IRC log for #norganna on 20091213

00:07.16MattBnri have my filtered set at 500
00:07.28MattBnrbut i still only make about 20-30 different glyphs at a time 2 of each
00:08.47Weltmeisterit could be that those are the only ones that are profitable as defined by your configuration (I make 6-20 each of around 50 different glyphs every 2-4 days)
00:09.30MattBnri make glyphs everyday.
00:09.41MattBnrhow should i set up stuff if i want to make the maximum amount every day.
00:09.56MattBnrinstead of making a bunch every 4 days i want to make as many as i can every day.
00:10.01MattBnrit gives me something to do
00:10.18MattBnrbut i have made about 5k in the last 3 days since i found that herb farmer
00:10.30MattBnrim up to almost 9k already from 3k
00:13.19Weltmeistersetting mincraft to 1 would mean that you'd make them more often, but while doing more work (ie more clicks)
00:14.15MattBnryeah
00:14.39MattBnrinstead of stockpiling for 4 days worth i jsut want to make the maximum amount for that days.
00:22.15MattBnrhttp://dominateyourserver.com/2008/12/10/gavin-garretts-auction-house-mastery-guide/ im thinking about buying this for myself for x mas
00:23.59WeltmeisterI bought a gold guide about a month before I bought the game. At the time it was worth it, until about a year later when I discovered all the gold-making blogs.
00:24.31MattBnrblogs? tell me tell me tell me
00:24.38MattBnrwhisper me private chat if you want to
00:24.42MattBnrwave it
00:24.45MattBnremail me
00:24.49MattBnrtext me
00:25.06Weltmeisterhttp://www.wowheadlines.com/ has several of them listed in the Auctionhouse section
00:28.28MattBnrwow too much reading
00:30.04NechcknSome of the guides used to contain our actual wiki articles, no joke.
00:31.22Nechckn* there should be some newer ones for advanced $$, but no one has volunteered; for basic, basics, they still apply though.
00:33.58MattBnrhmm so far i havent read anything useful
00:36.25Weltmeistermake sure to check out the blogrolls on sites that have them
00:38.07MattBnrhttp://anaaliusgoldhunt.blogspot.com/ like these?
00:39.21NechcknMattBnr  Keep in mind they are just blogs, too.... As with just about all of them, there are usually a couple "good" articles, while the rest are just, hmm... how to put it nicely, trash.
00:39.41NechcknBut, while you are posting or something, it cannot hurt to get some ideas
00:39.51MattBnryeah ive read about 10 or so already and they are not helpful at all. jsut people saying " sell epic gems to make money"
00:40.31Nechcknhttp://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2009/12/morons-of-week_12.html is pretty darn awesome.
00:44.21MattBnrha
00:52.33MattBnrhttp://www.skeletonjack.com/2009/12/07/how-to-make-gold-in-wow/
00:57.21MattBnrok well i ahve not found anything worthwhile so im gonan go post some more glyphs
01:26.17^nbotTask 03INF-72 10Hirsute: Move InfData.lua into the Data subdirectory with the other data files for consistency.06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-72 10ccox: Agree, it's trivial. But go ahead and change it if you wish.
01:31.16^nbotImprovement 03IUPD-2 10Hirsute: Change parsing to allow the updater script to parse csv files without choking on quotes, commas, etc. Pull vendorsell (money you get from selling to vendor out)06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/IUPD-2 10
01:39.17^nbotImprovement 03IUPD-2 10Hirsute: Change parsing to allow the updater script to parse csv files without choking on quotes, commas, etc. Pull vendorsell (money you get from selling to vendor out)06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/IUPD-2 10
01:40.17^nbotImprovement 03INF-68 10Hirsute: Change Informant to query GetItemInfo for sell-to-vendor price of an item, rather than pull from our database.06 (04Resolved/Duplicate) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-68 10Hirsute: Duplicate of INF-66
01:42.35CIA-40auctioneer: 03Hirsute * r4579 10Informant/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
01:42.37CIA-40auctioneer: [INF-66] Removes Sell-to-vendor value from Informant, and eliminates any
01:42.39CIA-40auctioneer: reference to a database entry for it, now reliant completely on the game's API
01:42.41CIA-40auctioneer: for this information. Does not change the way informant makes that information
01:42.43CIA-40auctioneer: available to other addons, so no changes to outside addons should be necessary.
01:42.45CIA-40auctioneer: [INF-73] Updates database for 3.3
01:43.16^nbotTask 03INF-73 10Hirsute: Update database for 3.306 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/INF-73 10
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04:14.33Christine_0014Anyone in here?
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04:16.24Christine_0059Hello anyone in here
04:16.36Christine_0059I am trying to report an issue with Auctioneer
04:17.00Christine_0059I am  getting error message from both the Stubby file and Global File
04:18.39HirsuteChristine_0059: copy and paste the error to ... http://norganna.pastey.net
04:18.46HirsuteThen paste the resulting link back here.
04:19.14Christine_0059I am in the process of doing so
04:19.23Christine_0059any idea when gather will be updated?
04:19.39HirsuteGatherer works fine as is, you just need to check "Load Out of Date Addons"
04:19.46Christine_0059I was also wondering if anyone else was having issues with Auctioneer
04:20.10Christine_0059No I am aware that Gather works ok I was just wondering if it will be updated anytime soon
04:20.15HirsuteNo, and it's likely your issues aren't related to Auctioneer, just being reported by our error catcher, but I'll be able to tell you more once I see the error message.
04:20.28HirsuteWhen the dev gets around to it.  There's nothing to update, really.
04:20.31Christine_0059kk do you want me to paste it in here?
04:20.39HirsuteThe link, yes.
04:20.39Kandokono oustanding iissues or errors I know of atm
04:20.41Christine_0059sorry you sound annoyed
04:20.56HirsuteNot annoyed, my apologies, just doing multiple things at once.
04:21.32Kandokocracks whip at Hirsute, work faster
04:21.53Hirsute~lart Kandoko
04:21.53purlslaps Kandoko upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
04:23.22Christine_0059I have over 50 error messages but I am only posting the ones from today
04:23.41Christine_005989 to be exact
04:23.52HirsuteThe one we are *most* interested in is Error ID 1
04:25.17Christine_0059ok well I pasted the 6 to the site but how do I submit them - not to sound like a moron but I don't see any kind of submit button
04:25.44Christine_0059and fyi the reason I thought it was an auctioneer issue is that is says that its occuring in the stubby file
04:26.13HirsuteThere's a "Paste" button under the window you paste into.  Stubby gets blamed for other addons errors a lot.
04:26.31HirsuteIf you've hit the "Paste" button, you should get a new page with a link.  The link is what we need.
04:26.34Christine_0059ahh ok thanks for the info
04:27.04Christine_0059http://norganna.pastey.net/130180-3j7y there u go
04:27.08Christine_0059thanks for all your help
04:27.16Christine_0059hope your work load lightens!!!
04:27.39Christine_0059one other thing
04:28.42Christine_0059I am getting an error message that looks like it is from WOW say that the ...
04:28.54Christine_0059one sec trying to get it to come up so I can quote it right
04:30.42Christine_0059I just got another error message serparate from the one I was trying to quote  here is the link http://norganna.pastey.net/130181-1cpm
04:31.59Christine_0059well shoot I can't seem to get to pop up right this second but the message says something to the effect that the "Money type is not set"
04:33.02HirsuteChristine_0059: Checking
04:33.17Christine_0059kk
04:33.27KandokoYou have some old out of date and looooong removed from service Auctioneer libraries.  Let me find the link
04:33.58HirsuteChristine_0059: Also, what server do you play on?
04:34.09Christine_0059thats odd becuase I just downloaded the newest version of Auctioneer
04:34.17Kandokohttp://Wiki.Norganna.Org/Installing    follow that link. You especially need to remove EnhTooltips.  that was an old library file
04:34.38HirsuteIt's likely you didn't delete the old files before installing the new ones.
04:34.39Christine_0059I play in Lightinghoof
04:34.42KandokoYeah but you have old folders that don't exist in the new zips
04:34.48Christine_0059kk
04:35.06KandokoSo they just stick around in your addons folder :)
04:35.31HirsuteAye, try removing those folders, and then see if the errors go away.
04:35.54HirsuteDefinitely need to remove EnhTool
04:35.59HirsuteTip and BtmScanner
04:36.38HirsuteYou also need to remove the "Auctioneer" folder from your addons folder.  That's a *very* old version of Auctioneer that I'm surprised hasn't given you errors before now.
04:37.02Christine_0059kk would it help at all to have a list of my other addons?
04:37.18HirsuteThat's provided in the error message you posted.
04:37.44Hirsute(lines 22-91, if you look at the page)
04:37.46Christine_0059ahh kk I didn't look at to closely to be honest I hate programing
04:38.01Kandokowow, you still have Auctioneer, v5.0.PRE.2966  auctioneer classic hasn't functioned properly since wow 3.0. It was never ported to be compatible :)
04:38.11Christine_0059I have a degree in webdev but prefer to do networking for the most part
04:38.53Hirsute*nod*
04:39.30KandokoWishes wow could load a zip file. Then we could just leave everything as a single file
04:39.42Christine_0059lol
04:40.17Christine_0059it would be nice if you could include a functionality that would allow the install to remove old folders
04:41.11HirsuteThat'd require distributing an executable file, which we'll never do.
04:42.30Christine_0059kk I removed the old file and now I have reinstalled Auctioneer and I am loading wow
04:42.34Christine_0059thanks for all your help
04:43.40HirsuteNo problem, let us know if you continue to have issues.
04:43.42Christine_0059All error messages appear to be gone THANK YOU
04:43.55Christine_0059will do thanks for the amazing program :)
04:43.58Christine_0059later
04:43.59HirsuteGlad to help, happy auctioneering!
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05:01.44ZnuffHi!
05:02.26HirsuteHi
05:02.29HirsuteWhat's up?
05:02.49ZnuffI've recently reinstalled my Auctioneer
05:03.02Znuffcleaning the settings, too
05:03.16ZnuffAnd now the simple module doesn't display the 3/7/14 days tooltip :-/
05:04.24NechcknClick "Configure" on the Browse or Appraiser frame
05:04.41NechcknSelect Tooltips and then set to your desired look and feel
05:05.24ZnuffI have that set up
05:05.49NechcknNow you will need to scan for over 3 days to see the 3 day average, 7 for 7, et cetera
05:06.07NechcknIf you cleaned everything out, then you are starting from scratch
05:06.22ZnuffOh :-/
05:06.35ZnuffI thought it would just display the prices of the 1st day in all sections
05:07.23NechcknEach statistic is different with how it handles data, as you scan enough to display a certain element, it will display
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05:08.12Christine_0080Sorry to but you again but I am getting one other issue that I wanted to ask about
05:08.56Nechckngo ahead
05:09.07Christine_0080when I use the appraisal tab and I run an update on a specific item it updates but doesn't update the time at the bottom ie it still says greater the 48 hrs
05:09.27Christine_0080and its not on every item only some of them
05:09.51Christine_0080its not impairing the functionality of it just odd
05:11.30Christine_0080I need to step away for a minute brb
05:12.12NechcknChristine_0080 it will update only if there is a new item shown
05:12.35Znuffoh, one more question about using simple+appraiser
05:12.39Nechcknespecially if you are just starting off, then, if there are no other listings right now, then you will see it alot
05:13.06ZnuffIt seems that in appraiser, some items get the correct price from Simple, but some don't
05:13.54NechcknAppraiser's default setting is to use Market Price which is a weighted value
05:14.10ZnuffI've set it to use Simple
05:15.01Nechcknokay.. well, without a screenshot of the item, showing the tooltip, while you hold shift, it is really, really hard to say
05:15.48NechcknWoW intercepts PrintScreen and stores the images under ScreenShots  just find it and upload to http://Up.Norganna.Org and then provide the link it assigns
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05:22.16^nbotBug 03ADV-514 10Hirsute: Print redirection does not default to the default chat frame when the user-selected frame does not exist.06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-514 10
05:22.20^nbotImprovement 03ADV-513 10Hirsute: Change print redirection to operate on frame names rather than index numbers.06 (04In Progress) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-513 10
05:26.34CIA-40auctioneer: 03Hirsute * r4580 10Auc-Advanced/CoreUtil.lua:
05:26.36CIA-40auctioneer: [ADV-513] Changes print redirection to reference frame name rather than frame index.
05:26.38CIA-40auctioneer: [ADV-514] Fixes the code that sets the print frame to the default frame when the user-selected frame does not exist.
05:28.14^nbotPollution 03auctioneer r4580 10Hirsute: Auc-Advanced/CoreUtil.lua has a new global variable: _ at line 140
05:28.17^nbotImprovement 03ADV-513 10Hirsute: Change print redirection to operate on frame names rather than index numbers.06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-513 10
05:28.23^nbotBug 03ADV-514 10Hirsute: Print redirection does not default to the default chat frame when the user-selected frame does not exist.06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/ADV-514 10
05:32.12Christine_0080K back I read what you wrote but that doesn't seem to makes sense
05:32.42Christine_0080When I click on an item and click update it updates the time that it last checked for the item
05:32.54NechcknChristine_0080  you are just starting with the "new" Auctioneer, right?
05:33.04Christine_0080yes
05:33.12NechcknSo, you likely do not have information for many items
05:33.14HirsuteIt updates the time that it last *saw* the item.  If there are no items on the AH, or none that aren't being filtered, I believe it doesn't update the time.
05:33.32NechcknThe date will only increment... there you go, what Hirsute said.  =)
05:33.33HirsuteUnless we've changed that recently, in my absence.
05:33.38Christine_0080but thats the thing
05:33.51Christine_0080it updates the changes in the AH but doesn't update the time
05:34.02NechcknIs there an item currently for sale on the AH?
05:34.06NechcknThat, specific item
05:34.10Christine_0080yes
05:34.24Christine_0080in appraisal I have an item in my bag
05:34.25HirsuteA screen shot might be helpful, in this case.
05:34.37HirsuteChristine_0080: But are any showing on the AH already?
05:34.38Christine_0080ok
05:34.43Christine_0080yes
05:34.56HirsuteOkay, screenshots would be helpful, absolutely.
05:35.02Christine_0080were do u want the screen shot sent o
05:35.13Christine_0080to*
05:35.20Hirsuteupload it to http://up.norganna.org/ then past the resulting link.
05:36.03Hirsutes/past/paste/
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05:42.56HirsuteI hate when I type /quit instead of /leave
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05:54.23frosty1433hi
05:54.45frosty1433anyone alive?
05:54.59NechcknOnly have a moment.. what's up
05:55.24frosty1433any idea how to get in communication with the Gatherer developers?
05:55.41NechcknFor?
05:56.03Nechckn(here is a decent place or the forums, depending on what is up)
05:56.36frosty1433I have made a script to get all quest givers and info from Wowhead, however I'm not very good with Lua
05:56.47frosty1433only php and C++
05:57.21frosty1433I want to possibly partener with one of the developers to create a new feature, or a sub-addon of Gatherer
05:57.50frosty1433basically a copy of Gatherer, but by importing the quests into the database, rather than herbs
05:57.52NechcknGatherer, itself, is very focused on tradeskills
05:58.25frosty1433yes, I know... it is also very efficient at displaying the herbs on map and minimap
05:58.30HirsuteWell, the forums is probably the best place to post about it.  However: 1)The response is likely to be that it's beyond the scope of Gatherer, 2)I'm hoping you've talked with Wowhead first, as scraping Wowhead without their permission is pretty bad form.
05:59.34frosty1433ok, thanks for the information
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06:00.10Znuffwish there was a migrate switch from all addons that do the same thing
06:00.13Znufffor*
06:00.21Znufflike, "migrate from SCT to MSBT"
06:01.15HirsuteWould be nice.
06:02.37Znuffespecially since I configured SCT more than a year ago and I can't remember wich/what goes where :P
08:21.39bleeterwut? gatherer + wowhead quest stuff? someone integrate gatherer, tom tom, lightheaded and tourguide! ;)
09:01.51Znuff?
09:19.41ccoxhe's trying to taunt the natives.
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10:27.41CIA-40auctioneer: 03brykrys * r4581 10Auc-Match-Undercut/Undercut.lua: Completes [UCUT-29] <developer> Undercut's GetMatchArray function now uses serverKey.
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11:31.44SNiLD-which northrend herb is the glyphers "Price of single Nortyhrend herb" refering to?
11:32.16SNiLD-because you get more azure pigment from icethorn than from tiger lily for example
12:11.34ZnuffSNiLD-, not really
12:11.52SNiLD-not really, what?
12:12.06Znuffyou pretty much get the same ammount
12:12.15SNiLD-according to stats you don't
12:12.24SNiLD-you get 300% from icethorn and 250% from tiger lily
12:52.41bleeteri taunted them I did, and they runned away
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15:10.09KandokoSNiLD-:  Its basically whatever price in general it costs you to get the northrend pigments. So that price using the ink trader in dalaran can be calculated
15:12.52MattBnrink trader is the greates tthing ever
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17:29.40WeltmeisterSNiLD-, it uses the results table from the cheaper NR herbs
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17:48.14rosshey guys
17:48.46rossu there?
17:48.47HirsuteHey
17:48.55rossi need a bit of help :/
17:49.17HirsuteWhat's up?
17:49.18rosswith auctioneer ofc.
17:49.31rosswell im trying to use it to make a profit like merchanting you know?
17:49.35rossbuying low selling higher
17:49.37rossprofit
17:49.42HirsuteOkay
17:50.40rosshow do i set it up to show me how much undercut things are and the best prices atm etc
17:52.17HirsuteThe "moving" price in your tooltip will show you what appraiser would post the item for.  To see your competition, just put the item up in the Appraiser frame and look at the competition at the bottom.  Ultimately, reselling (or "flipping" as many people call it) is one of the more difficult ways to consistently make money, and you'll need time scanning, watching the AH, and knowing your market.
17:52.45HirsuteAuctioneer isn't a magic "I Win" button for the AH, it just helps people who are willing to put in the time to more easily know their market and make decisions.
17:54.30rossi didnt understand the first thing u said xD
17:56.06HirsuteYou'll probably find it easier to get help on our forums, then, as you may benefit from the experiences of multiple people.
17:57.32rossok well can you explain what appraiser is
17:57.54HirsuteAppraiser is the frame that Auctioneer creates at the Auction House for posting items in your inventory.
17:58.53rosscan you explain in dummy form please lol
17:59.51HirsuteI'm not sure how to explain it any simpler.  When you open the Auction House after installing Auctioneer, there will be a tab at the bottom of the AH window that says, "Appraiser".  It's what we use to post auctions.
18:00.15rossyeh i can see the tab i just dont understand it
18:00.18rossim on the tab now
18:00.23rossbut i dont know what its used for
18:00.36rossall my bag items are down the left
18:00.50HirsuteSo when you want to put one up for auction, click on it in that list.
18:01.14rossi clicked it
18:01.26rossgot a table of sellers and tha
18:02.09HirsuteIt will show you in the competition pane at the bottom what other auctions of that item were posted last time you scanned the AH, which you can refresh if you haven't scanned for a while.  If you have price matching enabled (there's a checkbox for that), then it will adjust your price according to your Undercut settings, available in the Auctioneer configuration window.
18:02.46HirsuteAgain, however, our forums are probably a good place for you to go, as a lot of this has been discussed there before, and can be found with a search.  I've got to afk for a bit.  Hope that helps get you started.
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