37 | JoBbZ | so I can find my greatest ROI or greatest profit etc :P |
| 06:10.40 | JoBbZ | more easily |
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| 06:42.32 | kdtresh | JoBbZ: that's what the slider is for |
| 06:42.42 | kdtresh | if you only care about ROI, slide it all the way to the ROI side |
| 06:42.53 | kdtresh | if you care more about net profit, slide it all the way to the profit side |
| 06:43.34 | kdtresh | by default it weights roi and profit 50/50, so it's kind of a balance between the two |
| 06:43.56 | kdtresh | since some high-ROI recipes may have very low net profit, and some high-profit recipes can be very low ROI |
| 06:44.36 | kdtresh | 50/50's just where i stuck it as a default, maybe you can tweak it to find a sweet spot |
| 08:20.35 | JoBbZ | kdtresh: That's not what I mean |
| 08:20.45 | JoBbZ | I'm not talking about hte balance between ROI and profit |
| 08:20.57 | JoBbZ | what I'm talkign about is the say 20+ recipes it shows me give X ROI |
| 08:20.59 | JoBbZ | but they aren't sorted... |
| 08:21.10 | JoBbZ | like recipe#1 is 317%, #2 is 80%, #3 is 127%, etc etc |
| 08:21.20 | JoBbZ | I'd like it, for example to show the highest ROI first, the second highest second, etc |
| 08:21.28 | JoBbZ | so I can quickly see what recipe has the very higest ROI (or profit) |
| 08:21.29 | JoBbZ | etc |
| 08:21.38 | JoBbZ | depending on what result set comes back |
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| 18:48.15 | kdtresh | JoBbZ: http://www.thetresh.net/Prof-It_2010.2.3b.zip |
| 18:50.29 | JoBbZ | got it :) |
| 18:50.40 | JoBbZ | will see if I can test today |
| 18:50.56 | JoBbZ | busy day at work and I have to fly to my HQ later today so I'll be offline until sat :P |
| 18:52.38 | kdtresh | right-clicking recalculate will now clear the snapshot search and requery it |
| 18:53.02 | JoBbZ | cool |
| 18:53.20 | kdtresh | i may be able to check timestamps and have it auto re-query if the current snapshot is newer than the cache |
| 18:53.29 | kdtresh | but i'm not sure how to do that right now, or if it's possible |
| 18:54.03 | kdtresh | ty for the feedback so far ;) |
| 18:58.37 | JoBbZ | you bet :) |
| 18:58.43 | JoBbZ | I like prof-it over lsw so far |
| 18:58.56 | JoBbZ | because it gives me a much clearer picure of where I'll make money |
| 19:03.38 | JoBbZ | now i just need to spend time making money on enchanting :P |
| 19:03.43 | JoBbZ | I've been working hard on leveling it up |
| 19:03.46 | JoBbZ | so spedning lots :P |
| 19:05.57 | kdtresh | i think i need to add an ignore function at some point |
| 19:06.15 | kdtresh | maybe shift click a recipe to ignore it or something |
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| 19:39.17 | JoBbZ | kdtresh: Now when I close my skill window, prof-it goes away |
| 19:39.27 | JoBbZ | that's annoying... I wanted my skill window out of the way, so I could jsut focus on prof-it |
| 19:39.29 | JoBbZ | can you make that an option? |
| 19:40.25 | JoBbZ | I can confirm that at 100% ROI, it appears properly sorted |
| 19:40.48 | JoBbZ | same with 100% profit |
| 19:40.49 | JoBbZ | :) |
| 21:44.35 | kdtresh | 100% both ways was working before, it was just the in-between that was a little skewed |
| 21:45.07 | kdtresh | and by "a little" i mean "totally" |
| 21:45.51 | kdtresh | from the start, i've had it closing when you close your tradeskill window |
| 21:46.22 | kdtresh | i didn't really have the "make" functionality at the start though, so to actually make stuff, you had to use your tradeskill window |
| 21:46.50 | kdtresh | i suppose now you could theoretically just run prof-it without your tradeskill window, if you wanted |
| 21:47.19 | kdtresh | actually, i don't think you can right now, since it scans your window for the recipes |
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| 22:33.13 | JoBbZ | 'k |
| 22:56.13 | kdtresh | you can also restrict the items available to prof-it by minimizing their categories |
| 22:56.23 | kdtresh | if you can't see it in your tradeskill window, prof-it can't see them |
| 22:56.37 | kdtresh | so if you don't care about daggers in blacksmithing, as an example, you can minimize daggers |
| 23:02.22 | Kandoko | What number of sales should be considered when averaging a value for a de mat? last 10 sales? last X days? etc |
| 23:03.48 | Kandoko | Since we can not know what you will sell a item you bought for DE and turned into mats, Im gonna estimate how much profit you will gain by looking at what you have sold the mats it Disenchated into |
| 23:10.09 | kdtresh | it's hard to say |
| 23:10.27 | kdtresh | if you sell it immediately, i'd say current competition would be more valuable than past sales |
| 23:10.44 | Kandoko | FWIW BeanCounter will be tracking what happens to the items you buy and later disenchant. and adding that info as a meta tag to the original item you bought. The data will be.. |
| 23:11.55 | Kandoko | What its DE mat, quantity, and the value of the mat at that time. This will be displayed in place of the reason code, and can be included in profit calculations. |
| 23:12.02 | kdtresh | but i think you'd want to take both into account |
| 23:12.22 | kdtresh | if the market is currently low or saturated, you'd want to hold off |
| 23:12.31 | kdtresh | or, you MAY want to hold off |
| 23:13.37 | Kandoko | kdtresh: I won't be tracking the mat beyond the point its DE'ed I have no clue when or for what you will sell it for. Im just trying to give a estimate on what's its likely to fetch at the time it was created, |
| 23:26.20 | kdtresh | time it's disenchanted or time the item is purchased? |
| 23:26.28 | kdtresh | or do you assume they're roughly the same? |
| 23:27.03 | kdtresh | i'd say current snapshot of competition would be the one to use, if you're looking for value now |
| 23:27.04 | Kandoko | time its DE. as long as it still can be identified in the beancounter DB |
| 23:27.23 | Kandoko | kdtresh: I don't have that info. Your thinking auctioneer. |
| 23:27.31 | kdtresh | ah |
| 23:28.09 | Kandoko | Beancounter is a completely independent progie. like ench and informant. yes it playes very well with auctioneer, but I can't depend on auctioneer being there |
| 23:29.08 | Kandoko | So I can't use market value(thou its one option I considered) Im limited to the historical data inside bean |
| 23:29.20 | kdtresh | what is "last x days" in beancounter? |
| 23:29.39 | kdtresh | prices? sales? |
| 23:29.44 | kdtresh | all of the above? |
| 23:29.57 | Kandoko | last X days of recorded sales. Its what il leaning towards |
| 23:30.15 | Kandoko | Figure 7 or 14 days |
| 23:30.34 | kdtresh | i'd say if that's all you can count on having, that's probably the best you can do |
| 23:30.41 | kdtresh | to give a rough expected value |
| 23:32.06 | kdtresh | on a slightly different topic, if you are trying to determine cost/profit for an item and one of the reagents doesn't have a market value, what would you want done with that item |
| 23:32.27 | kdtresh | mainly, the item hasn't been seen enough to determine the cost, so you can't calculate profit |
| 23:32.36 | kdtresh | should the item just be ignored? |
| 23:33.51 | Kandoko | ick, I think there is another api to get value when market not available. iirc it querys stat simple |
| 23:34.30 | Kandoko | stats simple and histogram are included in the core auctioneer download as well as the suite, but it still could be disabled |
| 23:35.09 | Kandoko | But honelsy safe would just be ignore |
| 23:37.39 | kdtresh | i'm using stats simple |
| 23:37.46 | kdtresh | it just hasn't been seen |
| 23:37.54 | kdtresh | the one i'm looking at is coyote meat, it's not like it's a high dollar item |
| 23:38.18 | kdtresh | but it's just one item, and there may be many others like it |
| 23:38.34 | Kandoko | ah, co your not using AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue |
| 23:38.50 | kdtresh | correct |
| 23:39.10 | kdtresh | i've actually got a dropbox that lets the user pick if they want to use market, 14-day, etc |
| 23:39.18 | Kandoko | but are asking one of the stats, not a clue. report it as a possible profitable item? |
| 23:39.54 | kdtresh | i can set the cost to -1 or something and tell the user it's unknown |
| 23:40.06 | kdtresh | just not sure how to rank it |
| 23:40.25 | kdtresh | it may be a very valuable recipe, if you ever come across the reagent(s) |
| 23:41.06 | kdtresh | but i'd imagine non-soulbound reagents for a valuable item would probably come up on the AH fairly often |
| 23:41.55 | kdtresh | so if an item isn't sold by a vendor and hasn't been seen enough in several months to generate a market value, it's probably not a valuable or profitable item |
| 23:42.43 | kdtresh | so i'm leaning toward just ignoring the recipe, unless you already have the mats for it |
| 23:43.00 | kdtresh | but other opinions are always welcome ;) |