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| 10:45.32 | mithorn | anyone here familiar with Glypher? |
| 10:47.21 | mithorn | guess i'll try back tomorrow, night people :) |
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| 12:55.16 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-235 10Nechckn: Change the last seen notification "Not seen in current scan."06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-235 10Nechckn: Changed tag to 5.3 |
| 12:58.14 | ^nbot | Improvement 03APPR-235 10Nechckn: Change the last seen notification "Not seen in current scan."06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-235 10brykrys: We should indicate how long ago the last scan was, perhap... |
| 12:59.19 | SNiLD- | hmm |
| 12:59.28 | SNiLD- | how long is beancounter supposed to store the data? |
| 13:03.17 | ^nbot | Bug 03APPR-287 10MattBnr: localizer strings are showing in config menus06 (04Resolved/Fixed) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-287 10brykrys: Missing keys added to localizer. Will be included when Co... |
| 13:15.16 | ^nbot | Bug 03APPR-5 10frozndevl: Appraiser Auction Detail should be in a strata above default bars on right06 (04Open) http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-5 10brykrys: Still happens with WoW patch 3.2 and current Dev version ... |
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| 18:46.34 | mithorn | Anyone here familiar with Glypher? |
| 18:47.47 | mithorn | ~aucstuff |
| 18:47.47 | purl | I know about the following topics (type one for more info): ~aucdeletesv, ~auctioneerbeta, ~auctioneersvn, ~auctfaq, ~auctdownload, ~auctinstall, ~auctupdate, ~enxstatus, ~norgjira, ~norgbug <nickname>, ~recruitingdrive, ~transferdata |
| 18:52.35 | mithorn | Been trying to get Glypher working for the past day or 2, latest release of it, with no luck, it appears to be functioning ( scanning and all) but never shows anything after doing a get profitable, If i completely remove a glyph from my bags to where the program can't see it, then and only then will it populate the list with it. |
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| 18:54.08 | mithorn | dubug tooltip works fine, correct versions of LSW and skillet, altoholic seeing all the inventory properly |
| 18:54.40 | Weltmeister | mithorn, can you upload a SS of your configuration? |
| 18:54.59 | mithorn | heya welt :) |
| 18:55.59 | Weltmeister | and maybe include in the screenshot a mouseover of a glyph as well :) |
| 18:56.23 | mithorn | i've tried numerous setting with the expired filter on/off, min stack 10/0, max stack 5/20, prices high/prices low |
| 18:56.49 | mithorn | debug tooltip is looking like it should |
| 18:58.40 | mithorn | wanting to make -17 (0/1*1+.5) <- 14 in bags, 3 on AH, 1 day in sales |
| 18:59.38 | mithorn | I just don't know where the check is failing, since it really don't have any output from the calculations |
| 19:00.10 | Weltmeister | on that one, it's thinking you have more than enough |
| 19:00.28 | mithorn | max stack is set to 20 though |
| 19:00.44 | mithorn | shouldn't it be trying to make 3 more? |
| 19:01.57 | Weltmeister | no, max stack is the maximum you ever want to have on hand; min stock is the minimum you want to have on hand after crafting, but if you don't need to craft any (based on sales and inventory) it won't craft to the minimum (but will do so next time you need to craft that glyph) |
| 19:04.31 | mithorn | so i should be setting min stock to 20 ( i like full stacks), min craft to 1 ( for now), and max stack to say 40, and it should fill up to 20 if i drop below 19, correct |
| 19:06.42 | Weltmeister | it won't take it to 20 until you need to actually craft based upon inventory and sales; this is so that if you have an absolute dog of a glyph it won't keep restocking it to your min stock |
| 19:07.45 | mithorn | i don't have much of a sales history for it to work with, so set the expired filter to 0 |
| 19:09.19 | Weltmeister | if you have very little sales history, set the considered days to a low value at first (maybe 1 if this is your first day in the glyph market) then move it up by a day for each day you're selling until you get it to the value you like (I generally have mine set at 7) |
| 19:10.27 | mithorn | ya, min stock 20, min craft 1, max stack 40, sales 1, expired to 0, scan and run profitable, still nothing |
| 19:11.32 | Weltmeister | a screenshot would be nice if you can provide one - I work better with pictures :) |
| 19:12.06 | mithorn | if i completely remove a glyph, it will queue it up to the corrct amount, but if i make even a single one from that stack, it will no longer try and populate the queue if i clear it |
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| 19:14.53 | Weltmeister | probably because it only wants to stock 1 based upon sales, so if you have 1 in inventory it won't want to make another (and thus won't make your min stock) |
| 19:16.03 | mithorn | most of the settings are pure default for the rest, besides adding in the alt names and adjusting the herb price to 45s |
| 19:16.05 | Weltmeister | minimum stock isn't a hard minimum, but instead it's the minimum to have after crafting |
| 19:16.54 | mithorn | so min stock set to 14 should be telling it to make 13 more if profitable? |
| 19:17.03 | mithorn | if i make a single |
| 19:17.55 | Weltmeister | if profitable _and_ if you need to craft based upon your sales |
| 19:18.28 | mithorn | but settign the exired filter to 0 should turn off the sales filter, doesn't it? |
| 19:18.35 | mithorn | expired* |
| 19:19.38 | Weltmeister | it turns off the expired filter, but your sales history (as limited by the number of days in "considered sales") and your days to stock determine how many you need to craft, and if > 0 then the min stock, min craft, and max stock settings kick in |
| 19:20.14 | Weltmeister | if you have zero sales and zero failures, then the "make new" setting is used for the number to craft |
| 19:21.40 | mithorn | so if i cmpletely wipe out beancounter it should think all are new and then want to craft to max stack size, yes? |
| 19:23.48 | Weltmeister | if you wiped out beancounter's data, it would want to craft the "make new" quantity (which should be >= mincraft, >= minstock, <= maxstock |
| 19:25.19 | mithorn | and if i make 1 and then clear the queue, it will then revert to profitable/sales checking instead when i hit make profitable again? |
| 19:27.29 | Weltmeister | it will consider the glyph to be new until you have at least 1 sale or 1 expired in your BC history; I'm looking at the code now to see if it takes into consideration your inventory when making new |
| 19:27.49 | Weltmeister | ah I see - here's how make new works: |
| 19:28.12 | Weltmeister | 0 sales, 0 expired, _and_ 0 inventory (that's how I prevent making new glyphs twice) |
| 19:29.31 | mithorn | ok, so when i made the one , it takes it out of the make new scenario, gotcha |
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| 19:33.02 | mithorn | sorry, dc'd there |
| 19:35.18 | mithorn | so i'm looking at my Glyph of Seal of Wisdom, shows 4 sales, none failed, sliders set to sales 31, expired to 0, days to 8, min stock 20, min craft 1, max 40 |
| 19:37.07 | mithorn | got 18 in bags/AH debug tooltip reads wanting to make - 17 (4/31*8+.5) |
| 19:37.12 | Weltmeister | 4 sales over 31 days is ~.13 sales/day * 8 days = 1.04, so it should want you to have 1 on hand |
| 19:37.37 | Weltmeister | if you've just started selling glyphs, try setting your considered sales lower |
| 19:39.40 | mithorn | ok, maybe that's where it's messing me up |
| 19:42.07 | mithorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.55 | Weltmeister | it could be - that was the purpose of the "make new" quantity - to give you enough inventory to jump-start your history |
| 19:44.07 | mithorn | ok, i'll give this a spin and see how it goes from there, thanks for your help, the explaination helped alot |
| 19:44.10 | Weltmeister | the considered sales probably shouldn't go as high as 31...when adding configuration I try to make a decent guess at a reasonable range and default |
| 19:44.15 | Weltmeister | you're welcome |
| 19:47.36 | mithorn | now it will only populate the wueue with glyphs it determines need stocking and are profitable, how is profitable calculated? |
| 19:47.48 | mithorn | queue* |
| 19:48.13 | mithorn | it that market price? |
| 19:48.27 | mithorn | sorry, can't type, need coffee :P |
| 19:49.09 | Weltmeister | there's a missing header above the 3 sliders just below the "make new" setting - that header should be "Glyph Value Determination" - those three sliders are for the weights of each pricing method used to determine what a glyph is worth |
| 19:49.59 | Weltmeister | the "current model" slider is whatever pricing model you use for glyphs; the other two are as labeled. |
| 19:52.08 | Weltmeister | once the value of a glyph is determined, the ink and parchment costs are added up, and if the glyph is profitable (ink+parchment+min profit < glyph value) then glypher goes on to determine whether it's a new glyph or if it needs to be made based upon sales history (I'm also lacking coffee) |
| 20:00.00 | mithorn | ok, 2 questions, the first slider "current model", where is that model set, so you can change that model from one to another |
| 20:01.17 | mithorn | you have a min profit in your equation, where can we set that, either to a hard number, or a percentage over material cost? |
| 20:02.48 | Weltmeister | that's set in appraiser, either for each glyph individually, or you can set your default pricing model in appraiser's configuration to Glypher and your alternate pricing model to the one you normally use (probably market) - the glypher pricing model will only be used on glyphs, and everything else will get the alternate pricing model |
| 20:03.08 | Weltmeister | that's the first configuration in glypher - Minimum profit |
| 20:03.31 | mithorn | sorry 3rd question, is there any way to see the calculation that glypher made regarding profitability? |
| 20:04.28 | Weltmeister | I don't have that in the tooltip (yet - I am planning on breaking a bunch of the logic out into their own functions so I can greatly expand the data available in the tooltip for debugging/informational purposes) |
| 20:05.20 | mithorn | that would be awesome |
| 20:07.19 | Weltmeister | and looking at the code, it appears that the "Profit" column actually displays the profit, so once a glyph is there ready for queue, it's what glypher thinks the profit on the item will be |
| 20:07.48 | mithorn | i don't mind it not queueing up a glyph to make it based on sales/values if the program determines that's best, but I def would like to know the why behind that decision, ya know. |
| 20:08.43 | Weltmeister | indeed - the bottom two lines in the tooltip now are the result of me figuring out why I was constantly making too many glyphs, found the bug in the logic and fixed it :) |
| 20:09.11 | mithorn | i'm more concerned with the ones it's not queueing up, so I know if I need to move the market up, post less of certain glyphs, etc |
| 20:13.26 | mithorn | the whole problem with tryingto determine any kind of price for glyphs are thier extremely low manufacturing costs, and sever market volatility, my server prices go from 40g+ to 3g in hours, and will stay there for weeks depending on who is trying to crash the market this week |
| 20:15.06 | Weltmeister | right, which is why instead of trying to figure it out myself, I put the three sliders in (and from reviewing the code, I also see that if the competition is lower than the value as determined by the weighted data, that the value is set to that lowest competitor....I don't have enough coffee in me to decide if that's really desirable behavior) |
| 20:16.17 | Weltmeister | my thinking was probably that it was a fail-safe in case someone was crashing the market, or dumping a particular glyph |
| 20:17.46 | mithorn | sadly both are a part of life in glyphs |
| 20:18.26 | Weltmeister | indeed |
| 20:19.58 | mithorn | Does beancounter record cancelled auctions as expired? |
| 20:20.05 | Weltmeister | no |
| 20:20.14 | mithorn | thank god |
| 20:20.52 | mithorn | my typical cancel/relist cycles would blow it up |
| 20:51.57 | mithorn | bye all, and thanks for all the help Welt |
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| 21:25.42 | mascondante | Weltmeister my hero what's up |
| 21:26.04 | Weltmeister | not much mascondante |
| 21:26.32 | mascondante | hey glypher is really starting to be pretty slick btw |
| 21:27.02 | Weltmeister | thank you |
| 21:27.09 | mascondante | yw :-) |
| 21:27.51 | mascondante | only problem I'm having is this dude with no life keeps cancelling his auctions and undercutting me. He gets on his bank alt like once every 8 hrs. It's destroying my sales x_x |
| 21:28.48 | mascondante | if he had only like a few of everything I wouldn't mind. both our stuff would sell. But he keeps a min stock of 10 |
| 21:30.03 | mascondante | I don't want to be on WoW all day and night lol I got school and a girlfriend that need my attention. I wonder if there's some way to set up a rotating thing where I kept my stuff spread out enough where I'd still pull decent. This guy's really starting to be a pain in my ass |
| 21:31.03 | mascondante | I hear there's at least one superpower on every server. You had any similar experiences weltmeister? |
| 21:32.00 | Weltmeister | I have a lot of competitors who cancel/undercut regularly, but most of them have cut way back after I dropped my max price to 8g and my min to 2g-ish |
| 21:32.39 | mascondante | oh you sort of play cutthroat? |
| 21:33.08 | Weltmeister | yes, to drive them away, or to at least discourage them from camping the ah |
| 21:34.23 | mascondante | that's a good idea. I just dumped all my gold into a chopper (biggest reason I'm so happy with your work, It would have took me way longer to get that kind of gold without glypher) so I'm gonna have to take it for a little while until I get my buffer up a bit |
| 21:35.30 | mascondante | Have you played with darkmoon cards long enough to see if the return rate is worth the investment? |
| 21:35.57 | mascondante | Sometimes I do fantastic, sometimes I don't get crap. I haven't figured out if I'm still comin out with a profit or not. |
| 21:36.10 | Weltmeister | I haven't started selling trinkets yet, but have around 50 decks built so far for a friend who is going for insane to turn in tomorrow |
| 21:37.24 | mascondante | ah. I have gotten up to 600g a card so... maybe it'll work for u too ;-) |
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| 22:02.50 | MattBnr | my cards sell pretty well. it seems to at least even out since my primal lifes are about 20g a piece |
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| 23:45.19 | SNiLD- | my old server used to be great regarding the cards |
| 23:45.27 | SNiLD- | lives cost ~7g/each |
| 23:45.36 | SNiLD- | and nobles decks sold for 8kg+ |
| 23:46.21 | SNiLD- | but this server that i'm on now has lives at 20g+ and cards are around 200g/each and i saw nobles deck at 5kg |
| 23:46.40 | SNiLD- | dunno if the patches have introduced more interesting trinkets for people or if it's just the server |
| 23:47.06 | SNiLD- | but enchants and enchanting mats sell on that server like mad |
| 23:47.42 | SNiLD- | also twink item sales seem to be nonexistant there :/ |
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