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| 01:08.36 | Weltmeister | cut, there isn't, but if you can make ink of the sea, you can use the ink trader which makes all your glyph inks cost the same |
| 01:13.23 | JoBbZ | is down 600g so far on his enchanter... but I haven't auctioned any of my left over mats yet :P |
| 01:13.46 | JoBbZ | trying to get certain sahrds right now... Don't want ot spend 200g on a stack of them just because I need 6 |
| 01:13.47 | JoBbZ | :P |
| 01:17.21 | JoBbZ | ugh.. I accidently hit hte ignore price button on something |
| 01:17.22 | JoBbZ | no idea what |
| 01:17.26 | JoBbZ | is there any way to see what I've ignored? |
| 01:17.30 | JoBbZ | I was jsut trying to bid on it... |
| 01:17.44 | JoBbZ | but mouse pixel was off just a second |
| 01:17.48 | JoBbZ | a pixel I mean |
| 01:18.11 | Weltmeister | if you reloadui it should be unignored if I'm thinking of the same place you hit ignore |
| 01:18.42 | JoBbZ | ok |
| 01:18.48 | JoBbZ | so it just ignores it until next login? |
| 01:18.49 | JoBbZ | basically |
| 01:19.06 | Weltmeister | if it's a popup confirmation and the one I'm thinking of, yes |
| 01:19.17 | JoBbZ | hm, no popup |
| 01:21.15 | Nechckn | Yeah.. depends which ignore - but the perma-list is in the SearchUI settings |
| 01:21.24 | Nechckn | for the associated Searcheer |
| 01:25.55 | JoBbZ | ok, i'll see if I can find it |
| 01:25.55 | JoBbZ | thanks |
| 01:33.02 | Riorick17 | would that be the item price filter ? |
| 01:36.53 | JoBbZ | I guess |
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| 04:23.18 | Newbie | Hello? |
| 04:23.37 | Nechckn | waves |
| 04:23.59 | Newbie | Hey Nech, I have a question, could you help? |
| 04:24.49 | Newbie | Em... |
| 04:24.50 | Nechckn | depends on the question |
| 04:24.55 | Newbie | Alright. |
| 04:24.57 | Newbie | Well |
| 04:25.02 | Nechckn | so... let us know and we can go from there |
| 04:25.03 | kdtresh | hard to say "yes" to that, lol |
| 04:25.05 | Newbie | I'm assuming you have auctioneer, yeah? |
| 04:25.16 | Newbie | hi Kd. |
| 04:25.19 | Newbie | Anyways. |
| 04:25.52 | Newbie | When using auctioneer, it removes the highlight effect that happens when you mouse over a category in the ah (like armor>leather>wrist, etc) |
| 04:26.00 | Newbie | How could we get the highlight back? |
| 04:26.31 | Nechckn | move over the right side of the name |
| 04:26.57 | Newbie | So like, move to the right side of the word "Armor" ? |
| 04:27.11 | kdtresh | like when you click a category, it highlights blue and extends the category? |
| 04:27.28 | Newbie | Welll |
| 04:27.31 | Nechckn | If you move over the right side of the button it works, but not necessarily when just over the word. |
| 04:27.48 | Newbie | Without auctioneer, when you mouse over (without clicking) a category, it would highlight. Auctioneer removes this I think. |
| 04:27.53 | Newbie | Hmm |
| 04:27.58 | Newbie | I will give this a try. |
| 04:28.05 | kdtresh | i'm looking at it right now and i don't see any highlight on mouseover |
| 04:28.13 | Newbie | Are you using auctioneer? |
| 04:28.14 | kdtresh | it goes blue when i actually select something |
| 04:28.18 | Nechckn | over the right side, dk? |
| 04:28.24 | Nechckn | kdtresh, even.. |
| 04:28.27 | kdtresh | but nothing on mouseover, on any part of the "button" |
| 04:28.41 | Nechckn | doing it right now... works as usual |
| 04:28.54 | Nechckn | On the main list, this is. |
| 04:28.57 | Newbie | Without auctioneer, any mouse over a category would highlight. Auctioneer removes this. I want it back. D; |
| 04:29.08 | Nechckn | Once you get lower, in, you need to click the actual category, though. |
| 04:29.50 | Nechckn | Auctioneer uses that so you can hold Control and select categories to Scan. |
| 04:29.56 | kdtresh | i get no highlights on mouseover anywhere, but it's not something i've been looking for, so i can't say if it's any different than it's been for the past few years |
| 04:30.29 | Newbie | Quick side question, which module/util was it that let us increase the font and ah window? |
| 04:30.40 | Newbie | OH |
| 04:30.41 | Newbie | Duh |
| 04:30.42 | Newbie | Nevermind |
| 04:30.45 | Nechckn | If you move slowly up/down the left side of the main list it works fine. |
| 04:30.57 | Nechckn | At least that is what I'm seeing here |
| 04:32.21 | Nechckn | Once down a category or so, it is touchy, and highlights when you select it. |
| 04:32.46 | Nechckn | So, like Armor or Weapons, mousing over the right end of the "button" you can see the highlight move up/down. |
| 04:33.04 | kdtresh | hmmm, i don't have any other addons that have anything to do with the AH, not sure why my mouseover highlights aren't working |
| 04:33.10 | Nechckn | When you click Armor, you then need to select leather or whatever to get it to highlight. |
| 04:33.17 | kdtresh | but like i said, it's not something i've been looking at, so it may not have changed in the past few years |
| 04:33.34 | kdtresh | may be a quirk with my system |
| 04:38.36 | Nechckn | Well, it won't work if you are above the actual name, but to the right it works as normal, like .25 inch in from the left side of the "category name button" |
| 04:39.13 | Nechckn | Trying to take a screen cap, but everything is removing the mouse, so you can't see it hovering. =( |
| 04:39.39 | kdtresh | i've moved the mouse from the left edge of the auction house frame all the way into the middle of it |
| 04:39.44 | kdtresh | and i get nothing |
| 04:40.05 | Nechckn | not the entire frame, the button that says the main category.. like Armor |
| 04:40.18 | kdtresh | well, that's what i mean |
| 04:40.26 | Nechckn | if you close all the categories, then mouse up/down along it, then it highlights in blue |
| 04:40.38 | kdtresh | i start about a quarter inch to the left of, say, the word armor |
| 04:40.47 | kdtresh | which is actually just a hair off the edge of the AH window |
| 04:40.56 | kdtresh | slowly move the mouse all the way across the armor "button" |
| 04:41.04 | kdtresh | all the way into the results area |
| 04:41.08 | Nechckn | No... quarter inch from the *right* side of the button |
| 04:41.24 | Nechckn | Not hanging outside the whole AH frame =) |
| 04:41.33 | kdtresh | shouldn't matter where i start |
| 04:41.44 | kdtresh | i'm just trying to get a full pass to see if it highlights at any point |
| 04:42.03 | kdtresh | doesn't matter where i start |
| 04:42.31 | Nechckn | If you look at the button/cat name it should be sort of dual colored |
| 04:42.34 | kdtresh | i've gone up and down the whole list on the left side, middle, right side, off both sides, and everywhere in between |
| 04:42.45 | Nechckn | About the center it changes |
| 04:43.10 | Nechckn | From that point, to the right the highlighting works, likely due to the hidden frame. |
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| 04:44.12 | kdtresh | when you are getting the mouseover highlight, can you click and drag the AH frame? |
| 04:44.14 | Nechckn | If you look at the button with the name it goes from dark, where the name is, then has a sort of highlight down the center, then the right side is the same dark again |
| 04:45.20 | kdtresh | mine will drag the AH window around if i click anywhere outside the actual category "button" |
| 04:45.21 | Nechckn | Not the entire AH frame... it only moves if you click and hold up in the top. |
| 04:45.33 | kdtresh | including in the results window |
| 04:45.41 | Nechckn | Yep, same thing |
| 04:46.06 | Nechckn | But... when the category is highlighted from mouseing-over it won't move |
| 04:46.25 | kdtresh | i get the dragging anywhere outside the bottons |
| 04:46.27 | kdtresh | buttons too |
| 04:46.50 | kdtresh | even on the vertical "bar" immediately to the right of the button column |
| 04:46.59 | Nechckn | If it is not highlighted, then it will drag like the rest of the window |
| 04:47.02 | kdtresh | yes |
| 04:47.09 | kdtresh | i'm also using the release version |
| 04:47.19 | kdtresh | maybe svn is different? |
| 04:47.31 | kdtresh | or preview? |
| 04:49.36 | ibkliing | hi all |
| 04:49.46 | ibkliing | long question coming...... |
| 04:49.52 | ibkliing | for disenchant, when buyout searches r listed [bid unchecked], does the profit for each item reflect the buyout amount, or just the item's DE value? [e.g., item buyout=1g, profit listed=1g. after I buy, can I expect 1g profit from the DE value of the item, or was that 1g profit used up in the 1g buyout?] |
| 04:51.15 | kdtresh | ibkliing: my guess would be if you specify minimum profit, it will be the buyout cost compared to the expected disenchant result, and the value of that expected result |
| 04:51.46 | kdtresh | if the expected value of the expected disenchant result is greater than minimum profit, it would show up |
| 04:52.03 | kdtresh | but i don't personally use the DE search, so my word is certainly not gospel |
| 04:52.08 | Nechckn | The places with the blue are where it works when just mousing over http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vcBv7PU/AH_Highlight.JPG |
| 04:52.32 | ibkliing | so ur sayoing that the profit listed in DE searches includes the buyout amount, and the profit i can expect from resale of the DE value is above and beyound the buyout that i spent? |
| 04:52.48 | Nechckn | For D/E it is the projected D/E value of the item |
| 04:52.55 | kdtresh | Nechckn: yeah, i get no highlight when i mouseover that area |
| 04:53.02 | Nechckn | Which can be more or less, depending on yield, ibkliing |
| 04:53.34 | Nechckn | The D/E searcher is the only one that works like that... since it is to find D/E items =) |
| 04:53.46 | ibkliing | kk, i get it, i think |
| 04:53.49 | kdtresh | so if an item has a 75% chance to yield 5 infinite dust and 20% chance to yield 1 greater cosmic essence, it takes the probabilities of those results |
| 04:54.15 | kdtresh | 75% chance of returning the value of 5 dust + 20% chance of the value of 1 essence |
| 04:54.23 | kdtresh | +5% chance of a shard or whatnot |
| 04:54.25 | ibkliing | the DE search profit listed is the expected DE value of the item, and does not include ur buyout in the profit calculation.... |
| 04:54.48 | kdtresh | well, it does include your expense, i believe |
| 04:54.51 | ibkliing | right? |
| 04:54.57 | kdtresh | it says that if you spend, say, 5g on that item |
| 04:55.00 | kdtresh | and disenchant it |
| 04:55.04 | Newbie | Woah, I'm back. Checking highlighting. |
| 04:55.13 | kdtresh | you can sell the mats and still make x profit |
| 04:56.17 | ibkliing | nechckn says the profit listed in the DE search is the projected DE value of the item |
| 04:56.32 | ibkliing | so i sound to me that that means it doesn't include the buyout |
| 04:56.37 | kdtresh | Nechckn, please correct me if i'm wrong here, but i believe the search is... |
| 04:57.08 | kdtresh | if the value of the expected disenchant results from the item is <min profit> greater than the buyout, it shows up in the search |
| 04:57.25 | kdtresh | with <min profit> being the value you set in the searchui for minimum profit |
| 04:57.37 | Nechckn | It's pretty straight forward... Anticipated D/E Amount - price of item and AH fee = profit |
| 04:57.50 | kdtresh | there's no AH fee for enchanting mats, so it's just value vs cost |
| 04:57.54 | Nechckn | right kdtresh |
| 04:58.11 | ibkliing | ive noticed that i take a loss, on avg, when i buy item listed in the DE search with profit values lower than the buyout [for buyout search, bid unchecked] |
| 04:58.16 | Nechckn | There is no listing fee, but they get a cut of the sale |
| 04:58.19 | Newbie | Right, so I'm seeing no highlighting. >___< |
| 04:58.38 | Nechckn | Newbie Even when you click the name? |
| 04:58.54 | kdtresh | ibkliing: do you have "subtract auction fees" checked? |
| 04:59.05 | Nechckn | ibkliing for how long have you been scanning the AH, too? |
| 04:59.08 | ibkliing | let me check |
| 04:59.10 | Newbie | Well yeah, when you click the category it highlights. We used to be able to just hover over the name and it would highlight. I want that back. |
| 04:59.12 | Newbie | Auctioneer removed it. |
| 04:59.37 | ibkliing | nech, ive been searching for about 10days, apoprox |
| 04:59.44 | Nechckn | Well, since it is working here, someone for whom it is not working will need to look at and adjust, if possible. |
| 04:59.48 | kdtresh | ibkliing: and scanning every day? |
| 05:00.06 | Newbie | I'm looking at the files in my dir now. Seeing if there is something wrong. |
| 05:00.08 | Nechckn | You can open a ticket at http://Jira.Norganna.Org and put the ticket under the CompactUI project |
| 05:00.10 | ibkliing | kdtresh, where do i find the 'subtract auction fees' setting? |
| 05:00.17 | Newbie | Everytime I've used auctioneer, it's always been removed. |
| 05:00.24 | Newbie | I will do that. |
| 05:00.32 | kdtresh | ibkliing: in the searchui, disenchant search, it should be the bottom left checkbox |
| 05:00.34 | Nechckn | Newbie you log in with your forum username/password |
| 05:00.43 | Newbie | Guess I gotta' make one. Lol |
| 05:00.50 | kdtresh | so either search tab or right-click the magnifying glass at the top of the AH window |
| 05:00.55 | ibkliing | yes, scanning 2 times/day on avg |
| 05:01.05 | kdtresh | then click on "disenchant" on the left |
| 05:01.20 | ibkliing | kk, checking on that setting, brb |
| 05:01.59 | Newbie | What is the "PCT" in the compact Ui? It's blank for me. |
| 05:02.18 | kdtresh | Newbie: how long have you been scanning, and how often? |
| 05:02.19 | Nechckn | That is still not a lot of data, really. It should be fairly accurate, but can still take a while for your stats to become solid. Be sure to look at the market price of the end-product enchanting materials. Every so often, one can get a bit high, so you will need to manually set it. |
| 05:02.25 | ibkliing | yes, subtract auction fees is checked, i'm pretty sure its a default |
| 05:02.45 | Nechckn | Newbie Once you have been scanning long enough for the data to be produced, it will be filled in. |
| 05:02.50 | Newbie | Ah. |
| 05:03.10 | Nechckn | Until that time, there is nothing from which to obtain a comparison. |
| 05:03.14 | Newbie | Do you know how I could remove the "iLvl" coloumn in CompactUI? |
| 05:03.20 | Nechckn | Usually a couple weeks or so |
| 05:04.26 | ibkliing | kk, so for DE search with bid unchecked, listed profit for each item = expected DE value - listed buyout, right? |
| 05:05.01 | Nechckn | Not at present, Newbie it's one of the many things on the nice to be done some day list. |
| 05:05.16 | Newbie | Hmm |
| 05:05.38 | kdtresh | listed profit should equal expected value of expected DE results - cost - AH fees |
| 05:05.39 | Nechckn | Expected DE value, minus buyout amount minus relisting AH cut = Profit |
| 05:06.26 | Nechckn | Newbie The rest of auctioneer allows you to resize and move columns, but the CompactUI is slightly different, so just has not been done yet. |
| 05:06.48 | ibkliing | but with DE mats, the AH only gets its cut when the mat is sold, right? since no deposit? |
| 05:06.52 | Nechckn | In the mean time, you are more than welcome to dig through the Auc-Util-CompactUI directory and change whatever you like. |
| 05:07.05 | kdtresh | ibkliing: correct, but DE results are not static |
| 05:07.10 | Newbie | Yeah, I'm in the file right now. Messing around. |
| 05:07.12 | ibkliing | kk |
| 05:07.15 | Nechckn | No deposit, correct - but there is a tax when it is sold. |
| 05:07.22 | kdtresh | meaning you may get 4 dust, you may get 1 greater essence, or 2 lesser essence, or 1 dream shard |
| 05:07.28 | kdtresh | or any of the other possibilities for that item |
| 05:07.32 | Nechckn | 10 on faction ah 15 on Blackwater |
| 05:07.33 | kdtresh | and that can greatly change the value |
| 05:08.03 | kdtresh | so it's always possible that you buy something expecting 7 infinite dust and instead get 4 |
| 05:08.27 | Nechckn | With disenchanting... since it is yield based and not exact, you will likely lose money on some items, but on those where you make more, you usually make a killing. |
| 05:08.35 | Nechckn | So, overall, it is more than worth it. |
| 05:08.51 | ibkliing | kk, i think i understand, i was just suspicious cus iot seemed that i took a loss repeatedly on items whose DE profit was listed as lower than the buyout, but i need to recheck my data.... |
| 05:08.53 | kdtresh | i don't use DE searcher, but i trust Nechckn ;) |
| 05:08.55 | Nechckn | But, be certain to check the valuations of the end-product mats |
| 05:09.16 | Nechckn | If one of those is high/low then your expectations could be dashed to pieces. |
| 05:09.42 | kdtresh | it does use your values for the mats, so if your values for, say, infinite dust, are skewed, it will not be correct |
| 05:09.50 | Nechckn | You can set those prices in Appraiser by Alt+Left-clicking the item's link or icon |
| 05:10.07 | kdtresh | if the market price for 5 infinite dust is 10g, but they're only selling for 5g now, it will still use 10g as the value for the searcher |
| 05:10.10 | ibkliing | talking to me? |
| 05:10.12 | kdtresh | unless you set it manually |
| 05:10.21 | ibkliing | kk |
| 05:10.44 | kdtresh | so, as Nechckn said, you need to check the values of the expected mats to make sure your prices are accurate |
| 05:11.05 | Nechckn | yeah... and it is something you always have to keep an eye on - but, after a short time, it should be second nature and not take much time at all. |
| 05:11.16 | kdtresh | if someone is dumping something stacks of a dust for way less than market value, you won't be able to compete with them and still make money, most likely |
| 05:11.33 | Nechckn | That goes for all of Auctioneer, actually... we do quite a bit to ensure that it is very difficult to fool or "poison" but it can happen. |
| 05:11.53 | kdtresh | yeah, it does become second nature |
| 05:12.27 | kdtresh | you'll also probably get into a groove with a few items and/or markets |
| 05:12.27 | ibkliing | kk, thx again for all the help :) |
| 05:15.26 | kdtresh | Nechckn: as an aside, i don't want you to think i've ignored your links to the api wiki on the queryimage stuff, i've just had a lot of stuff going on and haven't had much time to tinker |
| 05:15.47 | Nechckn | lol - it's all good |
| 05:15.48 | kdtresh | hopefully i can get prof-it looking at the image soon |
| 05:16.03 | kdtresh | tomorrow's my last day at my current job, and i've got a week before i start my new one |
| 05:16.03 | Nechckn | That will get you a bit further along, hopefully =) |
| 05:16.12 | kdtresh | maybe i'll find some time next week XD |
| 05:16.20 | Nechckn | Oh, yummy... free vacation! |
| 05:16.28 | kdtresh | well, unpaid, lol |
| 05:16.30 | Nechckn | Well, kind of, sort of. |
| 05:16.44 | kdtresh | going from sysadmin to codemonkey |
| 05:16.53 | kdtresh | which unfortunately means no more wow at work >< |
| 05:16.56 | Nechckn | Eww.. total downhill! |
| 05:17.11 | Nechckn | Well, maybe not. You might just need to get creative. |
| 05:17.18 | kdtresh | well, they changed me to part time at the beginning of december |
| 05:17.27 | kdtresh | so codemonkey > part time sysadmin |
| 05:17.48 | Nechckn | Most of my clients are not connected to the Internet- not on the networks upon which I work, anyway. So there is no chance when on-site. |
| 05:17.58 | Nechckn | Can't even use tether, darnit! |
| 05:18.14 | kdtresh | it's unfortunate, because i liked my job, but part time = no benefits, no sick, no vacation, no holidays |
| 05:18.14 | Nechckn | Ah, good point there |
| 05:18.32 | kdtresh | and i have to punch the time clock, since i'm hourly |
| 05:18.34 | Nechckn | Part time is like... gah... I hate that. |
| 05:18.39 | Nechckn | OMG, no!! |
| 05:18.46 | Nechckn | May as well go flip burgers |
| 05:18.59 | kdtresh | codemonkey comes with a matching 401(k), 5% dev "incentive" bonus, benefits, and all that good stuff |
| 05:19.22 | kdtresh | but no wow at work, lol |
| 05:19.23 | Nechckn | Whoa.. very nice. |
| 05:19.34 | Nechckn | What is this bonus? |
| 05:19.47 | kdtresh | i don't know the details, but apparently i'm eligible |
| 05:19.49 | Nechckn | Do you get like a cut of some sort of sales? |
| 05:19.52 | kdtresh | up to 5% of base salary |
| 05:19.56 | Nechckn | Ah |
| 05:20.01 | Nechckn | Damn, that is not bad, then. |
| 05:20.06 | kdtresh | in addition to the matching 401(k) and stock options |
| 05:20.13 | kdtresh | i think they're 85% of market value |
| 05:20.15 | Nechckn | what sort of dev? |
| 05:20.26 | kdtresh | firmware engineer |
| 05:20.33 | kdtresh | pretty much writing slot machines |
| 05:20.40 | Nechckn | Damn, no joke. |
| 05:20.58 | kdtresh | in nevada, it's hard not to be somehow associated with gambling, lol |
| 05:21.02 | Nechckn | mattbnr actually does something with those, too. |
| 05:21.14 | kdtresh | i'll be contributing to the addiction of senior citizens gambling away their pensions and social security |
| 05:21.17 | Nechckn | he's north of there, somewhere, not sure where, off hand. |
| 05:21.54 | Nechckn | I'll tell you... I went with a friend to Puerto Rico and hung out with MP (from the team) and there all gambling is legal. |
| 05:22.01 | Nechckn | There are some slots that are amazing. |
| 05:22.25 | kdtresh | well, from what i've heard about slot machines so far, i probably won't play them, lol |
| 05:22.45 | kdtresh | i'd much rather go for a poker table, where i'm going against other people |
| 05:22.59 | Nechckn | Well.. anyone smart wouldn't but they are sort of entertaining |
| 05:23.16 | Nechckn | especially like the nickel ones.. you can kill tons o' time on those |
| 05:23.34 | kdtresh | oh, definitely, i can see the draw |
| 05:23.40 | kdtresh | it's not very expensive, and it's entertainment |
| 05:23.49 | kdtresh | probably cheaper than a movie for a few hours |
| 05:23.58 | kdtresh | and you never know, you might hit the jackpot ;) |
| 05:24.33 | Nechckn | exactly |
| 06:06.34 | Riorick17 | why would appraiser still show a market price after /auc clear [itemlink] ? |
| 06:07.17 | kdtresh | have you reloaded ui? |
| 06:07.27 | kdtresh | and/or scanned sine clearing? |
| 06:07.56 | Nechckn | or do you have a manual price set? |
| 06:08.15 | Nechckn | Clearing only clears Auc-Stat files, not Appraiser's manual pricing, which is stored in your Auc profile. |
| 06:08.36 | Nechckn | If you have AucDB active, it, too, can provide a price, since it is not included in the clearing |
| 06:12.21 | Riorick17 | ok, it was aucDB..thanks Nechckn |
| 06:12.44 | Nechckn | Cool, cool.. np |
| 06:13.12 | Riorick17 | btw, Auctioneer is really, really cool |
| 06:14.26 | Nechckn | It takes a bit of reading and stuff, but it is not all that hard to get used to it. Happy you are liking it! |
| 06:16.56 | Riorick17 | what is a good text editer? notepade++ don't like long lines |
| 06:17.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | turn on auto-wrapping |
| 06:17.33 | Nechckn_ATSS | honestly, for Windows, that is like the best around. |
| 06:18.01 | Nechckn_ATSS | OSX, TextWrangler is pretty close... but not quite as refined. |
| 06:18.20 | Weltmeister | vi! :) |
| 06:18.22 | Weltmeister | ducks |
| 06:18.26 | Nechckn_ATSS | Gah... |
| 06:18.37 | Nechckn_ATSS | Only when terming into something |
| 06:18.46 | Nechckn_ATSS | and changing something *tiny* |
| 06:19.05 | Weltmeister | it's all I use :/ |
| 06:20.04 | Nechckn_ATSS | I really don't mind it.. just have sort of warmed up to Notepad++ |
| 06:21.11 | Riorick17 | I dunno, I loaded the scan file in notepad++ and it somehow locked up my system long enough to disconnect wow <shrug> |
| 06:21.34 | Nechckn_ATSS | Which one? Auc-ScanData? |
| 06:21.46 | Riorick17 | yeh |
| 06:21.47 | Nechckn_ATSS | It's likely a ton of MBs |
| 06:23.34 | Riorick17 | yeh, all on one line |
| 06:24.59 | Nechckn_ATSS | You also should only really try to open when wow is closed |
| 06:25.19 | Nechckn_ATSS | Since your opening it while the game is running *could* lead to corruption. |
| 06:27.10 | Riorick17 | ScanData.lua is that the data file ? |
| 06:27.51 | Nechckn_ATSS | Auc-ScanData.lua is all of the recent scan data from any AH you have scanned recently. |
| 06:28.33 | Nechckn_ATSS | The Auc-Stat-<name> files are the actual statistics, though - they get their numbers from the ScanData when it is written after a scan. Step 2/3 of the "scan progress" |
| 06:30.04 | Riorick17 | so "market price" is calculated, not stored ? |
| 06:30.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | correct |
| 06:30.39 | Nechckn_ATSS | on that one - it is just cached and then goes into the ether when you close WoW |
| 06:32.14 | Nechckn_ATSS | http://wiki.norganna.org/Market_Price |
| 06:32.41 | Nechckn_ATSS | That gets the PDF's, when available, from each of the Stat files |
| 06:32.45 | Riorick17 | but I'm always leaving files open in notepad++ and it will say "hey, some program changed this file..you want to reload it? " and I'm like Oh crap ! lol |
| 06:33.10 | Nechckn_ATSS | As long as you have good backups |
| 06:33.44 | Nechckn_ATSS | But, if you open one, run WoW and close it, that isn't really an issue. |
| 06:34.09 | Nechckn_ATSS | If you open one, run wow, save with changes, then close WoW - there could be problems. It's sort of tempermental. |
| 06:34.21 | Nechckn_ATSS | Not to an extreme- just something to keep in mind. |
| 06:34.49 | Riorick17 | lol..yeh..that could be an issue alright...hey, that might be fun to try...wonder what all I could screw up ? |
| 06:37.18 | Riorick17 | but yeh, I read that article...I think it works really well...my problem is I;m just starting out and get some 2000 gold lvl 9 cloth items showing up in my resale sometimes |
| 06:37.39 | Nechckn_ATSS | Oh, yeah.. they're surely out there. |
| 06:40.44 | Riorick17 | so the very fist scan of auctioneer it will look at the auction price of an item (assuming there is only one) AucDB, WOWEcon and calculate from those? |
| 06:41.39 | Nechckn_ATSS | Anything that provides a "stat" input - I don't think WoWEcon is actually taken into MP. |
| 06:41.54 | Nechckn_ATSS | It *may* be, but I can't recall off hand. |
| 06:42.09 | Nechckn_ATSS | YOu would need the wowecon AddOn and have it updated for anything from it, too. |
| 06:42.31 | Riorick17 | I do but I will reserve comment |
| 06:43.15 | Nechckn_ATSS | Well, most find it is way, way off base - but that was when it was popular. Have not even looked them up in forever. |
| 06:43.50 | Riorick17 | it is like wholesale price basically |
| 06:45.29 | Riorick17 | if you could actually obtain from blizzard a list of actual sales from the realms then I think you would have something useful |
| 06:45.52 | Nechckn_ATSS | Oh, sure. and we have tried |
| 06:46.02 | Nechckn_ATSS | But they have never been interested. |
| 06:46.20 | Riorick17 | I would think not |
| 06:46.26 | Nechckn_ATSS | See.. that is part of the theory for AucDB |
| 06:46.45 | Nechckn_ATSS | Not only does it collect pricing, like Auc does, but it also collects real purchases and sales. |
| 06:46.58 | Nechckn_ATSS | So, it's pricing *should* be a bit closer to "real". |
| 06:47.12 | Nechckn_ATSS | That is if there are at least a few folks on a realm using it and updating. |
| 06:47.29 | Riorick17 | AucDB distinguishs between posting and actual sales ? |
| 06:47.34 | Nechckn_ATSS | And.. the initial push was sort of a let down, so it is basically lingering right now. |
| 06:47.52 | Nechckn_ATSS | It does, yes. |
| 06:48.02 | Nechckn_ATSS | It takes both into account when recommending prices |
| 06:48.27 | Nechckn_ATSS | and gives more weight to "actual" sales/purchases than just the AH listing prices |
| 06:49.29 | Riorick17 | wow that cool, I didn't realize that...my problem with AucDB is I can't get realm to work...I set "realm then global" and I get nothng..have to use global...I realize there may not be realm info but I'd like to use it if available |
| 06:49.53 | Nechckn_ATSS | Yep.. hence the lingering part. =) |
| 06:50.05 | Nechckn_ATSS | Up until the 11th, even those would not work. |
| 06:50.31 | Nechckn_ATSS | The format changed, but the actual AddOn has not been, yet - that's my understanding, anyway. |
| 06:50.53 | Nechckn_ATSS | It also missed this past Sunday - the data is all being collected still, but no new base files. |
| 06:51.30 | Nechckn_ATSS | So, hopefully, we can get Ye Upside Down man to kick the server and put in the fix to the AddOn or to the data files/both. |
| 06:51.36 | Nechckn_ATSS | No eta, yet, though. |
| 06:53.11 | Riorick17 | yeh, well I sorta understand with what I've been reading...but AucDB is "da bomb". I think part of the problem is it relys on us dumby's to understand we have to send it updates |
| 06:53.45 | Nechckn_ATSS | Well... if it gets some more traffic, and it has gone up a tiny bit - then it may be worth maintaining. |
| 06:54.16 | Nechckn_ATSS | And, yeah.. it requires effort from those that like it. Not something hurculean, but still some. ;-) |
| 06:54.18 | Nechckn_ATSS | We |
| 06:54.36 | Nechckn_ATSS | will have to see how it goes, then go from there. Really about all we can do at this point. |
| 06:55.39 | Riorick17 | yeh, its depressing though...I hope he keeps it going...would so suck if not |
| 06:56.36 | Nechckn_ATSS | Well, it all comes down to time. If evil r/l gets in the way, and apparently it has - then it waits. |
| 06:57.03 | Nechckn_ATSS | It is handy, though |
| 06:57.43 | Nechckn_ATSS | You could parse the data from BeanCounter and Auctioneer to obtain roughly the same info, but then you would need to graph it with something. |
| 07:05.11 | Riorick17 | the data in the auc-stat-whatever.lua ? |
| 07:07.02 | Nechckn_ATSS | Those and BeanCounter.lua |
| 07:09.28 | Nechckn_ATSS | The one Auc-db.lua is the easiest, though, since it sort of combines them. But, if it is not continued, well, you know. |
| 07:10.59 | Nechckn_ATSS | You could do ScanData, too... but then you are starting from right now. |
| 07:11.13 | Nechckn_ATSS | So, each way likely has benefits. |
| 07:11.39 | Nechckn_ATSS | http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/ScanData helps with defining the file. |
| 07:12.05 | Nechckn_ATSS | The stats are about the same, with some added prices and such, depending on the stat in question. |
| 07:13.20 | Nechckn_ATSS | http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/Auc-DB.lua is for Auc-DB, obviously, but as you can see, roughly the same values throughout. |
| 07:13.35 | Nechckn_ATSS | You would just need to figure out which ones you want and then what to do with them. |
| 07:15.37 | Riorick17 | oh sweet..thanks nechckn |
| 07:18.03 | Riorick17 | I just love this kind of stuff... I am quite nutso |
| 07:18.15 | Nechckn_ATSS | Also... if they have any archived, there used to be a few "programs" that mucked with the data offline on like Curse |
| 07:18.40 | Nechckn_ATSS | You may have some luck at least finding a starting place from one of those - if they are still lingering. |
| 07:18.53 | Nechckn_ATSS | Ohh... one sec, there is that other thing, too. |
| 07:19.20 | Riorick17 | the prolly are, curse and them never delete anything |
| 07:19.33 | Riorick17 | thatnk |
| 07:19.40 | Riorick17 | thank god lol |
| 07:20.10 | Nechckn_ATSS | http://www.mmometrics.org/aucdb2/ to obtain a CSV file of your data If he still has it up, that would get you pretty far. |
| 07:21.08 | Nechckn_ATSS | looks to still be running - give it a try |
| 07:21.16 | Nechckn_ATSS | He used to hang out here, but not so much anymore. |
| 07:21.41 | Nechckn_ATSS | There was that format changed not all too long ago- so it *may* not work, but... keep fingers crossed |
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| 07:33.06 | Nechckn_ATSS | BTW... If no one has seen it yet - http://xkcd.com/ (Hence the Anything To Save Spirit suffix on the name.) |
| 07:34.00 | Nechckn_ATSS | With that... off I go. Have a good one, Riorick17, et al. (yes, and mascondante, too.) |
| 07:34.25 | mascondante | what happened? |
| 07:36.34 | mascondante | Nechckn_ATSS: ah interesting. I've been in an undercutting war sort of been busy =D |
| 07:37.25 | Nechckn_ATSS | Don't even say hi, meany. Anywhoo - POOF! |
| 07:55.43 | mascondante | ZOMG HEYYA Nechckn_ATSS: :-D Soo good to see you xD hmmm I suppose I'm sleep deprived and people are being complete idiots in trade (imagine that) so not totally myself |
| 07:55.46 | mascondante | ~slap nechckn |
| 07:55.47 | purl | ACTION slaps nechckn, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:55.56 | mascondante | ~soothe nechckn |
| 07:55.56 | purl | ACTION exerts a calming influence on nechckn |
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| 16:11.28 | Gymlea | I am a complete newb to MMORPGs, WoW, and Auctioneer. Is the a detailed tutorial on how to use Auctioneer? |
| 16:11.55 | Weltmeister | hello Gymlea |
| 16:12.34 | Gymlea | I wnat Appraiser to show prices paid in the past for an item. It does not even show me what I bought yeaterday, nor what I sold yesterday. How do I get Appraiser to show past data? |
| 16:12.41 | Gymlea | Hi Weltmeister |
| 16:12.57 | Weltmeister | information can be found on the wiki: http://wiki.norganna.org/Auctioneer - there are additional instructions available on other websites, and I think there's even a video floating around on youtube |
| 16:13.47 | Weltmeister | BeanCounter tracks what you personally buy and sell |
| 16:13.52 | Gymlea | If I use two computers (and I do) will the Bean Counter know what happened on both? |
| 16:14.41 | Weltmeister | data isn't shared between computers unless you manually copy the data back and forth, I'll find a forum post that explains it |
| 16:15.45 | Gymlea | Yes I see that. But my problem is I am selling quest items and Appraiser is not finding any information for most of them. It also does not find transactions that I *know* occured yesterday since I was involved. If I buy a "Crafted Solid Shot" and the next day try to auction it, then Appraiser does not know about my purchase yesterday. |
| 16:16.02 | Weltmeister | http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/10462/two-computers-one-account-how-to-synch-database/ http://forums.norganna.org/discussion/9942/synching-auctioneers-db-between-two-computers/ |
| 16:16.21 | Gymlea | Thanks for the addresses!! |
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| 16:17.50 | Weltmeister | There should be in the tooltip a summary of your purchases and sales, but it might need to be enabled (I'm on my first cup of coffee, so my brain hasn't yet kicked in) |
| 16:18.47 | Gymlea | In 25 words or less: What is appraiser doing? Looking at current AH auctions only? |
| 16:19.33 | Weltmeister | Appraiser is looking at the current snapshot of your last AH scan. |
| 16:19.48 | Gymlea | Thanks |
| 16:20.47 | Gymlea | Can I get Appraiser to use a longer baseline? That is look at everything that went thorugh the AH in the last month. |
| 16:22.22 | Weltmeister | as far as what's displayed in the line-item area, no, that's just the current image; as for pricing, the pricing models each handle it in a different way (Market is probably the most common pricing model used) |
| 16:24.56 | Gymlea | OK well Auctioneer is already a big help in Bean Counter. Thanks for the help. I am going to try Gatherer next. |
| 16:26.01 | Gymlea | goodbye |
| 16:26.24 | Weltmeister | have fun! :) |
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| 17:40.24 | Leifarn | Welt? :p |
| 17:41.07 | Leifarn | Oh, sorry. Nevermind |
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| 19:16.49 | Tumle | Hii |
| 19:17.12 | Tumle | is anybody here |
| 19:17.17 | JoBbZ | No |
| 19:17.20 | JoBbZ | No one is here |
| 19:17.24 | JoBbZ | this is all imaginary |
| 19:17.39 | Weltmeister | hello Tumle |
| 19:17.57 | Tumle | Hi - having some issues in Auc |
| 19:18.39 | Tumle | can any help |
| 19:18.47 | JoBbZ | Just ask your question :) |
| 19:19.30 | Tumle | When I update my apraiser - it doesnt update all my stuff - seems like it cant |
| 19:19.51 | Tumle | is this an adjust ? |
| 19:20.24 | Tumle | Keeps saying that the update is several days old |
| 19:20.33 | JoBbZ | Did you do a full scan? |
| 19:20.40 | Tumle | Yes |
| 19:20.52 | Weltmeister | that sounds like it might be AuctioneerDB |
| 19:21.10 | Tumle | But in upraiser it should update to - Like a minute old |
| 19:21.17 | Weltmeister | ah ok |
| 19:21.32 | Tumle | not 26 hour - after update |
| 19:22.08 | Tumle | Ant ideas |
| 19:22.12 | Tumle | Any |
| 19:22.14 | Weltmeister | if it didn't see an item on it's last scan, I believe it will show the last time it saw it and not the last time it didn't see it (if I'm thinking about the correct place; if this doesn't seem like what you're seeing, post a screenshot to http://up.norganna.org/ and give us the resulting URL here) |
| 19:23.24 | Tumle | Well there doesn´t come any foult messages - just seem like upraiser doesnt update all my items - special purple ones |
| 19:23.49 | brykrys | are there any of that item on the auctionhouse when you scan? |
| 19:24.03 | Tumle | Don´t know 8-( |
| 19:25.01 | Tumle | nope |
| 19:25.12 | Tumle | Just testes |
| 19:25.15 | Tumle | tested |
| 19:25.25 | Weltmeister | after a scan, if you select the item in appraiser, it should show you the list of items that your scan found; if there aren't any listed, then the "last seen" timestamp won't be updated |
| 19:25.53 | Tumle | Aha - but that is new ? |
| 19:26.32 | Weltmeister | that behavior has existed for a while now |
| 19:26.37 | Tumle | Has always shown time is 1 minutes old in upraiser |
| 19:27.14 | Tumle | Ohh - just had a version 5 or 6 - just updated |
| 19:27.38 | brykrys | if there are no auctions of that item, it displays the time for the last full scan instead |
| 19:28.05 | brykrys | since it has no record of when that particular item was last seen |
| 19:28.56 | Tumle | Oki Thx for info - nice addon by the way ! What about deck cards - have u any idea why I cant put those on AH |
| 19:29.25 | Weltmeister | you should be able to list those; if you had previously hidden them, you can check "show hidden" to show them |
| 19:30.11 | Tumle | Well I can see them in upraiser - but when i try to put them on AH it says I can´t |
| 19:30.35 | Weltmeister | what is it's exact message? |
| 19:33.20 | Tumle | Wait |
| 19:37.03 | Tumle | I writes can´t sell an item with used charge - it´s a card - which can´t be used - except if u combine 7 of them ? |
| 19:38.18 | Tumle | So Now I have had them for like 6 month - not being able to get rid of them |
| 19:38.21 | brykrys | haven't seen that bug for a while - have you had those cards sitting in you bank for a few months? |
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| 19:38.39 | Tumle | Yes |
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| 19:38.59 | brykrys | it was a Blizzard bug from a few patches ago |
| 19:39.16 | Tumle | So U cant sell them any more |
| 19:39.38 | Tumle | Have like 10 of those |
| 19:40.04 | brykrys | Open a GM ticket, explain what error message you get, and the name of each card with the problem |
| 19:40.24 | Tumle | Can he correct it then ? |
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| 19:41.25 | Weltmeister | he should be able to correct it |
| 19:41.41 | Tumle | Oki thx all - was nice help 8-)) |
| 19:41.43 | brykrys | they should mail you a working copy of the card (and remove the corrupt one from your bag) - may take a bit of time |
| 19:41.56 | Tumle | oki Thx |
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| 21:25.18 | Kandoko | oh, this ice storms gonna be fun I can tell from how my dsl is dropping :P |
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